SoberNotMature - Episode 202 (Glimmering Old Guys)

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Bill
All right, everyone, welcome once again to another episode of Sober Not Mature. And first of all, happy fucking new year, brother.

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Mike
Yeah. Happy new year to you.

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Bill
We're doing some chit-chat and it didn't get' get to say that. We're actually, we're talking some biz, you know, but didn't get to say that.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
But yeah, happy happy fucking new year to you. So, all right.

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Mike
Right. Right.

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Bill
So, so I'll just, just real quick.

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Mike
Okay.

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Bill
I just want to take, you know, we could take as much time as is needed for this, but um I just figured we'd, we'd take a few minutes and go over. all of our new year's resolutions real quick. I mean, it's just something, something to talk about.

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Mike
right

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Bill
So you can go first and then I'll, I'll go second, but go ahead.

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Mike
okay

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Bill
All of your new year's resolutions go.

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Bill
Okay. That's nothing.

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Bill
My, my turn. Okay. Ready?

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Mike
Yep. Yep.

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Bill
Yeah, nothing, nothing at all.

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Mike
Yep.

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Bill
I got, I got nothing. Now, second, let's, let's make a list of all the changes that we've made to this podcast for the new year. Cause again, it's, it's new year, new us, new podcast, all these changes, right?

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Mike
Right. m

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Bill
So um do you want to go over the list?

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Mike
Sure.

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Bill
I mean, I, I don't know.

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Mike
Yeah, yeah.

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Bill
It's up to you.

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Mike
I've got it right here.

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Bill
It's, I think it's on the same sheet of paper, right?

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Mike
Right, exactly. You ready?

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Bill
Yeah, I am.

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Mike
Here they are.

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Bill
Yeah.

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Bill
Yeah, I just thought I had a little bit of fun with that.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
So anyone who's listened to us for a minute knows that that we don't do New Year's resolutions because, yeah, you know, the the thing of it is, and I mean, that the funny part is, and I know we talked about this before, but even before I had the the the clean and sober mindset that I have now as far as, you know, making you know making changes as they as they come about.

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Bill
Um, I never made new year's resolutions and I don't think that you ever did even in your past life.

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Mike
No.

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Bill
No. Okay.

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Mike
Mm-mm.

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Bill
And I don't know that I was, if I was too lazy, didn't believe in them, whatever the case is.

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Mike
No.

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Bill
I just never, i just never did. I never, ever sat back and did new year's resolutions.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
Um, But now, you know, the the biggest thing is that, I mean, if if it's okay, so if there is something I want to change in today's January 2nd, we're recording this, I'm not going to be like, well, I can't do it now because it'll seem like a New Year's resolution.

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Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

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Mike
he Oh, yeah.

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Bill
No, I'll i'll make a change today, but it wasn't planned as a New Year's resolution, right?

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Mike
Right. Mm-hmm. Exactly. Exactly. Well, nor the other side, you know, now I've got to wait 363 to make change in life. Yep. to make a change in my life

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Bill
Oh God, that is the, that's, that's even better. Oh, well, there was, there was somebody that said, and I, and I, I see it every year, but it always cracks me up.

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Mike
y

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Bill
It was literally yesterday or today, but one way or the other figure two days into the year. And, you know, somebody posted Instagram, like, well, I, I guess 2027 is my year already fucked up. So, and every time I think, I think that's fucking hilarious, but um you know, it just, yeah, I can see that now.

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Mike
Right. It is. Yeah.

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Bill
Yeah. You and I want to make a change. we like, Oh, well, you know, we got to live by these New Year's resolutions.

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Mike
Uh-huh.

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Bill
So, you know, yeah now but I mean, don't.

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Mike
aha Right. Yeah, exactly. It's, yeah, right. It's, you know, it doesn't matter what day it is, you know, my feelings on days of the year and calendars and all that happy crap.

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
Something needs to be changed. Change it now. of Yeah. And it's, ah last time I checked, it's a one day at a time thing.

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Mike
And every day is a new day. And, you know, um every day can be a new beginning if it needs to be. and you or if it doesn't.

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
It's still a goddamn new beginning because it's a new day.

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
Yeah. So, yeah, you know, I don't care what the calendar says ever.

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Bill
Right. Yeah. I mean, there's, there's some things that I want to, I want to accomplish in the coming months, but, uh, you know, there's things that have been like my work thing.

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Mike
Hmm.

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Bill
We talked about that, the whole, whole thing that, uh, you know, we're trying to work on, you know, I mean, I want to get, I want to get that done.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
Um, that's in, you know, that came into more, more into light after, after, you know, some of my medical shit. Cause I'm like, okay, yet, you know, now time is really too fucking short, you know?

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Mike
hmm.

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Mike
Right?

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Bill
um And that, I mean, that has nothing to do with with that specifically. I wanted to do it either way, but I don't know. It just gives me a little bit of a little bit of a kick in the ass. Oh, real quick.

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Mike
Yep.

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Bill
So I got um my primary care doctor when I went, because I had to i didn't have to.

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Mike
Yes.

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Bill
She wanted to come in and and see me and then refer me to a cardiologist around here because i do need a follow-up appointment middle of the month.

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Mike
Sure.

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Bill
um So I got in to see her, i don't know week, week and a half ago. And, you know, she said, that she goes, hey I'd like you to go in and, you know, do blood work again. I know you just had it done. I could probably, cause she probably figured she could pick the chart or whatever.

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Bill
But, you know, I went in last Wednesday. Yeah. Christmas Eve. I went in cause I had off that day. And I mean, I saw the results, I think either the next day or two days later, it came in pretty quick, but I hadn't heard from her.

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Bill
And I just figured obviously off for the holidays, blah, blah, blah. So I talked to her today and, you know, like this goes all the way back to me and my leg and, you know, she were going to possible circulation was clearly there was, which they didn't know about.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
But, um but, you know, even looking for diabetes and whatever, all these different things that I was certainly well prepared for.

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Mike
right

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Bill
But, you know, I saw on there, my blood sugar was on, it's on the high end and low, which it was years ago when I had, when I had it, my blood work done. But everything else i thought kind of looked okay, but I'm obviously wait to hear from her, see if I need to make any a diet changes, blah, blah, blah.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
And you know, she said, she's like, there's nothing, absolutely nothing wrong. She goes, everything's good. um I said, blood sugar. And she goes, it's, it's fine. You know, we'll keep an eye on it. Don't, don't make any changes on that end.

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Bill
But she said, you know, whatever you do and that's fine. She said your cholesterol because there's the good and the bad. She goes, those are at good levels.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
She said, you're fine on that.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
Everything else. She said the first thing we looked at, whatever she called it, you know, she's like that screened out right away. You know, no, no issues with diabetes or anything like that. I asked her just a couple of questions and she's like, just keep up.

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Bill
She said, exercise is going be one of your main things, you know, to keep that cholesterol all down.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
So I told her what I'm doing. Like even on on a day when I'm not going anywhere, you know, I'm walking, you know, 45 miles and this and that.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
She's just go, just keep doing what you're doing. and She goes, I want to check your blood again. And, you know, three months just to make sure. But she goes, you got your follow-up set up for your colleague cardiologist said, yep, that's on the 19th.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
But yeah, I mean, all said and done. I mean, yeah, my blood work is fucking fine.

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Mike
Nice.

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Bill
It was like I got off the phone with her and it was like this. I wasn't i wasn't worried about it, but it was a almost this almost like this emotional sigh of relief because I was just like, oh my Jesus Christ.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
because i mean this I haven't been overwhelmed overwhelmed with all this stuff, you know but

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
It's still a lot, you know, it's a lot of things that have been going on, but, but I'm okay with it.

