SoberNotMature - Episode 212 (Gooey Frappes & Brain Worms)

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Bill
All right, everyone. Welcome once again to another award nominated episode of Sober Not Mature.

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Mike
Yeah, it

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Bill
Thought about that. I'm like, can I say this and actually make it sound smooth? And I'm like, I'm going to give it a fucking try. So yeah.

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Mike
was pretty smooth.

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Bill
Well, good. So so anyhow, let's ah let's address the the fuckers that listen to us. So hey, fuckers, um has everyone, have you voted yet, I guess is the main question.

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Mike
Hey.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
Okay. If youve if you have not, why not?

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
Okay.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
If you happen to, let's say, use an email address that you shouldn't and you need to go back in and use the correct email address, maybe you need to go back in there and correct that, vote the right way.

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Mike
food

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Bill
Huh? Huh?

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Mike
Right. Right.

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Bill
but But more importantly, tell a friend. Come on now.

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Mike
right

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Bill
we we don't We don't want your fucking money anymore. We don't need no buying no coffee. We're not out here like all these other goddamn people going, ah we can't do this because, you know, if you want to keep it on the air for the listener, you got to buy us a coffee.

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Bill
No, just vote for us. It's just our goddamn ego. And it's nothing to do with anything else.

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Mike
right

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Bill
So I don't know. I think it'd be cool anyhow. So wouldn't it? Yeah.

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Mike
It would, yeah. Just to be nominated is an honor.

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Bill
Yeah, I mean, it it is. And like we said, to begin with, I mean, nobody can, you know, nobody can ever take that away from us. So obviously, granted, we got that.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
But yeah, it'd be it'd be pretty fucking cool. So quick side note there with the the whole Sands Bar thing. And I was thinking about it and um I'm going to and I wanted to get your opinion first.

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Bill
I mean, if he says no until the voting is done, I mean, obviously, that would be his choice. But I want to try to reach out to Chris from Sands Bar and see if he wants to come on. i I thought about it the other day and I looked and just did a did a search.

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Bill
and He's been on quite a few different podcasts before.

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Mike
Sure.

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Bill
Nothing recent. um You know, but I mean, even if I don't know, I mean, even if we hadn't been nominated, I think it'd be an interesting if we knew more about them. um You know, at the time, I think he would have been an interesting guest.

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Bill
So, um yeah, I mean, if ah if you have no no qualms, i didn't think you would. But, you know, I didn't want to just.

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Mike
No, absolutely not.

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Bill
OK.

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Mike
Yeah. And and i I think you're probably right. We should probably wait until the voting is ended.

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Bill
Yeah, and i' I'll reach out to him and just say, hey, we we understand. We just know that we we'd love to have you on, but let's let's look for you know middle to end of April and you know kind of go from there and you know whatever the whatever the deal is.

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Mike
Yeah, exactly.

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Bill
and

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Mike
And there's only a month left, so, you know, it's not like, ah yeah, not like we have to wait a long time, so.

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Bill
So,

00:02:26.49
Bill
yeah. I know. Yeah, literally it's April 11th. So yeah, month as of, as of yesterday, because we're, we're recording a day early. But, and I do, I want you to mention, you know, the, the why behind that.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
Cause I'm thinking that my, my guess is by Sunday, you're not going have any ass anymore. Cause you're go have rocked it all the way off.

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Mike
All right.

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Bill
But I I'd love to love to hear about that. You can share what your, what your weekend plans look like. Cause I think you've got some rocking to do this weekend.

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Mike
right

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Bill
Don't you?

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Mike
I have a little bit of rocking and or rolling to do.

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Bill
And a couple of things that I do. This is this might be a first for us that tonight. where i have I would like to talk about a politician.

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Bill
Not about a politics, really, but I'd like to like to have a conversation about a politician.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:03:09.45
Bill
a couple of things I heard and in that sort of thing. and I definitely listened to this individual was on a podcast. And actually talk about a politician in a positive way. That's the thing that I don't think is has happened yet on this on this podcast.

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Bill
Because...

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Mike
Absolutely not. Mm-hmm.

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Bill
we've been We've been an equal equal opportunity despiser of all politicians, but um I don't know.

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Mike
All

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Bill
i've gained I've gained a respect for this individual, and you've mentioned this person before.

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Mike
right.

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Bill
We've had a brief conversation, you and I individually, I think, off of here. Um, it's, it's come up in, in a brief conversation a while ago.

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Mike
Okay.

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Bill
So, um, I don't want to bring it up now because, uh, whatever you guys, you guys get to, everyone gets to hang out, including Mike and think, geez, which fucking non-politician are we going to talk about?

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Mike
a right cool all

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Bill
But, uh, no, it's a, it's good conversation, but kind of opened my eyes to a couple of things. And, um, I don't know if it's a, yeah, I, I think, I, I think I want to speak of this individual in a positive way. I think.

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Mike
all right well we'll find out oh well maybe i'm not making any guarantees

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Bill
Coming up on Sober Not Mature, we're going to talk nicely about a politician. Right. Yeah, that's that's a good point.

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Bill
Yeah. And I'm not going to try to if you don't like the individual, I'm not going to try to win you over. I'm just going to I've got some bullet points and you take it for what it's worth. And it's kind of what I did when I went into listening to it.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
I took it for what it's worth and I ended up taking it in a positive way. Oh, last thing before we start off with the reading.

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Mike
Right. Yes.

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Bill
I've got Heather's promo and I know we haven't really had a chance to talk about it.

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Mike
Hmm.

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Bill
So, I mean, I had told her that we were going to try to get this recorded at some point. I mean, tonight's just two. It's, it's, it's, it's a lot. We can do one of two things.

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Mike
Uh-huh.

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Bill
I can read it through just so everyone kind of gets a glimpse of it. We can figure out another day to record it or, or you and I could just read it back and forth as we would.

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Mike
All right.

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Bill
So we get both our voices.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
If it sounds good, we could use that as a, as a recorded version, but, One way the other, I mean, I mentioned, we mentioned to her in the message that we would start getting it out there. So I'd like to do that worst case scenario. Just read it into the record one way the other.

00:05:04.40
Bill
So, so yeah, our, our friend Heather is doing a, uh, whole travel thing and she's a, she's a good shit. Number one, we're going to have her on also in April when she, uh, gets a couple of things and she's going to be back from a trip and then anniversary or no, just a trip.

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Bill
She said she's coming off of, i don't remember what it is. Yeah.

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Mike
I don't know. Uh-huh.

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Bill
Something. So anyhow, yeah, we're going to So that's ah that's that's on that's what that's what's coming up this week.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
I'm so rude.

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Mike
m a

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Bill
This is what an award-nominated podcast... God, I can't. Okay. Never mind.

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Mike
It sounds like this is what it sounds like.

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Bill
Yeah, yeah and exactly. yeah the The universe just fucked me and said, no, you motherfucker. This is what you sound like.

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Mike
Yeah, right. Well, it was wonderful example of what this podcast sounds like. Stumbling over our words all over the map.

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Bill
Yeah.

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Mike
Yep, that's Hi.

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Bill
It says hello everyone. Okay.

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Mike
i

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Bill
So sorry, I will shut my mouth now. I've done talking about all my garbage and yeah, it's up to, it's, it's over in your court. Back to you, Mike.

00:06:03.57
Mike
All right. ah Well, all right then. As always, since we don't have anything good to say, we're going to take someone else's words and roll them around in our head for a little bit.

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
um Yes, this is a reading for today. This is ah from Touchstones, and it's actually today's read it this morning and went, ah, that'll work for tonight.

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Bill
Nice.

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Mike
So here we go. Touchstones, March 12th. No sooner have we assembled a comfortable life than we find a piece of ourself that has no place to fit in. Gail Sheely.

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Mike
I did not look her up. Let's see. we usually think of children going through stages. if we talk about a man or a woman going through a stage, there is usually a tone of a put down in it.

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Mike
But adults go through stages in their lives too. We have different drives and needs at 22 than we had at 16. Age 40 brings a different experience than 30. It would be sad to reach age 60 or 70 and have no more wisdom than we had 20 years earlier.

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Mike
An adult life crisis can come any time. We may have grown out of a formerly comfortable job. Perhaps we have new urgings for a more satisfactory relationship than we have settled for.

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Mike
From our recovery experience, we know that a crisis can bring growth. Courage is required of us from the cradle to the grave. Change continues throughout our life.

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Mike
with With courage, we can face our crises and the changes that come, and eventually we find the gift of new growth.

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Mike
The touchstone's thought of the day. Sure, why not? Help me find courage enough to live this day and meet the check the challenges it brings

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Bill
its It always just seems to cut so fucking short so quickly. It's like, eh, I was ready for it.

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Mike
Uh-huh. ye Yeah.

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Bill
But I thought that it it sometimes feels like, and I read that. I like that one, especially when talking about different ages and the wisdoms and a lot of interesting things.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
So the the last, the touchstone thought for the day, once again, can you, do you mind?

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Mike
Yes.

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Bill
Yeah.

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Mike
No. Oh, ah yeah. Let's see here. ah Help me find courage enough to live this day and meet the challenges it brings.

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Bill
right. So I'm just trying to think and I was going to ask you, too. I mean, any any challenges out of the ordinary like today or just today was a normal day. But I mean, I know it's kind of talking in general days.

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Bill
So basically, as as we wake up, we need to be able to face the challenges of of any day.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
So anything out of the ordinary that you that you do to face those challenges every day?

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Mike
Yeah.

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Mike
I mean, yeah, I wake up and read these damn books every day. i take a few moments and clear my head and prepare myself and, you know, yeah, get myself in the right mind, remind myself of exactly what the hell I am um Have to do that every day.

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
um Yeah, you know, and and and realize that... whatever is going to happen that day. um you know, January 6th comes to mind. Uh, you know, my sobriety has to come first, no matter what And, um Yeah, you know like like I said, you know take that time every morning. I mean, that's you know our routine. yeah We have to do it. I have to do it every damn day. Clear my head, put some good thoughts in there, remind myself of what I am, and um that's that's how I prepare for my day. And then shit, you know whatever whatever life throws at me that particular day, um I'm admit prepared for it the best i can be.

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Bill
I was just thinking when you said that, I was going to say, yeah, yeah, you're in my head. I was thinking, yeah, we are. We're prepared. is It's as good as it gets.

00:10:03.51
Mike
e

00:10:05.53
Bill
You know, it's basically what it is.

00:10:05.85
Mike
Yep.

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Bill
We're as prepared as well as we can be for whatever, whatever shit comes at us that day.

00:10:09.47
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:10:11.93
Bill
But yeah, I mean, that's, that's exactly what, and I didn't expect you to, obviously I kind of softballed that one to you because I didn't expect any, of you to see you to say anything other than that.

00:10:16.34
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:10:21.01
Bill
Be like, ah Oh, I don't know.

00:10:22.24
Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
Yeah.

00:10:23.03
Mike
Yeah, right. I have no fucking idea. I just get up and wing it.

00:10:27.67
Bill
Right. Yeah.

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Mike
No, I don't do that anymore, thankfully.

00:10:31.32
Bill
Right.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:10:31.80
Bill
Yeah. And you know, the the thing of it is, is that I, it's funny because a lot of times when I literally, when my alarm goes off, the first two words out of my mouth are fuck me.

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Bill
I say that every once in a while, not because I'm not happy to wake up.

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Mike
Mmm.

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Bill
But usually I'm i'm sitting up to you know to turn my alarm off and either my back hurts or i'm i'm immediately I'm like, God damn, you're fucking tired.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Mike
Mmm.

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Bill
Why do I have to get up yet?

00:10:54.49
Mike
Aha.

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Bill
That sort of thing.

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Mike
Yate. Yeah.

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Bill
That's where the fuck me comes from. it's not like it's not I'm glad I'm waking up and I never think of it as ah is a negative, but...

00:11:03.88
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:11:04.38
Bill
But I do hate say that quite a bit. Fuck me.

00:11:07.64
Mike
Hehehehehe.

00:11:08.82
Bill
um But now I'm probably going to laugh at it from from now on when I do it because it's it is it's kind of funny.

00:11:11.80
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:11:13.78
Bill
But, you know, it is. it's ah it's the The funny part is, is it with this, um like this whole cold that I had, and it it literally went, I mean, kind of built up and it was basically a two-week process.

00:11:26.46
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:11:26.64
Bill
You know, i mean, this time last week, i was kind of a fucking mess, you know.

00:11:29.72
Mike
Right.

00:11:29.88
Bill
And literally, I mean, you could do when I listen back to the recording from last week, you would hear it in my voice. And, you know, I mean, I was i was pausing quite a bit because I was coughing.

00:11:34.63
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:11:37.96
Bill
It wasn't as bad as it was that Tuesday, Wednesday. But what what was happening was, is I was coming out of it. you know, I'd wake up right away in the morning. and It's like the the immediate thing is like, how do I feel?

00:11:48.21
Bill
You know, and I get up and I'm like, I think I'm actually pretty good.

00:11:48.94
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:11:51.49
Bill
But then whatever it is, all the juice in my head runs down into my body or things, things even out.

00:11:51.93
Mike
Sure. Uh-huh. Yep. Right.

00:11:56.41
Bill
And I'm like, I'm like, fuck.

00:11:57.02
Mike
aha

00:11:59.19
Bill
But yeah, I mean, all I have now is just this little stuffy, you know, nothing, nothing big.

00:11:59.19
Mike
help

00:12:03.83
Bill
And then a little bit of a cough here and there, not bad like it was, you know, but it was probably the, again, the the worst cold that I've had.

00:12:07.32
Mike
right

00:12:11.31
Bill
And I mean, if nothing else, I think when I first came down here that first year, Kathy had COVID, i think Kylie did also.

00:12:17.49
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

00:12:18.35
Bill
And I think I got that because something lingered with me for a few weeks. Um, so it might be from there, but beyond that, it was back to when shit, when you and I lived together and I ended up with, you know, fucking sinus infection, double ear infection.

00:12:22.47
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:12:31.04
Bill
I felt like what fucking walking death, you know? Um, but you know, the, the thing of it is, is that there was nothing that was, um, a couple of times I thought about, you know, I don't, uh, this is going to be long fucking day cause I didn't sleep well or whatever the case is, but I didn't go into the day like with a negative thought because I didn't feel good.

00:12:44.04
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:12:49.20
Bill
Um, I just, I know myself better.

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Mike
Right.

00:12:50.88
Bill
I can't lay around unless I could just go to sleep. I can't just sit around to do nothing. That's probably one of the reasons I don't call in sick is because it's not that I wouldn't like to go back to sleep, but it doesn't do me any good, you know?

00:13:01.72
Mike
Right.

00:13:02.74
Bill
And if it's not going to do me any good, what's the fucking point? You know, kind of like, why would I want to have one drink?

00:13:05.50
Mike
Exactly. Uh-huh.

00:13:09.05
Bill
It's it's not going to do me any good, you know? But yeah, sitting down ah and doing the doing the readings. And I mean, for for so many years now, you know so many days that we've done that. And I know both of us are.

00:13:20.25
Bill
We're really proud of that. you know And I actually snagged something out of the 24-hour book this morning that I posted.

00:13:21.41
Mike
Yeah, absolutely. Uh-huh.

00:13:27.76
Bill
Doesn't happen very often, but but don't remember exactly even what it was.

00:13:29.24
Mike
Right.

00:13:31.54
Bill
But I really liked it. And it wasn't it wasn't God-ish.

00:13:34.14
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:13:36.02
Bill
there but There was a couple of readings this week.

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Mike
Yep.

00:13:38.42
Bill
I counted one time those like 16 or 17 God words in one of them.

00:13:38.58
Mike
Uh-huh.

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Mike
yall

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Bill
I'm like, oh, my Lord, is just that's fucking crazy.

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Mike
the

00:13:46.82
Bill
um

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Mike
aha

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Bill
But yeah, I mean, I don't but with I couldn't imagine we've talked about I couldn't imagine going without doing that. And I couldn't imagine doing anything but that now in my life, then then get my shit straight.

00:13:53.15
Mike
Yeah.

00:14:00.17
Bill
You know, I just I don't know what I what the fuck. I don't get it. You know.

