SoberNotMature - Episode 209 (The Infinite Doom Scroll)

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Bill
All right, everyone. Welcome once again to another episode of Sober Not Mature. And I would be...

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Mike
Oh, I thought we were done.

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Bill
Yeah, we just we just recorded our promo. Mike thought after two minutes we were done. So yeah, it said wouldn ah that would have been awesome if I would have been like, hello?

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Mike
Yes.

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Bill
Hello? Hello?

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Mike
yeah

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Bill
yeah this is This is why we got nominated. But then I was just going to say, I was going to say I'd be remiss in not saying that we are now your award-nominated podcast.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
ah

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Mike
and And we're shooting for award winning.

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Bill
Right, yeah. So, ah I don't know. I mean, we've been doing a lot of stuff. I'm sure you've seen all the shit that I've been posting on on Instagram. And so here's here's the thing. And I wanted to ask you, and I guess one way or the other, I think I know the answer, but even if it is a little bit of overkill, is it overkill?

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Bill
Oh, yeah.

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Mike
I don't know. I don't know. Where's my hammer?

00:03:59.61
Bill
Well, and so here's here's the thing. And what i what I've learned with this whole Instagram thing, and if we if we really want to promote something that people's attention span, and it's a fact. I mean, the you know people talk about long-form podcasts like ours being that people don't have the attention span to listen to it, which is bullshit.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
um The people want 30 seconds, two minutes, and you know comedians are out there doing crowd work clips, all these different things that everyone's talking about.

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Mike
Right.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
um But what i what I do believe is that the fact that people are... people's attention span when you just go under scroll scroll scroll scroll scroll you've got to see things repetitively and that's just human nature whether it's social media or anything else um it's been like

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Mike
Right.

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Mike
Mm-hmm. Sobriety.

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Bill
yeah right right Yeah, exactly.

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Mike
ha, ha, ha, ha

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Bill
that's That's a goddamn good point. See, look at you. So, yeah, I just think making up a a bunch of AI shit. And we've got a couple of comments so far. I mean, I know that, you know, and I'll say a number.

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Bill
It's not been, you know, not like, a you know, a thousand people have said they voted for us.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
But, you know, a certain number of people have said, hey, you know, I already voted and blah, blah, blah um and and stuff like that.

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Mike
Right.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
So. Right.

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Mike
I've actually gotten some reactions to, you know, because I've reposted it on Facebook because, you know, I'm old. So I'm on Facebook, not on Instagram. And right.

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
Yeah. There's been some of our friends and stuff. And yeah, you know, hey, I voted. i voted. So I have a few. There's a few out there. We're getting a couple votes.

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Bill
Right. Yeah. one One way or the other. Oh, and this is this is what the funny part was. When I first did the write-up, like the the promo thing that I was including along with all the pictures, I had Sands Bar, their Instagram page, tagged like the at symbol tag, not just ah like a hashtag or something.

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Mike
Right?

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Bill
So I don't know for the first, you know, two, three days and I'm posting all these things two, three fucking times a day. first of all, Chris, who is the, you know, the gentleman that runs, runs Sands Bar, you know, he started following us.

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Mike
Right?

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Bill
So, um I mean, I'm starting to see these people liking the post. That's the other thing. We're getting a lot of reactions on the post, which is cool. You know, people like liking and interacting with him and stuff like that.

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Mike
Yeah?

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Bill
But I just saw him. It's like every single every single one he's liking, liking. I'm like, god my fuck, man, I got to untag this.

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Mike
Right. Yeah.

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Bill
This is not fair. If he chooses, you know, to to like it just off of the feed. So I changed it and, you know, took the tag out of there. But. What I did was I kept the hashtag in there. If you go on Instagram now and search for Sands Bar, there's a good majority of the first page that are us, you know, so um and that's that's the other point that I that I learned is just, you know, you pile these things on here and certain after a month, amount of time, you're going to get a number of them, but also number of reactions. So they're going rank, you know, so.

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Bill
I don't know whether whether her any if that helps.

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Mike
All right.

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Bill
It doesn't really fucking matter. But I don't know. I mean, so far it's been kind of cool. And, I mean, like we were obviously, you know, Kathy had texted us. Kathy, for everyone, you know, just as reminder, is our sister.

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Bill
And she's like, we're fucking going.

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Mike
Mm-hmm. yeah

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Bill
And, you know, it's like she was like the third person that said, if you guys win, you should go. I'm like, I don't think it works that way. I'm like, we're going to have to go out there, you know.

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Mike
right he

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Bill
So if we, whether we want whether we win or not, because at this point, unless something weird happens, unless there's some other order to this, I would think that we're one of the six finalists and all the other people that are finalists in all the other categories, however many there are, you know, that everyone's going have to, you know, find out that night who wins.

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Bill
You know, I don't think it's going to be, you know, it's not going to be revealed beforehand, so.

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Mike
Right. Yeah.

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Mike
Right. Yeah. It's, you know, kept in a mason jar somewhere buried underground by, ah what is it? Price water house. Isn't that who does that?

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Bill
Yes, yes, yeah, exactly, exactly.

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Mike
Yes. Sure. Yep.

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Bill
And then get, who was that Steve Harvey that that crowned the wrong Miss America the one year? steve sorry If Steve Harvey shows up, we're going to escort him out to Newark.

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Mike
sure

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Bill
So, like, dude, you got it wrong. Well, maybe maybe that would help us because we wouldn't we wouldn't be winning unless he was there.

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Mike
Right. Yeah.

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Bill
Ha, ha, ha.

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Mike
And didn't they announce the wrong best picture a couple years ago or something? don't know. Whatever. Anyway.

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Bill
Yeah, I think you're right. I think you're right.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
So I don't know. I don't i don't watch award shows, but the morning show I listen to, they they usually do a recap in that showbiz news thing that I that i was talking about.

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Mike
m

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
And again, they they started doing it as a fucking joke.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
And now it's, I don't know, there's certain things in there that are kind of interesting. And I had i grabbed a story that I want to talk about. It has to do with alcohol. And it's a a celebrity that's kind of running been running wild this week.

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Mike
All right.

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Bill
But I don't know.

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Mike
Hmm.

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Bill
I got obviously got some other stuff. But I think, I think.

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Mike
Uh-huh.

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Bill
Possibly.

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Mike
Possibly.

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Bill
Maybe. You have a reading.

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Mike
Yeah, I probably do.

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Bill
I mean, you know what?

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Mike
Hmm. Right. Yes. Hmm.

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Bill
we We can change things, but I don't think we should because at this point, I mean, apparently people like what we're doing.

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Mike
Hmm. right

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Bill
Oh, quick side note, because everyone really cares about this.

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Mike
yes

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Bill
This is the end of season eight. Okay?

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Mike
but

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Bill
hey And ever for everyone out there, the only fucking reason I keep doing this is because it divides them nicely on our website. That's all that's all that it is.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
and it's It's easier probably on some of the media players. You can, you can, sir it, it just, it's, it's now it's neat and tidy and now we started doing it and I don't know, it's fucking 26 episodes at a time and it is what it is.

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Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

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Bill
So fuck it.

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Mike
Yes, exactly. Right. Yeah. Well, what? Survivors in their 50th season.

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Bill
Right. Yeah. Yeah.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
We're, we're, yeah.

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Mike
yeah So, you know, whatever. And they've been on, what, 15 years or something? Yeah.

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Bill
Yeah. And that's, that's too, I mean, it's, it's the same deal, you know, it's the same kind of situation.

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Mike
Yeah.

00:09:16.15
Bill
Well, um yeah. Survivor, American Idol. God, I don't even know.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
There's a couple of other shows like that, that, and I mean, what do they do yet?

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
Two, three times a year, you know, flip over. I guess I don't even, i have no idea.

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Mike
Yeah. I'm kind of like, all right.

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Bill
So.

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Mike
It's just like this.

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Bill
yeah

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Mike
We have no idea, but it is the end of season eight. So there you go. Mm-hmm.

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Bill
But there there is at least, there is some structure to what we do. It's, you know, as we cut ah cut a nap 20.

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Mike
Okay.

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Bill
In that part of it, that part, just because there there's a certain number of episodes, that's it.

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Mike
okay

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Bill
It's not just, you know, we didn't do 17 one season and 24 the next season.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
so that's episodes.

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Mike
Mm-hmm. see

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Bill
so anyhow

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Mike
Anyhow. All right. Well, so this is the grand season finale. Let's see if I got anything good here for it.

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Bill
ah

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Mike
um Actually, this is from Touchstones. um Yeah, it's ah yesterday yeah yesterday's.

00:10:01.91
Bill
nice

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Mike
um You had posted some of it, I saw, on ah Facebook.

00:10:07.85
Bill
Right.

00:10:09.59
Mike
Yeah. wherever else you posted it. But again, I always see stuff on Facebook cause I'm old.

00:10:15.99
Bill
Right.

00:10:16.48
Mike
Uh, right. But, uh, but I liked it. I know when I read it yesterday, i went, Oh, that's pretty cool. I'll probably use that tomorrow. And then at some point yesterday I was scrolling through, you know, doom scrolling and, uh,

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Mike
I saw that pop up and I went, oh, cool. Hey, look at that. We're kind of on the same page. So so here's the page.

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Bill
hey

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Mike
It's February 19th from Touchstones. And here we go. ah He who has a why to live can bear with almost any how.

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Mike
Frederick Nietzsche, a very cheerful guy. Our sense of purpose in this life is not fixed in concrete. It changes from youth through the stages of life.

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Mike
Often in the transitions to a new growth stage, we are most confused. In the chaotic life created by our own addictive or codependent thinking, all meaning collapses around us.

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Mike
At these times, we wonder, what is the point? Does anything really matter? We receive a why for our existence by participating in the whole of this world.

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Mike
We are sons or fathers or husbands or brothers or friends to very specific people and to the rest of our community, extending to all of creation.

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Mike
Our sense of purpose may change when life circumstances change. We get married, for instance, and then say, now what? Or a child is born, or a parent dies, or we become disabled. Each time we may be confronted again with the questions. Being open to contact with our world, keeping our barriers down so we stay in touch, restores our awareness of purpose.

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Mike
And since this doesn't have anything official, I'm just going to go say this is the thought of the day. May I continue to respond to the changing phases in life and be open to the renewal of purpose, which is here for me.

00:12:26.81
Bill
I like that. The calling it the thought for the day. it And it does. It really doesn't have a wrap up, a wrap up paragraph.

00:12:30.18
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:12:31.93
Bill
So, yeah, like rather than kind of leaving, leaving it it just kind of open ended like that, whatever reading you did a couple of weeks ago.

00:12:36.08
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:12:37.61
Bill
And I'm like, oh, wait, that that's that's right.

00:12:37.78
Mike
Right. Yeah, right. There's just a line on the page, but I'm going to call it the thought of the day. The touchstones thought of the day.

00:12:48.82
Bill
i You know what? I like that. that's ah these are this Things like that are what's going to keep us on top. Okay, so keep it up.

00:12:56.29
Mike
That's right.

00:12:56.98
Bill
this is not we' We're just adding two, right? That's not changing. This is adding two.

00:13:00.34
Mike
No.

00:13:01.18
Bill
Okay.

00:13:01.43
Mike
this this

00:13:02.01
Bill
Everyone, if you liked that change, info.

00:13:02.51
Mike
Yep. Go vote for us.

00:13:06.55
Bill
Yeah, yeah go fucking vote for us.

00:13:07.05
Mike
What a fucking whore. Mm hmm. Uh huh.

00:13:10.90
Bill
If like what you hear, vote for us.

00:13:14.32
Mike
Right. Mm

00:13:14.84
Bill
And yes, I'm a whore. You know what I was going to do? i was going to actually do ah do a post, but I'm trying to think what the right way to do it because some people might take it the wrong way.

00:13:20.92
Mike
hmm. aha

00:13:22.78
Bill
But I was going to be like, ah if we had you on our podcast, we helped you whore your shit. Now go whore ours. But i didn' I didn't do that, so. You know we can it would it would be nice ah that this would be a nice time to have a mailing list and just say, hey, you know, if you get a minute, go on there and vote for us.

00:13:30.62
Mike
right

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Bill
But um I don't know. There's been a lot of people that I think some I know there's a number of people that we've had on that, you know, do follow us. So hopefully we'll get a little of back.

00:13:44.95
Mike
who

00:13:46.86
Bill
But all right.

00:13:47.42
Mike
Right.

00:13:48.58
Bill
So the the last statement, again, i will continue to and I I can't remember now what it just said, even though you said it literally a minute ago.

00:13:53.91
Mike
Right. ah he i ah Let me read it again then.

00:13:56.54
Bill
ah

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Mike
May I continue to respond to the changes changing phases in life and be open to the renewal of purpose which is here for me.

00:14:08.66
Bill
Okay. So um changing phases in life, or I guess that statement in general, um how do you prepare yourself or or how have you, whether it's, and maybe it's not even such a big deal now, but is it, is it still a big deal being prepared for the changing phases in life? Or, I mean, clearly I'm guessing it was harder in the beginning, but I don't know. Tell me that, what was the difference do you think for you?

00:14:30.97
Mike
I mean,

00:14:32.70
Bill
ah

00:14:33.53
Mike
all yeah, you know, ah shit changes sometimes. um

00:14:38.10
Bill
Right.

00:14:38.87
Mike
And, um you know, actually some shit is changing in my life and it's fine. But, um yeah, you know, um it's...

00:14:43.77
Bill
Yeah, you it's...

00:14:47.22
Mike
ah Yeah, again, yeah it comes back to being prepared for, you know, having the foundation built um that it doesn't it doesn't fucking matter what life throws at you.

00:15:00.53
Mike
um You know, if that foundation is strong and and you can. you know stand on that foundation lean lean doesn't work but the walls are built on the foundation and so you know we've built up we've got some shit built up on that foundation and that we can lean on and um yeah you know it's so we use the supports that we've built and um yeah so i mean it doesn't really matter what life fucking throws at you you know uh The foundation is there.

00:15:15.33
Bill
Right.

00:15:30.13
Mike
The supports are there. the The walls and the roof and whatever, man. I can i can weather some shit today. and So, yeah, it's the basics.

00:15:42.82
Mike
You know, if your basics are in place, it it doesn't really matter. I mean, what i what I really liked about the reading was, you know, maintaining the purpose, you know, because that's, you know, ah you think you have, you know, you're you're working towards something and and then you have a purpose or whatever.

00:15:52.25
Bill
Right.

00:15:59.70
Mike
and And, hey, you know, sometimes that changes. and But you have to remain open you know, continuing to have a purpose even if maybe that purpose shifts you know i mean the again comes back to the foundation the basic purpose of our lives should be you know doesn't matter what the circumstances are you know to you know to put it in a nutshell make our little corner of the world a better place ah to coin a phrase

00:16:28.70
Bill
Right.

00:16:31.10
Mike
Um, but yeah, you know, sometimes that changes, but you know, you have to shift your focus and whatever, but that's still the main purpose, the main foundation. And, um, yeah, you know, that's, that's how, you know, being, being open to it. Cause I mean, when, when the circumstances shift sometimes, like it says in the reading, you know, sometimes you get confused, man. It's a fuck. I thought I was doing this and, I'm working towards something and um guess I'm not, guess I'm working towards something else. But as long as the, the basic purpose of your life can remain this and it can remain the same, no matter what the circumstances are, if that foundation is strong enough.

00:17:17.05
Mike
So, yeah.

00:17:19.19
Bill
Yeah, you know, and I wrote down the, when you mentioned purpose, I did write down a sense of purpose, not fixed. And it did talk about the later in the reading sense of purpose, you know, changes and blah, blah, blah, you know, kind of along with that or whatever it said.

