SoberNotMature - Episode 238 (Dude-lusional Mer-cows)

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Bill
All right, everyone. Welcome once again to another episode of the award-winning... And guest list.

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Mike
Yes.

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Bill
podcast sober not mature yeah so so we're supposed to have um alex from the alex and daphne promotion all week and um i don't know for whatever reason who knows maybe maybe he got the uh the time wrong but if um if somebody shows up it's going to be alex and maybe rather than 7 p .m eastern time because we anyone who's listened for a minute knows that we go by mike's time because he's he's more important than anyone else

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Mike
mm-hmm

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Mike
That's right. Well, it's it's real time.

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Bill
i I know. You know, let's since we have the time, go explain to people again what what real time is, why you call it real time.

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Mike
Well, I mean, because it's real time. it's It's where New York City is.

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
It's where Washington, D .C. is.

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
It's it's where Detroit, Michigan is.

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Bill
ah

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Mike
it's where it's real fucking time the center of the world you know the the places of power and on this entire planet fall in eastern time so it's real time

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Bill
Okay.

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Bill
Okay. Okay. And I mean, it's fine. And you you' said that ever since we we've known each other.

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Mike
yeah

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Bill
and And I do. I fuck with you every once in a while about it.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
But but literally, when when Mike and I schedule these things, it just it's been a given now. We we deal with everything with with guests and everything like that.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
um Everyone we deal with on on Eastern Time.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
And, you know, what Mike always says, I'll see you at 7.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
Whether I'm sitting in, it doesn't matter what time zone I'm in. well Let's see what's up.

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Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

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Bill
literally ran the podcast off of real time, quote unquote.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
you know, since day fucking one and it's fine. you know i just Every once in a while, just in case people don't understand what real time is, I just want to i want to let them into the delusion that I have to deal with.

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Mike
That's right.

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Mike
Well. Hehehehehehehehehehe

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Bill
on ah on a regular basis

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Mike
delusional personality that you have to deal with every week.

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Bill
Yeah, yeah. what's ah you know the The guy I the guy call my friend and my brother and you know I love dearly.

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Mike
That's right. Mhm.

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Bill
So you know it is it is what it is. I'm sure if that's if that's the worst thing that I got to deal with, with you or anyone else in my life.

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Mike
the <unk> Right.

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Bill
i'd be like jesus christ the dude just all he ever does is talk about real time i can't i can't handle it

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Mike
That's right. and

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Bill
hey

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Mike
if that's all i inflict on the general public anymore i'm doing pretty fucking good

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Bill
Yeah, really. And on the flip side, if if that is all it it would take for me to lose my fucking mind. yeah there's there's something else wrong There's something else wrong, which, you know, there might be anyhow, but.

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Mike
Right. i yeah Right.

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Bill
but So so what one way or the other, if ah if Alex does end up showing up, you know More power to him. We'll we'll figure him in.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
web We don't care. We'll we'll stop talking and ah bring him into the fold if ah if he ends up showing up. If not, then we'll figure it out. and Maybe he'll show up in the future and maybe he won't. so It is what it is.

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Mike
Right. Yeah.

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Bill
so

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Mike
We got fucking ghosted man.

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Bill
Yeah, man. And you know what? It's okay because, you know what?

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
It'd be a different story if we weren't award-winning. We might take that, you know, I mean.

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Mike
Right. Mmm.

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Bill
So basically, what we can the way we can look at this, Mike, is that...

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Mike
Yes.

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Bill
It's somebody else has lost, not ours.

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Mike
That's right.

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Bill
Look at us.

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Mike
All right. Goddamn. Shining beacons of something or other.

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Bill
Just look at the award on the wall. It plastered all over the interwebs now.

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Mike
Yes. Mm hmm.

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Bill
We are. yeah i'm i'm going fucking nuts i'm redoing images now and saying i just would chat gpt i'm just like

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Mike
That's right.

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Bill
Add the logo to this one. add the podcast logo to this one And so it does, it's like putting it strategically like back in the corner in a picture frame and stuff in some of these pictures, and which is what I want.

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Mike
Right. hehehehehehehehe

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Mike
think Right.

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Bill
I don't want it to, I don't i want it to be. I do want it to be subtle, but I want it to be there. i mean it's you know, we fucking earned it, right? You know?

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Mike
absolutelys Well, I guess.

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Bill
Well, one one where, okay, what? Okay, well, wait we know about the – I apologize. Let me step back.

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Mike
Hehehehe.

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Bill
Somehow, someway, because we know how we are with the word earned.

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Mike
Yes. Mm hmm.

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Bill
Okay. We did. What we did. Hmm?

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Mike
Yep.

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Bill
We do what we do.

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Mike
Yep. Exactly.

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Bill
We are who we are.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
And our peers recognized us for it.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
And then they decided to give us something shiny.

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Mike
Yes they did.

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Bill
So...

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Mike
Fucking drunks and junkies.

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Bill
yeah so i don't know if we earned it we just but but worst case scenario we had we had no fucking idea we were fucking clueless we weren't trying to bow down to the man or whoever whoever the man or the woman or the thing out there and

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Mike
Hehehehe. That's right.

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Bill
And we still got got placed with something shiny. So it is what it is.

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Mike
We did.

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Bill
Alright.

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Mike
Yes.

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Bill
So um I've got stuff. You just went and grabbed your books. I think you're going to spin that wheel.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
and dick a dick a dick a dick dick

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Mike
I am, mad yeah, I don't even know, what I grabbed like three books because I just reached into my drawer, not plural, just singular, drawer, and grabbed my books.

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Bill
Mmm.

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Mike
So, uh... I didn't want that. one um you know what I am going to open up and probably read one that we've read before but I don't fucking care because

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Bill
God grant me.

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Mike
Uh, yeah.

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Bill
Cool.

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Mike
Yeah, because I've got, as Bill sees it too, but I got to dig a little bit with those because sometimes they're really short. and sometimes they're just like you know a paragraph out of the big book, and which would be fine, I suppose.

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Mike
but yeah So I'm going to grab one of my dog-eared pages here.

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Bill
Let's do.

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Mike
and Oh, hey, look at that. One of my favorite authors is the quote. So what the fuck? We'll do this one. And like I said, we've probably done it before because I think I've shared all of the dog-eared pages in the book that I used to use for group.

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Bill
ah

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Mike
But what the fuck? And I have no idea what it is. I just saw the... quote the that it's attributed to C .S. Lewis. I grew up reading the Chronicles of Narnia. Loved those books. um Actually, my first... sort of almost real band, kind of, not really, but kind of, was called Aslan.

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Mike
um Yes, we were a Christian rock band. That's right.

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Bill
Oh God.

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Mike
But we did play Black Sabbath War Pigs in the church sanctuary one time. So there you go. That's how Christian we were.

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Bill
What's Huey Lewis there saying? I don't know. where Your music is just too darn loud.

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Mike
Hey.

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Mike
Probably was. he he he he.

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Bill
Yeah.

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Mike
so this is ah April 24th.

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Bill
Okay.

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Mike
Again, I haven't even looked at the quote yet. So here we go.

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Bill
Okay.

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Mike
April 24th. The more you obey your conscience, the more it will demand of you. CS Lewis. Conscience is our higher power working to steer us towards our authentic life.

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Mike
It has great gifts to give us. but it asks us that we not just live by principles, but that we become these principles. Conscious makes us responsible for bringing life. through action to spiritual principles.

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Mike
Ciao. We are to act respectfully to be respectable. We are to treat others with dignity and to live with dignity. By living according to spiritual principles, we experience transformation.

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Mike
Ciao. Ours is a program of transformation. All we need to do is look around the recovery rooms to see it. We are the soil, and the spiritual principles are the seeds.

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Mike
as these seeds grow into beautiful trees we must nurture them and give them what is needed for their growth this means placing principles before personality if we do this we will receive abundance Prayer for the day. Higher power. I pray for conscious contact.

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Mike
Help me to listen to your sweet whisper, and then give me the power and willingness to obey your wishes. today's action Damn actions. That's why. i didn't want to grab this book. Today, during my daily meditation, I will work to listen for the voice of my conscience. I will then do what it asks of me.

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Bill
h So, yeah, that is something that we've been, I don't want to say missing. I don't know if I've been missing work, Bob.

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Mike
Mmm. Mm hmm.

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Bill
But we have been lacking in the in the action statement.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
So what was that again?

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
Listen to our conscience and then do what it says? is that

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Mike
yeah During our daily meditation, I will work to listen for the voice of my conscience, then I will do what it asks of me.

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Bill
Okay, so... We've already been really, really open and and honest about the fact that you and I don't sit around with incense and cross legs and, you know.

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Mike
Uh huh.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
Chanting om. We don't do that kind of meditation, but...

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Mike
Nope. We do not.

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Bill
Every morning we do some readings for books like that, along with a couple other ones, and that's kind of our meditation.

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Mike
Mm-hmm. Right? Mm hmm.

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Bill
So so let's start there.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
i mean is If you hear something or, you know, maybe even this morning, whatever the case is, do you ever act on that right away?

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Mike
Mhm.

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Bill
Do you think about that right away that this is something I've got to do today or or how do you handle that?

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Mike
Mm. Yeah. um Yeah, pretty much that, you know, and something. Yeah.

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Bill
hey

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Mike
You know, I mean, I'll read something and, you know, again, yeah other people's thoughts, good thoughts and roll them around in my head. um And yeah, you know, the rolling around in my head part is the.

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Bill
Right. Right.

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Mike
taking these good thoughts, rolling them around in my head. and And yes, I say it kind of flippantly, but that's what I do. and um yeah you know so i'll i'll come across a a good thought a good whatever um and

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
i will I will dwell on it a little and go, yeah, I should probably ah steer myself in that direction today. um and And, you know...

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
and the Not always. you know, full disclosure, not always, but sometimes um it will pop into my head later in the day and I'll go, oh yeah, you know, whatever. I'll notice whatever situation I'm in that pertains to that particular thought in the morning and I'll go, ah, yeah, I should probably.

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Mike
steer myself in this direction because that's and and you know i feel pretty decent about it when i do and you know god knows that's all i'm trying to do is make myself feel good still

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Bill
hu

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Bill
Right.

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Bill
Right. Right.

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Mike
Yeah, just in a better way and more constructive. and yeah way. um But yes, so. Yes, to answer your question, I do. I do.

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Mike
How about you, Bill?

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Bill
well Well, Mike, thanks for asking.

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Mike
Hmm.

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Bill
Yeah. But, yeah, I like how you said that.

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Mike
Oh.

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Bill
you know like doing things in a more constructive way and making yourself feel better in a more constructive way, you know, without chemicals, you know, this time.

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Mike
Yeah. Mhm. Yep.

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Bill
so You know, the the thing of it is, i'm I'm going to say, I know I do, but... completely, 100 % and utterly unconsciously. you know, I do that because the The funniest part, even in between the time that I do my reading and I and i post whatever reading it is on on Instagram, if it's if I pick one out of my four readings that I do.

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Mike
Right.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Mike
Mhm.

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Bill
and post that on there. it's a matter of It's a matter of five minutes at the absolute most.

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Mike
Right?

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Bill
you know if i if i have to you know spin through my my previous readings through like my pictures and my photos and stuff like that on my phone i mean it's a matter of minutes of course as i'm posting it I just read the damn thing.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Mike
Mhm.

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Bill
but Um,

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Mike
Sure.

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Bill
Not that I don't remember it. you know at at the time I be doing that five minutes, but I did, I focus on it to begin with right away when I read it, you know, and it does, it makes me think and and reflect and that sort of thing in that moment.

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Mike
Mm-hmm. Mmm.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
And here's the unconscious part. is i Once again, I know for a fact that All of these things that... That we've been reading over the years, you know, the 24 hour book, the God grant me, you've been reading it longer than I have, but still, we've both been reading it for a long fucking time.

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Mike
m Right.

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Bill
Keep it simple. I've read now for a long time, handful of years, at least even touchstones. Now, I think I might be in my second year through that, maybe even longer.

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Mike
okay

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Bill
I don't remember now, but. you know the The more and more I read these things and as they come around, especially 24-hour book and God grant me. As I'm reading them, I'm likes like, oh yeah, this this one again.

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Bill
you know

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Mike
Right. Oh yeah.

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Bill
So I know that it's there. And I know that some of these thoughts that I have throughout the days and weeks and months have everything to do with those readings.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
So I know it's... it's The whole point is it's planting seeds in my head to do these things, but I don't necessarily think that, okay, I read today that I i need to have, you know, that part of my conscious is my higher power.

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Mike
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Mike
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Bill
I'm going to focus on that, write it down. And as I walk out into the world, world.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
My conscience is my higher power. Blah, blah, blah.

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Mike
That's right.

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Bill
you know Those are my marching orders for the day.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
I don't necessarily do that.

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Mike
Well, absolutely not.

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Bill
But, um yeah, I'll tell you, even when, like I said, when I left. um Where was it when I left? Uh... Nashville or wherever the fuck it was Clarksville and went out to Texas that, that morning.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
And, you know, and I literally, I got up at, you know, it's. fucking 10 o 'clock at night or whatever time it was.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
And I sat down and I'm like, I have to read something.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
you know but it's still but it's still today how can i read something Can I read something else?

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Mike
Mm-hmm

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
So I just reread my readings, you know, and I just sat down and I had to.

00:13:09.71
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

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Bill
So this is the the really, really good habits that we get into. Even if it's repetitive, that's... easily what we need right i mean i know i do

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Mike
Oh yeah. Yeah. yeah it's Fucking ritual, man. You know, I mean, you know, I mean, for, you know, for you, you know, cracking that seal on the bottle, that was fucking, you know, putting some ice in a glass and blah, blah, blah.

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
You know, of you know, heroin acts. Jesus Christ, man. There's a whole fucking ritual going on with that. um

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
yeah you know it's we we love our rituals um so we just yeah we learned early on i mean that was one of the One of the first lessons that I know that I learned was, yeah, okay, asswipe, you're going to have some rituals still.

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Mike
um We're going to give you better ones. You know, that was one of the things the Keating Center gave us.

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Bill
Mhm.

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Mike
You know, the readings in the morning, the making the bed, all that. You know, it's, yeah. um You know, cleaning up after yourself. These are all rituals, you know. I, that I use every day, you know, multiple times a day, you know, that the whole, the whole wiping the sink down after I use it.

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Bill
Right.

00:14:17.34
Mike
um Yeah. You know, shit, man. I, I. i washed a spoon and then i wiped the sink down and then i filled my water bottle up and i wiped the sink down and then i washed my dish from you know my plate from my pizza and then i wiped the sink down i mean i fucking yeah right that was like you know three or four times fucking after i got off work since i've been home for the last hour and a half

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Bill
Right.

00:14:40.55
Mike
you know But again, you know you walk into my kitchen and, then hey, my sink's nice and clean and wiped down and looks like you know somebody who gives a fuck lives here.

00:14:48.85
Bill
Right.

00:14:49.63
Mike
So there you go. Rituals, man. um Absolutely. They're important. They still are. And, you know, we just have to replace them with with good ones.

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Bill
Right. Yeah. And I mean, I do the same thing. I mean, when I when I sit down and and do my readings, I, you know, I do it the same way every every morning.

00:15:06.66
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:15:07.34
Bill
And I would rather if I have to, I'm on some place where I have to sit at the on the edge of a bed and do it.

00:15:08.19
Mike
Yep.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
I will. But I'm like, I don't that's not I want to sit down. I want to be at a table. I want to, you know, prop my thing up.

00:15:16.78
Mike
Right.

00:15:17.56
Bill
I want to be here and I want to relax and. you know kind of do my thing and that's that's what i do and um you know, but the same thing that you know it's it's the readings and at the same time i do my prayers at the same point with my readings and then after i'm done with my readings is what i mean now that i do the walking you know i go do my first

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Mike
Mm hmm.

00:15:36.56
Bill
walk wherever it is inside or outside then i come back and i do a couple other things that's when i do my social media stuff and i do another walk and then i take a shower and then i do another walk and then but it's my entire my entire life is ritualistic

00:15:38.63
Mike
Mm-hmm

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Mike
Right.

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Mike
Yeah.

00:15:48.85
Bill
you know and it's Well, you remember years ago, when i and I think he brought it up on here the one time, that... you know, pick and save the grocery store used to go to, you know, I just, every, every Saturday I'd go, I go meet Derek for lunch, nine times out of 10, do this, do that, go to this store, go to that store, pick and save was always the last door.

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Mike
Mm-hmm

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Mike
Right?

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Bill
And then it'd usually be, apparently it was around whatever it was, two o 'clock, you know, by the time I'd get there.

00:16:08.88
Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
And, you know, this, the same person that was at the meat counter. you know I walked up and she's like, hey, you know how are you doing? She goes, do you want the same thing type of thing?

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Mike
Right?

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Bill
It's either be chicken or I get hamburgers or whatever.

00:16:20.28
Mike
mm-hmm

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Bill
And the one time she walked out, she's just like, oh, she like must be two o 'clock. And I looked and it's.

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Mike
Hehehehehehe.

00:16:25.51
Bill
You know, it was either a few minutes before or a few minutes after.

00:16:27.50
Mike
Right?

00:16:27.55
Bill
I'm like. I'm like Yeah.

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Mike
Yeah.

00:16:29.47
Bill
And she's like, well, you're. you're here every week at two o 'clock within within 10 minutes you know before or after i'm like

00:16:32.24
Mike
Well. Mm-hmm

00:16:35.43
Bill
Really?

00:16:36.28
Mike
Hehehehe.

00:16:37.09
Bill
I'm And once again, it just, I what head i was not trying, you know.

00:16:40.73
Mike
yeah exactly yeah but that's that's kind of what this shit has done to us man it's made this predictable and and uh consistent and you know reliable right you know even if it's it's bullshit showing up at the same place same time yeah every week you know it's yes we're you know if we're not people go what the fuck

00:16:45.42
Bill
Right.

00:16:52.43
Bill
Right.

00:17:03.58
Bill
Right.

00:17:03.71
Mike
Because we are, we are, we're consistent. We're reliable. We're, oh God, you know, when, again, when did I become the adult in the room? Um,

00:17:12.11
Bill
Right, right.