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Mike
Sure. Yeah.

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Bill
You know, I, I was okay with it. Um, you know, but I was just like, God damn. Cause I was prepared. I'm like, yeah, who knows the blood sugar, the cholesterol, whatever. I'm, I'm ready to just jump into some other fucking thing. I get, I got to deal with.

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Mike
Uh-huh.

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Bill
She's like, no, you're, you're all good.

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Mike
aha All right, then.

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Bill
I'm like, no, okay. All right, then.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
So, yeah, I just got to go, you know, cardiologist because, you know, all said and done, I mean, I'm in I'm in good shape, you know, obviously feel great and all that stuff.

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Mike
Yeah?

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Bill
But I mean, you know, the bottom line is it's still I mean, i I have heart disease, you know, because I had that happen.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
So, you know, I just need to make sure that, you know, get get his or her opinion.

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Mike
Right?

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Bill
I think it's a female doctor. I'm going to see. I don't know, whatever, whatever doctor, um you don't get their opinion. I make sure everything everything's good and, you know, whatever the future prognosis is and what to do and blah, blah, blah.

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Mike
Right?

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Bill
And um I don't know. All i'll said and done. I'm good.

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Mike
Cool.

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Bill
I know.

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Mike
Good to know.

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Bill
It's just one those things. I'm like, really? that That's it. Nothing. nothing else to Nothing else to do, right?

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Mike
Yeah, I don't know.

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Bill
Just do what I do. Okay. All right. So last thing. I mean, I know we want to get into a reading, but you know what?

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Mike
Meh.

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Bill
This is this is our show. We can do whatever the fuck we want.

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Mike
That's right.

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Bill
Maybe we'll start doing the reading like after the break this year. Maybe. Who knows?

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
No, I'm just kidding. But a little worried about you this week, and I'm going to tell you why. Okay.

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Mike
right.

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Bill
So first of all, you left your house. Okay.

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Mike
I did.

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Bill
That's, that's number one.

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Mike
I

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Bill
You also left your city. Okay.

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Mike
ah did

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Bill
hang Hang on. Not only just left your city, but went to another city kind of far away, far ish, ish.

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Mike
Mm-hmm. Eh, eh.

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Bill
It's an ish. And you went, you went to a place where there's a, could have potentially been a lot of people.

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Mike
It's an ish.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
I'm like, are you okay?

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Mike
There were a lot of people.

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Bill
No, but you you took a trip and I want to hear about it.

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Mike
I did. Yeah.

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Bill
So it's up to you whether you want to talk about now later. But i i wrote that down. I'm like, I want to hear about ah mike's Mike's adventure.

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Mike
Ah, well, we could do that after the reading.

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Bill
Okay. Okay.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
And it's, yeah, like I said, I wanted to, I wanted to leave that, leave that up to you. But, um, uh, I mean, i was very interesting. I looked at all the pictures and I won't give any of it away, but, uh, it was, it looks like I'm very interested to hear about it.

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Mike
All right.

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Bill
Very interested. So, all right.

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Mike
Okay.

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Bill
So I, I think those are, those are all of our, uh, all of my little, little, alignment nonsense, nonsense. Yeah. Nonsense.

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Mike
Sure. Right.

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Bill
Okay.

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Mike
right. So reading. um

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Bill
If you, if you have one, I mean, ah if you don't,

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Mike
i i do. All right. A little bit of background. All right. So, um, We had, ah again, first of the year, right? ah Yeah. So I finished, well, I finished three books, but um one of them I finished for the year.

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Mike
um That's Keep It Simple. um You know, i I did this one twice, so I read it twice, two years, and You had been talking about touchstones.

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Mike
i I have a copy of it. So I was like, all right, I'm throwing that in rotation for the next year, probably two years, because that's generally what I do. um You know, nu or no, no.

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Bill
Wait, ah a fourth a fourth book? ah

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Mike
Don't be ridiculous.

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Bill
I just fucking rocks. I know the answer.

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Mike
Yeah, right. No, no, no, no. I'm taking Cupid's Simple out. I read it twice, and now I'm going to do Touchstones twice, assuming I make it another two years.

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Bill
Right. Right.

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Mike
We'll see. ah But anyway, so... um Oh, and... um so like New Year's Eve, right? You know, New Year's Eve morning, I got up and did my readings and had planned on substituting touchstones for keep it simple. So I grabbed my copy of touchstones and, you know, pulled it out and went and put it in the, my nightstand drawer. So I would have it for Monday or, you know, New Year's day morning.

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
And, um, Opened it up. I, you know, I have crap stuck in books. Always do. Always have. And, um you know, so I cracked it open to see if I had a bookmark in there or if I needed to transfer the one from Keep It Simple over to the new book.

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Bill
hey

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Mike
And I opened up Touchstones. And you're never going to guess what I found on New Year's Eve morning in my copy of Touchstones.

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Bill
i I'm guessing I will never guess. I can't even i can't even begin to think.

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Mike
Right. It's, it was the ticket stub of the new year's Eve, our first sober new year's Eve that, that, yup.

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Bill
ah

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Bill
no shit

00:11:04.31
Mike
No shit. i was like, holy fuck. Look at that.

00:11:09.75
Bill
You know, because I thought about that, um number one, I think about that every New Year's now, obviously, because, you know, I mean, that just, you know, we went someplace and then um I did the whole, you saw my AI Dick Clark thing.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
So I thought about the, course, the stroked out Dick Clark, that that that whole part, which again, it's everyone, we get it.

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Mike
You're

00:11:27.63
Bill
He was in bad shape, but they were, they fucking propped that poor soul up there.

00:11:30.20
Mike
Yes, they did. a couple Last couple years there, yeah, it was bad.

00:11:31.67
Bill
yeah.

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Bill
And i had i had I had not watched that in a number of years. So we go to this, again, this little sober boogaloo that we went to And, you know, Mike's like, um week we had it out.

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Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

00:11:46.02
Bill
It was before midnight. But I remember you on on a drive home. You're like, yeah were looks like going to get home in time to see a stroked-out... Dick Clark.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
And I'm like, like, what the fuck are you talking about? And he's like, just wait and see.

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Mike
Huh?

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Bill
And he didn't tell me.

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Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

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Bill
and I mean, I know who Dick Clark is, but I had no idea how ah I didn't know his health condition, but I had been drunk for the last probably like really drunk for the last probably handful of new years at a minimum.

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Mike
Sure.

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Mike
Right.

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Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

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Bill
So I get home and we turn the TV on and I'm like, holy fuck. Yeah. that's That's just, I felt, I really did. I felt i felt bad. i felt bad for him because I'm like, why why are they doing this this man?

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Mike
this is

00:12:24.83
Bill
I mean, he's just like, he was he was the, it was almost like the a bad cartoon making fun of him.

00:12:25.14
Mike
Right.

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Bill
is it was just, it was fucking terrible. It was fucking terrible.

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Mike
It was. And we did. It was.

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Bill
i can't I can't stop laughing about it because of how the setup was. Yep, I'm going to get old because he just stroked out Dick Clark.

00:12:45.94
Mike
and we did

00:12:46.94
Bill
And we did. And we did. So anyhow, I'm i'm sorry. That was a side note, but this it just makes makes me laugh every fucking year.

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Mike
that was

00:12:52.50
Bill
So, okay, go ahead.

00:12:53.75
Mike
All right. Well, yeah. So anyway, um keep it simple.

