SoberNotMature - Episode 237 (Another Award Winning Podcast)

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Bill
All right, everyone. Welcome once again. oh Wait a second. This isn't a once again.

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Mike
What? Mmm.

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Bill
this is This is something new.

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Mike
Mmm. This is.

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Bill
So hang on one second. My friend Mike, what what happened since the last time that we all got together here?

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Mike
Hehehehe.

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Bill
Something new happened, didn't it? Yeah.

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Mike
nay We are an award-winning podcast.

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Bill
Okay, so the way I should start off is, hello everyone, welcome to the first episode of the award-winning podcast, Sober Not Mature.

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Normie the Great
Woo-hoo!

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Normie the Great
I don't know.

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Mike
Hehehehe.

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Bill
Hello. Hey, whoo, the crowd goes fucking wild.

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Normie the Great
Yay. yay

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Mike
Yay.

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Bill
Fucking wild.

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Mike
You don't have a drum roll or a crowd noise or anything there? What the hell, man? That works.

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Bill
Okay, hang on. Everyone, everyone, the crowd goes nuts.

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Normie the Great
Good enough. oh

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Bill
man

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Bill
That's all I got. That's all I got.

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Mike
All right

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Normie the Great
um

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Bill
but um But yeah, so we yeah we got we got stuff to talk about with that. but And we we tried to put her off for well over 200 episodes, but she's she's back.

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Mike
Yeah, no shit

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Normie the Great
ah Wow.

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Bill
she she was She was a guest at episode 26. Our sister is is here with us tonight, which ah we've been promoting all week. But say hello, Kathy.

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Normie the Great
Hello!

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Mike
yeah

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Normie the Great
What? hi kathy normie the great whatever hi i'm here

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
Right?

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Normie the Great
Glad to be back.

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Mike
Well, we're glad to have you.

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Bill
Yeah. Damn glad to have you.

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Normie the Great
Liar! okay

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Bill
dan Damn glad to have you. Yeah.

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Normie the Great
Huh?

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Bill
She, she tried, she tried for, no, not that she ever tried, but yeah, it says it was 200.

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Normie the Great
but

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Bill
And what has it been? This is 210 episodes. We successfully kept her off the podcast podcast again.

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Normie the Great
cows Four years.

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Bill
And then, you know, we had had no choice this point really. But so anyhow. but um But yeah, so we get we got some stuff to talk about.

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Normie the Great
All right.

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Bill
We were all... I'm actually still in Austin. i'm I'm heading out tomorrow, and I've got a slight story, a couple of stories about that. But, yeah, you guys got into town last what was it last Thursday, right?

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Normie the Great
Thursday.

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Bill
Thursday.

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Normie the Great
maha

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Bill
Yeah. So, I mean, we've got obviously plenty to talk about with that whole thing, but a little bit of travel stuff, a little bit of... ah kicking around we met a couple of people and um yeah what a fucking award

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Normie the Great
Woo-hoo!

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Mike
It's sitting right next to me on my desk.

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Bill
Ah, nice. It's in the... Sober, not mature location, Cleveland, Cleveland office.

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Mike
Right The Cleveland Satellite Office.

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Bill
It's in the Cleveland satellite.

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Normie the Great
ah

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Bill
And Kathy's over there, corporate. And I'm at our mobile our mobile ah office here in Austin, Texas, everyone.

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Normie the Great
but

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Bill
So we have people all over the fucking place tonight.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
but So, I don't know. I mean, where do we want to start? I mean, when when we got together, I mean, i we've got, again, a lot to talk about. You know, just ah we we spent time and none of us have ever been to Austin. Mike?

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Bill
as as with everything else, has been through everywhere.

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Mike
Right.

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Mike
Mm-hmm

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Bill
you know for the most part, but do you've never actually spent any time here. But, I mean, it was it was a good time.

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Mike
No.

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Bill
I mean, all said and done. And, again, you guys, your your flight was no issue coming in because you got into Valparaiso when, Mike?

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
That was last?

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Mike
Wednesday.

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Normie the Great
Yeah, he drove in.

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Bill
Okay. Yeah, that's right. We recorded on Tuesday and then.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
ah You took your own leisurely time to get and get into Valpro. and

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Mike
I did.

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Bill
And then you guys left ungodly early on. Thursday, right?

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Mike
yeah Yeah, I mean, not ungodly early.

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Normie the Great
That wasn't so bad.

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Mike
It was 7 in the morning, which is 8 o 'clock real time, and I was fine.

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Normie the Great
Right.

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Mike
I get up at 6 every day during the week, so yeah.

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Bill
Right. Right.

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Mike
Yeah, it was it was, you know, I mean, Kathy got up. a godly early because she didn't pack until that morning.

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Normie the Great
I know. I was not in the mood the night before.

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Mike
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe. We were.

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Normie the Great
We were hanging out, chatting, having a good time.

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Mike
Yes.

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Normie the Great
I, yeah, so I got up at 430.

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Mike
Hehehehehehe.

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Normie the Great
which is ridiculous, but whatever.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Normie the Great
Got it done.

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Bill
So is your... Real quick, Kathy, is your is your actually...

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Normie the Great
Yeah.

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Bill
Is your boom far away from your mouth, or is it is it close, or is it far away? Because it you just sound a little bit quiet. i know if you Do you have a volume control on there?

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Normie the Great
Okay. i don't think i have a volume control i did move it up a little bit okay i moved it up it was

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Bill
That's actually better.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Normie the Great
So apparently it was too far away.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
Yeah, because what was happening, is I mean, I could hear you in the background when when Mike was talking. All I could hear was just like a ah voice in the background.

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Mike
this is

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Bill
You know, I mean, it who knows?

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Normie the Great
Oh. I'm not one to be quiet.

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Bill
it the

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Normie the Great
That's for fucking sure.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
No, and that's well that's the whole point. We know that. that's I heard you talking, but we couldn't actually hear what you were saying.

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Normie the Great
hu

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Bill
So if you're going to run your mouth, we might as well at least be able to hear you, right?

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Mike
nice Yeah.

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Normie the Great
I got things to say.

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Bill
I know.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
that's That's my point.

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Mike
You guys are clearly related.

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Bill
That's my point. yeah Yeah, so, okay, for forever yeah for everyone out there, biologically, Kathy is my sister, but, you know, as a group, we're we're all we're all now related because mike Mike showed up for Easter one day or, you know, one one time, what?

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Normie the Great
Right.

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Mike
Hehehehe.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Mike
Yes.

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Bill
15 years ago, never went away.

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Mike
Yep. Exactly. you People fed me and and i keep I keep showing back up.

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Normie the Great
That's because they we fed him.

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Bill
Yeah. And then sooner or later, it's just like, you know, we'd we'd be at a family gathering and everyone's like, well, i I guess he's here from now on, you know, just, you know, just.

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Mike
I don't know.

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Normie the Great
ah Isn't there a spray for that?

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Mike
but

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Bill
Hmm? yeah Yeah, just nobody nobody questioned it.

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Mike
and

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Bill
It was just Mike bike was here from now on. so

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Mike
Please, you try to spray, I'll just huff it and hate still to hang around.

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Bill
ah

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Normie the Great
ah True.

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Bill
That ist good it is a really good fucking point.

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Normie the Great
True.

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Bill
place it's like Spray a little more.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Normie the Great
Right.

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Bill
hey

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Mike
Can I get another hit of that?

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Bill
Yeah.

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Normie the Great
Yeah.

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Bill
But yeah, so I mean, biologically, Kathy, Kathy and I are brother and sister. And if we if we and I've talked about our dad on here before. And I always tell Mike, you know, I'm like, if you ever met him, I'm like, God, do you think I talk enough or a lot.

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Normie the Great
Right.

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Bill
But so if we had to rank it. It would be me, Kathy and our dad. And Jody would be somewhere in between, probably almost neck and neck with dad, I think.

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Mike
hu

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Bill
And ah if they ever had a talking competition, I think that I don't know who would win or who would have won, you know, so.

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Normie the Great
Yeah.

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Mike
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe.

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Normie the Great
Yeah, I don't know she'd she'd be nobody believes that somebody is

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Mike
Right.

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Normie the Great
chattier than I am. until they meet Jodi or Until they've met dad, yeah.

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Mike
right

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Bill
Right. Yeah.

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Mike
c c

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Bill
Yeah, and I've said that before. I mean, literally when, um you know, obviously before he died, he, you know, he... I don't know, whatever it was. going to have a conversation about something or I was going to call him about something.

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Bill
And I i needed to make sure I had a minimum of an, I had i had to have an hour at at least.

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Mike
susan

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Normie the Great
Oh wow.

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Bill
And I had to have a reason I was going to to have to end the phone call. you know I'm going to get a haircut.

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Normie the Great
Mm hmm.

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Bill
I've got an appointment to go to. um I don't know.

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Mike
hehehehehehe

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Bill
that The house is on fire, whatever the case is.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
My my phone's almost dead. I don't know. what Whatever it was, I had to think up i had to think up something.

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Normie the Great
but

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Bill
you know so but i mean

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Normie the Great
Now to to me that's bliss and i never noticed i mean i i knew we talked a long time but

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Bill
What?

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Normie the Great
I never put a time frame on it.

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Bill
Oh, I did, because, I mean, I could end up just on the on the fucking phone with him all goddamn day, you know?

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Normie the Great
Oh.

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Mike
Ah, the difference between sons and daughters.

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Normie the Great
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
Yeah, exactly. Well, in and you know what? I mean, that's a great point because when in in every every once in a while, I mean, Derek will get, I'm not saying that my son will not get in his talkative moods, um you know but he the thing of it is for him being as young as he is, I mean, now being 25, but even a handful of years ago, um you know every once in a while actually making a phone call, he would call me rather than text me, whereas more than more likely I would have texted him than called him.

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Mike
listen

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Mike
Mm-hmm

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Bill
you know

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Normie the Great
Right.

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Bill
But, I mean, with Kimmy and I, Kimmy and I can have this these long text conversations, whereas Derek and I, it's pretty quick. and then But if he calls me, I mean, he's surprisingly talkative every once in a while. but Yeah, just he's got to be he's got to be in the mood.

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Normie the Great
mm-hmm

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Mike
Uh huh.

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Bill
But...

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Normie the Great
Right.

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Bill
but um But yeah, so so anyhow, um obviously now that we've got the volume up, so that's good, we can hear Kathy. but um So yeah, i mean you guys got out here on... on Thursday and I had been out here for, for a handful of days prior to that.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
And, um, picked you guys up at the airport. We ended up going to look at, uh, did a drive by on a. and kind of a and not so great potential Airbnb property that is not going to work out.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
We went to the grocery store and then came back here. And I think we whated we had enough time to chill for about 15 minutes until we had to get ready to leave again, didn't we?

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Mike
Pretty much.

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Normie the Great
Yeah, right.

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Bill
Yeah, because so and I don't remember if, ah ah Mike, if you and i I think you and I were talking about this, but we had plans on Thursday.

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Normie the Great
Mm hmm.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
We had something we wanted to do on Friday, and then Saturday was the actual event, and Sunday you guys were were heading out.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
um But Thursday was his place, and something, it was Gyros, Gyros something.

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Mike
Yes.

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Bill
taco place. I can't remember the actual actual name of the gear or something, which.

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Normie the Great
Garrows, wasn't it? Yeah.

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Bill
Well... What?

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Normie the Great
Garrows?

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Bill
Yeah that sounds right.

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Normie the Great
G U E R R O S.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
Yeah.

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Mike
I know there's an umlaut.

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Bill
And it was...

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Mike
this this this is

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Bill
Yeah, there was, there was. But, um but yeah, so we ended up, but you know, heading down there and then had organized it to meet our friend Erica.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
And Erica was on the podcast and I suppose I should have looked at what episode she was, but look back and look for, it look for, she's a, she's a female in a red shirt. Her name is Erica. You'll see her.

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Bill
She was back on, I think she was back, it was May, I think she was on. um

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Mike
Something like that.

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Bill
But yeah, she...

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Normie the Great
I can tell you because I re-listened to it this today.

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Bill
that's well that's That's kind of a funny story, too. We'll have to have to talk about that in a second.

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Normie the Great
She's episode two. Yeah. Episode two 22.

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Bill
Oh, okay. Yeah, so but it was in May, wasn't it?

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Mike
Ah.

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Normie the Great
Um.

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Mike
Heh heh heh heh heh.

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Normie the Great
I believe so, yes. I'm just looking, it doesn't really say the...

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Bill
Okay. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Normie the Great
But yeah, I think it was May.

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Bill
I suppose you got to get... yeah it could have been but so yeah we ended up meeting her and then we're it was supposed to be like this.

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Normie the Great
She's awesome

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Bill
um this meet and greet type of thing with all the people coming into town.

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Mike
who

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Bill
And the the funniest part all said and done, it was, we had a great time, which. talk about in a second, but um at the end of it, we ended up seeing Chris, who is the one that actually runs and started Sands Bar.

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Bill
And apparently there was another table, like they were sitting next to us the entire time, separated by a wall.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
And we we saw Chris when we came in, but we were telling him the next night he had a baseball hat on and glasses, and neither one of us had ever seen him.

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Mike
Uh huh.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
with a I mean, I think I saw him with a baseball hat. but Nobody ever saw him with glasses before, so we're like, yeah.

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Mike
Right?

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Normie the Great
And definitely not in real life. So.

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Bill
Yeah, exactly. You know, like, okay, it's like like fucking Clark Kent.

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Normie the Great
Good.

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Bill
Well, he's got his glasses on. It's certainly not.

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Mike
Right. Hehehehe.

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Bill
and Certainly not Chris.

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Normie the Great
So that's not Superman. Yeah.

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Bill
Yes, can be, Chris. But we ended up having, ah first of all, the food was wonderful. I mean, ah really, really wonderful.

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Mike
Yup.

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Normie the Great
Mm hmm.

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Bill
The place was cool. The service was good. but But, yeah, as it turned out, not that it wouldn't have been nice to to meet everyone, but we got a chance to meet everyone, obviously, on Saturday.

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Bill
But, I mean, you guys agree, right?

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Mike
huh

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Bill
It was just nice hanging out with Erica and hanging out with us.

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Normie the Great
Oh, yeah, absolutely.

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Mike
It was. Yeah.

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Normie the Great
Yeah, it was. I had a lot of fun.

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Mike
Mm-hmm

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Bill
Yeah, and then Kathy was just kind of funny. was that That was like right in the beginning where I was just sitting there shooting the shit for a minute and then... and Kathy looks at Erica. She's like, so where what did you say that you asked where she's from or how does she know us?

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Normie the Great
no i Yeah, I was like, how do you know these guys?

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Bill
or

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Mike
Love you.

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Bill
And you are.

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Normie the Great
Are you a listener?

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Mike
Yeah. Are you listener?

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Normie the Great
You know.

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Mike
That was it.

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Bill
Oh.

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Normie the Great
And.

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Mike
Do you listen to the podcast?

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Bill
hey

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Normie the Great
Are you a listener? Because they I mean, you connect with people online on Instagram or whatever through the podcast all the time. And so.

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Mike
Mhm.

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Bill
Right.

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Normie the Great
at I didn't. and this Bill's like, no, no, you're... you She was a guest. I'm like. Oh.

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Bill
Ha ha.

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Normie the Great
Okay. I did. That was embarrassing.

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Bill
Heh.

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Normie the Great
I actually looked back. I did listen to the episode back in May. But I didn't i didn't recognize her. Again, never seeing her in real life.

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Mike
Right.

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Normie the Great
so yeah earlier today i re-listened to her episode just Because i felt I felt like I should. I feel like we're pals now.

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Bill
Right. Right.

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Normie the Great
So.

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Bill
But it was, yeah it was just just actually funny because, uh, yeah, Kathy and you are listening to her.

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Normie the Great
Heh.

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Mike
Hehehehe.

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Bill
It's like, no, she's a guest. We, we organized this whole thing because she had been on the podcast and we, you know, we spent an hour and a half with her. We're all like old friends now, you know?

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Normie the Great
Oh my God. And it was like. Right and it was like two months ago. I was like, okay, whatever.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
Yeah. And Kathy's like, yeah, at the heter restaurant, Kathy's like, she's like, oh, I must've missed that episode.

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Normie the Great
My bad.

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Bill
Then she, we get, I think we're in a car on the way, on the way back to the Airbnb.

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Normie the Great
but

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Bill
She's like, oh no. She's like, I definitely listened to this. She's like, that's even worse.

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Normie the Great
but Right.

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Mike
yes

00:11:26.72
Bill
So, Erica, if you listen to this, that that's exactly how memorable you are. or so you know

00:11:30.91
Normie the Great
No, no, not at all. Not at all. My bad, not hers for sure.

00:11:34.93
Bill
Heh heh. No, I know, I know. But it was funny, too, because Mike had said, ah off actually off the recording last week, um because I had brought it up.

00:11:37.83
Normie the Great
Yes.

00:11:42.42
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:11:43.48
Bill
I'm like, yeah, I said, Erica's going to meet us there. And Mike's like, so who's this again?

00:11:47.67
Mike
Hehehehehehehehe.

00:11:48.60
Bill
And I said, she's, you know.

00:11:49.49
Normie the Great
You're going to give her a complex, man. Come on.

00:11:51.36
Bill
Yeah. No, we we told her.

00:11:51.63
Mike
Right.

00:11:52.08
Normie the Great
Oh no!

00:11:52.71
Bill
We told her about this one. We told her about this one at the restaurant.

00:11:55.29
Normie the Great
Hmm.

00:11:54.76
Bill
But so, yeah, the mic is like, who is this?

00:11:55.24
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:11:57.12
Bill
And I said, oh, she was, you know, she was on a handful of months ago. He goes, oh, no. He goes, and Mike says this to me again off the recording last week. He goes, well, I didn't know if it was one of your floozies.

00:12:05.78
Mike
Hehehehehehehehehehe.

00:12:05.92
Normie the Great
Oh, my God.

00:12:06.79
Bill
Yeah, like me. And we told Erica that at the at the restaurant.

00:12:07.44
Normie the Great
Yeah.

00:12:09.27
Mike
Mm-hmm

00:12:09.01
Normie the Great
I remember that Mm hmm.

00:12:10.35
Bill
she's She gets this shocked look on her face. And I said, i said you should to don you have to look like that. I said, no, of course you weren't. One of my floozies, I explained to him who you were. And he's like, oh, yeah, that's who it is.

00:12:20.20
Mike
Yeah.

00:12:20.93
Bill
But. But I said, in my defense, and I said this to Erica too, I said, I have never just brought a floozy around.

00:12:26.92
Normie the Great
but

00:12:27.26
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:12:27.30
Bill
You know, not that i not that I couldn't, but, you know, or or maybe.

00:12:29.43
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:12:29.56
Normie the Great
Oh my god.

00:12:30.38
Bill
you know is that Again, yet. Yet is what you i think what you alluded to when when I said that.

00:12:33.71
Normie the Great
Yet.

00:12:35.55
Bill
Right, Mike? Yet.

00:12:36.52
Mike
Right yet

00:12:37.95
Normie the Great
oh my god

00:12:39.09
Mike
Something to look forward to in the future.

00:12:41.38
Normie the Great
Right.

00:12:41.43
Bill
Yeah, I mean, if it's if it's a fucking challenge, I mean, I have no issue whatsoever with... ah I mean, i can I can do that, you know? i you know

00:12:48.07
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:12:49.13
Bill
like Like we were talking that one year when, I don't know, that one episode when...