00:17:12.71
Mike
But... But just that's what happens when we... we make these good rituals and we listen to our conscience and we let us lead us and you know principles the spiritual principles guide our lives not our fucking emotions and and our wants and our needs and river now right you know something a big grander than our own little

00:17:34.50
Mike
puny existence runs the shit now and uh yeah you know again it makes us fucking reliable and people can count on us and fuck man even if Even if it's the girl at the meat counter.

00:17:45.61
Bill
Right?

00:17:48.45
Bill
Hehehe.

00:17:48.37
Mike
The Meat Girl.

00:17:50.08
Bill
Yeah. Yeah, man.

00:17:50.03
Mike
easy

00:17:51.48
Bill
Hey.

00:17:52.55
Mike
Hey.

00:17:52.70
Bill
oh Yeah, it it it it is. It's it's you know it's fucking weird. and Well, and i'll I'll tell you. Now I get. time to talk about it, but I told you before, I i called up i called off today, which was, you know, i was I was unreliable for the first time literally since I've been sober, but I'll talk about that a little bit later maybe.

00:18:00.11
Mike
Yes. Yes.

00:18:07.75
Mike
mm-hmm

00:18:08.59
Bill
um you know but i But I did it on purpose. I had a reason. I wasn't trying to you know wasn't drunk and I wasn't hungover and I wasn't you know fucking off.

00:18:11.60
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

00:18:14.82
Bill
I actually had some shit I wanted to get done.

00:18:15.52
Mike
Yeah.

00:18:16.77
Bill
but

00:18:17.26
Mike
Yeah.

00:18:18.04
Bill
mild irritant that I could talk about also, but so

00:18:20.54
Mike
Yes.

00:18:21.35
Bill
But exactly what you just said, and that's one of the things I wrote down. It makes us responsible through action.

00:18:25.31
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:18:26.32
Bill
That was one of the lines and in the reading.

00:18:26.34
Mike
Yep.

00:18:29.01
Bill
And then I've got live in.

00:18:28.47
Mike
Yep.

00:18:31.29
Bill
Live and treat with dignity. I don't know what when I was scribbling down, but there's something we've got to do with treat with dignity.

00:18:33.99
Mike
Hey.

00:18:37.12
Bill
I know that much.

00:18:37.75
Mike
Right.

00:18:38.95
Bill
It was like something.

00:18:39.04
Mike
Yeah, well, I believe it was treat others with dignity and and then we're... like dignified ourselves.

00:18:45.30
Bill
Right.

00:18:45.74
Mike
you know something like that or can i can i say it with a straight face we're dignified now Um,

00:18:47.37
Bill
Yeah. some of Some of those words.

00:18:52.29
Bill
Right, yeah, exactly

00:18:53.14
Mike
um but yeah you know exactly um yeah you know we treat What the fuck? ah i mean Principles, blah, blah, blah.

00:19:04.06
Mike
Treat others with dignity.

00:19:04.11
Bill
yeah

00:19:04.96
Mike
Yeah, we treat others with dignity and to live with dignity. um Yeah, you know, well that was one before it. we Oh, yeah, we act respectfully to be respectful.

00:19:17.36
Bill
Right.

00:19:18.04
Mike
Yeah. You know, same thing. Hey, yeah, you know. um act respectfully and and somehow that makes us respectable.

00:19:26.58
Bill
Right. Yeah.

00:19:27.35
Mike
Yeah.

00:19:27.48
Bill
Which is, you know, well, again, you know, if you if you act the whole act as if thing, you know, if you don't, if you want to be a responsible, act that way.

00:19:31.15
Mike
Yep.

00:19:33.57
Bill
If you want to be, you know, whatever it is that you got to, you got to act a certain way until, until you are that thing.

00:19:33.99
Mike
Yeah.

00:19:38.80
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:19:39.10
Bill
you know? But it it also talked about something something was the soil and something was the seeds, and we have to nurture them, which, I mean, that that that's a that's a thing that comes up in in readings on, a I'll say, a semi-regular basis.

00:19:44.82
Mike
Right.

00:19:49.82
Bill
It talks about that. You know, they you know um we've got to we've got to nurture these. the

00:19:54.85
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:19:55.56
Bill
till the soil, plant the seeds. I mean, planting seeds with my people.

00:19:57.51
Mike
Yeah.

00:19:59.60
Bill
all that sort of things. But, but it's not just go ahead and doing that, you know, the the part of nurturing, nurturing those things, because that's, that's the only way that any of this stuff is going to grow is if you nurture it, you know.

00:20:04.48
Mike
Yeah.

00:20:08.42
Mike
exactly yeah well it's you know they the Good wolf and the bad wolf, right? Which one do you feed is the one that fucking gets stronger.

00:20:16.34
Bill
Right

00:20:16.84
Mike
Yeah.

00:20:17.63
Bill
I saw a meme recently. It says it was starting off with that. It's like, hey, listen, if you got two wolves inside of you, you got some sort of fucking problem.

00:20:24.59
Mike
he he he he he he he he

00:20:24.80
Bill
Go see a doctor or whatever it is, you know, or you're seeing things or, you know, you maybe go see a psychiatrist or whatever the case was.

00:20:28.89
Mike
Mmm. Right.

00:20:30.67
Bill
It was just. It was just kind of funny because, ah um yeah yeah, good will. I mean, I get it. You know, whatever whatever the situation is, and no matter how...

00:20:35.20
Mike
Yep.

00:20:39.41
Bill
you know things get kind of fucked up and things get a little bit you know going a little bit sideways and you know i mean the the thing of it is it it's a it's a struggle for you know for and i mean i don't think that we're any different than other people but just knowing that

00:20:43.34
Mike
Hmm?

00:20:50.80
Mike
No.

00:20:52.91
Bill
our you know Our default is that everything is fucked up.

00:20:56.83
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:20:56.75
Bill
Everyone this everyone is fucked up.

00:20:58.86
Mike
Yep.

00:20:59.10
Bill
you know This is shit and that's shit. We're shit and everyone's fucking shit. you know So that's that's our that's where we live.

00:21:03.36
Mike
Yes.

00:21:06.07
Bill
That's our default.

00:21:06.41
Mike
Yeah.

00:21:07.17
Bill
you know

00:21:07.04
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:21:08.31
Bill
So we have to... If things are literally shit around us, it's like, oh my God, now now this this blends.

00:21:13.16
Mike
Hey.

00:21:14.37
Bill
i got it Now I really got to be careful, you know?

00:21:16.44
Mike
Yep.

00:21:17.12
Bill
And, you know, then we still got to walk on through. It's like, the again, speaking of memes, I think there there's the one, you know, that's it's like Will Ferrell. He's sitting there and there's ah just a raging inferno behind him, you know, sober and glad to be here or something like that.

00:21:27.55
Mike
is

00:21:30.35
Mike
yeah

00:21:30.68
Bill
Or, you know, glad to be sober, glad or whatever it is.

00:21:33.84
Mike
Yeah.

00:21:33.76
Bill
It's just, you know, trying to. And I'm like, yeah, that's that's it. Life can be just. fucking burning buildings falling down around us.

00:21:39.72
Mike
Right.

00:21:40.16
Bill
and And we've just got to be like, okay, you know, if we, we, we gotta.

00:21:40.86
Mike
Mm-hmm Yeah.

00:21:44.09
Bill
You've got to trudge. You've got to trudge through. you know

00:21:45.92
Mike
Absolutely. Yeah. You know, and I'm sober. i'm i'm reasonably happy and relatively at peace and Yeah, let the fucking burnings build around me. You know, whatever.

00:21:56.58
Bill
Right.

00:21:57.16
Mike
Yeah.

00:21:57.74
Bill
Right. Yeah, and I mean, one one way or the other, even even if, you know, im like all this whatever whatever it is, whatever this shit is, we know that somehow, someway, even if it's like, okay, so things are still fucked up?

00:22:09.35
Mike
Mm-hmm Mm hmm.

00:22:09.96
Bill
You know, if you've got a string, you've got this little thing, this run that you're going on where maybe things are a little weird and your kind you constantly feel like you're fighting through stuff, yeah, relatively happy, but you're like, Jesus Christ, this...

00:22:21.54
Bill
sport this

00:22:22.50
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:22:22.62
Bill
keep What's this fucking shit that keeps getting hurled at me?

00:22:25.65
Mike
Right.

00:22:25.69
Bill
I've just got to keep on fucking walking. cause

00:22:27.82
Mike
Fucking monkeys, quit throwing your shit at me.

00:22:28.89
Bill
Yeah. Right. Yeah. but what But one way or the other. And I don't know how and I don't know when and I don't know how everything's going to work out, but I know it will.

00:22:36.22
Mike
Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

00:22:38.91
Bill
Because, you know, history has told me that, you know, even in you know the relatively short amount of time, in 16 and a half years for us.

00:22:38.90
Mike
Yeah. Yep.

00:22:44.56
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:22:45.59
Bill
The things will work out. and They have worked out.

00:22:47.42
Mike
Yeah. Right.

00:22:48.50
Bill
you know and i mean that's we we can't force it we can't do any of that shit i'll give you an example this is a this is almost a completely fucked up example but i mean i i left it be So I get these, and I don't even know why, because I haven't really been applying for jobs or anything like that lately because I don't.

00:22:49.15
Mike
Yeah.

00:23:05.55
Mike
Yeah.

00:23:06.70
Bill
I don't like my job, but i want I'm trying to... you know work with and try to build up this airbnb thing i don't want to start another job because then i got to focus on that You know, I don't want to do that, you know.

00:23:11.89
Mike
Right.

00:23:15.18
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:23:17.87
Bill
But every once in a while I get these things. I'm like, oh, like this one I got the other day. It was like this contract position. It was phone work for dealing with the. whatever the thing is. And you know, it's 28 to 32 hours a week.

00:23:29.20
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:23:29.78
Bill
all remote, all phone work, and at a higher hourly wage. I'm like, oh, maybe ah maybe something like that would be kind of cool.

00:23:35.63
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:23:35.79
Bill
Okay, so take a little if I need to take a month or so to get you know kind of keyed into that, but um a few less hours, I can make the same money.

00:23:40.02
Mike
Sure.

00:23:42.20
Bill
Let's let's try that sort of thing, you know?

00:23:43.87
Mike
Yeah, right

00:23:44.64
Bill
at least apply for it. So it's like right when I got up, I hit the, you know, apply with Indeed and it did that because I got my resume already built in there.

00:23:45.84
Mike
Right.

00:23:51.88
Bill
Then it's like, oh.

00:23:51.68
Mike
Sure.

00:23:53.30
Bill
good news you get to do this now so um you know it's like you got to do this this recorded interview.

00:23:58.75
Mike
ever

00:23:59.55
Bill
And it's, you know, it's fucking five o 'clock in the morning. And I mean, I got to get ready for where I don't have time.

00:24:02.30
Mike
Yeah.

00:24:03.63
Bill
So they're like, it'll take up to 30 minutes, but it's like, you've got 24 hours to do it.

00:24:04.23
Mike
Right?

00:24:07.64
Bill
And I'm like, I'll do it after work. I'm fine. you know And I get the link in an email, all good.

00:24:09.73
Mike
Yeah.

00:24:12.58
Bill
So I get an email like two hours later from the recruiter, you know, that's doing this.

00:24:16.56
Mike
hey

00:24:17.19
Bill
out Hey, just so you know, you know, make sure you do this. And I'm like, you know, I. appreciate the follow-up but you know just i need a little bit of grace and patience here i'm working right now you know but i said i will i'll do it after work so

00:24:25.24
Mike
Right.

00:24:28.65
Bill
I look at it and I'm just reading through it a little bit. and It's like, oh, you're going to need this software because I got to do this screen record, like record your screen.

00:24:34.00
Mike
ah

00:24:35.59
Bill
And to begin with, I'm like, why would they want to do that? You know, but then I that i thought about it and they're probably wanting to see your internet speed and whatever, and blah, blah, blah.

00:24:41.79
Mike
Right.

00:24:43.18
Bill
so They're like, you got to download this thing. I'm like, well, that's kind of weird. So I look into it, make sure I'm not. you know downloading something's all fucked up it's not reputable thing And then it's like, once you do it, do this, this, and this, and it'll record your screen. Well, I did this, this, and this, and it didn't record my screen.

00:24:56.99
Mike
uh-huh

00:24:57.68
Bill
and I'm like, okay, so I do this, and then it's adding it is that as an extension to Chrome, and I'm on my computer, not my Chromebooks. I do that on purpose.

00:25:03.77
Mike
right Hmm.

00:25:05.75
Bill
So this back and forth, and I'm like, this isn't fucking working. you know And and i'm not um I'm not unintelligent when it comes to, I'm computer savvy-ish.

00:25:09.20
Mike
Yeah.

00:25:13.25
Mike
Sure. Yeah. Right, yeah.

00:25:15.44
Bill
And computer savvy enough, I deal with enough of this shit where I can figure it out.

00:25:18.73
Mike
Right.

00:25:19.21
Bill
and it's just it's just not working you know so i try to take the extent doing all these different things and finally i'm like I get to this point like years ago when i when I'm trying to buy an iPhone and I can't find one.

00:25:27.98
Mike
uh-huh

00:25:29.29
Bill
And I'm like, I don't understand why this seems like it'd be really fucking perfect for me. But for whatever reason, the universe doesn't want me to apply for this fucking job.

00:25:34.09
Mike
aha

00:25:36.97
Mike
Yeah.

00:25:37.71
Bill
you know

00:25:38.76
Mike
Yep.

00:25:39.19
Bill
So I'm like, I... Gotta fucking forget it.

00:25:41.27
Mike
Yeah.

00:25:42.03
Bill
Done.

00:25:42.81
Mike
Yeah.

00:25:42.63
Bill
And I'm like, Fuck!

00:25:44.89
Mike
Hehehehehehe.

00:25:45.73
Bill
Because you know I'm like, this isn't this isn't a want. This is something that I'm like trying to apply for. So it was really, really hard for me you know to to justify this in my head to figure out. Why?

00:25:57.74
Bill
Why do I need to walk away, but I know I do? you know.

00:26:00.12
Mike
Yeah. Right.

00:26:01.31
Bill
And I could have messed around with it for another... Whatever. But then again, I'm going to get irritated.

00:26:04.40
Mike
Good.

00:26:05.22
Bill
I'm fucking hungry.

00:26:05.68
Mike
Yeah.

00:26:05.86
Bill
um you know there If it doesn't work, then I'm just going to get mad.

00:26:07.22
Mike
Right? Yeah. exactly right yeah and if we've learned we've learned a couple of things and one of them is if we're fucking trying to force something too hard it's probably not supposed to work

00:26:22.65
Bill
Right? Yeah, and I mean, again, try try to explain that to any, and I consider myself.

00:26:23.16
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

00:26:26.64
Mike
Mmm.

00:26:27.19
Bill
relatively logical most days you know and most times but try to explain that to a logical person that a job that seems like it would fit for you the money's going to be right the hours would be right this could be a perfect thing exactly exactly what you want

00:26:28.91
Mike
Right. Right. Mhm.

00:26:35.42
Mike
Mhm. Yeah.

00:26:41.43
Mike
Yep.

00:26:42.03
Bill
But it's not it's not supposed to work out for whatever.

00:26:42.23
Mike
Mm. Yeah.

00:26:44.01
Bill
fuck for whatever reason.

00:26:44.76
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:26:45.51
Bill
No.

00:26:45.70
Mike
Yeah.

00:26:47.05
Bill
You're like, well, why?

00:26:48.73
Mike
Ooh.

00:26:48.58
Bill
we Well, we can't tell you.

00:26:50.04
Mike
Right.

00:26:50.55
Bill
you You can't tell me why? No, it's just it's just not going to work out. well Well, come on.

00:26:58.44
Bill
Well. Fine. so I fucking walked away and I went and made my goddamn dinner, you know?

00:27:01.75
Mike
Yep, exactly.

00:27:03.51
Bill
Yeah, but that that was probably one of the most, that was a perfect example of of you know just letting it fucking go and it didn't make any goddamn sense. you know.

00:27:10.17
Mike
Right. Yeah, right. and I talk about, yeah all right, so all you religious people that listen to this show and go, how can you people do this, be atheists and agnostics?

00:27:16.38
Bill
Right.

00:27:19.96
Mike
Well, that's how.

00:27:21.31
Bill
Right.

00:27:21.58
Mike
Just right there. We have faith that it's going to fucking work out if we fucking try to force it too hard. Our will um doesn't fucking work.

00:27:29.69
Bill
Right.

00:27:29.60
Mike
We don't know why. It doesn't matter. It doesn't make sense. It's not logical. Just like all your shit. There you go.

00:27:37.72
Bill
Yeah, and that's that's ah that's a that's skill that's that's a good way to put it because I don't i don't know why.

00:27:41.14
Mike
ah

00:27:42.53
Bill
I don't have – and i I want to know.

00:27:43.59
Mike
Yeah.

00:27:44.69
Bill
I'm a ridiculously –

00:27:45.93
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:27:46.75
Bill
over analytical person at times where i just i need to know the why behind things but But for whatever reason, it just after like 15 minutes of trying to figure this out, something popped into my head, and I'm like, I can't do this anymore.

00:27:54.33
Mike
Yeah.

00:27:58.34
Mike
Yep.

00:27:58.36
Bill
you know. And I don't know why.

00:27:59.17
Mike
Yeah.

00:27:59.55
Bill
I don't.

00:27:59.99
Mike
Yeah, well, because because ah this shit, the spiritual principles say that, yes, you know, yeah, that they taught us, man, if you're trying to if your will is trying to force something too fucking hard, it's probably wrong.

00:28:02.75
Bill
Yeah. okay

00:28:13.34
Bill
Right. Yeah, I know.

00:28:16.11
Mike
Not even probably. It is fucking wrong.

00:28:18.93
Bill
and i i You know what? Again, I agree.

00:28:21.41
Mike
Yeah.

00:28:21.04
Bill
i just it's it's still It's still unexplainable, but I 100 % agree.

00:28:23.69
Mike
Yes. Mm-hmm.