00:12:54.72
Bill
Okay.

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Mike
Actually, I was sitting there. um I'm like flipping through God grant me and I'm looking and because nothing jumped out this week, really. And I'm like going, fuck, I think I did that one.

00:13:08.02
Mike
That one sucks. I think I did that one. That one sucks. I think I did that one. That one sucks. Yeah. So, um you know, and kind of the same thing with keep it simple. I'm like flipping through going on. That one sucks.

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Mike
That one sucks. That one sucks. I think we did that one. That one sucks.

00:13:22.10
Bill
Bye.

00:13:22.30
Mike
So i' I'm running out. So hopefully we'll get some new stuff out Touchstones in this coming up next few weeks. But I did find one in Keep It Simple. So for the foreseeable future, this will be the last one from Keep It Simple. ahs June june twenty fourth ah I don't know.

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Bill
ah

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Mike
Was it the 24th or the 25th? Now I don't remember. Oh, the 25th. Never mind.

00:13:51.83
Bill
ah Okay.

00:13:52.89
Mike
Yes.

00:13:53.05
Bill
Well, that that makes that that makes all the difference in the world.

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Mike
it Doesn't it?

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Bill
So, yeah. who i'm glad i'm glad I'm just glad it wasn't the 24th.

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Mike
Anyway, right. and Yeah, me too.

00:14:01.78
Bill
That's all I'd say. o

00:14:02.71
Mike
Well, I can do the 24th.

00:14:03.06
Bill
wo

00:14:04.27
Mike
right here.

00:14:04.44
Bill
No, no, no, no.

00:14:04.67
Mike
But anyway, so I found this one.

00:14:05.48
Bill
You can't. No, that's... who

00:14:07.19
Mike
It wasn't completely horrible. And here we we go. ah June 25th. ah When a man points a finger at someone else, he should remember that three of his fingers are pointing back at himself.

00:14:22.20
Mike
Lewis Knitzer. Not a clue. ah Let's see. It's so easy you to blame others. Others are always making mistakes we can hide behind.

00:14:34.18
Mike
That's what blame Hiding. hiding When we blame others for our mistakes, we're trying to hide our character defects. It's nobody's fault that we act the way that we do.

00:14:46.90
Mike
It's our fault. We're responsible for our actions. And with the help of our higher power, we can change. We can turn over our character defects. But first, we have to know them.

00:15:01.21
Mike
Then we give up blaming others for our defects. Over time, we're not afraid to learn about ourselves, even the parts we don't like, because we want to know ourselves better.

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Mike
Prayer for the day. i pray for help in facing my character defects. Action for the day. I'll think about this past week. I'll list times I've used blame to hide from reality. Ooh.

00:15:32.02
Bill
So, first of all, back to the touchstones thing real quick. And I, yeah either yesterday or today, um I posted, and I agree with you, we you and I are so kind of in sync when it comes to the readings in a week.

00:15:34.81
Mike
Yes.

00:15:44.40
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:15:44.65
Bill
Because like there's a lot of times that we get on here, like, I did that before, this one sucks, this one sucks, nothing jumped out at me.

00:15:49.21
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

00:15:50.21
Bill
And I'm like, I usually... agree with you on that because I'll sometimes have to, I'll go into my photos and I'll just spin back and grab one from whenever, if they, if one of them doesn't really jump out at me, you know, so I did that at least three times this week, which is not out of the ordinary, but, um, it happens.

00:16:00.28
Mike
Right.

00:16:02.76
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:16:06.78
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

00:16:08.36
Bill
But then the, um, I didn't know when we were talking about, I didn't know how long I've been reading touchstones, but at a minimum, at least a year, Because I had posted the one from either New Year's Day or today last year.

00:16:14.62
Mike
Right.

00:16:20.97
Bill
It came up as a memory on Facebook.

00:16:21.25
Mike
Okay.

00:16:22.51
Bill
And I'm like, well, I've probably been reading that for a year, year and a half.

00:16:22.68
Mike
Right.

00:16:25.87
Bill
I don't have these clean cutoffs like you do.

00:16:27.90
Mike
Okay.

00:16:28.98
Bill
I just, whatever I was reading before, I think it was a day at a time. And I still like it. I'll still pull some of those from my pictures. Yeah. Um, but it just, I was, I get sick of it.

00:16:39.78
Bill
I just read it too many fucking times, you know, and whatever it was, whatever day, you know, I decided to make a change and I did.

00:16:40.97
Mike
Sure.

00:16:44.98
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. Right.

00:16:46.99
Bill
Um, but yeah, I think you'll, I think you'll enjoy touchstones is, is my point on that. But, um, so the, the, a couple of things on that, and I guess the, the action part of it first, anything that, um, it wanted to say anything that we blamed or, used blame or tried to hide from, or what did that say?

00:17:02.04
Mike
All right, I'll think back past week. I'll list the times I've used blame to hide from reality.

00:17:08.70
Bill
Okay, so I guess let's start with that.

00:17:11.29
Mike
Yeah.

00:17:11.73
Bill
um i mean, it's a good place to start, right? have you Do you think you've used blame to hide from anything this week?

00:17:14.80
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:17:17.72
Mike
No, I have not.

00:17:20.98
Bill
Now, here's the question, because I can answer the second part to a positive. Did you want to?

00:17:26.54
Mike
Oh, no, of course, always.

00:17:31.42
Mike
Right. Yeah. you of course. Yeah. ah Yeah. mean Motherfuckers. It's all their fault, but I know better.

00:17:36.25
Bill
Right.

00:17:37.10
Mike
And um again, being selfish and self-centered, I enjoy the freedom that I have today. And I know the price of that freedom today is taking full responsibility for everything.

00:17:48.82
Mike
So that's what I do.

00:17:50.94
Bill
Right.

00:17:51.64
Mike
Yeah.

00:17:51.70
Bill
Yeah. And it's, uh, it, it is really, really easy. you know, that, and it's, that I don't know, it's part of the, it is part of me. I know it's ah certainly part of my, my makeup and my past and everything like that, that, I mean, yeah, when, when something happens, my immediate thing is that I don't, I don't want to take responsibility for it.

00:18:02.21
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

00:18:09.06
Bill
I certainly don't want to take, you know, I don't want to take the blame, you know, for it and all the, all the fucking time.

00:18:09.33
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

00:18:15.66
Bill
And again, almost, and we're rounding that corner again, you know, on ah now 16 fucking years and And it hasn't changed.

00:18:20.50
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

00:18:22.32
Bill
every fight that Sometimes, every single time, something, whether it's of significance happens where I i could or would or would like to, you know i that's my first thought.

00:18:28.77
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:18:34.04
Bill
I want to find somebody or something else to blame because I don't want to take responsibility for it.

00:18:34.29
Mike
Yeah.

00:18:38.99
Mike
Right. Mm hmm.

00:18:39.43
Bill
Yeah.

00:18:39.51
Mike
hmm.

00:18:39.80
Bill
And of course, yeah, that old saying, you know, when you're pointing at somebody, three, three fingers pointing back, blah, blah, blah.

00:18:45.59
Mike
right

00:18:46.20
Bill
I get that.

00:18:46.52
Mike
so

00:18:47.06
Bill
I get that. But, um, so, and I, I don't remember, i don't know. I don't, I guess I don't remember thinking about this or if we, if we had talked about this before as blaming others is, is hiding.

00:18:57.89
Bill
Do you, did you always consider it that? I mean, like since with the whole sobriety thing, have you considered that to be, did you understand that as a hiding thing or, or no?