00:12:50.08
Normie the Great
who

00:12:53.48
Bill
ah I had mentioned the whole fact we were talking about with telling people that certain things we, you know, oh, we got to do this for my sobriety, whatever. And then, you know, somehow we got on this on this conversation. Like if, you know, i I show up with a goat for Christmas and, you know.

00:13:07.11
Bill
Tell him, put a, you said, you're you're the one that said put a fedora on the goat and tell him it's, you know, it's it's Bill Wilson.

00:13:11.40
Mike
Yes.

00:13:13.92
Bill
and it's my It's my emotional support goat and I had to have him.

00:13:14.49
Normie the Great
Oh, my God.

00:13:14.21
Mike
Hehehehehehehehe. Yes.

00:13:17.99
Bill
And that's actually, if anyone looks back, look back, there's whatever the episode, I don't remember what it was. This was a long time ago when we've been doing this. But Mike found a picture of a goat in a fedora.

00:13:27.43
Mike
I did.

00:13:27.89
Normie the Great
suspicious

00:13:28.98
Bill
So, yeah, that's our that's our episode picture. But, but yeah, so, I mean...

00:13:32.28
Normie the Great
It's... It's true, though. I've reacted to that when you're like, it's part of the program. I'm like, oh, well, OK, sorry. Back off.

00:13:38.31
Bill
Right. Well, you know, in it

00:13:39.41
Normie the Great
So it works.

00:13:41.12
Bill
And it happened with, it happened with Dawn a couple of times too. And I've talked about it openly because that first thing in your head, especially in really, really, really early sobriety, you know, you get this mindset and you're like, oh, I can fucking use this, you know?

00:13:45.06
Normie the Great
oh

00:13:48.88
Mike
Mhm.

00:13:51.90
Mike
Right.

00:13:52.51
Bill
And.

00:13:52.86
Normie the Great
Oh!

00:13:52.83
Bill
it

00:13:53.15
Mike
Oh, yeah.

00:13:54.02
Bill
And I... And I never did, but I... it Lisa, it was a thought. You know, I mean, I could...

00:13:59.07
Mike
Oh absolutely.

00:13:59.37
Bill
i I could easily say that.

00:14:01.17
Normie the Great
Oh.

00:14:02.18
Bill
I never did. you know but

00:14:03.15
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:14:03.54
Normie the Great
who

00:14:03.69
Mike
I mean, yeah, of course. I mean, we're we're used to manipulating our loved ones. and And why would we use that? You know? No, this is this affects my sobriety.

00:14:11.04
Bill
Right.

00:14:11.23
Normie the Great
Right.

00:14:11.57
Bill
yeah

00:14:12.96
Mike
I have to do this. You know, right.

00:14:14.63
Bill
Yeah.

00:14:14.82
Normie the Great
ah

00:14:15.74
Mike
Hehehehe.

00:14:16.47
Bill
It could have been on either end.

00:14:16.75
Normie the Great
My God.

00:14:17.44
Bill
I have to or I don't have to or I can't or whatever.

00:14:19.26
Mike
Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

00:14:20.00
Bill
I mean, and i I have been honest before when, you know, I remember one in particular, Kathy, when you had you would ask me to go to some some concert in Chicago. And this was probably 10 or 12 years ago.

00:14:30.84
Bill
I mean, i was I was three, four years sober. I was coming down to Indiana for something. And there was a a band that you wanted to see. And you're like, do you want to go? And I said, well, where is it? You're like, downtown Chicago.

00:14:41.09
Bill
It's at this bar. And that was before. I mean, I wasn't comfortable, you know, going to a bar. and I'm like, i'm like yeah i just i don't I don't want to do that. And the first time that I was going to go to a bar was ah Blue Coop was playing, Mike, if you remember.

00:14:49.35
Normie the Great
you

00:14:54.76
Mike
Yeah.

00:14:55.39
Bill
It it was right before I moved or left to go back to Wisconsin you know because we had it all set up.

00:14:59.05
Mike
huh

00:15:00.49
Bill
It was you, me, and Sopko were going to go because they were playing someplace in Cleveland, obviously.

00:15:02.66
Mike
Right.

00:15:05.53
Mike
Beachland.

00:15:06.62
Bill
Yeah.

00:15:06.70
Mike
Yeah.

00:15:07.44
Bill
The ballroom, right?

00:15:08.36
Mike
Yep.

00:15:09.08
Bill
Yeah, and that's that's right, because you're you're like, it's not really a bar, it's a ballroom.

00:15:12.83
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:15:12.60
Bill
And you know and I get it, you know but I've just never been in that circumstance.

00:15:13.30
Normie the Great
Makes a difference.

00:15:16.18
Bill
Oh, side note, squirrel note on that one. So guess who was in town in Milwaukee? Last night, Mike.

00:15:23.20
Mike
I don't know.

00:15:23.29
Bill
at the harley at the harley fest

00:15:25.69
Mike
I don't know.

00:15:26.74
Bill
She was performing.

00:15:28.61
Mike
Ah! There was a leader there.

00:15:30.49
Bill
Yeah. Yep.

00:15:31.12
Mike
Nice.

00:15:31.96
Bill
Yeah, she she performed at the museum this time.

00:15:34.88
Mike
Hmm.

00:15:34.59
Bill
um I think she kicked off, no, there was I think there was an opening band, but they talked about this, up you know, this is the the weekend, Labor Day weekend is always when they do that, which was literally, the memories started coming up when you you were in Milwaukee 10 years ago.

00:15:43.45
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:15:46.92
Mike
Yeah. Yup.

00:15:48.42
Bill
um exactly on this weekend because we were kicking around doing whatever you know on this day 10 years ago.

00:15:50.22
Mike
Yeah.

00:15:54.16
Mike
yeah Yeah, my memories came up today that i that I flew out there and got to Milwaukee and all that stuff. Yep.

00:16:00.97
Bill
Yeah, and then we saw Lita on, it was Monday night, she closed out um Harley Fest in in Milwaukee at Milwaukee Harley-Davidson.

00:16:03.93
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:16:07.00
Mike
Yep. Mm hmm.

00:16:09.41
Bill
But speaking of that, that was the first... concert that I went to after I got sober and that was, I was six years sober.

00:16:12.52
Mike
Yeah.

00:16:16.28
Bill
you know.

00:16:16.72
Mike
Right.

00:16:17.42
Bill
Because, I mean, literally it was 10 years, well, six and a half almost. It was 10 years ago, you know.

00:16:20.10
Mike
Yeah. Mhm.

00:16:21.76
Bill
And i that was such a fucking great time.

00:16:24.59
Mike
Hehehehehehehehe.

00:16:25.16
Bill
But wasn't she, and I didn't look it up, she was like 60 last time. So, I mean, add 10 years, she's fucking 70 years old out there.

00:16:30.20
Mike
Yeah. Yeah, it's probably pretty close, yeah.

00:16:33.44
Bill
just kicking ass and taking fucking names again.

00:16:35.43
Mike
oh ah

00:16:35.38
Bill
They, I mean, apparently they said she put on a great show. I didn't, I just saw one or two lines of it.

00:16:37.81
Mike
Of course.

00:16:40.01
Bill
um And I, I didn't expect anything else or anything less.

00:16:42.41
Mike
who

00:16:43.40
Bill
But yeah, it just kind of surprised me when, and I wrote it, I was going to write it down.

00:16:43.34
Mike
Right.

00:16:47.66
Bill
I forgot. So I'm glad that we were talking about that blue coop thing because I'm like, Jesus Christ. I'm like again, but she, yeah she was at the museum of this time rather than out of one of the events. But I'm like, I'm fucking good for her.

00:16:58.05
Bill
You know what I mean?

00:16:58.46
Mike
Yeah, absolutely.

00:16:58.58
Bill
Jesus Christ.

00:16:58.80
Mike
Oh yeah. She's still out there doing it. I'm actually surprised that I didn't see it cause I follow her. So, you know, yeah, of course.

00:17:03.41
Bill
Right?

00:17:04.59
Mike
as close as I can. Hehehehehehe.

00:17:06.87
Bill
No, and i and I'll tell you what, I mean, for 60 years, I mean, 10 years ago.

00:17:07.38
Normie the Great
ha

00:17:12.30
Bill
I mean, we were.

00:17:12.43
Mike
Right.

00:17:13.52
Bill
What were we, 20 feet away from her, maybe?

00:17:15.35
Mike
Yeah. Yeah, we were right up on stage.

00:17:17.60
Bill
Yeah, it was so fucking great

00:17:19.47
Normie the Great
arm's length.

00:17:20.81
Bill
um I mean, it was it was close.

00:17:20.55
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:17:21.54
Normie the Great
Grab an ankle, but don't get arrested.

00:17:23.59
Bill
Right.

00:17:24.36
Mike
Hmm.

00:17:25.08
Bill
Yeah, if I was going to grab something, it would be an ankle. Hello.

00:17:28.03
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:17:28.40
Normie the Great
Wow.

00:17:28.98
Bill
But um when, when we had gotten there and again, you know, it's this, it's Milwaukee Harley and it was a, you know, it's a, it's a drinking fest. That's the same thing as Labor Day weekend.

00:17:36.15
Mike
Yep.

00:17:37.09
Bill
It was a big party, but I mean, I was comfortable because I was there with, obviously there with Mike, first time I'd ever been to a concert, but, but still kind of weird.

00:17:41.68
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:17:44.51
Bill
We went up and got waters and we were at like the, it was like it the beer tent, you know, kind of like, like thing, you know, but I mean, we just got some water.

00:17:49.09
Mike
Yeah.

00:17:49.30
Normie the Great
Oh yeah.

00:17:52.80
Bill
And then Mike's like, okay, he goes, come here. We're going to go up here. So we we just, I followed him. we We just stood in like this middle of this concrete area. A couple of people milling around. He's like, this is where we're going to be.

00:18:03.10
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:18:03.42
Bill
You know, I'm like.

00:18:03.51
Normie the Great
ha

00:18:04.09
Bill
OK, so we just stayed there. And, you know, the the best part about it and the same thing, you know, obviously, even as a few years ago with with the Foo Fighters concert, when Mike and I went, but also when I went the first time, is that he and I were there.

00:18:05.60
Mike
Yep.

00:18:16.36
Bill
We just stood there and watched the entire fucking show.

00:18:19.15
Mike
Right.

00:18:19.74
Bill
Didn't have to go get beer. Didn't have to go pee.

00:18:22.27
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:18:21.96
Bill
You know, we were just there, you know, enjoying the show.

00:18:22.53
Normie the Great
that' Right.

00:18:24.14
Bill
And this again, the drunk girl's next to us. I got to go to the bathroom and I got to get up. Beer.

00:18:29.89
Normie the Great
but

00:18:30.81
Bill
And she'd go, you know, this is one chick just go bubbly off and do whatever. She was. She wasn't being an ass or anything like that.

00:18:37.29
Mike
No.

00:18:37.43
Bill
She was just drunk, you know?

00:18:38.63
Mike
Yeah.

00:18:39.26
Bill
And she'd go off and do that. Then, you know, 20 minutes later, I got to pee. you Go get a beer.

00:18:44.70
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:18:46.00
Bill
And you know what, as as my friend Mike always says, enjoy the freedom, right?

00:18:49.49
Mike
Yep, absolutely.

00:18:51.16
Bill
but But, yeah, so Thursday night and then after we got back here, just kind of kicked around and hung out. And then um Friday. um Kathy and I went to a hiking trail, which, again, if anyone follows us on on Instagram, I mean, you would have seen pictures and that sort of thing.

00:19:01.36
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:19:05.54
Bill
but um mike was mike really wanted to go but we're like fuck you we're you're not gonna go

00:19:10.99
Mike
Exactly.

00:19:11.32
Bill
You got to stay here and you got to vacuum. Because that's, I swear to fucking God, this this fucking maniac back.

00:19:13.54
Mike
Yes.

00:19:14.42
Normie the Great
That's what you did. Yeah

00:19:18.33
Bill
vacuum the airbnb which fine we get back and he's like he's like well who what are you what are you doing it's like i my vacuum you just clean it up

00:19:19.90
Mike
Yeah.

00:19:20.71
Normie the Great
Mm hmm.

00:19:25.82
Mike
Yeah. Tighten it up a little bit. What the fuck?

00:19:28.05
Bill
Yeah. yeah

00:19:28.82
Normie the Great
And you know what? You ran out of here so damn fast. on Sunday. there was you did You took absolutely no time to vacuum here.

00:19:33.33
Bill
ah

00:19:36.17
Mike
i died You're absolutely correct. I did not.

00:19:39.55
Bill
Hehehehe. But yeah, so we ended up, ah the weekend prior, i went I went like an hour away to this this one trail, which is nice. and it was It was warm, but I mean, not not too bad. manageable, I guess. And then how far away was that place that we went to, Kath? About 20...

00:19:56.11
Bill
No, 30 minutes away.

00:19:56.10
Normie the Great
20 minutes.

00:19:56.99
Bill
Yeah, 30 minutes something.

00:19:57.18
Normie the Great
20 yeah 20 minutes half an hour It wasn't it wasn't that far.

00:20:00.94
Bill
Yeah, and then um same thing, just ah just a random trail, but around the lake. And I mean, to begin with, I was trying to find something um because Kathy had brought it up. She's like, I'd like to go, you know, just experience a different area.

00:20:11.80
Bill
And I looked at all trails and wherever I was looking at this lake trail, I'm like, that's just a fucking lake. You know, it didn't seem like anything out of the ordinary, but it but it was. I mean, it it actually was.

00:20:20.65
Normie the Great
That was nice.

00:20:22.07
Bill
Yeah, I mean, it had a nice landscape and everything like that. and I mean, it when we, what time did we get there? Was it 1030 or so? 11 maybe?

00:20:29.90
Normie the Great
Yeah. ah Was it even that late?

00:20:32.57
Bill
I think it might have been 1030.

00:20:32.09
Normie the Great
it was pretty early no we left i mean i I think we left at like 930.

00:20:36.79
Bill
ah Okay, yeah, 10-ish. You know, so, I mean, we were there, what, a couple hours, I think, or a little bit more than more that.

00:20:41.64
Normie the Great
yeah

00:20:42.48
Bill
And it was a four-mile trail. And as we were about a about a half a mile to a mile out, I'm like, you know, three miles would have been perfect.

00:20:50.47
Normie the Great
ah right

00:20:50.87
Bill
Because, I mean, it was, you know, 90 degrees and it wasn't really humid.

00:20:53.39
Normie the Great
It was hot.

00:20:54.42
Bill
But yeah, yes, we get. on On the way out on the trail, it was just two miles out, and it's ah it was an out and back, so two out and two back. And we're about halfway out, and we you know finally get to this area where we can walk down and go on to the you know the rock area, beach area.

00:21:10.03
Bill
And both of us are standing there taking pictures. And I mean, like you even said, I mean, just standing there just immediately. It's like somebody turned on.

00:21:15.92
Normie the Great
I'm stripping. Yeah.

00:21:18.31
Bill
It is.

00:21:18.44
Normie the Great
Dripping.

00:21:18.82
Bill
I think somebody turned on a goddamn faucet. He's like, whew, it's fucking hot. But, I mean, there weren't it's not like there was a lot of people. It wasn't crowded.

00:21:28.50
Normie the Great
o

00:21:28.78
Bill
um

00:21:29.51
Normie the Great
Was perfect.

00:21:30.51
Bill
Yeah. And I mean, maybe it's just people around here that they figured that, you know, I i don't know. think it's I don't think it was if I lived around here because the same thing like. Today it was overcast, a little bit of rain just a little bit this morning.

00:21:42.49
Bill
so um But I mean, as it was overcast, it was like 70.

00:21:42.29
Normie the Great
who

00:21:46.37
Bill
maybe mid to upper 70s right after the rain stopped but then the sun came out and it it it was like 90 within four minutes you know i mean it didn't take that long but i mean i've been walking you know the the entire time i've been here but i mean i don't like you did you did you took What day was that?

00:21:52.84
Normie the Great
Yeah.

00:21:56.28
Normie the Great
Mm hmm.

00:22:01.00
Bill
You took like a half hour walk or something?

00:22:02.79
Normie the Great
um Saturday, no an hour.

00:22:03.37
Bill
They're longer than that?

00:22:04.81
Mike
Saturday. Yeah.

00:22:06.06
Normie the Great
Yeah, Saturday, I just said.

00:22:05.85
Mike
Yeah.

00:22:07.45
Normie the Great
I set a timer for... half an hour and I just walked out of the subdivision and you know through through a truck stop. It it was get a little sketchy, but I you know was like...

00:22:17.45
Mike
he he he he he he

00:22:17.72
Bill
ah

00:22:18.74
Normie the Great
um You know, I like to be outside. and it was so hot there you can't just be outside like sit out sit outside in the sun and read my book or whatever you can't do that but i was like i don't want to sit

00:22:22.08
Bill
Right.

00:22:29.68
Bill
Right.

00:22:31.35
Normie the Great
you know in the dark in the inside all day and so i was like i'm gonna walk and it was kind of early but holy cow i did i walked out of that ah little neighborhood and then there's a truck stop and a Wendy's and a Taco Bell and I turned around and yeah, so it was like an hour.

00:22:48.83
Bill
Right.

00:22:49.12
Normie the Great
And it was... a couple miles three miles two and a half three miles something like that but yeah i was Diane. It was hot.

00:22:56.30
Bill
Well... And let's see, the only good thing about the you know being on the trail that we were on is at least we had you know some shade.

00:23:01.53
Normie the Great
Lot of shade.

00:23:02.02
Bill
you know, just a little bit, but, um, and even over the last couple of days, I mean, the wind has kicked up around here, which is, has been kind of helpful.

00:23:02.48
Normie the Great
mm-hmm

00:23:09.42
Bill
You know, I mean, even though it's, it's hot, it's hot, hot wind, um, you know, but, but still it's better than just having like stagnant hot air, but I don't know.

00:23:10.30
Normie the Great
Yeah.

00:23:19.28
Bill
It just, it's. It's been... I spent time... When was that? A couple years ago. I was, again, down you know south of Houston. and Can't think of the, what's the? Fucking town down by the down by the Gulf down there, Mike. What is that?

00:23:33.25
Mike
I mean...

00:23:33.36
Bill
that cost.

00:23:34.04
Mike
Yeah, there's a bunch of them. Corpus Christi. Yeah. But yeah.

00:23:36.93
Bill
Yeah, but to what is it?

00:23:38.00
Mike
yeah ba It was Bay something or other.

00:23:38.15
Bill
Well, whatever. Yeah, Baycliff is where I was, which is about 45 minutes north of of there.

00:23:42.08
Mike
Yeah.

00:23:43.90
Bill
but um you know and it was it was That was May, and it was warm, a little humid, but I mean i didn't i didn't care. The mosquitoes were fucking terrible there. I mean, it's so close to the water. but um Yeah, this was this was a whole different type of heat but i mean even when i was in you know north of nashville i mean it was it was this this type of weather and then here you know but i don't know i mean i i'm not saying that i get used to it but i wouldn't same thing to your point kathy i wouldn't want to just You can't you can't just fucking sit outside You know?

00:24:13.30
Normie the Great
No, and that's what I like to be outside. I like to do that. But... i mean texas it was cool i've never been there before it's always cool to see different areas and different cities, different the trails were cool.

00:24:25.46
Normie the Great
It was, you know, unusual trees and vegetation and rock and all that. And I love that, but.

00:24:30.98
Bill
Right.

00:24:31.02
Normie the Great
And living in Texas, living in Austin is like living in a warming oven.

00:24:35.03
Bill
Well, in

00:24:35.07
Normie the Great
And.

00:24:36.01
Bill
And it is.