00:14:03.64
Mike
Right. Yeah. i i Right. I can't imagine it either because i you know, right. I do all this stuff. I do this preparation of getting myself prepared for the day, whatever.

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Mike
And yeah, if I, you know, and sometimes even then it's, it's a slog. of Yeah.

00:14:19.63
Bill
Right.

00:14:20.79
Mike
Right. if If we didn't do that, God, how awful would the day be? ah You know, and again, coming back to being selfish and self-centered, I don't want to have a day like that.

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Mike
So I'm i going to do my little preparation in the morning to, you know, hopefully make it a little bit better.

00:14:38.47
Bill
Right.

00:14:39.00
Mike
Yeah.

00:14:39.19
Bill
Well, and i and i was just thinking about it. I mean, with the and I just did the math because I had a rough idea in my head. But, you know, you got to figure that for both of us and I split the middle between your age and my age, um you know, like little a little over 27 percent of our lives has been spent doing this.

00:14:52.75
Bill
You know, that's a lot.

00:14:52.95
Mike
Right.

00:14:54.30
Bill
You know, because you figure the first 25%, I mean, you know, we didn't know what the fuck we were doing.

00:14:54.55
Mike
Yeah.

00:14:58.90
Bill
You know, we're just, just fucking kids.

00:14:58.94
Mike
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:15:00.58
Bill
And then for the second, for the second, you know, 50% of our lives, we were fucking things up, you know?

00:15:01.26
Mike
Dopey kids, right?

00:15:05.31
Mike
Uh-huh. Yep.

00:15:06.90
Bill
And I mean, but seriously, I mean, it just, we've been doing it for so long. That's the thing. And again, i realize it's all it's yet and I'm grateful for and but for the grace go us and blah, blah, blah.

00:15:15.30
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:15:18.34
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:15:19.01
Bill
But you know you you hear all the time when ah people relapsing, i and I'm so glad that i can't even I can't even stretch a thought to think that what would it be like, not just a relapse, but be like, you know what?

00:15:32.52
Bill
um I just, I don't want to do this shit anymore. good.

00:15:35.67
Mike
Right.

00:15:36.32
Bill
I'm good. you know We talk a lot about you know meetings and stuff like that and the fact that our recovery has changed in that manner.

00:15:37.75
Mike
Yeah.

00:15:40.38
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:15:43.08
Bill
um you know so That part has changed, but you know but as far as what we do on a daily basis, who we are as core human beings and core people in recovery, um i don't boy i can't I can't even fathom being somebody different.

00:15:43.47
Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

00:15:56.81
Bill
and trying to i couldn't imagine.

00:15:57.24
Mike
Right.

00:15:58.89
Bill
It's just unimaginable.

00:16:00.12
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. mean And that's, yeah, it that's, and that's great.

00:16:01.60
Bill
Right? Right.

00:16:04.60
Mike
You know, I mean, yeah and it to a point, you know, we can sort of try to, I occasionally do try to imagine what it would be like to, you know, go back and whatever backslip and and relapse and, you know, what, what, yeah, you know, and it's, yeah, it's awful.

00:16:25.18
Mike
And, um, Thankfully, it's awful and and have no desire to do that.

00:16:29.23
Bill
Right.

00:16:32.10
Mike
you know i I'm very content with you know living the rest of my life like this, no matter what fucking happens.

00:16:38.86
Bill
Right.

00:16:40.81
Mike
you know and and And, you know, like kind of back to the reading, I mean, yes, things change.

00:16:41.46
Bill
Right.

00:16:46.69
Mike
Things are definitely different than they were 10 years ago, you know, or 12 years ago or 14 years ago or five years ago. Things are different. Um, and you know, in some ways better and some ways to just different, you know, I can't even say worse, um, because they're, they're different, you know, and it and that is what it is and that's okay.

00:17:04.64
Bill
Right.

00:17:09.28
Mike
And I'm all right with things being different because again, that, that core, of that foundation is the same. And as long as that stays the same, doesn't fucking matter what happens with the rest of it at all.

00:17:23.79
Bill
Right. Yeah. And, you know, my my my same thing that in the same deal I talked about when I, you know, obviously when I had the the whole heart of, I say the whole heart attack thing, when I know when i had a fucking heart attack, you know, these these realizations about, you know, again, not wanting chase people.

00:17:34.22
Mike
Yes.

00:17:38.06
Bill
i'm I'm done being, you know, but settling for shit and whatever the case is, but then really taking a look at my life and, you know, it hit my work situation hasn't changed yet.

00:17:41.88
Mike
a

00:17:46.86
Bill
You know, it's yet, you know, but it's, it's one of those things where um work is work has been a true struggle for months now, you know?

00:17:47.13
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:17:53.56
Mike
a

00:17:53.94
Bill
um But, I'm not going to let that, you know, i'm not going to let that fuck me up, you know, because what two things I two things I look at.

00:17:59.67
Mike
Yeah.

00:18:01.96
Bill
I mean, I know the opportunity that that that Kathy and I are looking at the opportunities that we have. But then, you know, the other part of me, here's here's the here's a negative part of me that that slips in.

00:18:12.87
Mike
Right.

00:18:13.05
Bill
It just it it just did today again, too, you know, kind of came through my head. You know, I'm 57 years old and and i and I look at it. I'm like, you know we I'm. having I'm having financial struggles at work.

00:18:24.40
Bill
and i'm you know I've been working for fucking 45 years you know or 42 years.

00:18:27.32
Mike
Right.

00:18:28.76
Bill
and I'm like, why the fuck you know after this many years of blah, blah. Then I'm like, what does it even fucking matter? you know because it doesn't It doesn't matter.

00:18:35.06
Mike
right

00:18:36.74
Bill
It's going to fix anything. so if i can If I can correct that, which I think I can, make some money, be happy, and do whatever for the remaining however many years I have, that's enough.

00:18:38.42
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:18:45.56
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:18:46.16
Bill
you know That's fucking enough.

00:18:46.52
Mike
Yep.

00:18:48.12
Bill
and

00:18:48.28
Mike
Yes.

00:18:49.48
Bill
um i stopped years ago know thinking well why didn't why did i have to wait until 41 well because i did we've talked about it on here clearly we've talked about it on here you know but the the thing of it is is that um i i don't know once again life is not perfect life is not all that you know it's um uh why can i think of heidi sing right now or um jesus i'm sorry heidi strawberries and orgasms and the orgasm thing was in my head but i'm like

00:18:54.69
Mike
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

00:18:58.45
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:19:08.09
Mike
it Strawberries and orgasms. Yep. Sure. Mm-hmm. Uh-huh. yep sure

00:19:15.48
Bill
What goes with it?

00:19:17.27
Mike
he

00:19:18.46
Bill
um You know, but it's my God, it's so much better. Like you just said, you know, in thinking back, ah okay, with the struggles I'm having, whatever. Okay. If I'm having, if I'm having some financial struggles here and there, or if I ever had a point, okay, so throw fucking booze on top of it.

00:19:34.61
Mike
ah ha

00:19:34.94
Bill
Well, you know, then I, then I can't, then I'm not just having struggles. I'm financially, you know, fucking devastated because, oh my God, the money's going to booze, you know?

00:19:41.56
Mike
Yep. Yep.

00:19:44.66
Bill
um So I don't know. There's a, there's, it's, it could always be worse. There's always the yet's. And like you said, you know, the, the thoughts of going back to whatever, whatever it is that we thought we were doing at that timeframe, it's fucking awful.

00:19:55.90
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:19:56.45
Bill
I like the being said that. It's just, it's just awful.

00:19:57.59
Mike
Yeah.

00:19:59.29
Bill
But so couple of other things I wrote down.

00:19:59.26
Mike
Yeah.

00:20:03.19
Bill
So new crisis can bring growth. I think that, I think we agree with that in the general sense, but is there anything specific on on that, that you, that kind of popped out at you or no?

00:20:06.26
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:20:08.58
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:20:12.89
Mike
Well, I mean, yeah you know, again, and and it comes back down to personal responsibility and, you know, right.

00:20:18.15
Bill
Right.

00:20:19.01
Mike
Yes. Crisis is going to come. And if we allow it to, uh, manifest itself into growth, you know, that's the thing. I mean, we could sit there wallow in it and, you know, be negative and whatever, or we can, we can grow from it.

00:20:35.01
Mike
And that's completely up to us.

00:20:35.57
Bill
Right.

00:20:36.61
Mike
You know, that's, again, the freedom and the choices that we have today because of that foundation that we have, um you know, yes, you know, if we allow the growth to happen um and that's, that's freedom, that's beautiful, you know, it,

00:20:51.52
Bill
Right.

00:20:53.40
Mike
Crisis will happen. It's what we do with it. You know, it's, it's, it's all up to us. And that's, that's a great thing. You know, and I, again, I, I choose today to allow it to cause growth in me, um, to, to look at my life and go, okay, let's, this bad thing happened.

00:21:12.30
Mike
Let's make it better.

00:21:14.13
Bill
Right. Yeah. I mean, what what can you learn from? What can you take from it?

00:21:17.30
Mike
Yeah.

00:21:17.91
Bill
No bad examples that we always talk about.

00:21:17.94
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

00:21:19.99
Bill
And the and everything's everything's our fault. You know you talked about that that last week.

00:21:23.43
Mike
Yep.

00:21:24.46
Bill
You brought it up last week with Ryan. um You know, and i you you you use the word manifest. Manifest it and turn it into growth.

00:21:30.91
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:21:31.96
Bill
But I like that because it is.

00:21:32.65
Mike
Ooh.

00:21:35.68
Bill
So what, yeah, what can I do with this thing? And even a good thing, you know, what am I going to do with a good thing?

00:21:39.03
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:21:40.68
Bill
I can, I can fuck up.

00:21:40.82
Mike
Right.

00:21:42.20
Bill
thing

00:21:42.84
Mike
Oh, yeah.

00:21:43.16
Bill
I can, I can fuck up a good thing as much as I can fuck up a bad thing, you know, or, or let a bad thing fuck me up.

00:21:46.55
Mike
Yep.

00:21:48.72
Bill
I can definitely take a ah good thing and, and fuck the shit out of it, you know?

00:21:48.89
Mike
Yes. Mm-hmm.

00:21:52.63
Bill
Right.

00:21:52.63
Mike
Right, yeah, and and can have a good thing, fuck me up. and Yeah, exactly.

00:21:56.28
Bill
Right.

00:21:56.79
Mike
Yeah, you know, seen that plenty of times too, you know, especially in early recovery. I mean, we've seen it thousands of times over, and you know, they get their shit together and things start getting good and and they, you know, get right.

00:22:07.66
Bill
Right.

00:22:08.88
Mike
And then you forget. Then you think you have it. You think you're doing something, you know, and clearly we are doing something, but it's not – You know, it's not us. it's It's something bigger than us that's allowing us to make things better.

00:22:24.30
Mike
And that's, yeah, we've got to continue to remember that. Otherwise, otherwise we're fucked. We start managing our own lives and we know how that turns out.

00:22:31.45
Bill
hey Yeah, that's the story you talk about. We were told that, I mean, literally right off the bat, you know, watch out, you know, because you get you get the job, you get the car, you get the relationship.

00:22:42.17
Bill
And again, whether you're, you know, whether it's men or women, I was going to say get the girl, but, you know, whether it's the men men or women, you get the relationship, you know, and then, you know, but whatever the case is, and then, hey, I've i've got all this shit back.

00:22:42.17
Mike
You know. Yeah. Right. Right.

00:22:52.50
Bill
And, you know, I don't know, we, both of us, I think, God, when we, I didn't think so at the time, but, When I think back at it now, i mean, both of us got very got got a lot of positive things relatively quickly, I would say, and and lived relatively comfortably relatively quickly.

00:23:10.18
Bill
You know, we didn't we't have the world by the fucking balls, but I mean, um you know, we...

00:23:10.36
Mike
Right.

00:23:12.89
Mike
No. Still don't.

00:23:15.06
Bill
Right.

00:23:15.42
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

00:23:16.50
Bill
But I'm just saying at that at that point, I don't think there was anything that that happened you know where where we could have been like, holy fuck, man, look at look at all this shit. I mean, it's all cool.

00:23:25.75
Mike
Right.

00:23:26.34
Bill
you know You have these fleeting moments of this is really fucking cool. How far have I come?

00:23:29.99
Mike
Right. Uh-huh.

00:23:30.58
Bill
Whatever the case is.

00:23:32.21
Mike
Right.

00:23:32.28
Bill
You know, um but um I don't know. yeah It's a it's a dangerous thing, even to this day. You know, I mean, we always talk about that.

00:23:37.13
Mike
Yeah.

00:23:38.96
Bill
The the things that we that we have, it's so much better when we've had to work for them and, you know, had a little bit of struggle over it because you get to look back and you're like that.

00:23:41.93
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:23:45.25
Mike
Mm-hmm. Yep.

00:23:49.69
Bill
I mean, again, earned. We know about that word and deserve. We know about that word, too.

00:23:53.44
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:23:53.81
Bill
But I mean, earned it. You know, you you worked your ass off for it and you you know, you got you got something.

00:23:57.04
Mike
Yep. Mm-hmm.

00:23:59.58
Bill
Whether or not we deserve it is another story because we know the answer to that.

00:24:01.62
Mike
Right.

00:24:02.78
Bill
you know But, you know hey, i I did the work and I did this and I did that.

00:24:02.94
Mike
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00:24:06.54
Bill
These are the the fruits of my labor type of thing.

00:24:08.92
Mike
Yes.

00:24:10.34
Bill
But um I'm trying to think what else... ah I don't think I really, oh, it's just the different ages thing I thought was kind of was kind of interesting where it said, especially the one where it said, i don't know if it said sad, but it said something and not necessarily the best thing is that, you know, how how weird or how ah whatever that would be if you were, you know, at 50 or 60, if you had no more wisdom than you did at, you know, 20 or 30.

00:24:18.63
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:24:33.48
Bill
And that's when I read that this morning, I'm like, yeah, God damn, you know.

00:24:33.53
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

00:24:36.48
Bill
um I mean, I'm not the smartest guy in the room, but I think I've got a little bit more between my shoulders and I've got a few more life lessons where, you know, I know a couple of things, you know, so again, wisdom.

00:24:36.73
Mike
Mm-hmm. right

00:24:47.66
Bill
yeah I've got some, I've got some knowledge behind me, I think.

00:24:49.98
Mike
easy

00:24:52.09
Bill
So what else? Anything else with the anything else with the reading there?

00:24:55.39
Mike
No, I think we've covered it fairly well. You know, yes, life's going to give you challenges.

00:24:59.88
Bill
Okay. Okay.

00:25:01.81
Mike
It's how you deal with it and what you allow yourself to get from it, no matter what it is, good or bad or indifferent. You know, if it's good, how you going deal with it?

00:25:12.73
Mike
If it's bad, how you going to deal with it? Are you going to continue to grow are you going to continue to accrue that wisdom? And yeah, you know, I am.

00:25:23.03
Mike
I think I am. You know, check check with me next week.

00:25:25.50
Bill
it's just Just the way you said that, you love you know what? I am. i like me. My customers like me.

00:25:31.61
Mike
Yeah, that's right.

00:25:34.64
Bill
You know, and speaking of that real quick with actors, it nothing to do with John Candy, but I meant to bring this up couple weeks ago, I think, when both of these individuals had passed. But do you know the name Robert Carradine or Carradine?

00:25:46.04
Mike
Oh, yeah.

00:25:46.90
Bill
Okay, see, I don't know that if some, is it Carradine?

00:25:48.10
Mike
Carradine.

00:25:49.73
Bill
Okay, I didn't know even how to pronounce it.

00:25:50.07
Mike
Yeah.

00:25:51.53
Bill
If anyone would have mentioned his name, I know him. I know the actor.

00:25:54.54
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:25:55.19
Bill
I knew his face.

00:25:55.66
Mike
Sure.

00:25:55.83
Bill
is You know, the one of the dudes, who up for everyone, one of the dudes from Revenge of the Nerds. One of the you know one of the actors that were, not the Anthony Edwards, the other guy.

00:26:00.34
Mike
Right.