00:17:26.60
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:17:30.70
Mike
Right. o

00:17:31.48
Bill
But, you know, and you're right. I mean, the... what were, and I mean, God, I think about, I don't know, I mean, even, you know, five years ago or 10 years ago, or even, I don't know, maybe two years ago, you know, whatever, whatever my purpose was or whatever my sense of purpose was, what I was working towards, I know has changed from, you know, from work level, from, well, I mean, how I, how I live, I mean, literally, you know, where I live and stuff like that and what's important to me.

00:17:42.58
Mike
Right.

00:17:47.61
Mike
is it

00:17:54.87
Mike
Right.

00:17:56.54
Bill
And, you know, my, my life is no longer, i mean, my life, my, my past, as far as things, you know, sitting in Germantown, Wisconsin in a 10 by 15 storage unit, you know, they keep fucking me on.

00:18:02.31
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:18:08.12
Bill
I want to go down to about a 10 by 10 and then get rid of some of the stuff I have been there to begin with. But, um, but you know, the, and I don't care about that shit anymore.

00:18:12.63
Mike
Right? Mm-hmm.

00:18:15.72
Bill
I don't care about titles. I don't care about anything. And I don't even care about the, and we've talked about this, but the, my sense of purpose is not to, I don't need to reach a level of anything, you know, except for comfort, you know, and, and comfort is subjective too.

00:18:27.19
Mike
Right? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

00:18:31.62
Bill
You know, it's, I mean, what i'm I'm comfortable right now, but when I think about comfort, I'm like, okay, on every level. am i Like I was talking about after my whole medical thing, you know is is every part of my life good?

00:18:40.44
Mike
Right.

00:18:43.22
Bill
And you know the one part that is little frazzled for me is my work life, you know which is my my money in that that sort of thing affects every other part of my life.

00:18:47.42
Mike
Right.

00:18:51.02
Bill
You know, so all that I want, I want to be able to earn enough money um to be able to to do some of the things that I want to do and be comfortable so i i don't have to um fret, you know, about about finances, you know.

00:18:51.25
Mike
Yep.

00:19:06.55
Mike
Right.

00:19:06.77
Bill
And it it was funny, ah just a real quick side note on that. And, you know, it's kind of funny that he says it because he's a fucking millionaire, but... I'm listening to Joe Rogan. ah It was one of his episodes a little while ago.

00:19:18.12
Bill
He said the he said the my he goes, my first measure of wealth. And he goes, clearly it's changed. I mean, he's not he doesn't try to hide the fact that he's fucking filthy rich, you know, but he's not egotistical about he doesn't throw he doesn't seem like he flaunts his money around, at least not verbally, if if that makes sense.

00:19:26.41
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

00:19:32.50
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right. Yeah.

00:19:35.22
Bill
Um, but he said that he goes, my first measure of wealth was when I was able to go to a restaurant, regardless of how many people were with me and not have to worry about what people ordered whether I could pay the bill.

00:19:43.56
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:19:47.13
Mike
Right.

00:19:47.64
Bill
And I'm like, that's a pretty goddamn good measure of, cause God only knows what you fucking people are going to order, you know?

00:19:50.26
Mike
Yeah.

00:19:53.57
Mike
Yeah. Goddamn animals.

00:19:54.59
Bill
Yeah. Well, yeah, you know what I mean? You could end up with, you know, it's, it could be, you know, what normally would be 150 bucks for the number of people is, you know, turns out to be a thousand dollars cause people got all this other shit.

00:19:57.33
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:20:04.82
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:20:05.24
Bill
um You know, but that, yeah, I mean, purpose does change. But, um you know, like you said, weathering some shit. And one more quick side note, and I had it had it written out before, but you mentioned old a couple of times. A belated happy birthday to you, my friend.

00:20:15.34
Mike
Ah. Oh, yes. Well, thank you.

00:20:17.59
Bill
Which I know you don't really care much about it, but I'm still just throwing a little bit at you.

00:20:20.12
Mike
Yeah.

00:20:22.39
Bill
Mike's birthday was on was on the 18th, and he's not he's not yet old, old, but he's fucking old.

00:20:22.51
Mike
right.

00:20:25.85
Mike
m

00:20:27.50
Bill
But so am I.

00:20:27.96
Mike
Getting there. Yeah, right.

00:20:28.98
Bill
here

00:20:29.60
Mike
Less than a year away from 60. Yeah.

00:20:31.93
Bill
Well, I wasn't even going to say it. I was going to, I'm just trying to give it it to you a little bit, but that's okay. But, but no, I mean, weathering stuff, you know, is it, I mean, what, what's going to happen, you know, today, what's going to happen tomorrow, that sort of thing.

00:20:43.77
Bill
And we've, we've had enough examples, I think personally, you know, of shit happening again, thankfully.

00:20:47.63
Mike
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

00:20:50.46
Bill
I don't know. I was just thinking about it a second ago that, um, I'm, I'm really, i'm I'm grateful that, that certain things that have happened to other people have not happened to me. That's number one.

00:21:00.78
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:21:01.04
Bill
I mean, I don't think that's selfish to feel that way.

00:21:01.53
Mike
Sure. no

00:21:03.36
Bill
Um, but I'm also on one side, I'm like, well, I wish that these things that happened to me didn't happen to be.

00:21:07.16
Mike
a

00:21:08.20
Bill
And then I had some of the good that these other people are are happening. But then again, you know, that goes into that. That's a fucking dangerous game, you know?

00:21:14.61
Mike
Yeah, right. Well, that's comparing. We know how dangerous that can be.

00:21:18.55
Bill
Exactly. And so, so,

00:21:19.03
Mike
Right. you Compare your ass right out of the rooms.

00:21:20.89
Bill
Right. You know, so, so as soon as I started thinking that I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? It doesn't matter.

00:21:25.50
Mike
Right.

00:21:25.97
Bill
You know, whatever, whatever, whatever he or she has, he or she's probably, yeah, or doesn't, you know, he or she's probably either really ecstatic or really un-fucking-happy anyhow.

00:21:26.63
Mike
Doesn't.

00:21:29.14
Mike
Or doesn't.

00:21:35.66
Bill
So what the fuck do I care?

00:21:36.08
Mike
Yeah.

00:21:37.18
Bill
You know?

00:21:37.46
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:21:37.64
Bill
Right.

00:21:38.06
Mike
Yeah. doesn' it Doesn't matter. i Yeah. what' What's going on over there is over there. And I got nothing to do with it. No control over it. You know, whatever. Yeah.

00:21:48.30
Mike
It doesn't matter. Right.

00:21:49.81
Bill
Right.

00:21:49.82
Mike
If that guy's got, you know, whatever, he's got, you know, millions of dollars or fucking cancer, it doesn't matter. doesn't affect me one way or another.

00:21:59.06
Bill
Right. Right. And, you know, the, the first things that, uh, that I wrote down on there was just talking about the why, you know, if you have your why you could bear any how. Um, and we talked about that because there, there are, you know, so many times where, you know, people start, you know, fucking beating around the bush on certain things.

00:22:07.29
Mike
Yep.

00:22:13.56
Bill
I'm like, just fucking tell me what the deal is. I don't.

00:22:15.72
Mike
Yeah.

00:22:16.76
Bill
Okay. It's, it's, it's never that I don't care what the, what the thing is.

00:22:19.64
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:22:20.30
Bill
Cause of course I care.

00:22:20.46
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:22:21.36
Bill
You know, but whatever the thing is, I need to, for me to be able to process it and deal with it, whether it's really good or really fucking horrible, I need to know.

00:22:21.56
Mike
Right.

00:22:26.94
Mike
Yeah. Yep.

00:22:30.07
Mike
Yeah.

00:22:31.59
Bill
And then that's the only fucking way I could deal with it. So yeah, give me, give me the why or give me the thing.

00:22:34.04
Mike
Yeah.

00:22:36.75
Bill
And it says you can bear any how.

00:22:37.18
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:22:38.95
Bill
And I'm like, oh, that's fucking perfect.

00:22:39.35
Mike
Yeah.

00:22:40.59
Bill
I love it. Right.

00:22:41.27
Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

00:22:44.40
Bill
Yeah.

00:22:44.47
Mike
And I could, yeah. Can, will, and shall.

00:22:46.68
Bill
ah

00:22:50.64
Bill
You know, the the funny thing was that there was to a couple of different times when they said it. But first of all, the the what's the point? You know, you get to certain things.

00:22:57.02
Mike
Right.

00:22:57.22
Bill
You're like, oh what's the point? And then then the other one was, you know, when they were talking about new circumstances, which are always going to happen. It's like, well, now what? Well, what the fuck now?

00:23:04.55
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

00:23:05.68
Bill
if You know, now what? Well, ah well now what? it just It just is what it is. So, again, I was going i was going down this road.

00:23:10.58
Mike
Yeah.

00:23:12.23
Bill
And then, what well, now what? Well, I guess i go well I got to go over here. You know, I got to go down this road.

00:23:15.31
Mike
Yeah.

00:23:16.35
Bill
Maybe you got to back up a couple of minutes and, you know, retract something and then, you know, not backwards in our sobriety, of course, but just in life shit.

00:23:16.77
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:23:20.21
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

00:23:24.23
Bill
And then, you know, the what's the point is it's fucking life. That's what the goddamn point is.

00:23:28.95
Mike
Yeah.

00:23:29.67
Bill
Right.

00:23:30.42
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. The point is I'm moving forward. Yeah.

00:23:35.51
Bill
Right. Right. But yeah, that was it. It's it's funny. And like you said, you know, i I posted part of the reading and the biggest problem with with some of these readings, because, again, they're on my phone, is that, you know, and well, you you end up with the same thing in a regular book is, they you know, sometimes the reading will flip over, if you know, from page to page.

00:23:52.86
Mike
Sure.

00:23:53.28
Bill
And there's been a couple of times, maybe only two or three times that I've actually taken, i I'll post both pictures. you knowll It'll be the nice even page.

00:24:01.02
Mike
Right.

00:24:02.69
Bill
It'll give me a good post on you know two pages.

00:24:05.65
Mike
Right.

00:24:05.94
Bill
But nine times out of 10, it's not as fucking disjointed. And don't think people look at the second page anyhow. So I try to cut down an important, you know, the, the most poignant part of the reading.

00:24:12.95
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

00:24:15.61
Bill
And with touchstones, I try to stay away from the, of the male centered part of the readings.

00:24:19.29
Mike
Sure. Mm-hmm.

00:24:20.05
Bill
You know, if I, if I can, um you know, or I grab something else. I mean, I had the, like today I posted, um, I had one from, think I had one from touchstones, but I posted the one from the 24 hour book.

00:24:31.36
Bill
And it was it was talking about a second.

00:24:31.60
Mike
Hmm.

00:24:34.70
Bill
I'm just going to grab it because I think it was it was one that mean, when I first saw it, I'm like, yeah do I really want to post something from the fucking 24 hour book?

00:24:40.69
Mike
Sure. Mm-hmm.

00:24:41.90
Bill
But I do every once in a while. It says ah liquor used to be my friend.

00:24:43.45
Mike
sure

00:24:45.98
Bill
I used to have a lot of fun drinking, practically all the fun I had connected with drinking, blah, blah, blah. But I know what happened. I began to get into trouble, realize liquor is now my enemy. And then it's like making a living or keeping house.

00:24:57.14
Bill
You know, keeping house is kind of an old time term, an older term, but it says it's no longer my main business secondary to the business of keeping sober.

00:24:59.64
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:25:04.78
Bill
And it reminded me of January 6th and whatever.

00:25:04.92
Mike
Right.

00:25:06.54
Bill
So i'm like, you know what Fuck it.

00:25:07.12
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:25:07.54
Bill
I'm good. I'm going to post that.

00:25:08.84
Mike
Yeah.

00:25:09.27
Bill
And the only thing I do with the 24 hour book is it says aa thought for the day. I white out the aa part that just turns out to be the thought for the day.

00:25:13.61
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

00:25:17.30
Bill
You know, kind of like kind of like you do now with the the touchstones thought for the day.

00:25:17.49
Mike
Right. Yes. Yes. Mm-hmm. yes yes

00:25:24.25
Bill
But yeah, I mean, I did. I mean, clearly I liked the reading cause i posted something from it, but just in general, mean, reading it again or listening to it again, i definitely enjoyed it. So anything else out of the reading that, you know, kind of jumped out or stuck out for you?

00:25:37.02
Mike
No, no, just, you know, whatever. um The thing that I took from it was, and and I kind of already said it, but yeah, you know, our purpose remains the same, even if we're not, you know, the circumstances change, our purpose has to remain the same.

00:25:51.96
Mike
Yeah. And, and again, that comes back to foundation, you know, um, you can, you can adapt your purpose to any circumstance as long as you, as your purpose is strong and and good and pure and unselfish and loving.

00:26:02.26
Bill
Right.

00:26:08.66
Mike
Right.

00:26:09.30
Bill
hey yeah

00:26:11.62
Mike
Absolutes, man. Yeah. You know, as long as your purpose is, is, brought you know, your special purpose. Hi there. Straight and true.

00:26:19.19
Bill
Yeah.

00:26:20.22
Mike
um Yeah, you know, you can apply it to any circumstance.

00:26:20.57
Bill
Right. Yeah.

00:26:25.64
Mike
And that's good because the circumstances will change.

00:26:30.22
Bill
Right. Well, and that's it. That's the thing, too. And you talk about it all the time, you know, and I ah once again, I usually look at the I don't always look at the the other side of whatever this the topic is we're talking about.

00:26:40.20
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:26:40.72
Bill
Like if a if a word happens to normally have a negative connotation, I don't necessarily look at what the positive side of it is.

00:26:45.04
Mike
Right.

00:26:47.60
Bill
But then, you know, one of the main things that you said is, I mean, you know, don't worry about things. Things will change because people always talk about. you know when When things happen, walk through it. and Usually people are thinking of the of the ah negative circumstance, but but you know what?

00:26:56.24
Mike
Right.

00:26:59.13
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:27:00.63
Bill
the The really good fucking moment or day or thing or whatever it is that you're having right now, that's going to change too.

00:27:05.01
Mike
Mm-hmm. That's going to change too. Damn right.

00:27:07.71
Bill
is First time you said that, I was just kind of like, oh. you know because i mean I know better, but you know it just is it's like, well why did you have to say it though?

00:27:17.92
Bill
Yeah.

00:27:17.96
Mike
said it out loud. God damn it, it makes it real.

00:27:21.08
Bill
Oh, fuck, I got something on that, too. I'll get to it a minute. But um but yeah, and the other thing that i just I just thought about that I don't remember when it came up, where did you ever um come up with the, or or when did you start saying, I think it was out here, making our corner of the world ah a better place.

00:27:38.12
Bill
Was that just on here? Is that something you heard previously? Or do you do you know?

00:27:41.59
Mike
I mean, it's, you know what? I think I read something very similar to it, like within the last couple of weeks out of one of the readings. um

00:27:50.14
Bill
Oh, really?

00:27:51.00
Mike
Yeah, yeah, that that I went, oh, hey, look at that. I mean, it wasn't, you know, the phrasing wasn't exactly the same, but the the intent was definitely there.

00:27:55.26
Bill
but

00:27:59.06
Bill
Right.

00:28:01.00
Mike
And, you know, i may have started using that group a long time ago. I mean, it's been with me a long time.

00:28:06.90
Bill
Oh, really? Okay. Right.

00:28:08.33
Mike
Yeah, you know, it wasn't it wasn't just on here. um I've certainly exploited it out here. ah But um yeah you know yeah, it's been around for a long time.

00:28:20.09
Mike
And like I said, it may have been... ah It may have been, um God grant me, you know, that the reading of hell, it might have been the 24-hour book, but I don't think so.

00:28:29.34
Bill
Right.

00:28:30.33
Mike
um I don't know. i don't Again, i read something within the last few weeks for sure that I went, oh, wow, that's real fucking close to Mickey.

00:28:42.05
Mike
Yeah.

00:28:43.00
Bill
yeah

00:28:43.32
Mike
So, yeah, you know, clearly there are no new original ideas. Nothing we say is original. Anything good is original.