00:24:36.19
Normie the Great
It's hot.

00:24:36.23
Bill
it it It is literally the opposite of what what we deal with, you know, living in Cleveland or Valpo or Milwaukee. You know, we get we get our...

00:24:42.90
Normie the Great
Right. Well not this week.

00:24:44.85
Bill
Yeah, that's true.

00:24:45.62
Normie the Great
It's been the same.

00:24:45.51
Bill
but i mean we But I mean, we get our, you know, it's the wintertime, you know, there where it's just, it's insanely cold and you can't do much and you can get out and you got to bundle up and you're uncomfortable.

00:24:49.49
Normie the Great
Right. Brutal. Right.

00:24:54.40
Bill
And it's the same thing. You know, I can't, you can't spend a lot of time out in the winter in those areas. And here it's the same thing. Because when, when I was in. Again, May when I was down here at that time, and I was there for three weeks. It it was...

00:25:07.53
Bill
It never got comfortable. I mean, it was it was better than this. It wasn't this hot.

00:25:12.12
Normie the Great
Mm hmm.

00:25:12.47
Bill
But it was still, it was in the 80s and humid. you know, where where I was.

00:25:15.87
Normie the Great
Yeah.

00:25:16.88
Bill
But when I came through that other time and I was in Amarillo, that was in... end of January, early February.

00:25:24.59
Normie the Great
Yeah.

00:25:25.21
Bill
That was fucking beautiful you know?

00:25:27.14
Normie the Great
Mm hmm.

00:25:27.24
Bill
And I mean, it was, I think in the, when I went to Palo Alto, which, you know, that's got the heat warning things and whatever, it's got this big fucking sign. That's like, you know, it's, it's like a dial on it that telling you either you're going to be cool.

00:25:38.60
Bill
or You may die today, you know, is, is really what it's telling you because.

00:25:40.43
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:25:43.16
Bill
If I couldn't imagine being there like right now at that on anywhere in there, because like the, the trail that I went on in all the other trails that I saw. They're kind of open. you know and i got i got a little bit of shade going up to one mountain area where i went this this rocked up mountain area to get on top of the cliff on top of the canyon

00:25:53.66
Normie the Great
o

00:26:02.67
Bill
you know But I was shaded a couple of times just because i was I just happened to be on the side of the mountain. on the other side of the sun that's it But once you get up on top, and I was up there for probably...

00:26:09.60
Normie the Great
who

00:26:13.53
Bill
A half hour? you know kind of kick it around but i mean it was you know mid to upper 60s and sunny i i had i had long pants on but i had a t-shirt on and i was it was fucking beautiful you know, but.

00:26:24.13
Normie the Great
Yeah.

00:26:25.49
Bill
God, i wouldn't I wouldn't be there now. Because I'm sure it's ah if it's the same thing there, I don't know, it's northern. northern texas like that the panhandle i'm guessing it's still freaking hot like here right What do you think?

00:26:35.93
Bill
Yeah.

00:26:35.99
Mike
Oh yeah.

00:26:37.38
Bill
so But anyhow, i mean it was it was nice. i mean we had We had a good time. i you know no No regrets whatsoever. and then On Friday night, we had decided that we were going to go downtown. And then because you were we were talking about and n I thought you mentioned ribs, but you said brisket.

00:26:47.02
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:26:52.54
Bill
So that's what we started looking for. Right. and That was your that was your thing.

00:26:54.06
Mike
Right. yeah Barbecue.

00:26:55.52
Bill
What you yeah, what you wanted.

00:26:55.36
Mike
I just wanted yeah swaed Texas barbecue. Yeah.

00:26:58.79
Bill
Yeah.

00:26:58.71
Mike
You know, I wanted a big hunk of beef. It's fucking Texas.

00:27:01.58
Bill
ah Yeah, no, I mean, in in no doubt, you know, in between between Thursday night, you know, I i had...

00:27:03.20
Mike
Hehehehehehehehe.

00:27:09.42
Bill
I ate beef tacos and then. um uh friday night and you can explain go ahead and explain the restaurant that we went to also and your big slaps of beef and what you got but um yeah between between the two i haven't had that much i literally I've not had that much beef in the entire time since I had a heart attack in October.

00:27:25.75
Mike
Hehehehehehe.

00:27:26.59
Normie the Great
Oh my gosh.

00:27:27.12
Bill
I mean, I think I've had beef a couple of times. I've had hamburgers once or twice, whatever. But yeah, I mean, not not really, but I mean, it was a lot.

00:27:33.20
Normie the Great
Right.

00:27:33.56
Bill
But yeah, go ahead. Explain the restaurant, Mike.

00:27:35.76
Mike
um Yeah, it was it was ah Cooper's. ah pit barbecue yeah it was great man it's cool old brick exposed brick in there and uh Yeah, it was um it was what I wanted, Texas barbecue. You walk in, yeah they say, I want that meat and that meat and that meat.

00:27:53.75
Mike
They throw it in a paper thing, and when you go to pay for it, they weigh it to see how much you got. and you got all your sides and um yeah you know i got macaroni and cheese and uh this Killer. potato casserole, twice baked potato thing.

00:28:10.55
Mike
And, uh, Yeah, you know, it was good. Banana pudding, of course, for dessert.

00:28:15.39
Normie the Great
right

00:28:16.53
Bill
Hehehehe.

00:28:16.40
Mike
It was fabulous.

00:28:20.11
Bill
Yeah. And it was, it was a lot. It was kind of like when, when you walked in and we ended up, we use the restroom first. So we then got back in line and it was like a, almost like a cafeteria line, you know, but you bet.

00:28:29.14
Mike
Yeah.

00:28:29.69
Bill
Yeah. You go up and you like order your meat here, but it, it exactly what Mike just said.

00:28:31.94
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:28:32.28
Normie the Great
Right? Literally.

00:28:34.09
Bill
It's just, you point at it. You're like, I want, I want that. Cause I think to begin with, I just got the brisket. The guy's like, well, what else do you want?

00:28:41.60
Mike
Yeah.

00:28:41.86
Bill
And then it almost kind of like it.

00:28:42.77
Normie the Great
peer pressure.

00:28:43.80
Bill
Yeah, it... it I didn't feel pressure, but I'm like... Yeah. Yeah.

00:28:47.89
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:28:48.04
Bill
well What else do I want?

00:28:50.15
Mike
What else do I want?

00:28:50.44
Bill
Yeah.

00:28:50.78
Normie the Great
this this this is this this

00:28:51.62
Bill
And I wasn't trying to be that guy because our friend Mike over here paid for dinner.

00:28:55.79
Mike
Mmm.

00:28:55.85
Bill
And I wasn't trying to be like, I'm not paying for it. Just give me whatever the fuck I think I want.

00:29:00.18
Mike
Yeah.

00:29:00.35
Normie the Great
Oh my god.

00:29:01.72
Bill
you know Which I wasn't doing, but I was just like, yeah okay, I'll try that. But then, I mean, all this shit's my weight, and I got this big monster piece of rib bone, which everything was fucking great. i I know I've, I can't, I think I've had brisket before. i I'm pretty sure. but um vary the The skin, again, okay, back to it too.

00:29:20.80
Bill
We were talking about the amount of salt and sodium on the on these things.

00:29:23.14
Mike
Hehehehehehe.

00:29:24.56
Bill
I mean, I'm eating it. I'm like, this is so fucking good. But I'm like, I don't think I've had this much salt in my entire life as I've had here.

00:29:31.33
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:29:31.81
Bill
and i don't mean that in a bad way it was it was so fucking good so fucking good

00:29:33.45
Normie the Great
That was fantastic.

00:29:35.44
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:29:35.55
Normie the Great
Right. I've never had brisket before That was really good.

00:29:38.29
Bill
I don't, and if I didn't, I may not have either. It was, it was so good. It was so good.

00:29:45.22
Mike
Goddamn Gentiles.

00:29:47.55
Normie the Great
ah

00:29:47.10
Bill
Yeah. Well, you know, and I hear about brisket all the time.

00:29:47.50
Mike
Hehehehehehehehe.

00:29:50.35
Bill
Obviously there, well, not obviously, but I mean, I know of it, whatever. I want to cook it sometime, but I mean, I know it's a slow cook and it's a thing and whatever.

00:29:55.12
Mike
Uh huh.

00:29:57.01
Bill
And I mean, there's a, there's a.

00:29:57.77
Normie the Great
Right.

00:29:59.63
Bill
process to it, which I do know. I got a side note on that one too, but I do know that it takes, you know, four fucking ever if you want to make it right, you know.

00:30:04.71
Mike
v

00:30:08.43
Mike
Yep.

00:30:09.41
Bill
And I would love to do that sometime, but sometimes I think you've got to have the right, and I could be wrong, but the correct type of grill and cooker and and smoker and all those sort of things, right?

00:30:17.14
Mike
Hmm.

00:30:18.62
Bill
am i incorrect with that.

00:30:19.21
Mike
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. You got to know what the hell you're doing.

00:30:21.37
Bill
Yeah. ah Well, I mean when has that ever stopped me before?

00:30:25.31
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:30:25.70
Normie the Great
ah

00:30:26.79
Bill
But there was ah there was a story a couple years ago, and um it was, I don't remember where in in the Milwaukee area, but it was a nice it was a nice suburb. And the the people had even had cameras in their backs.

00:30:36.71
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:30:40.42
Bill
So what they did was they prepared this whole, you know, and whatever, if my understanding is, and correct me if I'm wrong, if you you cook a brisket, it could be over like 12 hours or more, right? am i Okay, so...

00:30:51.69
Bill
And apparently what these people did is they they got the brisket together, did whatever, started it at whatever time, and were going to let it cook overnight. Who knows if it was a weekend or whatever the deal was, but they were going to let it cook overnight.

00:31:02.72
Bill
So they they show that the camera shows, and they never caught the guy, some guy. just walking into their patio.

00:31:10.45
Mike
o

00:31:10.46
Bill
Opens up the smoker and it doesn't even, he may have had gloves on, but didn't have like a container or anything like that, you know, but just. Took the entire brisket and fucking walked away with it

00:31:20.54
Normie the Great
ah no

00:31:20.79
Mike
Nice.

00:31:21.88
Bill
Yeah. And I mean, again, the cost and whatever and the audacity and I mean, all that shit. But I mean. i'm like because they they kept talking about because you could see in I looked online, and you could see, the like again, the grainy kind of video of it because it's obviously at night. But the guy just grabbed it. I mean, the thing had to be just ridiculously hot. so Do you have gloves on?

00:31:41.69
Bill
Did you throw in your backpack?

00:31:43.22
Normie the Great
think

00:31:42.78
Bill
I mean, what did...

00:31:43.75
Normie the Great
but he Got some oven mitts with you? or I mean...

00:31:46.71
Bill
i you know I don't know. Maybe the guy maybe the guy had in you know off-camera had something that he put it in because I'm guessing that if you maybe if you were walking by, you could smell it. you know I don't know.

00:31:55.60
Mike
Mm-hmm

00:31:56.11
Normie the Great
Right.

00:31:56.63
Mike
Hmm.

00:31:57.56
Bill
You know, just some fucking thief going, hmm. I smell brisket. Let me go get my cooler.

00:32:03.16
Normie the Great
Right?

00:32:04.26
Bill
But yeah, I don't know if I ever had it, but it was it was delicious. It wasn't in, and I wasn't like ridiculously stuffed. Mike had a to-go bag, and then that was your dinner.

00:32:13.05
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:32:14.19
Normie the Great
The next day.

00:32:14.29
Bill
That was your dinner on Saturday, right?

00:32:15.62
Mike
Yes it was.

00:32:16.18
Normie the Great
Right? Right.

00:32:18.42
Bill
hu

00:32:18.37
Normie the Great
Smart. Smart.

00:32:19.31
Bill
Yeah, it was. It was great. i i went I ran around and did some grocery shopping on Saturday, and I got but i got back. and Mike's just sitting at the table watching Price is Right.

00:32:29.96
Mike
Hehehehehehe.

00:32:31.11
Bill
And just you know got his fucking spread laid out in front of him.

00:32:33.81
Mike
Yes I did.

00:32:34.06
Bill
just You know, eat like a happy ah happy little boy. so but

00:32:37.77
Normie the Great
Mm hmm.

00:32:37.44
Mike
Yes, eating like a fucking king.

00:32:40.01
Bill
Yeah, it was it was really good.

00:32:39.98
Normie the Great
Right.

00:32:41.49
Bill
and then yeah i mean So so that was that was our Friday. We we walked around. oh du

00:32:46.45
Mike
the Bats.

00:32:46.80
Bill
The bats. Yeah, tell us to tell about the bats, Mike.

00:32:47.36
Normie the Great
Yes.

00:32:47.98
Mike
Pfft.

00:32:48.98
Bill
you this is this is your This is your time.

00:32:49.47
Normie the Great
Getting Maddie in Austin.

00:32:51.34
Bill
Yeah, the bats.

00:32:51.80
Mike
You're right. Absolutely. Well, i I was aware. I've always known that there's a huge bat colony. There's a bridge that goes over the river downtown, and there's a colony of bats under that live under the bridge, yeah about a million and a half of them.

00:33:07.97
Mike
And at dusk, as bats will do, they they come out, they fly out to go hunting for the night. And so a...

00:33:14.28
Bill
Right.

00:33:15.44
Mike
million point. 1 .5 million bats. fly out from under this bridge when the sun's going down. And it's it's a big thing in Austin. And, you know, there were people lined all across the bridge on top and people all packed below. And we went down below and we watched the bats come out. It was amazing.

00:33:35.11
Bill
You know, ah and... I have, ah once again, not that not you know Why would I have heard about it? I mean, well you you did, but I don't know. how or why or how it came across it, but I've never i've never even, I know for a fact I've never heard about that.

00:33:48.43
Mike
Hmm.

00:33:48.09
Bill
You know?

00:33:49.38
Mike
Yeah, I mean ah Austin's famous for it.

00:33:49.54
Bill
Um, i Again, no clue. None.

00:33:53.46
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:33:53.66
Bill
none whatsoever but you know that because the funny part was that i think you You told us, I mean, after we first got down there because we were kind of walking around a little bit.

00:34:02.28
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:34:02.85
Bill
to begin with and trying to figure out what we were going to do. We walked up by the Capitol, and it was ah it had rained a little bit, so it was kind of overcast, and we were just figuring out if we were going to have to...

00:34:06.39
Mike
Right?

00:34:10.44
Bill
you know, dodge fucking raindrops or whatever the case was going through there. but i think pretty much right away you brought that up you're like hey this thing with the bats and kathy and i are just like really that sounds really fucking cool

00:34:17.11
Mike
Mm hmm. Right yeah Yes.

00:34:23.24
Bill
you know So yeah, we went in eights and then had time to walk up to the Capitol and then got down, literally got down right at right as some of them were starting to come out.

00:34:30.46
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:34:31.21
Bill
And, I mean, caught a beautiful sunset on top of that, too, you know, doubt going down the river.

00:34:33.71
Mike
Right.

00:34:34.90
Bill
But um it was just, it was crazy when you look off in the distance because, I mean, it it went in how many waves? Three, four waves, I think. during the time we were there.

00:34:43.02
Mike
Mm hmm. Right?

00:34:44.96
Bill
You know, and to begin with, you're like, how that doesn't look like a billion until you start to see them, you know, and then like.

00:34:48.13
Mike
Yeah.

00:34:48.14
Normie the Great
Oh my God. Across the river.

00:34:50.75
Bill
Yeah, second wave and third wave.

00:34:51.09
Normie the Great
Yeah.

00:34:51.97
Bill
And then, yeah, you look across and it looked like this, um like a movie, like this swarm of just, I mean.

00:34:57.74
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:34:57.89
Normie the Great
yes

00:34:58.74
Bill
it was

00:34:58.93
Normie the Great
ah Birds! ah

00:35:00.57
Bill
It was crazy. And you're just looking at this whole thing just move home along and go out. And you're like... Jesus Christ.

00:35:07.82
Mike
mm-hmm

00:35:08.02
Normie the Great
That's a lot of bats. dismiss

00:35:09.33
Bill
Right. There's fucking bats everywhere, you know, and.

00:35:11.91
Mike
It was.

00:35:12.28
Bill
um

00:35:12.59
Mike
Beautiful.

00:35:13.65
Bill
Oh, it was, it was.

00:35:14.50
Normie the Great
It was very cool. It was really cool.

00:35:15.55
Bill
Unbelievable. Unbelievable. And then the picture that you got, Mike, where did you get the where did you get that from?

00:35:21.62
Mike
What picture?

00:35:23.08
Bill
The picture you just... ah you put up in your in your place, in your house.

00:35:26.40
Mike
Oh, the poster.

00:35:26.83
Normie the Great
Oh, that was off the pole from taco night.

00:35:28.14
Bill
Yeah.

00:35:28.97
Mike
Yeah, it was off the pole from the top first night we were there. It was out front of the taco place.

00:35:34.15
Bill
Oh really?

00:35:34.67
Mike
Yeah, there was a bunch of, I mean, there was a bunch of different, you know, yeah, it was, you know, bands and whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:35:35.16
Normie the Great
you

00:35:39.14
Bill
Right.

00:35:39.74
Mike
And that was up there and I was all well. I'm going to take this home with me. Yes, the Batfest.

00:35:45.48
Bill
ah

00:35:45.52
Normie the Great
Yeah.

00:35:45.91
Mike
And it's it's just cool. It's a guitar with bat wings. And, yeah, it was you know I was all, well, that's going to look good in my house. And it does.

00:35:52.74
Bill
Right.

00:35:53.13
Normie the Great
He like walked back in.

00:35:54.58
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:35:54.73
Normie the Great
He's like, yeah, this, this. i I'm taking this home. Like, where was it?

00:35:57.78
Mike
Yes, souvenir.

00:35:58.60
Normie the Great
i't

00:35:59.37
Bill
and

00:35:59.50
Normie the Great
On a... Telephone pole. I'm like, alright.

00:36:01.27
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:36:01.46
Normie the Great
Let me put it in my purse.

00:36:03.70
Mike
Hehehehe.

00:36:04.72
Bill
yes Yeah, see, I actually didn't i didn't realize or I didn't remember that you got it the got a Thursday night. But, yeah, that's cool.

00:36:09.94
Normie the Great
Yeah.

00:36:10.17
Bill
I mean, it's a nice it's a nice picture. But, yeah, the bat fest I thought was kind of funny.

00:36:13.66
Mike
Mhm.

00:36:15.26
Bill
But um having yeah, so

00:36:16.03
Mike
which I believe is going on this weekend.

00:36:18.78
Normie the Great
Oh really?

00:36:19.12
Bill
Oh is it?

00:36:19.12
Normie the Great
Cool.

00:36:19.80
Mike
Yeah.

00:36:20.22
Bill
ha Fucking bat fest.

00:36:22.87
Mike
Yeah, apparently, i because I kind of did a little research.

00:36:23.26
Normie the Great
That's awesome.

00:36:25.09
Mike
Yeah, they closed down the bridge and they have vans and stuff on there and food trucks and blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:36:27.74
Normie the Great
Oh nice.

00:36:30.56
Mike
blah Yeah, it's a whole thing.

00:36:34.30
Bill
Yep, I had...

00:36:34.21
Normie the Great
Awesome.

00:36:34.80
Bill
Again, my head I had no idea. I just saw a I have a dog thing I'm going to mute.

00:36:40.42
Mike
ah Jesus Christ, man. It's been there forever. Yeah.

00:36:42.67
Normie the Great
I was like.

00:36:42.85
Mike
she she went out She went away and came back.