00:19:06.78
Mike
Um, yeah I mean, probably not first couple of uh, yeah, you know, clearly, um, yeah, because you're not taking responsibility for it.

00:19:12.47
Bill
Right.

00:19:19.80
Mike
And so therefore you're, you're, you're hiding, you're hiding your fault and, um, yeah, you know, hiding again, responsibility. God, there's a fucking word.

00:19:30.82
Mike
you Just can't get away from.

00:19:31.51
Bill
Right. right

00:19:36.63
Mike
So, yeah, of course, you're hiding. Yeah. Trying not to be seen. Eh, whatever. Here I am. Look at me in all my glory. Mm-hmm.

00:19:47.96
Bill
yeah Yeah, it's just, I don't know that I've ever, um I'm sure it's been talked about before, but maybe I just, you know, kind of glossed over it, didn't really pay attention to the hiding part, but I, and you know, it also mentioned too, you know, hiding, you know, by blaming it's hiding our our character defects, which um I mean, that that makes perfect sense, but I guess I just don't i don't think that I really looked at it that way, that if I was trying to to blame somebody else that I was hiding those character defects.

00:20:07.35
Mike
Right.

00:20:14.93
Bill
but And I've got a side note on character defects here in a second, but um I mean, I don't i don't know.

00:20:15.28
Mike
hmm. Hmm.

00:20:20.33
Bill
it's just it's it's I think it's a hard thing, even to this day. i I don't know if it's, if it's hard. I mean, it can be hard in, in, in a ah circumstance like that to, to admit that it's our character defects, but I don't know for me. um i if nothing else, it's kind of like knowing that, that I'm an alcoholic and there's knowing that there's a solution and knowing I'm part of it is the same way.

00:20:42.50
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:20:42.91
Bill
I try to look at my character defects. They're not pretty, they're not, they're not glamorous.

00:20:44.89
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

00:20:47.83
Bill
But I don't, To this point, I don't think that... Maybe that's why I didn't look at it as hiding. because i'm That's not my point. i I want to blame somebody else, but I really wasn't thinking about trying to cover up my character defects.

00:20:59.25
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:20:59.57
Bill
I'd like to recognize them because I know how i know how bad they can be. You know, if that makes any sense.

00:21:03.93
Mike
Sure. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

00:21:07.48
Bill
h

00:21:07.62
Mike
Yeah. yeah

00:21:09.08
Bill
Okay.

00:21:09.91
Mike
Yes. Right. But again, you know, assigning blame outside of yourself, which we tend not to do anymore. So, yeah.

00:21:18.51
Bill
Right.

00:21:19.43
Mike
So we're not trying to hide our character defects. Here they are again, all their glory. Yeah. yeah and And, you know, how are you going to how you going to fix something if you haven't identified the problem?

00:21:31.00
Mike
Yeah, so, you know, I get it.

00:21:31.60
Bill
Right.

00:21:33.87
Mike
i get it. And, you know, I mean, character defects, yeah. You know, some of them we're comfortable with. And, you know, um clearly try to lessen them.

00:21:44.71
Mike
um And there's, you know, there's some I know that just aren't ever going to go away. um You know, i could all I can do is turn the volume down on them. Yeah.

00:21:56.63
Bill
i think I think you said that before, and I like that.

00:21:58.39
Mike
er

00:21:59.71
Bill
It's it's it's a great analogy. you know it's It's there.

00:22:01.40
Mike
Yeah.

00:22:02.35
Bill
I can hear it the background, but just turn the volume down just a little bit.

00:22:03.61
Mike
Right.

00:22:06.19
Bill
It's okay.

00:22:06.78
Mike
Right.

00:22:08.15
Bill
it's not know I'm not like playing playing it like it's fucking death metal anymore. you know and my As I'm driving down the road, I'm going,

00:22:12.57
Mike
Yes.

00:22:15.45
Mike
yeah

00:22:16.60
Bill
um But yeah, i like that, though. yeah i really do. It turned the volume down on that because, you know, the the thing of it is that and and I know that we've talked about it before. I think my biggest my biggest one is, you know, patience or lack of is probably my my biggest character defect.

00:22:33.15
Bill
Um, I mean, there's, there's others, but I think that that's the one that's probably the most, the most glaring, you know, and I can, I can still get into, you know, where I can, um, you know, feel less than, or try to compare and and all that.

00:22:46.30
Bill
And, you know, it's to people that, you know, again, it's, it's this fucking social media shit that a lot of people get, get tied into.

00:22:51.42
Mike
Right.

00:22:52.10
Bill
um I'm far better than I, than I used to be, even a few years ago when we first got into this. Cause I mean, I had, I had been on Facebook, but And you get on, you get on fucking Instagram and that's like, i mean, that's like Facebook on, you know, super steroids or, you know, super meth or whatever you want to fucking call it.

00:23:05.62
Mike
is sure

00:23:08.62
Bill
It's, it's crazy. You know um it's, it is, it's just, a it's just more, you know, and then it's a large, a louder volume. Yeah.

00:23:17.82
Mike
All right. That's probably why I don't go on there.

00:23:20.73
Bill
Yeah, which I mean, I, I, I got, it took me a little bit. It actually took me, um you know, it was by a necessity that I turned that volume down.

00:23:24.52
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:23:28.12
Mike
Sure. Mm-hmm.

00:23:28.80
Bill
And it was when I started working this job, because I couldn't, I couldn't have the notifications up, I couldn't get on there as much, I couldn't do all that stuff, which was a really, as a, as they say, hashtag blessed, it's a blessing.

00:23:40.50
Mike
Right.

00:23:40.79
Bill
I don't want to look at it that way, but it was, it was kind of a gift, you know, for me to, to not be able to do that because it's just, it, it's a fucking lot. It's noisy. It's really fucking noisy.

00:23:50.97
Mike
yeah

00:23:51.04
Bill
Um, but then, you know, I wrote down to, you know, responsible for our actions, which, um, I, I don't have any issue and I don't think you have any issue with being responsible for your actions these days, but, but man, I mean, how, how long did that take, that take us to, you know, get to that point?

00:24:05.80
Bill
I mean, do you think, what do you think year two years to really get?

00:24:06.10
Mike
right Oh, yeah. Easily. Five.

00:24:11.90
Bill
I'm sorry. and five

00:24:13.53
Mike
Yeah. To even approach. Yeah. Getting any sort of handle on it. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. i Yeah. Mm hmm.

00:24:19.38
Bill
Yeah. and and I laughed at that to begin with, but then I'm like, God, that's probably, i don't think that's far off now that I think about it.

00:24:26.01
Mike
yeah o he

00:24:28.00
Bill
That's, you know, so I'm thinking where i was at where I was at five years, you know, and I think it's some of my actions that, you know, five and six years and I know certain things in my in my path and how I've reacted to certain things.

00:24:31.42
Mike
this

00:24:39.66
Bill
And um I'm like, oh, yeah, you're responsible for my actions.

00:24:40.02
Mike
Yeah.

00:24:43.06
Mike
Yeah.

00:24:43.20
Bill
Yep. Okay. Okay.

00:24:43.64
Mike
Yeah. Uh-huh.

00:24:44.10
Bill
Or, you know, wanting to to face, you know, things that the proper way, whatever the case may be. But, yeah, I mean, I don't, again, I don't i don't think. But then again, who knows?

00:24:54.37
Bill
You know, again, if we make it around for another, you know, two, three years, five years, whatever the case is, maybe we'll look back at that, you know, what the 15th year and be like, ooh, yeah, that was, you remember that 15th year?