00:28:51.51
Bill
Right.

00:28:52.60
Mike
um But, yeah, that was one that just, yeah, I've had it for a long time. And, um you know, kind of my own phrasing, I think, but I definitely stole the idea somewhere.

00:29:04.41
Bill
ah Yeah, you know, and it's just, I've never, I've really never crossed my mind until just now when you were talking about it. I'm like, kind I just don't remember. I knew you, like you said, exploit. I think that's a funny way to put it, you know, exploit the hell out of it on here.

00:29:14.68
Mike
Right. Right. Right.

00:29:15.99
Bill
But um I like it and it's it's great. And obviously we've got it. I think I've got at least one of our Instagram posts that I use on a semi-regular basis, but I just didn't know.

00:29:24.86
Mike
right

00:29:25.84
Bill
But yeah, it is funny every once in a while. and And I've said this before, I know to you and I believe on here, I'll run across things. I'll sit there and I'll sit down and I'll watch an old movie or flip into it. Like I watch an old TV show or something and there'll be some phrase on there.

00:29:38.76
Bill
And i'm like, like, oh, fuck, that's where I got that from.

00:29:41.18
Mike
a

00:29:42.04
Bill
And whatever it is, I can't pinpoint anything. I can't remember anything right now, but um it'll be something that said ah same deal.

00:29:46.07
Mike
Right.

00:29:49.44
Mike
Yeah.

00:29:49.59
Bill
Maybe not the exact word or words, but it's yeah, that's where I got it from.

00:29:51.77
Mike
he

00:29:54.36
Mike
Right.

00:29:54.71
Bill
I'm like, like Jesus Christ. Yeah.

00:29:56.41
Mike
Yeah. Oh, ah ah as you were saying that. um Okay. So one of my absolute favorite um artists in the world, Johnny Thunders, right? New York Dolls, Heartbreakers.

00:30:06.16
Bill
Right.

00:30:07.10
Mike
Yeah. You know, big old tattoo on my arm um in his memory. You know, he was a junkie. He was fucking, you know, he's my fucking hero. Anyway, um one of his most famous songs is You Can't Put Your Arms From Out of Memory.

00:30:20.82
Mike
And um this was, God, I think early in sobriety. Um, probably a couple of years in whatever I was watching an old, an old episode of the honeymooners and, um, and Ralph Cramden says, you can't put your arms from out the memory.

00:30:37.45
Mike
And it was like, holy shit.

00:30:39.96
Bill
ah

00:30:40.33
Mike
And then I dug deeper and yeah, that's where he got that from was fucking the honeymooners.

00:30:47.30
Bill
That's funny.

00:30:47.35
Mike
ah You know, yeah, right. So, I mean, you know, that 30 years after he wrote the song and, you know, 60 years after it was uttered on television, ah longer than that, 70, 80 years, like that.

00:30:57.18
Bill
hey

00:31:01.91
Mike
um yeah anyway um put those two together fifteen years ago something like that And yeah, so I mean, you know, again, no no original ideas anywhere.

00:31:08.23
Bill
Right.

00:31:13.79
Mike
um We're just recycling the same good shit, hopefully.

00:31:20.02
Bill
Yeah. And I, I agree 100% because there's a, mean, especially in, in recovery, you figure the, and I mean, not again, I don't go to a lot of meetings, you know, over the last you know handful of years, but um just even that the number of meetings that we went to in, in the first, I don't know, call it the first five years, you know, and, you know, for the first couple years we were going every, every day, if not, you know, I was doing, even when I worked late nights, I was doing four meetings a week.

00:31:30.34
Mike
Right.

00:31:36.92
Mike
Right.

00:31:41.56
Mike
Right.

00:31:45.04
Bill
Cause I like Sunday, I might not hit a meeting when I went down by mom and Larry, but

00:31:45.47
Mike
huh Right. Right.

00:31:49.21
Bill
whatever. I mean, you start adding up in all the fucking bullshit that sputtered at meetings, um, you know, good stuff and bad stuff and whatever it is, all the, all the things that are uttered, all the words.

00:31:51.22
Mike
Yeah.

00:31:53.92
Mike
Right. Right. Right. Mm-hmm.

00:32:00.05
Bill
Um, I mean, I don't know where I heard half this shit.

00:32:00.40
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:32:02.46
Bill
It's just no way.

00:32:02.71
Mike
Right.

00:32:03.83
Bill
I mean, some of this stuff, you know, really, I mean, we can credit, you know, certain people, um, you know, with certain really poignant statements that we, that we had, but,

00:32:08.32
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:32:11.29
Mike
Right. Yeah. And guaranteed they got it from somebody else.

00:32:15.80
Bill
Oh God. Yeah. Yeah.

00:32:16.66
Mike
Yeah, right, because, yeah, none none of the...

00:32:16.72
Bill
It wasn't, it wasn't a Dan. It wasn't a Dan original.

00:32:20.38
Mike
Right, exactly. Pretty sure Joe heard it from fucking Bob, and Bob heard it from somebody else, and that person heard it from somebody else, and, you know, right.

00:32:30.78
Mike
And, you know, and thankfully in our area, it probably went back to fucking Dr.

00:32:31.16
Bill
Right.

00:32:34.70
Mike
Bob or goddamn Bill or Sister Ignatia or whatever, Yeah.

00:32:41.11
Bill
Yeah. You read something, in the big book and you're like, holy fuck. That's where Joe got that from.

00:32:44.82
Mike
Yeah, right, exactly.

00:32:45.46
Bill
but

00:32:46.02
Mike
Yeah, and they lifted it out of the fucking Bible or some bullshit. you So, right, yeah, exactly.

00:32:49.94
Bill
Right.

00:32:51.77
Mike
Yeah, you know, no no original ideas, just but, you know, let's let's focus on those good ones and let's recycle them and, yeah, maybe modernize them a little but so the kids can understand it, but, you know.

00:33:04.26
Bill
Right.

00:33:06.68
Bill
You know what, and speaking of that, night I was going to bring it up anyhow, but I actually wanted to, because I think we'll have time tonight, if we want to take the time, I wanted to talk a little bit about the big book, maybe read how it works if we want to.

00:33:12.95
Mike
Hmm.

00:33:15.86
Mike
Yeah.

00:33:17.12
Bill
But you just kind of made up made a good point there, that i and it was something I was going to wrap into anyhow because of something I heard on a podcast.

00:33:17.18
Mike
ah

00:33:23.16
Bill
But first, the um what you just said, you know, oh, God, now we said it out loud type of thing, right?

00:33:28.15
Mike
Right.

00:33:28.70
Bill
So remember, remember last weekend or last last weekend, last week when we were talking about superstition and whatever, and I'm like, I'm like, I'm i'm not fucking superstition about any anything. You know, I'll do my recovery a certain way.

00:33:38.90
Bill
But, you know, I mean, somebody will say that, you know, I haven't had a speeding ticket in years.

00:33:39.35
Mike
Right.

00:33:43.19
Bill
People like, don't say that you're going to get pulled over.

00:33:45.34
Mike
Mm-hmm, right? Uh-huh.

00:33:46.10
Bill
And I'm like, I'm like, fucking, I don't care. I'll say it all day. And I did. I said it out loud. Well, guess what?

00:33:51.26
Mike
Did you get a speeding ticket?

00:33:52.89
Bill
No, I got pulled over though. I got pulled over.

00:33:54.60
Mike
Oh, nice.

00:33:55.90
Bill
Yeah, and literally it was coming out of, it was last weekend, coming out of Kathy's. I had just gotten on the on the highway, and, you know, i mean, I don't even know how long I was on the highway, 10 minutes, 15 minutes, something like that.

00:34:01.02
Mike
Yeah.

00:34:07.08
Mike
Yeah.

00:34:07.83
Bill
And I'm over in, you know, I'm in the far left-hand lane, and usually when I get on on the highway there, and and I'm cranking and cars are cranking and where I'm going with the flow, and I'm not, I'm not being, I didn't feel like I was being reckless or anything like that, but, all of sudden I look at my, yeah just look at my rear view mirror and there's a cop with the lights on.

00:34:10.50
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:34:18.17
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:34:23.92
Bill
to move over to middle lane. She moves over right behind me. Next lane moves over right behind me. I'm like, motherfucker. I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? And I'm like, I'm literally laughing to myself. Cause I'm like, I just said this.

00:34:33.74
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:34:35.22
Bill
I just said this.

00:34:35.35
Mike
Yep, right. Right.

00:34:37.17
Bill
So it is ah it's a chick. She comes up to the car and she's like, get i she goes, you know, what do you know why I pulled you over? And I said, I had no idea. you know and she's ah And she's like, well, you were speeding.

00:34:48.49
Bill
And she goes, you know how fast you were going? And I said, I didn't even know I was speeding. I said, I thought I was going with traffic. I said, I'm sorry.

00:34:53.99
Mike
Yeah.

00:34:54.53
Bill
I like i can't even answer the question. I'm just being honest. And she goes, you know what you know what the speed limit is here?

00:34:57.21
Mike
Right.

00:34:59.69
Bill
And I look around and just just up in the distance, I see 55.

00:35:03.48
Mike
na

00:35:04.25
Bill
And I said, well, I can see now it's 55 miles hour.

00:35:07.13
Mike
a

00:35:07.41
Bill
But I'm like, no, I didn't know. i said I said, I swear I thought I was going with traffic. And I got my car all fucking full and whatever. And she's just kind of looking at You know, cause my back seat's full and all that stuff.

00:35:16.44
Mike
right

00:35:16.77
Bill
And she's like, ah she goes, you know, can I have your license? I said, do you need my registration? She said, yeah. And she goes, up she goes any weapons in the car? And I'm like, no. And she said, um ah more before she left the car, she goes, i probably just said, yeah.

00:35:28.52
Mike
Can opener. Sure. Right.

00:35:31.80
Bill
I do have a knife.

00:35:31.98
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:35:32.56
Bill
i actually do have a knife, come to think of it.

00:35:33.50
Mike
Lately. Uh-huh. Yeah.

00:35:35.80
Bill
but um But she said, she goes, i'm I'm probably just going to give you a warning, but I just need to check you out real quick.

00:35:40.57
Mike
sure right

00:35:40.64
Bill
I'm like, okay. So, um yeah, I mean, she went back and well I said, wait, wait, wait. And again, I haven't done anything, you know, wrong lately.

00:35:46.01
Mike
this is

00:35:48.26
Bill
But at any time, especially like right after we got sober that I got pulled over.

00:35:48.73
Mike
yeah lately

00:35:52.02
Bill
or yeah Yeah, right, you know.

00:35:52.21
Mike
ah

00:35:53.38
Bill
But, I mean, it's like, I don't know. I mean, what what out of my past could jump up on me at some point, you know?

00:35:57.21
Mike
hey ah

00:35:59.48
Bill
I never feel comfortable getting pulled over, but and she's back there a while. I'm just like, Jesus Christ, you going to, I mean, I don't need a ticket. You know, it's, I'm um obviously don't need a ticket, you know, but she came back, gave me a warning, blah, blah, blah.

00:36:07.19
Mike
Yeah. yeah Nobody does. Yeah.

00:36:11.34
Bill
Right. Exactly. But, um, you know, it was, everything was fine. And she's like, she's goes, you know what? Just, just watch your speed. Okay. And I said, okay.

00:36:16.82
Mike
this is

00:36:17.24
Bill
I i said, thank you very much. I appreciate it. Blah, blah, blah. You know, showed her my dick and then I left and it was, it was all good.

00:36:20.18
Mike
Yeah. Yes, right.

00:36:23.00
Bill
So.

00:36:26.58
Bill
but But, no, it was just like, I'm literally when I was getting pulled over, I was laughing because I'm like, this is so fucking stupid. I literally last night, cause as that was Saturday.

00:36:33.40
Mike
There

00:36:35.58
Bill
I'm like last night. I'm just like, like, I don't care about saying shit out loud.

00:36:38.58
Mike
you go.

00:36:38.94
Bill
Then I'm like, I'm like, okay, so I'm going use this to my advantage.

00:36:39.08
Mike
Hmm. Hmm.

00:36:42.04
Mike
oh

00:36:42.73
Bill
I got to say things that I haven't had in a while. I haven't had big, big old fucking boobs in my face in a while. I don't say it out loud.

00:36:46.87
Mike
there you go

00:36:49.42
Bill
Haven't gotten ridden in a while. So, hey let's say it out loud. i haven't won any money lately either. You know?

00:36:55.10
Mike
o

00:36:56.47
Bill
so I'm just going to see how my powers of, you know, if I do have powers, if that was just fucking bullshit, bullshit. I don't want to say bad luck, bullshit luck, but whatever it was, but it is, it's like, same thing I said last week though.

00:37:05.82
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:37:09.75
Bill
I'm, I'm of the opinion that sooner or later, you know, if you drive enough and you speed, you know on a semi-regular basis, you're going to get fucking pulled over.

00:37:16.09
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:37:17.19
Bill
It just is what it is.

00:37:17.53
Mike
Right.

00:37:18.31
Bill
You know, so I went out there.

00:37:18.57
Mike
Yep.

00:37:20.23
Bill
I don't think it's because i said it out loud, but I will say, hey, haven't had boobs in a while again.

00:37:21.67
Mike
There you go. Mm-hmm.

00:37:24.75
Bill
It's OK. I could say stuff like that.

00:37:25.15
Mike
Right.

00:37:26.15
Bill
I haven't won any money in a while. OK, universe.

00:37:28.86
Mike
Right.

00:37:30.17
Bill
Did you hear me? but Yeah. So, yeah, I was I was pretty goddamn thankful that that I didn't get a that I didn't get a ticket.

00:37:35.88
Mike
That's wonderful.

00:37:37.74
Bill
So I know I know. um ah yeah I'll talk about this later. It has to do with my voter registration, but all right. So the, the, the celebrity that I was talking about, and this has to do with alcohol and whatever.

00:37:49.76
Bill
So first of all, I wanted to ask you, um it was a Mardi Gras thing. So have you ever, and once again, I'm sure you've been through.

00:37:54.61
Mike
Yeah. No. Nope.

00:37:56.44
Bill
Okay. But have you ever been to Mardi Gras?

00:37:56.95
Mike
yeah yeah

00:37:59.73
Mike
now

00:38:01.65
Bill
Okay. So you had, okay. Just had never had any desire or just never made it down there.

00:38:06.49
Mike
um I mean, you know, ah yeah, at one point it it sounded kind of cool. It certainly doesn't now.

00:38:14.39
Bill
Right, right.

00:38:15.38
Mike
Right. So, yes, we're going to talk about the French beef, aren't we?

00:38:17.14
Bill
Yeah.

00:38:22.01
Bill
The French beef. Who's the French beef?

00:38:24.72
Mike
Who's the celebrity you're talking about?

00:38:28.21
Bill
Oh, Shia LaBelouf?

00:38:29.60
Mike
Yeah.

00:38:30.70
Bill
Shia LaBelouf?

00:38:30.78
Mike
Right.

00:38:31.54
Bill
Oh, okay.

00:38:31.69
Mike
Yeah.

00:38:31.94
Bill
The French beef?

00:38:32.40
Mike
LaBouf. LaBouf. The beef.

00:38:36.79
Bill
Jesus Christ. I'm like, wait a second. what I'm like, what is that? The French beef? I'm like, did I miss some other story? But yes. So and in the thing with it is that here's the first thing I, I swear to God. And I I've known of this guy since, you know, transformers and all that stuff. I know who he is.

00:38:50.39
Mike
Yeah, um i I know the name, right?

00:38:50.65
Bill
Um, and I know the name, but I, so I thought,

00:38:52.95
Mike
i don't you couldn't I couldn't pick him out of a lineup, but I know the name.

00:38:56.95
Bill
Oh, really? Well, and that's the thing. I know the name. I know the actor because, you know, the Transformer movies. I don't know what else. He's been in a lot of other stuff, I know, but I just know him from, like, the original Transformers and whatever.