00:28:25.41
Bill
Absolutely agree. All right, so anything else that that jumped out in the reading? I liked it. I did like the reading, but anything else that jumped out at you?

00:28:31.99
Mike
Yeah. Good enough.

00:28:34.77
Bill
Okay.

00:28:37.80
Mike
nope I think we covered the shit that jumped out at me

00:28:40.76
Bill
Okay. Cool. Well, and I wrote this down, and I had actually emailed this person back and told him that we would be getting to his email next week, but guess what?

00:28:49.91
Mike
Uh-huh. Hey.

00:28:50.92
Bill
We're going to get to it right now. So, We're going to jump into the mailbag, everyone.

00:28:52.23
Mike
Cool.

00:28:55.09
Mike
hey letters we get letters we get stacks and stacks of letters all right

00:28:55.25
Bill
so

00:29:00.82
Mike
Ritual baby, ritual.

00:29:03.02
Bill
Yeah, that's why I couldn't not have you. Yeah, if you do that, now where'd the fucking email go? Okay, I do.

00:29:08.91
Mike
Ah. Reach way down in the bag. It's in there.

00:29:12.86
Bill
Oh, there it is. I'm like, Jesus Christ.

00:29:13.92
Mike
I see.

00:29:14.86
Bill
There we go. All right, so um our buddy Tim. from

00:29:19.24
Mike
Yes.

00:29:20.27
Bill
ah Where is he from? Maine. he Yeah, he is from Maine.

00:29:23.68
Mike
Yeah.

00:29:23.69
Bill
He's the one that Tim is the one Tim. gave us the bought us the copies at one time and said i'll buy you a fucking coffee if i if i want to

00:29:28.23
Mike
Yes. Hehehe. Hehehehehehehehehehehehe.

00:29:31.72
Bill
So again, thank you, Tim. You brought smiles to our faces and you you you ended up sponsoring our podcast for a month in a in a whatever.

00:29:34.64
Mike
Yes, you did.

00:29:38.18
Mike
Yep.

00:29:38.72
Bill
but By doing that, but no, no, no copies today. God damn it, Tim. We don't want any more coffee for you.

00:29:43.91
Mike
No.

00:29:43.96
Bill
Just save your goddamn money. You're going to need it because.

00:29:45.53
Mike
I got to get some sleep tonight.

00:29:47.08
Bill
Exactly. All right, so um this is from, again, our our friend Tim. And yeah, Portland, Maine is is where he's from. So hey, Mike and Bill, congratulations on the win.

00:29:56.94
Bill
So first of all, thank you.

00:29:58.63
Mike
Thank you.

00:29:59.16
Bill
um He goes, I opened up my Facebook trepidation on Saturday, all geared up to be disappointed when some celebrity I'd never heard of with a microphone in a mouth or a month out of rehab had won the award.

00:30:05.39
Mike
Hehehehe.

00:30:13.15
Bill
hey I was absolutely ecstatic when I saw you guys won the award. From everything I've heard from you, I can tell you're the real deal. I look forward to listening every Saturday morning.

00:30:24.11
Bill
Just as an aside, I am getting ready to retire at the end of the month um after working since I was 15 years old.

00:30:23.80
Mike
o

00:30:27.51
Mike
um Nice. Congratulations. congratulations

00:30:32.06
Bill
Yeah, exactly. He goes, I've been a nurse since or i've been a nurse for years, got sober in June of 85, have been working in the field of addiction since 1988 as a nurse and addiction counselor. I tell friends, sponsees, and clients to tune in and check you guys out.

00:30:48.17
Mike
cool

00:30:48.54
Bill
Thanks for all you do and signed, Tim. so

00:30:52.54
Mike
Wow

00:30:53.42
Bill
Tim, no, no, no, no. no

00:30:55.24
Mike
Mmm.

00:30:55.17
Bill
All the thanks. is Clearly.

00:30:57.16
Mike
It's on this. This side of the microphone.

00:31:00.54
Bill
Clearly on this side of the microphone. But yeah, I mean, like as Mike just said, I mean, first of all, congratulations on retirement.

00:31:06.49
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:31:06.55
Bill
Jesus. That's what I was just going to say. You got to keep your fucking coffee money. ah you're You're retiring.

00:31:11.34
Mike
Yes.

00:31:12.28
Bill
go Go buy yourself a goddamn coffee.

00:31:12.07
Mike
He he he he. Mm hmm.

00:31:15.61
Bill
But no, just just nice. And same thing, and we we say this all the time, and if ah if you happen to be a newer listener, and we mention it every once in a while, but um in...

00:31:17.83
Mike
Yes.

00:31:24.62
Bill
100%. Honest to God truth, we do not get a lot of emails.

00:31:29.17
Mike
Yeah.

00:31:29.31
Bill
We don't get a lot of messages. We don't get a lot of any sort of communication from... fucking anyone and and it's fine you know i think to begin with when when we started i don't know kind of when we felt like we were reaching a few more people it kind of surprised me you know that we i figured every once in a while we might get i don't know more reviews more comments just something you know

00:31:35.78
Mike
Mm hmm. Yep.

00:31:49.87
Mike
a

00:31:50.92
Bill
and then finally we're like you know what no because when we do get these comments they're like this You know, they're number one.

00:31:55.10
Mike
oh Yes.

00:31:57.78
Bill
They're heartfelt. They're warm. They're they're just really, really cool comments. And it's just it's it's fucking nice. You know, not only.

00:32:04.63
Mike
It is.

00:32:04.96
Bill
Did he say congratulations to us and the things we do, which, you know, we get people sharing stuff about, you know, they feel that.

00:32:08.34
Mike
think

00:32:11.62
Bill
They want to share things that they're going on in their own lives, you know? Which is fucking great.

00:32:15.43
Mike
And we appreciate that. Yeah, absolutely.

00:32:16.64
Bill
Yeah. Yeah, so 85 1985. Let me do the math.

00:32:24.03
Mike
citizen

00:32:25.10
Bill
I know exactly how long that is because I just had passed the high school reunion I didn't go to.

00:32:29.56
Mike
Right.

00:32:29.72
Bill
So that's 41 years depending on on what.

00:32:32.33
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:32:32.98
Bill
what month he got sober in.

00:32:34.83
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:32:34.69
Bill
So yeah.

00:32:35.67
Mike
Didn't he say June? Thank you.

00:32:37.41
Bill
Did he say June?

00:32:38.07
Mike
I think you did. I don't know. You read it.

00:32:41.46
Bill
You know what?

00:32:41.21
Mike
Hehehehehehe.

00:32:42.10
Bill
Again, I just... i read You're right. I read it. that's all that that's all That's all that I did.

00:32:45.25
Mike
Hehehehehehehehehehe.

00:32:47.31
Bill
Hang on one second here. Let me look back.

00:32:48.77
Mike
All right

00:32:50.31
Bill
um I'm going to... Jude 885, you're right. Okay, so...

00:32:52.89
Mike
Hey, well, i it did just because it clicked because that was when I was supposed to graduate high school.

00:32:53.93
Bill
and hey ah Yeah.

00:32:58.51
Mike
Hehehehehehe.

00:32:59.75
Bill
okay so yep june of 85 well that's like when when you said the one time you said may 3rd of 1986 and i'm like hey that's that's what i met my daughter's mom you're like what And you just threw out some fucking random date out of your head.

00:33:06.11
Mike
Yeah, right Right.

00:33:11.51
Mike
I did. Yes.

00:33:13.20
Bill
But anyhow, so, I mean, thank you, Tim.

00:33:14.99
Mike
Yes.

00:33:14.86
Bill
Congratulations on the retirement.

00:33:16.02
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:33:16.12
Bill
And yeah, we appreciate, you know, telling, I mean, anytime people tell anyone to to listen to this.

00:33:20.91
Mike
Yeah.

00:33:21.75
Bill
Fucking nonsense. It's, uh... It's kind of nice. so

00:33:24.83
Mike
It is. Yes.

00:33:26.54
Bill
But, yeah, that was that was all that was all out of the mailbag sort of thing. So do you want to – you know what? i I want to talk a little bit about – I'll let you pick on – well, I've got three three things that we – yeah, we've got time before the break.

00:33:36.56
Mike
Alright.

00:33:37.88
Bill
um

00:33:37.74
Mike
We do.

00:33:39.02
Bill
either I got a couple of things about where I'm at right now, this Missouri trip.

00:33:42.59
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:33:42.74
Bill
I do i want to talk about the ninth step. a little bit which might be a little bit longer so maybe that would be after the break um But I also listened to and made it through the entire book, Bob Saget, the Dirty Daddy book.

00:33:45.45
Mike
Okay.

00:33:48.79
Mike
Okay.

00:33:54.40
Mike
Uh-huh

00:33:55.51
Bill
And then, yeah, it's just those those kind of three things I think would be. in the time frame that we would have between now and a break. So your choice.

00:34:03.32
Mike
Um, let's go sag it.

00:34:05.96
Bill
Okay, so i'm so I'm so happy you did.

00:34:07.94
Mike
He he he he he he he he.

00:34:09.63
Bill
All right. So, um yeah, Bob Saget, the book was written. If I'm not mistaken, i and I'd have to look back again, but I believe it was back in...

00:34:15.98
Mike
Before he died?

00:34:17.47
Bill
it It was.

00:34:17.89
Mike
Was it his book or not?

00:34:18.17
Bill
Number one. Well, in... um

00:34:21.34
Mike
I don't know.

00:34:22.36
Bill
Well, in I was going to say that's a great question because it could have been after the fact that you know somebody wrote it for him.

00:34:22.81
Mike
All right.

00:34:26.33
Mike
Right. right

00:34:27.54
Bill
but one of the things that i don't do and i did it once by accident i never listened to the book but um i don't get audiobooks unless they're written They're read by the author.

00:34:36.84
Mike
Okay.

00:34:37.26
Bill
because I only want to, that's, that's part of the experience for me.

00:34:40.24
Mike
Sure.

00:34:40.32
Bill
That's the reason I want to listen to a book is to hear them and get their own inflection and all that stuff.

00:34:42.51
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:34:45.14
Mike
Gotcha.

00:34:46.06
Bill
So. It was him, yes, before he died.

00:34:48.20
Mike
Alright.

00:34:48.76
Bill
Written by written and authored in... spoken by him. and um i believe it might have been 2010 or somewhere it was a little while ago okay um Bye.

00:34:52.76
Mike
Okay.

00:34:57.75
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:34:59.64
Bill
So it was called Dirty Daddy and you know talked about a lot of things, you know his whole upbringing and you know how he got into it, and the the full house stuff and all the things that he did.

00:35:07.23
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:35:07.81
Bill
He even got into, which I was hoping he would, he talked about... And you never saw the the show Entourage, but he was in Entourage and played himself, but played basically a, and I'll call it a ah a spiced up version of himself because they the I forget the...

00:35:14.12
Mike
No.

00:35:17.02
Mike
Okay.

00:35:22.75
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:35:25.09
Bill
the guy that uh Doesn't even matter. The guy that did the... Did the show?

00:35:29.44
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:35:29.43
Bill
Called him. It's like he goes. I want you to be you what he goes. I want you to you know kind of bump it up a little bit because i think it'd be funny so he did it was just fucking amazing just fucking amazing so

00:35:34.76
Mike
Right. Mm hmm. Hmm.

00:35:40.37
Bill
Just listening to it, to begin with, when he first started off, I almost, after the first 15 minutes, I'm like, I can't even. There's no way I'm going to be able to listen to this fucking. yahoo through this book because every other sentence was like he was you know, like going off on a tangent, dropping a joke and this and that.

00:35:48.88
Mike
okay

00:35:54.62
Bill
And he goes, when I do this, I do that, blah, blah, blah.

00:35:55.05
Mike
seems easy

00:35:56.91
Bill
He was over-exaggerating all that to begin with.

00:35:59.76
Mike
Yeah.

00:36:00.33
Bill
But then throughout the book, he would do that. He'd be talking and all of a sudden he'd be like, God damn it, I love hot dogs. And then he'd just go on and talk. He wouldn't say that, you know, but something along those lines.

00:36:08.77
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:36:10.16
Bill
So it became really funny how he would drop these little things in there.

00:36:13.43
Mike
Okay.

00:36:14.08
Bill
But. So, um i'll tell I'll tell that one last. So he was talking about... um He was talking about, there's only a few things I wrote down. There's too much.

00:36:23.87
Bill
if If anyone gets the opportunity to listen to or read his book, I highly recommend it. It's it's funny. If you like Bob Sagan and at any level, more so if you like him on the comedian side of things. um

00:36:32.86
Mike
Right.

00:36:33.62
Bill
More so if you just like the clean cut, you know, full house guy, I don't know that you'll appreciate it.

00:36:37.37
Mike
Mm. I don't know.

00:36:38.85
Bill
as much

00:36:39.65
Mike
you just like the clean, clean, full house guy. Fucking go kill yourself.

00:36:44.55
Bill
Yeah, because it's, so I mean, that's the... the funny The funny part of him is the fact that he even brings it up in there, and the fact that he... that reputation of going, sometimes he would film, you know, and film that all day and then go do some of the raunchy shit that would ever come out of his mouth at night to just let off some steam.

00:36:54.81
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:36:58.03
Mike
Right. Oh yeah.

00:37:01.26
Bill
steam

00:37:01.64
Mike
Right, yeah yeah, I mean, yeah I've... heard interviews with him and he i mean he fucking hated doing that you know

00:37:07.70
Bill
Yeah, it wasn't.

00:37:08.13
Mike
Yeah.

00:37:08.42
Bill
Yeah, it wasn't. It was, you know, he's like, he goes, it was a great group of people. He goes, I loved everyone.

00:37:12.13
Mike
Mm-hmm. Sure, sure.

00:37:12.46
Bill
And he loves all of them, his family and all that. But yeah, it was a.

00:37:14.76
Mike
Yeah. But it it was a stupid fucking show.

00:37:17.54
Bill
Yeah, the yeah.

00:37:18.23
Mike
Yeah, it was awful.

00:37:20.11
Bill
Yeah.

00:37:19.95
Mike
Hehehehehehe.

00:37:21.38
Bill
All right, so so he's talking about dating, and he said he hates it when he's on a date, and they ordered dinner, and after some initial small talk, somebody would ask him, so are you thinking about having kids again? And this is after he got, he he was divorced twice.

00:37:32.32
Bill
I think this was after his first divorce, because I think that's where his daughters are from, from his first wife, I think, if I if i remember correctly.

00:37:32.76
Mike
Mhm. Hmm. All right.

00:37:37.49
Mike
Right.

00:37:39.22
Bill
And his answer was always, you know, well, I actually figured I would focus on finishing, you know, we focus on finishing our salads first.

00:37:44.90
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:37:45.38
Bill
It was basically say basically saying that he... he Everyone always talked about wanting to know the plan rather than just trying to get to know the person.

00:37:53.09
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:37:52.84
Bill
So as a side note, what the reason I wrote that one down is that I talked about that before with these fucking dating apps, you know?

00:37:53.80
Mike
Hmm?

00:37:58.82
Mike
Right.

00:37:59.48
Bill
And, you know, get on a dating app and somebody said like, oh, if you're not looking for a full time, you're not looking for long term, not looking for a marriage.

00:38:05.32
Mike
Uh huh.

00:38:06.38
Bill
i i don't even match with me type of thing. And I'm like, How the fuck would I know?

00:38:09.18
Mike
Right.

00:38:10.68
Bill
you know you You may be a fucking nutbag when I meet you, but I grow to love you.

00:38:11.66
Mike
Yeah.

00:38:15.15
Bill
you know

00:38:15.56
Mike
Sure.

00:38:16.02
Bill
Or maybe vice versa.

00:38:17.27
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:38:17.11
Bill
You know, you're... You're hot as fuck. Then you're like, Jesus Christ, I don't want to spend my life with you.

00:38:21.07
Mike
Yeah.

00:38:22.13
Bill
You know, so so how do you know? So I just thought that that was kind of interesting, okay?

00:38:25.30
Mike
ah

00:38:26.54
Bill
So then the rest of it, though, I mean, again, it was great stories. He talks about a lot of different things, his stand-up and all this upbringing. It turned out to be a really good book. It's shorter. I think it was only...

00:38:38.91
Bill
I want to say eight hours total, I think, listening.

00:38:40.93
Mike
Okay.

00:38:41.88
Bill
And, I mean, I've listened so so far on this on this trip. I finished up the Matthew Perry. I listened to Charlie Sheen again. I listened to his book.

00:38:47.37
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:38:47.98
Bill
But, I mean, I've been driving all over the goddamn earth, it seems like, you know, so.

00:38:50.61
Mike
Right.

00:38:52.32
Bill
I've had time on my hands.

00:38:53.80
Mike
Yes.

00:38:55.27
Bill
Okay, so this one. This one before before I say this I it This is Bob Saget telling the story.

00:39:02.77
Mike
Okay.

00:39:03.50
Bill
Okay, and we we all just... We all just had this whole conversation. Bob Saget is... you know His... his Stand up in this. He's a fucking pig, you know?

00:39:11.56
Mike
Yes.

00:39:12.20
Bill
And he truly, truly is. And the other thing I will say is before, and I'm going to read this exactly how he.

00:39:13.95
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:39:18.56
Bill
Told it.

00:39:18.39
Mike
Hehehehehehe.

00:39:19.53
Bill
um but Two things. He got his ex-wife's permission.

00:39:24.32
Mike
uh-huh

00:39:25.03
Bill
to tell the story and she's like you have to tell this story because this is who you are okay and he also because his daughter is part of the story

00:39:27.36
Mike
Yeah. Right.

00:39:32.95
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:39:33.69
Bill
He got his daughter's permission. And is apparently his kids, the same thing. They're just like. You know, you are who you are, and they've learned to – he's got three daughters, and they just they learned you know over that time frame to just –

00:39:39.70
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:39:44.40
Bill
this is who our dad is, you know?

00:39:45.61
Mike
Yeah, right

00:39:47.14
Bill
Okay, so now I'm just saying this is not me saying this because it's...

00:39:49.60
Mike
Okay.

00:39:51.49
Bill
It's fucking filthy, okay? So...