00:36:43.20
Bill
I know.

00:36:44.73
Mike
You were too busy talking.

00:36:46.66
Bill
No, i'm i'm I'm not looking.

00:36:47.52
Normie the Great
I text, yeah, I messaged.

00:36:48.59
Bill
I'm not looking at the computer. I'm just, I'm kicked back in my in my chair, like looking looking out in the living room.

00:36:50.50
Normie the Great
Oh.

00:36:53.42
Bill
So whether I was talking or not, I'm not looking at the computer screen. I just look back.

00:36:56.58
Mike
Peace.

00:36:56.37
Bill
I'm like, what is that? yeah so

00:36:57.49
Mike
glanced over and sighed.

00:36:58.11
Normie the Great
Yeah, the it's Friday night. and the before the they do fireworks at the high school before the football game.

00:37:05.87
Bill
Right?

00:37:05.75
Mike
Aha.

00:37:06.20
Normie the Great
And so all of a sudden the fireworks started going off and then they... did like a little finale thing and Katniss and Tucker were at the door. freaking out so

00:37:14.16
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:37:14.31
Bill
Right.

00:37:15.15
Normie the Great
They're now sitting on my lap. Katniss is fine.

00:37:17.61
Mike
Hehehehe.

00:37:17.07
Bill
ah

00:37:17.56
Normie the Great
Tugger is uncertain. He doesn't want to be here.

00:37:20.24
Mike
Yeah.

00:37:20.02
Normie the Great
so

00:37:20.97
Bill
Right.

00:37:21.10
Normie the Great
But they're not barking. They were just scratching hard at the door. so

00:37:23.78
Mike
That's fine. They've been on here before. We've heard them in the background plenty of times.

00:37:26.10
Normie the Great
Right.

00:37:27.01
Bill
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:37:29.96
Bill
Everyone knows about the dogs, I think. you know there was We've had a couple of guests on that they're like, hey, we haven't heard the dogs tonight.

00:37:35.01
Normie the Great
ah Right.

00:37:36.08
Bill
Yeah.

00:37:36.66
Normie the Great
Too bad.

00:37:36.91
Bill
like Yeah, they're they're quiet. they're or they Either they haven't been here or they're quiet or or whatever the case is.

00:37:38.73
Normie the Great
Hmm.

00:37:41.77
Bill
but

00:37:41.97
Normie the Great
Right.

00:37:43.21
Bill
Yeah, but I mean, that it yeah Friday night, was it was fun. And like I said, we just kicked around downtown and we found a... you know, both times ah actually found a parking garage. you know, not too far from where the, where the restaurant was.

00:37:55.50
Bill
So very convenient.

00:37:55.87
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:37:56.61
Bill
And there's a, and I think I've said this before, cause I don't like it. I use this when we went up to see the Foo Fighters, but for anyone who's never used, if you're trying to park someplace, it's called ParkWiz.

00:38:07.100
Bill
And it sounds I know it sounds kind of funny, but it's ah it's an app. And um I have found, we found parking in downtown Austin for Friday and Saturday. Saturday, we didn't use it, but it was, we got $8 parking on Saturday. and $12 or $15 parking on on Friday night.

00:38:24.97
Bill
in in I mean, right in downtown Austin. I mean, where all these other places around there, I mean, I saw some of them were like $35, $40 and that sort of thing.

00:38:31.48
Normie the Great
oh Yeah, I was going to say $25, yeah. Right?

00:38:34.47
Bill
Yeah. So, um, I don't know. I highly recommend it. I've never gotten screwed on it. It's always been exactly what it's, uh, what it said it would be. And I always the deal, um, you know, so that's what we got our parking down there.

00:38:44.84
Bill
And then, um, yeah, Saturday, I mean, I, I ran around, I mean, you guys didn't do much on Saturday. I went around, got some shopping done and then, um, then yeah, I mean, Saturday night was the, was the event.

00:38:55.13
Normie the Great
Mm hmm.

00:38:55.00
Mike
It was. the event

00:38:56.43
Bill
You're...

00:38:56.46
Normie the Great
Mm hmm.

00:38:57.64
Bill
I just heard you breathe into your microphone, Kathy.

00:38:59.83
Mike
He he he he he.

00:39:00.05
Normie the Great
Oh sorry.

00:39:00.75
Bill
No, no, no, that's fine.

00:39:01.45
Normie the Great
but

00:39:01.77
Bill
I just heard...

00:39:03.68
Normie the Great
ah nice all right i'll try not to do that

00:39:05.67
Bill
Yeah. No, it's it's fine.

00:39:07.19
Normie the Great
o hu

00:39:08.05
Bill
It's fine. It's just a little. little Here's the good news. you don't You're not eating caramel corn out of a crinkly bag this time.

00:39:12.73
Normie the Great
Right. True.

00:39:13.63
Bill
So, I mean, we're yeah yeah we're a good shit.

00:39:13.97
Normie the Great
I forgot about that.

00:39:16.11
Mike
a

00:39:16.21
Normie the Great
Ha ha.

00:39:17.38
Bill
No, you've you've been used as an example a few times ah along the way.

00:39:20.18
Normie the Great
Oh. ha

00:39:20.40
Bill
so but um

00:39:21.54
Normie the Great
all right Excellent.

00:39:23.83
Bill
But, yeah, so, I mean, so yeah Saturday night we we ended up. And, you know, obviously get everything get everything all set, got all dressed up and did our thing and, you know, went down went down to the event.

00:39:30.98
Mike
Mm-hmm washed our asses.

00:39:33.92
Bill
Yeah, as as Marty says, so yeah, we we all washed our asses and went to downtown Austin again.

00:39:34.61
Normie the Great
Wow.

00:39:36.52
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:39:40.46
Mike
Uh huh.

00:39:41.17
Bill
It drove down there, and was it like ah it wasn't at Sands Bar. We actually never made it to Sands Bar itself, but which I was just like, just thought about that.

00:39:45.79
Mike
No.

00:39:46.77
Normie the Great
who

00:39:49.01
Bill
We never actually went there. but Not a big deal. but um you know Basically, it was in i was a place that was off-site, and when we first pulled up there, it... It didn't look like anything.

00:39:59.51
Bill
We're like, are we in the right fucking place? We pulled off a side street and I pulled it up. I'm like, it says we're here.

00:40:05.40
Mike
Right.

00:40:05.80
Normie the Great
Right.

00:40:06.43
Bill
You know, and I'm showing the picture and Kathy's like, I saw nothing that looked like that.

00:40:10.47
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:40:10.86
Bill
And then we we pull up and there's this guy standing by this gate. She's like, maybe he knows. So we rolled down the window and he's like, you looking for Sands Bar?

00:40:15.53
Mike
Hehehe.

00:40:18.02
Bill
You're at the right place. We're like, fuck, that's good. so Got parking, went in there, and then met met Chris pretty much right away.

00:40:24.36
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:40:25.04
Bill
And then start people started kind of you know kind of milling in and stuff like that. Met a couple other people. Met two individuals that knew our friend Elise, of course, from The Sober Curator. A lot of people know her.

00:40:34.94
Normie the Great
whoo

00:40:36.53
Bill
um but um But, yeah, it was it was just a, um I don't know, again, number of people. What did we figure? How many people were there total?

00:40:42.05
Normie the Great
50.

00:40:43.20
Mike
Meh.

00:40:44.03
Normie the Great
A little over, well, there were, yeah, a little over 50, I think.

00:40:47.67
Mike
Yeah. That's about right.

00:40:49.57
Bill
Yeah, I mean, because I know that because, yeah, you said, Kathy, what they were like 60 or 58, 60 chair or something like that, whatever the case was. Yeah, I hadn't even paid attention.

00:40:55.50
Normie the Great
Yeah.

00:40:56.36
Bill
But but it was nice. And they had like non-alcoholic beverages and whatever. And you had, Kathy, a.

00:41:03.71
Normie the Great
I had a fabulous hazy IPA.

00:41:06.76
Mike
a

00:41:07.29
Normie the Great
That was really good.

00:41:08.76
Bill
Yeah, and it was not alcoholic, and you said it tasted...

00:41:11.09
Normie the Great
Correct.

00:41:11.55
Bill
Really like ah like a fucking beer, right?

00:41:14.14
Normie the Great
Tasted like a regular beer, yeah.

00:41:16.18
Bill
Yeah, which is, that's what she looks at me. She's like, yeah, you you don't want to have one of these.

00:41:19.32
Normie the Great
right

00:41:19.11
Bill
I'm like, no, I don't.

00:41:19.85
Mike
He he he he he he he.

00:41:20.61
Bill
I'm like, I have no desire to.

00:41:22.13
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:41:21.92
Bill
I'm like, I want something. And then Mike's like, here, sparkling water. So I grabbed one of those. but um

00:41:26.61
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:41:27.85
Bill
I mean, it was nice, and we were, what, the third, maybe fourth?

00:41:31.88
Mike
Yeah, third, I think.

00:41:32.22
Normie the Great
hu

00:41:33.43
Mike
award

00:41:33.80
Normie the Great
Yeah.

00:41:33.69
Bill
Yeah. Yeah, we were like...

00:41:34.31
Mike
presented

00:41:34.90
Bill
Yeah, like right right in the beginning, and then it was um Chris, who, again, is the one that started up Sands Bar, and then... ah ah Now her name is escaping me, but um he had a co-host there.

00:41:45.65
Bill
she's been I know she's been sober for, like what she said, like two and a half years, whatever the case was.

00:41:46.05
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:41:49.42
Mike
Something like that.

00:41:49.63
Bill
And I forget what her background is and what her deal is.

00:41:51.92
Normie the Great
Claire? Was it clear?

00:41:52.96
Bill
yeah claire there you go there you go

00:41:54.23
Mike
Alright.

00:41:55.39
Bill
I'm going to go with that because that sounds familiar. But the two of them, you know, went back and forth and they read off all the nominees and and blah, blah, blah. And then, you know, yeah, we came up and then we got to we got to stand up there and say, you know, kind of kind of like we do here, you know, or kind of like we do in a lead.

00:42:06.79
Normie the Great
hu

00:42:09.16
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:42:10.37
Bill
We just, I don't know, said whatever was was on our minds at the at the time. And once again, and if you if you don't follow us on Instagram, you can also look on on Facebook if you happen to be on there.

00:42:14.18
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:42:21.04
Bill
We posted pictures from All of these things that we're talking about, including Kathy took a bunch of pictures, took a video of us, our our acceptance speech, as you want to put it that way.

00:42:30.60
Mike
h Sure.

00:42:33.26
Bill
But, you know, it was it was nice. and I mean, all in all, I think it was nice to probably nice to get it out of the way right up front and have to sit there, you know, the entire time and just just wait for it.

00:42:40.25
Mike
Yeah.

00:42:42.66
Bill
But. um I don't know. I mean, it was, I've never been, have you ever been involved in anything like that before where you've been given some sort of award, Mike?

00:42:51.04
Mike
um um Um, not that I can remember.

00:42:54.80
Bill
ha Yeah. And I mean, with the exception of like, I don't know, I mean, I've been when I played sports, you know, you go to a banquet and you get, you know, some sort of, you know, thing for being at a banquet or whatever.

00:43:03.90
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:43:05.88
Bill
But I mean, I've never been I've never been involved in something like that before. um It was it was a nice it was a really nice setup. It was it was kind of funny. We were laughing a little bit because a lot of the people got up there and I mean, more power to them.

00:43:18.11
Bill
You know, people had, you know.

00:43:18.34
Mike
Sure.

00:43:20.39
Bill
literally had typed up.

00:43:22.53
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:43:22.74
Bill
acceptance speeches, which, again, you know,

00:43:23.77
Normie the Great
hu

00:43:24.15
Mike
Yes.

00:43:25.45
Bill
You do you. you know I mean, we're we're comfortable.

00:43:26.68
Mike
Yep.

00:43:27.92
Bill
I mean, granted, i have I have printed sheets. I've got a bunch of them in front of me. We talk about that all the time. But these are just like bullet points you know for for things for us to talk about. um we've

00:43:37.42
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:43:38.40
Bill
the only other the only thing that we've ever um that we ever did word for word that we read off of we've done i think two things so far um heather's thing that she gave us that we read off her promo um actually let me step back we did one for the sober curator for heather and then um

00:43:47.62
Mike
Right? Yeah.

00:43:51.75
Mike
ah

00:43:54.15
Bill
the FCC disclosure that we did at at the beginning because we were told that that's kind of important.

00:43:56.24
Mike
Right.

00:43:59.31
Bill
you know So we we had that.

00:43:59.05
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:43:59.31
Normie the Great
who

00:44:00.70
Bill
And Mike, Mike did it. That as was one take.

00:44:04.07
Mike
It was.

00:44:05.06
Normie the Great
who

00:44:05.30
Bill
I listen to that every week and I'm like, that's so fucking great. You did such a, it was just, I mean, cause you and I can't seem. We can do this.

00:44:13.11
Mike
Right.

00:44:13.93
Bill
But we can't read.

00:44:15.21
Mike
No.

00:44:15.37
Bill
you know we can't ah A pre-read or prepared statement we can never do. um you know Put a camera in front of us like ah Mummy and the Monkey did to us.

00:44:21.23
Mike
Right.

00:44:25.08
Bill
and we didn't we didn't know what the We didn't know what the fuck we were doing.

00:44:24.95
Normie the Great
oh yeah

00:44:25.45
Mike
Right.

00:44:28.64
Bill
But um I don't know.

00:44:28.33
Mike
Hehehehehehe.

00:44:30.71
Bill
I mean, the the award ceremony itself was nice, and we got to you know got to talk to Chris a little bit. um And he said that, well... Two things. First of all, he told us that we had, we we won by, and it was his words, we won the award by an overwhelming.

00:44:44.55
Mike
m

00:44:47.20
Bill
margin. or an overwhelming majority, which I thought was, that's kind of cool.

00:44:48.34
Mike
Mm hmm. Right. There it is

00:44:51.65
Bill
Um, And he said also that to begin with, because I mean, we were sitting there talking to him we're like. We didn't even know this was a thing. We don't even know how we got nominated.

00:45:00.36
Mike
he

00:45:01.81
Bill
And he said, you know, just anyone can nominate somebody for one of these awards.

00:45:07.15
Mike
Mhm.

00:45:07.66
Bill
And he said that he just, you know as the... the nominations are coming in and just kept seeing sober, not mature pop up and, and pop up again.

00:45:13.81
Mike
Mmm.

00:45:15.09
Bill
And I'm like, I'm like, really? but So I'm like...

00:45:17.63
Mike
Hehehehe.

00:45:18.01
Normie the Great
who

00:45:19.23
Bill
well I mean part of me is just like Who?

00:45:22.49
Mike
Right.

00:45:24.33
Bill
I mean...

00:45:24.11
Normie the Great
ah Right.

00:45:24.58
Bill
Who, how, what? You know, and and I'm trying not trying to be, you know, self-deprecating on that. I just, I don't, I still, I don't know how this shit came up.

00:45:30.80
Mike
o Yeah.

00:45:33.24
Bill
I have no idea. um You know, I mean, we're, obviously, it's the same thing we said to begin with. It's, we're grateful for it. It's humbling, um all those sort of things.

00:45:39.75
Mike
mm-hmm

00:45:41.66
Bill
but um That's still kind of mind-blowing, but, you know.

00:45:43.49
Normie the Great
well Yeah, I mean you guys have a reach.

00:45:45.14
Bill
im

00:45:46.93
Normie the Great
you definitely have a reach i mean the the thing that i thought was cool about the just the event in general was talking to people and meeting people. There were people there from all across the country.

00:45:56.79
Mike
Mm-hmm

00:45:56.92
Bill
Right.

00:45:57.10
Normie the Great
You know, we talked with one woman who was from, was it San Diego? And then another, her podcast partner was in Pennsylvania.

00:46:02.16
Mike
Right.

00:46:05.57
Normie the Great
There was a gentleman that's got a... ah Yeah. bar restaurant in Lafayette like where kle Kylie is and it's just like all over the place and it's

00:46:12.44
Bill
oh Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:46:13.13
Mike
Yeah.

00:46:17.92
Normie the Great
It's cool. It's always great to see the reach. you know, the sober community, at least if you're AA based is. anonymous right so maybe it's a little quiet but just seeing different views different perspectives

00:46:26.39
Mike
h

00:46:32.22
Normie the Great
and just the the overall reach of you know chris and sans bar and the Academy Awards and what. you guys and everybody else that was there are doing is. Amazing.

00:46:43.41
Mike
mm-hmm

00:46:43.49
Bill
Right. Yeah, I mean, it's ah it's a whole different thing. And you know and then you know we were talking and... And somehow Sober Cure did... Curator came up and you know i said I said, yeah, we're affiliated with them. We're sober curators. He's like, really?

00:46:58.13
Bill
And he's like, he goes, I had no idea.

00:46:58.20
Mike
Hmm. Hmm.

00:47:00.08
Bill
And he goes, Elise. And he goes, she's a character. I'm like, oh, yeah. Yeah. And we've known. I said, it's a funny story how we met her. I said, you know, too long of a story for now. But but I said, yeah. I and mean, she she knows everyone.

00:47:10.94
Bill
You know, and she won whatever the award was last year. And I can't remember what the what the award was. but um And yeah, and then as soon as we got, you know, whenever I sent the stuff to her and, you know, I'm thinking that she's like, oh, just get me a write-up or whatever.

00:47:23.46
Bill
And I did it the next day. And then, um you know, obviously did that, did that write-up and then got that over to her.

00:47:25.19
Mike
ah

00:47:29.99
Bill
And she just, and she normally it's. there The Sober Curator has a lot of content just for everyone who doesn't know this. I mean, there is a lot of content and they do it over time and they release at certain dates and they spread this stuff out and so they don't just dump.

00:47:44.13
Bill
content on on everyone.

00:47:45.66
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:47:45.95
Bill
um But, I mean, she went in right away and it did it up and edited the pictures and it got it up, like, right fucking now, you know?

00:47:50.06
Mike
Yeah.

00:47:52.87
Mike
Yes, you did

00:47:54.07
Bill
And I was... I was like blown away by that, but I mean, she's so, I mean, but I know that she's proud of us, you know, for, for it and proud of the fact that we're part of that too.

00:47:59.33
Mike
Mm-hmm. Hmm.

00:48:02.69
Bill
So proud of, you know, the affiliation that we have with them. And um yeah, I mean, to your point, Kathy, it's just the, the, the things that the sober community, you know, does, and we knew nothing about. majority of this you know four and a half years ago you know

00:48:12.98
Normie the Great
no Right. Right. Yeah, absolutely.

00:48:17.07
Bill
So I don't know. Yeah, just ah it was ah it was a good night. And, I mean, just all in all, I mean, just the the people, you know, we got to shoot the shit with. and and We didn't stay too long. I don't even know what time it was that we got we left out of there.

00:48:29.20
Bill
but i mean

00:48:29.53
Mike
About nine o 'clock. I mean, it ended at nine. We were there probably 20 minutes after the ceremony ended.

00:48:34.41
Normie the Great
who

00:48:34.49
Bill
Yeah.

00:48:35.39
Mike
And yeah, we were gone.

00:48:37.86
Bill
But it was it was funny, though, that and we were talking about it on the way home that, you know, it's the ceremony started at seven and ended it at nine.

00:48:42.80
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:48:43.40
Bill
And I mean, they had it even with, you know, a lot of these, you know, acceptance speeches were I don't want to say they went long because there was no time frame.

00:48:43.88
Mike
Yup.