00:25:01.98
Mike
yeah yeah

00:25:05.02
Bill
Remember the that shit you were doing then?

00:25:05.14
Mike
yeah

00:25:07.05
Bill
Yeah.

00:25:07.61
Mike
aha

00:25:09.85
Bill
But, yeah, you know what? And you know it's kind of funny because the um the blame thing, you know, I had a ah work work has been it's it's it's the common topic with me. And I can't I can't wait to just um I want to part of me just wants to I can't explain what what's happening.

00:25:26.01
Bill
You know, that's saying I i won't explain it. Just I can't explain that that downturn. I don't know what's happening. And, you know, it's like my my manager was like, well, we don't know.

00:25:31.35
Mike
Sure.

00:25:35.17
Bill
I'm like, part of me is like that. That's what I want to blame. i'm like, it's your fucking job. You know, it's like im if I was a baseball player and I kept striking out, you need to tell me what the fuck I'm doing.

00:25:39.54
Mike
Right.

00:25:44.62
Bill
Or I'm a, you know, I'm a, I'm a quarterback that, you know, keeps throwing interceptions. What am I not seeing? You know, I'm missing something and I don't know what it is and I can't figure it out.

00:25:50.55
Mike
Right.

00:25:53.63
Bill
It's driving me fucking nuts. So yeah, with that, I want to blame, but yeah, You know what? And another again, you know, slowish month, whatever it was, blah, bla blah, blah. And the way I looked at I'm like, OK, so here's what the deal is in my head.

00:26:05.13
Bill
I'm like, this is just solidifying that, you know, whatever whatever powers of the fucking universe, they're making me hurt enough, you know, where it's like, OK, no, you need to make this other thing work or make something else work, because deep down, you're probably not this.

00:26:17.21
Mike
Right.

00:26:20.42
Bill
I'm not saying this wasn't a good decision for me to take this job. You know, I was going back into something I knew it's it's easy.

00:26:23.06
Mike
Right.

00:26:27.19
Bill
It's the same thing I did when we came out of the Keating Center. i was looking for sales jobs and this and that. Couldn't find a job. And, you know, the first fucking place I applied, there's a collection job. I got the job and got hired, you know, because that's what I do.

00:26:37.74
Mike
Right.

00:26:38.51
Bill
And that's what I know, you know.

00:26:39.80
Mike
Yeah.

00:26:40.14
Bill
um And this was something different and blah, blah, blah. But it's the same old fucking shit. We were we were talking about, you know, the, you know, i think we were talking about the, you know, dress up a pig, you know, pig in a suit type of thing.

00:26:49.64
Mike
Yup.

00:26:49.90
Bill
That's that's all this goddamn law firm is. It's a nicely dressed pig. It's the same fucking thing that I've been dealing with for 30 fucking years.

00:26:53.05
Mike
mrs Right. Still pork.

00:26:56.34
Bill
Yeah, it is. It's still a fucking pig and I've been dealing with it for 30 fucking years and I didn't learn. Again, i can't it's not really a regret thing because it's allowed me to do the things I want to do. um But seriously, I think it's given me enough pain where I'm like, okay, yeah, no, I need to get this fucking straightened out, whatever it is.

00:27:13.39
Mike
Yeah.

00:27:14.04
Bill
Because it's just not, it's not worth the, life's too goddamn short. That's all, that's all I got to say about that.

00:27:18.17
Mike
Yes, it is.

00:27:19.39
Bill
It's just too fucking short.

00:27:20.95
Mike
Yep.

00:27:22.30
Bill
um But anyhow, so what, what else with the reading? I mean, first of all, I, I liked it. I like looking at these, these little things like this that are, that are, you know, definitely big things, but what else? Anything else with the reading?

00:27:33.62
Mike
Nah, I don't think so. I think we've covered it fairly well.

00:27:37.30
Bill
So the the real quick thing on the character defects, and there was it somebody on, speaking of the noisy Instagram, I think it was today, or yes, probably was today, somebody, and it's somebody that that we know, and I'm not going to name the individual, but um had this post about you know character defects, and this this whole this individual seems to be really kind of ah lately...

00:27:43.03
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:27:59.61
Bill
I don't want to, well, maybe attacking might be the wrong word, but really pushing the envelope at some of the, I'll call them the isms of Alcoholics Anonymous. And character defects is one.

00:28:11.43
Bill
It was like, you know, why are we, fit why are we, you know, forced to face or even, you know, what are character defects and what are, why are we forced to ah to admit that we have these things that don't, what I'm just like, oh my God.

00:28:16.63
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:28:23.26
Bill
And then the word, you know, like the word alcoholic was brought up. Well, what is an alcoholic? This and that, blah, blah. blah And I'm like, oh my God, this person's kind of going in this weird direction. um And again, it's so it's somebody that we know.

00:28:32.12
Mike
is it

00:28:34.94
Bill
Okay.

00:28:35.13
Mike
right

00:28:35.18
Bill
And i'm I'm just all I'm going to say about that part of it. But part of me, I just want to be like,

00:28:37.75
Mike
yeah

00:28:41.66
Bill
The same thing with this other fucking, you know, knob ass that we've been talking about for a couple of years now with trying to change the word.

00:28:47.08
Mike
Right.

00:28:48.18
Bill
Why do you fucking care? If if it's if it's not your thing, just leave it fucking be, you know?

00:28:50.16
Mike
Right.

00:28:53.88
Mike
Right.

00:28:55.03
Bill
Why do you have to go on Instagram and try to try to fucking bash something that works for millions and millions of people?

00:28:57.08
Mike
yeah

00:29:00.19
Bill
I don't understand it You know, and I mean, grant granted, I can do exactly what I did is scroll.

00:29:02.01
Mike
m

00:29:06.08
Bill
I just don't I don't understand how it'd be like, I don't know, pick pick anything that that you and I. Let's go with the um I guess an easy one. So we just talked about it a little bit ago, the non-alcoholic beverages.

00:29:17.57
Bill
We were talking about this before we got on.

00:29:18.22
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:29:19.41
Bill
um

00:29:19.70
Mike
Right.

00:29:20.63
Bill
Just so everyone knows, if we haven't made it clear, neither Mike or I have ever had or probably ever will have a non-alcoholic beverage, you know, other than tea, soda, water.

00:29:30.36
Mike
Right.

00:29:30.59
Bill
You know, the.

00:29:30.64
Mike
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The basic ones. Right.

00:29:32.70
Bill
Yeah, these these soft drinks we will have. um

00:29:35.19
Mike
Yes.

00:29:36.15
Bill
you know But the this whole new thing and this whole new trend, we're we're not on it because two things, right?

00:29:40.88
Mike
Right.

00:29:42.06
Bill
It kind of goes against the the mindset and the ideals, I would say, right, of Alcoholics Anonymous.

00:29:45.75
Mike
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

00:29:47.54
Bill
um But on top of that, I think both of us, I know I am, I'm of the opinion that if I start drinking an NA beer or an NA spirit or an NA wine, if I like wine, sooner or later, I'm going to get to the point and I'm going to be like, what?

00:29:55.19
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:30:01.75
Bill
Why don't I just have the real one? I mean, this tastes really, really good and I'm getting nothing from it.

00:30:03.38
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

00:30:07.10
Bill
What's, what's the fucking point? You know, I don't trust myself.

00:30:09.02
Mike
Right.