00:39:04.63
Mike
Hmm.

00:39:08.15
Bill
He's he's only 39, and I say only. I just i figured he was older than that. You know, but first of all, his name, anyone who knows him knows his name is Shia LaBeouf, but I thought it was Shia LaBeouf.

00:39:12.03
Mike
Hmm. All

00:39:18.83
Mike
right.

00:39:20.54
Bill
That's how much I don't know him. I thought it was Shia LaBeouf. booth like B.O. like John Wilkes booth I didn't know never paid any attention to it so again that's that's as much as I know about the dude but um but yeah so first of all um apparently he's he's down to Mardi Gras and the the terms that have been used are obviously causing trouble fights racial slurs this and that but basically they're saying that he's been terrorizing where he was terrorizing the city yeah

00:39:26.20
Mike
Right, yeah. Yes.

00:39:51.02
Mike
Aha.

00:39:51.51
Bill
And I'm like like, that's a good fucking drug there if you want to ask me about it.

00:39:54.94
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:39:55.59
Bill
But um but here here's the other thing I thought was kind of funny because this is my second question for you. is that i mean First of all, he got he got asked to leave a bar and then wouldn't leave, so they threw him out.

00:40:06.68
Bill
And then apparently when he got out of the bar, he, I guess, attacked somebody, punched one guy, punched somebody else, and then um he was restrained by people and then the the cops came and got him and arrested him.

00:40:07.13
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:40:12.17
Mike
Yeah. Uh-huh.

00:40:18.38
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:40:18.81
Bill
So apparently, you know, after the, he went to jail, processed him, the whole bit, he gets out. So they show him when, out whether it's an hour or two hours, however long later, he's got his, you know, his arrest paperwork is his processing paperwork in his mouth. Just whoo partying.

00:40:36.98
Bill
He just, he wouldn't, he fucking went back down, back down to Mardi Gras, um, apparently went into some shop, bought a hat, sunglasses, and then just grabbed a beer and started taking pictures with people. I guess.

00:40:49.14
Bill
And I'm like, I'm like, okay, so that, that was my second question. I'd be, first of all, terrorizing the streets, whatever, but the but a side question or side thing first, what of the articles said that the actor is supposed to be sober, but I'm like, really?

00:41:03.18
Bill
I've never heard anything about him supposedly supposed to be sober.

00:41:03.67
Mike
Yeah.

00:41:06.62
Bill
But I'm guessing that he he is at least, air quotes, slipped if if he was supposed to be sober.

00:41:06.93
Mike
ahha

00:41:11.70
Mike
yeah

00:41:13.96
Bill
But I had never even heard he was sober. i Not that I know of everyone that that is, but.

00:41:17.46
Mike
I mean, yeah, you know, he's had problems in the past. That much I know. Like I said, i i I don't think I've ever seen him in anything.

00:41:22.64
Bill
Right. Right.

00:41:26.21
Mike
Maybe I have, but I've you know certainly never seen him those Transformer movies. um And... um Yeah, well, he's ah apparently a real piece of work.

00:41:36.88
Mike
um Yeah, he's struggled in the past, right?

00:41:38.49
Bill
Right?

00:41:39.44
Mike
So, um you know, and I'm sure he's been, you know, sent to places and gone to places, and you know, to cause, to cure his back troubles. Yeah.

00:41:49.95
Mike
And, right.

00:41:50.12
Bill
Okay.

00:41:52.95
Mike
And now, i well, I mean, the stories i heard, because Alan Cox was talking about it the other day. And, yeah, apparently the the fight he got into was with ah some gay gentlemen.

00:41:59.86
Bill
okay

00:42:06.05
Mike
um And he was throwing the F.

00:42:07.75
Bill
Oh really? Okay.

00:42:08.17
Mike
Yeah, he was throwing the F word at him. And not fuck. um Yeah.

00:42:13.43
Bill
Right.

00:42:14.93
Mike
and And apparently they lit him up. which I find, i just, I love that.

00:42:20.57
Bill
ah

00:42:22.41
Mike
You know, I like when people try to gay bash and then the gays beat the hell out of them.

00:42:27.83
Bill
Oh, you and the only gays literally literally bash them. That's yeah like it's what they fucking deserve.

00:42:30.49
Mike
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, it was beautiful. So, yeah, that was that that was part of the story, the fight, the quote-unquote fight he got into. Yeah, he was calling them Fs and I believe the whole word, not just the shortened one.

00:42:43.95
Mike
And, ah yeah, you know, and as they said, oh, really?

00:42:45.41
Bill
Yeah.

00:42:47.99
Mike
I hate to tell you this, buddy, but little actor boy, but we're men and we'll show you what kind of men we are. And they did.

00:43:01.37
Bill
Yeah. See, I, I, I only heard um that he, he punched or got our altercations when i heard he punched people and I heard racial slurs, but I didn't, I didn't know that part of it, but that's even, that's,

00:43:07.67
Mike
Yeah. No, it wasn't racial. It was, yeah. It was homophobic.

00:43:13.06
Bill
Oh, homophobic now. I mean, yeah.

00:43:13.94
Mike
Yeah.

00:43:14.96
Bill
And I'm sure that somebody just tried to dress up the article a little bit by saying that, not not saying what it was.

00:43:18.06
Mike
Mm-hmm. Whatever. Uh-huh.

00:43:20.56
Bill
But i wish I wish I would have read that because, I mean, that makes it even better. I'm glad he got his fucking ass kicked by by those guys.

00:43:24.50
Mike
Yeah. Yeah, me too.

00:43:26.64
Bill
You know, that's what you fucking get for being me it homophobic.

00:43:27.54
Mike
Yep. Mm-hmm.

00:43:31.22
Bill
Get your fucking ass beat by the dudes.

00:43:31.42
Mike
Yeah.

00:43:33.91
Mike
Little drunk shithole.

00:43:36.41
Bill
yeah Exactly. i would ah I would have fucking paid to see that.

00:43:40.69
Mike
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

00:43:41.94
Bill
Yeah. Say the... Hey, Shiloh Booth, say the word again.

00:43:45.81
Mike
Yep. Yeah. hey

00:43:47.96
Bill
get your Get your ass kicked one more time, you fucking idiot.

00:43:51.54
Mike
ye

00:43:52.25
Bill
But yeah, I just thought about this. So here here was my sideline question. So did you ever, um you know, in in a situation like that, did you did you ever get arrested and then go back, like get get arrested from ah an event like that and then go back to the party?

00:44:05.11
Bill
Yeah.

00:44:05.50
Mike
um yeah no i no i mean i certainly you know when i got out i'd hit the nearest place with liquor but um yeah you know no no never go back to the party that's fucking stupid why would i why i mean i you know i was a raging drunk but i'm not fucking stupid

00:44:17.20
Bill
Right.

00:44:25.14
Bill
Well, it

00:44:28.50
Bill
Well, and again, i didn't I didn't realize that part of it. So that's the, even go back to, back out drinking after you, after you just got like in the same night after you got loaded or after you got arrested or something like that.

00:44:38.94
Bill
i See, again, I didn't realize that he got his ass beat like that that. That adds a whole new element to it, but that's even more fun.

00:44:42.53
Mike
Uh-huh. Mm-hmm.

00:44:44.90
Bill
But I wonder if that's that's probably why he put the put the hat and glasses on trying not to, maybe those dudes wouldn't see him again and fucking kick his ass all over again.

00:44:48.60
Mike
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

00:44:52.12
Mike
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

00:44:54.14
Bill
But, um yeah, that's that's kind of funny. But today I was just kind of curious. I only – I did – I won't – the details were unimportant. But I – one of the times I got arrested and I got processed. And as soon as I i got out, I called my buddy and had to pick me up and we went to a bar.

00:45:06.81
Mike
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

00:45:07.80
Bill
So I did. So I did. I did that. had to go back to the to the scene of the incident.

00:45:10.39
Mike
Yeah.

00:45:12.08
Bill
But, but yeah, I kept on – did.

00:45:12.47
Mike
No. Find a new scene. Create a new incident.

00:45:15.00
Bill
I did. –

00:45:16.62
Mike
Moving forward.

00:45:16.70
Bill
i did no

00:45:18.07
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:45:18.81
Bill
Exactly. I'm going to take my drunken ass over here and and go get more drunk, but it caused me more trouble that night, so that was that was a good thing. but now i don't know yeah but you When you said the French beef, I was just like, what the... Did I miss something?

00:45:35.16
Bill
No, I know. And I swear to God, Shiloh Booth was that was what I thought his name was.

00:45:39.71
Mike
Whatever.

00:45:39.76
Bill
So once again, that's how that's how much I knew about him. But yeah, i literally did.

00:45:43.32
Mike
right.

00:45:44.13
Bill
I knew the one movie. But I don't know. It just it just cracked me up. I'm like, that's ah that's a really good alcoholic right there. you know And again, it makes more sense now that I knew that he's had he's had, like you said, he's a piece of work.

00:45:50.60
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:45:56.80
Bill
I knew he's had issues.

00:45:57.54
Mike
Yep.

00:45:58.00
Bill
And I guess it wouldn't have surprised me. that you know I mean, all these fucking people go to rehab to try to get, like you said,

00:46:03.04
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:46:03.86
Bill
take care of their back troubles. But I never, I never thought the word sober was ever attached to him, but

00:46:05.66
Mike
Great.

00:46:09.08
Mike
Well, you know, whatever.

00:46:09.88
Bill
but

00:46:11.56
Mike
Yeah.

00:46:11.86
Bill
yeah.

00:46:14.94
Bill
All right. So gosh, we're all gosh, Mike, I think we're almost like right at the, well, we're probably a little gosh, gosh, Mike, what do you think?

00:46:17.56
Mike
Yes. hey Gee whiz, Bill.

00:46:23.71
Bill
Should we take a break and they can listen to, you know, how they can, how can they get actually vote for us?

00:46:28.57
Mike
Yes. Well, gee willikers.

00:46:31.80
Bill
hey

00:46:32.18
Mike
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00:46:46.71
Bill
all right everyone welcome back with with this wonderful podcast did you lose your mind there for a minute or

00:46:55.00
Mike
I don't know. Yeah,

00:46:57.46
Bill
Yeah, and I thought about it too, obviously, with us. we We probably took it. Not that it fucking matters, but it's not literally we haven't been talking for, you know, on recording for 47 minutes. I don't know how long our promo was.

00:47:07.47
Bill
A couple of minutes? Something like that?

00:47:08.41
Mike
yeah something like that.

00:47:08.63
Bill
i don't know. Whatever the fuck it was.

00:47:09.77
Mike
i don't know.

00:47:10.50
Bill
I don't even know either. we just we just We just do what we do, and we get we get nominated. Ain't no big thing. Ain't no thing.

00:47:16.34
Mike
Right.

00:47:17.34
Bill
So do you, do you want to, um do you feel like reading how it works? I mean, we've been talking about doing it. It's, it is one of my, one of my favorite parts of the big book.

00:47:23.48
Mike
We have.

00:47:26.46
Bill
We don't have to, I got plenty of other things I can certainly bring up, but do you, okay.

00:47:29.37
Mike
I mean, we could do it. Yeah. Let's see here.

00:47:33.85
Bill
Do you have your book or, I mean, I actually brought my, I brought my book in.

00:47:34.90
Mike
um i do not have my book with me, but I have my phone with me and somewhere in here is is the big book.

00:47:40.31
Bill
Okay.

00:47:43.32
Mike
I have to look for it. Let's see here.

00:47:46.12
Bill
Oh, feel free. Yeah, if you want to if you want to read it, I was more than happy to...

00:47:47.58
Mike
ah ah Where the hell is it?

00:47:52.22
Bill
hey

00:47:53.66
Mike
Let's see here. um Yeah, fuck. ah do I mean, I know it's in here somewhere. Maybe. Maybe not. I mean, my book's downstairs.

00:48:05.73
Mike
I could...

00:48:07.51
Bill
I have, I actually have, I have my book if you want me to

00:48:10.30
Mike
Well, why don't you go ahead and do it then? Because I'm not seeing where the hell I have it. Wow. Maybe the fucking app that I had decided that it didn't want to be an app anymore.

00:48:24.57
Mike
ah Wow. All right. Yeah, you're going to have to do it.

00:48:29.34
Bill
I can do that. And it's only, well, the part that we read is only, it's two and a half pages or something like that. So, um all right.

00:48:34.82
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:48:35.74
Bill
because So kind of a lead into this, this is from obviously the big book, Alcoholics Anonymous. If somebody is not a 12-stepper, that's what it is. But it literally is, ah it's a chapter, chapter five, which you know is titled How It Works.

00:48:47.12
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:48:47.72
Bill
And you you'll hear in a minute here that it's telling you how it works. And do they, i don't remember at Puritus, do they read How It Works?

00:48:56.44
Mike
Now.

00:48:57.21
Bill
Okay. So that's one, but they, they read a couple of other things, just not how it works. And there was a, a meeting that I went to, um, for actually the, the Wisconsin meetings, the one I went to in Madison and also the one I went to in Mequon, because I used to get there at two of the meetings I went to, I'd volunteer to read it all the time.

00:49:01.30
Mike
Right.

00:49:08.02
Mike
hear

00:49:15.11
Bill
Cause I, I just, I liked it so much and, um, I don't know if it was, it was fun.

00:49:15.63
Mike
Right.

00:49:19.03
Bill
So, All right, so this is the big book version, not the version they read at Founder's Day, which that one's always fun, too.

00:49:23.80
Mike
Right.

00:49:24.99
Bill
We should dig that up at some point. But okay, ready?

00:49:29.34
Mike
Ready.

00:49:30.17
Bill
All right, so Chapter 5, how it works. Rarely have we seen a person fail who has so thoroughly followed our path. Those who do not recover are people who cannot or will not completely give themselves to this simple program.

00:49:41.98
Bill
Usually men and women who are constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves. There are such unfortunates. Okay.

00:49:55.70
Bill
which demands rigorous honesty their chances are less than average there are those two who suffer from grave emotional and mental disorders but many of them do recover if they have the capacity to be honest Our stories disclose in a general way what we used to be like, what happened, and what we are like now. If you decided you want what we have and you are willing to go to any link to get it, then you are ready to take certain steps. At some of these we balked. We thought we could find an easier, softer way, but we could not.

00:50:23.52
Bill
With all the earnestness in our command, we beg of you to be fearless and thorough from the very start. Some of us have tried to hold on to our old ideas and the result was nil until we let go absolutely.

00:50:35.10
Bill
Remember that we deal with alcohol, cunning, baffling, powerful. Without help, it is too much for us. But there is one who has all power. That one is God. May you find him now. Half measures availed us nothing. We stood at the turning point. We asked his protection and care with complete abandon.

00:50:51.86
Bill
Here are the steps we took, which are suggested as a program of recovery. Number one, we admitted we were powerless over alcohol, that our lives had become unmanageable. Number two, came to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.

00:51:06.07
Bill
Number three, made a decision to turn our will and our lives over the care of God as we understood him. number four made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves boy for forgot almost forgot ourselves number five admitted to god to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs number six we're entirely ready to have god remove all these defects of character number seven humbly asked him to remove our shortcomings number eight made a list of all persons we had harmed and became willing to make amends to them all

00:51:37.94
Bill
Number nine, made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others. Number 10, continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it. Number 11, sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood him. praying only for knowledge of his will for us and the power to carry that out.

00:52:00.82
Bill
And number 12, having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics and to practice these principles in all our affairs. Many of us exclaim, what an order, I can't go through with it.

00:52:13.85
Bill
Do not be discouraged. No one among us has been able to maintain anything like perfect adherence to these principles. We are not...

00:52:19.95
Mike
What's the point?

00:52:21.02
Bill
The point is we are not saints, Mike. The point is that that we are willing to grow along spiritual lines. The principles we have set down are guides to progress. We claim spiritual progress rather than spiritual perfection.