00:48:47.77
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:48:50.39
Bill
But, you know, I mean, people had a lot that they wanted to people to thank and say and explain.

00:48:50.88
Mike
Right.

00:48:54.70
Normie the Great
Oh yeah.

00:48:55.03
Bill
And, um you know, a again, smallish group with the awards. But it it was kind of surprising in how. how right on they were with the time. It wasn't like it it got done a half hour early or ran a half hour over.

00:49:03.60
Mike
a

00:49:06.70
Bill
It was it was like... 10 minutes before or five minutes before. I mean, it ran. I was kind of shocked with that. how

00:49:13.28
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:49:13.57
Bill
how tight the the timing was, you know? So yeah, they, they definitely have a, they know what they're doing, I guess so far. or So.

00:49:19.46
Mike
Sure.

00:49:20.62
Bill
but

00:49:20.79
Normie the Great
Right?

00:49:21.05
Mike
Glad somebody does.

00:49:22.39
Bill
Yeah, exactly.

00:49:22.64
Normie the Great
ah

00:49:23.23
Bill
Well, in in speaking of not necessarily knowing what we're doing, Mike, but but anyhow.

00:49:25.81
Mike
Yes. that's a very good point all right well we're going to turn this over to some people that probably know what they're doing and listen to their commercials right after this break.

00:49:46.87
Bill
All right, everyone. Welcome back.

00:49:49.73
Mike
That dad came out like... shit but whatever they're not they're not all golden hey but we already won the award so fuck it

00:49:51.94
Normie the Great
ah

00:49:56.39
Bill
Heh heh. you know You know what? im I'm glad you brought it. I was going to leave it alone. I swear to God, I was going to i was goingnna fucking leave it alone in my in my head.

00:50:01.13
Mike
who Hmm.

00:50:04.49
Bill
i'm I'm trying not to fucking laugh because I'm like... i'm like What just happened? by I think Mike had a stroke.

00:50:10.00
Mike
they Yeah, exactly. You know, they're not our gold kids.

00:50:12.15
Bill
And there's... Time for some commercials from this.

00:50:14.31
Normie the Great
ha

00:50:17.13
Bill
Break.

00:50:17.77
Mike
Yes, whatever.

00:50:18.24
Normie the Great
Right?

00:50:18.26
Bill
Bye.

00:50:19.71
Mike
Bye.

00:50:22.04
Bill
Yeah. But, no, I mean, all in all, I mean, it was it was a great weekend. And, you know, you guys got out of here on Sunday.

00:50:26.13
Mike
he

00:50:27.90
Bill
And, I mean, I've just been been here doing doing my work and shit since then. And, um you know, I mean, this place that we stayed in, it was nice, nice and comfortable. And um everything was everything has been been all good and, you know, no issues whatsoever.

00:50:35.84
Mike
okay

00:50:41.07
Bill
Oh, today, ah you remember this story, Mike, and I talked about it on here, so I'm sure you heard it, Kathy, that when I was down in Lake of the Ozarks the first time and the fucking exterminator just kind of walked in.

00:50:51.27
Normie the Great
oh yeah

00:50:51.63
Bill
yeah And, um you know, the that it almost happened again like the next year I was down there.

00:50:56.80
Mike
mm-hmm

00:50:57.20
Bill
But so today, I mean, well, you guys know where my where my desk is is, is opposed to the front door.

00:51:01.19
Normie the Great
right

00:51:01.84
Mike
Right.

00:51:03.14
Bill
So in it's a I don't know, like. three or four minutes before 10, I actually get a break at work at 10 a .m., but I didn't think about it until afterwards, but checkout time is 10 a .m.

00:51:13.10
Bill
here, you know, but but it's...

00:51:13.52
Mike
ahha

00:51:14.41
Normie the Great
Oh.

00:51:15.23
Bill
tomorrow, not not today.

00:51:15.93
Normie the Great
Right.

00:51:16.17
Mike
Right.

00:51:17.53
Bill
So. And you guys know also the alarm every once in a while makes a little bit of noise and this and that and nothing nothing big.

00:51:22.55
Mike
Yeah.

00:51:23.96
Bill
but So I'm sitting here and i'm I'm just finishing up a couple of things before I take my break. And I hear some beeping and all of a sudden I hear the whir of the lock on the door.

00:51:32.18
Mike
o

00:51:32.59
Bill
And it doesn't click right away, but then the fucking door opens.

00:51:36.02
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:51:36.98
Bill
And I'm sitting here at my desk and I look and this lady walks in and she's got something over her shoulder. She's got. bucket with cleaning supplies and she actually she actually walks in and she's like

00:51:43.41
Normie the Great
Oh jeez.

00:51:46.09
Bill
Oh. Um...

00:51:47.25
Mike
Hehehehehehe.

00:51:48.28
Bill
She's like... the The boss man told me that I had to clean today. I said... Nope.

00:51:53.13
Normie the Great
Tomorrow.

00:51:53.36
Bill
I said I'm not checking.

00:51:53.66
Mike
Nope.

00:51:54.73
Bill
I said, I'm not checking out until tomorrow. And then she she jokingly says, she's like. well did you at least make breakfast and then like the door closes and i'm like

00:52:02.68
Normie the Great
Oh my God.

00:52:03.59
Bill
And I'm just kind of...

00:52:03.62
Normie the Great
Leave!

00:52:04.62
Bill
i'm just kind of looking at well she i mean to her point she didn't know what she was walking into anyhow

00:52:07.92
Mike
Right.

00:52:08.39
Normie the Great
Right.

00:52:08.80
Bill
but so she's you know uncomfortably making a joke and i said No, I said I'm working.

00:52:13.41
Normie the Great
Right.

00:52:13.83
Bill
And she's like, well, I guess I get that. And I wasn't rude about it. and I said, no, I'm just working. I didn't laugh at her joke or anything like that.

00:52:19.18
Normie the Great
Right.

00:52:19.74
Bill
It just fucking threw me out. because i'm just literally literally staring at at the door goes staring at her and she's like well I guess I get the morning off

00:52:28.28
Normie the Great
Oh, my God.

00:52:28.38
Mike
Yep.

00:52:29.81
Bill
And she walks out.

00:52:29.85
Normie the Great
You know. i'll tell I'll tell you, as a woman. If I were in that situation, I'd be like. feeling like I was backed into a corner. where's Where's a weapon?

00:52:40.44
Normie the Great
Because i would not i mean I would not feel safe.

00:52:40.50
Mike
Hmm.

00:52:43.81
Normie the Great
Like who's walking in?

00:52:43.87
Bill
Right.

00:52:43.88
Mike
Right.

00:52:45.50
Normie the Great
Am I about to get attacked, murdered, whatever? It's different. you know you're taller bigger whatever guy than i am but yeah that would freak me out not make make me mad just Freak me out.

00:52:57.41
Bill
Right.

00:52:57.41
Mike
o

00:52:58.09
Bill
Pull your microphone down just a little bit so you're not like spitting into it again.

00:52:59.76
Normie the Great
Sorry breathing again Breathing into it.

00:53:03.43
Mike
Heh heh heh heh heh.

00:53:04.32
Bill
No, it's it's it's okay.

00:53:06.24
Normie the Great
Yeah, okay.

00:53:07.51
Bill
it's It's... Sounds perfectly...

00:53:08.94
Normie the Great
Gotcha.

00:53:09.82
Mike
Sounds great.

00:53:14.23
Bill
yeah ah what once Once again, man, can we already run we already won the fucking award.

00:53:14.20
Normie the Great
Oh, such a novice.

00:53:18.54
Bill
Might as well have Kathy out here to...

00:53:19.22
Mike
hehehehehehe

00:53:19.34
Normie the Great
right

00:53:20.61
Mike
Good.

00:53:20.56
Bill
Kathy out here to fuck the place up. it is

00:53:22.30
Normie the Great
hu Yeehaw!

00:53:24.34
Bill
But to no, and i and I get it. It was just, like I said, I think she was just, her momentum kind of already, and she didn't know what to think anymore than I did. um So I, you know, I just, I messaged the guy and I said, just so you know, your cleaning person showed up.

00:53:31.19
Normie the Great
Right.

00:53:36.06
Bill
And I said, I was going to message you anyhow. So I told him about the towel holder and the the toilet that runs a little bit. And I'm like, I'm going to be out of here um early tomorrow morning, one way or the other.

00:53:40.70
Mike
Right.

00:53:43.74
Bill
but You know, I thanked him, and I said everything was fine. We had a great time, and um everything was perfectly fine here.

00:53:47.54
Mike
Mm-hmm

00:53:49.83
Bill
But, but yeah, so and I was looking to, on on the way back, um I was going to try to stop around like Chattanooga and stuff like that because, again, an area that we might be able to scout a little bit. but

00:53:59.73
Mike
Right.

00:54:00.98
Bill
The... um The pricing around that area for Airbnbs, I'm just like... Are you fucking kidding me? But then again, I'm like, this is a holiday weekend I'm getting, I'm heading into.

00:54:07.92
Normie the Great
oh yeah

00:54:09.16
Bill
And I'm like.

00:54:08.91
Mike
Oh yeah.

00:54:09.94
Bill
Then I'm like, ah, fuck me, you know? So, so I'm looking, I'm looking there and then I'm like, ah, what about Nashville again or that area? That's whole all fucking expensive. I'm looking all over the place. I found this, um, this place that I had saved in, um, the Northern part of Arkansas in this really nice area. This, um,

00:54:25.91
Bill
place it's kind of on a river and kind of out in the middle of nowhere but you know close-ish to some trails or whatever so i'm like well worst case scenario if i can't go to either chattanooga or nashville or something like that i'm like i'm gonna try to just Let me... turn this into a destination for a hiking trail, you know? or trails in that the Mark Twain.

00:54:42.82
Bill
National Forest is all around that area, you know part of part of Missouri and like part of Arkansas.

00:54:44.68
Normie the Great
o

00:54:45.07
Mike
Right.

00:54:46.40
Normie the Great
You've hiked that before, right?

00:54:48.12
Bill
ah one One trail, maybe two, because there's there's like, and if you look at it, if you ever look at it on all trails, um it's probably six different.

00:54:50.70
Normie the Great
Yeah.

00:54:58.04
Bill
patches. that are part of, and I don't know how that works. And well, actually I do. Cause I've, I've heard that like, um, I think some of these areas, they'll, they'll like take over certain other areas and just, they become part of, even though they're not connected sort of thing.

00:55:11.70
Normie the Great
who Mm hmm.

00:55:12.66
Bill
so they're you know probably five or six different areas like one couple of big years blah blah so um Yeah, this one I had went to when I was staying in Lake of the Ozarks one time. I drove down one of the northern parts and went on this really cool trail. It had this nice overlook and this cave and all that stuff. um But I'm like, well, I guess I'll end up doing that. So I had this place picked out in in Arkansas, got everything set, Wi-Fi is good, Ethernet connection, all this different stuff, decent price. And then I go to book it, and I look, and I'm like. so

00:55:39.49
Bill
Fuck B. Because I've got a book from like this Saturday to next Saturday, right?

00:55:44.25
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:55:45.14
Bill
somebody had in that, again, this timeframe and this like hour that I've been doing this work, trying to get all this stuff, you know, verified while I'm working. Um, you know, somebody booked in like Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday is filled in.

00:55:55.29
Bill
I'm like, Hey, you fuck.

00:55:55.89
Mike
e

00:55:55.99
Bill
i like Fuck me.

00:55:56.56
Normie the Great
oh

00:55:57.38
Bill
So I'm like, I got to start all over again.

00:55:59.28
Normie the Great
Yeah.

00:55:59.63
Bill
So I end up finding this place in in Alton, Missouri. okay It's this this cabin in the middle of this fucking field.

00:56:03.58
Mike
ah

00:56:05.81
Bill
It's nice. It's new. You'll look at it in the whole bit, and they've got fiber internet, so it's fiber at like 300 megabits in the middle of fucking nowhere. But on the corner of... um Again, this. this Mark Twain National Forest and stuff like that.

00:56:17.61
Normie the Great
cool

00:56:18.49
Bill
So, I mean, I've got i've got that booked. You know, pricing-wise was was medium. It wasn't wasn't too high, too low, that sort of thing. but um But it ends up being where to get to there, the the one place that's going to go in Arkansas is only like...

00:56:30.55
Bill
you know, like eight hours that I would have had, I don't know, like. 9 or 10 heading back to indiana but now it's going to be the other way around this is like 10 at a minimum driving.

00:56:38.86
Mike
o

00:56:40.02
Normie the Great
m

00:56:40.21
Bill
You know, and then probably, I don't know, seven. back to Indiana 8 maybe because it's it's taken me a little bit farther east than that I would have been.

00:56:48.74
Normie the Great
oh ye

00:56:49.60
Bill
But, um I mean, I've got you know i've got you know Sunday and Monday. You know, it's going to be fucking hot, but, I mean, it's... it's a the whole mark twain national forest and shit out there and so i figured that one way or the other

00:56:59.73
Mike
Mm-hmm

00:57:00.30
Bill
you know Go check check that shit out. and I'm still hitting, you know, some of these areas around. I'm having, I had chat do up a whole list of these properties out here in Austin. I'm sending emails out to people and, you know, trying to get some stuff on that. And I haven't heard back from JC yet in Nashville because he was, his wife had the surgery. and you know, kind of waiting to hear on him, but.

00:57:18.18
Normie the Great
Mm-hmm.

00:57:20.00
Bill
But, yeah, so that's that's what I'm doing for for next week. so

00:57:24.07
Normie the Great
Awesome.

00:57:25.16
Bill
Yeah, like I said, but but I'm like, God damn it, because I had this all worked out. I'm like, this will be so fucking perfect, only like a you know i mean fucking eight-hour drive. It's like fucking nothing, you know?

00:57:34.06
Normie the Great
Right.

00:57:34.59
Bill
No, I'm like, yeah. yeah It's going to be 10. I stop and I walk and I do whatever. and I don't know. One way or the other, it's fine. I've got i've got plenty of time.

00:57:40.87
Normie the Great
Whiny, whiny.

00:57:42.44
Bill
No, it's really not. i just it's the The point of it is the problem is it's not even it's not whining. It's when I know when I want to get there. Yeah.

00:57:49.26
Normie the Great
Oh yeah, so you can do your shopping and get set up and stuff.

00:57:49.57
Bill
And. Yeah, I just so I want to do shopping. I don't I don't want to get I would rather. But this is probably going to be a little bit different story because I don't I mean. um I want to get I'm probably only going to get maybe four hours of sleep tonight, which is fine.

00:58:03.46
Bill
You know, I mean, that that is what it is.

00:58:03.70
Normie the Great
Right.

00:58:04.69
Bill
But I've got to be reasonable with with how I you know, how I travel. So I'm not like falling asleep while I'm driving. But in literally it's not it's had nothing to do with whining.

00:58:11.70
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:58:11.55
Normie the Great
who

00:58:14.35
Bill
It's just that I know I want to get there. you know So i I backtrack and I'll i'll get up at some ungodly hour to to get there.

00:58:16.90
Normie the Great
Right.

00:58:20.76
Bill
It's my choice. you know i mean i you know, in the drive itself.

00:58:22.10
Normie the Great
who

00:58:24.04
Bill
I mean, driving down here, is you know, fucking 12 hours ah or 12 and a half. of actual driving and, you know, 13 and a half or whatever it was in a car, it didn't seem that bad. It wasn't that bad. It was fine.

00:58:33.29
Normie the Great
right

00:58:34.45
Bill
you know So this is maybe going to be 11 total of you know car time. um Again, i just i I need to get a little bit of sleep, and I want to be there at a certain time. and that I can get up early and do my stuff. so

00:58:45.40
Normie the Great
Gotcha.

00:58:45.51
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:58:46.85
Bill
But um... Anyhow, so so what else from from the weekend? Anything else from the... that you guys you know kind of had set for the the ceremony or anything any thoughts or

00:58:56.09
Mike
um I mean, do you really want to know my thoughts?

00:58:56.46
Bill
I don't know.

00:59:01.30
Bill
o

00:59:01.95
Mike
Right.

00:59:02.52
Bill
Right. Right. no I know.

00:59:04.63
Mike
um I mean, it was, it was, and we kind of talked about it and whatever, but it was. um You know, definitely not. Mm-hmm. Yes, it was sobriety and it was sober people and whatever, but it wasn't it certainly wasn't AA.

00:59:19.29
Mike
It certainly wasn't recovery.

00:59:19.94
Bill
Right.

00:59:22.15
Mike
um there was There was a little of that in there, but not much. It was it was very different. it was um You know, I've had ah ah had a week to think about it. and um I mean a lot of the people there were um kind of temperance Kind of, um you know...

00:59:41.25
Normie the Great
What do you mean by that?

00:59:42.44
Mike
yeah i mean at one point and i won't say who but someone you know said you know no the the The problem is the alcohol, not... Not the people.

00:59:52.68
Normie the Great
o

00:59:53.72
Mike
And I was like, we both looked at each other and went, wow, that's wrong. um But I understand where they're coming from.

01:00:02.15
Bill
Right.

01:00:02.65
Mike
I mean, i you know, I think...

01:00:03.12
Bill
Right.

01:00:04.08
Mike
oh There was definitely a factor there of people who... were have been negatively affected by alcohol and maybe not.

01:00:15.66
Mike
from their own use. You know what I mean? Um,

01:00:18.39
Bill
Right.

01:00:18.43
Normie the Great
Oh okay.

01:00:19.81
Mike
Yeah, it was definitely, you know, there was there was that some of that. um and and And certainly... you know there's there's a movement There definitely is this movement in in our society right now that's kind of... anti-alcohol

01:00:34.50
Bill
Right.

01:00:34.77
Mike
And um that was definitely shown there. It was prevalent. um And it was just, it was kind of strange. You know, I mean, I get it and I understand it.

01:00:43.13
Normie the Great
Huh.

01:00:45.95
Mike
and and um Yeah, um...

01:00:49.55
Normie the Great
Definitely not Cleveland AA, right?

01:00:51.16
Mike
No, definitely not. um Yeah. Okay. Bill, you read the 24 hour book today, right?

01:00:59.06
Bill
I posted it, and i i was going to I've got my phone.

01:01:00.47
Mike
Did you?

01:01:01.70
Bill
I've got my phone right in front of me I posted it today

01:01:01.80
Mike
ah Ah. I've got the book right next to me.

01:01:05.91
Bill
Okay, you said be before you before you read that, I want i want to comment on what you just said.

01:01:08.21
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.

01:01:09.85
Bill
Literally, I planned on reading this tonight, so I'm glad i'm glad that you that you've got that.

01:01:12.32
Mike
Cool. Mm-hmm

01:01:13.65
Bill
So um so here here's the thing, and I agree with you, and we were talking about it on on the way back. and you know the the thing The thing of it is, and it's not that um it's not that.

01:01:19.39
Mike
a

01:01:24.34
Bill
Any of us, or I'll say either one of us, ah Mike and I, not excluding you, Kathy, but sort of just because you're not part of the thing.

01:01:26.63
Mike
mm-hmm

01:01:29.46
Normie the Great
Oh, come on. I was dry for three days.

01:01:30.85
Bill
um

01:01:31.79
Normie the Great
Not sober.

01:01:32.37
Bill
Yeah, I'm

01:01:32.13
Mike
Hehehehehehehehe.

01:01:33.16
Normie the Great
I was dry for three...

01:01:33.33
Bill
Well, you were...

01:01:33.96
Normie the Great
time

01:01:34.83
Bill
You were alcohol.

01:01:34.98
Mike
God you were weren't you?

01:01:36.49
Bill
you were You were alcohol-free. You fit right in.