00:30:10.29
Bill
I just don't, you know, but so that would be the fact that you and i are, I'll say against only in the fact that we don't do it. If we get on social media and just started bashing fucking non-alcoholic beverages, what's,

00:30:18.22
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:30:23.16
Mike
Yeah.

00:30:23.26
Bill
would be kind of the same concept, right? um It's not our thing, but it's a thing for other people.

00:30:25.62
Mike
Sure. Mm-hmm.

00:30:28.34
Bill
And there's plenty of people that quit drinking and that that is a help for them. They were like, okay, i enjoy i enjoy this and I'm able to do this and this is my this is my quote unquote fix and I'm good with it and it doesn't threaten my sobriety.

00:30:40.10
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

00:30:42.82
Bill
Well, fucking more power to you. Yeah.

00:30:44.34
Mike
Right. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, but it's just, yeah, right, not for me. I mean, i you know, first of all, I mean, yes, i I liked a good bourbon, absolutely, don't get me wrong, but I liked crap bourbon too for for other reasons.

00:30:56.61
Bill
Right.

00:31:00.89
Bill
Right.

00:31:02.09
Mike
And yeah, I just, you know, whatever. um I mean, I've i've ah flirted in my mind with, um I loved Guinness. I didn't drink it very often because, you know, it wasn't like huge alcohol content and So why the fuck would I drink it? um But I really like the flavor of it. And, ah you know, there's a non-alcoholic Guinness.

00:31:23.61
Mike
And I've thought about yeah maybe I'll try that one of these days because I really liked the taste of it. You know, and it's kind it's been so long. How the fuck would I know the difference if it tastes much different than the original?

00:31:35.06
Bill
Right.

00:31:35.83
Mike
ah You know, but I haven't done it yet. It's not like I'm going to go out of my way. If if in the future I'm somewhere where there's an a non-alcoholic Guinness there and I'm in the right frame of mind, I may try one, you know.

00:31:50.86
Bill
Right.

00:31:51.32
Mike
But I'm not going to go to the store and buy them, you know.

00:31:54.38
Bill
Right. yeah

00:31:56.86
Mike
And, you know, to to non-alcoholic vodka, what the fuck is that even, you know, ah potato water.

00:32:04.63
Bill
Well, there was there was a um and I know we had talked about it because I it was before we started doing this. But um and I could probably easily find the episode, to listen to it again and get more get more detail on it Not that it matters, but they had this the original sober podcast that I listened to.

00:32:10.10
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:32:21.20
Bill
She had a guy on talking about the the whole distilling process of non-alcoholic.

00:32:21.32
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:32:27.36
Bill
um Hard alcohol. and And basically what they do, they distill it the same way, but then they have to um reprocess it again and take the alcohol out, take like all the stuff out.

00:32:30.09
Mike
Yeah.

00:32:39.06
Bill
And then I guess somehow filter out the alcohol and then put everything else back in without the alcohol.

00:32:39.19
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:32:45.06
Bill
That was the concept, like, you know, to get to keep the flavors and everything in it.

00:32:45.36
Mike
Hmm.

00:32:48.54
Bill
So it's basically like, i don't know if you want to call it double distilled or this and that.

00:32:52.47
Mike
Sure.

00:32:52.85
Bill
It was interesting when I was thinking about And he said that you're still going to get trace amounts. And he was talking about certain foods that have alcohol in them. Um, you know, whatever the trace amounts he goes, it's, it's equivalent to this, this, this blah, blah, blah.

00:33:03.63
Bill
know what I mean? You got figure, I mean, that was, was fucked. That was four plus years ago that at least I'm, I'm guessing just because it's such a big business and the process has gotten better.

00:33:08.44
Mike
Sure.

00:33:14.22
Bill
Um, but same deal. It would just be weird to me. I don't, I don't get it, but I don't get any of that stuff.

00:33:17.34
Mike
Yeah. Right.

00:33:18.66
Bill
Um, but so Guinness, where is the, um, where's the main, um, factory for Guinness?

00:33:25.91
Mike
Ireland.

00:33:26.68
Bill
Okay. So, um, well, whatever, and I can't remember what, whatever city in Ireland it is. That's what I was, I couldn't remember the, not that, that it really matters.

00:33:32.70
Mike
Right.

00:33:34.44
Bill
Um, so there was a and I don't think you and I talked about but this. Maybe I read an article or heard it on a podcast. So what the deal was is with this, and this might've been a few years ago or even a couple years ago.

00:33:40.12
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:33:44.54
Bill
So Guinness had this little so they got their their their big fucking huge factor, however big it is. And they had this little corner of this factory and they started dabbling with this non-alcoholic stuff because of the the boom in the industry and all that stuff.

00:33:49.52
Mike
Right.

00:33:57.82
Mike
Right.

00:33:58.07
Bill
And then they went from this little corner to this to the space. And then they they ended up building a whole wing now. to brew this non-alcoholic beer.

00:34:07.82
Mike
Yeah.

00:34:08.09
Bill
And because of the popularity, they were fucking floored, apparently, you know, with it.

00:34:08.36
Mike
Right.

00:34:13.26
Mike
Right.

00:34:13.70
Bill
And it's turned out to be big business for them. But there was something, i was I was thinking about this the other day because I heard something about it. Well, two things is that, For the first time, oh, there's i know i there's an article that I want to read up.

00:34:25.48
Bill
i'll get that I'll get to that later. But I think this year, and I think this was on the Sober Curator, um this year was the first year since whatever year, I mean, years and years and years and years, that alcohol consumption as ah as a nation dropped by a certain percentage.

00:34:40.16
Bill
you know, as a nation, you know, which I thought was kind of interesting.

00:34:40.44
Mike
Right. listen

00:34:43.66
Bill
I know there's not just a lot of, you know, Gen Zers, but there's a lot of people that are making health choices for doing it. Some people drinking less, whatever the case may be. But um it was like the first time literally that it's that there hasn't been growth.

00:34:52.19
Mike
Right.

00:34:56.54
Bill
It's been a decline and it went to a pretty ah substantial percentage the other direction, which I thought was kind of interesting.

00:35:00.67
Mike
Right.

00:35:02.63
Bill
But I do know that the non-alcoholic beverage side of things has grown just ridiculously, you know.

00:35:08.09
Mike
Right.

00:35:09.34
Bill
But, but ah anyhow, so back back to, back to my, my original point with that is that I don't understand why people are bashing our shit. We're not bashing your shit. So fuck off.

00:35:17.66
Mike
Right.

00:35:18.07
Bill
yeah But, but yeah, it's just, I thought about it. I'm like, I don't, i don't understand it. It's like I said, this, at this individual, I, again, I'm i'm not going to say anything to this person, but just kind of shaking my hand.

00:35:30.86
Bill
Like, where where the fuck are you going with this? You know, I just don't, I don't get it.

00:35:32.63
Mike
Right.

00:35:34.22
Bill
But, um Then still, I mean, all these people with this new year stuff, there was a, another one that came off. I saw this on Facebook and I was just shaking my fucking head. um Somebody I know from one of the meetings I went to in Milwaukee.

00:35:47.03
Mike
Yeah.

00:35:47.13
Bill
This person's been sober. I believe now, there's some time under, under this person's belt, six, seven years, somewhere in there. If I, if I'm thinking right, you know, so the person's been around for a minute.

00:35:57.53
Bill
And then the post on Facebook was, does anyone else find it difficult to tell people happy new year, knowing what we dealt, we just got done dealing with 2025 and what we're continuing to deal with in 2026.

00:35:57.92
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:36:13.74
Bill
And I'm like, in my, I'm like, right at my computer screen, I'm like what the fuck are you talking about?