00:26:04.24
Bill
um

00:26:04.48
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

00:26:05.62
Bill
And, you know, so yeah, he he died. and then also Martin Short's daughter, which I didn't know her.

00:26:11.29
Mike
Yeah.

00:26:13.18
Bill
Catherine, is her name Catherine Short?

00:26:13.37
Mike
Right. I think so.

00:26:16.12
Bill
Yeah, so um Robert was 71. I don't know how old the Martin Short's daughter was.

00:26:20.82
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:26:23.35
Bill
I think 30s or 40s.

00:26:23.42
Mike
She was at, yeah, 30s, I believe. Mm-hmm.

00:26:26.42
Bill
Okay, so both of them, both of them committed suicide. And both of them, which was weird, mental health issues, but mention of bipolar for both of them.

00:26:36.88
Mike
Right.

00:26:37.69
Bill
And I guess that, you know, again, the Robert, Robert Carradine, I, ah why would I have known, you know, but I mean, I don't remember ever hearing about it, but, you know, apparently had struggled with it for years and just, it sounds to me like he just got a case of the fuck as I got tired of dealing with it and, you know, fucking off to himself.

00:26:48.61
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:26:52.95
Mike
Right.

00:26:54.37
Bill
I could be wrong, but that's kind of the gist I got from the story. I mean, 71, he lived a long life, but still kind of sad, you know, to get to that point.

00:26:59.06
Mike
Right. yeah

00:27:01.39
Bill
But then, i mean, i don't know what the deal was with if Martin Short's daughter also had struggles over the years or whatever the deal was. Clearly, I just thought it was really, really odd because, I mean, I can't think of anyone specifically, not that I would name the person anyhow, you know, like out of our recovery group.

00:27:18.18
Bill
But I believe we've run across people within our group that have had, i mean, a lot of people have had openly have had mental health issues and struggles and, you know, tried to work through them and blah, blah, blah.

00:27:18.41
Mike
Right.

00:27:26.35
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:27:28.79
Bill
But I think we've run across people that is bipolar like a thing with alcohol and drug abuse or no.

00:27:28.95
Mike
Right.

00:27:34.74
Mike
Yeah, yeah.

00:27:34.86
Bill
Do you know that?

00:27:35.70
Mike
I mean, you know, I mean, people try to self-medicate. i You know, yeah.

00:27:38.65
Bill
Oh, that's a good point. Yeah.

00:27:39.77
Mike
Right. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, it manifests itself that way. Absolutely.

00:27:44.70
Bill
Yeah, and it was just the the only person that i that I really knew and had any experience with, and I'm sure I brought it up on here at the one point, but there was a um ah guy that was I was friends with when Dawn and I were together.

00:27:56.51
Bill
don't remember even how we met him.

00:27:56.82
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:27:57.98
Bill
I think we met him probably at the place we used to play pool or something like that. It seems like where where we would have met, but a little bit younger than us.

00:28:05.54
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:28:06.84
Bill
I'm probably by a handful of years, if maybe a little bit younger than that. don't remember now, but I didn't know. And then um he had, you know, he he and I got to be decent friends and we go out and, you know, we drink in the same places and hang out to whatever.

00:28:12.62
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:28:19.86
Bill
I never really saw him. Well, one time I saw him be a problem one, but that's when I found out that he was off his meds too. You know, so I knew he was bipolar and I knew he was medicated. You know, he was always in decent shape, but this yes one night we're at a fucking bar and, um,

00:28:34.04
Bill
you know, he's drinking, he's drinking Jack and Coke or whatever. I think he was, whatever he was drinking. And you could just tell he was getting, he was getting kind of loaded up and he had some shit going on.

00:28:38.36
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:28:41.52
Bill
I think his says girlfriend or baby mom or whatever the deal was, he was going through some shit.

00:28:45.26
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:28:45.64
Bill
And I remember that part of it.

00:28:45.94
Mike
Right.

00:28:47.38
Bill
um But I mean, he got to the point, I mean, we, he was going to get kicked out. So we just fucking left.

00:28:52.54
Mike
Right.

00:28:53.11
Bill
And then we're driving home and I'm like, first of all, it's like, I had a brand new car at the time. I'm like, dude, you better not throw up in my fucking car.

00:28:58.53
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:28:58.83
Bill
You know, and I ended up having to pull over he fucking threw up out, you know, thankfully out not at my car. But then he tells me, he's like, he goes, yeah, he goes, I just, I didn't take my meds for the last couple of days. I'm like, what the fuck, man?

00:29:09.50
Mike
Right.

00:29:10.07
Bill
So I, I mean, I, I experienced it only in the matter of, I knew who he was normally. And then he just went, you know, kind of off the defense. It was fucking weird.

00:29:18.27
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:29:18.39
Bill
but then again, it made sense. So I just, I don't know.

00:29:19.93
Mike
Right.

00:29:20.55
Bill
It just, it threw me a little bit because, you know, again, just very odd that, you know, just two people.

00:29:26.49
Mike
hmm.

00:29:26.75
Bill
And I'm sure there's, you know, hundreds of people on a daily basis that have issues like that, but you know, you get these things in the spotlight.

00:29:28.89
Mike
Sure. Mm hmm.

00:29:32.96
Bill
I just didn't, it was just weird to me. So

00:29:35.79
Mike
Huh?

00:29:36.79
Bill
i don't know That was it. I don't really have anything else that goes along with that.

00:29:40.06
Mike
Yeah, me neither.

00:29:42.94
Bill
yeah Speaking of it, I thought about it. I always i always texted you the other day just to kind of fuck with you. I'm like, I'll save this for the podcast. So the daylight savings thing, and I didn't hear it this time.

00:29:51.56
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:29:52.60
Bill
um But, you know, the is it is it the other way around when the clocks go for ah go backwards? like Is it the fall where people get all fucked up in the head with the time change? Or is it that the spring also?

00:30:04.08
Bill
You know, that.

00:30:04.63
Mike
Um, yeah, I mean, it's, well, I think the fall is easier because you get it an extra hour, you know?

00:30:10.20
Bill
Right. Right.

00:30:10.35
Mike
Um, yeah, I think the spring's probably a tougher one. I know it has been for me. I've been dragging ass all fucking week and I'm like, yeah, yeah.

00:30:16.79
Bill
Really? Right.

00:30:18.31
Mike
You know, I, and definitely Monday and Tuesday, you know, I was just like, uh, you know, um, and I knew why and whatever fucking powered through it.

00:30:26.74
Bill
Mm-hmm.

00:30:27.14
Mike
least I wasn't fucking hung over. um But ah yeah, you know, definitely, you know, it's I wish they would just stop this shit.

00:30:37.27
Bill
Well, and I i think um whatever it was, and I don't remember what the deal was a couple of years ago, why it got stopped. But there was it was supposed to be the change a few years ago, handful of years ago.

00:30:48.11
Bill
Maybe it was a COVID time when when they were going to do it and they didn't do it. But um ah whatever the deal is.

00:30:51.40
Mike
Mm hmm. Mm

00:30:52.71
Bill
But I think that if they kept it on, I mean, I understand that this is not right now. You know, daylight savings time is not theoretically real time.

00:31:00.88
Mike
hmm.

00:31:01.34
Bill
Um, but I mean, i if anyone was going to ask me, I'd say stick it, stick with this because the summertime obviously get, you know, more light.

00:31:06.30
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:31:08.74
Bill
and

00:31:09.34
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:31:09.42
Bill
I like the, I, I like, I don't care if it's dark in the morning. I mean, I, don't I don't, don't know who, who fucking cares.

00:31:13.46
Mike
Yeah.

00:31:15.04
Bill
I mean, even if you have to work outside, um, I, I don't know.

00:31:15.35
Mike
Right.

00:31:18.20
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:31:18.84
Bill
I've never really talked to anyone that's, that's bitched about it being dark in the morning. It's a dark at night type of thing that everyone's always like, what time is it?

00:31:23.80
Mike
Right.

00:31:26.36
Bill
Oh, it's lunchtime.

00:31:26.74
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:31:27.16
Bill
No, it's noon.

00:31:27.64
Mike
Yeah.

00:31:28.24
Bill
You know, all that fucking shit. But no, it just made me think about it. I didn't, I didn't hear a lot of articles about it, but, um, you know, i just, I, I still, I don't understand. And that's surprising that, uh, uh, well, I don't know.

00:31:39.11
Bill
I mean, maybe if, uh, I don't think that I was any more tired this, you know, this week, but, um, You know, it it's never really affected me. But, you know, i think about it just from the simple part about traveling, you know, I mean, you know, it's like going from one time zone to the other.

00:31:52.50
Bill
And a lot of times I'll do that on a weekend because I can go within within 20 minutes to a half hour in three directions from here and I end up in the eastern time zone.

00:31:53.00
Mike
Right.

00:31:55.60
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:32:01.20
Mike
Right. Right.

00:32:03.10
Bill
And I do that a lot because I go to hiking trails, you know?

00:32:04.60
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

00:32:06.49
Bill
So, um, I mean, I, it was great one time, one time in the fall, I was out in, uh, in Cleveland when the time changed.

00:32:11.84
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:32:12.79
Bill
So, I mean, I, I was out there, I got the hour back, you got the hour back. I got, I gained two fucking hours on that, you know, in that weekend.

00:32:17.86
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

00:32:18.59
Bill
That was kind of great, you know?

00:32:20.11
Mike
aha

00:32:20.47
Bill
But I don't know. it's just It's just weird to me. I've never really had a problem with it. So I don't know. Just, again, a lot about nothing. But, hey, if you're if you're struggling from the from the time change, I i don't know what to tell you.

00:32:31.57
Bill
Get some more sleep or fucking deal with it, right?

00:32:32.09
Mike
he right

00:32:35.64
Bill
all right so um let me dig back i wrote down i think i got a couple of things from these last couple of weeks um all right so this one was from since you don't really keep it simple anymore this could be some of these things could end up being new to you again so i i might have i might have a leg up on this shit now um all right so the it says again keep it simple higher power help me find reminders today that the world could be a friendly place.

00:32:48.63
Mike
Right. right.

00:33:00.66
Bill
Okay. I will put my best face forward and hope my good and energy will be reflected back. Okay. So in parentheses, which is kind of funny now, because that's kind of like the reading that we, that we just did a little bit, um, and talking about it afterwards, starting our day.

00:33:15.70
Bill
Right. But, um, do you ever find it difficult to look as at the world as a, as a friendly place?

00:33:16.44
Mike
Right.

00:33:23.51
Mike
Absolutely.

00:33:24.36
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:33:25.66
Bill
i was I was trying to get that out without laughing because I knew what the fucking answer was.

00:33:29.16
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:33:29.54
Bill
But let let me let me rephrase. How do you end up dealing with the world and making it a friendly place for you?

00:33:36.13
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:33:36.34
Bill
How do you put on your your happy face and you know in in in spite of the world being a fucked up place to walk into every day?

00:33:42.07
Mike
a Right. um Yeah. You know, it it comes down to the faking it a bit sometimes still, um you know, yeah.

00:33:51.55
Bill
Right.

00:33:53.69
Mike
Yeah. I'm in a bad mood, whatever, blah, blah, blah. But yeah. I um i try not to add to the unfriendliness anymore.

00:34:04.23
Mike
um You know, I mean, I used to, i used to,

00:34:04.72
Bill
Right.

00:34:09.08
Mike
purposely add to it i you know make it more unfriendly you know you want to be unfriendly to me fuck you i'll show you i'll show you what unfriendly is like um

00:34:13.83
Bill
Right.

00:34:18.33
Bill
Right.

00:34:19.16
Mike
And that's kind of how I lived my life for a long time. um But yeah, you know, now it's just a whatever, you know, fake it a little, you hey, how you doing? How's your day going? Blah, blah, blah. You know, I don't fucking care. i don't. um But I'm going to engage with someone and and and try to make that, you know, 30, 45, 90 second encounter with me, at least not unpleasant. Yeah.

00:34:46.23
Mike
And hopefully maybe maybe a little break in the bullshit that they're dealing with for their day. You know, it's all that's all I can do.

00:34:52.51
Bill
Right.

00:34:54.36
Mike
and and and And I do.

00:34:54.47
Bill
Right.

00:34:56.20
Mike
I try to. That's it That's all. you know and and you know and And if somebody's trying to throw me some fucking shade, I just look at them and go, feel bad for you, man.

00:34:59.54
Bill
Yeah.

00:35:07.24
Mike
feel sorry for you. Because, you know, yeah, I'm not completely fucking happy, but I'm not as miserable as you are anymore. So thanks for the reminder, dickhead.

00:35:13.98
Bill
ah

00:35:18.23
Bill
Yeah, you know what? and that's That's a good point because, I mean, you know, it was um it was ah always a lot of, well, i thought I thought it was a lot of fun. I'd looked at it as being a lot of fun, you know, stirring shit, you know.

00:35:28.41
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:35:31.29
Bill
And you see somebody that's that's kind of fucked up or like you said, you you want to see unfriendly.

00:35:36.44
Mike
Exactly.

00:35:36.73
Bill
ah I could show you some fucking unfriendly that you want to get that way with me.

00:35:41.18
Mike
Yep.

00:35:42.21
Bill
I i got some.

00:35:42.76
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:35:43.25
Bill
I got some.

00:35:43.61
Mike
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

00:35:44.72
Bill
And it was. I mean, I considered it to be kind of not, I don't know, not a not a game, but maybe, I guess, inadvertently a little bit of a game.

00:35:51.00
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:35:53.14
Bill
I wasn't trying to you know say...

00:35:53.50
Mike
Right. Yeah. A game that I will win. Mm-hmm.

00:35:56.12
Bill
Yeah, absolutely. I could be ah I could definitely be a bigger dick than than anyone anyone out there if I if I choose to be.

00:36:00.68
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:36:02.36
Bill
But yeah, you know, the the thing of it is, and and we've talked about that before, and I like when you bring that up, these these short interactions, regardless of of what's going on, you know, in the world or or whatever the case is, um you know, just being that um in the the same thing.

00:36:02.36
Mike
Right.

00:36:08.91
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:36:13.91
Mike
Right.

00:36:16.98
Bill
And it it goes back to it just maybe think about it. It goes back to how we are taught to act from an Alcoholics Anonymous standpoint.

00:36:24.14
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:36:24.22
Bill
You know, maybe we are the only glimpse that somebody is ever going to get of what not only what recovery looks like, you know, but what recovery from alcohol in in Alcoholics Anonymous looks like or what a member of Alcoholics Anonymous and recovery looks like, you know.

00:36:24.28
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:36:27.70
Mike
if

00:36:31.96
Mike
Right.

00:36:36.18
Mike
Yeah.

00:36:38.65
Mike
who Right.

00:36:40.76
Bill
So, I mean, that's some fucking responsibility, you know.

00:36:43.44
Mike
Absolutely.

00:36:43.55
Bill
Yeah.

00:36:44.06
Mike
Oh, you know, that reminds me, um, shit, probably three, four weeks ago, something like that. Um, this girl led at my home group, right. And she was, she was talking about, she was working at subway.

00:36:57.49
Mike
Right. And, you know, in the midst of, you know, her shit or addiction and, um, This couple would come in like, you know, once or twice a week and, and they had, you know, this glow about them and they were, it was like the only people that ever came into the subway when she was working that she like kind of looked forward to and they were happy people and blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:36:58.23
Bill
Mm-hmm.

00:37:19.68
Mike
And when she finally got in the rooms, there they fucking were. Yeah.

00:37:25.05
Bill
ah

00:37:25.33
Mike
Yeah. And it was just like, yeah, you know, was, I generally don't comment, um, after the lead. Cause you know, I'm ready to go fucking go home.

00:37:34.74
Bill
Right.

00:37:34.81
Mike
And I don't want to prolong meeting, but I did. I commented on that. I said, you know, yeah, that's thank you for the reminder of, when we're out in the world and we you know, we have to be examples all the time because we never know.

00:37:48.70
Mike
You know, you're going into Subway to get a fucking sandwich and that person behind the counter you might run into in six months or a year whatever in a fucking church basement.

00:37:59.71
Mike
Yeah. And they're going to remember you. And they're going remember if you're a miserable piece of shit or you're happy, joyous, and free. And hopefully I'm the latter. Mm-hmm.