00:52:33.78
Bill
Our description of the alcoholic, the chapter to the agnostic, and our personal adventures before and after make make clear three pertinent ideas. A, that we are alcoholic and could not manage our own lives.

00:52:41.88
Mike
a

00:52:48.47
Bill
That probably no human power could have relieved our alcoholism.

00:52:51.96
Mike
C.

00:52:52.97
Bill
That God, that the fish could and would if he were sought.

00:52:54.58
Mike
whom Cod.

00:52:59.18
Bill
Okay, so, um you know, the the big book the big book is what it is for for people that um ah that are into it and for people who aren't, I think.

00:52:59.51
Mike
Right.

00:53:08.45
Bill
I mean, it's it's obviously considered to be, you know, you mentioned the the Bible before. I mean, it's considered to be, you know, our Bible and our, you know, basically our thing for recovery and blah, blah, blah.

00:53:13.48
Mike
Mm hmm. Mm hmm. The textbook.

00:53:19.70
Bill
the textbook i know but i'm just saying that you know people consider it or call it that by if you want to okay let me okay so the textbook the textbook um but the the thing but is in the um i don't know that that chapter and literally it is it's

00:53:23.58
Mike
Well, whatever. There's all kinds of nonsense in the rooms.

00:53:31.80
Mike
Yes.

00:53:38.22
Bill
lays it out right there. That is how everything's supposed to fucking work.

00:53:39.30
Mike
Yeah.

00:53:41.22
Bill
The steps are in there.

00:53:41.68
Mike
Yep.

00:53:42.38
Bill
says we're not perfect.

00:53:42.78
Mike
Yep.

00:53:43.34
Bill
It says all these different things. Let's go through all this different and shit. And, you know, I think that's why I like it so much is just because it is, it's, I don't know.

00:53:46.28
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:53:50.22
Mike
Right.

00:53:53.26
Bill
We've talked about this before. d and I think you you and I were sort of of the same opinion, but you you made a couple of good points about it, figuring that, um you know, some people think that the big book is hard to read.

00:54:04.14
Bill
So you,

00:54:05.01
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:54:05.34
Bill
you understood where people were coming from that i didn't think about it right away but you thought that i mean just the some of the verbiage and some of the things could be considered older or weird right

00:54:08.23
Mike
Sure.

00:54:13.53
Mike
Yeah. Right. I mean, you know, yeah it's, you know, 90 years old.

00:54:19.42
Bill
right

00:54:20.02
Mike
People talk differently back then.

00:54:21.98
Bill
You know, that is, that is true. But know, I just don't, I don't see it as much with, uh, with how it works. I think how it works is just, it's just simple. It's straight, simple, and literally, you know, to the point that, that this is, this is what the deal is, you know?

00:54:36.87
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:54:37.18
Bill
So my, my question was, and the the reason that I wanted to read it is number one, I just, I like it. And, you know, i I didn't know if there'd be any discussion about, you know, the chapter itself, but, Just in general, I just I like it. And even if somebody is not in, you know, a 12 step type of thing, if you if if any part of that made any sense to you, look it up. You know, I mean, it is you can you can read it in a little bit more detail. You can take out the steps. You can take out the fact that they're called steps and all it is there. We've talked about it before. The steps are just the fucking life lessons. That's all that they are.

00:55:07.86
Bill
You know, I think anyone we've agreed and we've had, you know, non-drinkers and non-alcoholics, you know, tell us that, that, hey, you know, if you, if you really, you know, focus on those, they are, they, they can apply to anyone.

00:55:07.99
Mike
Yeah,

00:55:19.10
Bill
Right.

00:55:20.09
Mike
absolutely.

00:55:21.75
Bill
So the other thing that, and it came up with a, um you know, with a, with another ah podcast that I was listening to recently, and it it wasn't to the point where it did, it wasn't an irritant or anything. it was just kind of a side comment, but it made me think about it again. And then you had mentioned that, you know, certain things might be able to be updated or changed or, or whatever. So like a newer generation could, could maybe hold on to or grasp, grasp things a little bit easier. Yeah. Do you think, um I guess, what would be your opinion? are Are there any parts of the big book that you think are, I don't know, I'm not saying change, but do you think that are a little bit harder on maybe a younger or the a more a newer generation?

00:56:03.99
Mike
Probably.

00:56:05.08
Bill
Okay. Right.

00:56:05.27
Mike
Right.

00:56:05.84
Bill
Right.

00:56:07.11
Mike
Yeah. You know, I mean, they're coming out with the fifth edition soon.

00:56:12.41
Bill
right

00:56:12.49
Mike
Um, they're working on it. I've seen some talk about it. They are changing some things. Um, ah I don't know, man. Um, yeah who fucking said this was supposed to be easy um you know who said who said you were supposed to you know be able to figure it all out by yourself you know um hey yeah yes uh some of this the verbiage in the big book is is a little antiquated absolutely um so is fucking shakespeare you know um doesn't mean that, uh, the intent and the stories and and all that aren't wonderful because they are.

00:56:32.49
Bill
Right.

00:56:42.67
Bill
Right.

00:56:45.02
Bill
i

00:56:53.59
Bill
Right.

00:56:54.94
Mike
um yeah, you know, I mean, if you don't understand it, get some help, find somebody that does understand it, that can explain it to you. That's supposed to, that's what you're supposed to fucking do anyway. Um, um, you know, and again, ah Yes, the society has changed and um things are done differently now and sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worse. um

00:57:26.39
Mike
Yeah, you know, i i I'm kind of of the opinion that... ah Those two drunks down in Akron, Ohio, 100 years ago, almost um figured some shit out.

00:57:38.35
Mike
And I think they got pretty much all of it right. You know, and yeah.

00:57:42.18
Bill
Right.

00:57:44.38
Mike
So why fuck with it? Seems to have worked pretty well for quite a while.

00:57:47.26
Bill
Right.

00:57:50.37
Mike
Yeah. You know, and I mean, yes, clearly everybody doesn't work the 12 steps. Everybody doesn't use AA. um You know, there's another program called NA that's basically the same, but they changed some stuff and updated some stuff and made some things easier for whatever reason. Yeah.

00:58:12.38
Mike
but Well, you know, I'm a heroin addict. I can't relate to drunks. Really? Okay.

00:58:17.62
Bill
Right.

00:58:18.35
Mike
You know, I'm a heroin addict. I'm a drug addict. I'm a, I'm an alcoholic. I'm a, a speed freak. I have a pothead.

00:58:28.42
Mike
I, you know, whatever, man um I found that the substance doesn't matter. um that's That's me. um you know The solution is the same for all of it. I found um you know whatever. If it doesn't work for you, find something that does work for you. But to change what works for millions of people, I find a little tough to swallow.

00:58:52.31
Bill
Right. Well, that's how we were, well, what what we have talked about, you know, from from the start on here is that, that you know, there there are literally, um you know, without without question, millions and millions of people.

00:58:56.59
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:59:05.59
Bill
And not just not just here in the U.S., but all over the world, you know.

00:59:06.21
Mike
Yeah. Right. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah.

00:59:10.46
Bill
So when people talk about, you know, that it that it's old and antiquated, well, it it is, you know, to a certain extent in certain parts of it, like you said, you know, the words and maybe some of the, I was even,

00:59:16.74
Mike
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Right. So is Judaism and Christianity and Buddhism.

00:59:23.86
Bill
Correct.

00:59:24.40
Mike
and Yeah, right.

00:59:24.86
Bill
Yep.

00:59:25.32
Mike
They're all fucking old.

00:59:26.58
Bill
Right. I mean, that's any, yeah any type, any type of organized religion, you know, the, the books that you're looking at are, is old. They're all old.

00:59:33.05
Mike
Yeah.

00:59:33.42
Bill
They're all fucking old.

00:59:33.69
Mike
Yeah.

00:59:34.42
Bill
Um, you know, but the thing of it is, is that I, I'm always of the opinion that, or people like, Oh, it's, it's God, this, or it's God, that, whatever, whatever people want to say about it, it it works here and it works in all these other fucking countries around the world too.

00:59:43.35
Mike
this is

00:59:47.26
Bill
And so all these other people, you know, different cultures, different backgrounds, worshiping different things, far, far different than, than we do here.

00:59:47.31
Mike
Yeah.

00:59:55.13
Mike
Right.

00:59:55.16
Bill
I mean, far, far different and it works for them, you know?

00:59:55.55
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:59:58.58
Bill
So here,

00:59:58.71
Mike
Yeah. Well, yeah. And then everybody that's, well, hopefully everyone that's listening knows I'm an atheist. So apparently, yeah, it's, it's not too godly good because it fucking works for me and I don't believe in God.

01:00:05.42
Bill
right.

01:00:11.27
Bill
Right.

01:00:14.23
Mike
Yeah.

01:00:14.51
Bill
Yeah.

01:00:14.55
Mike
So, you know, whatever. Yeah. I mean, the the program works if you work it, so work it cause you're worth it. But yeah, yeah. but yeah

01:00:23.96
Bill
let's Let's all hug.

01:00:25.76
Mike
That's kumbaya, motherfuckers. Right. But yes um yes, it's hard. It's tough to understand. Yeah, goddamn right it is.

01:00:36.96
Mike
So...

01:00:38.93
Bill
Right.

01:00:38.98
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:00:39.87
Bill
Right. Yeah. And it's, a I don't know, it'll be interesting to see what, what they, what they come up with, with this new edition. The, my, I guess, I don't know. It's just my, my opinion is that it's like listening to, I mean, a record from, you know, 40 years ago, you know, I mean, maybe, maybe those things that you, you made a good, you were just talking about Jimi Hendrix, you know, whatever it was a couple of weeks ago, you're like, he did some really good things with a, with a guitar.

01:00:59.29
Mike
Right.

01:01:02.92
Bill
But I mean, you know, that,

01:01:03.38
Mike
Yeah.

01:01:04.47
Bill
At that time.

01:01:05.59
Mike
Yeah, 60 years ago.

01:01:05.62
Bill
Okay. So yeah, I mean, he was still fucking Jimi Hendrix, you know, but was he the greatest on earth?

01:01:09.27
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:01:10.73
Bill
No, but you know, he, he did his thing at that time or the people that, you know, have done better and grown from it, blah, blah, blah.

01:01:13.91
Mike
Right. Right.

01:01:16.25
Bill
Yes. But you know, it's not like people are taking Jimi Hendrix's music and saying, well, we're going to change it now. Yeah.

01:01:22.36
Mike
Right.

01:01:22.97
Bill
you know or taking you know taking anything taking you your your favorite band the alice cooper group back from the back in the day and and actually literally changing their music or taking the original fucking van halen album and and changing the music because well they don't do that anymore yeah that's old

01:01:28.50
Mike
Right. easy Right. Right. Yeah. It's old.

01:01:39.54
Mike
Yeah, that's old. Right. Yeah. Elvis. Oh, that's, you know, fuck man.

01:01:43.90
Bill
oh

01:01:44.11
Mike
70 years old. 75 years old. Yeah.

01:01:46.81
Bill
Let's fucking strip the Beatles of all their fucking horrible music.

01:01:46.83
Mike
oh

01:01:50.41
Bill
That's really fucking old.

01:01:51.32
Mike
Right. Yeah, exactly. You know.

01:01:54.97
Bill
But Beethoven.

01:01:55.83
Mike
yeah Yeah, right.

01:02:01.46
Bill
if If we're going to get fucking serious now, yeah. Yeah, let's go after let's go after fucking Beethoven.

01:02:04.47
Mike
Yeah. That's right.

01:02:08.54
Bill
But I don't know. this yeah the The thing of it is, like Mike just said a minute ago, we talked about it before, is that, I mean, our opinion is that, um you know, the that we we're not the only two people on this on this planet, clearly, that that like, you know, AA the way it is, that like the program the way it is, that like the big book the way that it is.

01:02:25.20
Mike
Yeah.

01:02:29.29
Bill
We're not the only ones, you know, and and we're not certainly not the only ones.

01:02:32.12
Mike
and it's And it doesn't, whether we like it or not, doesn't fucking matter.

01:02:32.88
Bill
Right.

01:02:37.08
Mike
i mean, there's plenty of shit in there I don't like.

01:02:37.62
Bill
Right.

01:02:40.04
Mike
you know I don't like being honest. I don't like being, giving a fuck about somebody else. I don't like lots of stuff I have to do to stay sober, but I do it because I like being sober.

01:02:57.78
Bill
Okay, mate may I rephrase?

01:02:59.06
Mike
Most of the time. i don't know. Sure. Go ahead.

01:03:01.78
Bill
but but Allow me to rephrase.

01:03:03.86
Mike
Yes.

01:03:04.28
Bill
Mike and I aren't the only ones that have used the program successfully the way that it is.

01:03:06.71
Mike
oh Right.

01:03:09.21
Bill
Whether we like it or not.

01:03:10.85
Mike
That's right.

01:03:11.25
Bill
um You know, and...

01:03:11.93
Mike
Whether we like it or not, does not, is completely fucking irrelevant.

01:03:16.41
Bill
And I think we're of the opinion that, hey, like he just said, you know if there's other things out there, if this thing isn't isn't your deal, Wade, for any goddamn reason, then don't do it. you know But just don't fuck with our shit.

01:03:25.95
Mike
Yeah.

01:03:27.64
Bill
you know And if you want to if you want to go and, like NA is a great example, where you take Gamblers Anonymous or OA or whatever these other groups are that they base things off of, you know if not tightly or loosely, whatever it is, off of you know Alcoholics Anonymous.

01:03:28.15
Mike
Yeah.

01:03:34.85
Mike
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

01:03:41.52
Bill
But they made their changes, fine.

01:03:41.56
Mike
Right?

01:03:43.28
Bill
They got their group over there. And there's other, I think the smart recovery from what I've heard is kind of, it's kind of, you know, 12 step ish.

01:03:44.79
Mike
Yeah.

01:03:50.40
Bill
It's just set up a different way.

01:03:50.78
Mike
Yeah.

01:03:51.40
Bill
All these, all these programs like this, you know, these, these community or group programs are, they have their own structure to them.

01:03:51.77
Mike
Right? Yeah.

01:03:58.60
Bill
But the whole point is that fine, do something different, but don't fuck with what works, you know, for millions, you know, that's not at all.

01:03:58.91
Mike
Yeah.

01:04:04.95
Mike
Yeah. Yeah, right. Love your neighbor. What the fuck? Where'd that come from? Turn the other cheek. What the fuck? I can't do that. I don't like that.

01:04:17.46
Bill
who Right. But I don't know. You know, like I said, this, that when I heard this on a podcast and again, they weren't going, they weren't going nuts on.

01:04:28.11
Bill
It was just the, the typical statement saying, yeah, you know, do things, things, you you know, could be, or should be, or would be, you know, updated and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, nothing that has to be updated.

01:04:35.69
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:04:36.87
Bill
Just say, if you want to do something different, go, go find, add up, add it up an appendix on your own fucking time, you know?

01:04:38.01
Mike
Right. Yeah.

01:04:43.82
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:04:44.19
Bill
Somebody do this. I'm make a book over here.

01:04:47.26
Mike
Right.

01:04:47.56
Bill
It's going to be called the the Igook. It's not the big book. It's the Igook. And it's going to be sort of what this is, but I'm going to put all my shit in here that that i want to that I want to have.

01:04:51.48
Mike
Yes.

01:04:57.26
Mike
Uh-huh. Yeah, right. Yeah. You can't say foxy lady. That's sexist.

01:05:06.30
Bill
and She is kind of foxy, though.

01:05:07.67
Mike
and Jimmy, no, no, no, no. You can't say foxy lady anymore. Right. Uh-huh.

01:05:13.69
Bill
Yeah, I know.

01:05:13.85
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:05:14.53
Bill
I know. yeah I suppose you probably can't unless it's the, unless you know the person and they're okay with it. What if she is foxy though? You know, hi, you're attractive.