00:39:52.94
Mike
Cool.

00:39:53.24
Bill
they The whole thing was, this is his first daughter that was born. His wife goes to the hospital. Everything's going fine. She's given she's you know in in the the room about to give birth, and then apparently her blood pressure – dropped like really really low so um the doctor gave um what is that epinephrine i think or something like that is that the right thing whatever it is

00:40:07.40
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:40:13.41
Mike
Bye. Bye.

00:40:14.66
Bill
Yeah, it's something to bring the heart rate back up. But basically what happened is...

00:40:17.38
Mike
Okay.

00:40:19.13
Bill
the way her body reacted to it it it like it was really low you know dangerously low they gave her this shot that doctor did and then it went really really high i mean like peak like really fucking high-peaked, and then she flatlined.

00:40:23.91
Mike
ah

00:40:29.78
Mike
Yeah.

00:40:31.48
Bill
Okay.

00:40:31.83
Mike
Okay.

00:40:32.38
Bill
So this is during birth and first child, the whole fucking bit.

00:40:33.84
Mike
Yeah.

00:40:35.61
Bill
They're young. They're all both in their early 20s or something like that.

00:40:37.67
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:40:38.02
Bill
He's standing right there with his fucking wife flatlines.

00:40:40.23
Mike
Right.

00:40:40.73
Bill
So you know he goes the whole room comes in, all these doctors, and you know he's got to step aside. He didn't have to leave the room, if I remember correctly. but This and the other thing, they bring her back. So he's outside of the room. you all the I think both of their parents were there. So they can't even come up. So he goes out and he's explaining to them what happened. She's getting wheeled out. And I mean, she's awake now. She's, you know, but.

00:41:01.74
Bill
ended up spending like a week or so in icu he's just kind of like this joking thing he's like you can't die because i dont i don't know what to do with this baby You know, kind of kind of that sort of thing, you know.

00:41:04.02
Mike
Right.

00:41:08.86
Mike
Hehehehehehehehe. Uh huh.

00:41:11.74
Bill
so So all said and done, she goes through the ICU. She's at home. She's in, in you know, in. the bedroom or whatever resting he's got the you know the baby daughter now that go through all this all this stuff Baby's a couple years old. He's got his daughter.

00:41:24.39
Bill
So some friends of theirs, these these family friends, this guy and his wife. are coming over to to see them and, you know, they're finally home and whatever. Doorbell rings.

00:41:34.70
Bill
He opens up the door. It's the guy in his... His wife. They both, you know, they come walking in, they look at her, and they're like, like oh, my God, everything that you guys have been through. but Bob, she is so...

00:41:45.19
Bill
beautiful. And he says, You can finger her for a dollar.

00:41:52.24
Bill
And then he's like he's like They're silent. I'm silent.

00:41:57.44
Mike
Hey.

00:41:58.37
Bill
And he goes, they look at me. I look at them. And he says, no, because i he goes, it's my dart. He goes, i of course I'd charge $5.

00:42:08.03
Bill
so and then they again they stare back and forth and they just fucking laugh because i mean that's him right

00:42:12.27
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:42:13.30
Bill
But, I mean, swear to God, he's like, yeah. He goes, I said that.

00:42:16.14
Mike
Hey.

00:42:17.18
Bill
but But again, I'm like, I started laughing. I'm like, I got to write this down, but i can I repeat this?

00:42:21.89
Mike
Mm-hmm

00:42:22.21
Bill
I'm like, this is so fucking filthy. but But then he's like, he goes, I just want to say again. He goes, I got my white wife's permission, his ex-wife's permission, and his daughter. Both of them said, no, you have to. You have to tell him that, you know?

00:42:31.28
Mike
Yeah. Right. Huh?

00:42:33.32
Bill
So here's the other one. The they're in in the reason I was hoping the whole entourage thing. So he's... Bob Saget, as Bob Saget, is sitting in his office with this ridiculously hot fucking blonde in one of the characters' offices. And they're talking back and forth, and they just decided to represent this management company as one of the characters, of managing now Bob Saget.

00:42:54.20
Bill
So he's like, he goes, Eric, he goes, I want to, he goes, oh I got to ask you something, but you can't, you can't laugh at me or think I'm fucking weird. and eric's just like just tell me bob he's like no you got to tell me you're not going to think i'm fucking weird he goes i'm not weird he goes you got to tell me you're not gonna think i'm weird And he goes, he's like, no, it's okay, okay. So the guy that owns the management company, his name is Murphy, whatever his name is, or not Murphy, but Murray, I'm sorry.

00:43:17.64
Bill
So Bob's like, he goes he goes, I want to fuck her in Murray's office. And Eric's like, What are you talking about? He goes, it's fine. You know, whatever. You can't. It's second or whatever. So he is up they they end up getting that set. But the first time that.

00:43:31.64
Bill
that Bob Saget meets this whole crew because they apparently live next to him, this house that they just moved into, the movie star or whatever, an entourage. So he brings this whole basket over stuff or whatever and he's talking to Vince, who's the movie star.

00:43:43.41
Bill
And then as he's walking out, he's like he's like, Vince, he goes, come on down. He goes, you stop by whenever you want. He goes, he goes but but he goes I got my daughters here. He's like, Vince. Don't fuck my daughters. Don't fuck my daughters. And then Vince is like, I'm not going to fuck your daughters. I'm telling you, Vince, don't fuck my daughters. So years later, Bob is at...

00:44:01.20
Bill
Bob Saget, as himself, not a TV show, is at an event, a Hollywood event, with his three daughters who are now... teenagers, right?

00:44:08.61
Mike
Right.

00:44:09.42
Bill
Runs into Jeremy Piven, who was in Entourage.

00:44:11.76
Mike
Yeah.

00:44:12.26
Bill
And ah Bob's about to, you know. go to the restroom and sees jeremy hugs shan shakes whatever and um He's about to go, and he's like he goes, I'm going to go use the restroom. And he goes.

00:44:21.98
Bill
Bob stopped and so did Jeremy. And at the same time, both of them are like. Don't fuck my daughters.

00:44:26.60
Mike
Hehehehehehehehe.

00:44:28.14
Bill
As he's walking away, so his daughters are just sitting there. That's the whole point.

00:44:30.54
Mike
Yeah.

00:44:30.98
Bill
they just They're just there like, yeah, that's that's my dad.

00:44:32.87
Mike
Yeah.

00:44:32.96
Bill
That's...

00:44:33.42
Mike
Right?

00:44:33.62
Bill
That's who he is.

00:44:34.42
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:44:35.45
Bill
But, I mean, things like that, again, he's... Once again, to your point, if anyone just likes Bob Saget for, you know, fucking Full House or America's Funniest Videos and whatever the thing is.

00:44:44.57
Mike
oh Mm hmm.

00:44:46.58
Bill
Now, you're missing the bigger point.

00:44:48.79
Mike
Yes, you are

00:44:50.32
Bill
But anyhow, speaking of bigger points.

00:44:52.17
Mike
Yeah, bigger points. Well, we're going to go take a commercial break. And when we come back, we'll talk about where Bill's at. And where is Bill? It's like, where's Waldo? After these words from our sponsors.

00:45:13.46
Bill
all Alright. All right everyone. Welcome back.

00:45:17.38
Mike
Where in the world is Carmen Santiago or whatever the fuck that was?

00:45:22.87
Bill
what was that from

00:45:23.80
Mike
I don't know. it Wasn't that, I think that was like a PBS kid show, right?

00:45:24.73
Bill
Oh, I don't know either.

00:45:28.12
Mike
Where where' in the world?

00:45:28.57
Bill
Was it really?

00:45:29.83
Mike
hidear now and I

00:45:31.35
Bill
Well, I mean, of course, the the waldo the Waldo thing, and you know there's a Waldo Wisconsin. i

00:45:35.77
Mike
Sure.

00:45:35.90
Bill
Drove by there and several times and stopped by and took a picture. And I'm like, well, that answers that question, you know, that sort of thing.

00:45:41.21
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:45:41.58
Bill
and After right. It was clearly after I got sober because I know I put it up on Facebook.

00:45:45.38
Mike
Alright.

00:45:45.21
Bill
but um

00:45:46.51
Mike
I just think of hot for teacher when I think of Waldo, but all right.

00:45:49.94
Bill
ah I completely forgot about that.

00:45:54.50
Mike
He he he.

00:45:54.24
Bill
That's fucking funny. And you know, it's it's funny you speaking of speaking of Van Halen. Apparently, um yeah. Alex Van Halen and Sammy Hagar are fucking feuding again.

00:46:02.74
Mike
Oh yeah.

00:46:03.07
Bill
It's like I didn't even hear what the... What the thing was, and I'm like, Jesus Christ. First of all, like that's another book that I listened to when I what they did that whole Arizona trip. I listened to Alex Van Halen's book, which I really fucking enjoyed.

00:46:14.15
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.

00:46:16.31
Bill
And he only did. He did the true hardcore Van Halen years, you know, the David Lee Roth years.

00:46:21.27
Mike
Right.

00:46:22.68
Bill
He didn't get in.

00:46:22.85
Mike
The good years.

00:46:23.94
Bill
and Yes. I mean, and it well...

00:46:25.15
Mike
Hehehehehehehehe.

00:46:26.42
Bill
And don't get me wrong, I saw the Van Hagar version twice. I saw him at at Alpine Valley, and they put on a great goddamn show.

00:46:30.23
Mike
All right.

00:46:33.68
Bill
that was During high school, there was a point to that all that music in my at that time in my life. I don't mind the Sammy Hagar years, but yeah. If i somebody said, what what is... What is is the real Van Halen?

00:46:44.90
Bill
It's the David Lee Roth shit.

00:46:45.18
Mike
Yeah. Of course.

00:46:46.31
Bill
All of it is. but i remember um i mean sammy was uh you know basically bitching that entire time like why doesn't it alex do this we did this and we did that number ones and blah blah blah

00:46:55.97
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:46:56.64
Bill
Go write your own fucking books, Amy.

00:46:58.13
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:46:58.29
Bill
which i think he did you know it's a Shut shut the fuck up.

00:46:59.40
Mike
Eh, whatever. Yeah.

00:47:02.05
Bill
But anyhow.

00:47:02.27
Mike
Right. Heh heh heh.

00:47:03.35
Bill
a

00:47:04.38
Mike
bad Roddy Montrose is dead. Otherwise, you could do some good work again.

00:47:09.54
Bill
Yeah, because that, yeah, you're the one that turned me on to to that.

00:47:12.21
Mike
mm-hmm

00:47:12.04
Bill
And I didn't even know about that. And I listened, whenever you brought that up the one time. I went back and I listened to all that early that early stuff from him and and that band, and I was like,

00:47:21.89
Mike
Yeah.

00:47:23.29
Bill
This is good. right I liked it.

00:47:24.21
Mike
Yeah.

00:47:24.74
Bill
I really did.

00:47:25.18
Mike
Yeah. Uh-huh. It's the only quality work. he's ever done.

00:47:31.59
Bill
Really?

00:47:32.29
Mike
Yes.

00:47:32.98
Bill
Yeah. uh what's

00:47:34.31
Mike
Hehehehehehehehehehe.

00:47:35.49
Bill
hang Hang on one second. We're going to take a side note here because I had this written.

00:47:38.17
Mike
Yeah.

00:47:39.26
Bill
i had this written I had this written down from a while ago.

00:47:39.33
Mike
uh-huh

00:47:41.58
Bill
Okay, so speaking, Mike, speaking of music, and I i swear to God I had this written down.

00:47:41.74
Mike
Okay. Yes. did

00:47:46.50
Bill
um and for for you we we understand you can explain it more than more than i can again but you always call me well

00:47:51.82
Mike
Yeah.

00:47:53.98
Bill
you describe your music i mean how do you

00:47:56.21
Mike
It's too cut.

00:47:56.28
Bill
What is music to you?

00:47:57.30
Mike
There's two kinds of music. Good and bad.

00:48:00.94
Bill
Yeah, and that's it. It's just good and bad, right?

00:48:02.69
Mike
Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. it doesn't get There's two kinds of music, good and bad. There's good country music. There's bad country music. There's good classical music. There's bad classical music. There's good rock and roll. There's bad rock and roll.

00:48:16.31
Mike
Yeah.

00:48:16.98
Bill
Okay, so in this was this Literally just popped into my head a few weeks ago, maybe even a month ago. I mean, now it doesn't matter. but um I wrote this down. I said, would you identify either good or bad music to to your point?

00:48:27.35
Mike
Yep.

00:48:27.86
Bill
And I'm not questioning you.

00:48:28.23
Mike
Yes?

00:48:28.79
Bill
I'm just asking.

00:48:29.34
Mike
well Please don't.

00:48:32.61
Bill
and And I wouldn't because I understand where you're coming from 100%.

00:48:35.51
Mike
Uh huh.

00:48:37.31
Bill
Is it, and this is an honest question because I don't think I ever asked you this, is it the music itself, the lyrics, how it sounds in general, how it feels?

00:48:40.35
Mike
Right?

00:48:45.21
Bill
What is it to you that, or could you even put a finger on something that... that says this is good versus bad, or it just...

00:48:51.70
Mike
Well.

00:48:51.63
Bill
What is it?

00:48:53.30
Mike
all of the above, and yes, yeah.

00:48:54.48
Bill
Okay.

00:48:55.86
Mike
All of the above. Yeah. it's good music or bad music Yeah, the lyrics, the content, the style, the fucking energy, the all of it.

00:48:59.16
Bill
Yeah.

00:49:04.55
Mike
Yeah. Meh.

00:49:05.75
Bill
Okay. Well, and seriously, i i that was an honest question that I don't think I – and I'm glad you brought that up again because literally I had that on.

00:49:09.88
Mike
Yeah.

00:49:12.53
Bill
I'm like, where is this on my page? There it is. There it is. I knew I had this written down. Because you know it goes back to the... um You know, the... you go from alice cooper you go to you know to to um america to i mean to whatever you know and the the one time you were telling me about whatever somebody opened first for one whatever band i think it was in excess open for

00:49:24.81
Mike
Mmm. Yeah.

00:49:32.85
Mike
Culture Club.

00:49:33.34
Bill
Culture club, yeah. and And I just let it go and you're like. You heard that, did you?

00:49:37.68
Mike
Hehehehe.

00:49:38.14
Bill
I said, I i saw a Culture Club. I'm like, yeah.

00:49:40.19
Mike
yeah Yeah, they were fucking great.

00:49:40.07
Bill
you never had Yeah.

00:49:41.70
Mike
Hmm.

00:49:42.26
Bill
in some of the Some of the songs come up on you know things these playlists that I'm listening to.

00:49:45.76
Mike
Yeah.

00:49:47.52
Bill
I don't mind them. Sometimes it just you know kind of gets – you can kind of dance to this. you know

00:49:52.16
Mike
Yeah, damn right. right up there' there's There you want to know yeah ah good music and bad music. Can you dance to it?

00:49:58.43
Bill
Right.

00:49:59.04
Mike
Yeah, that's a definite one. Does it make you move your hips?

00:50:05.33
Bill
Does it doesn't make you want to boogie?

00:50:06.94
Mike
Yeah. Make you want to fuck.

00:50:10.50
Bill
Yeah, well, there's the other one. There's the other thing. Okay.

00:50:12.94
Mike
Hehehehehehehehe.

00:50:13.74
Bill
Okay. Note to self, music, that the I know what you mean.

00:50:15.37
Mike
Yep. Yep.

00:50:16.81
Bill
I got you. All right. So just just real quick about it. I'm in Missouri ah right now. And quite honestly, and i and I put this, I went to a couple of trails because, I mean, being here over over the weekend and I had, well, to begin with, I knew I'd be someplace on the holiday weekend.

00:50:33.11
Bill
And I and i like that when i'm what I'm out and about because it just gives me an extra day to, you know, explore an area and hit a different trail and and whatever.

00:50:38.53
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:50:40.02
Bill
and This one, I just ended up with... I wanted to go to this other trail that I thought was only like a... like an hour away from here but it turned out to be like an an almost an hour and a half and i'm like I could either do this or I could... you know i Basically, I could double my driving time to go out to this other one. It would have been...

00:50:57.69
Bill
more of a true hiking trail kind of up a like more of a mountain area and like an overlook but ended up going to this other one but i ended up at these two almost like back in an area where there were there were springs, you know, like ah like kind of rivers and springs and that sort of thing.

00:51:08.42
Mike
Yeah.

00:51:10.76
Bill
Just inadvertently, that's the the trails I went to this time, which I've been to other ones. but um You know, as i is I'm on these these trails, and I mean, I've been to Missouri a lot.

00:51:21.11
Bill
um

00:51:21.21
Mike
okay

00:51:21.99
Bill
you know these these This time here. Osage Beach six or seven times, Branson a couple of times.

00:51:28.92
Mike
All right.

00:51:29.13
Bill
um And it just, the the entire state, I don't know, there's something about... the trails themselves that are, it's all we, I don't know. There's just so much more. It's weird. I don't even know how to explain it. there's There's like this thing to look at, these bluffs, these cliffs, and these cutouts or whatever it is. Then there's these springs, and then it might be a waterfall. and Then there's a regular – it just – They're great. It's just a beautiful area. and just just driving through Missouri.

00:51:52.80
Mike
Yeah.

00:51:53.20
Bill
Same thing as Arkansas. I love driving through Arkansas. It's fucking beautiful.

00:51:56.25
Mike
Yup.

00:51:56.87
Bill
But I was telling Mike before we get on here. This area that I'm in right now, and I'm in Alton, Missouri. Okay.

00:52:02.83
Mike
ah okay

00:52:03.49
Bill
Small fucking town. I mean, little, little town. And I went down and I stopped at this ice cream place over the weekend. And they're a little down. They literally have a square, you know, the downtown square.

00:52:11.93
Mike
mm-hmm

00:52:13.08
Bill
A handful of stores. Nothing was really open. It was Sunday when I when i went down there. Hardly anything was open.

00:52:17.76
Mike
Right.

00:52:17.79
Bill
and there's fuck

00:52:17.84
Mike
Yeah. You just don't let them do that.