00:36:19.61
Mike
Right.

00:36:20.21
Bill
And then I read some of the comments is like two, three people commented on It's like, yes, I'm just sitting back and all this stuff. And we haven't, done i I mean, I know what it is. I see the, it's a lot of, it's all the Trump stuff and I get it.

00:36:30.97
Mike
right

00:36:31.25
Bill
But we talked about that. And I think that um both of us have been clear. We were not fans of the band. Right.

00:36:37.94
Mike
right

00:36:38.42
Bill
um But we've also been kind of, we understand that. What did you say that how, when, who's the last good politician we had? Yeah.

00:36:46.89
Mike
last good president.

00:36:47.93
Bill
Yeah, even yeah I'll say even politician, but yeah, let's go back president. Let's make it easier.

00:36:52.06
Mike
I mean, the last one with half a brain in his head was Clinton and he was a sleazeball, so, you know.

00:36:57.17
Bill
Right.

00:37:00.34
Bill
Yeah, I know. And it's just, again, you'd take you say, well, person was okay here, but that this person was okay here.

00:37:05.34
Mike
Right.

00:37:06.22
Bill
But, you know, I mean, all fucking politicians are fucking garbage.

00:37:07.14
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:37:10.42
Bill
They're all fucking garbage, you know?

00:37:10.59
Mike
Yeah. Yes, they are.

00:37:12.02
Bill
And what I wanted to do, I wanted so bad, but I didn't.

00:37:12.73
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:37:16.50
Bill
I just wanted to to post on this thing and just say, you know, because they were talking about happiness, I think, with that too. You know, how could I, would what are we dealing And I want to say you should know better, number one, but I wouldn't say that.

00:37:28.57
Mike
h

00:37:28.90
Bill
But like this whole happiness is a byproduct thing that we talk about, you know, live your life in a way that brings you happiness and stop focusing on all this fucking garbage out there.

00:37:31.29
Mike
Right.

00:37:38.78
Mike
Yeah.

00:37:39.48
Bill
It is what it fucking is. You know, it just is.

00:37:40.95
Mike
this is Yeah. Right. Yeah.

00:37:43.70
Bill
You know.

00:37:44.44
Mike
I know. Yeah. I, I, hell I saw one the other day. Right. It's, uh, you know, uh, I'm friends with him on Facebook. Um, not really friends with them in real life. Met him a couple times, whatever.

00:37:54.74
Mike
It doesn't matter. Um, you know, and he's, he's going on about, you know, this past year and he's like listing all this pretty cool stuff, you know, good stuff, whatever his relationship, his career, blah, blah, blah blah bla blah, blah.

00:38:08.82
Mike
And then he's like, it was a shit year. And I'm just going, Oh my God, you know, it

00:38:13.05
Bill
ah

00:38:15.48
Mike
focus on the good man. He's a normie. So he's, you know, whatever, but I mean, you know, focus on the shit you just fucking listed.

00:38:19.70
Bill
Right.

00:38:23.42
Mike
It's, you know, it wasn't that bad. you know, things are yeah again, what do you choose to focus on? What do you choose to, you know, have be your life, you know, all this good stuff. And yeah, but it was garbage because of all this outside shit that doesn't have anything to do with you. Okay, man. Yeah. It was a real fucking bad year for you.

00:38:44.59
Bill
Right.

00:38:45.08
Mike
Yeah.

00:38:46.01
Bill
Yeah. I just don't, I don't, I don't get it And you know, you and I talked and I think, and I don't want to speak for you, but I think you had, you had kind of a, um, just knowing how, how your year went when you had a super high point, I think, well, you got fucking engaged, you know, I don't, not that that's, I said that the wrong way.

00:38:58.84
Mike
Yeah.

00:39:02.34
Bill
You fucking got, I shouldn't use the F word. You got engaged and I think it's wonderful. Yeah.

00:39:07.45
Mike
Right.

00:39:07.96
Bill
and it's beautiful because yes, why, why wouldn't you two? You guys are, guys are wonderful. I love you both.

00:39:12.71
Mike
Hmm.

00:39:12.86
Bill
So huge high point right in the middle of the year. Okay. But even taken, taken aside all that year, I think your year, correct me if I'm wrong, probably it was just kind of like this, you know, this flow along type of year.

00:39:24.22
Bill
I don't think you had many, many highs and lows this year, except for that one big, one big high in the middle, right?

00:39:24.47
Mike
Yeah.

00:39:28.44
Mike
Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. You know, it's, it's yeah right.

00:39:31.90
Bill
You know, with,

00:39:33.53
Mike
It's, it's life, man. It's again, back to what we started with, you know, fucking one day at a time, every, you know, yeah.

00:39:39.33
Bill
Right.

00:39:40.01
Mike
You know, no bad days, bad moments. And yes, it's, ah it's all, you know, yeah but for, you know, The scales are are pretty fucking even, man. And that's a good thing. You know, what do we talk about? Balance all the time? Yes, balance. So, yes, let's let's keep it in the middle of the road, in the middle of the bed, in the middle that fucking everything, man.

00:40:04.20
Bill
Right. Well, and in the same thing, you know, you and I talked about, you know, the the things that I that I could easily, you know, try to focus on and complain about. And I talk about work a lot because it's ah this is a place for me to I for me to open up and and and put everything in perspective, because other than that, nine times out of 10, I'm just, you know, rattling this shit around in my head.

00:40:18.01
Mike
m

00:40:22.14
Bill
And that's it's dumb for me to do that, you know. So I can talk about it and you and I can, you know, joke about it and do whatever it is. So work wasn't the best, but it is what it is. i i had a job and I was able to travel.

00:40:32.78
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:40:34.29
Bill
um You know, I could, right.

00:40:34.52
Mike
Got a paycheck.

00:40:36.50
Bill
And I could easily say, and I don't, I don't know what it is. i want to look back at it just out of fun. Cause I want to, I did like a little collage last year between my April to April, you know, from when I traveled a little collage of all the things.

00:40:47.50
Bill
um I don't think I, well, I know I didn't, I didn't travel as much because, you know, things just wasn't as affordable.

00:40:51.14
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:40:53.46
Bill
Yeah. But the trips I took were fucking wonderful, you know?

00:40:53.96
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:40:56.70
Bill
And do I want to take a look back at what I just talked about? You know, the my health stuff. Well, here's the thing. I could have fucking died, but I got it fixed instead.

00:41:03.32
Mike
Yeah.

00:41:04.30
Bill
So so that's what I want to choose to look at.

00:41:04.64
Mike
Mm-hmm. Yeah. That's pretty good. Right.

00:41:07.58
Bill
and And then, you know what? Here's the thing. So I went, to obviously, I was in Wisconsin last last weekend, and I got together with my kids. And Dawn and Corey were there, which was wonderful.

00:41:18.16
Bill
My stepson and his his girlfriend came over with their baby.

00:41:18.20
Mike
Cool. Cool.

00:41:21.32
Bill
So we got to see the baby for it a little bit.

00:41:21.91
Mike
Ah, nice.

00:41:23.28
Bill
So, I mean, that was fucking wonderful. um And then, you know, I mean, a lot of people, you know, i hadn't seen Corey since this happened. I hadn't seen Dawn since it happened.

00:41:31.99
Mike
Right.

00:41:32.21
Bill
As I was leaving, you know, Corey made some message. goes, I'm really glad that, you know, you're you're doing well with all all this stuff, with the medical stuff. I'm like, oh, I'm doing great.