00:38:10.62
Bill
Yeah, you know, and and just, I mean, sometimes just not being not being a dick. I mean, we don't have to, you know, get out there and you know, visually spread joy everywhere.

00:38:16.95
Mike
Right. Uh-huh.

00:38:19.51
Bill
But, I mean, just, so just you know, being a normal, normal everyday human being and, you know, again, decent to people in these short interactions, if nothing else.

00:38:23.58
Mike
Yep.

00:38:26.30
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:38:26.68
Bill
But, yeah, just made me think about that that example thing. Especially, mean, God, when we first got sober and, you know, just anywhere in Cleveland, I mean, not that I was doing anything wrong, thankfully, at the time.

00:38:35.19
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:38:38.26
Bill
You know, but anywhere you go, you run it into these fucking people. You know, i mean, all all over the goddamn place. It happened to me in Madison quite a bit, too, when I lived there, you know, in the grocery store and in whatever, wherever I would be.

00:38:44.21
Mike
Right. oh

00:38:49.17
Mike
Right.

00:38:49.97
Bill
I'd run into people for meetings all the time. You know, but Cleveland was was I mean, really, it's like you all it felt you really felt like you always had eyeballs on you.

00:38:52.89
Mike
it Right.

00:38:58.20
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:38:58.62
Bill
Not that it made me act different, because thankfully, I think I was acting right at the time.

00:39:02.82
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:39:03.30
Bill
you know, but, and I don't necessarily think about it on a daily basis with the exception of, like you just said, you know, if, if somebody is trying to be a dick, you know, like it's really hard.

00:39:03.42
Mike
Right.

00:39:13.12
Bill
I mean, i ah I do a lot of phone work, you know, and you get people on the phone that are just, I want to sometimes say, you know what you, you need to go fuck yourself, you know?

00:39:15.22
Mike
Right.

00:39:22.42
Bill
And if I ever get to the point where I want to get fired, I'll say that, you know, but I don't really want to, I don't want to ever be that guy, even in that circumstance, it'd be fun.

00:39:25.72
Mike
sure

00:39:29.88
Mike
right

00:39:31.22
Bill
I'd like to do it, but

00:39:31.45
Mike
m Yeah, it'll feel good for a second, but then what?

00:39:33.34
Bill
Yeah, it'll be fun for a minute. Then I'd be like, yeah, I'm like, God, God damn it.

00:39:37.34
Mike
he

00:39:39.83
Bill
And it's like, who who knows? Because, because here's the thing. and How do I, how do I know that I don't need a job in the industry, you know, in a couple of years, you know, or whatever.

00:39:45.30
Mike
h Right.

00:39:47.03
Bill
I hope I don't, but what if I do, you know?

00:39:47.29
Mike
Right. Right.

00:39:49.98
Bill
um But yeah, I mean, just, ah oh, there's a, this is funny. It just made me think of it too, speaking of work. There's this, one of the, one of the representatives in one of the groups, and we had this, we like this group chat back and forth.

00:40:03.00
Bill
And this guy, he'll ask, and it's an it's a group chat with a number of people within a certain level. So it's not just not just our boss, not just him. You know, it's a all the other reps in there.

00:40:12.71
Mike
Right.

00:40:14.29
Bill
So 10 people, whatever it is, maybe seven or eight, probably 10.

00:40:15.93
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:40:18.17
Bill
And he'll he'll throw a question out there and be like, so when this happens, he'll be like um like, our manager's name is Chris. So he'll say, Chris, when this happens, do I do this or do I then do that?

00:40:29.58
Bill
Whatever the question is. And then somebody else will pop up, usually this this person by the name of Barb.

00:40:30.78
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:40:34.50
Bill
And don't get me wrong, Barb can be annoying as fuck.

00:40:39.06
Mike
Right.

00:40:39.58
Bill
Okay, but she's been around for a while. She's a lead.

00:40:41.05
Mike
Right.

00:40:41.38
Bill
She helps out the level ones, all this different stuff. She's a good shit. she she has She has nothing but positive intentions, okay? But she'll say something that he'll type back and he'll say, um you know, i I'm waiting for an answer from Chris or Chris only or whatever.

00:40:56.85
Mike
Right.

00:40:57.18
Bill
i'm like I'm like, dude, you're a fucking...

00:40:57.83
Mike
Yeah.

00:40:59.18
Bill
Dick, you know, and she gave you the right answer, but he's, he's like, he's like, no, you need to be quiet.

00:40:59.99
Mike
Right. Yeah. Right.

00:41:05.28
Bill
And, and whatever. And there one time, and this was a couple of months ago, back and forth, whatever. And, uh, he's like, he's like, can you stop doing this? Can you stop pop? Whatever the thing is. And it Chris popped in and he said, he goes, listen, he goes, this is a group chat.

00:41:18.81
Bill
He goes, everyone's voice is welcomed this, that, the other thing, blah, blah, blah. Shut his fucking ass down. It was so fucking wonderful.

00:41:23.93
Mike
Yeah.

00:41:25.53
Bill
I'm sitting there going, but Like however old you are 47 or 57.

00:41:27.22
Mike
Right.

00:41:30.49
Bill
Like he's got your fucking ass handed to you. Fuckhead. and I mean, there's.

00:41:34.71
Mike
Yeah. It's what you get for being fucking closed minded and not open to.

00:41:37.34
Bill
Yeah.

00:41:38.62
Mike
Yeah. Right. Good advice is good advice. i don't give a fuck where it's coming from. You know?

00:41:43.18
Bill
Right.

00:41:43.50
Mike
Yeah. You know, I mean, right. This atheist, you know, occasionally we'll take something from the Bible and go, yeah, that makes sense.

00:41:48.47
Bill
Right. Yeah, it's it's yeah, it it is.

00:41:51.77
Mike
Yeah.

00:41:53.87
Bill
It's that's the thing. And I just I I don't like he just he's it's it's narcissistic. I mean, he's he's putting her in a bad place.

00:42:01.89
Mike
Hmm.

00:42:03.29
Bill
You know what I mean?

00:42:03.73
Mike
Sure.

00:42:04.09
Bill
And she's sweet as fuck, too. She don't get me wrong. Again, she could be fucking annoying, you know.

00:42:07.24
Mike
you're right. Right, right, right.

00:42:09.24
Bill
But she's real. I would never, ever do anything like that. I don't want to hurt her feelings. But in my head, I'm like, sometimes, you know, because she she helped me in like training things to begin with when I first started and very elementary things every once in a while bob bother the fuck out of me.

00:42:13.24
Mike
Sure.

00:42:18.65
Mike
Right.

00:42:22.52
Bill
But I would never say it to her.

00:42:24.05
Mike
Right.

00:42:24.21
Bill
But I'm out there to hurt her fucking feelings, you know.

00:42:26.07
Mike
Right. Yeah. Yeah. Why? Yeah. She's exactly trying to be helpful, even if it's annoying, you know, the intent behind it. And yeah, exactly. Right. Take what you want and leave the rest.

00:42:37.56
Bill
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So, okay. From, from God grant me in, I don't remember if this was the exact saying, or if it was just talking about it, but in, in quotes, and maybe it is, cause I put it in quotes.

00:42:41.98
Mike
Hmm.

00:42:49.04
Bill
What does it mean to love oneself?

00:42:51.85
Mike
Hmm.

00:42:52.44
Bill
So what, yeah.

00:42:53.65
Mike
Hmm.

00:42:55.42
Bill
Again, i never I never know if this that that means said that's oh that's a thinking question or why the are you talking about this?

00:43:00.57
Mike
a

00:43:01.22
Bill
But let mean yeah let me repeat myself. God grant me, from God grant me, what does it mean to love oneself?

00:43:05.61
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:43:07.62
Bill
Mike?

00:43:10.30
Mike
I mean, yes, it means it means that you want the best for yourself, not not the narcissistic shit, not the not that I'm trying to feel good, but what is actually the best for me?

00:43:12.38
Bill
yeah

00:43:25.59
Mike
um That's what it means to me today. you know, im not, not feel good, not, you know, the easy way, not any of that shit.

00:43:28.51
Bill
Right.

00:43:34.34
Mike
What is actually the best for me? And, um, sometimes that's difficult, you know, especially for us, it's, it can be difficult to do what's actually best for us because sometimes that is the harder way. Sometimes that is the, you know, it's, it's, it doesn't feel all that good. it is, you know, it's tough medicine, tough love, all that good stuff. Um,

00:43:57.91
Mike
Yeah. But, you know, what does it mean to love myself? It means no matter what, no matter what I have to do, no matter what the circumstances, um what is actually best for me, even if I don't fucking like it. And yeah, you know, um that's kind of how I'm doing things these days, which is nice.

00:44:20.38
Bill
Do you, ah and just as a ah side thought, have this written down, but do you consider that along the same lines or do you feel the same way about um like forgiveness, like forgiving ourselves for for whatever? Do you think think about that the same way?

00:44:32.89
Mike
Oh, yeah, absolutely. You know, yes. um You know, um yeah, that could be a little tough. You know, the forgiveness. Yes. You know, when we were active addiction and all that stuff, we have to forgive ourselves.

00:44:44.79
Bill
Right.

00:44:46.14
Mike
um You know, today um I don't have that excuse. So if I do something truly rotten, no, I'm not going to forgive myself for doing that. um I'm going to not do it again. And I'm figure out a way not to be that way, um which again is sometimes not the easiest and not the smoothest path to take, but is what is best for me not to be that asshole anymore. so yeah, again, it all comes back to actually loving myself, not not you know convincing myself that making myself feel good is is making you know is is loving myself because it's not.

00:45:26.65
Bill
Yeah. Yeah. That's a good point. and The forgiveness thing. And I, I remember here and of course, early on, and I, and I agree with this statement, you know, you gotta, you gotta get to the point of forgiveness with yourself before you can forgive others.

00:45:36.05
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:45:36.90
Bill
You know, that's that, you know, we, we've got to, we've got to be well or get well before we can, you know, start, start, you know, that's why there's 12 steps of the order that they're, that they're written, you know, and you can't be out there fucking make it amends that, you know, 30 days when you haven't done shit, you know, i mean, you can, but I, I don't, I don't recommend it.

00:45:37.59
Mike
Right.

00:45:46.71
Mike
Uh-huh. Right.

00:45:52.23
Mike
don't know. Right. well

00:45:55.93
Bill
You, you physically can go out and do it.

00:45:56.22
Mike
Right.

00:45:57.53
Bill
I just don't, I don't, I don't think it's going to go well.

00:46:00.38
Mike
Right.

00:46:01.91
Bill
um But yeah, so, and I, I just, I really wasn't sure about the, I like the way you said that about loving, loving oneself, because that's a good way to put it. I, I really wasn't sure how to put that, um put that into words or put that in.

00:46:14.77
Bill
I mean, I, I know what it means sort of, but I didn't know how really how to put it in words.

00:46:16.53
Mike
Right.

00:46:18.21
Bill
So I'm glad you did, but um Yeah, I mean, that that is that could be a motherfucker, though. I mean, doing what's best for us, you know, and I'm thinking, yeah, it's that's tough.

00:46:24.12
Mike
aha

00:46:27.22
Bill
I mean, I think i think early on and and today and, you know, fucking any goddamn day of the

00:46:33.88
Mike
right

00:46:35.00
Bill
you know In the the forgiveness part, too, like you said, if you if if we do something rotten today, i mean we've got the ability, thankfully, you know hopefully to catch it right away, do the 10-step if it was against somebody else, even if it wasn't.

00:46:43.46
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:46:47.20
Mike
Right.

00:46:48.28
Bill
i mean if If I do something you know that I don't feel, either I act a fool or do whatever it is and there's nobody else around or um I'm acting you know, whatever it is, bad behavior, nothing, nothing tragic, but you know, um, I mean, I have a, i have a little talk with myself like, what the fuck, man?

00:46:48.50
Mike
Yeah.

00:46:54.00
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:46:56.98
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

00:47:02.42
Mike
Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Uh-huh.

00:47:05.08
Bill
You know, it's like, it's like, well, yeah, you're okay. that The clock just changed. I'm tired. I'm dragging ass, whatever the case is, or I got a lot of shit going on and whatever.

00:47:10.40
Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

00:47:13.95
Bill
And Hey, nobody else was around.

00:47:14.30
Mike
Right?

00:47:15.91
Bill
So I didn't hurt anyone. You know, that's usually my first thing.

00:47:17.22
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:47:18.31
Bill
I'm like, ah, fuck you. You can't still can't do it. Right.

00:47:20.82
Mike
Right. Yeah. Right. Because, you know, in the long run, it comes back to loving yourself. You're hurting yourself.

00:47:24.89
Bill
Right.

00:47:25.46
Mike
And if you truly love yourself, you can't fucking hurt yourself anymore, no matter what it is.

00:47:31.07
Bill
Right.

00:47:31.42
Mike
Yeah. Emotionally, spiritually, physically, whatever. Yeah. It's it's not a good thing.

00:47:37.43
Bill
Right. Yeah, I agree. I agree. All right. So um and I think that, yeah, that turned out to be, i think, a decent question, even though you got, I got the, when I did it, but so what what do you think?

00:47:47.67
Mike
a

00:47:50.58
Bill
you You think it's about time we take ah take a, take little break here?

00:47:51.10
Mike
listen You know what? I think it's time we take a little break. We will be back after these words from our sponsors.

00:48:09.05
Bill
All right, everyone. Welcome back. So um I want to dip into the obviously the politician thing. I don't know how about that.

00:48:15.93
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:48:16.53
Bill
I never I never know how long that shit's going to take. But um how do you feel?

00:48:18.90
Mike
isn

00:48:20.54
Bill
do you want should we read Heather's thing into the record real quick?

00:48:23.26
Mike
I mean, we can do, um, where would I find that if I have to read some of it?

00:48:29.23
Bill
I, I have it.

00:48:30.48
Mike
Yeah.

00:48:30.60
Bill
I have it in email and I can forward that to you. I did. I put it in an email cause it was in, uh, where did she send this to his Facebook, Facebook shit. Right. And I'm like, I can't.

00:48:40.54
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. It was like messenger. Wasn't it?

00:48:42.71
Bill
Yeah. Do you want it to your Gmail or.

00:48:43.26
Mike
Is it, is it still? Well, I don't know. Is it still in messenger? can put,

00:48:48.06
Bill
Yeah, but I've got it. I've got it typed out. It's, it's in a nice email now. It's a little bit easier to probably read out of here.

00:48:53.21
Mike
Okay.

00:48:53.46
Bill
Is it, do you want it? Oh yeah. Well, you have to do Gmail cause that's where you are.

00:48:57.50
Mike
Well, I mean, I have my phone right here, too, so I could, yeah, throw it down in the hotmail.

00:48:57.69
Bill
Um,

00:49:00.73
Bill
What do you want? Your Hotmail or your Gmail?

00:49:04.31
Bill
Okay. Mike at Hotmail.

00:49:07.10
Mike
a ah Hey, mike it mike Mike is old, and he still has

00:49:08.25
Bill
Mike is a Hotmail. Look at that guy. hey Hey there, Hotmail.

00:49:15.77
Bill
You know what?

00:49:16.54
Mike
And I was thinking, i i' right, I was thinking about the other day, it's it's, you know, it's been my main email address for like 25 years, probably, maybe, I don't know, yeah, well, fuck, 2000, probably maybe late 90s, it might be older than that.

00:49:17.09
Bill
There's nothing.

00:49:26.46
Bill
Really?

00:49:30.36
Bill
yeah

00:49:33.98
Mike
Yeah, but, you know, it's just it's been my fucking email address forever.

00:49:34.20
Bill
Right.

00:49:38.27
Mike
Yes, I have a Gmail that I never use except for this. um You know, I've actually got an alternate Hotmail, too, that I did a long time ago, um you know, in case I get locked out of the one, you know, I can get back into it.

00:49:42.32
Bill
Right.

00:49:51.71
Mike
But other than that, yeah. um Hey, look at that.

00:49:56.79
Bill
Yeah, and I set up the the email address that I have, which is, again, my just my first initial and last name. I set that up when um when I first started looking for work.