01:05:20.63
Mike
right

01:05:22.63
Bill
That's harassment. Go. Hello.

01:05:23.96
Mike
a

01:05:24.83
Bill
God damn it.

01:05:27.06
Mike
aha

01:05:27.10
Bill
But, uh, I don't know. I mean, it's just a, and I wasn't trying to, you know, literally this, this time I wasn't trying to, you know, rant about this whole big book thing.

01:05:32.95
Mike
e

01:05:33.66
Bill
It just, um i really I really did.

01:05:34.17
Mike
he

01:05:35.82
Bill
I wanted to read how it works because we haven't we've never done that on here. and just i don't know It's something that that was a selfish read for, if nothing else, for us. and you know but A little bit a chance to talk about the big book.

01:05:44.40
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:05:46.60
Bill
Oh, the other thing, too, is the the individual that we've that we spoke about that wanted the change, you knowt wanted to get rid of the word alcoholic and this and that.

01:05:52.16
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:05:55.76
Bill
that whole That person is going to be in Austin. Yeah.

01:05:59.35
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:06:01.37
Bill
yeah i I already know for a fucking fact that I'm going to see how I know because that'll just pinpoint who the individual is. And a couple of our couple of our listeners have already figured out who we've been talking about over the years.

01:06:07.16
Mike
Right.

01:06:10.71
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:06:10.93
Bill
But um again, I'm not trying to disparage the person.

01:06:13.37
Mike
So, can we hire Shia LaBeouf go down there and get in an altercation with them?

01:06:13.71
Bill
It's just...

01:06:19.93
Bill
You know what? I don't know. He probably he probably got he probably would go for free. i don't think we'd have to hire him.

01:06:24.28
Mike
ah There you go.

01:06:25.69
Bill
Just start to fucking lie to him and say, hey, yeah was ah there's a whole god dead there's a bar right in downtown Austin.

01:06:29.94
Mike
There's a bar.

01:06:30.25
Bill
You can go hang out.

01:06:30.54
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:06:31.93
Bill
He's going in there trying trying to get lit up on any a drinks.

01:06:32.42
Mike
Yes, it is.

01:06:35.03
Bill
okay Fucking idiot. But okay. right. so that So that is that.

01:06:41.78
Mike
yes it is

01:06:43.51
Bill
right. So um this one just kind of came out as kind of a question just in general, based on what we had talked about before. We had talked about like service work, I don't know, a couple of months ago, whenever it was.

01:06:54.96
Bill
And, you know, I know we talked about the importance of it, but I don't remember if we had talked about what the, like either one of our first service commitments were.

01:06:55.36
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:07:03.44
Bill
Did did we talk about that?

01:07:04.23
Mike
Hmm.

01:07:04.64
Bill
Or do you remember what your first service commitment was?

01:07:07.90
Mike
um Well, um yeah, it's the reason I go to a fucking St. Patrick's every goddamn Sunday. um Yeah, four weeks over. And Don Fox was taking me to another meeting and he said, do you know anything about PA systems? And I went, yeah, I know a little bit.

01:07:31.77
Mike
And he goes, well, we're they had just the church that they were at, St. Patrick's, closed down for a while. The diocese here in Cleveland closed that parish for a few years.

01:07:44.02
Mike
And so they had to move churches, and he had this new system he had to figure out. And he said, can you come down this Sunday and help me set this thing up? I said, sure, Don, no problem.

01:07:58.04
Mike
So I did. And every Sunday ever since for the past almost 16 years, i've been there.

01:08:06.68
Bill
and i And I never went away. Never went away.

01:08:09.02
Mike
i did Exactly. they They fed me and I kept showing up.

01:08:12.86
Bill
i was just just going to say, it sounds like another story that I know about too.

01:08:16.15
Mike
this is

01:08:16.50
Bill
But so, you know, the, um,

01:08:18.23
Mike
So, yeah, that was, I mean, outside of, you know, Keating Center shit. Yeah. My first outside, whatever, I was asked to do something and did and yeah goddamn became my home group and i've been there ever since

01:08:22.77
Bill
Right.

01:08:31.93
Bill
You know what? And and quite honestly, when and when I wrote this down, I couldn't remember. But i think I think I just remembered when you said that you were taken there.

01:08:39.77
Mike
and

01:08:39.81
Bill
It was West Park Men's. Did you ever have to go and set up chairs and tables there?

01:08:41.88
Mike
right oh yeah yeah yeah right rudy

01:08:44.63
Bill
Okay. So that I think that was the... I mean, we were brand fucking new at that point. Because I remember... Who was the... I can't remember his name now. The guy that used to drive the white van for for Marty all the time.

01:08:56.63
Bill
No, wasn't Rudy, was it?

01:08:57.40
Mike
No, that was, well, that was who, that's who drove it for when I went there the first time to West Park Vans.

01:08:58.07
Bill
No, the taller...

01:09:04.11
Bill
Rudy did.

01:09:04.79
Mike
Yeah.

01:09:05.56
Bill
there was he who There was the other guy that was kind of like be it was kind of like Marty's right-hand guy, and I can't remember his name. He had dark hair, little bit curly.

01:09:12.06
Mike
Hmm.

01:09:12.76
Bill
um i don't remember. i can't remember his name. Not that it really matters. But there was one.

01:09:17.06
Mike
Not, not, not Bob. No.

01:09:18.68
Bill
No, it wasn't Bob. Again, that unimportant, unimportant.

01:09:21.54
Mike
Marty's right. Yeah. God. Okay. I don't know. Yep.

01:09:24.66
Bill
it'll be At some point, maybe it'll come to me.

01:09:25.75
Mike
Some drunk.

01:09:27.38
Bill
Yeah, he ended up relapsing too, and I just remember remember that.

01:09:29.68
Mike
Okay. Hey. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

01:09:31.18
Bill
But, you know, not that not that that's too surprising that, hey, somebody relapsed, by the way.

01:09:36.26
Mike
Yup.

01:09:37.30
Bill
But um I remember because it I don't think I could have been there more than it might have been in the first week. You know, that he had come up to me. Again, I'm sitting outside just fucking angry as angry as fuck as i as I was.

01:09:47.45
Mike
a

01:09:49.44
Bill
You know, just sitting around all the time being fucking angry, which, again, as you always say, what what a fucking wonderful way to live, you know.

01:09:51.56
Mike
aha

01:09:55.64
Mike
yepe

01:09:55.76
Bill
But I'm i'm not drinking. I wasn't going to say I was sober yet. i I had no alcohol in my body.

01:09:59.88
Mike
No.

01:10:01.36
Bill
i had nothing to nothing to live for technically in my head.

01:10:01.62
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:10:03.99
Mike
you Right.

01:10:04.97
Bill
and I was fucking angry, you know.

01:10:07.09
Mike
yep

01:10:07.21
Bill
And he comes out and he's like, hey, you want to go help set up blah, blah, blah. And I'm like. I think I probably did one of those, you know, kind of like the, the sign he's like, he's like, well, or he probably didn't even say that.

01:10:18.94
Bill
He said, uh, he goes, you want to help me with something? i'm like, I'm like, I don't know. He goes, uh, because, you know, I need to set up and whatever, blah, blah, blah. It's probably that. And I'm like, I'm like, I have no idea what kind of like what you're talking about type of thing.

01:10:29.42
Bill
And he goes, let me, let me make this little bit more simple.

01:10:29.78
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:10:31.78
Bill
He goes, do you want to get out of here for at least an hour or an hour and a half?

01:10:33.97
Mike
yeah if

01:10:35.91
Bill
And I said, where are we going?

01:10:36.31
Mike
Right. Right.

01:10:37.79
Bill
Right. I didn't even say where we're going. I'm like, ah fine.

01:10:39.89
Mike
Yes.

01:10:40.29
Bill
I'm good. I'm good.

01:10:41.06
Mike
Yup.

01:10:41.82
Bill
and And yeah, he took me over there. i don a remember if somebody else was with there, but yeah, we went and we set up, we used to take people over in that fucking van all the time and we'd set up, set up tables and stuff like that.

01:10:49.59
Mike
Yup.

01:10:52.19
Bill
That might, might've been my first service commitment. Did we have to shake hands at West Park men?

01:10:56.89
Mike
Yup.

01:10:57.94
Bill
Probably ah at the doorway, right?

01:11:00.18
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:11:00.70
Bill
And then did we have to do that at Keating men's on Monday?

01:11:04.71
Mike
That I'm not sure. Oh, over at the Knights of Columbus place. Yeah, I think we did there too.

01:11:09.11
Bill
Yeah. Yeah, we might have. I just don't, I don't remember that part, but i I remember obviously, like you said, Keating Center stuff, you know, putting away chairs and whatever.

01:11:17.21
Mike
Mm-hmm. Sure.

01:11:17.66
Bill
That was always, that was always a thing to this day.

01:11:18.15
Mike
Yeah, yeah, Right. Mm-hmm.

01:11:20.14
Bill
I'll still, I'll still help put away chairs. I mean, I'm not, I'm not above that. It it actually bothers me when I see people with a little bit of time to just sit back and don't help.

01:11:27.22
Mike
Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

01:11:28.14
Bill
And I'm like, you fucking ungrateful fuckers pick up a goddamn fucking chair, you know?

01:11:30.80
Mike
Yep. Yeah, right.

01:11:33.27
Bill
I mean, really?

01:11:33.42
Mike
Be a part of, dickhead.

01:11:35.32
Bill
Yeah. You fucking idiot. Yeah. And if you're listening to us and you don't do that, fuck you. Pick up a God, pick up, pick up a goddamn chair.

01:11:39.98
Mike
Yep, exactly.

01:11:42.82
Bill
So that there, but, um, know. I just couldn't remember if, uh, to begin with, literally, I could not remember what my first one was, but I think it, it had to have been, it had to have been that one. It had to have been that one.

01:11:52.47
Mike
Right.

01:11:53.06
Bill
So, okay, cool. Well, at least, uh, look at that.

01:11:54.91
Mike
don't know.

01:11:55.50
Bill
Look at that. So they can't think of the guy's name that, uh, who that was, but, uh, don't know.

01:11:58.26
Mike
ah ah

01:12:00.32
Bill
Tony. No, not Tony. No.

01:12:02.84
Mike
I don't know.

01:12:03.16
Bill
All right. um This is kind of the more on the the personal side of things. When you were a young lad there, Mikey Mike. So um you mentioned when you were, you were moved around a lot, obviously when you were younger, did you find it difficult making friends?

01:12:14.14
Mike
Yeah.

01:12:16.73
Bill
I mean, when you were little, I know as you got older, you know, you kind of hooked up with the drinking and smoking crowd, but from what you've said, but when you were younger moving around, did you find it hard making friends or, or getting involved or, or what?

01:12:21.30
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

01:12:29.08
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

01:12:30.14
Bill
Okay.

01:12:30.74
Mike
You know, right. Yeah. I, did you know, I, I lied a lot. Um, I know that, right.

01:12:34.90
Bill
and

01:12:38.10
Mike
Yeah. Told stories, trying to make myself seem better than I actually was, you know, or worse than I actually was.

01:12:42.78
Bill
Right.

01:12:44.55
Mike
Imagine that didn't have a drink in me, didn't have a drug in me. And I'm lying and trying to make myself into something that I wasn't. Hmm.

01:12:53.69
Bill
Right.

01:12:53.85
Mike
Um, yeah, yeah, you know, right. Yeah, I mean, that you know, I would, i would, yeah, sure, I'd make friends, but, um, you know, not, not on honest pretenses.

01:13:06.26
Mike
No.

01:13:06.85
Bill
Right.

01:13:07.48
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

01:13:09.56
Bill
Yeah, i don't know.

01:13:09.56
Mike
That's little shit. Mm

01:13:11.35
Bill
yeah And you know that the thing of it is we moved um and I say only we moved twice. You know, when we moved from Cleveland to Pittsburgh going into I was going into fifth grade.

01:13:17.60
Mike
hmm.

01:13:22.34
Bill
So Kathy would have been going into seventh and then moved to Wisconsin when I was going into eighth and she was going into.

01:13:24.54
Mike
Right.

01:13:30.10
Bill
it was i think it was how she made friends easier, I think, in in both places. But she was going in as ah is a sophomore, you know which is kind of weird because you've people already in high school.

01:13:34.49
Mike
so Right. Yeah.

01:13:38.74
Bill
But again, I was in in the last the last year of middle school and in Wisconsin.

01:13:39.14
Mike
Yeah.

01:13:43.38
Bill
Again, not that any of this shit matters, but it was – and I don't know why, but it was it was really hard, even those two times, to try to get find a group of people. Yeah.

01:13:52.69
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:13:53.30
Bill
And I don't know if it was just because of the age at that time. You figure, i don't know, I was what, probably eight or nine when we moved to Pittsburgh. i don't know if that's a weird age, but then 12 when we moved to Wisconsin.

01:14:00.04
Mike
Right. Yeah.

01:14:04.95
Bill
But yeah, and i don't I don't remember trying to tell stories or anything like that. I just remember just feeling like fucking left out, you know, and I couldn't figure out how to how to fit in, you know, but...

01:14:11.10
Mike
see

01:14:14.74
Mike
right

01:14:18.46
Bill
I mean, shit, you know, as I get older, I came out, you know, obviously came out of my skin and all that stuff. And, you know, got more just as soon as I started working in sales and stuff like that. I mean, I opened up and mean, now I don't know give a fuck.

01:14:30.70
Bill
I don't care where I am.

01:14:31.28
Mike
Right. Right.

01:14:31.66
Bill
I mean, I can I can talk to anyone if I if I need to.

01:14:31.92
Mike
Yeah.

01:14:34.90
Bill
I still don't necessarily like going into a ah room full of fucking strangers if i don't know anyone.

01:14:39.00
Mike
right

01:14:39.80
Bill
You know, I would prefer not doing that, but, you know, I don't have an issue trying to get to know people. You know, I care i care less about that today than I did, you know, 20 years ago.

01:14:44.98
Mike
right

01:14:49.36
Bill
But i don't know. was just kind of curious because I know you moved around a lot. So I just didn't know if if you ran into issues like that quite a bit.

01:14:53.43
Mike
yeah

01:14:56.60
Mike
yeah yeah you know um again you know um i i got used to it so it it is what it is yeah you know it was that was the way my life was yeah you know make some friends and then move away and um you know you kind of hang on to you know in the old neighborhood or whatever because so i mean you know the first i moved around a lot but it was you know michigan it was the detroit area so um

01:15:05.74
Bill
Right.

01:15:18.48
Bill
Right. Right.

01:15:23.77
Mike
You know, i'd i'd I'd have a friend from the last place for a while. and You know, you'd call them and you'd go over and see them once in a while or whatever. But, um yeah, know. Fuck. I don't know. I don't know where any of them are at now.

01:15:38.10
Mike
Hmm.

01:15:40.09
Bill
Yeah, well, there was when we moved out of, well, I mean, we lived in Parma, so we moved out of there. There was, a you know, a couple of people that that we, you know, we we were there for, I don't know, from the time I think I was two or three.

01:15:51.97
Bill
And, you know, I mean, young. And there was a lot of kids on our block. And, you know, there was one in particular was good friend of mine. And we'd go back to Cleveland every once in a while. I mean, Grandma and Grandpa and John and Gail still lived in Cleveland.

01:16:02.68
Mike
Right.

01:16:02.82
Bill
So, you know, we were back there on a – not on a regular basis, but enough.

01:16:06.18
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:16:06.78
Bill
And pitt's Pittsburgh, I went back there a couple of times because, again, I had, you know, one or one or two kind of decent friends that I'd go back and see.

01:16:07.06
Mike
Right.

01:16:12.92
Mike
Yeah.

01:16:13.90
Bill
But, but you know, yeah, same same thing. There was a – actually, there was a guy from –

01:16:16.38
Mike
Yeah.