01:01:38.26
Normie the Great
Yes.

01:01:39.08
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:01:38.69
Bill
You fit right in.

01:01:39.13
Normie the Great
Yes.

01:01:39.42
Bill
You were alcohol-free.

01:01:40.77
Mike
Great.

01:01:40.41
Bill
So, see, that as opposed to that first couple of years where whenever we were at Founders Day when you said you were sober, which was untrue.

01:01:47.51
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:01:47.56
Normie the Great
come

01:01:47.72
Bill
you could now label yourself as alcohol-free and be, you know, line up with with society.

01:01:48.89
Normie the Great
Right.

01:01:50.39
Mike
Yep.

01:01:51.26
Normie the Great
Yes.

01:01:52.08
Bill
So the the thing with it, so starting back to when when we started this podcast and we first got on Instagram, I guess meaning me, but I explained it to Mike on on here, um I didn't know what AF was.

01:01:59.65
Mike
Uh huh. Right.

01:02:03.34
Bill
I've always used it as, I mean, that's as fuck, you know, to me.

01:02:04.06
Normie the Great
Mm-hmm. You're right.

01:02:06.01
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:02:07.14
Bill
It doesn't mean alcohol-free and never did, but yes, it does. So as soon as I got on Instagram, I see all this stuff, and I realized, and somebody explained it to me, and I'm like, duh. And, you know, after seeing all these things, I i learned about, and we've we've talked about all these things on here in the last four and a half years because neither one of us, being Mike and I, had any idea what these things were, or at least not really if we knew of them or heard of them, whatever.

01:02:21.57
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:02:27.18
Mike
Right.

01:02:30.74
Bill
so

01:02:30.63
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:02:31.88
Bill
Alcohol-free, sober curious, gray area drinking, the movement that you're talking about.

01:02:35.13
Mike
Mm hmm. huh

01:02:37.58
Bill
you know I mean, none of these things we knew.

01:02:37.46
Mike
Right.

01:02:39.92
Bill
there are people out there that are anti-alcohol, but we didn't necessarily see it as as a group and ah and as a movement.

01:02:42.40
Mike
Mm-hmm

01:02:46.13
Bill
And you know what?

01:02:46.49
Mike
Right.

01:02:47.01
Bill
And Mike and I talk about it on on here all the time. To each his own. I mean, these people aren't out there.

01:02:51.80
Mike
ah

01:02:52.68
Bill
They're out there making their so making their world a better place. They're not hurting people.

01:02:55.46
Normie the Great
hu Yeah.

01:02:55.51
Mike
Yep. Right?

01:02:56.82
Bill
They're staying sober. They're doing things their way. Do we have to agree with them or do they have to agree with us?

01:02:59.07
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:03:02.21
Mike
No.

01:03:02.46
Bill
Absolutely not.

01:03:03.57
Mike
No.

01:03:04.04
Bill
And it doesn't mean that we didn't have a good time. its just you know what I think the words that we use, that it's they're not necessarily our people.

01:03:05.97
Mike
ah hu

01:03:11.35
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:03:11.66
Bill
You know, in the sense of who we would hang out with all the time in a recovery setting, let's say.

01:03:16.16
Mike
Right.

01:03:16.30
Normie the Great
who

01:03:16.84
Bill
And we're not their people for the same reason.

01:03:18.69
Mike
Right.

01:03:19.38
Bill
but We could all get together and hang out at a restaurant and have a wonderful meal or go to a baseball game or do anything like that.

01:03:24.35
Mike
We can.

01:03:26.03
Normie the Great
right

01:03:26.58
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:03:26.60
Bill
But it's just when you start you know you know getting into that, we we have different ideas and different opinions you know with that sort of thing.

01:03:31.91
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:03:32.10
Normie the Great
Mm hmm.

01:03:32.74
Bill
And yeah, it's... um I mean, our opinion is it's, I mean, alcohol, alcohol, heroin. What do you say? What a symptom, right, Mike?

01:03:39.70
Mike
Absolutely. Yeah, that's straight out of the big book.

01:03:41.93
Bill
hey

01:03:43.16
Mike
Alcohol is but a symptom, which means that heroin is but a symptom and crack is just but a symptom. And yes, right. You know, selfishness and self-centeredness, that we think is the root of our troubles.

01:03:54.14
Bill
Hehehehe. Right, yeah, and and that's the thing.

01:03:54.97
Normie the Great
who

01:03:57.01
Bill
you know if If we would have just, if if Mike and I, and we'll speak for ourselves with this, but there's ah a ton of fucking people that in AA that are the same way.

01:04:02.74
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:04:06.62
Mike
Right

01:04:06.65
Bill
There's a ton of people who aren't in AA that are the same way. If a large group of people, a certain number of people would have just removed. the substance from their life their lives would still be fucked up today

01:04:15.72
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right. Yep.

01:04:19.20
Bill
You know, however, there are people that can remove that substance and literally have a better life just by doing that, you know.

01:04:22.40
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:04:25.13
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

01:04:26.87
Bill
Perfect. That's not us.

01:04:28.33
Mike
Meh.

01:04:28.38
Bill
Okay.

01:04:28.43
Mike
Right.

01:04:29.65
Bill
So, I mean, I would i just – and I wasn't trying to jump on the on the reading, but I mean, 100 % agree with you, and we had talked about that.

01:04:33.16
Mike
No.

01:04:36.53
Bill
and And we don't mean that in a negative way.

01:04:36.95
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:04:39.26
Bill
The event itself was beautiful.

01:04:39.32
Mike
No. Hmm.

01:04:41.29
Bill
um It just –

01:04:41.02
Mike
It was.

01:04:41.28
Normie the Great
Oh yeah, it's just different, not what you're used to.

01:04:42.74
Bill
Yeah, it's literally laying out that the differences that we saw and experienced. And, you know, I think that if anyone from that group listens to it, I think that they if they've listened to us and dig dig into anything that we do, they would 100 % agree the the opposite way with us.

01:04:57.70
Bill
so

01:04:58.32
Mike
Right.

01:04:59.15
Bill
i think I think we're all on this all at the the same page on both sides of the table with that, you know, exactly what we were just talking about.

01:05:04.71
Mike
Well, hopefully.

01:05:05.29
Bill
but Yeah.

01:05:05.91
Mike
and and Yeah, right.

01:05:06.69
Normie the Great
Right.

01:05:06.89
Mike
And if not, you got a problem with it, well, go away.

01:05:08.79
Bill
exactly, exactly

01:05:09.95
Normie the Great
Huh. It's C.

01:05:12.03
Bill
But yeah, when when I read the...

01:05:12.90
Normie the Great
It seems... Oh, sorry, go ahead.

01:05:13.92
Bill
i'm sorry go ahead

01:05:14.89
Normie the Great
it seems positive to me, even though, I mean, it is different.

01:05:14.97
Bill
No, go ahead. Hmm.

01:05:18.91
Normie the Great
You're not as familiar or you becoming more familiar, but it seems like there's a broader reach.

01:05:22.35
Mike
is

01:05:24.89
Normie the Great
within the sober community, however sober, alcohol-free.

01:05:29.42
Mike
h

01:05:29.53
Normie the Great
uh you know where more people can even if it's let's say they're just testing the waters right uh and trying things out hopefully to find out that being alcohol-free or sober is a better way of life and you know i don't know i just think it casts a wider net

01:05:47.08
Mike
Mm-hmm

01:05:47.67
Bill
Oh, no doubt. No doubt. And we've had we've had people on the podcast.

01:05:51.03
Normie the Great
Mm hmm.

01:05:50.77
Bill
that are that are, first of all, clearly not AA. And, you know, I've said that.

01:05:54.43
Mike
ah

01:05:55.32
Normie the Great
Right.

01:05:55.19
Bill
um And some people that have had an issue with AA, you know, but just have said to us, you know, yeah I know you guys do AA things.

01:05:58.03
Mike
Right?

01:06:00.62
Bill
I don't, you know, I had an issue with it, but don't have a problem with, you know, it's not like they had a problem with us.

01:06:05.31
Normie the Great
Mm hmm.

01:06:04.80
Bill
You know, they had whatever their circumstance was.

01:06:05.36
Mike
Right. Yeah.

01:06:07.67
Bill
But, I mean, you're right. You know, the the people, there are people that choose to just not drink alcohol because, you know, of their health. They realize it's a healthy thing.

01:06:15.26
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:06:15.95
Normie the Great
Right.

01:06:16.85
Bill
There's people that choose not to eat McDonald's. I'm one of them because.

01:06:20.28
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:06:20.29
Bill
It doesn't make me feel good, and I know it's not good for me.

01:06:23.28
Mike
Right.

01:06:23.80
Bill
Do I look at somebody else who eats it? ah badly? No. I mean, I know what it does to me and I know it's not necessarily good for you, but neither is, ah you know, some of the things that I've done, you know, so.

01:06:34.13
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:06:34.22
Normie the Great
Right?

01:06:35.61
Bill
I'm not going to be judgmental, but you know but there are other people that you know find out that you know they they have some sort of thing going on, and they find out when they remove.

01:06:45.67
Bill
the substance whatever that substance is probably alcohol you know that their life gets better Wonderful.

01:06:48.85
Normie the Great
Mm hmm. Right.

01:06:51.02
Bill
But to your point, Mike, and I and i think that, yeah, I mean, there I think there's a lot of people that may have had been negatively affected by, you know, by alcohol, not necessarily of their own doing.

01:06:53.52
Mike
susan

01:06:57.45
Mike
Right.

01:07:00.03
Bill
So, I mean, no doubt.

01:07:00.41
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:07:00.80
Bill
No doubt. you know.

01:07:01.81
Mike
Yeah. That was definitely there. Right, you know, and and there was there was a certain element of the...

01:07:03.70
Bill
Right.

01:07:08.26
Mike
the group there that were, I mean, they were kind of like the temperance people from, you know, 120 years ago. um yeah you know alcohol is bad alcohol is evil alcohol should be outlawed out and yeah you know it it got to the point in this country where it was.

01:07:27.68
Bill
Right.

01:07:28.02
Mike
um We've talked about that plenty on here, too.

01:07:28.33
Normie the Great
Mm hmm.

01:07:31.95
Mike
So anyway, the reading we're alluding to, right?

01:07:32.12
Normie the Great
Mm hmm.

01:07:32.08
Bill
Right.

01:07:34.91
Bill
Right.

01:07:35.42
Mike
um The 24-hour book, we've talked about that enough on here, too. um But anyway, the past few weeks, and it's actually one of the better times of year for the 24-hour book, or they they start with a a reading from the big book, directly straight from the big book.

01:07:46.26
Bill
Agreed.

01:07:51.52
Mike
And they're kind of in the middle of it. It's been the past few weeks. and This was today's. and Yes, I literally laughed out loud when I read it this morning.

01:08:02.20
Mike
I went, oh, this has to come up because we're going to be talking about this event, and i have to I have to wedge it in here somewhere.

01:08:07.41
Normie the Great
o

01:08:10.37
Mike
So here here I am wedging it in.

01:08:10.57
Bill
Hehehe.

01:08:13.63
Mike
This is the 24-hour book, Thought of the Day from September 4th, and this is a direct paragraph. from the big book of Alcoholics Anonymous. We must be careful never to show intolerance or hatred of drinking as an institution experience shows that such an attitude is not helpful to any anyone.

01:08:36.53
Mike
We are not fanatics or intolerant of people who can drink normally. Yeah. Prospects are relieved when they find that we are not witch burners. Temperate drinking is okay, but we alcoholics can't get away with it. And no alcoholic likes to be told about alcohol by anyone who hates it.

01:08:57.23
Mike
We shall be of little use if our attitude is one of bitterness or hostility.

01:08:57.26
Bill
he

01:09:03.66
Normie the Great
o

01:09:04.08
Mike
Period.

01:09:05.27
Bill
Yeah, and I saw that and I did the same thing. I'm like, oh, here we go. And that's the first that that's the first thing that you read every morning too, right?

01:09:11.100
Mike
Yes.

01:09:12.69
Bill
Yeah, same with me. so im i' gonna um I've been. like for some reason, ridiculously tired.

01:09:15.80
Mike
said pfi

01:09:17.48
Bill
I don't i think that the the the bed up there, when I first lay down on that bed, I'm like, this is so fucking comfortable.

01:09:18.39
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:09:25.21
Mike
Mm-mm.

01:09:25.26
Bill
It's nice and soft, you know, whatever.

01:09:26.83
Mike
Mmm.

01:09:27.86
Bill
But I think that's i think that's a bad thing for me throughout the night because I just don't think I i don't think i sleep well.

01:09:31.50
Mike
Yeah.

01:09:31.58
Normie the Great
I agree.

01:09:34.17
Bill
um but so i've had the it my watch tells me i'm sleeping okay but i just don't feel like i don't feel rested completely so i get up and today was actually bad i'm like i'm fucking tired you know and you know so first thing i'm reading i'm like i'm like oh and i i rarely

01:09:44.86
Mike
Right?

01:09:48.21
Mike
He he he he he he.

01:09:49.72
Bill
I would say probably, and you're right, I agree with you 100%. This is the time of the year with the 24-hour book, It Is What It Is.

01:09:57.16
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:09:56.98
Bill
It's one of those books that Mike and I read, literally have read from from day one that we started doing in meditation at the Keating Center when we got there.

01:10:04.47
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:10:05.53
Bill
Neither one of us have ever missed a reading in the however many thousands of days that we've been sober now.

01:10:10.53
Mike
mm-hmm

01:10:11.35
Bill
It's extremely important to us. but um It's... We've got some yeah we so We have some opinions about it, too, every once in a while.

01:10:19.01
Mike
We do.

01:10:19.38
Bill
But this is this is a great time of year for it.

01:10:20.10
Normie the Great
h

01:10:22.25
Bill
But I read it, and I'm like, well.

01:10:24.52
Mike
He he he he he he he.

01:10:26.13
Normie the Great
yeah

01:10:26.06
Bill
I'm going to post that because I probably...

01:10:27.49
Mike
Cool.

01:10:28.34
Bill
handful of years, maybe a handful of times per year, I will actually post something from the 24-hour book.

01:10:31.26
Mike
Mm-hmm

01:10:34.55
Mike
Right.

01:10:34.97
Bill
and And I do it on purpose because I use the little magic eraser thing in Google. or in google photos and i always take the because it says a a thought for the day

01:10:40.25
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:10:44.81
Mike
Right.

01:10:45.38
Bill
I take the AA off of there.

01:10:46.94
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:10:47.56
Bill
I do it on purpose because I don't want anyone to not read it.

01:10:47.35
Normie the Great
Mm-hmm.

01:10:48.63
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:10:48.86
Normie the Great
Yeah.

01:10:51.72
Mike
Right.

01:10:51.85
Bill
because it says AA. So i don't I don't do it because I'm ashamed of AA.

01:10:53.38
Mike
Right.

01:10:53.45
Normie the Great
right

01:10:55.48
Bill
I do it because I don't want to put a label on it.

01:10:55.80
Mike
Yeah.

01:10:58.04
Bill
So I don't want people to be like, oh, this is AA bullshit.

01:11:01.41
Mike
Yep.

01:11:01.71
Normie the Great
Yeah.

01:11:02.02
Bill
No, it's just a thought for the day.

01:11:03.33
Mike
Meh.

01:11:03.04
Bill
It's just a recovery reading, you know?

01:11:03.96
Mike
It is AA bullshit, so fucking take it.

01:11:05.49
Bill
I know.

01:11:06.13
Normie the Great
ah

01:11:06.84
Bill
but but But the point of it is is that I don't want that to cloud people's you know um thing for reading it to begin with.

01:11:11.51
Mike
Yeah, I know.

01:11:12.39
Normie the Great
Sure.

01:11:13.83
Bill
Let people hate it after they read it um and not know where it came from or why they hate it.

01:11:16.59
Mike
Yeah.

01:11:18.21
Bill
Hate it at it because they don't like the reading, not because of where it came from is my point.

01:11:18.47
Mike
Yes. Mm-hmm

01:11:21.92
Bill
So I always take the AA thing off of there on purpose.

01:11:24.35
Mike
Yes, exactly.

01:11:24.73
Bill
um

01:11:25.26
Mike
or Or like it and then find out later it's from AA and go, well, fuck.

01:11:30.49
Bill
Yeah. Kidding! Kimmy got me that with ah with a song lyric one time, which I'll talk about in a minute, but I don't want to sidetrack myself.

01:11:35.81
Mike
m

01:11:36.91
Bill
But so, yeah, as soon as I saw it, I thought the same thing. And I'm like, its still this will end up coming up. I'm like, I'll i'll remember it.

01:11:41.81
Mike
Yep.

01:11:42.84
Bill
and yeah when And you brought that up. I literally, I grabbed my phone and I was sitting there and i was that it was I was going to read it.

01:11:46.98
Mike
He he he he he he.

01:11:47.81
Normie the Great
who

01:11:49.29
Bill
And you're like, oh, I've got my book right here. I'm like, oh, okay.

01:11:51.09
Mike
I do. Hehehehehehe.

01:11:52.43
Normie the Great
ah

01:11:52.34
Bill
um But yeah.

01:11:53.50
Normie the Great
you know I remember when dot dad talked to us about... that topic. Um, And so it would have been right after he got sober. so I guess I would have been 14, you would have been 12, but...

01:12:06.32
Bill
Right.

01:12:06.83
Normie the Great
Um, And you know I remember him sitting us down and and saying, you know Just because I can't drink doesn't mean that you can't drink. And, you know, going on and on.

01:12:16.74
Normie the Great
And i in my head, I was like, there is no way in hell. Are you kidding me? I'm not going to touch it. That's a stupid thing to say. the Everything that you've gone through, you know, this is all in my head, right?

01:12:27.68
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:12:27.82
Bill
Right.

01:12:28.12
Normie the Great
But yeah, I was. I was like there's no way.

01:12:31.67
Mike
Heh.

01:12:32.47
Normie the Great
That didn't last forever.

01:12:33.78
Mike
Well, of course not

01:12:33.84
Normie the Great
But.

01:12:34.16
Bill
Well... Well, and and you know, the the thing of it is is that...

01:12:36.15
Normie the Great
I had a different perspective

01:12:38.18
Mike
Yeah.

01:12:38.46
Bill
But at at the... it this

01:12:39.59
Normie the Great
at the time.

01:12:41.10
Bill
with him though, is that he did have an intolerance for alcohol. Ultimately, you know, and um and, you know, he he didn't he didn't hold by that.

01:12:45.40
Normie the Great
Oh yeah.

01:12:46.21
Mike
Yeah.

01:12:46.36
Normie the Great
All right.

01:12:50.59
Bill
I could see to begin with, because, I mean, you know, when you're brand new, you're like all these things. You're like, oh, yeah, it's just me. It's not everyone else. You know, everyone could do what they do.

01:12:56.61
Normie the Great
Mm hmm.

01:12:56.35
Mike
ah ha

01:12:57.71
Bill
But he wasn't like that. He he was intolerant to people that drank and intolerant of alcohol.

01:12:59.11
Normie the Great
No.

01:13:00.81
Mike
Hmm.

01:13:03.06
Bill
He didn't he didn't hold that, you know, to him, you know, but.

01:13:05.25
Normie the Great
Right.

01:13:05.26
Mike
Right.

01:13:08.09
Bill
And I ended up having that i had the same conversation with with Derek. you know And um you know I just i had told him, I'm like, it says just don't worry about it, man.

01:13:11.23
Mike
Right.

01:13:11.37
Normie the Great
who

01:13:15.02
Bill
I said, you do what you got to do type of thing. I'm not going to judge you.