00:50:02.05
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:50:06.25
Bill
So, I mean, I've had it coming up on 16 years now. you know So, I mean, that's because I had another one that I couldn't get into that I had that I set up for that that business that I was doing years ago.

00:50:09.82
Mike
Right.

00:50:17.30
Bill
Yeah. Yeah, so anyhow, so again, it's it's basically four paragraphs. One is the the third paragraph is the larger one. um And it's it's up to you if we want to.

00:50:25.08
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:50:27.67
Bill
um I just wanted to read this for Heather. And just again, as a recap for everyone, the reason we're going to do this. And she she approached us and asked us if well she was actually good.

00:50:34.71
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:50:36.15
Bill
She, she yeah, it's just, how yeah, she offered to pay us to to to advertise.

00:50:36.70
Mike
Right. She wanted to throw some money our way. Uh-huh. To advertise.

00:50:44.59
Bill
Yeah.

00:50:44.65
Mike
Right. I know.

00:50:46.14
Bill
and And we're like, you know what, first of all, we're not going to take your money. And second of all, we're not gonna we're not going to take your money.

00:50:49.27
Mike
Right. Right.

00:50:51.42
Bill
You know, I said, if you want us we told her, like, if you want us to record it, we'd do this.

00:50:51.85
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:50:55.46
Bill
If you want us to just read it, whatever you want us to do. But I said, you know, we're on top of that. We're like, hey, come on also, you know, tell your story.

00:51:00.79
Mike
Right.

00:51:02.00
Bill
And then, so she's going to do that.

00:51:02.66
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:51:03.36
Bill
But we just said, we'll start reading this. But she got into this whole travel thing. And her point is, is that she wants to, I don't know how old Heather is younger than us, clearly. Yeah. But she wants to do in a certain number of years, be done with her job, have her house paid off, do this and that, and then do this, you know, kind of build this business, this travel business of hers um over this timeframe and have that be her, you know, her, her way of of doing it, you know, actually be her, you know, her way of, you know, making making a living, you know, so we're like, fuck, man.

00:51:18.81
Mike
Right.

00:51:21.14
Mike
he

00:51:27.16
Mike
Right.

00:51:30.39
Mike
Yeah.

00:51:31.60
Bill
I mean, just, just, yeah. Write something up and let's we'll read it for you. So that's that's the reason we want to do this.

00:51:35.70
Mike
Yeah.

00:51:37.52
Bill
So um do you want to do you want to read first paragraph, second paragraph, or how do you what order do you want to do it in? we'll just read it through real quick.

00:51:44.22
Mike
ah i have to You know, whatever, man. um Well, you said the third one's the longest one. If we're alternating, um you take the first one.

00:51:51.85
Bill
Right.

00:51:53.29
Mike
I'll take the second. You take the third. I'll take the fourth. 52. Oh. Ahem.

00:51:56.50
Bill
Okay.

00:51:56.50
Mike
Ahem.

00:51:56.82
Bill
And then just in case this actually sounds good, give me one second.

00:51:56.92
Mike
Ahem.

00:52:01.18
Bill
Where's our...

00:52:02.90
Mike
fifty two oh

00:52:07.94
Bill
I'm just going to put that on in the background in case what we do actually sounds good where I can cut it up for.

00:52:14.23
Mike
ah Uh-huh.

00:52:15.89
Bill
might as well be this. See, ladies and gentlemen, but this is what an award-nominated podcast does. We try to be prepared.

00:52:20.59
Mike
That's right.

00:52:22.68
Bill
Okay, we ready?

00:52:23.22
Mike
Sure. Sure.

00:52:24.66
Bill
right Listen, we all know that early sobriety can feel like you're carrying a 50-pound suitcase of what-ifs. What if I can't have fun anymore? What if I can't travel again?

00:52:35.54
Mike
Our friend over at Wandering Weightlessly is proof that life actually gets lighter after the bottle. She's a sober, single mom by choice and a certified accessible travel pro.

00:52:49.67
Mike
She's out here showing us that you don't need a drink to see the world. You just need a plan.

00:52:55.99
Bill
If you're ready to trade the weight of your past for a carry-on, head over to wanderingweightlessly.com to book. Or you can visit Suitcases and Sobriety on Facebook or Sober Travel Collective, or I'm sorry, A Sober Collective, Travel Collective.

00:53:09.56
Mike
Hee hee hee.

00:53:12.16
Bill
and home for every kind of sober traveler. Whether you're just a sober curious or you have decades of recovery under your belt, it's the ultimate ah destination for tips, community, and travel info that proves life is better when you're fully present for it.

00:53:26.94
Mike
Mention sober, not mature, and they'll waive the planning plea.

00:53:30.84
Bill
ah

00:53:32.46
Mike
The planning fee. They will waive that if you mention us. i don't know why you'd mention us, but if you mention us, you'll waive the fee. And that's $100 value.

00:53:47.45
Bill
Yes.

00:53:48.47
Mike
yeah yeah

00:53:49.11
Bill
So I think it was funny that.

00:53:49.94
Mike
So clearly that's not the good one, but we have got it on record.

00:53:52.38
Bill
Yeah.

00:53:53.62
Mike
And yes, absolutely. Wanderingweightlessly.com. If you're thinking about taking a trip and you're sober, sober curious, all that good happy crap, go check them out.

00:54:05.08
Mike
They will get you set up and send you on the trip of a lifetime.

00:54:09.98
Bill
Yes, and I will, it's already going to be there while you're listening this. I will add Heather's website into our, um into the, what do you want to call it? The description. Yeah, yeah, that thing.

00:54:20.15
Mike
Yeah, that thing.

00:54:21.38
Bill
And I don't have her Instagram or anything like that, but when when we have her on, we'll do more promos for her. But um I just, what what I thought was funny, she was laughing at me because I fucked up.

00:54:28.15
Mike
Absolutely.

00:54:33.23
Bill
And then this, the last thing, this last little sentence, and you fucked it all up.

00:54:33.38
Mike
I did. Yep, exactly.

00:54:36.83
Bill
And I'm like, Yeah, there you go, universe.

00:54:36.89
Mike
i did

00:54:39.85
Mike
yep exactly

00:54:41.62
Bill
ah But anyhow, so once again, it's ah we we are all about and you know what? I mean, quite honestly, if that if we have listeners that have a little thing like that going on, I mean, you know, here's here's the deal.

00:54:52.06
Mike
Right.

00:54:53.42
Bill
You know, we we want to ultimately and we've been very upfront about this. We want to get advertisers. We want to. That's where we want. If we're ever going to make any money doing this, that's what we want to do.

00:55:02.35
Mike
Yeah.

00:55:03.61
Bill
But we don't want to get money. We're not. We're not looking to to get money and gain, you know, obviously these funds from our listeners.

00:55:08.98
Mike
yeah right

00:55:11.54
Bill
If somebody's got something, if you want us to a one-time read on whatever whatever you got going on, um seriously, email us. It doesn't doesn't take more than 30 seconds to read it in here. I could throw it into the description or we could throw it up on Instagram.

00:55:23.46
Bill
Whatever you want us to do, it's it's perfectly fine. We have no issue whatsoever. This whole thing has turned into a wonderful way for us to Not only ah meet people, hear wonderful stories, hear great stories from really interesting people, but also listen to you know a bunch of fuck-ups like us that got their shit together and are doing really fun and cool things.

00:55:34.45
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:55:37.45
Mike
Right.

00:55:42.33
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:55:45.17
Bill
you know So if you were once a fuck-up and you're now doing cool and interesting things, email us.

00:55:45.50
Mike
Right. Exactly. he Right.

00:55:52.37
Bill
Yeah.

00:55:52.50
Mike
Exactly. If we can help you make a little money, very, very cool. And if you want to throw a little back at us, that's cool too. Right.

00:56:01.27
Bill
yeah Yeah, exactly. or Or, you know what? just Just fucking vote. Vote and pass it along.

00:56:05.53
Mike
Right.

00:56:06.23
Bill
You know, pay it forward.

00:56:06.52
Mike
Right.

00:56:07.31
Bill
Do whatever the fuck you got to do. i don't I don't know.

00:56:09.43
Mike
Where would they vote for us again?

00:56:09.59
Bill
That's what Heather They would vote for us. ah They could easiest place is sobernotmature.com. Go to our sponsor page. That's number one. You can go to our Instagram page at the top of our profile. There will be a link directly to the Sands Bar Voting website. Or you can go thethe.com.

00:56:28.08
Bill
S A N S bar.com. The sans bar.com right on there. You'll see the, uh, the finalists and the nominated nominated folks got to go through and, uh, pick, pick one from each category, but, uh, it's well worth it.

00:56:37.18
Mike
if

00:56:41.60
Bill
They're all, again, they're all, they're all sober people out doing shit like we're doing. So, you know, support, support your fellows.

00:56:45.35
Mike
Yep.

00:56:47.83
Mike
Absolutely.

00:56:49.11
Bill
All right. So cool. Um, all right. So yeah you want to talk a little bit about a politician. This, this has a, this has a recovery thing to it.

00:56:55.19
Mike
Sure. right.

00:56:57.22
Bill
Okay. So this individual has been sober for 43 years. Okay.

00:57:03.13
Mike
Okay.

00:57:04.28
Bill
And it, I mean, I know, you know, the guy RFK junior.

00:57:08.18
Mike
Ah, yes. Captain Brain Worm.

00:57:09.08
Bill
Okay. I don't know what that means, but do tell.

00:57:13.59
Mike
Well, he had a brain worm.

00:57:16.98
Bill
Did he really?

00:57:17.69
Mike
Yeah, he had a parasite in his fucking brain for a while.

00:57:21.69
Bill
Did he really? Okay.

00:57:22.80
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:57:23.48
Bill
I, you know what? I didn't know that. Cause the first thing I was going to say is that, um and here's the thing. And i I, his, you've heard him talk, right?

00:57:31.99
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

00:57:32.79
Bill
Okay. So he sounds like, I mean, Catherine Hepburn after she has, you know, with a, with a cold and four packs of cigarettes into a, into a really rough day. Okay.

00:57:42.21
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:57:42.57
Bill
um And I, as soon as he started talking, he was on, he was Joe Rogan had him on.

00:57:46.85
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:57:47.26
Bill
And, um you know, so I listened to the whole thing over a period of a couple days, whatever, two, two and a half hours of of him. um And when he first started talking, I'm like, like, what the fuck is wrong with him?

00:57:53.57
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:57:58.11
Bill
So I.

00:57:58.17
Mike
Right. Well, he's got a condition. some Yeah. I think it's neurological that affects his vocal cords.

00:58:03.99
Bill
Yeah, what whatever the deal is, that he got diagnosed with whatever the thing is back in 96.

00:58:08.13
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:58:08.75
Bill
Makes you sound like you're you're raspy and a little nervous. um Worse when you start, it got a little bit better.

00:58:11.81
Mike
Right.

00:58:13.55
Bill
It it doesn't go away, you know.

00:58:15.16
Mike
Right.

00:58:15.40
Bill
But i two things. It got it gets better as as the more that, you know, the individual, if you had this thing, the more you talk. So it got better going through.

00:58:21.64
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:58:23.04
Bill
But also, I think I got used to it, you know. But um to begin with, I was just kind of shocked.

00:58:25.90
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:58:27.52
Bill
I'm like, I i don't think I've ever heard the fucker talk before, okay? Yeah. So, um and I, he said this, you know, throughout this thing, because they were talking about, again, you know, these certain companies out there with certain medications, and because they got into that whole discussion, too, about medications.

00:58:42.02
Bill
And because he is the, um it's health um health not Health and Human Services, I think, is his yeah director or, so

00:58:42.28
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:58:47.80
Mike
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's cabinet department. Yeah, he's a secretary. Yeah, he's cabinet member.

00:58:52.73
Bill
Yeah, Secretary of. Okay. So two things. Well, ah two things to begin with. Obviously, the voice I wanted to mention, but apparently when he was first approached for that, he said no. And the reason behind that is that he wanted to be like some sort of, he wanted to actually be like drug czar or something like that in the White House, blah, blah, blah.

00:59:09.82
Bill
I guess more of whatever. And then the more he thought about it, and I thought this was interesting. I thought this, and this is before I remembered that he was sober, but I thought this was kind of unselfish on his part. um You know, figuring he's like, he's like, OK, wait a second.

00:59:19.65
Mike
Yeah.

00:59:22.62
Bill
Where can I do the most good? You know, where can I affect the most change?

00:59:24.89
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:59:26.90
Bill
And apparently this whole health and human services department, it's the largest you know department out there, this and that, largest staff, where he might be able to make the largest impact. And, you know, he figures that regardless of what happens, he doesn't think he'll he'll outlive this generation.

00:59:36.86
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:59:42.19
Bill
this administration, he's like, regardless who comes in here, he goes, I'm probably out after one term. He goes, i don't care. He goes, I'm trying to do the, you know, whatever good I can do in this timeframe type of thing. So kind of a great mentality behind it to begin with.

00:59:53.83
Bill
um So the the thing that is, and what, what caught my eye was he was talking about healthcare. care He was talking about food. He was talking about snap benefits. Did you hear the whole thing in the news about the whole Dunkin' Donuts thing?

01:00:08.70
Mike
No. All

01:00:09.30
Bill
Okay, that's the last thing on my list anyhow. And he didn't say it on Rogan. I thought he did, but um he was at some rally afterwards. But so the the first thing he said, he said that when they were talking about health care, he said it's more profitable to keep people sick.

01:00:23.19
Bill
I think that we kind of kind of know that know that mindset.

01:00:24.21
Mike
right.

01:00:26.79
Bill
But um so Lords of London is the big insurer of big ships and planes and all that stuff.

01:00:26.94
Mike
All right.

01:00:33.01
Bill
Is that Lords of London?

01:00:33.23
Mike
Lloyd's.

01:00:34.12
Bill
Lloyds of London. I'm sorry. I wrote, I'm like, i did I wrote down Lords. I didn't think that. That's then I'm i'm looking. I'm like, that doesn't sound right. I'm sorry. Lloyds of London. So he said, he goes, what's better for them? And I thought this was interesting. He goes, if one ship sinks per year or if a thousand ships sink in a year. So that, that question to you, what, what's better for them?

01:00:52.09
Mike
i I don't know.

01:00:54.42
Bill
he He actually said if, if a thousand ships sink, because then basically everyone sees the tragedy. So everyone's going to want to be insured and they're going to make more money off the, the other, you know, people want to be insured and they could actually, in most cases probably charge more.

01:01:05.88
Mike
Right.

01:01:07.94
Bill
He said the healthcare system's the same.

01:01:08.40
Mike
Hmm.

01:01:09.94
Bill
And i mean, again, I've been around the healthcare system off and on for years. So nothing that I didn't, ah didn't, i I don't want say even know nothing that I wasn't kind of aware of and see and that sort of thing, but he's put it into different, different words.

01:01:22.22
Bill
Yeah.

01:01:22.48
Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

01:01:23.10
Bill
Now, he also said that he said right now, because he started talking about food, he goes military food. and I thought this was interesting because I'm listening to this after we had um Ryan on last week.

01:01:34.46
Bill
But he said military food apparently is so bad that a large percentage, I can't remember the percentage, he said, of the troops won't even eat it. He said they spend their own money and they'll spend it on fast food rather than eating what the military provides because it's fucking garbage. And I'm like, really? Yeah.

01:01:52.18
Bill
you know And then here's the other thing that they um apparently he commissioned a ah chef um that they're that they're trying to get into different military bases to change up how they prepare the food. So these military men aren't men and women aren't having to spend their own money, you know, obviously to to eat and can eat healthy. They're buying all fast, you know, fucking junk fast food.

01:02:10.46
Bill
So um apparently the military is spending $18 a day, you know, per individual on food in this chef that can prepare like real food, kind of good for you food type of thing could do it for $10 a day.

01:02:16.45
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:02:22.95
Mike
Yeah.

01:02:23.13
Bill
And, and then, so he's like, he goes, we don't even have to, he goes, we'd have to ask for more money. he goes, we're actually able to get money back if we can get all this stuff implemented. And I'm like, nobody, i didn't nobody talk about this before, you know, um just again, these little things got to blow on my mind.