00:52:19.73
Bill
yeah there was it was a fucking nothing down there but i mean yeah this area hole between you know and i went from west plains where i went and that's where west plains is that's where walmart is and aldi and kind of a bigger town

00:52:27.00
Mike
Hehehehehehe.

00:52:33.59
Mike
aha

00:52:34.08
Bill
Between there and and here. 100%. Totally fucking redneck.

00:52:40.02
Mike
Yup.

00:52:39.67
Bill
I mean, I was just like, God damn. I mean, there's there's some fucking redneck areas, but this this is fucking redneck.

00:52:42.55
Mike
Hehehehehehe.

00:52:46.59
Mike
Yep.

00:52:47.39
Bill
Not in a bad way.

00:52:48.52
Mike
Okay.

00:52:48.25
Bill
nobody's been Nobody's been mean to me.

00:52:50.27
Mike
Right.

00:52:50.14
Bill
Nobody's been rude to me. It's just...

00:52:51.57
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:52:52.39
Bill
Fucking redneck time, you know?

00:52:53.61
Mike
Yep.

00:52:54.11
Bill
And... there's not even a chance in hell that I was going to, and I don't know, there's probably, there was probably wasn't dominoes in West Plains, but I literally, it would have been an hour and a half for me to drive back and forth.

00:53:02.87
Mike
Right.

00:53:04.22
Bill
Am I going to do that? you know, so um I went down – it's a gas station. It's whatever it is. it's um God, now I can't think of the – What the fuck what was the name of the... I don't know, whatever it is.

00:53:15.07
Bill
It's this... Kind of this chain that's a lot of times set up in gas stations or whatever.

00:53:19.91
Mike
Mm-hmm

00:53:20.01
Bill
Turned out to be a good pizza, but it's at a gas station.

00:53:22.51
Mike
Right.

00:53:23.16
Bill
So I had looked it up and you know figure it all out and I'm like, okay, that's where I'm gonna go It's like seven minutes away from here Other than that, I don't know where I'd go for fucking pizza. So I go down there. And I park and I figure I'm just going to go in there rather than trying to order online.

00:53:36.36
Bill
I'm like, this is a small town gas station.

00:53:38.04
Mike
who all Right.

00:53:38.46
Bill
Just want to make sure that they understand the technology.

00:53:41.45
Mike
Right.

00:53:42.10
Bill
I'm like, I called earlier today. I said, when I order a pizza, how long will it take? 10 or 15 minutes. I'm thinking, fuck it, I'll go down there and I'll wait. I'm fine.

00:53:49.44
Mike
Yeah, right

00:53:50.74
Bill
so Um, I park and I'm walking in and I see this guy standing. kind of next to this This van. you know and uh

00:53:58.86
Mike
Yeah, what else is he gonna do?

00:54:00.42
Bill
no oh No, I'm sorry. i Actually, i went I went in there. I ordered my pizza night that was going to come out because I wanted to get gas while I was waiting.

00:54:06.23
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:54:07.85
Bill
And this guy's like standing by this thing, and then all of a sudden it's like the door opens. He's on the outside kind of talking to the guy, not really yelling. but talking to somebody on the inside, all the gas pumps are kind of full and it's, you know, two islands.

00:54:20.06
Bill
you know, gas pumps on either side, but you know, kind of full. And this person that he's kind of jawing at is waiting to kind of pull into one of the areas. But somebody's in front of him.

00:54:31.16
Bill
So then I realized, I'm like, well, these guys are fucking arguing. So as I'm walking out this...

00:54:34.33
Mike
ah

00:54:36.45
Bill
Guy comes out of this truck, this younger kid, probably early 20s, but in one of these fucking trucks, big old truck, big old fucking tires lifted up, and he's parked right behind my car.

00:54:46.81
Bill
You know?

00:54:47.37
Mike
Yeah.

00:54:48.03
Bill
And I want to get gas. So. Then I hear these guys are fighting. you know So this guy, this guy.

00:54:52.65
Mike
says

00:54:54.24
Bill
I'll call it slapping you know because the the only thing that kept happening to the guy inside the SUV or the van or whatever he was in, he keeps trying to get out.

00:54:55.87
Mike
Hehehehe.

00:55:02.72
Bill
Redneck from the outside just keeps shutting the door on him. Then he's smacking in. a Baseball hat flies out.

00:55:08.66
Mike
oh

00:55:08.54
Bill
until... And these guys are like, you know... Have a good one. And so I'm just kind of standing there because then this kid, he's kind of starting to walk in and then he's watching the fight. I'm like, oh, fuck. me i'm why I'm sitting here watching rednecks fight.

00:55:20.00
Bill
I want to get by guy want to get gas.

00:55:20.59
Mike
fifth

00:55:21.42
Bill
I got fucking redneck little young redneck in his truck blocking me in. So finally, the the lady from the gas station comes out and she's like, hey. You guys get out of here. Wah-wah. So one guy walks away.

00:55:31.89
Mike
Yeah.

00:55:33.26
Bill
The other one is the cops show up.

00:55:35.19
Mike
Okay.

00:55:34.97
Bill
They're filling out the report with the lady in the... the the gas station. And it is a turnout. I didn't need the the fucking kid in the lift kit truck to move. I could just pull out in front. So I did that.

00:55:45.32
Bill
But I'm like,

00:55:45.59
Mike
Let's drive under them.

00:55:46.97
Bill
It does. That would have been fucking great, wouldn't it?

00:55:50.51
Mike
He he he he he.

00:55:51.02
Bill
if I'm just going to drive under you.

00:55:53.38
Mike
Yep.

00:55:53.27
Bill
But no, i thought I thought there was like curbs in front of us.

00:55:55.66
Mike
uh-huh

00:55:56.29
Bill
But there wasn't, so I was able to just pull out and pull back in and whatever. got It was fine.

00:56:00.16
Mike
it says

00:56:00.60
Bill
um so i waited there and my pizza was great whatever but i'm like jesus christ rednecks fighting You know, so I mean that that was just kind of...

00:56:06.44
Mike
we'll Floor show with your dinner.

00:56:09.37
Bill
yeah Yes. Dinner and a movie.

00:56:11.08
Mike
Yep.

00:56:10.70
Bill
Dinner and a show. um So.

00:56:13.02
Mike
Yep.

00:56:14.86
Bill
You know, again, very beautiful. The redneck stuff, the the fight tonight was just kind of funny.

00:56:17.78
Mike
Hehehehe.

00:56:18.52
Bill
But so this area that I'm in and literally the, um and I was telling Mike and I took pictures and I posted them on Instagram. If if you guys follow us, if you want to take a look, but it is, it's out in literally on the middle of fucking nowhere in this, this house is built in a field, but you drive through and this guy they've got a nice gravel road dug through the woods and you drive through this woods to to get up to here and it opens up and it's nice.

00:56:28.79
Mike
mm-hmm

00:56:38.89
Bill
And, you know, they had pictures, you know, from the on Airbnb about, you know, that. turkeys running around deer and whatever I mean I've seen all that shit before I wasn't really amazed about that possibility

00:56:47.95
Mike
Right.

00:56:49.46
Bill
But when i when I walk, I can walk up and down the kind of the and the path that comes in here. so You know, I don't know. I was here a few days, and I hadn't seen any wildlife at all. You know, I didn't see any deer.

00:57:00.29
Bill
It's not that I've seen plenty of deer. I don't give a fuck. But, I mean, every once in a while, I was like, oh, that's kind of cool.

00:57:02.73
Mike
Right.

00:57:04.62
Bill
There's a deer.

00:57:05.38
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:57:06.19
Bill
But then I'm sitting here working one day and there's... There's a patio door in the bedroom.

00:57:12.15
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:57:12.72
Bill
And there's a patio door on the living room. And I'm just sitting here and I was turned around kind of facing the patio door. But I was on a break and I'm doing something. I was posting something on Instagram on my break. And out of the corner of my eye, I see something walk by the door. I'm like, is that a fucking cat?

00:57:26.26
Bill
So I get up and it wasn't a cat. It was this monstrous fucking groundhog.

00:57:31.24
Mike
me

00:57:32.17
Bill
Just a goddamn groundhog. And I look and he just scurries around the house and he know runs back by the, there's like a little storage container back by where I can park my car under this little like ah covered lean-to type of thing.

00:57:42.99
Mike
yeah

00:57:43.55
Bill
And I'm like, oh, I fucker better not try to crawl up under my car, you know? but yeah i mean it's big i mean like Fucking. Big. Big fat groundhog. And I'm like, well, that's interesting. So. Then I'm walking one day.

00:57:55.32
Bill
And I get to the end of this path right before the woods, and I hear this. I mean, this huge rustle and then this snort. this cool And I'm like, what the fuck?

00:58:02.76
Mike
You know.

00:58:04.46
Bill
There was two deer. And I mean, they weren't that far ahead of me, probably 30 yards ahead of me, but they were in the weeds and they just fucking freaked out.

00:58:10.33
Mike
ah

00:58:14.02
Mike
Mmm.

00:58:14.46
Bill
as soon as they saw me. And, you know, deer snort. Have you ever heard that?

00:58:17.96
Mike
Right, yeah.

00:58:18.91
Bill
yeah it's i mean it's it's fine but it's it's a little disturbing when you're not expecting it because all you hear is this fucking snort and these deer just fucking fled

00:58:22.84
Mike
Right.

00:58:27.34
Bill
And I'm like, Jesus Christ. So that happened that time. Then they were behind the house the one time when they came out. Same goddamn thing. These deer around here, two or three more times after that.

00:58:34.28
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:58:37.65
Bill
you know I mean, they're fucking nuts. you know and i'm like

00:58:39.87
Mike
Hehehehehehe.

00:58:41.38
Bill
Well, you know how deer are sometimes. They see you.

00:58:43.100
Mike
Yeah.

00:58:44.15
Bill
They're like... and then they run no these deer as soon as they get like a whiff of you they fucking

00:58:46.09
Mike
Yeah.

00:58:49.17
Bill
just hightail and fucking run. The ones that were in the back of the house. They tried to get away so quickly the one fell over the fence in the back.

00:58:56.76
Mike
oh

00:58:57.44
Bill
There must be like barbed wire fence.

00:58:57.59
Mike
Hehehehe.

00:58:59.11
Bill
He went to jump it and fell over the fence.

00:59:01.18
Mike
um

00:59:01.75
Bill
And I'm like, What the fuck is wrong with these goddamn deer?

00:59:04.52
Mike
Mmm, well.

00:59:04.96
Bill
now

00:59:05.60
Mike
The rednecks are trying to kill him.

00:59:07.70
Bill
that You know what? It took me a minute, and then I'm like, okay, this makes sense. Because everyone around here's probably got a fucking gun.

00:59:11.38
Mike
Yeah.

00:59:14.07
Mike
Yeah.

00:59:14.65
Bill
You know, and I mean, I'm sure just somebody walked out here just.

00:59:18.02
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:59:19.41
Bill
You know.

00:59:19.28
Mike
I don't need no license. I don't care if for it's deer season or not. I'm fucking shooting it.

00:59:23.73
Bill
Yeah.

00:59:24.45
Mike
It's America. It's my property. It's my gun. It's my deer.

00:59:29.68
Bill
it' It's not America, it's Merica.

00:59:32.37
Mike
yeah That's right.

00:59:33.46
Bill
Yeah, down here it's America.

00:59:34.03
Mike
Hehehe. Right.

00:59:36.04
Bill
But I swear to God, it took me a couple minutes. I'm like, i'm like oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:59:39.93
Mike
Yeah.

00:59:41.42
Bill
Rednecks with guns.

00:59:42.78
Mike
Yup.

00:59:43.07
Bill
and and no shit i mean so now when i when i go outside and and start walking i clap as i'm walking down

00:59:48.95
Mike
ah

00:59:49.68
Bill
Just making noise because what I don't want is, you know, as they're freaking out like that, I want want them to run my way, you know.

00:59:55.37
Mike
Yeah, right

00:59:56.16
Bill
and it'd be what three four hundred pounds of fucking deer wouldn't be run me over i'm like

00:59:57.85
Mike
Oh yeah. Right. Mm hmm.

01:00:00.73
Bill
So in. two times since then and towards the end where they scared me the first time um they've ran off into the field so they've been down there you know so i just you know i'm clapping my ass off as i'm

01:00:08.35
Mike
Yeah.

01:00:11.67
Bill
Fucking... walking down there but um i swear to god they're just they're fucking nuts just fucking nuts So other thing. Have you ever? Ever. in your life and all the travels that you've had have you ever seen a cow in a pot

01:00:24.21
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:00:28.32
Mike
Um, Mm-hmm. Um, I mean, I've seen, I've seen cows in like mud hole kind of pondish, not like a real pond.

01:00:36.03
Bill
It's

01:00:41.18
Mike
I don't think.

01:00:41.80
Bill
Like up to their ankles, maybe drinking. you know, some sort of, yeah, that sort of thing.

01:00:44.03
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah

01:00:46.25
Bill
No, no, no. I mean like up to there up to their shoulders in a pond.

01:00:48.83
Mike
Ah. Okay. um

01:00:50.24
Bill
yeah

01:00:51.05
Mike
Yeah. No, I don't think so.

01:00:54.17
Bill
All over the fucking place. around here.

01:00:55.43
Mike
ah he Well, it's fuck it's fucking hot, isn't it?

01:00:56.83
Bill
I s- it Well, okay, today is fucking 80. Once the sun came out after I stopped reading. it peaked out at about 85 and human i'm like i had my i but when i went up to get pizza i opened up my sunroof and had the windows down it's like like it's fucking nice it's 85 and human i like who feels good

01:01:12.39
Mike
Hmm. Hey.

01:01:15.58
Bill
Because it had it's been 100 degrees. and You know, a little a little bit humid down here.

01:01:17.22
Mike
Yeah, right. Uh huh.

01:01:19.26
Bill
So, yeah, it's been fucking hot.

01:01:20.77
Mike
Yeah.

01:01:21.38
Bill
But so yeah on my way in driving down one of these fucking country roads I'm looking over to the left and I like what the fuck and I'm like, you know you your brain doesn't really. you know register but yeah i swear to god there's these they're There was like four or five of them.

01:01:31.01
Mike
Yeah.

01:01:36.30
Mike
Yeah.

01:01:36.83
Bill
in this pod and they're up up to their, like up to their shoulders, you know, and just standing there.

01:01:40.25
Mike
Yeah. Yeah, just standing there, right? yeah It's fucking hot.

01:01:44.64
Bill
Ha ha!

01:01:44.38
Mike
How you doing? Hehehehehehe.

01:01:45.72
Bill
Yeah. And that's exactly what I thought. I'm like, huh, it's fucking hot. I mean, what what else would they be doing?

01:01:52.79
Mike
Right.

01:01:52.84
Bill
But I'm like. i've been i've been I've been some places.

01:01:56.80
Mike
Yes.

01:01:57.53
Bill
I've seen some cows

01:01:57.80
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

01:02:00.02
Bill
Never.

01:01:59.97
Mike
the The famous Missouri aquatic cows. Mer-cows.

01:02:04.80
Bill
It's it even when I... he when When I went down to get my pizza tonight, um I don't know, like my it said or whatever it is, probably five miles down the road to get to pizza. A mile, mile and a half, maybe two miles down the road.

01:02:17.84
Bill
Look over the left. There's like six of them the fucking bottom to their shoulders just sitting there

01:02:24.28
Mike
innocent

01:02:24.50
Bill
It's the stupidest goddamn thing on earth, but I 100 % exactly what you said. Well, it's hot there, isn't it? I'm like, yeah, I mean, why? Again, why wouldn't they be? But I'm just like, what the fuck is wrong with these goddamn animals around here?

01:02:37.43
Mike
Apparently nothing. They're smart enough to fucking get in the water.

01:02:40.63
Bill
Yeah. um I, you know, the more I thought about it, exactly what you just said, I'm like, and maybe they're, maybe that's why they have these ponds and these. But I don't know. It's usually not that fucking hot. Maybe it is that hot here. I don't know. I've never been in.

01:02:53.42
Bill
When I've been in Missouri, I mean, it's been... I've never been in the summer. here. Arkansas I have been.

01:02:59.10
Mike
Alright. Yeah.

01:03:00.38
Bill
Um, Arkansas, Kentucky. I'm trying to think where I went last year. I was in southern Illinois over the 4th of July or whatever. But, um well, yeah, Labor Day weekend. I was in Branson one year, a couple years ago.

01:03:11.31
Bill
But, I mean, it wasn't this. This is, well, it's been hotter. in all these different places. But um I don't know.

01:03:15.16
Mike
Right.

01:03:16.54
Bill
Again, I just never. i was I was so interested to hear if you ever see fucking cows just standing there. Anyone, anyone out there, have you ever seen cows just standing in the water like that?

01:03:27.92
Bill
Info at sober not .mature .com.

01:03:29.89
Mike
Right.

01:03:30.78
Bill
Send me a fucking picture. but i I mean, I've seen it already. I guess I don't really need to see it anymore. but And it was just fucking funny. Funny and fuck. So. All right, so... um On to some recovery stuff now that we're done with fucking cows. so I was thinking, and I'll kind of tell you why, just kind of what what came into my mind. you know Obviously, ninth month of the year, ninth step, and blah, blah, blah, all that sort of stuff. And you know it's it's one of the ones that you know it it comes up in conversation with you and I on a semi-regular basis. um

01:04:00.59
Bill
You know, kind of being that the fact that the the ninth step is never done. that's The whole thing with the guy, that you and I know the guy that you were talking about.

01:04:07.05
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:04:06.83
Bill
that Obviously, it should have took the purest one time. And when you asked Don, hey, Don.

01:04:11.89
Mike
Right.

01:04:12.53
Bill
When did you finish up your ninth step?

01:04:15.31
Mike
He's still working on it.

01:04:17.08
Bill
Eh, dude with 50 fucking years of sobriety, he's still fucking working on it, so...

01:04:19.36
Mike
Yep.

01:04:21.44
Bill
um And I mean, You pick where to start, but i mean just in a general sense, i mean the ninth step, and i guess maybe if you I think you'll agree, but you know it is one of the big ones. It's one that, even though all these steps can come up on ah on a regular basis, on a daily basis, and we work certain ones all the time, I think the ninth step is the one that kind of could pop in front of us on ah on a more regular basis and maybe unexpectedly.