01:13:18.34
Mike
ah

01:13:18.90
Bill
But I said, just just know this. you know Just understand the history.

01:13:21.98
Mike
hm

01:13:22.97
Bill
That's that's all i can all I can ask of you is to understand the history.

01:13:24.47
Mike
Yeah.

01:13:26.44
Bill
I don't know. Um, Now, everything points to the fact that, sure, it could be hereditary. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.

01:13:31.77
Normie the Great
Sure.

01:13:32.54
Bill
But I say this all the time. I personally, at this point in my life, and for years now, and I don't remember where i when I came to this conclusion. I don't give a fuck why I am who I am.

01:13:43.50
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:13:44.31
Bill
I don't I don't care.

01:13:44.28
Normie the Great
Yeah.

01:13:45.40
Bill
I know I'm an alcoholic, but I also know what the solution is. And I'm part of the solution.

01:13:49.82
Normie the Great
Mm hmm.

01:13:49.62
Bill
That's all that matters to me.

01:13:50.00
Mike
well

01:13:50.99
Bill
How I got here is fucking irrelevant, you know.

01:13:53.44
Mike
Mm-hmm

01:13:53.78
Normie the Great
Yeah.

01:13:54.41
Bill
But, you know, I had a different conversation when I had the heart attack because I'm like this one, Derek.

01:13:59.33
Mike
Hehehehehehehehehehe.

01:14:00.57
Bill
I'm like, this one, yeah, you've got two. There's too much medical stuff here.

01:14:05.39
Mike
Yeah.

01:14:05.46
Normie the Great
Right?

01:14:05.62
Bill
I'm like, this is. I said, just. just you You do it again.

01:14:08.65
Normie the Great
four generations.

01:14:09.01
Bill
Same thing.

01:14:10.10
Normie the Great
Yeah.

01:14:10.31
Mike
Yeah.

01:14:10.59
Bill
And like you do what you got to do. But I said, let people understand when you go in for your physical. have them start checking your heart. Now, worst case scenario, all they got to do is they can, you know, so you don't end up, you know, when you're in your mid to late fifties or whatever.

01:14:17.75
Normie the Great
Oh yeah.

01:14:24.40
Bill
You'd have the same shit happen. Cause I'm like, it's. you You can't deny it now, you know?

01:14:28.71
Mike
Yeah.

01:14:28.60
Normie the Great
Nope, right. Yeah.

01:14:30.79
Mike
he

01:14:30.91
Normie the Great
Exactly.

01:14:31.94
Bill
But I mean, far different than than the alcohol thing. So, you know, and I mean, and we know, I mean, we understand that. I mean, I've known for, i've I've had the opinion for years that there's there's no, there's there's nothing There's no healthy reason to drink alcohol.

01:14:47.43
Normie the Great
Mm hmm.

01:14:47.37
Bill
you know I mean, there's no healthy reason to eat McDonald's.

01:14:47.37
Mike
Yeah.

01:14:50.29
Bill
There's no healthy reason to eat a Snicker bar.

01:14:50.55
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:14:52.14
Bill
you know.

01:14:52.42
Mike
Right.

01:14:52.82
Normie the Great
Mhm.

01:14:53.49
Bill
We're a goddamn drumstick and Mike and I had two of those one night.

01:14:56.39
Normie the Great
ah

01:14:57.24
Bill
Yeah.

01:14:56.86
Mike
We did.

01:14:57.41
Bill
Well, that was good too. Yeah. Cause I bought, I bought, I bought the, I had some leftover from, you know, during the week and then like I bought another one and then I bought some more for the next week. And at one point.

01:15:05.64
Mike
Hehehehe.

01:15:07.63
Bill
whatever night it was, might have been then that last night you guys were here, we're sitting here, and I'm like, I'm going to go for a second one. Mike's like, God, I think I am too.

01:15:14.94
Mike
He he he he he he he

01:15:15.11
Normie the Great
Heh.

01:15:16.23
Bill
So yeah, we we fucking we hit we hit two of them hit two of them that night but

01:15:19.48
Mike
Are we dead?

01:15:19.52
Normie the Great
Right.

01:15:21.23
Bill
But um, but yeah, I mean there's no healthy reason for it, but I like fucking drumsticks, you know, and if if somebody if somebody

01:15:24.95
Normie the Great
Mm hmm.

01:15:24.82
Mike
Yes, right Yeah, but I liked bourbon.

01:15:27.84
Bill
Yeah. Yeah. Well, but but to your point, though, is that what you say all the time, somebody can have, you know, this guy or this lady or this person, whatever it is, they can have a few pops the night before and they get up and take care of their kids and go to work, you know.

01:15:37.00
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:15:41.15
Normie the Great
Mm hmm.

01:15:41.02
Mike
Yep.

01:15:41.72
Bill
You couldn't and neither could I.

01:15:43.42
Mike
Yep.

01:15:43.35
Bill
you know.

01:15:43.45
Normie the Great
Right.

01:15:43.86
Mike
Exactly.

01:15:44.64
Bill
And that's a goddamn difference, you know So.

01:15:46.16
Normie the Great
Mm hmm.

01:15:45.99
Mike
Yeah, and and I mean, you know, and the point of the reading is, you know, talking to us, working with another, you know, yeah, we can't walk in into, you know, some guy fucking shaking. and you know, my life's.

01:15:57.57
Mike
in tatters and i you know what am i going to do we can't walk in there and go budweiser is bad you know no it's it's fucking wonderful i i understand dude you know absolutely yes that's how we're going to connect with someone and help them to get sober yes i understand this you know heroin makes you feel fucking great you know until it doesn't Um...

01:16:03.27
Bill
Hehehe.

01:16:03.37
Normie the Great
hu

01:16:07.51
Bill
Right.

01:16:12.47
Normie the Great
Yeah.

01:16:16.89
Normie the Great
but

01:16:19.62
Bill
Right.

01:16:19.69
Normie the Great
Right.

01:16:20.39
Mike
you know, then it just makes you feel normal and she's just okay. Um, but anyway, um, yes, it's all goddamn what crack makes you feel fucking great. You know, it's, it's wonderful.

01:16:29.09
Normie the Great
Oh my god.

01:16:29.71
Mike
I love it. Um, I don't think I'll go get any tonight. um Probably. Oh, got shit to do this weekend.

01:16:41.45
Normie the Great
Right.

01:16:41.85
Bill
ah

01:16:41.87
Mike
you know And I got bills to pay. God damn it.

01:16:45.44
Normie the Great
No, no.

01:16:45.80
Mike
um Fuck.

01:16:45.77
Bill
Right

01:16:48.30
Mike
But anyway, I digress. Yes. But anyway, so ah we were in a group of people who the majority of them were anti-alcohol.

01:16:58.42
Normie the Great
Mm.

01:16:58.23
Mike
And um that's okay. You know, I understand. that too i i could put you know i'm We both do. We come from a family where there was an alcoholic that negatively affected us very much, didn't stop us from doing it.

01:17:10.68
Bill
Right. Right?

01:17:12.21
Mike
But, you know, we understand that side of it just as well as anyone else.

01:17:16.83
Normie the Great
Right.

01:17:16.70
Mike
It's just we also understand that it fucking makes you feel good, man. And it's a wonderful goddamn thing. And it makes your life better until it doesn't.

01:17:25.04
Normie the Great
Mm hmm.

01:17:25.25
Bill
Right. Yeah, so a little side note. So I finished up the whole Matthew Perry thing, but um he talked about heroin.

01:17:30.94
Mike
Mmm.

01:17:32.66
Bill
So he he never did out of all the things that he did. I mean, obviously, ah yeah he did ketamine, but he never did heroin. um

01:17:37.85
Mike
Now.

01:17:38.65
Bill
but he said that um This is...

01:17:40.72
Mike
Well, I mean he was doing oxys and shit. I mean, it's the same thing

01:17:43.80
Bill
Right, but I mean, no so here, yeah, he he did that. This is this is what he what he said. I mean, yeah, Oxy is that obviously the pill for him of ultimately what could, you know, dig degrade or or slide into heroin.

01:17:53.83
Bill
I mean, weve we, we, we always hear those stories.

01:17:54.40
Mike
Yeah.

01:17:55.88
Bill
So I hurt my back at work.

01:17:56.43
Mike
Right. Mm hmm.

01:17:58.69
Bill
We're like, here we go.

01:17:58.85
Normie the Great
Now I'm a heroin addict.

01:18:00.41
Bill
here Oh, yeah, that's and that's what it every everyone, that's it the stories and leads that we hear, as soon as you hear that, you know, I i broke my leg, hurt my back, did this, did that, something, and the doctor prescribed, like, here we go.

01:18:01.11
Normie the Great
Yeah.

01:18:01.52
Mike
Oh, yeah.

01:18:05.79
Mike
Mhm.

01:18:06.02
Normie the Great
who

01:18:09.16
Mike
Yeah.

01:18:11.59
Bill
We know where it we know where it goes to.

01:18:11.80
Mike
Yep. Right.

01:18:13.86
Bill
But so so he said that...

01:18:13.66
Normie the Great
right

01:18:14.50
Mike
I skipped over that shit and went and gotten heroin.

01:18:17.34
Bill
Well, here's Matthew Perry's line, and I listened to it.

01:18:17.38
Normie the Great
ah

01:18:20.71
Bill
I wrote it down. It said, he said that taking Oxy is like replacing your blood with honey.

01:18:26.49
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:18:26.88
Bill
Okay?

01:18:27.06
Normie the Great
oh

01:18:27.85
Bill
He said he's never done heroin. But he has always figured that heroin, or with heroin, you actually were the honey.

01:18:35.50
Mike
Yes.

01:18:37.76
Bill
Which i couldn't I couldn't stop fucking laughing.

01:18:37.69
Mike
Right.

01:18:37.97
Normie the Great
Oh wow.

01:18:40.58
Bill
I was i was actually, and I remember where I was when I when i heard that. i was i was yeah I was here, I think, grocery shopping. I actually pulled over into a parking lot and wrote that down. So I'm like, I got to fucking bring this up because it just made it made me laugh so fucking much.

01:18:51.21
Mike
mm-hmm

01:18:54.19
Bill
But yeah, I said, yeah, with heroin, you actually are the honey. And I'm like, that's that's pretty fucking good, right?

01:18:58.41
Mike
Yes. Yeah, its that's all right.

01:19:00.52
Normie the Great
this is

01:19:00.97
Mike
You know, I mean, you know, the best one I ever got because, you know, I was shooting speedballs for a while, which is cocaine and heroin mixed together. um Yeah, that's, you know, God comes, God comes down and kisses you on the forehead.

01:19:08.19
Bill
Right.

01:19:08.79
Normie the Great
Oh, my God.

01:19:11.91
Mike
And that's absolutely true.

01:19:14.16
Bill
Hehehehe.

01:19:14.27
Normie the Great
Bye.

01:19:15.98
Bill
Yeah, this is this is from an atheist.

01:19:18.00
Mike
Yep.

01:19:19.32
Bill
Yeah.

01:19:18.69
Mike
Exactly.

01:19:20.45
Bill
that's that's a goddamn...

01:19:20.82
Mike
if If anyone should believe in God, it should be me. because he kiss He's kissed me on the forehead several times.

01:19:24.48
Normie the Great
ah

01:19:24.59
Bill
Right Yeah.

01:19:27.50
Normie the Great
Oh my god.

01:19:28.04
Bill
Yeah. doesn't even believe it. I mean, it felt so good. He got kissed on the forehead by him.

01:19:30.59
Mike
Mm hmm. I did.

01:19:32.53
Normie the Great
ha

01:19:33.29
Bill
But yeah, you know what? And it just, it it is a, I don't know. I mean, part of it. Once again, you know people people do what they do, and you know it doesn't take away from, and I want to say it again, it didn't take away from you know the fact that the the award, the event, and in the people that we met and that sort of thing.

01:19:40.73
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:19:46.92
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:19:48.62
Bill
it just you know i mean there's We don't have to be, even if we walk into a room of Alcoholics Anonymous, and we've been in plenty of them in different areas of the country and a lot of different...

01:19:55.04
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:19:58.74
Bill
people from all different walks of life and all different backgrounds.

01:20:02.35
Mike
Right.

01:20:02.51
Bill
um they're You're never going to walk into a room and have everyone in that room. think the same thing you know even and whether

01:20:07.54
Mike
Right.

01:20:07.71
Normie the Great
Mm hmm.

01:20:07.58
Mike
Oh, absolutely not

01:20:09.41
Bill
you know Whether it's a room of you know people from Alcoholics s Anonymous or Smart Recovery or alcohol-free people.

01:20:13.74
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:20:16.64
Bill
um you know, ah a room full of Democrats or Republicans. Everyone's going to find a way to to hate themselves or hate somebody else within that within that within that room.

01:20:23.26
Mike
Absolutely.

01:20:25.61
Bill
they They said that in the morning show.

01:20:25.76
Normie the Great
who

01:20:26.87
Bill
um God, year this has been probably 25 years ago they said it. They said, okay, so... ah If everyone in the world had... Same color hair, same color eyes, same color skin, had the same background and wore the same clothes and all this stuff different thing.

01:20:42.23
Bill
So going through all this stuff, basically a world full of people that look and have the background all the same. He said people will still find a reason to hate each other.

01:20:49.01
Mike
Oh absolutely.

01:20:49.20
Normie the Great
Oh, yeah, sadly, yes.

01:20:50.31
Mike
yeah well it's the the old star trek episode right the guys that were half black on one side and half white on the other side but they were

01:20:56.83
Normie the Great
mm-hmm

01:20:58.06
Mike
Opposite One had the white, the left side was. white and the right side was black and opposite the other guy and they hated each other. They wanted to kill each other, right?

01:21:07.20
Bill
Right.

01:21:07.18
Normie the Great
Oh my god.

01:21:07.12
Mike
They looked exactly the fucking same, except the colors were on opposite sides and they were at war and wanted to kill each other.

01:21:07.34
Bill
yeah

01:21:11.38
Normie the Great
Yeah.

01:21:13.67
Mike
Absolutely. That's the way we are.

01:21:14.100
Normie the Great
Yeah.

01:21:15.10
Bill
Yeah.

01:21:16.28
Mike
Aren't we lovely?

01:21:17.47
Normie the Great
ah

01:21:17.50
Bill
Yeah, I know Yeah, so and that reminded me too when I wrote this down because I thought it was kind of funny. so you're I got at you like I was going to say your friend, but not necessarily your friend, Jim Norton. But um I was listening to – there was another episode.

01:21:26.29
Mike
Yes.

01:21:29.33
Bill
He's been – two episodes at least that i found uh when he was on rogan and he said this was a number of years ago probably three four years ago i think but he said um he said everyone in the world uh

01:21:33.58
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:21:40.85
Bill
hates each other and he said he thinks that people don't even care about a particular argument anymore anymore they're just addicted to the argument

01:21:46.72
Mike
m Yes.

01:21:49.93
Bill
but And I thought, that is so fucking true.

01:21:51.25
Normie the Great
I hate that. Right.

01:21:53.95
Bill
But he said, yeah, he goes, everyone everyone hates he everyone hates everyone. you know And this was, again, from two, three years ago.

01:21:58.40
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:21:58.95
Bill
And I'm sure it was around the time that Trump got into the White House, I think it was around that time that that he was.

01:21:58.67
Normie the Great
Yeah.

01:22:04.48
Bill
that he was on at this time frame. But yeah, he said people are just addicted to the argument. I'm like, man, that is true. You know, so it doesn't even matter.

01:22:11.04
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:22:11.59
Bill
It doesn't matter what people are arguing about, you know.

01:22:14.33
Normie the Great
Mm hmm.

01:22:14.66
Bill
oh but there was uh when when i posted that today um one There was one comment from somebody.

01:22:19.94
Mike
Yeah.

01:22:20.62
Bill
Some chick said she's... made a comment that said, me everyone deserves a voice.

01:22:26.39
Mike
<unk>

01:22:27.02
Bill
And then said something along the lines of, I don't know, she's like, I'm sober from, a or no, I abstain or sober from other things, but not alcohol or whatever. And I just kind of read it and I just, I didn't respond to it.

01:22:35.07
Mike
well

01:22:37.52
Bill
It wasn't.

01:22:37.83
Mike
now

01:22:38.18
Bill
one way or the other it wasn't offensive and i don't give a fuck you know people She can say whatever the fuck she wanted. If she would have been a dick about it, I would have fucking blocked her.

01:22:43.21
Mike
She can.

01:22:44.89
Bill
you know so you know but But she wasn't.

01:22:45.23
Mike
Right.

01:22:45.66
Normie the Great
right

01:22:46.82
Bill
I just let her and you know i let her say what what she wanted to say. I don't even know how it how it got to her but because she wasn't a follower. and She's not like a... Who knows? Instagram algorithms are just fucking weird, but...

01:22:56.77
Mike
o

01:22:58.39
Normie the Great
o

01:22:59.05
Bill
um you know I figured that i was kind of well i even figured I was wondering if anyone was going to say anything about it because the readings that I post usually get... They get decent responses out of all the things that we that we post, which is, I mean, gratifying to me because I, you know, I do it.

01:23:11.97
Mike
e

01:23:15.33
Bill
I read those and we read those, you know, for, you know, for ourselves and, you know, obviously to try to hopefully get some of those good thoughts in our heads every morning.

01:23:18.97
Mike
right

01:23:22.76
Bill
but um

01:23:23.09
Mike
Right.

01:23:24.12
Bill
You know, it is, it's nice to have that, that shared and have people appreciate it because, and again, not that it's, it doesn't take me any, it's not hard.

01:23:28.99
Mike
yeah

01:23:31.62
Bill
I don't, I don't begrudge if like. oh Only three people looked at this today.

01:23:35.56
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:23:36.05
Normie the Great
yeah

01:23:36.56
Bill
which it's always more than that anyhow.

01:23:36.72
Normie the Great
Yeah.

01:23:37.81
Bill
But I mean, whatever. I don't i don't really care. I do it for myself the same as we you know do this for ourselves. you know but um

01:23:42.40
Normie the Great
who

01:23:44.32
Bill
But, yeah, just every once in a while, it's just it's nice. but But, yeah, I mean, I i don't know. if I was wondering if people were going to. make some sort of comment just because we're followed by, you know, just a wide, such a wide range of people.

01:23:55.34
Bill
you know.

01:23:55.90
Normie the Great
Mm hmm.

01:23:56.45
Mike
yeah

01:23:57.30
Bill
but I don't know. It still amazes me that we... i To this. day since we've been on Instagram and doing this thing. um i'm I'm blown away that we don't get more hate comments.

01:24:09.27
Bill
I mean...

01:24:09.35
Normie the Great
hu

01:24:10.47
Bill
I really am. I just, some of the shit that we, and not that we're trying to shock people or anything like that, but I mean, we we have opinions and we have judgments and we say some shit maybe that other people don't agree with, but it just, it surprises me that people don't.

01:24:15.20
Mike
Huh?

01:24:24.31
Bill
I don't know, hate on this more. And it's it's fine if people want to.

01:24:26.69
Mike
Okay.

01:24:27.48
Bill
I don't give a fuck. I mean, it's actually... if I think it's more it's more fun sometimes when somebody does because then we got... leons Fucking material, you know?

01:24:35.14
Mike
Exactly.

01:24:35.21
Normie the Great
o

01:24:36.94
Bill
It gives us something something more to talk about.

01:24:37.40
Normie the Great
o

01:24:39.72
Bill
but Oh, you know what?