01:02:39.54
Bill
And then, um so you know what snap food benefits are, correct? Okay. So for anyone else who doesn't know, it's kind of it's food stamps, it's, you know, food assistance and all that stuff, blah, blah, blah. So they're trying to get states to sign basically agreements or waivers to remove candy and soda from the benefit list.

01:02:57.10
Bill
OK, so first of all, I guess I'll stop there.

01:02:57.19
Mike
Right?

01:02:59.96
Bill
Do you have an opinion on that about whether candy or soda should be on a on a benefits list?

01:03:05.88
Mike
Well, of course they shouldn't be.

01:03:09.21
Bill
Right. I didn't even know they were, you know, I would have thought that they, I would have thought that they weren't, but apparently they, they are in, in many, many States, you know, and apparently he's had in all this stuff and I'll get to, you know, some of the bipartisan shit coming up or the partisan shit, I guess is a better thing at coming up.

01:03:14.30
Mike
Yeah.

01:03:17.25
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:03:26.34
Bill
But um he said that in also trying to get retailers. So if there's a retailer that that has um or that offers those benefits or has the ability, they're given the ability ah obviously to offer those benefits.

01:03:39.34
Bill
So basically saying that they're they're telling these stores they're going to try to try to change things and said that they need to increase the amount of good items that they have in their stores if they're going to continue to get benefits.

01:03:39.73
Mike
Right.

01:03:53.75
Bill
So whatever, whatever the good food is, they're going to say, okay, you've got to, you know, increase your, you know, your healthy food items by, and it doesn't have to be expensive shit. He's just talking about meats and vegetables and things like that, you know, food, food, not processed food and blah, blah, blah.

01:04:06.55
Mike
right

01:04:07.10
Bill
um And apparently getting, getting pushback from stores out of that, which blew my mind. And then here's the other thing when it comes to farmers and stuff like that, he said nothing, to nothing but great things to say about farmers, the backbone of the food industry and blah, blah, blah, bla blah. That's that.

01:04:21.78
Bill
But here's what I didn't know. And let's see if this if you if you knew this. Ninety seven percent of the production of a particular pesticide. Don't remember the name that's used in food production. You know, obviously to keep bugs off and blah, blah, blah, whatever um is comes from China. OK, so ninety seven percent of this pesticide comes from China.

01:04:39.70
Bill
So he's saying basically if that pesticide was taken away immediately, it would cripple our food production as a country. Meaning meaning that China has control over our food source or a food production.

01:04:45.31
Mike
Right. Right.

01:04:49.74
Bill
And I'm like, what? But again, all these things, I'm like, two things. How did I not fucking know this? And why repeat why didn't anyone look at this shit before, you know? um So here's the thing.

01:05:00.64
Bill
So up up until this point now, he's talking about a bunch of other things, too. And here's the funny part. So um I think that, well, he he comes from if anyone doesn't know i'm not I'm not huge on politics.

01:05:10.88
Bill
I think we've made it really clear on here. We we try not to talk about it. and I'm not ah you. Mike, you probably know far more about the political scene than I do. I just think that you know more about a lot of this shit than I do.

01:05:18.06
Mike
Hmm.

01:05:20.56
Bill
But what I do know is that the Kennedys as a family were Democrats for years.

01:05:20.86
Mike
Well.

01:05:25.13
Bill
Right.

01:05:25.24
Mike
Right.

01:05:25.49
Bill
And I'm sure including him.

01:05:25.80
Mike
Yeah.

01:05:27.13
Bill
Correct.

01:05:27.45
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

01:05:28.15
Bill
Okay. And he, I don't remember. I remember knowing that he flipped, you know, flip jumped across the aisle type of thing. I don't remember when do you,

01:05:36.76
Mike
Um, I mean, shit. Um, I believe... he When we had the last presidential election, he was running as a Democrat, if I recall correctly.

01:05:50.73
Bill
And that I didn't, I didn't remember. I i remember that he ran. Cause that's when, that's when you and I had that brief conversation that you're like, you know, he's the only one that you might take a look at.

01:05:55.86
Mike
Right.

01:05:58.06
Bill
I'm like, yeah, I thought the same thing.

01:05:59.29
Mike
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because he's a fucking nut job, so i was going to throw my vote.

01:05:59.50
Bill
um i was going to,

01:06:02.61
Mike
And then he went independent because he didn't get the Democratic nomination.

01:06:03.10
Bill
yeah yeah

01:06:06.05
Mike
And then... Yeah, right. You know, yeah, yeah. But yeah, fairly recently. And I mean, you know, I don't even know if he's officially a Republican or not. And it doesn't fucking matter. Look, um yeah, ah RFK Jr.

01:06:18.89
Mike
is clearly a nut job. um And he says a lot of really cool stuff. He does. He um points some stuff out. Yeah, but he's he's fucking nuts, man, like all the rest of them.

01:06:30.89
Mike
Um, know, he happens to say some stuff that's, that, that does make sense, which is rare in the political circus as it were. um

01:06:40.95
Bill
Right.

01:06:41.40
Mike
yeah, you know, so yeah, you know, he's interesting. And like I said, had he been a viable candidate for president, he probably would have gotten my vote. Cause you know, I generally throw my vote away on nut jobs.

01:06:53.64
Bill
Right.

01:06:53.68
Mike
Um, that's, that's my, uh, that's my track record when it comes to politicians. You know, I take the craziest one I can find that that's actually on the ballot and vote for them.

01:06:59.61
Bill
right

01:07:05.08
Bill
Right. Well, in you know, the thing of it is, and and I don't think that, um I mean, I'm not, I'm not ready to, you know, I mean, ah be a follower of, of you know, JFK Jr., you know, but but my thought pattern is I think every fucking politician's a nut job.

01:07:17.83
Bill
I think every politician is is crooked and crazy and and all those different things.

01:07:18.26
Mike
Yeah. Wow.

01:07:21.71
Bill
But even if you take if you take a guy that's fucking crazy, but he gets some positive shit done, which if he can get some of these things done, which they're already getting some of these things done, um you know, as a crazy thing, there's nothing that he said on there that was fucking crazy.

01:07:30.26
Mike
Yeah.

01:07:35.68
Bill
You know, he was talking about all things that actually have ah have a benefit towards, you know, I think towards the human race.

01:07:40.06
Mike
Right.

01:07:41.78
Bill
And he's talking about food. You know, he's talking about people people eating and getting healthier and all those sort of things.

01:07:43.35
Mike
he Right.

01:07:47.66
Bill
And I'm like, even if you're a fucking nut job, if that's what you if that's what you want to do, and you you you can facilitate that.

01:07:51.09
Mike
Yeah.

01:07:54.10
Bill
Go be fucking crazy on the corner. It doesn't matter to me, you know.

01:07:56.70
Mike
Right.

01:07:57.06
Bill
um Okay, but Here's the interesting thing. And this is, this is a, did you hear about the whole, um, there was a study recently about, well, i mean, we, we've talked about, I'm not supposed to take ibuprofen or leave or anything like that.

01:08:09.36
Mike
Right.

01:08:09.65
Bill
Cause it's, you know, obviously not, not good for heart stuff. So if I take anything, I need to take acetaminophen, which is Tylenol, blah, blah, blah. But apparently there was a study recently that just like anything else, if, you know, surprising, if you take too much Tylenol or abuse it, you know, you could it could fucking kill you, you know?

01:08:24.50
Mike
right

01:08:25.30
Bill
And so they went through all this stuff and thing. And apparently this all came out and I guess it might've been his department that came up with this study, if I'm not mistaken, but he was talking about it, you know, that specifically pregnant women shouldn't, you know, take Tylenol.

01:08:38.45
Bill
If you do, unless you're, you know, recommended by a doctor, it's, you know, you you should stick away from or stay away from it type of thing because of this, that, the other thing.

01:08:43.97
Mike
Right.

01:08:45.57
Bill
So this didn't surprise me. I was just like, are you fucking kidding me though? um Apparently on Tic Tac or Tic Tac,

01:08:53.16
Mike
Yeah.

01:08:53.78
Bill
Let me step back. TikTok. There's people on there that are that are doing these these TikTok videos. They're pregnant women, literally saying, you can't tell me what to do with my body.

01:09:04.69
Mike
Right.

01:09:04.80
Bill
I'm taking Tylenol. And I'm like, are you fucking...

01:09:06.35
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:09:08.95
Bill
You just deserve to die. Sorry. But I mean, if you're if you're doing that just to just spite some fucking crazy dude, some fucking politician, you're you're fucking crazier than anyone else out there. But I'm like, really? People are just doing that to spite people. But here's the other thing.

01:09:22.62
Bill
I think we've been very clear on here. and let Let me just make it clear for myself. not words in your mouth. I do not like our current president. I don't like him one bit.

01:09:30.85
Mike
Right.

01:09:31.54
Bill
I don't like I have no there's there's nothing about him that I like.

01:09:31.86
Mike
this

01:09:35.94
Bill
I don't like him one one bit.

01:09:36.33
Mike
Right.

01:09:37.50
Bill
OK, but here's what I thought was kind of funny.

01:09:37.93
Mike
Yeah.

01:09:39.42
Bill
He was saying that what R.K. was talking about. And I've heard this before, but because she's just these other examples because I've seen this in the past and it just reminded me of it. So take away the fact that it's whether it's it doesn't matter as that it's Trump.

01:09:51.02
Bill
Let's just talk about Republican and Democrat. OK, so we talked about things, you know, these partisan ideas of people voting along party lines and things like that, which personally I think is stupid. There's there.

01:10:01.28
Bill
It's impossible for there's no way in the world I'm always going agree with you, Mike. So no way in the world I'm ever going to agree completely 100 percent down the line with any politician or any fucking human being. You know, but apparently what would what he was going through some certain things that went back to like the Clinton age and in some of these other you know Democratic presidents that, you know, these presidents were doing X.

01:10:10.95
Mike
Right.

01:10:19.18
Mike
Right.

01:10:21.34
Bill
But then they came up in the current administration and then the Democrats are like, well, fuck this. We're not doing with this. This this person is this.

01:10:27.10
Mike
Right.

01:10:28.66
Bill
And they're that they're like, you understand that Clinton did it. Yeah.

01:10:32.60
Mike
right

01:10:32.82
Bill
it iss just But as soon as it comes out of this this current Republican's mouth, which again, I get it.

01:10:36.73
Mike
Yeah.

01:10:38.39
Bill
The one in the obvious a fucking nutbag. I get it. But as soon as it comes from a Republican, now the Democrats fucking hate it. And I'm like, I i don't fucking understand it.

01:10:43.97
Mike
Right.

01:10:47.55
Bill
It's just, it's, our political system is is so fucking stupid.

01:10:51.32
Mike
Yes.

01:10:51.69
Bill
It's just, oh.

01:10:52.16
Mike
Uh, the, the dying remains of a once great Republic.

01:10:57.60
Bill
It's just that, oh, this this fucking idiot likes it, so i we're we're going against it, even though it's good for us.

01:11:02.58
Mike
Right.

01:11:03.50
Bill
Like you said, in spite of ourselves when we were talking about doing things that are good for us.

01:11:03.74
Mike
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

01:11:07.38
Bill
So here's here's the last thing about the Dunkin' Donuts thing.

01:11:07.54
Mike
yeah

01:11:10.55
Bill
So apparently he was at a rally, and i and I heard the soundbite, and I thought it was actually going to be – I thought he said it on Joe Rogan, you know but he didn't. He said it's some rally. So I listened to the clip. So um basically what he did was he he had said that um he was going to ask, he was talking about iced coffee and the fact of it, each apparently, trying to realize that it had this much sugar, east each cup of iced coffee has 100 grams of sugar.

01:11:38.95
Bill
Okay.

01:11:39.32
Mike
Yeah.

01:11:39.51
Bill
And I'm watching all these clips. These are all news stations across the fucking country that are doing this news story, obviously also. And they're showing, you know, like these containers and vials 100 grams. of sugar looks like it's a fucking lot you know and i guess the daily recommended dose of sugar is supposed to be like 10 or 15 grams or something like that you can get you can get 101 thing of iced coffee and so his comment was you know these kids these kids out there you know young men young women you was talking about you know teenage girls drinking iced coffee he's like do they really need that um you know and not really knowing what they're putting into their bodies is a good for them blah blah blah So his what he said, I listened to the clip.

01:11:49.24
Mike
you Yeah.

01:11:55.50
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:11:58.26
Mike
Right.

01:12:13.90
Bill
He said that he goes, he goes, I want to ask Dunkin Donuts and Starbucks um to show me the safety data behind that. He goes, because I'm sure they're ah sure they can't do it. That was it. That was the the whole thing.

01:12:24.50
Bill
And he made it. he kind of made a joke out of it, you know, because I'm sure they can't do it.

01:12:26.41
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:12:28.28
Bill
Um, but so apparently now the fucking governor of Massachusetts says to him, and maybe, you know, this just says, says, Hey, RFK, come and take it.

01:12:32.80
Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

01:12:40.54
Bill
Okay. Now, do you know what that's from? And she posted some picture of a flag that said, come and take it. Okay. It was, and I had never heard of this from the start of the Texas revolution or something like that.

01:12:51.33
Bill
So it was like, she was, she was throwing off fighting words, you know?

01:12:51.35
Mike
ah

01:12:54.60
Bill
And basically he said, he goes, I'm not trying to take away, you know, you're talking donuts. He goes, and he said, I'm wrong. And he's like, I'm not telling people that I'm not going to come take your soda or anything like that. He goes, just, you know, maybe take a peek at what he goes.

01:13:06.20
Bill
What we're trying to do is just shine light on these things. You know, like, you know, the, what's on food labels. He plans on, you know, trying to, trying to implement new food labels. You can look at stuff and actually see what, what might be healthier for you, you know?

01:13:16.00
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:13:16.21
Bill
Just simple things like we have now just kind of, you know, put more of a light on things. yeah And I'm like, fucking Massachusetts governor's going, trying to fucking fight him just because he's talking about, you know, it's a lot.

01:13:29.24
Bill
It's 100 grams of sugar, you know.

01:13:30.60
Mike
Yeah.

01:13:31.48
Bill
And then the only other thing that he said when he talking about the staff benefits, which this made perfect sense to me, he said, he said, why should the government pay um to potentially of give somebody diabetes?

01:13:41.86
Bill
And then he said, if he goes, unfortunately, goes a lot of, there's a certain percentage of people, these children that are, that end up growing up on staff benefits that end up on, on benefits themselves and end up, you know, in lower income households and end up on Medicaid.

01:13:42.37
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:13:56.64
Bill
And so he said, we're, we're basically, we're paying for them. to get diabetes and and we're going to pay to treat it later on in life. And he goes, it doesn't it doesn't make sense.

01:14:03.02
Mike
Right.

01:14:04.82
Bill
you know and And I just, i' again, I couldn't argue with the logic type of thing, but It's just the the what what cracked me up the most. I thought I'm like more power to anyone who wants to make the food better, you know, and in whatever.

01:14:17.38
Bill
Everyone's got choices.

01:14:17.33
Mike
Right.

01:14:18.02
Bill
I mean, i don't there's certain things that I don't eat, and that's my choice. I don't i don't give i i don't look at anyone and say, how could you go to McDonald's? How could you eat this? How could you eat that? I never do that.

01:14:28.01
Mike
Right.

01:14:29.32
Bill
The same thing as you and I don't stand on a you know on a fucking rooftop and you know talk to people about how can you drink alcohol and that sort of thing.

01:14:35.21
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:14:35.92
Bill
um But I don't know. To me, and I understand 100% what you're saying. He's in a bag just like everyone else. But just made some interesting points.

01:14:43.03
Mike
Yep.

01:14:44.47
Bill
And after the end of it, I'm just like, I'm like, hey okay, at least I got some something positive I can say. He's got some – if these ideas – my only point was if these any of these ideas get implemented, um I think that's a positive.

01:14:56.30
Bill
And I just don't understand how people can fight him on trying to make food healthier. I don't i don't understand that or fight anyone on trying to make food healthier.

01:15:00.93
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:15:04.14
Bill
I don't get it.

01:15:04.47
Mike
Right. Yeah, yeah. There's lots and lots of stuff I don't get.