01:04:43.24
Bill
I don't know. i mean what are your What are your thoughts on that? Why is it never done? When's the last time maybe it popped up on you, or how do you handle it? I don't even know where to start with it. I thought it might be interesting. enough.

01:04:52.15
Mike
Right. Yeah. Ninth step. um Well, I don't know. probably like actually read it ah

01:05:00.82
Bill
Do you want me to look it up? Read the action.

01:05:02.20
Mike
and Let me see if I can get it here quickly enough.

01:05:05.45
Bill
Okay.

01:05:05.38
Mike
ah Maybe. Haha, because I was doing something else. Hey, how about that? uh so show title shit while you were talking um let's see uh Uh, no.

01:05:18.37
Bill
I actually have it right here.

01:05:19.57
Mike
Okay, do it.

01:05:20.63
Bill
Step nine of Alcoholics Anonymous is made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.

01:05:28.98
Mike
Right.

01:05:30.24
Bill
Right.

01:05:29.92
Mike
All right. Right. So. Right. um Well, the the ninth step, let's see, is followed by the eighth step. And the eighth step is made a list of all persons we had harmed and became willing to make amends to them all.

01:05:39.23
Bill
Right.

01:05:45.59
Mike
And then the ninth step is making those amends.

01:05:48.42
Bill
Right.

01:05:48.75
Mike
um So being willing to make amends to all the people we harmed. um Yes. it's Again. We look back at our. at our drinking and using careers. And we hurt a lot of fucking people.

01:06:03.54
Mike
you know um if you haven't heard us discuss these sort of things before um you know we talked about the eighth step and we said well so you know the list right i just said everybody everybody i've ever come in contact with ever in my life um i did some sort of harm to them and yes it's kind of joking but it's also kind of fucking true

01:06:20.45
Bill
Right.

01:06:24.47
Mike
Now, I did make an actual formal list and all that good stuff. But yeah, you know, the general idea was, yeah, everybody I've ever come in contact with before I got sober, I... i affected them in a negative way one way or another i'm absolutely certain of that

01:06:40.03
Bill
Right.

01:06:40.46
Mike
um You know, even the people that, you know, just if if it's mild, if it's, you know, and they didn't even notice and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, I was a pretty shitty person for a very long time.

01:06:50.63
Bill
Right.

01:06:50.80
Mike
um So, yes, the ninth step, making amends to the people we had harmed, except when to do so would injure them or others. Notice they didn't write. or ourselves in there.

01:07:02.44
Bill
Hehehehe.

01:07:02.82
Mike
ah Right. So, um yeah, making amends. and And we've talked about it before, but I mean, the ninth step for me. Why it never ends is because I'm never going to be able to.

01:07:17.74
Mike
make up for all the bad things I did.

01:07:20.01
Bill
Right.

01:07:20.20
Mike
You know, I'm just, i'm i'm I'm comfortable with that. Now, that doesn't... keep me from trying to make up for it. um You know, as the good alcoholic that I am, you know, ah'll well, there's no way I could ever do it. So I'll just, yeah right. You know, that's, that's the old me. Um,

01:07:37.34
Mike
So that's why it never ends, because I'm never going to be able to completely make everything right. I'm never going to be able to right all the wrongs that I did. Um, What? Yes, I will continue to try.

01:07:48.88
Mike
And a big part of the night step for me, and I know for you too, is is the living amends. you know you know

01:07:54.77
Bill
Right.

01:07:56.27
Mike
keeping sober, continuing to try to do good things. um You know, making our little corner of the world a better place is part of the ninth step. Absolutely. for me um Yeah, so, you know, yeah, just making up and, you know.

01:08:13.21
Mike
Right. we We go to these people. We do. excuse me um you know have some of the conversations and all that stuff with the people that are close to us you know hopefully that's part of what you're doing um but that never again that

01:08:27.13
Mike
That doesn't complete the ninth step. of You know, just sitting down with a loved one that has been part of your life for a very long time and saying, you know, look, I'm sorry. I realized what I did, that I hurt you and and I did some really rotten things and I stole from you and, and you know.

01:08:43.69
Mike
maybe money, maybe time, maybe feelings, maybe whatever, you know, but I stole from you. Absolutely. um

01:08:50.25
Bill
right

01:08:51.05
Mike
And... So you have that conversation and and they go, yeah, I understand. And yes, you did hurt me, but you know, we're going to move on because we still care about each other and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right. Okay.

01:09:04.70
Mike
It doesn't mean the fucking you're complete you've completed the ninth step with that person.

01:09:08.05
Bill
Right?

01:09:09.00
Mike
right? Oh, we're okay now. Cool. I can just go do whatever the fuck I want now. No, it's, it's the ninth. never ends because We have to continue. making amends. We have to continue to be, try to be good people, better people than we were yesterday. that to me, is all part of the ninth step.

01:09:30.85
Mike
So, um yeah, I don't know. You got anything to add to that?

01:09:35.69
Bill
Well, and you know, the the biggest thing that... um that you just that you just said that I think is is something that, I don't know, I probably didn't get it to begin with, is that that that first... um Maybe that first conversation that you have with somebody, not necessarily thinking that I'm done, but, you know. then I'm cool now. But then we realize that, okay,

01:09:58.38
Bill
But there's more to it that it's that living immense. And for all those people that, you know, and I think that we we laughed about it when you. When you said it to begin with, when, you know, yeah, you're aced up, just everyone.

01:10:09.69
Bill
you know just fucking everyone which

01:10:09.94
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:10:12.63
Bill
I never thought about it that way, but even though you make up this list and stuff like that, yeah, when it comes down to it, it's like, well, yeah, everyone, fucking everyone, you know?

01:10:16.16
Mike
Right? Mmm. Mmm. Yeah. Right.

01:10:20.95
Bill
that The person that I, that I don't know, I said something. mean to when I was ah you know this age at that place in that time of my life. you know i I was shitty to them.

01:10:30.75
Bill
You know?

01:10:31.21
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.

01:10:32.32
Bill
but But the way that I can make amends to people. you know, in in general, or if nothing else, I can make amends to society and just, you know, kind of, I don't want to say the universe, but, you know, if you're just doing good things out there, then that that is supposed to be.

01:10:35.33
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:10:40.83
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:10:43.59
Mike
Yeah, right. Yeah.

01:10:48.95
Bill
you know, along the lines of, you know, kind of filling in the blanks for maybe people either that you will never see again, never had the ability to, maybe you somehow missed, whatever the case is, not on purpose, but maybe you missed.

01:10:55.66
Mike
Right.

01:10:58.57
Mike
Mm hmm. Right. Yeah, um some of them are gone.

01:11:02.48
Bill
Hmm.

01:11:02.20
Mike
Some of them are dead.

01:11:03.55
Bill
Exactly.

01:11:04.20
Mike
Yeah

01:11:05.16
Bill
and you know And my my dad was ah was a good example of that.

01:11:08.06
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:11:07.80
Bill
i mean my My dad died 30 days before I got sober.

01:11:10.98
Mike
Right.

01:11:11.61
Bill
If anyone hasn't listened to my story, it's the first episode on here. Listen to it, and you know you'll you'll kind of get what I've talked about it plenty of times. It's not worth bringing up at this point, but I was not necessarily the greatest.

01:11:19.07
Mike
Sure.

01:11:23.80
Bill
I wasn't the greatest person to but to begin with that last 30 days and when I first got sober and blah, blah, blah.

01:11:27.51
Mike
Mmm.

01:11:29.15
Bill
or when he died. so

01:11:30.17
Mike
Right.

01:11:31.46
Bill
you know i mean i I think you know at some point I probably you know had these you know one of those graveside conversations, I'm sure, because you know his body was spread all over the earth and in that area.

01:11:38.70
Mike
Hmm.

01:11:41.88
Mike
Right.

01:11:43.95
Bill
We burned him up and dumped him and you know dumped his body on top of our grandpa's grave.

01:11:44.01
Mike
Yeah.

01:11:47.72
Mike
Mm-hmm

01:11:48.28
Bill
you know So I'm sure that I had some sort of... outward conversation at that point or got some shit off my chest at that point.

01:11:53.07
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:11:54.46
Bill
But here's the other thing that I did though, is that I, you know, things that I knew.

01:11:54.65
Mike
Right?

01:11:58.63
Bill
um you know that I could make myself a better person for, not necessarily you know to him, but I've become a person that I know he would have been proud of.

01:12:02.23
Mike
the

01:12:08.25
Mike
Right.

01:12:08.28
Bill
you know And people that... that know me now can be can be proud of me can be around me um want to be part of my life and want me to be part of their life you know so so you do things kind of in

01:12:13.97
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:12:18.00
Mike
Right.

01:12:21.09
Bill
I don't want to even say in memory of, but okay, so I can never i could never be the the kind of guy I wanted to be for him, but the kind of guy I am now is the kind of guy he would have enjoyed.

01:12:23.23
Mike
Hm?

01:12:28.47
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:12:31.47
Bill
you know

01:12:31.64
Mike
Right. Yeah, exactly. and And, you know, I mean, to take it even a step further, you know, you you look back, we you know, we get to look back with it. clear head, sober mind, and and and go, okay, well, he, you know.

01:12:41.20
Bill
Bye.

01:12:45.17
Mike
even though i didn't get it time and i certainly didn't implement it at the time but he tried to teach me you know, A, B and C, whatever the fuck they are. I'm going to take those things now and incorporate them in my life and use them.

01:12:57.97
Mike
And yeah, you know, that's. You know, and it's not even sometimes a conscious thing. It's just, you know.

01:13:03.33
Bill
Right.

01:13:03.74
Mike
yeah you just in his memory i'm gonna be a better person i'm gonna use this thing that he tried to teach me And i'm goingnna I'm going to learn from it. I'm actually going to finally get it.

01:13:14.32
Mike
And yeah.

01:13:14.87
Bill
Right.

01:13:15.04
Mike
yeah you know that's that's again i think all part of the ninth step

01:13:19.58
Bill
Right. Well, and and the other thing, too, is that we've talked about this, the whole fact of it. that a big part of it not being done is, you know, who knows whether it's, you know, tomorrow or next week or next month or whatever the deal is at, at some point.

01:13:28.46
Mike
Hmm.

01:13:31.32
Mike
Mmm.

01:13:32.75
Bill
And it's happened to me on numerous occasions so far. um I've been either walking down the street or whatever this is.

01:13:35.88
Mike
Right? Mm hmm.

01:13:39.20
Bill
Things come up where I run into people.

01:13:41.75
Mike
Well.

01:13:42.44
Bill
that were in my life before I got sober and I have not so i have not had the opportunity to see them or speak to them.

01:13:44.01
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.

01:13:48.63
Mike
All right.

01:13:49.20
Bill
since I've gotten sober. And as soon as it it's like, the The way that i that I know that I'm on the right path, at least, if nothing else, is that when I see those individuals, there's two things that I can do as ah as an alcoholic, whether I'm sober or not now, or maybe this is to the degree of my sobriety.

01:13:55.68
Mike
Mm hmm. Hmm.

01:14:02.14
Mike
Right.

01:14:05.41
Mike
Hmm?

01:14:05.77
Bill
is I could be like, oh, fuck, and I could walk the other way.

01:14:08.44
Mike
Yep.

01:14:09.23
Bill
Or I can look at them and go, ah, fuck, I owe them a conversation and walk up and walk up to them.

01:14:11.81
Mike
Yeah. Yep.

01:14:13.72
Bill
you know and i don't mean off in a bad way it's just like up You know.

01:14:15.74
Mike
but No, yeah.

01:14:17.44
Bill
Okay. It's well, okay, here we go.

01:14:19.22
Mike
Yeah, yeah, I'll fuck.

01:14:18.81
Bill
Here we go.

01:14:20.07
Mike
i gotta God damn it, I gotta do something. I got to take i one of those pesky actions, motherfucker.

01:14:22.96
Bill
hey

01:14:26.24
Bill
Right? Yeah. And I've literally said that to people before. I mean, it happened to an old boss who I ended up going back to work for. It's happened to friends.

01:14:33.36
Mike
um

01:14:33.91
Bill
It's happened to you know people I've run across on you know social media.

01:14:34.18
Mike
um Yeah. Mm hmm.

01:14:37.15
Bill
And like I owe you a conversation.

01:14:37.93
Mike
Hmm?

01:14:39.94
Bill
And you know sometimes people are like, what are you talking about?

01:14:40.21
Mike
Yeah.

01:14:41.96
Bill
I'm like, yeah, when you have a minute, I owe you.

01:14:42.29
Mike
Right.

01:14:44.03
Bill
I owe you a conversation.

01:14:44.37
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:14:45.22
Bill
you know.

01:14:46.36
Mike
Yep.

01:14:47.21
Bill
And then it's just like... Okay. i this is this is what i did and this is who i was and you know just kind of it's the the beautiful part about making amends to people and i think both of us got lucky

01:14:52.16
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:14:58.92
Bill
fortunate if nothing else the people had the grace of not you know like lashing out at us when we came up to them i didn't have i didn't have anyone shut any doors who told me to fuck off or anything like that um

01:15:00.32
Mike
Mmm.

01:15:03.79
Mike
Right. Yeah.

01:15:07.71
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:15:10.05
Bill
I think the worst that I had. anyone say to me was from you know my from Dawn, my my son's mom.

01:15:15.80
Mike
uh-huh

01:15:15.50
Bill
And all that she did was she was exactly honest. She just said, I will never forget.

01:15:18.98
Mike
Yeah. Mm hmm.

01:15:22.34
Bill
anything that you ever did, but I i will forgive you.

01:15:23.78
Mike
Right? Yep.

01:15:25.66
Bill
That's it. What I mean?

01:15:26.38
Mike
Yeah. Yeah, what the fuck more do you want?

01:15:27.38
Bill
Yeah. Yeah.

01:15:29.04
Mike
Yep.

01:15:30.42
Bill
you know and again if that's the worst thing that i had that's like oh she's never gonna forget this well fuck you

01:15:32.20
Mike
and Mm-hmm.

01:15:36.45
Mike
Yeah, right. yeah

01:15:37.55
Bill
Yeah.

01:15:39.07
Mike
Yeah. Good. Yeah.

01:15:40.88
Bill
Yeah.

01:15:40.69
Mike
and And if you see me being fucking stupid, remind me, please.

01:15:44.93
Bill
Correct. Yeah. Yep.

01:15:46.56
Mike
Since your memory is probably better than mine because I burned out some fucking brain cells along the way.

01:15:51.49
Bill
Right?

01:15:52.11
Mike
Hehehehe.

01:15:52.40
Bill
Well, this is it this is the same beautiful soul that was going to punch me in the in the fucking face if I drank you know when i when I was joking about having a margarita.

01:15:55.93
Mike
Yep.

01:15:59.84
Mike
Mm-hmm

01:15:59.54
Bill
and you know shit I will punch you in the fucking face.

01:16:02.69
Mike
Hehehehehehehehehehehehe.

01:16:04.02
Bill
ah Thank you. I appreciate that.

01:16:05.25
Mike
Thank you, yes

01:16:06.29
Bill
I'm serious. I know.

01:16:07.69
Mike
but I know.

01:16:07.85
Bill
That's why I think it's so fucking funny because i know I know how serious you are.

01:16:08.44
Mike
Please do.

01:16:12.32
Mike
Yeah. Yeah, I know the place of love that it comes from.

01:16:13.48
Bill
I know. Yeah.

01:16:17.31
Bill
Yeah.

01:16:17.23
Mike
So thank you. Yes.

01:16:18.34
Bill
Yeah.

01:16:18.100
Mike
Yeah, I've had those too, right? You know, make a joke about whatever, having a drink or whatever. Yeah, I've done it around people and they're just like. I'll fucking kick your ass. Okay, thank you. You know, I appreciate the love.

01:16:30.21
Mike
I appreciate the concern and the care.

01:16:31.06
Bill
Yeah.

01:16:33.01
Mike
Please do.

01:16:32.85
Bill
Right?

01:16:33.82
Mike
Kick my ass.

01:16:35.04
Bill
Yeah, exactly exactly. But I don't know. just I think that, you know once again, I know that we we bring up this this. we bring up the ninth step on such a regular basis.

01:16:44.57
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:16:45.26
Bill
I thought it'd be, you know, just worth it to have that conversation.

01:16:45.84
Mike
Yeah.

01:16:47.99
Bill
And, you know, and it is, it's, ah it's.

01:16:48.70
Mike
Yeah.

01:16:50.78
Bill
Once again, it's not that. um you know, the the sixth and seventh that we deal with every day and the, you know, one through three, we know, you know, you even say it, du you work those, you work those.

01:16:55.78
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:16:58.40
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:17:00.79
Mike
Yep.

01:17:01.08
Bill
you know before you get out of bed in the morning. And I know it's you know as I sit down to do my readings, I do that every every single day.

01:17:02.51
Mike
I do.

01:17:06.60
Bill
you know And you know the 10th step I do every day, 11th to 12th, I know I'm working those into my life on a daily basis.

01:17:06.96
Mike
Well. Yep. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

01:17:12.70
Bill
But it's that ninth step. It's that one that' that that we still have to take that that action with another person when when we have that opportunity.

01:17:19.42
Mike
Yeah.

01:17:20.98
Bill
Maybe that's why it's so glaring into your in our minds.

01:17:20.87
Mike
Yep.

01:17:23.41
Bill
It's just that, well, that that's the one that involves somebody else right now. It's got to.

01:17:27.41
Mike
hu

01:17:27.81
Bill
You know, like you said, fuck.

01:17:28.68
Mike
Right.

01:17:30.32
Bill
yeah

01:17:30.88
Mike
Hehehehe.

01:17:31.43
Bill
do I got to do one of them action things.

01:17:33.75
Mike
God damn it. Simple program of action. Thanks, fucking Bill Wilson.

01:17:36.54
Bill
okay Yeah. Fucking Bill Wilson.

01:17:40.83
Mike
Simple my ass.