01:24:40.43
Normie the Great
ah

01:24:41.07
Bill
Speaking of that, I have... Speaking of bats.

01:24:45.40
Mike
Mmm.

01:24:45.73
Bill
I have a... I have an article that I came across. um This was, but but but where was this? Richmond, Virginia. Okay.

01:24:57.85
Bill
um A doctor woke up last week, and this was, I think this was earlier this week, possibly. Yeah, I think it was earlier this week. So a doctor woke up last week to find a bat. Okay, speaking of bats.

01:25:09.69
Bill
Trying to get... into... Her mouth.

01:25:14.24
Normie the Great
Oh my God.

01:25:14.49
Mike
Mmm.

01:25:17.33
Bill
Yeah. And her her viral story centers on an important warning for anyone that encounters bats inside their home, blah, blah, blah, whatever it was. She woke up. She's a doctor. Woke up last week with a bad trying to get in her mouth. Came in important warning. Doctor whatever the fuck her name is is asleep. Nearly 100 year old home.

01:25:34.94
Bill
Shared her experience on Instagram.

01:25:40.29
Bill
She thought, so this is her, this is what she says. She's like, so I was dreaming.

01:25:46.72
Normie the Great
Oh my god.

01:25:46.90
Bill
And in my dream, there was a cute little field mouse, this pretty...

01:25:50.07
Normie the Great
off

01:25:51.03
Bill
This is pretty vivid, the whole thing. A little field mouse trying to get into my mouth. And as it turns out, it was a bat that was trying to get into her mouth. But um and I think there was I mean, she ended up somehow she caught it and took it in to get it tested. And, you know, it didn't have rabies or blah, blah, blah. But I mean, obviously, that was the that was the thing behind it. But I'm like, how? How coincidental. I hear i find this or hear a story about a bat where we just saw you know a million, literally 1 .5 million bats. but

01:26:21.38
Bill
I mean, I've woken up before and you know you get something, I'm sure, you know who knows, have we eaten a spider or two in our years or something like that?

01:26:26.79
Normie the Great
Yeah.

01:26:27.95
Mike
Of course.

01:26:28.41
Bill
you know I mean, yeah, exactly. you know. But...

01:26:31.05
Mike
occasionally in our sleep.

01:26:31.45
Bill
um Yeah, it's well, well that's that's the thing.

01:26:33.02
Normie the Great
Yes. Gross.

01:26:35.53
Bill
You're funny. Cage lays your sleeve. Every once in a while, Mike just sits down and eats them.

01:26:37.60
Mike
Yes. Yes, right.

01:26:42.78
Bill
But yeah, I don't even i don't even know. I don't even know what the fuck I would do. you know what What the fuck would you do if you woke up in a... A bat was trying to get into your mouth. I mean.

01:26:53.35
Mike
Hmm.

01:26:53.43
Normie the Great
ah Cheryl had a dead bat in her house a year ago. to you know She found it and she does not. like bats at all freaked out about it and ended up getting apparently bats in attics around here is a really common.

01:27:07.41
Normie the Great
And had an exterminator. She had some in her. uh in the attic he cleaned it out you know whatever took care of it but um It... there's a treatment. And so it took a couple of weeks and she like. basically didn't sleep.

01:27:21.63
Normie the Great
You know, she had lights on and the things that.

01:27:22.47
Mike
Hmm.

01:27:24.86
Normie the Great
deter bats. like I think it's eucalyptus. There are a couple of scents and she's like spraying shit all over her house. and you know she's Oh, my God. she That's not ah not a good thing.

01:27:38.14
Mike
okay

01:27:38.21
Bill
Well, I mean they could just get there just get it anywhere, right? I mean, it's not nothing out of the ordinary.

01:27:42.01
Normie the Great
Yeah.

01:27:42.63
Bill
They could be in a new house or an old house, right, Mike, I would think.

01:27:44.17
Normie the Great
Oh yeah. No, yeah, it's just really common around here.

01:27:45.17
Mike
Oh, yeah.

01:27:47.25
Normie the Great
Apparently the exterminator is like, oh yeah, I've serviced nearly every house on your block. Oh my God.

01:27:53.17
Bill
have you Have you ever checked in your house to see?

01:27:54.47
Normie the Great
So.

01:27:57.17
Normie the Great
I have not I don't really want to

01:28:00.91
Mike
They're fine to keep the bug population down.

01:28:01.26
Normie the Great
I should. True, true.

01:28:03.68
Bill
Right. Right?

01:28:05.69
Normie the Great
True.

01:28:06.03
Bill
Well, and yeah, that that is the thing. i mean it's just is it is it just I mean, it's more than just mosquitoes then, right?

01:28:11.64
Mike
Oh yeah, they eat all kinds of bugs.

01:28:12.30
Normie the Great
Yeah, flying insects. Yeah

01:28:13.72
Mike
Yeah.

01:28:14.34
Bill
Oh. Okay. I mean, i knew I knew mosquitoes because they say that a lot of times people that, you know what I mean, specifically put the bat houses in the back of their yard to try to keep the the mosquito population.

01:28:22.05
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:28:23.62
Bill
But I didn't realize they go after a bunch of bugs. But, yeah, I mean, I don't know. As long as they're not crawling in my fucking mouth, I guess I'm i guess i'm fine.

01:28:30.55
Mike
Okay.

01:28:30.62
Normie the Great
right

01:28:31.48
Mike
That's fine.

01:28:32.34
Normie the Great
Oh my god.

01:28:32.45
Mike
Thank you.

01:28:32.76
Bill
Yeah.

01:28:33.84
Normie the Great
Hmm.

01:28:33.68
Bill
What's that?

01:28:34.36
Mike
They're cute.

01:28:35.54
Bill
Yeah, I mean would you want

01:28:36.22
Normie the Great
They are cute. I don't want one crawling in my face though.

01:28:38.63
Bill
Right. That would be the only thing. I mean, again, I have no issue whatsoever with a bat, but I don't need one trying to crawl in my mouth, you know?

01:28:45.74
Mike
Alright.

01:28:47.52
Bill
listen to you all right and he's this little fucker's over there like oh i wouldn't i wouldn't mind he can crawl in my mouth all he wants

01:28:48.19
Mike
sim Eh, whatever.

01:28:52.19
Normie the Great
oh

01:28:52.68
Mike
It's fine. As long as they're not rabid, it's fine.

01:28:53.91
Bill
Okay.

01:28:55.41
Normie the Great
Oh my God.

01:28:55.57
Bill
Right. It's not rabid. So, what okay. let' Let's step back a minute it here, Mike.

01:29:00.94
Normie the Great
ah

01:29:01.37
Mike
Yes.

01:29:02.21
Bill
so So how are you going to know? Are you going to get it tested and then say, okay, you could you could crawl in my mouth tonight?

01:29:06.50
Mike
Mwah.

01:29:08.66
Mike
I don't know.

01:29:09.58
Normie the Great
Oh my God.

01:29:09.92
Mike
Whoa. little friend. Sure.

01:29:12.08
Normie the Great
Sure.

01:29:12.24
Bill
Okay.

01:29:12.91
Normie the Great
Sure.

01:29:13.81
Mike
Yeah.

01:29:13.83
Bill
Okay.

01:29:13.80
Normie the Great
Sure.

01:29:14.60
Mike
Right? Yeah, you know, it's like getting an AIDS test, right? You can crawl in my mouth now.

01:29:17.91
Normie the Great
Oh, God. Oh my God.

01:29:19.98
Bill
Right, but that's that's what I'm saying. I mean, are you it's just some random bats.

01:29:22.84
Normie the Great
How do you know ahead of time?

01:29:24.35
Bill
You're not going to know what like right off the bat.

01:29:27.41
Mike
They have the paperwork.

01:29:27.72
Bill
See you.

01:29:28.78
Mike
It's fine.

01:29:29.27
Normie the Great
of Jesus.

01:29:30.04
Bill
The bat flies in the favor.

01:29:31.99
Mike
Yeah.

01:29:32.57
Normie the Great
hello

01:29:33.55
Bill
Okay, this ah you know.

01:29:34.08
Mike
Clean bill health. Hey.

01:29:35.34
Normie the Great
ah Right.

01:29:35.64
Bill
Okay, yeah you know what? I'm i'm wrong then. you yeah The bat's hanging there with his with his with his paperwork. Okay, I get it.

01:29:40.59
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:29:41.44
Bill
I and i i guess I just missed i missed that point of the bat and his briefcase full of paperwork.

01:29:41.83
Mike
Yeah.

01:29:46.80
Normie the Great
ah

01:29:47.72
Mike
excuse these

01:29:49.17
Bill
sure

01:29:49.78
Normie the Great
ah

01:29:49.98
Bill
All right. so So what else? I mean, we had we had a nice trip. We have an award that that you know nobody can fucking take away from us.

01:29:54.34
Normie the Great
Yeah.

01:29:56.09
Bill
and

01:29:56.77
Mike
Yes.

01:29:57.21
Bill
um I think we could be a little bit more, I don't know, we might have to get more egotistical. We've been maybe far too humble about this so far.

01:30:01.80
Normie the Great
Oh my god.

01:30:03.62
Bill
and

01:30:03.85
Mike
Possibly.

01:30:04.83
Bill
you know i don't know if we've got plenty of time to be more egotistical if we want right

01:30:07.22
Mike
Anybody there?

01:30:08.60
Normie the Great
Yeah. so i did want to i did want to mention i got to talk about so we're not mature twice this week

01:30:11.12
Mike
Well, I'm still connected.

01:30:14.95
Bill
Really?

01:30:15.21
Normie the Great
ah Yes, in my Italian class.

01:30:15.19
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:30:17.41
Normie the Great
So I'm taking Italian language lessons.

01:30:19.16
Mike
Hmm.

01:30:19.42
Normie the Great
And at the beginning, our instructor, we just have. we had a practice conversation so What did you do last weekend? And so I had to, you know, pull out my little dictionary and Google Translate and look up.

01:30:28.80
Mike
Anybody?

01:30:30.96
Normie the Great
i alcohol alcoholics and I talked about, so I could talk about, i miei fratelli sono alcolisti, hanno un podcast, si chiama, so we're not mature, hanno vinto un premi, so.

01:30:32.71
Mike
Well, I guess we're done Thank you for listening to yet another episode of Sober Not Mature. So always be kind to each other, be good to each other, go out and do something nice for somebody else this week.

01:30:44.66
Mike
and Don't tell anybody you did it.

01:30:45.98
Normie the Great
that we won won an award and we were in Austin, I guess, but I did, I had to Google things.

01:30:47.24
Mike
Now, from the bottom of my heart. To the depths of my soul, from the beginning of time until the ends of the earth, always and eternally, fuck you.

01:30:51.28
Normie the Great
So that was kind of fun and everybody was very excited. Very excited. Congratulations. congratulatory

01:30:56.16
Mike
Now it's time kids.

01:30:56.24
Bill
Well good.

01:30:57.16
Mike
Apparently it's time because everybody went away.

01:30:57.31
Normie the Great
in Italian.

01:30:57.53
Bill
Well, good.

01:30:58.70
Normie the Great
And then yesterday I had an appointment.

01:30:59.32
Mike
It's time for you to fuck off Then keep fucking off.

01:31:01.25
Normie the Great
I had a meeting with a customer and we're talking to them about.

01:31:02.52
Mike
Keep fucking off till you get to a gate with a sign on it saying, you cannot fuck off past here.

01:31:04.52
Normie the Great
a loan for their business and it's a father-son. uh ownership and i forget how they were talking well they were talking about austin

01:31:07.99
Mike
Climb over that gate. dream the impossible dream, and keep fucking off forever.

01:31:12.93
Normie the Great
And I was like, oh, he's just there. Oh, why were you there?

01:31:14.83
Mike
Thank you, Kathy, for coming on and hanging with us.

01:31:15.44
Normie the Great
And so I start talking about it. And this guy is, you know, sober.

01:31:17.65
Mike
Thank you, Bill, for being around. Thank you, Sands Bar, for giving us a lovely...

01:31:20.66
Bill
Oh really?

01:31:20.70
Normie the Great
And yeah, the dad and his brother.

01:31:22.51
Mike
award

01:31:23.77
Normie the Great
um You know, so they've been through recovery.

01:31:23.89
Mike
And... Goodbye.

01:31:26.15
Normie the Great
His brother actually lives in Austin. He's like, oh, do you know Jack? I'm not going to say his last name, but. um I was like, you know, I doubt that my brothers would, but that's probably a... sans bar question but um they were very excited about it and the sun had actually heard of silver not mature

01:31:41.38
Bill
really

01:31:41.57
Normie the Great
So, yes, so I passed out a couple of the business cards and, you know, so we, yeah, we got to talk about a little bit about sobriety and.

01:31:49.67
Bill
oop Hang on. mike mike is Mike is calling me.

01:31:50.02
Normie the Great
sober

01:31:52.27
Bill
We must have lost him. Hello, Mike.

01:31:54.61
Mike
Hey.

01:31:57.03
Bill
Can you hear me?

01:31:57.54
Mike
What? yeah i can hear you can you hear me

01:31:58.56
Normie the Great
I can hear you Yes.

01:32:00.45
Bill
um Yeah, I can hear you now. Did did we lose you?

01:32:03.23
Mike
I lost you guys. I'm still connected and recording on my end.

01:32:05.29
Bill
i'm still connected and recording on my end No, I mean, kathy and i are Kathy and I are talking and recording. You're the one that's not here.

01:32:12.85
Mike
Yeah. Well, according to my computer, I'm still recording.

01:32:16.03
Bill
still

01:32:16.31
Mike
I read the ending, just in case.

01:32:16.54
Bill
i read the ending case

01:32:19.29
Normie the Great
Oh.

01:32:19.46
Bill
No, um go ahead and... um God, i don't I don't know what better

01:32:23.61
Normie the Great
If you leave him on speaker I can hear him.

01:32:28.46
Bill
Um, Yeah, because, I mean, you're... i don't even I don't even know if you would be – because if you read the – read the ending already it's going to be you're going to be reading wow boy that's going to fuck things up You would have read the recording while we're talking.

01:32:41.35
Mike
Yeah. Well, you guys, um you were talking.

01:32:43.67
Bill
You guys, um you were talking.

01:32:45.17
Mike
It went.

01:32:45.76
Bill
Pssst!

01:32:46.50
Mike
And then you guys were gone.

01:32:47.52
Bill
And then you guys are gone.

01:32:48.08
Mike
I'm still connected and recording.

01:32:48.47
Bill
I'm still connected and recording. No, I mean, but you – well, that's the whole point.

01:32:51.14
Normie the Great
well Yeah.

01:32:52.35
Bill
I mean, you're you're not you're not in the studio anymore. And I and i know it's going to show. I mean, you're – your volume and all that stuff is going to show like it's down there but you're not yeah you're not coming through on here though so i don't know if you would be still recording locally or not um

01:33:02.06
Mike
and

01:33:06.30
Normie the Great
Can you turn him way up he's on speaker I can hear him and then we can finish out

01:33:06.71
Bill
Bye.

01:33:11.99
Bill
Um... Hang on.

01:33:13.46
Normie the Great
he's got I mean, because I can hear him.

01:33:13.56
Bill
Hang on, Mike.

01:33:15.13
Normie the Great
It's a little quiet, but I can hear him fine.

01:33:17.31
Bill
Try to talk again, Mike.

01:33:18.82
Mike
Hi there.

01:33:19.13
Bill
Hi there.

01:33:20.87
Normie the Great
Yep.

01:33:20.79
Bill
Can you hear him, Kev?

01:33:21.75
Normie the Great
I can.

01:33:22.56
Mike
No, go ahead.

01:33:22.97
Bill
Okay. i

01:33:24.19
Mike
What?

01:33:24.54
Bill
what Go, yeah, try to do, ah try to just do your exits, and then i' I'll fuck around with whatever might have happened in the meantime.

01:33:32.94
Mike
All right, so Kathy can hear me?

01:33:33.05
Bill
All right, so. Kathy can hear me? yeah which means

01:33:35.51
Normie the Great
I can.

01:33:36.87
Bill
which means you...

01:33:36.91
Normie the Great
Yes.

01:33:37.45
Bill
um Yeah, you're going you're into my microphone, so you're going to be recorded on my audio track now.

01:33:45.09
Mike
So you want me to read it into the phone?

01:33:45.23
Normie the Great
Great episode.

01:33:48.02
Bill
So you want me to read it into the phone?

01:33:46.71
Normie the Great
Thanks for having me.

01:33:50.77
Normie the Great
Yep.

01:33:50.63
Bill
Yeah, just read it yeah read it into the phone because, I mean, again, you are not coming through on our end.

01:33:56.69
Mike
Okay.

01:33:56.99
Bill
Okay.

01:33:57.81
Mike
All right. Well, thank you everyone for listening to yet another episode of Sober Not Mature.

01:33:57.80
Bill
All right. Whoa. thank you everyone for listening to yet another episode of Sober Now Mature.

01:34:03.92
Mike
So always be kind to each other, be good to each other, go out and do something nice for somebody else this week and don't tell anybody you did it.

01:34:04.20
Bill
So always be kind to each other, be good to each other, go out and do something nice for somebody else this week and don't tell anybody you did it. Now, from the bottom of my heart.

01:34:11.70
Mike
Now from the bottom of my heart to the depths of my soul from the beginning of time until the ends of the earth always and eternally.

01:34:13.98
Bill
to the depths of my soul from the beginning of time until the ends of the earth, always and eternally.

01:34:20.58
Mike
Fuck you.

01:34:20.98
Bill
Fuck you.

01:34:22.12
Mike
Now it is time, kids.

01:34:22.14
Normie the Great
this

01:34:22.71
Bill
Now it is time kids.

01:34:23.66
Mike
It's time for you to fuck off.

01:34:24.04
Bill
It's time for you to fuck off.

01:34:26.05
Mike
Then keep fucking off.

01:34:26.40
Bill
Then keep fucking off.

01:34:27.66
Mike
Keep fucking off till you get to a gate with a sign on it saying...

01:34:28.02
Bill
Keep fucking off till you get to a gate with a sign on it saying, you cannot fuck off past here.

01:34:30.49
Mike
You cannot fuck off past here. Climb over that gate.

01:34:33.81
Bill
So I'm over that gate.

01:34:34.90
Mike
Dream the impossible dream.

01:34:35.44
Bill
Dream the impossible dream and keep fucking off forever.

01:34:36.86
Mike
and keep fucking off forever.

01:34:41.17
Bill
and And now, boys and girls, we're going to see how this recording turns out because I have no idea.

01:34:41.41
Normie the Great
Woo-hoo!

01:34:45.17
Normie the Great
ha

01:34:46.60
Bill
but um Mike, when when we cut off here, just don't yeah don't hang up anything on your end while I make sure everything loads in, and then I'll keep you on the phone so we can let you know on that part, okay?

01:34:58.08
Mike
All right.

01:34:58.35
Bill
right All right, so yeah, i guess I guess that means we're done, right? I love you, brother.

01:35:02.91
Mike
Love you too.

01:35:03.27
Bill
Love you too. All right, Kath, thank you.

01:35:04.94
Normie the Great
Boop.

01:35:04.95
Bill
Thank you for joining us.

01:35:05.57
Normie the Great
Love you guys.

01:35:06.46
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:35:06.68
Bill
Uh huh.

01:35:07.06
Mike
Love you too.

01:35:07.66
Bill
Love you too.

01:35:08.70
Normie the Great
I love you See you.

01:35:08.66
Bill
Bye.

01:35:09.89
Mike
Bye.

01:35:10.09
Normie the Great
Bye-bye.

01:35:10.24
Bill
by