01:15:11.00
Bill
Yeah, I know. It's just there's one of the that's just something, you know, latest latest on the list. But it just I don't know. it ah It did. It just it just fucking it just fucking blew my mind. But so anyhow, yeah, if you want to have some fun, maybe you or anyone that's listening, yeah, just look up Dunkin Donuts and look up any of this food stuff. it It made so much fucking news. And there's so many so many fights out there about people just that's going crazy over. I don't know, again, positive thing against food or sugars or Whatever the case may be. So, okay.

01:15:40.34
Bill
Enough about that. Now, what I want to hear about is the reason that we're recording on a Thursday night. Where's your ass going to be on so on Sunday morning, but Mike?

01:15:48.15
Mike
hey I don't know.

01:15:50.07
Bill
yeah

01:15:50.54
Mike
this is Somewhere out on the street.

01:15:52.44
Bill
tear Tear the knob.

01:15:52.85
Mike
ah Right.

01:15:54.19
Bill
Turn up the volume. Do that. Turn up the volume. Tear the knob off.

01:15:58.21
Mike
Turn it up and tear it off. um Yeah, no. ah There's a local band. Well, okay. It all ties into WJCU. I kind of wanted to go the show anyway. There's a local band...

01:16:14.30
Mike
from Cleveland who are now worldwide called midnight that I love. Um, I've seen shit. This is probably tomorrow night's probably going to be the sixth or seventh time I've seen them. Something like that.

01:16:27.39
Bill
Really? Yeah.

01:16:27.69
Mike
yeah, yeah, Anyway, they're opening for acid bath, which was a band from the nineties. It was really cool. They broke up for like 15 or 16 years and they're back together. um And so midnight's opening for them um ah at the Agora tomorrow night. So... um When JCU had the Radiothon this year, um they changed the guest DJ thing.

01:16:51.04
Mike
you got any listeners know that I do that every year. Anyway, so I called in the first night of the Radiothon to do my normal, you know, here's my 200 bucks. Let me come down and play my awful music for two hours.

01:17:03.64
Mike
And um because of the the way it's been, um they changed it up this year and you had to pretty much put your name in a hat.

01:17:14.60
Mike
um to do the guest dj thing because they had so many people that wanted to do it um yeah ah thankfully my name came out of the hat so i get to do it again this year um but because of that when i called up initially to do it um

01:17:19.42
Bill
Oh, really? Oh.

01:17:25.21
Bill
hey

01:17:30.62
Mike
It wasn't guaranteed that I was going to be able to do it. um So I wanted to contribute to the radio station as I always do anyway. So I said, well, shit, then give me the acid bath midnight tickets. I will take those for my pledge. So I did. And so that's where I'm going tomorrow night.

01:17:49.02
Mike
Um, that's going to be fucking great. And then, ah because midnight's local, but they're worldwide and you know, they're always out touring whatever. Um, about a week ago, they said that, uh, they announced the show at, not at, uh, no class, which is Cleveland's gayest heavy metal bar. um I love the place, man. it's It's a little hole in the wall. It's great. Not too far from my house, actually. um Anyway, they announced an afternoon show the next day since they're going to be in town and whatever. So they're playing that. I'm going to that on Saturday.

01:18:24.73
Mike
So, yeah, I'm going out Friday night and Saturday afternoon.

01:18:31.35
Bill
Speaker 3 0 0 0

01:18:33.24
Mike
Yeah, I know. Well, i took I took the day off work tomorrow, so I'm going to sleep in and hopefully that'll all work out.

01:18:36.06
Bill
so

01:18:41.85
Bill
Bank ba some hours up front, right?

01:18:44.06
Mike
Yeah.

01:18:45.18
Bill
So remind everyone, too, that, I mean, these are these are places you're going, um the regular bars that you go, a lot of times you go to these places by yourself.

01:18:49.26
Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

01:18:53.50
Bill
These are the things that I think are i think are important.

01:18:53.98
Mike
Yep.

01:18:56.10
Bill
But, I mean, number one, I mean, the the type of places you go to and in the the how behind it. how How do you do that? How do you how do you deal with shit like that?

01:19:05.46
Mike
that I go, I go to, I go to listen to the music, to watch the bands to, uh, yeah, you know, um, it, it certainly doesn't bother me. I mean, we've talked about it on here. You know, I went to see Alice Cooper at the, uh, at the, uh, minor league baseball stadium here, ah When I was shoot five months sober, and I went by myself to that.

01:19:30.87
Bill
Right.

01:19:34.32
Mike
And um that was a little difficult. I probably shouldn't have done that, but I did. And, you know, came back sober, and it was fine.

01:19:39.85
Bill
Right.

01:19:42.05
Mike
It was ah it was a little nerve-wracking. Between, you know, watching Alice in the band and all that was fucking great. I was very close to the stage for that show because I was by myself and sober, and I could navigate things.

01:19:56.09
Mike
um Yeah. So, you know, when the band was playing, it was great. It was in between. It was is a little sketchy and driving there was a little sketchy. um But, you know, I got through it.

01:20:06.90
Mike
But yeah, no, now I just I go because I love the music.

01:20:07.46
Bill
Right.

01:20:10.02
Mike
I always have, always will. And yeah. It's an important part of my life and and um I get to do it sober and I get to remember it all and I get to, you know, get home and my car's in the driveway and I'm sleeping in my own bed and there's still money in my wallet.

01:20:25.74
Mike
I still have a wallet. um

01:20:27.26
Bill
ah her

01:20:31.13
Mike
yeah Yeah, I get to do that today. Freedom, baby. So, yeah, you know, yeah.

01:20:34.46
Bill
right

01:20:36.01
Mike
And it's, you know, whatever, man. Yes, there are drunken morons around me. And, you know, there's always drunken morons around me.

01:20:43.14
Bill
Right.

01:20:43.61
Mike
A higher concentration of them. But whatever. it's not I'm not there for that. I'm there to watch the rock and roll. That's exactly what I'm going to do.

01:20:52.40
Bill
Right. And you're, you're there for the, um, you know, in what we were told up front, it's okay to go to those things. Once we are, are spiritually fit, as long as we're going, we're going for the event and not for the party, you know, and you know, the event for you is going to watch music.

01:20:57.38
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

01:21:02.82
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:21:05.29
Bill
I mean, I've been to a couple of weddings and I've been to circumstances. I, the first, um, actual, you know, rock and roll show that I went to was a Lita Ford that you and I went to, um, up here, you know, and that was 2015 or think.

01:21:13.10
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right. Right.

01:21:19.77
Mike
Yeah, something like that.

01:21:20.15
Bill
So, you I was, you know, six years sober at the time, you know, and, and I didn't, I had no issue going whatsoever because I was with you.

01:21:23.38
Mike
Right.

01:21:27.50
Bill
It was weird going up when we went up to get, uh, whatever it was, I, whether they had soda or just water there, I don't remember.

01:21:28.02
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:21:34.08
Bill
went up to get something and we had to go to the, to the, it wasn't a beer tent, but it was the, its and you know, the the beer bar.

01:21:35.26
Mike
Right.

01:21:38.06
Mike
Right. That's where they're selling the booze. Right.

01:21:41.34
Bill
and Like, like when I was in, when I was in Madison and I went, uh, went to the Christmas party and there I was only like four years sober or three or whatever the fuck I was or yeah, whatever, three and a half, i don't know, whatever.

01:21:47.50
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:21:50.17
Mike
Right.

01:21:53.53
Bill
And, uh, you know, it came up in one of the, one of the people that I had trained or was training at the time. It came up that we were talking about Christmas party and somehow came up that I didn't drink.

01:22:00.60
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:22:02.10
Bill
And she's like, she's like, but I, she's like at the, at the, it was a Christmas party is our, uh, award ceremony thing.

01:22:08.19
Mike
Right.

01:22:08.98
Bill
And she's like, but at the at at the event, she's like, I saw you in the in the alcohol line.

01:22:13.94
Mike
Right.

01:22:14.58
Bill
And I said, no, two other people that were standing there listening, they started laughing.

01:22:14.63
Mike
was the beverage

01:22:19.39
Bill
They're like, they're like the alcohol line. I'm like, yeah, you realize you could get you could get alcohol in that line, but you could also get water.

01:22:23.57
Mike
line. Yeah, right.

01:22:25.50
Bill
You could get soda. Yeah.

01:22:27.00
Mike
it was the beverage line

01:22:29.34
Bill
Yes. Yeah. Like, yeah, I just stand in the same line as, is the alcohol is being served in. But, um, but yeah, it's a, it's just, I think it, uh, you know, still to this day.

01:22:34.10
Mike
right

01:22:38.06
Bill
And, and I remember that whole Alice Cooper thing. We talked about that a couple of different times, but yeah, was it, was it five? I, I keep thinking four months in my head, but, uh, I mean, four or five, whatever it was, it was early.

01:22:46.71
Mike
Maybe. i don't know. Yeah, it was like ah late September. So whatever that comes out to be. Yeah.

01:22:52.44
Bill
Oh, yeah, that's five. Yeah, that is five months.

01:22:53.94
Mike
Yeah.

01:22:54.68
Bill
Yeah. And I wasn't i wasn't necessarily questioning you. I just had it always had in my head that it was four.

01:22:58.22
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:23:00.17
Bill
But one way or the other, you were really fucking young in this thing.

01:23:02.55
Mike
Yes. Yes, I was.

01:23:03.86
Bill
you know and um

01:23:04.88
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:23:05.43
Bill
and you know but you But you did it the right way. You talked to your sponsor at first. I mean, you talk to you let everyone know where you're going to be.

01:23:09.53
Mike
he Right.

01:23:11.89
Bill
Let everyone know roughly when you're going be back. you know you It was that whole accountability thing.

01:23:14.52
Mike
Yeah.

01:23:17.30
Bill
And, you know, you went, you did your thing and you did it successfully.

01:23:19.43
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:23:20.34
Bill
Like you said, maybe, maybe not the best choice in the world, but you know, again, you got through it.

01:23:20.59
Mike
Right.

01:23:22.93
Mike
Yeah. oh Right. I was pushing some things that I probably shouldn't push, but, you know, I got through it sober.

01:23:26.14
Bill
Right.

01:23:31.03
Bill
Right.

01:23:31.16
Mike
So, you know, yeah, whatever. I'm not going to regret it because it was a great fucking show. um ah Well, know, whatever.

01:23:36.50
Bill
Right.

01:23:38.78
Mike
I did it.

01:23:40.28
Bill
Right. No, I just think, I just think it's great. And I mean, I, I don't think about it much anymore that, uh, you know, when you do it, but it just, it kind of crossed my mind. I'm like, well, it's a good opportunity just to remind people that, that you go to these things.

01:23:47.42
Mike
Yeah. Right.

01:23:50.98
Bill
These aren't just, you're not like sitting in, you know, ah going to ah a fucking AA meeting and watching a band.

01:23:51.16
Mike
Yeah.

01:23:56.18
Bill
I mean, you're going to a, you're going to a fucking bar and watching, you know,

01:23:56.57
Mike
Now, Yeah. Oh, yeah. And like you said, you know, yeah, i I go up to the bar because, you know, I'm there. I get thirsty. um You know, my my standard anymore, um you know, I'll get bottled water because they sell that at the bar.

01:24:10.29
Mike
um

01:24:10.80
Bill
Right.

01:24:11.19
Mike
But, I mean, I get i get a tonic water with a wedge of lime in it. And, you know, ah fuck you.

01:24:18.17
Bill
yeah Right.

01:24:18.18
Mike
You know, I was never i was never a vodka tonic guy, gin and tonic. I just wasn't. um I liked tonic water when I was a kid, but it was never my mixer when I was drinking.

01:24:29.78
Mike
um So, you know, so it's not it's not a trigger.

01:24:29.99
Bill
Right.

01:24:34.10
Mike
um Not that we have those anyway, an excuse to whatever. um But yeah, so I get a tonic water with a wedge lime and, you know, nobody fucking knows it's virgin. And I'm walking around with mike my drink.

01:24:44.58
Bill
Right.

01:24:46.57
Mike
you know Fuck you. Yes, I'm here to watch the rock and roll. Get the hell out of my way, you drunken buffoons. I'm going to step over you and get closer to the stage.

01:24:52.60
Bill
Right.

01:24:54.97
Mike
ah

01:24:56.47
Bill
Well, and that was the funniest thing when we went to, when we went to lead a forward and you know, again, and that was a labor day.

01:24:59.46
Mike
Yep.

01:25:01.95
Bill
Yeah. It was labor day weekend of that year.

01:25:03.48
Mike
Right.

01:25:04.19
Bill
And it was the um it was on, it was on labor day, I think. Yeah. Cause I know it was, it was on, yeah, I was on that Monday. um There was still, it was a lot of people, but that was, she was the last show of the whole weekend.

01:25:10.01
Mike
Right.

01:25:14.33
Mike
right

01:25:14.49
Bill
Cause I mean, heart Harley does this whole, just for anyone in Milwaukee, Harley does this whole thing every year. They do they're called little Harley fest events is what they do.

01:25:19.20
Mike
Yep.

01:25:22.86
Bill
Even if there's not a big thing going on, they'll do all local shit.

01:25:23.18
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:25:25.90
Bill
um

01:25:26.10
Mike
Right.

01:25:27.13
Bill
But, I mean, I remember it's the same thing as like when I went to the Foo Fighters a few years ago. But, you know, you and I, we got we got something to drink.

01:25:31.55
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:25:34.09
Bill
Again, I can't remember it was soda, water. doesn't even fucking it matter. But you're like you're like, we're going up here.

01:25:37.11
Mike
Right.

01:25:38.73
Bill
And we walked in.

01:25:39.35
Mike
Yeah.

01:25:39.41
Bill
I mean, we were like within spitting distance of where you know where the stage was.

01:25:41.67
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:25:42.89
Bill
Got there.

01:25:43.07
Mike
Yep.

01:25:43.65
Bill
You know, I mean, however many minutes before the show started. So we got our space.

01:25:46.90
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:25:47.67
Bill
And then I'll never forget there was this. I remember the one... One girl, two girls. There's like a group of them, but there was two girls and in particular that were by us and they were having a great time.

01:25:52.73
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:25:57.69
Bill
They were young, probably in their 20s, if I remember correctly.

01:25:58.01
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:26:00.25
Bill
And like, oh, you gotta go pee and get something to drink.

01:26:00.34
Mike
Right.

01:26:03.31
Bill
And they, know, she'd be gone for 15 minutes and she'd come back with a brand new drink. And, you know, 20 minutes later. I gotta go pee and get something to drink.

01:26:12.21
Mike
Yep.

01:26:12.72
Bill
And I'm like, we just sat there in the entire fucking time. Same thing as, you know, with the Foo Fighters. Just, I sat there for two and a half hours and watched every fucking song, you know, just watched everything.

01:26:20.92
Mike
Right.

01:26:21.75
Bill
Same thing with Lita Ford. It was so, you want to talk about freedom. I mean, that's, that's fucking super freedom, you know?

01:26:25.82
Mike
Mm hmm. Yep.

01:26:28.82
Bill
yeah

01:26:28.89
Mike
Yep. Absolutely.

01:26:31.06
Bill
All right. So a couple of quick questions. I got one thing I want to read. I just heard this this story this morning and i I don't have to read it, but I think I have to read it. so

01:26:39.89
Mike
all right.

01:26:40.98
Bill
So as a, well, first of all, you're a professional driver, correct?

01:26:44.32
Mike
I am.

01:26:44.98
Bill
Okay. As a professional driver and you've seen my car, mirate my new grayish vehicle, is my car hard to see on the road or are gray cars, cars of my color and size, are they hard to see, do you think?

01:26:50.65
Mike
Right.

01:26:55.61
Mike
this um Well, I mean, you have a darker gray, so that's better. um Yeah.

01:27:03.00
Bill
Oh, really? Okay. Right.

01:27:04.06
Mike
yeahy Yeah, it is. um Gray cars. Yes. um If you drive a gray car, turn your fucking lights on. yeah it's raining.

01:27:15.78
Mike
It's you, you're a gray car on a gray road on a gray day and you don't have your fucking lights on. It's, it's something I've noticed in my career.

01:27:22.17
Bill
Right.