01:16:19.71
Bill
From Pittsburgh. His name was Dennis. He was the one that that friend of mine that I think I said at one point is is he had an older sister. We were in probably at the time he was doing this. We were probably in like seventh grade, sixth, seventh grade.

01:16:30.56
Mike
Hmm.

01:16:31.66
Bill
And his sister was doing like light drugs, like some speed and whatever, probably smoking weed and whatever.

01:16:37.01
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:16:38.40
Bill
And, uh, he, he's taking some of her speed and he's out there as a middle of winter and he's shoveling driveway. And I walked over and he was like two houses down to the left of us. And, uh, he's out there shoveling the street.

01:16:49.74
Bill
You know, I'm like, what are you doing?

01:16:49.88
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:16:51.26
Bill
He's like, I'm just shoveling. I'm like, dude, you're shoveling the street. He wasn't paying attention because hopped up on fucking speed, which I thought was kind of at the time.

01:16:55.74
Mike
a

01:16:59.26
Bill
I mean, I didn't think anything of it, but you know, even looking back now, it's kind of funny. They reached out to me on Facebook and it was just, I don't know, probably 10 years ago now. And then, Never heard from them after that.

01:17:09.56
Bill
Just like one time. It was kind of weird. It a weird conversation. But remember what it was? I just remember thinking it was kind of weird. But yeah, i't I don't know who those fucking people are anyhow. so um All right. So this this one is from Keep It Simple. It said, as long as we remember what our madness was like, we could put it into we could put it to good that? what...

01:17:33.10
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:17:33.62
Bill
do you agree with that and what I don't know. I mean, what does that, i was going to say, what does that mean exactly? of You know, our madness, putting our madness to good use or what it was like. What does that mean?

01:17:42.78
Mike
Right. Well, I, I mean, um, couple of things, you know, um, remembering the madness, as long as we continue to remember it, we remember exactly how insane it was and, uh, hopefully try not to go back there, you know, realize just how fucking stupid and fucked up it was.

01:17:43.83
Bill
Or what do you think?

01:17:58.73
Bill
Hmm.

01:18:03.00
Mike
um, And as we always talk about, you know, helping the new guy relating and going, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was fucking crazy, too. And look at me now.

01:18:13.60
Mike
I'm i' not as crazy.

01:18:15.67
Bill
ah

01:18:15.89
Mike
Yeah.

01:18:16.95
Bill
Right.

01:18:18.62
Mike
Yeah. So, you know, as long as we remember that it was badness and use it to motivate us to not be that way anymore and also to help relate to the new guy, you know, and or even not so new guy, you know, and, you know, hey, man, Being able to recognize it in somebody else and go, you know, you're acting a little wacky.

01:18:36.80
Bill
Right.

01:18:39.32
Mike
You might want to, might not want to do that.

01:18:43.89
Bill
Right. Well, and and that's the thing, too, that that's the to me, one of the most comforting things. And even though know you and I are not obviously around each other all the time and haven't been for, you know, a number of years now, you know, but that's the other, i think, really positive thing about not that we, you know we'd see each other on you know holidays and things like that and blah, blah, blah, you know, chit chat here and there and back in Cleveland, whatever.

01:18:57.79
Mike
Right.

01:19:05.62
Mike
m

01:19:09.18
Bill
But doing this every every week, I think, is helpful in a couple of different things, because the the comforting part is I know for a fact. Well, two things. If I'm feeling a little bit squirrely, you know, I'm going to make a fucking phone call.

01:19:24.10
Bill
least I hope I will. You know, or if I'm if I'm acting a little bit squirrely.

01:19:25.27
Mike
Right.

01:19:29.34
Bill
I think you're going to realize it, you know, um or I mean, obviously, I'm around Kathy a lot.

01:19:31.06
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

01:19:33.66
Bill
She would realize it, you know, or maybe maybe um'm i I think I've training my kids.

01:19:34.88
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:19:38.46
Bill
I think I think I've given my kids enough knowledge, you know, to to be able to watch for things, you know, that if I if I get weirded out, you know.

01:19:39.80
Mike
he Right. Mm-hmm.

01:19:47.35
Mike
Right.

01:19:47.42
Bill
And, you know, I think that's, that's really comforting where you can have, you know, people like that in your life that, cause I don't think, well, I know for a fact, not everyone, even these days, people are more open and, you know, talk more and blah, blah, blah.

01:20:00.09
Bill
And everyone's talking to everyone and everyone's, you know, talking about feelings and everything like that, you know, but I still don't think that people have, people have less balls these days to say,

01:20:00.28
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:20:04.14
Mike
Yeah.

01:20:11.89
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:20:12.38
Bill
you know, when things are, are not right. You know, they'll say when, when they think that society is being wronged, but what about your friend over there?

01:20:14.49
Mike
Right.

01:20:18.54
Bill
If your friend's all fucked up, do you have the fucking nuts to tell him or her that that she's got to change, you know, or he or she's got to change their, change their ways, you know?

01:20:22.64
Mike
Yeah.

01:20:26.81
Mike
Yeah, right. Yeah, not much. Mm-hmm.

01:20:29.94
Bill
Right. Yeah. And I, do I just don't, I don't know that people have that. I think people are fucking pussies when it comes to that these days, that they just don't, they don't have that.

01:20:36.85
Mike
you

01:20:38.43
Bill
And I'm, I'm grateful that, that we have that as a, as a group, you know, as a, as a society of Alcoholics Anonymous people, you know, or the way that we were brought up and, you know, raised up and all those sorts of things.

01:20:42.58
Mike
Yes.

01:20:46.68
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:20:49.88
Mike
Yeah.

01:20:50.71
Bill
ah It's, it's,

01:20:51.21
Mike
Cult members.

01:20:52.31
Bill
Yeah, it is.

01:20:52.94
Mike
yes. Mm-hmm.

01:20:53.79
Bill
Well, again, it's so fucking funny. I'm watching. Like i said, I'm watching the following, still enjoying the fucking shit out of it.

01:20:58.87
Mike
ah Yes. Yes.

01:21:00.01
Bill
And I can't remember. think I'm ah towards the end of, i don't think I'm on season two yet, but it's, it blows my fucking mind. This show is my, it's, it's mind numbingly wonderful.

01:21:10.52
Mike
yes

01:21:11.16
Bill
And I'm like, this was fucking network TV. I'm like 10 fucking years ago.

01:21:13.97
Mike
Oh, yeah.

01:21:15.86
Bill
I'm like, this is fucking awesome. I 100% recommend it. If anyone, nobody's ever seen the following. First of all, it's Kevin Bacon. He's good. Um, the supporting cast in there was fucking awesome.

01:21:23.02
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:21:26.42
Bill
The storyline, everything is ridiculous, but it's all, yeah, it's all cult based.

01:21:26.68
Mike
Oh.

01:21:30.42
Bill
So every time I think about, I think about this shit all the time that we talked about cults in the definition that we read, we're like, Oh God, we have this cult called cult.

01:21:31.02
Mike
Yeah.

01:21:36.67
Mike
Yep, yep. is

01:21:38.86
Bill
Yeah.

01:21:39.54
Mike
Check, check, check.

01:21:41.75
Bill
Yeah, every every fucking part of it. But, you know, it it is what it is. You know, it's just that everything... If you really, you know, if you just went by the straight fucking definition, everything that every group that you're a part of is cult-ish.

01:21:51.39
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:21:51.79
Bill
You know?

01:21:52.67
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:21:52.79
Bill
It just just fucking is what it is.

01:21:55.38
Mike
Yeah. Like Carlton used to say, you know, I like people individually one-on-one, but they get into groups and I do not like them.

01:22:04.95
Bill
Yeah, that's that's a good point. Yeah, you get a group of fucking...

01:22:06.62
Mike
You start getting armbands and

01:22:10.33
Bill
Right. Yeah. I mean, and that is true.

01:22:11.94
Mike
hats.

01:22:12.60
Bill
Yeah, that's true. Armbands, hats, and, you know, big fucking ideas, you know, that that as a group that, you know, that people people are all fucking tough, you know, and well there's a big group full of but fucking idiots, so...

01:22:15.45
Mike
Yep. Mm-hmm.

01:22:21.81
Mike
Yep.

01:22:25.70
Bill
All right. So just got a couple of, a couple of little things. These are more, know if these are tidbits. This is kind of a story. So I get, I get this when I got my mail, when I got here, oh, by the way, my, my blackout plates were not at the, at the UPS store on Saturday, but I got a notification Wednesday and I called and I'm like, Just by chance, anything for the DMV?

01:22:38.60
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:22:42.78
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:22:46.32
Bill
And she's like, yes, it is.

01:22:47.96
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:22:48.50
Bill
So I'm driving down the German. going to go down to German town tomorrow and get my new my new plate. So umm I'm very fucking happy.

01:22:52.82
Mike
Boo. Yeah.

01:22:54.95
Bill
like i'll I'll spend a couple hours in the car back and forth.

01:22:55.22
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:22:57.75
Bill
And like I just want to get my plates on. So I get this i get this letter, and this was from the beginning of February, from the village of Germantown. And it says, ah you know, Dear William, Village of Germantown Clerk's Office has conducted an audit of voting addresses and noticed that you are registered to, gives my address, which is identified as a UPS store in Germantown.

01:23:08.11
Mike
Right.

01:23:17.72
Bill
um Be advised that your voter registration at the above address will become inactive unless you update your registration within 30 days.

01:23:17.92
Mike
Right.

01:23:24.92
Bill
And I'm like, inactive? Inactive? So, um you know, if you still reside at the address, list on letter, continue registration by returning to the sign proof of resident with a proof of residency document, which I don't have when it's a fucking UPS store and documents are, you know, driver's license, pay stubs, blah, blah, blah.

01:23:40.77
Bill
A pay stub.

01:23:41.24
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:23:41.41
Bill
I mean, I could, I could do, you know, I suppose I could do my pay stub because that's got my address on it. But i don't know if you have to do more than one, but no longer reside at the address, blah, bla blah, blah, this and that.

01:23:51.45
Bill
So if you have any questions, contact, whatever. So, and I'm like, what would be the fucking problem? You know, I didn't understand what the problem was.

01:23:58.27
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:23:58.81
Bill
So i I actually just I did a i fucking Google it. I'm like, you know, UPS address, state of Wisconsin, you know, voting voter registration.

01:24:02.17
Mike
Well.

01:24:07.07
Bill
And about four or five years ago, maybe six years ago, there was this whole thing where I don't know if it was in I think it was in the Milwaukee area that the district attorney's office, they were going to prosecute people.

01:24:07.09
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:24:16.31
Mike
Well,

01:24:20.06
Bill
They had addresses and had their voter registration set up at UPS boxes for voter fraud. And I'm like, are you fucking kidding me?

01:24:28.59
Mike
really?

01:24:30.80
Bill
So this whole I'm reading this article. It's like two, three of them, but it's all the same the same incident. And they're reading through this stuff.

01:24:36.01
Mike
Yeah.

01:24:36.80
Bill
And it's some they I think there was three elderly people that were in a nursing home, but they just had their mail sent there, that whatever. And think one person was, I forget what the deal was, and the other person traveled, kind of like I do.

01:24:48.25
Mike
Yeah.

01:24:48.92
Bill
So then, you know, apparently it was dropped because they they figured that, you know, like, oh, and then like, we're not going to pursue it because there was no, they're not trying to defraud the system. I'm like, so I was just fucking irritated.

01:24:58.35
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:25:00.76
Bill
I'm like, Jesus Christ. So what I was going to do was that I i texted Kimmy before I read this, all the details.

01:25:05.50
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:25:06.78
Bill
I'm like, I can just change my address to that. That's where my car insurance is, you know, because I had to have a physical address for my car insurance.

01:25:10.16
Mike
Yeah.

01:25:14.08
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:25:14.55
Bill
you know So my current insurance has been at Kimmy and Brian's address since you know whatever it is.

01:25:18.14
Mike
and Okay.

01:25:19.31
Bill
um

01:25:19.35
Mike
Right.

01:25:20.70
Bill
And my insurance agent told me to do it. So I mean i didn't just do it.

01:25:22.94
Mike
Yeah.

01:25:23.94
Bill
He he said, yeah, is there any address in in Wisconsin that you could put it on?

01:25:24.92
Mike
Right. Right.

01:25:28.06
Bill
And I said, yeah. my you know So i I was told to do it. It just wasn't a whim, just in case anyone's listening out there.

01:25:31.80
Mike
Right. he

01:25:33.83
Bill
Yeah. you know i actually did the right things you know so um then it's like you know the driver's like so i'm like i'm not gonna go through all this fucking shit so i sent an email back and i'm like listen i said i said it is a it is the address i didn't i'm not trying to hide anything i said you know i said car loans uh credit cards um insurance life insurance everything all these people you know nobody has an issue with this you know and i'm like if if you want me to try because i said i'm not going to go through this whole process

01:25:47.35
Mike
right

01:25:55.61
Mike
Right.

01:26:01.40
Bill
to actually try to end up building a lie, you know, to try to get my vote or keep my voters registration.

01:26:07.02
Mike
Sure.

01:26:07.16
Bill
You know, I'm like, I'm just, if if you don't want to accept my voters registration as it is, I'm like, I don't know what I can do. You know, cause not, I'm not going to fabricate put together a lie to cover up and fit this, you know?

01:26:13.52
Mike
Yeah.

01:26:17.88
Mike
Right.

01:26:18.49
Bill
And I mean, theoretically, now that I read this, a pay stub, I can, I could give them my pay stub, but it's still a fucking PO box.

01:26:23.04
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:26:25.18
Bill
you know it still ends up with the with the same problem you know because i know i don't i don't live there and that's the thing in wisconsin it says that you're which i again i didn't know this i had no idea i wasn't trying to defraud anybody you know um i'm just i just i needed it at the time i've i moved to help take care of our mom you know i wanted to wanted to remain a resident of wisconsin to keep my car stuff and whatever

01:26:25.34
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:26:28.22
Mike
Yeah.

01:26:37.61
Mike
Right.

01:26:43.95
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

01:26:48.54
Bill
um So, but I guess in the in the statutes, it says that, you know, your your voter registration is supposed to be at a in a property where you reside, not just where you get your mail.

01:26:58.62
Mike
Right.

01:26:59.19
Bill
I didn't know that, you know, I had no fucking idea.

01:27:00.50
Mike
Yeah.

01:27:01.55
Bill
So I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen, but I may end up somehow not being able to be, at least for the moment, not being able to be a Wisconsin voter just because I'm like, what the, I don't understand.

01:27:12.13
Bill
What do people do that there's, I can't be the only one in the, in the fucking state that's doing the things that I'm doing, you know, traveling around and having a, what do people do?

01:27:17.93
Mike
Right. Yeah.

01:27:22.26
Mike
ah I don't know. Well, ah apparently they don't vote. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

01:27:28.41
Bill
Yeah, I just, I, it just, it fucking blew my mind. I'm like, I, I'm not, and that's why I put in the email. I'm like, I'm not trying to hide anything, you know, I'm trying to defraud anyone. I'm not trying to hide anything. I'm like everyone else, you everyone else, like again, car loans and credit cards and everyone else, everyone's fucking fine with this, you know, state of Wisconsin, you know, with, with my car registration, you know, everything, my car registration is at that address, even though my car insurance is that by registrations, my, my physical address there.

01:27:41.91
Mike
right

01:27:44.57
Mike
yeah

01:27:55.54
Mike
Right.

01:27:56.34
Bill
So I don't know, whatever. It was just, I was like, I don't know what, i don't know what the fuck could do, but it yeah could affect my voting, but I'm not gonna, that was the other thing.

01:27:57.40
Mike
Yeah.

01:28:02.46
Bill
I'm like, I'd have to literally build this entire fucking lie, you know, in order to just be like, okay, here, I fit the criteria now.

01:28:05.54
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

01:28:09.50
Mike
Right. Yeah, I mean, you know, I mean, i i I do understand it from the point of, you know, I mean, like national stuff and whatever i get doesn't fucking matter.