01:17:42.89
Bill
Yeah, exactly So anything else with the 9-step?

01:17:44.27
Mike
Hehehehehehe.

01:17:46.31
Bill
Anything else that, again, on this one that we either that we want to expand on or anything else?

01:17:46.86
Mike
All right.

01:17:50.95
Mike
Now. Yeah.

01:17:51.72
Bill
Okay.

01:17:52.33
Mike
Stay tuned for another episode. it Maybe next September, we'll do it again.

01:17:57.30
Bill
Yeah, or who knows?

01:17:57.45
Mike
He'll probably end up doing it before then.

01:18:00.09
Bill
Yeah, it'll...

01:18:00.18
Mike
Because guess what?

01:18:00.51
Bill
ah

01:18:00.61
Mike
That fucker never ends.

01:18:02.63
Bill
Right. Yeah. It just, and it does it, it'll come up in conversation a week from now or two weeks from now easily.

01:18:05.71
Mike
Yeah. Mm-hmm

01:18:08.77
Bill
All right, so um um so I'm going through Instagram the other day. I just, you know, scrolling through some stuff and there's a, and I. No, I'm not going to mention a podcast name.

01:18:19.57
Bill
um Again, I'm looking at it and I'm like, i don't I don't need to.

01:18:19.14
Mike
uhu

01:18:22.97
Bill
I don't need to So I'm just not going to, but. So i'm scrolling through in one of the podcasts, you know, one of the many that that does videos and ah does videos with the.

01:18:30.80
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:18:33.22
Bill
ah with the scripts out of the dialogue, you know, Adam.

01:18:35.77
Mike
Okay.

01:18:36.74
Bill
And. I'm reading it. and you know the The words that are running across there catch my eye right away. and says And it says, I'm tired of the word sober. And I'm like. What now?

01:18:47.98
Mike
Yeah.

01:18:48.28
Bill
Yeah. ah I'm like, what the fuck? Now.

01:18:52.39
Mike
uh-huh

01:18:52.28
Bill
you know and And this was an individual that had said some some other thing. It's not the individual that we bitched about in the past.

01:18:58.58
Mike
Go ahead.

01:18:59.74
Bill
that it's not that It's not that one.

01:19:00.39
Mike
Right? Right.

01:19:02.32
Bill
This is it.

01:19:02.17
Mike
It's not that we can't call ourselves alcoholics anymore.

01:19:05.51
Bill
Correct.

01:19:05.65
Mike
It's another one.

01:19:05.94
Bill
Yes. Yeah, it's not that. it is It is another one. But so this this individual says that, well, the individual's been... and And as it said, I didn't listen to the clip. I was just reading it.

01:19:15.71
Mike
okay

01:19:16.50
Bill
Been alcohol-free since 2013.

01:19:18.95
Mike
ha

01:19:19.72
Bill
Feels that the word is too overused. almost like a marketing term.

01:19:25.30
Mike
Yeah.

01:19:25.63
Bill
and stating that the word sober was never meant to be a destination. now just let we Sit on that for a minute because I'm guessing you have you have a mindset, ah you have a thought on that.

01:19:32.62
Mike
Okay. Hmm. Hmm. uh-huh

01:19:35.94
Bill
but then starts talking about some... biblical shit, okay?

01:19:39.63
Mike
Aha.

01:19:40.20
Bill
somebody talking about uh you know somebody from this bible thing being sober-minded and saying that we can still be Being sober-minded was, I guess... from this Bible verse, whatever he was talking about.

01:19:50.99
Mike
who

01:19:51.49
Bill
um something about being you know having your mind free and all these different things whatever and i i don't i don't know anything about that but i'm like okay i got i got the concept but i'm just kind of listening to it and then saying that you know the So the individual is talking about, you know i can still be I could be alcohol-free and I could be distracted and I could still have my mind full of stuff.

01:20:00.97
Mike
yeah

01:20:08.42
Bill
I could be addicted to my phone and this and blah, blah, blah. And I'm just like...

01:20:12.25
Mike
Clearly.

01:20:13.22
Bill
I'm just like, Jesus fucking Christ. You know, and I'm just like, what what the fuck, you know?

01:20:18.47
Mike
uh-huh

01:20:19.31
Bill
So let's let's go back to... the The line was... um saying or feeling that the word is too overused number one now we're talking about the word sober Okay.

01:20:28.58
Mike
there

01:20:29.62
Bill
Just as a reminder.

01:20:30.96
Mike
Yep.

01:20:32.19
Bill
Almost like a marketing term and stating that the word was never meant to be a destination. so Let's stop on that for a minute because I'm guessing you might have a thought on that.

01:20:36.97
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:20:41.46
Mike
I've got a couple.

01:20:42.68
Bill
Okay, go ahead.

01:20:42.97
Mike
All right, so this person is... alcohol-free Right. they They prefer that. Yet. they could be alcohol-free and have their minds still all fucked up.

01:20:57.75
Bill
Right?

01:20:57.94
Mike
right? This is what this person said. i'm I have.

01:21:00.10
Bill
Yeah.

01:21:00.29
Mike
Making sure I have this right.

01:21:01.77
Bill
Yep.

01:21:01.56
Mike
Okay. Yes. And sober sounds like a destination. Yeah, no shit, asshole. Yes, you can be alcohol free and your mind's still fucked up. Sober is a destination.

01:21:19.30
Mike
Yes, I am sober today. Now, does that mean that I am there? No! It means I'm working towards it and I'm a hell of a lot more sober than I was.

01:21:29.38
Mike
And yes, part of that is being alcohol free. But.

01:21:33.46
Bill
Right.

01:21:34.34
Mike
That's just changing my breath. Right? I want to be sober, and and I think I am sober today. Can I be more sober? Absolutely. It is a destination that I will never fucking get to.

01:21:48.85
Mike
But I am sober today. I am, I think more clearly.

01:21:51.26
Bill
Right.

01:21:53.36
Mike
i I have peace of mind. My mind, yes, it's full of shit, but not as much as it used to be.

01:21:59.54
Bill
a

01:22:00.84
Mike
And and it's pretty goddamn peaceful in here.

01:22:01.19
Bill
Right?

01:22:05.92
Mike
Like Joe. ah Our sponsor says the Cowboys and Indians aren't up there fighting each other anymore.

01:22:12.72
Bill
Right.

01:22:13.15
Mike
That's fucking sober. That's sobriety to me. Yes, I am sober. Yes, I'm alcohol free. I was alcohol free day one at the fucking Keating Center. I was not sober.

01:22:24.89
Mike
So this person complaining and and and the terms don't fit needs to fucking look at the words that they used because what do we say?

01:22:25.77
Bill
Right.

01:22:36.21
Mike
Words mean things. Yes, and the words that this person used. Um, we're exactly. day. She, I'm assuming? No, he.

01:22:45.74
Bill
Nope.

01:22:46.14
Mike
Oh, God, even better.

01:22:46.79
Bill
Hmm?

01:22:47.52
Mike
Yes. Alan Carolla was right. In 50 years, we'll all be chicks.

01:22:51.35
Bill
Hehehehe.

01:22:51.74
Mike
Um... ah Sorry, ladies. You know what I mean. Um... Huh? Yeah. yeah The words you used were absolutely correct. Yes, you're alcohol-free. Yes, your head's all full of shit. And yes, so sober is a destination. And I hope that you...

01:23:09.31
Mike
that you Get sober. Sued. Because otherwise you're going to fucking a blow your brains out.

01:23:16.15
Bill
Right. And it just, the the thing of it is, and here's here's what i here's what I think. And...

01:23:21.43
Mike
Well.

01:23:22.63
Bill
And there's been, this is the. There was an an individual that we had talked about. Um, got a couple of months ago that didn't feel comfortable. with the with the identification of alcoholic anymore.

01:23:35.32
Mike
Uh huh. Huh?

01:23:36.25
Bill
Same person. Okay.

01:23:37.62
Mike
Okay.

01:23:38.04
Bill
um but Completely and it just said that it it didn't. feel like it fit him anymore and when you and i were talking about i'm like ah

01:23:44.02
Mike
Mm hmm. Right?

01:23:47.07
Bill
Both of you were... You and I are the same opinion with that.

01:23:50.04
Mike
Mmm.

01:23:49.91
Bill
I don't give a flying fuck what anyone wants to call themselves.

01:23:53.11
Mike
Right?

01:23:53.64
Bill
you know because the The key is is that like like you say and we've talked about is that The the whole idea is that... Not just changing your breath, number one. We've talked about that.

01:24:03.20
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:24:03.61
Bill
I hope that's the most elementary thing that people everyone understands.

01:24:07.03
Mike
Right.

01:24:06.87
Bill
It's not just about that. There's going to be more work involved. It just has to be. you know.

01:24:10.47
Mike
Yeah, has to be.

01:24:11.55
Bill
It just has to be in the same thing. Like, you know, getting. if It's the same concept as if if you wanted to get... you know physically healthy and and all you did was stop

01:24:20.17
Mike
ah

01:24:22.83
Bill
you know eating junk food

01:24:24.35
Mike
Right.

01:24:24.54
Bill
You know, if you're... if you're in No offense to anyone. if you're If you're overweight, you're overweight. You're dealing with some stuff. I get it. i i

01:24:30.65
Mike
Sure.

01:24:31.24
Bill
I feel for people that have you know struggles with that. I really do.

01:24:34.05
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:24:34.82
Bill
you know but If you want to... get healthy. And I'm not even saying losing weight. If you want to get healthy in all that you do is stop eating.

01:24:40.75
Mike
Yep.

01:24:43.47
Bill
Fast food.

01:24:44.85
Mike
Right?

01:24:45.52
Bill
you're probably not going to get healthy.

01:24:47.26
Mike
Right.

01:24:47.50
Bill
You know, there's more things that you're going to have to do. You're going to have to change a lot of things.

01:24:51.35
Mike
Yeah.

01:24:51.58
Bill
You're going to have to change lifestyle and habits and all those sort of things.

01:24:54.51
Mike
Huh?

01:24:54.26
Bill
The same as we do when we when we quit drinking.

01:24:55.64
Mike
Yeah.

01:24:57.08
Bill
because we just Just get rid of the booze.

01:24:57.58
Mike
Right.

01:24:58.88
Bill
i I'd be a fucking mess. You know, i'm still I'm still a fucking mess and I've done some work.

01:25:00.99
Mike
Oh yeah. Yes.

01:25:03.98
Bill
You know?

01:25:04.98
Mike
Right.

01:25:05.01
Bill
I've done a lot of goddamn work, I think.

01:25:06.54
Mike
Yeah. mm-hmm

01:25:07.43
Bill
But... so Whether or not this individual wants to call himself an alcoholic or not, don't care.

01:25:13.13
Mike
Right.

01:25:13.32
Bill
you know He just didn't think that that term you know't fit him anymore because all the things that maybe as he's grown, and I'm like, I get that.

01:25:13.70
Mike
Nope.

01:25:19.95
Bill
You grew beyond a word, and I'm fine with that.

01:25:20.40
Mike
Yeah.

01:25:22.45
Bill
But then to go now after the word sober and do this.

01:25:22.11
Mike
Sure.

01:25:26.04
Bill
So now here's what I'm thinking. Okay, and I i might be...

01:25:28.13
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:25:30.33
Bill
I don't know. I might be looking at this the wrong way. But then when we were looking at the other person. you know saying that oh can't use the word alcoholic anymore everything's outdated you know we were thinking this person was doing it just to get the the clicks and the likes and the in the things

01:25:37.95
Mike
Right. Mm hmm.

01:25:43.41
Mike
Right.

01:25:44.05
Bill
and The more I'm looking at this, I'm like either. the dude's illusional dude's illusional the dude is dis

01:25:51.46
Mike
Delusional. Yes.

01:25:54.47
Bill
I...

01:25:54.65
Mike
Dude-lutional.

01:25:55.16
Bill
I... Yeah, as I said, the dude is the dude is lusional.

01:25:56.71
Mike
Hehehe.

01:25:59.25
Mike
Yes.

01:25:59.40
Bill
I don't... Fuck it, I like that better. Okay, I'm just i'm not even going to correct myself.

01:26:01.40
Mike
Yes.

01:26:02.84
Bill
The dude is illusional.

01:26:03.11
Mike
but Yes.

01:26:05.52
Bill
Okay, that's what um I'm sticking with that because it fits.

01:26:07.53
Mike
Yep. yep Yeah.

01:26:08.64
Bill
um Or... He's trying to... gather likes in all this different stuff, which...

01:26:15.55
Mike
Yeah, reactions, whatever, right?

01:26:17.88
Bill
which Which is weird because the other thing that he talks about all the time is how you know how much social media is is dragging on people and this and that.

01:26:19.61
Mike
Yeah.

01:26:24.87
Mike
o

01:26:25.28
Bill
And the other thing, and i'm you know I'm kind of thinking, okay, then this is a real fucked up way.

01:26:25.95
Mike
<unk>

01:26:28.45
Bill
If you're if you're promoting all this stuff where you're like, social media is this and that. I mean, I get it. Dude's got a podcast. We as podcasters have to do some things. I would not be, I probably would have, not probably, I don't know that I ever would have gotten on Instagram and had not been for this thing.

01:26:36.49
Mike
Sure.

01:26:42.37
Mike
Right.

01:26:42.73
Bill
And I don't be i don't begrudge it.

01:26:43.19
Mike
Yeah.

01:26:44.21
Bill
I don't begrudge the time i I spend on there. I manage.

01:26:46.43
Mike
Right.

01:26:46.90
Bill
my time now.

01:26:48.19
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:26:48.69
Bill
And if I don't have time to get on there, if I'm busy doing something, you know what? All you people that follow us on Instagram, we love you to death, but fuck you. I'm out on a hiking trail or I'm out spending time with my family or I'm out doing something with my kids.

01:26:55.77
Mike
youre Right. Yo. Yeah.

01:26:59.40
Bill
So, so fuck you.

01:27:01.37
Mike
Yeah.

01:27:01.58
Bill
You know, I, I do the things that I, that I want and need to do on those days and on the days I don't, you know.

01:27:04.69
Mike
Mm-hmm Yeah. Yeah.

01:27:07.44
Bill
um So then I'm like, okay, well, maybe you're doing that. Or maybe you're just losing your fucking mind. I don't know.

01:27:12.68
Mike
Right? Very possible.

01:27:13.43
Bill
you know, But here's the other here's the other thing, and this is... This is what I mean, and I never would have. I... I wanted to comment on on the post at one point, but then I'm like, it's not fucking worth it because I don't even know. I don't know what I'd say and how I'd say it. Whatever I said is not going to come across the way that I would like it to, and all it's going to do is stir shit. I don't need to do that in my life.

01:27:31.60
Mike
aha

01:27:32.62
Bill
But here's here's the funniest part. Sober. It's in the person's podcast name.

01:27:38.14
Mike
Of course.

01:27:39.46
Bill
so Here's what I... this is This is what I wanted to post. Well. If you've got such a problem with the word sober, are you going to change your name to alcohol-free?

01:27:51.42
Mike
Right.

01:27:52.59
Bill
You know, because I know for a fact there's no way in the world that this guy's got, you know, it's just like us. I mean, that I know of podcasts that have changed their names, and they they've come out of it well.

01:28:03.77
Bill
But, I mean, that's a hard thing. When when companies go through, when regular companies go through mergers or acquisitions or whatever it is, um you know, even stadiums, you know, I mean, anything like that, when when name changes happen, especially big businesses, you know, that's why a lot of these businesses will be, I can't even think of ah of an example, but, you know, They'll they'll keep the name the dual names for a while and then fade one out over time.

01:28:13.05
Mike
Mhm.

01:28:24.35
Mike
Yeah.

01:28:25.30
Bill
you know

01:28:25.59
Mike
Right. Well, yeah, I mean, people still say tweet when, you know, it's fucking X now.

01:28:28.85
Bill
Fair.

01:28:29.38
Mike
Right.

01:28:29.81
Bill
Right? Yep. Yeah, and I've listened to people before. They're like, i'm not going to I'm never going to call it anything but a tweet because, I mean, that that's what it is.

01:28:36.35
Mike
Right.

01:28:36.96
Bill
What are you going to call it? I X'd somebody?

01:28:39.19
Mike
great robert Right, right.

01:28:41.46
Bill
Well, and there was...

01:28:41.91
Mike
That's old behavior.

01:28:43.27
Bill
yeah Well, there was – oh, shit. the yeah I mean a place that – there was a medical group in Milwaukee. it was um it It was all these different things and then it became Aurora. It was Aurora Healthcare care and then became Advanced. ah something else no advocate that's what it was it was brought up in this group advocate but what they did for a while they did aurora advocate then they finally eased everything out, but that's what they'll do.

01:29:04.08
Mike
Heh.

01:29:04.51
Bill
You know, so if you're, again...

01:29:04.91
Mike
Right.

01:29:07.51
Bill
the The amount of work that this guy would have to do to try to rebuild his... to rebuild his marketing that he's done for.

01:29:13.42
Mike
This brand. Right.

01:29:14.44
Bill
His brand. so So that's the true test. If you're really against the word, yeah go go through that, which I doubt he's going to do.

01:29:20.56
Mike
Uh-huh. Of course.

01:29:22.66
Bill
but I don't know. It's just that my my thought at the time of just, I'm like, I'm sick and tired of people trying to, you know, fuck around with words. If you don't like the word, if you don't like it, don't fucking use it anymore. Do you have to?

01:29:32.24
Mike
hu

01:29:33.66
Bill
Do you have to announce to the world that you don't like the word sober anymore?

01:29:35.79
Mike
well Right. Yes. Well. yeah That's so yeah apparently.

01:29:40.66
Bill
Right.

01:29:40.72
Mike
Yes, yeah, that's a announced to the world.

01:29:44.20
Bill
Right.

01:29:44.70
Mike
oh good lord yeah and this guy is you know yeah social media is a fucking problem okay well yeah you know, We hate the things that we are.

01:29:53.92
Bill
Right.

01:29:53.73
Mike
yeah We figured that out a long time ago. You really don't like something in somebody else.

01:29:56.28
Bill
Right.

01:29:58.76
Mike
You're probably exactly the same.