01:27:24.18
Mike
um Yeah. You know, ah everybody like most, yeah, the majority of the gray cars on a gray day when it's raining on gray pavement, don't have their fucking lights on. I don't know why, but it is, it's a thing. um And yeah,

01:27:40.28
Mike
Yeah, you know, it's fucking hard to see you. There's spray coming off the road. Your fucking, your car matches the color of the pavement, which matches the color of the sky, which, and I can't fucking see you, man.

01:27:52.04
Mike
You know, turn your fucking lights on.

01:27:52.34
Bill
Right.

01:27:54.40
Mike
Plus, it's the law. If your windshield wipers are going, your lights are supposed to be on.

01:27:58.96
Bill
Right. So in in the reason I'm asking is just that and I noticed that like last weekend when I was I went to a couple of hiking trails and I remember I think it if it was if it was sunny at the time, it I remember I ought to pay more attention to the weather when when these things happen.

01:28:06.51
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:28:13.86
Bill
I know it hasn't necessarily been when it's raining, but it seems like there's I ever since I've had this car, which has been a little over a year, it seems that um people will start to almost pull out in front of me, like from a side street type of thing.

01:28:14.22
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:28:26.47
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:28:28.08
Bill
You know, and and I'm like, am I really, am I that hard to to see? That's why I wanted to ask you.

01:28:31.96
Mike
oh

01:28:32.77
Bill
That was more curiosity than anything else. Everything that you just said makes perfect sense.

01:28:34.55
Mike
Right? Uh-huh.

01:28:36.72
Bill
That I 100% understand. But just in a normal sense, I just didn't. So, I mean, your answer is yes, if nothing else, yes-ish.

01:28:44.44
Mike
Yeah, right. Yes-ish. Right. And like I said, yours is darker, so it's it's a little actually easier to see than a lighter gray car.

01:28:50.97
Bill
Okay. Okay.

01:28:53.08
Mike
Yeah.

01:28:53.24
Bill
And that makes sense. So, so ah a lighter gray or a silver or something like that, it it just tends to blend more than, okay, well that, that makes sense.

01:28:56.82
Mike
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

01:29:00.12
Bill
But again, I figured you'd have a, you'd have an answer for that. So plus on top of that, take Mike's advice and do what he said.

01:29:03.14
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:29:05.80
Bill
So, um,

01:29:06.10
Mike
Yes, exactly. And, and, you know, ah yes. And it's getting worse out there because, you know, there are more and more people are there. Fucking faces are in their phones while they're driving their car down the street.

01:29:17.40
Bill
Right. I shouldn't laugh, but I know.

01:29:18.62
Mike
is is

01:29:19.48
Bill
Yeah, if you're 100% correct.

01:29:19.86
Mike
Yeah.

01:29:21.40
Bill
Absolutely correct. Okay. So um this is a one-liner and then going read the article. So I saw a meme on Instagram. It said non-alcoholic beer is like watching porn on the radio.

01:29:33.05
Bill
And I thought, I thought that's, that that made me laugh.

01:29:34.42
Mike
twenty

01:29:36.97
Bill
It did. if If nothing else, I don't know it's true.

01:29:37.41
Mike
Okay.

01:29:39.33
Bill
doesn't matter. it it did.

01:29:40.28
Mike
right

01:29:40.57
Bill
it It made me laugh. Okay. So there's a reason that I'm going to read this article and you'll obviously you'll get the point here in a second, but this is a, um, it's an article again. They read as a kicker story on the radio this morning, um, for the 10 happiest U S cities.

01:29:55.83
Bill
Okay.

01:29:56.31
Mike
okay

01:29:57.18
Bill
And for the ranking, the um most popular cities in each state metric, where did it say it was talking about? God, I thought they had the metrics in here.

01:30:08.41
Bill
They were talking about um like the weather and, you know, the the crime rates, so did dip typical things, you know, nothing really out of the ordinary, ordinary but like weather there was one thing and just, you know, things to do and blah, blah, blah, whatever the point was.

01:30:15.90
Mike
Right.

01:30:21.78
Bill
So

01:30:22.01
Mike
Right. Yeah. Things to do and yeah. and Price point and all that good stuff. Yeah.

01:30:26.62
Bill
Yeah, and i' and I'm sure all of that all of that was in here. So do you want me to go to the happiest cities? and There's also then the the bottom of the list also.

01:30:33.98
Mike
Right.

01:30:34.42
Bill
but So the most unhappy, 10 most unhappy ones. but So for the happiest ones, you want me to go 10 to 1?

01:30:37.25
Mike
huh.

01:30:40.07
Mike
Yeah.

01:30:40.98
Bill
Okay, number 10, San Jose, California.

01:30:43.61
Mike
Yeah. All right.

01:30:44.50
Bill
Gilbert, Arizona.

01:30:47.06
Mike
Okay.

01:30:48.41
Bill
Irvine, California.

01:30:49.86
Mike
Yeah. All right.

01:30:52.38
Bill
It was, here's a couple of, yeah, there's one more from California. um Charleston, South Carolina, which I thought that was interesting because that's ah that's like our our number one spot that we're we're looking at for our thing.

01:30:58.49
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:31:04.70
Bill
I've never been to Charleston, but I've been to South Carolina.

01:31:04.91
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:31:07.26
Bill
Lovely. You've been there also. And I know you've been through and around and all those different things, but I thought that was kind of that's, that was Charleston's number seven.

01:31:08.85
Mike
Sure.

01:31:11.99
Mike
Right.

01:31:14.54
Bill
So I thought that was interesting.

01:31:15.11
Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

01:31:16.62
Bill
Overland Park, Kansas. I don't, I've never been around that.

01:31:19.74
Mike
Okay. Yeah.

01:31:21.40
Bill
Um, here's the one that kind of threw me and they were talking about, they kind of laughed at this one. Um, Fargo, North Dakota.

01:31:27.43
Mike
Fire goal.

01:31:28.70
Bill
So again, things to do, whether maybe price points and whatever, who maybe it is.

01:31:31.19
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. Right.

01:31:33.82
Bill
It's cheap to live there, but, um, oh yeah.

01:31:35.19
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:31:36.97
Bill
a prowler cold as fuck.

01:31:37.37
Mike
Yeah.

01:31:40.04
Bill
I mean, I just, I don't know.

01:31:40.63
Mike
Right.

01:31:41.16
Bill
Anyhow, um, Smith Burling or no, I'm Scott Smith, South Burlington, Vermont, Scottsdale, Arizona.

01:31:46.94
Mike
Okay.

01:31:49.89
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:31:51.17
Bill
bismarck north dakota again north dakota may be beautiful in the summertime right possibly okay and then the number one um i didn't they they said where this was i'm sure you're going to know where it is fremont california okay yeah that's what they said i mean i i wouldn't have known i wouldn't have known at all so i wanted to read this because mainly because of the bottom the bottom 10 this i'll tell you blew my mind okay because we've got you and i got some favorites on here okay

01:31:52.81
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right. Right. Yeah.

01:32:03.19
Mike
Ah, Bay Area.

01:32:09.14
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:32:15.59
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:32:20.73
Bill
Number 10, Akron, Ohio.

01:32:23.68
Mike
All right.

01:32:26.33
Bill
And then, of course, they're like, oh yeah, hope home of LeBron James or whatever. I'm like, home of LeBron James? Who gives a fuck about that motherfucker?

01:32:30.94
Mike
Right.

01:32:32.45
Bill
Home of Alcoholics Anonymous. that's

01:32:34.31
Mike
That's right.

01:32:35.29
Bill
We hang out there once a year. So I'm like, but this again, this is the bottom of the list, right?

01:32:36.89
Mike
Yep.

01:32:39.32
Mike
Yeah.

01:32:39.48
Bill
Yeah.

01:32:40.24
Mike
Well, i yeah you know, if I had to live in Akron, I'd be pretty unhappy.

01:32:44.25
Bill
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's just I've never spent any time in Akron with the exception of that. A couple of things for work years ago when I worked for that that company out of ah wherever it was, Fairlock.

01:32:53.62
Mike
Right.

01:32:54.01
Bill
We had a client. The hospital was there. I had to go there a couple of times. um

01:32:56.96
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:32:58.39
Bill
Dover, Delaware.

01:32:59.86
Mike
Yeah.

01:33:02.02
Bill
Fort Smith, Arkansas.

01:33:03.70
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:33:04.95
Bill
So I don't and I didn't look up where Fort Smith. Do you know where in Arkansas Fort Smith is?

01:33:11.13
Mike
Not offhand.

01:33:12.89
Bill
Okay, I'm just going to type this in as I'm is i'm doing this.

01:33:14.81
Mike
and know its i think it's, actually, now I'm thinking about it, I think it's the northern part of the state.

01:33:21.75
Bill
Really? Okay. um And actually, I'm going to read the other ones, but I'm going to take a look. as i i might have to I might have to strenuously object to that one because I fucking love Arkansas.

01:33:30.62
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:33:32.79
Bill
I love, love, love it.

01:33:33.05
Mike
Right.

01:33:35.31
Bill
um

01:33:35.45
Mike
My company's corporate headquarters is in Arkansas.

01:33:38.36
Bill
Is it really?

01:33:39.10
Mike
Yeah.

01:33:40.89
Bill
Okay, so that is, um okay, that's, yeah, Russellville, I've been there, Conway, I've been in there, Buffalo. Okay, so I was in the Buffalo National River area, which is a little bit north um northeast of that

01:33:57.37
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:33:57.78
Bill
But south of Fayetteville, south of Springdale, there's Magazine, Robert's Cave. Robert's Cave State Power. Oh, shit. That's ah Oklahoma. That's where my friend um and I went.

01:34:08.18
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:34:08.92
Bill
So it's towards the Oklahoma border.

01:34:11.16
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. Northern part.

01:34:13.43
Bill
Yeah, but I tell you, I might have to disagree with that one. But anyhow, um Augusta, Georgia. That kind of surprised me. So that I thought Augusta was like high end. <unk> toy

01:34:23.16
Mike
Yeah.

01:34:23.77
Bill
Maybe that's why it's a shitty place to live or too expensive.

01:34:24.23
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:34:27.74
Bill
um Toledo, Ohio.

01:34:30.14
Mike
yeah

01:34:31.74
Bill
Yeah, I was going to say, i i' I've been in it around Toledo. I can't i can't really disagree with that one. Huntington, West Virginia.

01:34:39.00
Mike
All right.

01:34:39.95
Bill
That's number five. Number four. Where are you sitting right now, Mr. Mike?

01:34:43.99
Mike
The Lando Cleave.

01:34:47.38
Bill
Yeah, fucking Cleveland is number four on this list. I'm like, I don't understand. Shreveport, Louisiana, number three.

01:34:56.16
Bill
Memphis, Tennessee, number two.

01:34:58.30
Mike
Yeah, I could see that.

01:35:00.09
Bill
I liked Memphis. Now, don't don't get me wrong.

01:35:01.53
Mike
Yeah.

01:35:02.97
Bill
Okay, so from where I stayed, I stayed close to downtown. um I didn't, I drove down and I parked because I didn't know the area.

01:35:06.09
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:35:09.37
Bill
And I do that. If I'm if i'm in a place, I'm not going to walk around at night because I don't know the area.

01:35:12.42
Mike
Right. Uh-huh.

01:35:14.36
Bill
But I mean, driving it along in there, I mean, i didn't I didn't feel unsafe. Now, when I went over to, and I just went to Graceland, I didn't do the tour or anything like that.

01:35:21.66
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:35:21.84
Bill
But driving outside of downtown Memphis, I ended up in a couple of shitstorm areas, which i'm like I'm like, oh, hey now.

01:35:24.84
Mike
Yeah. Yup.

01:35:28.48
Bill
you know But i I can see that in Cleveland.

01:35:29.52
Mike
Yup.

01:35:31.54
Bill
I've seen that in Milwaukee.

01:35:32.28
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:35:32.58
Bill
as You can see that anywhere. So it didn't, i don't know.

01:35:34.39
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

01:35:34.98
Bill
i I like Memphis. I actually enjoyed Memphis. Number one, where do you hail from, my friend?

01:35:42.56
Mike
Detroit, Michigan.

01:35:44.49
Bill
Ding, ding. I'm like, I need to read this list because fucking, fucking Akron, Cleveland and Detroit.

01:35:48.73
Mike
Yeah. Right.

01:35:52.10
Bill
I'm like, Jesus fucking Christ. I don't know. I just, I just, ah I strenuously object to the list, I think, because, uh, um, I don't know, like to your point, if you had to live in Akron, I just never, never spent any time there. So I guess I don't know.

01:36:03.22
Bill
Um,

01:36:03.35
Mike
Right.

01:36:04.50
Bill
it just kind of blew my mind that, uh, it was just funny. They were talking to the, like, they're like, Oh, you know, cause the, the news person, uh, her name is Carrie. She's like, she's like, God, three places in Ohio. And, um, the, the guys that do the morning show, they're out.

01:36:14.57
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:36:16.90
Bill
So they were doing like a best of other than that. But, um, the guy, their producer, Eric says, uh, he goes, well, he goes, there's really not much, there's not much good to Ohio to begin with.

01:36:25.18
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:36:25.69
Bill
And I'm like, Oh, you're fucking wrong. But I, I don't know.

01:36:28.15
Mike
yeah Yeah, there's plenty wrong with Ohio.

01:36:28.89
Bill
i don't think there's anything wrong with Ohio, but, uh,

01:36:32.26
Mike
I don't live in Ohio. I live in Cleveland.

01:36:34.20
Bill
Yeah, I know. I know. But there's some there's some beautiful areas outside of that city that you live in, too, that are kind of kind of you know nice and whatever.

01:36:38.92
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:36:41.64
Bill
So anyhow, it's ah it just it kind of blew my mind. that That's all I'm going say about that. But yeah, the fact that your your home state and where you're sitting right now are first and fourth, it just fucking blew my mind.

01:36:53.61
Bill
Yeah.

01:36:53.78
Mike
yeah Well, I'm happy, so fuck you

01:36:55.61
Bill
I know. Yeah. It's again, walking through the world. We take that full circle of the reading and what we had talked about earlier.

01:36:59.86
Mike
you.

01:37:01.81
Bill
You're going go out there. Even if the world's all fucked up, you're going put on your happy face, right?

01:37:05.85
Mike
Absolutely.

01:37:07.16
Bill
And now your face is even happier. You know why? Because I think we're done.

01:37:09.92
Mike
Because we're fucking done.

01:37:12.07
Bill
So rock on, brother.

01:37:14.33
Mike
All right. Well, thank you everyone for listening to yet another episode of Sober Not Mature. always be kind to each other, be good to each other, go out and do something nice for somebody else this week and don't tell anybody you did it.

01:37:27.80
Mike
Now, from the bottom of my heart to the depths of my soul, from the beginning of time until the ends of the earth, always and eternally. Fuck you.

01:37:39.80
Mike
Now it's time, kids. It's time for you to fuck off. Then keep fucking off. Keep fucking off till you get to a gate with the sign on it saying, you cannot fuck off past here. Climb over that gate, dream the impossible dream, and keep fucking off forever.

01:37:56.25
Bill
yeah You read that at a at a very swift pace.

01:37:59.16
Mike
I did.

01:38:00.22
Bill
But it is it it is kind of late. I mean, it's 7.39. I've been getting to bed earlier these days, and i might have well you have I might have to stay up a little bit later tonight just because I want to relax for a minute. But other than that not that this isn't relaxing because, you know, yeah being being on an award-nominated podcast always relaxes me.

01:38:09.98
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:38:13.62
Mike
Right.

01:38:16.31
Mike
Right. Exactly.

01:38:17.63
Bill
Yeah.

01:38:19.02
Mike
i'm about to fall asleep. I'm so fucking relaxed.

01:38:21.37
Bill
ah All right, man. Well, you know what? Enjoy your enjoy your rock and roll this weekend.

01:38:25.82
Mike
I shall.

01:38:26.00
Bill
And and I love you, brother.

01:38:26.50
Mike
My black rock and roll.

01:38:30.26
Mike
I love you too.

01:38:31.70
Bill
believe we will talk soon.

01:38:32.95
Mike
We shall.

01:38:34.87
Bill
Bye.

01:38:35.89
Mike
Bye.