01:28:20.88
Mike
But, um you know, the local stuff, your city councilmen or whatever, I mean, they're supposed to be representing the people that live there. And if you don't actually live there, you know...

01:28:30.56
Bill
Right.

01:28:33.24
Mike
Yeah, I don't know. Whatever.

01:28:35.48
Bill
Right.

01:28:35.58
Mike
i I live in Cleveland, and this is where I live, and I vote literally two blocks away from my house. So at the elementary school, two blocks from my house, I can walk there.

01:28:45.29
Bill
Right. But I mean,

01:28:50.20
Bill
but have you, right?

01:28:52.54
Mike
I have, actually.

01:28:53.56
Bill
Oh, have you? Okay.

01:28:54.23
Mike
Yeah.

01:28:55.10
Bill
I was just, say it was reminding me of when you said were going walk to work once your place changed.

01:28:59.00
Mike
Yeah, I know. Well,

01:29:00.09
Bill
it Which again, i'm not I'm not faulting you for it.

01:29:04.15
Mike
Right.

01:29:04.22
Bill
It's just, ah you know, and getting up in the morning, I'd rather just hop in my car anyhow to just fucking drive up the street, you know?

01:29:07.93
Mike
Yeah, exactly. You know, right. And after work, you know, walking a mile back home is, yeah, you know, I'm little tired.

01:29:11.99
Bill
Right. Right. Right.

01:29:16.95
Mike
But, yeah, um and I still actually, when the weather, if if the weather actually changes, it gets nice again, i may walk occasionally.

01:29:25.46
Bill
Right.

01:29:26.14
Mike
Yeah, we'll see.

01:29:26.97
Bill
Yeah, but i mean well I mean, I get what you're saying too, but I mean, I i pay local taxes. I mean, you know but the fact that my address is there, I mean, I'm paying fucking taxes.

01:29:31.96
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:29:34.39
Bill
Well, that's the other thing, like the last line of my email, this lady, I'm like, just so you know, I've been in Wisconsin.

01:29:34.65
Mike
oh

01:29:39.19
Bill
you know I said, I'm a citizen. I pay my taxes. I do all this different stuff. And I said, by the way, I said, I've been a resident of Wisconsin with the exception of about five years, you know, since 1981. You know, I mean, i I've been around a minute, you know.

01:29:50.04
Mike
Right. he Right.

01:29:54.30
Bill
I don't know.

01:29:54.42
Mike
We don't call you cheesehead motherfucker for nothing.

01:29:54.70
Bill
it just...

01:29:57.78
Bill
Exactly.

01:29:58.17
Mike
Did you tell him that? Hey, all my friends call me cheesehead motherfucker. Yeah.

01:30:02.83
Bill
that's That should come for something, man, right?

01:30:04.34
Mike
Yeah, exactly. i should get two votes for that.

01:30:08.09
Bill
Yes. I fucking agree.

01:30:12.15
Mike
he

01:30:13.46
Bill
All right. So one one last thing, and this has really nothing to do with with anything. but So have you ever heard the term infinite scrolling? Yeah.

01:30:21.82
Mike
um No, I mean, no. I don't think I've ever heard anybody use that.

01:30:26.81
Bill
Okay, so I didn't know what it was, but they were talking about it. And there's apparently an article. I don't need the article to tell you what the basics of it is.

01:30:32.83
Mike
Yeah.

01:30:32.85
Bill
But so when you when you look at at your mouse and you got the rollerball that you can scroll and like roll pages back forth and scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll.

01:30:38.20
Mike
Yeah.

01:30:41.52
Bill
scroll

01:30:42.55
Mike
Yeah.

01:30:43.10
Bill
That's called infinite scrolling. Okay. Or on social media, when you could just, you know literally scroll, you know, thumb, thumb scroll through Facebook, Instagram, whatever it is, just continuously scroll.

01:30:44.95
Mike
Okay.

01:30:52.63
Mike
Right.

01:30:53.18
Bill
That's called infinite if it is scrolling.

01:30:53.53
Mike
Yeah. Okay.

01:30:54.98
Bill
So that's a thing that was, um, and it was just, uh, maybe I do, i forget the, the year was like 2000.

01:30:55.03
Mike
Okay.

01:31:02.23
Bill
two thousand it was early 2000s, 2001, two, three, maybe.

01:31:05.66
Mike
Okay.

01:31:07.75
Bill
And before then apparently, and I, I think I would, I, I think I should remember this and I don't.

01:31:08.01
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:31:14.49
Mike
Yeah.

01:31:14.65
Bill
Okay. So I'm going to test your memory too.

01:31:17.04
Mike
Yeah.

01:31:18.01
Bill
that before, like when you get to the end of a page, you'd have to click to get to the next page. There was no rollerball. You couldn't scroll indefinitely like that.

01:31:23.54
Mike
Well, yeah. Yeah. Kind of sounds familiar. Right.

01:31:30.68
Bill
Well, it, as soon as that, when they said it, I'm like, it makes sense. I mean, clearly we, we fucking lived it. I mean, they, we, we grew up through the internet, you know i mean?

01:31:36.22
Mike
Right.

01:31:39.03
Mike
h

01:31:39.10
Bill
ah It is again, you know, we, all this stuff, you know, it was, was new to us. And we remember when these things first came out sort of, but but yeah the guy that there was a guy that invented it he invented the concept of infinite scrolling and he said he he regrets it because of the um he feels that that he's got people now with these you know like you used the words before he said doom scrolling you know um you know that people just that's all they do they waste their lives you know infinite scrolling and it's like his invention And I'm like, i'm like but, you know, it's just like anything.

01:31:46.01
Mike
Sure. Yeah, right. Yeah.

01:32:01.88
Mike
yeah right

01:32:06.36
Mike
yeah

01:32:12.97
Bill
Anything that comes out, technology, whatever the technology is, somebody's going to use it. I don't want to say, well, maybe wrong without a doubt. Somebody's going to figure out a way to use it wrong. You know, but ah you can't take away from the the beauty of a piece of technology just because, you know, people fuck with it or whatever.

01:32:22.46
Mike
Right.

01:32:27.45
Mike
yeah

01:32:29.47
Bill
But.

01:32:29.56
Mike
Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Get to the end of a page and have to go to another page. Right. Yeah, I do.

01:32:37.48
Bill
Yeah.

01:32:38.02
Mike
And I mean, it still kind of exists now that think about it. I mean, um ah the it yeah, you know, ah Record Store Day, right? They released, ah I don't know, a few weeks ago, the the releases for the Record Store the next one in April or whatever the hell it is.

01:32:55.27
Mike
Um, and yeah, you know, it's the, it's, I don't know, maybe 200 records, something like that. And I think the page was like, you know, 50 and then you have to click onto the next page and do another 50.

01:33:09.18
Mike
Yeah. So it's, it's still out there.

01:33:10.04
Bill
right

01:33:11.86
Mike
i think about it.

01:33:13.18
Bill
Yeah. And I, that's, that's usually depends on the, on the website and how many, cause like when I, when I put together these websites, not our, our podcast website is different.

01:33:18.65
Mike
Right.

01:33:22.91
Bill
That's designed for, I, we, we did, well, you remember that we didn't have to do almost anything.

01:33:24.50
Mike
Mm-hmm. Yeah, right.

01:33:26.83
Bill
just plug and play.

01:33:27.36
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:33:28.12
Bill
But the, the other websites like the, for the, the Hobo website, the other one that I did, you know, when you're designing these things, it's, it's a lot of space, but it's, it is limited to an extent, you know, of, of the space that's in there.

01:33:37.88
Mike
Right.

01:33:39.48
Bill
And then, you know, you go to a different page on the website, But, you know, like Facebook or Instagram or something like that.

01:33:44.73
Mike
Yeah, all right.

01:33:45.27
Bill
I mean, go ahead.

01:33:45.85
Mike
It's it's infinite. Try to get to the end.

01:33:47.13
Bill
Yeah. Anyone, anyone tonight? yeah was just going to say, try.

01:33:50.67
Mike
I'm going to get to the end of Facebook.

01:33:53.82
Bill
Yeah. we you to I remember that years ago where it's just ah this person, it's just shows this was a cartoon type of image, like a meme. And it's like, you've reached the end of the internet. There's nothing else for you to look And you're like, Jesus Christ.

01:34:04.57
Mike
he

01:34:06.88
Bill
Yeah. So try that. Go find the end of the internet and find the end of Facebook.

01:34:08.76
Mike
Yes.

01:34:09.66
Bill
But no, I just, I don't remember ever hearing the term infinite scrolling.

01:34:13.25
Mike
Yeah.

01:34:14.19
Bill
And again, it's something with, it's only, and I said 20 years ago, you know, 21 years ago, it was, I think it was early 2000s.

01:34:18.14
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:34:21.11
Bill
And I could look up the article. It doesn't even make, doesn't even, doesn't make a goddamn bit of difference.

01:34:22.73
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:34:25.39
Bill
It was within the last 25 years, 20 to 25 years, you know, so not relatively speaking, not that long ago.

01:34:28.53
Mike
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

01:34:32.82
Mike
Right.

01:34:32.90
Bill
Um, and i was just kind of blown away by, by the concept of like, don't remember a mouse. I'm looking at my mouse right now. I don't remember my mouse not having the roller ball, you know, or the scroll or the little scroller on it.

01:34:43.03
Mike
Right.

01:34:44.78
Bill
I just, i don't know. It just, it kind of blew my mind. So, all right, that was our, uh, technology update. These are the other things that are keeping us, uh, you know, where we are ranked and and nominated and and all that good stuff.

01:34:53.88
Mike
Right. he

01:34:55.90
Bill
And by the way, you should go vote for us.

01:34:57.98
Mike
Yes, you should. and guess what? You've reached the end of this episode of Sober Not Much.

01:35:06.01
Bill
Yes.

01:35:07.14
Mike
There's no infinite scrolling here.

01:35:11.35
Bill
Exactly. So yes, we're, we're done infinite scrolling. It's it's, we found the, the, again, the end of, end of the, the infinite. What? I don't know.

01:35:19.22
Mike
Yes.

01:35:19.30
Bill
I don't know. cook

01:35:20.06
Mike
End of the episode. End of the season. This is the end of season eight.

01:35:22.74
Bill
oh Jesus Christ. Everything's ending. What the fuck?

01:35:26.39
Mike
Oh, my God. It's all ended. But thankfully, we remain with our purpose.

01:35:32.70
Bill
Right.

01:35:33.67
Mike
Ooh. Bring it all back to the very beginning.

01:35:35.51
Bill
All right, I'm going to shut up now, okay?

01:35:38.39
Mike
All right. Well, thank you for listening to yet another episode of Sober Not Mature. always, be kind to each other, be good to each other, go out and do something nice for somebody else this week, and don't tell anybody you did it.

01:35:52.70
Mike
Now, from the bottom of my heart to the depths of my soul, from the beginning of time until the ends of the earth, always and eternally, fuck you.

01:36:05.27
Mike
Now it is time, kids. It's time. This is the end. It's time for you to fuck off. Then keep fucking off. Keep fucking off till you get to a gate with a sign on it saying, you cannot fuck off past here.

01:36:19.06
Mike
Climb over that gate. Dream the impossible dream. And keep infinitely fucking off forever.

01:36:26.07
Bill
yeah but While you're off fucking off, please go vote for us.

01:36:31.42
Mike
Vote. Yes.

01:36:32.95
Bill
Yeah.

01:36:33.27
Mike
Yes. Even if you have a P.O. o box as your address, go vote for us.

01:36:38.87
Bill
yeah

01:36:39.74
Mike
That's

01:36:40.25
Bill
Yeah. Yeah. That's a good goddamn point. You're not going to get a letter from us stating that you can't, that you can't be someplace to vote.

01:36:44.40
Mike
right. Well, I'm sure

01:36:46.01
Bill
You know what? You can, you are free to vote anywhere you want. So fuck you. The village of Germantown.

01:36:50.40
Mike
you have one.

01:36:50.61
Bill
Our listeners can vote anywhere. I don't care if you live ah in a cardboard fucking box, go steal a phone.

01:36:52.86
Mike
that's right

01:36:57.23
Mike
i'm sure you i have one

01:36:58.55
Bill
Yeah, but that's true. Yeah. What did you have when we first got the Keating Center? the yeah That was a free, the Obama phone, right?

01:37:03.93
Mike
so yeah Well, if I didn't have that. Marty made me get it i didn't have jesus christ I didn't have a phone.

01:37:08.25
Bill
Oh, so you didn't have one right away, but you ended up

01:37:11.76
Mike
i was too i I barely could afford cigarettes and vodka. I didn't have a goddamn phone.

01:37:17.11
Bill
Okay. So I, I'm sorry, I forgot. So you ended up getting the phone that was the, okay.

01:37:21.14
Mike
Yes.

01:37:22.46
Bill
So just real quickly and I, and seriously, I don't remember how you would even get one of those at that time. It just.

01:37:28.22
Mike
die I don't know.

01:37:28.63
Bill
Oh,

01:37:29.46
Mike
some Well, um I think I bought it off another drunk. if you want to know the truth. Yeah. i pretty It yeah may have been Steve-O that I got that phone.

01:37:39.45
Bill
oh really

01:37:40.54
Mike
I'm pretty sure it was. I you know i don't remember the exact circumstances. I'm sure it wasn't completely above board.

01:37:47.84
Bill
Yeah.

01:37:47.96
Mike
But yes, my first cell phone at the Keating Center when I got sober was an Obama phone that I'm pretty sure wasn't exactly supposed to be for me. But I ended up with it.

01:38:02.54
Mike
paying, I think, next to nothing for it. And I don't know how any of that worked. Um, I know I got my own phone through like a cricket or I don't even think it was cricket. It was, I don't know. is It was a phone company that doesn't exist anymore. I know that.

01:38:21.78
Bill
I just just remember when when you first got your, but i mean, again, everyone was switching over to smartphones because we all we all had the phones where, you know, they weren't smartphones to begin with.

01:38:31.77
Mike
Hmm.

01:38:32.18
Bill
Like when we first got sober, I mean, there was very few people had smartphones and then everyone started switching over.

01:38:34.07
Mike
Right.

01:38:37.71
Bill
So, I mean, I had this this little one and then I, whatever. So do you actually had a keyboard where you could text rather than using the fucking buttons that we, Mike and I'd be driving over to the Keating Center.

01:38:43.57
Mike
Yep.

01:38:47.99
Bill
He's in the passenger seat. We're just driving along I'm here. i hear beep, beep, beep.

01:38:51.93
Mike
Yep. Yep.

01:38:52.36
Bill
Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. I said, texting, yep. Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.

01:38:58.33
Mike
a

01:38:59.50
Bill
I said, what are you on your third word? Fuck you. Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. Because it would take you a fucking half hour to type, hi, I'm on my way.

01:39:05.95
Mike
Yep.

01:39:11.23
Mike
Right.

01:39:13.50
Bill
But anyhow, again, I don't know if you made me think about that. But anyhow, so yes, ah yeah, go grab grab your fee phone.

01:39:17.69
Mike
and

01:39:20.90
Mike
Right now?

01:39:20.98
Bill
It must be getting fucking late. Grab your free phone or go to the library and vote for us, please.

01:39:23.26
Mike
Yes, it is. Uh-huh. see Go to the library.

01:39:27.06
Bill
all it all

01:39:29.31
Mike
Get online. Get on the interwebs.

01:39:31.58
Bill
yeah yeah Get a free library card. go go ahead just Find a fucking way to vote for us, please.

01:39:39.19
Mike
Yes.

01:39:39.41
Bill
We're gonna're just get we're begging you now.

01:39:39.63
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:39:41.31
Bill
Enough of that. all right I love you, brother.

01:39:44.15
Mike
I love you, too.

01:39:45.75
Bill
We'll talk soon.

01:39:46.78
Mike
We shall.

01:39:48.03
Bill
Bye.

01:39:49.06
Mike
Bye.