01:30:01.14
Bill
Right. Well, and the thing is, we we say it all the time. I mean, i I don't like the fact that we are... I don't like being bound and controlled by anyone or anything.

01:30:11.88
Mike
Mm-hmm

01:30:11.54
Bill
And we, and this, this podcast, this thing that you guys are listening to out there. um I mean, without if social media and Elise brings it up every once in a while, because at least the, her, their sober curator account.

01:30:16.83
Mike
Right.

01:30:24.24
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:30:25.77
Bill
Actually got, I think it was... The second year or whatever, first year or second year, she had had all this stuff built up and then somehow somebody hacked her and was they they held her.

01:30:34.56
Mike
and

01:30:36.08
Bill
Instagram account, ransom.

01:30:37.65
Mike
Blech.

01:30:37.75
Bill
Tried to ransomware her. Or not ransomware. her Ransom. you know, the name back. And she's like, but I can't, I can't pay you that. So she's like, I guess I got to start over, you know?

01:30:45.02
Mike
Right. Yeah.

01:30:47.04
Bill
So she had to rebuild. you know.

01:30:48.75
Mike
Huh?

01:30:49.62
Bill
I mean, I, I don't want to have to try to do that again.

01:30:52.38
Mike
No.

01:30:52.04
Bill
You know, we, we've spent, you know, it's been four fucking years, four and a half years doing this shit, you know?

01:30:55.20
Mike
Right. Mm hmm.

01:30:57.04
Bill
And I mean, we have, we have a hell of a fucking presence, you know, just without, and we haven't even done any, even with that, we haven't done anything right.

01:31:00.09
Mike
Yeah. Hehehehe.

01:31:04.79
Bill
you know.

01:31:04.87
Mike
Right. Of course.

01:31:06.38
Bill
You know, I mean, because at some point, if we really wanted to do things right, we would, I mean, if nothing else, we would. Pay somebody at least one time thing or once a year or twice a year to go in and optimize everything.

01:31:13.94
Mike
um Hmm.

01:31:18.74
Mike
Sure.

01:31:19.03
Bill
you know Because like Elise, for instance, they're really, really good.

01:31:22.13
Mike
then

01:31:22.14
Bill
She's really good at optimizing their website. So I mean like when when they post an article of ours, if you do a search on us within –

01:31:28.96
Mike
Yeah.

01:31:29.78
Bill
ah three days at a time that are articles. posted up on their website it'll be usually at at a minimum in the top five but usually in the top three on a normal google search

01:31:39.40
Mike
Huh?

01:31:39.90
Bill
And that's the way that she writes because she knows how to build that stuff in there. I don't know how to do that.

01:31:42.92
Mike
Yeah. Right. wow

01:31:43.98
Bill
Well, I do, but I don't have the time.

01:31:44.95
Mike
Yeah, right. Right. Exactly. And yet we're still at awards.

01:31:48.45
Bill
okay

01:31:50.79
Mike
ha

01:31:50.51
Bill
i Yeah, I know. And you know what? And that's and that's the thing. So so there' there's a good example. If somebody wants to be like, well, you guys are fucking hypocrites. You know, you won an award and you're broadcasting it all over the place.

01:32:02.32
Bill
That's not hypocritical because two things.

01:32:03.39
Mike
No.

01:32:04.42
Bill
we didn't we we All we did, and we said it to begin with at the beginning of this podcast.

01:32:05.70
Mike
fifty

01:32:09.24
Mike
Yeah.

01:32:09.67
Bill
I didn't plan on bringing this up again.

01:32:10.36
Mike
Uh huh.

01:32:11.64
Bill
but All we did was be us.

01:32:13.98
Mike
Yeah.

01:32:14.59
Bill
That's all we did. We literally fucking refused to be like anyone else.

01:32:18.96
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:32:19.80
Bill
it And in spite of ourselves.

01:32:22.24
Mike
That's right.

01:32:23.24
Bill
We won a goddamn award. So, you know, if we we should be proud of that. So, again.

01:32:27.17
Mike
Yes.

01:32:28.46
Bill
Fuck you.

01:32:29.43
Mike
Yay.

01:32:29.20
Bill
if I mean, I think all, I'm sorry, all the people who are listening to us, not fuck you, but anyone else be beyond that our listening audience.

01:32:33.93
Mike
No, of course not.

01:32:36.54
Bill
Fuck you if that's what you think, because...

01:32:36.48
Mike
Mm hmm. Yeah.

01:32:38.96
Bill
It is what it is. And yes, we flooded the internet you know to get votes and it worked.

01:32:43.41
Mike
Yeah.

01:32:43.46
Bill
And then now we flood the internet letting people know, hey, by the way, you know.

01:32:46.56
Mike
It worked.

01:32:47.50
Bill
Look, look at us. It worked. And it's, it is something we're we're proud of for just for just doing, you know, we're just being us, you know, and.

01:32:49.94
Mike
Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Well, yeah again.

01:32:55.93
Bill
Yeah.

01:32:56.100
Mike
principles, right?

01:32:58.03
Bill
Right.

01:32:58.08
Mike
Attraction rather than promotion. You know, yes, look, this works. Yeah.

01:33:04.13
Bill
If... Yep. well in

01:33:05.91
Mike
Just like our sobriety, man.

01:33:07.99
Bill
Yeah.

01:33:07.57
Mike
Yeah, it works because we work it.

01:33:10.28
Bill
Right?

01:33:10.29
Mike
Yes, we work that and it worked. Hey, look at that.

01:33:13.92
Bill
Yep, and the same thing. you know every every Every year in April, we get out there and you know whip our whip our dicks out and say, look at how long.

01:33:17.61
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:33:20.11
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:33:22.14
Bill
I mean our sobriety, not our, you know.

01:33:23.47
Mike
Of course, yes. that Of course.

01:33:26.20
Bill
But of course.

01:33:27.38
Mike
16.

01:33:29.43
Bill
Yeah, 16 and a half.

01:33:30.08
Mike
Shh.

01:33:30.91
Bill
Hey.

01:33:31.19
Mike
Hey, soon to be 17.

01:33:31.71
Bill
Hey. yeah So anyhow, I don't know. And the thing of it is, with the and I've listened to that.

01:33:37.41
Mike
Wow.

01:33:41.62
Bill
I've listened to that podcast a couple of times over over the years, and i mean every once in a while I really enjoy it.

01:33:43.67
Mike
Mhm.

01:33:48.00
Bill
I've talked about it, and I've actually you know used the individual's name before, which I'm not going to do here.

01:33:49.14
Mike
Sure.

01:33:52.59
Bill
If anyone wants to try to figure it out, fine, fucking figure it out.

01:33:55.22
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:33:55.33
Bill
but um you know i just can to Do the work.

01:33:56.20
Mike
Do the work. Get the result. Hey.

01:33:59.55
Bill
yeah do the work and then tell the guy about it. And then let's see if he comes, comes and says something about it, but fuck him. Oh, just last, last thing real quick. And this is like really funny. Cause I don't listen to a lot of podcasts, you know, but I listened to enough of them and, you know, we've gone in these fucking rants about telling people, don't give your money to fucking podcasts anymore.

01:34:11.38
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:34:16.36
Bill
And I mean, ri ripping on people that are begging for money and telling, you know, Keep it around.

01:34:16.44
Mike
Right? Uh-huh.

01:34:20.43
Bill
Keep this thing around for the new guy donate. I don't hear. I hear very, very few times anyone ever say that they, anyone beg for money anymore.

01:34:30.10
Mike
Good.

01:34:30.69
Bill
I mean, and these are like some of the main podcasts that I used to hear it all the time.

01:34:32.95
Mike
Meh.

01:34:34.64
Bill
so im like

01:34:36.35
Mike
Hmm.

01:34:36.58
Bill
I'm just wondering. I would.

01:34:38.42
Mike
yeah

01:34:39.14
Bill
I think it'd be so fucking funny if somebody's like, do you realize those guys that were sober are not mature?

01:34:44.07
Mike
Hehehehehehehehe.

01:34:44.19
Bill
Fucking tell you guys you guys are fucking crooks.

01:34:46.64
Mike
Yep.

01:34:46.76
Bill
Tell you you should stop asking for money.

01:34:49.42
Mike
Mm-hmm

01:34:49.20
Bill
Stop doing that.

01:34:50.29
Mike
Stop doing that. It's wrong.

01:34:52.20
Bill
It fucking is wrong, you know

01:34:53.43
Mike
Yeah, it is. Right, exactly.

01:34:55.52
Bill
Yeah.

01:34:56.11
Mike
Yeah. Right.

01:34:56.83
Bill
It...

01:34:56.80
Mike
she can't fucking If you can't afford to do your thing and if you can't do it the right way, get advertisers and blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:34:57.25
Bill
and

01:35:04.40
Mike
Don't ask your fucking listeners for money to keep the thing going. That's wrong.

01:35:08.71
Bill
right yep

01:35:09.23
Mike
Yeah, what are you goddamn Ernest Angley? you know fucking send us money or otherwise uh you know we're all going to hell

01:35:11.33
Bill
and

01:35:16.63
Bill
Right. Yeah.

01:35:17.28
Mike
Yeah.

01:35:17.48
Bill
that was that Those are the ones that got me. that's like yeah if you If you want this to be around for the for the new guy, you know.

01:35:22.62
Mike
Mm-hmm, lady, fuck you.

01:35:23.21
Bill
Go buy us a coffee. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no.

01:35:27.64
Mike
No.

01:35:27.54
Bill
it's it we've been We've been really honest. for Again, anyone who's new who's a new listener, we've we've... completely told people don't Ever give us fucking money. Now, again, Tim, thank you again.

01:35:36.09
Mike
Right. Yeah.

01:35:38.00
Bill
ki Tim gave us $25, whatever it was.

01:35:38.48
Mike
Mm-hmm Right.

01:35:40.80
Bill
It it was a year or so ago.

01:35:41.29
Mike
yeah yeah you know yeah exactly you know we've gotten a couple here and there if you i mean yes you know if you're totally fucking compelled we will put it back into it if we if you know we'll donate it we fucking donated to charities in the name of this podcast before we don't talk about it because hey listen to the fucking ending that's coming up very soon right we don't talk about it but you know whatever yeah you happen to feel it and you're fucking whatever do what you got to do we're not gonna we're not gonna use it for something bad

01:35:45.14
Bill
Yeah.

01:35:56.01
Bill
Right.

01:36:01.11
Bill
hehehehe Right.

01:36:12.37
Mike
that's That's all we're going to fucking say.

01:36:14.50
Bill
Right. Well, yeah, and the the main thing is that the main thing that we've tried to get across is, again, for somebody who's new, is that we do not need anyone's money to run this podcast.

01:36:15.21
Mike
Yep.

01:36:22.21
Mike
Yeah. Right.

01:36:23.28
Bill
and our It's our opinion that if we can't afford to run this on our own.

01:36:23.70
Mike
No.

01:36:27.06
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

01:36:27.96
Bill
then that we shouldn't you know we should put down our microphones and shut the fuck up and go away.

01:36:31.35
Mike
Yep.

01:36:32.02
Bill
you know And that' that is what it is because this that's it's not the point.

01:36:31.90
Mike
Yep. Mm hmm.

01:36:35.91
Bill
yeah And if if we ever get to the point where... We are willingly taking somebody's money. It's going to be from an advertiser, not from our listeners.

01:36:41.32
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.

01:36:44.59
Bill
So there.

01:36:45.44
Mike
So there.

01:36:46.86
Bill
All right. And speaking of there, I think we are, I think we are there.

01:36:48.61
Mike
Uh-huh I think we are there.

01:36:49.80
Bill
And you know what? We just. We never got, we didn't get, let me just make sure. Nope. Never heard back from. from anyone else. So anyhow.

01:36:57.04
Mike
Oh, yeah.

01:36:57.94
Bill
Who knows?

01:36:58.18
Mike
my Right.

01:37:00.19
Bill
It is what it is.

01:37:00.22
Mike
Ghosted, baby. Fucking Casper.

01:37:01.40
Bill
Right. we yeah We got Casper, motherfuckers.

01:37:04.34
Mike
Hehehehe. Cool.

01:37:06.21
Bill
All right, man, your turn.

01:37:08.41
Mike
All right, everybody. Well, thank you for listening to yet another episode of Sober Not Mature. As always, be kind to each other, be good to each other, go out and do something nice for somebody else this week. and Don't tell anybody you did it.

01:37:24.11
Mike
Now from the bottom of my heart to the depths of my soul from the beginning of time until the ends of the earth always and eternally.

01:37:36.09
Mike
Fuck you. And now it is time. It is time for you to fuck. a off. Then keep fucking off. Keep fucking off till you get to a gate with a sign on it saying. You cannot fuck off past here.

01:37:52.22
Mike
Climb over that gate. dream the impossible dream, and keep fucking off forever.

01:38:00.69
Bill
And i I got one more quick thing. I've been meaning to bring this up to you, and this will this will leave this on a very good note.

01:38:05.51
Mike
Yeah.

01:38:05.35
Bill
so whatever it was, a couple weeks ago, we had our sexual harassment training at work with just a video that we had to go through.

01:38:10.66
Mike
Yes.

01:38:12.44
Bill
And they did it on the day that we were only had to work a half day or trying to fill time, blah, blah, blah.

01:38:16.43
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:38:16.47
Bill
And it's the same. it's Usually it's the same thing. I've been there you know two and a half years now. it's I think this would be the this would have been the fourth time I think I would have had to take it.

01:38:21.00
Mike
Right.

01:38:24.39
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:38:24.96
Bill
including new hire stuff. And, but it's a different one, just a little bit different video, but same stuff. And everyone out there has taken sexual harassment training at work.

01:38:30.03
Mike
Right. Yeah.

01:38:32.32
Bill
It is what it is.

01:38:32.68
Mike
I just did want to say that about him.

01:38:33.03
Bill
and fifty

01:38:34.84
Mike
Yeah, right. Yeah, sexual and, you know, ah racism and blah, they roll it all in there.

01:38:40.21
Bill
Right.

01:38:39.86
Mike
Yep, yep, yep. Don't be a dick to other people.

01:38:41.17
Bill
Well... Yeah, it's just it's so it's so elementary, but it it is what it is. First of all, and when I'm going to laugh at this, and I'm going to laugh at this again, but um I'm not laughing at sexual harassment.

01:38:50.00
Mike
Yes.

01:38:51.93
Bill
I'm just laughing laughing at how fucking ridiculous this is.

01:38:52.09
Mike
No, of course not. Yes.

01:38:54.08
Bill
so The training starts off, and I swear to God, this is in the first, like, the opening scene. You know, you're going to learn about this today. They're going to learn about that, different types of blah, blah, blah.

01:39:00.88
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:39:02.08
Bill
So the opening scene, and it's like these people that are, this this production that they did. these

01:39:07.24
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:39:07.27
Bill
Walk into this room, and this this guy walks in into this room. and there's like two women standing there this one this one chick he walks up to he says hey You look really nice in that sweater today.

01:39:16.99
Mike
Yeah. Hey.

01:39:20.25
Bill
so that's it And then he's like, yeah, if you know what I mean. and

01:39:23.76
Mike
beautiful

01:39:25.34
Bill
And she looks at him and she's like. no, I don't know what you mean. And she walks away and he's like, This is, I swear to God, this thing, he just says, he's like, come on. You know you want it.

01:39:36.80
Mike
Okay.

01:39:37.74
Bill
And I'm like, what the fuck?

01:39:39.75
Mike
Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh.

01:39:39.69
Bill
is this? I paused it.

01:39:43.09
Mike
Mmm.

01:39:43.09
Bill
I'm laughing. I pulled out my phone and I'm like, ah I got to write stuff down.

01:39:46.46
Mike
yeah

01:39:47.99
Bill
I'm like, it's so fucking ridiculous. I'm like, Jesus Christ.

01:39:49.73
Mike
Yep.

01:39:50.64
Bill
i just Just get through. It's... I'm not saying it's a ridiculous topic. Some of the examples like this are fucking ridiculous there are facts they talk about some very useful things people have to be reminded of it just like everything else i think it's useful everyone needs to everyone needs it the companies need to cover their asses but you don't

01:39:55.46
Mike
Of course not. Mhm.

01:40:01.18
Mike
Sure. All right

01:40:07.68
Mike
Of course.

01:40:09.36
Bill
You know, whoever made up this video, yeah, you know you want it.

01:40:09.40
Mike
Yeah. Uh huh. With a body like that, you could go places.

01:40:17.15
Bill
here ah And then it's just this this one other one. did The other one, it was just like a delivery guy. I would come in and it was like a scene.

01:40:24.65
Mike
who I bet. Yeah. Hey, who ordered the pizza?

01:40:28.74
Bill
No, it's like a UPS or whatever, guys.

01:40:30.18
Mike
Yeah, alright.

01:40:30.33
Bill
He's just he just kind of walking. He's like, hey, Janet.

01:40:33.70
Mike
I've seen that movie.

01:40:35.04
Bill
Good to see you today. They walk up sir fucking shoulders. and I'm like who fucking does this

01:40:39.53
Mike
Wow. Mmm.

01:40:42.61
Bill
Oh, but again, I've, I've seen the movie. It's like. bu bu prayer

01:40:46.10
Mike
Right, exactly. Here's your pizza and here's your pepperoni.

01:40:50.57
Bill
Yeah, like the like the beam I saw on social media recently, I probably a couple months ago. It's just like this. He goes, that my neighbor invited me over to fix her sink. And he's like, I've been I've been working on this for half an hour.

01:41:01.53
Bill
where We haven't had section. and He goes, apparently at least she doesn't watch porn.

01:41:03.93
Mike
Right.

01:41:05.17
Bill
Or she doesn't understand porn.

01:41:04.95
Mike
Exactly.

01:41:07.81
Mike
Yep.

01:41:09.44
Bill
All right. on On that note, I love you, brother.

01:41:11.11
Mike
Yes, i I love you too.

01:41:13.19
Bill
And I know we'll talk soon.

01:41:14.88
Mike
We shall.

01:41:16.23
Bill
Bye.

01:41:17.09
Mike
Bye.