00:41:40.33
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:41:40.83
Bill
And then my Alec, my stepson, he's like, what medical stuff? And then he apparently said that to Derek and Derek told him, he's like, Bill, because I'm about to walk out the door.

00:41:44.93
Mike
Okay.

00:41:49.25
Mike
Right. Right.

00:41:50.74
Bill
He's like, come here. So I, you know, take this, you know, probably 15, 20 minutes to tell my stepson everything that happened.

00:41:52.38
Mike
you

00:41:56.58
Bill
um You know, but the thing with it is that I was, I was in a room full of people, you know, that, that truly care about me, you know, in the same thing, I was in a room full of people at Thanksgiving that cared about me and Christmas that cared about me, you know, and, you know, things like that.

00:42:09.46
Mike
right

00:42:11.50
Bill
And just people are, I don't know. This is a life we have, and I'll say we, because we have had, you know, 15, almost 16 years of, well, maybe not all that time.

00:42:22.94
Bill
So take out the first, what, two couple of years and we were getting getting our feet under us under us.

00:42:25.69
Mike
Uh-huh. Yeah. Right.

00:42:28.09
Bill
Whatever. We've had a number of years where we've been, you know, doing the next right thing and trying to make our our little corner of the world a better place and whatever. And you know what? Regardless of what happens in in the world and in in life in a 2025 versus versus and fucking wherever Think about all.

00:42:49.07
Bill
That's what I like to think about. I know you are. I know you do, too.

00:42:50.99
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:42:51.67
Bill
You know, we think about these these moments that we have, you know, that with with these people, you know, whether it's one person you're spending time with.

00:42:52.03
Mike
Right.

00:42:59.99
Bill
I hung out with my friend, my friend Laura on Saturday and I hadn't seen her in six years or something like that. And, you know, if if she ends up listening to this, she'd be the first one to admit it to.

00:43:10.45
Bill
And she bounced around in this whole sobriety thing for a number of years. She went out moved out to Colorado about six years ago.

00:43:14.51
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:43:17.73
Bill
I think maybe that'd be even seven years since I had seen her. But, um you know, she we talked about it and I ended up messaging her, i don't know, a month or so ago, which so I found out how long. Um, but she's, yeah, she goes, finally, cause she got, I just had enough, you know, and she's been sober ever since she didn't do like a structured a a or anything like that.

00:43:30.97
Mike
Yeah.

00:43:35.69
Bill
She did smart recovery years ago, but she's got this plant, you know, this, uh, this process in place, you know, she's got, you know, a number of years under her belt.

00:43:37.83
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:43:41.02
Mike
right

00:43:43.85
Bill
and It was just nice, you know, but having these people in the, in these moments with these people, that's the shit that fucking matters.

00:43:44.09
Mike
Nice. Mm-hmm.

00:43:51.17
Bill
All this other goddamn noise that's out there. um I don't know.

00:43:53.91
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:43:54.37
Bill
i mean, yeah, we can choose to, we can choose, you know, to the fucking focus on it, but two things, I want to sleep at night want to enjoy the times I have with those people. And I wouldn't have had that, these nice conversations.

00:44:02.74
Mike
Right.

00:44:05.36
Bill
Cause you know what those conversations would have been?

00:44:07.53
Mike
Mm

00:44:08.31
Bill
Fucking bitching about either the the White House or, you know, the economy or gas prices or fucking grocery prices.

00:44:13.13
Mike
hmm.

00:44:15.77
Bill
Fuck all that.

00:44:16.93
Mike
Yep.

00:44:17.62
Bill
ah No goddamn desire to can talk about any of that bullshit. I want to I don't know.

00:44:22.87
Mike
Mm hmm. Mm

00:44:24.31
Bill
But, yeah, just I keep seeing these people, so many people, you know, about this this year to year type of thing. And I just don't I'm glad I don't understand it.

00:44:30.12
Mike
hmm.

00:44:32.59
Bill
I'm just really fucking.

00:44:32.92
Mike
Exactly.

00:44:34.74
Bill
Just really fucking glad.

00:44:34.96
Mike
i am grateful I fucking don't play that game.

00:44:39.48
Bill
Yeah, i don't i just I just don't. so um Okay, just, well, fuck it. yeah i think What do you think, timing timing-wise?

00:44:45.98
Mike
Yeah, yeah.

00:44:46.68
Bill
okay

00:44:47.80
Mike
All right. Well, ah we're about halfway done here, kids. We'll be back with more of whatever this is right after these words from our sponsors.

00:45:05.08
Bill
All right, everyone. Welcome back. Hey, look at that. That was that was on the time split, the 40 to 44 to 45, and I figured it out.

00:45:13.50
Mike
Yep.

00:45:14.20
Bill
I only went like six seconds. Come on.

00:45:16.44
Mike
All right.

00:45:16.53
Bill
That's new year newbie.

00:45:18.52
Mike
Yeah.

00:45:18.52
Bill
hey

00:45:22.22
Bill
Uh, okay. So real quick question.

00:45:22.62
Mike
Yeah.

00:45:23.41
Bill
And I know that, uh, um, I, I know you don't get into the whole dry January thing. Why would we write, why would either one of us, but, but the, the thing that I, that i the question that I had, the reason I wrote this down, did you ever, um, with the exception, I know you went into like prior to this, to this run, um,

00:45:28.71
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:45:42.10
Bill
I know you went into, you know, like detox or rehab facilities or wherever you went at those times.

00:45:45.46
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

00:45:46.89
Bill
Did you ever outside of that take a ah planned break, like ah a dry January concept? Did you ever do anything like that or no?

00:45:54.74
Mike
Fuck no. No. Nope. Nope. Nope.

00:45:58.30
Bill
i I thought that was the answer, but I just didn't know.

00:45:58.64
Mike
Right.

00:46:00.58
Bill
I just had no, I had no idea.

00:46:00.95
Mike
wow no nope nope nope nope no nope

00:46:02.10
Bill
So. hey Yeah, it's just I i was going to be surprised if you said, well, not really surprised, but it would would have been something that we had never talked about before because it happened.

00:46:12.38
Mike
yeah right Because it doesn't exist. Yeah.

00:46:18.17
Bill
Right.

00:46:19.21
Mike
Right.

00:46:19.45
Bill
And you know what?

00:46:19.71
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:46:20.25
Bill
um I never did either. The only time and I mentioned this before that that I didn't drink for an extended period of time was when um my daughter's mom and I, when Pam and I live with my dad and we just we just didn't drink because, you know, we were living with him and he didn't drink.

00:46:36.18
Bill
You know, so and that was probably from, you know, we lived with him technically for not quite a year, a little bit under a year.

00:46:36.22
Mike
right

00:46:43.78
Bill
But um we I know we went we came back to Wisconsin for Christmas time and I know both of us were drinking next. I had drank in like six or seven months or something like that.

00:46:53.37
Mike
Right. Uh-huh.

00:46:53.88
Bill
And you know how, I mean, i i was I came straight out of college drinking like a goddamn fish that i don't then I don't drink for six, seven months. And when we were at this Christmas party or get together with friends, I mean, I i just fucking drank my ass off.

00:47:04.07
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:47:06.20
Bill
And it was a fucking mess.

00:47:06.55
Mike
Right. Of course.

00:47:09.88
Bill
i I did not drive home that night because I couldn't. of I could barely walk, a let alone drive home. But So that would have been like the only break, but I didn't, it was just, you know, ba a circumstantial break, I guess, if that makes sense, because I didn't, I, it wasn't me.

00:47:21.75
Mike
Sure. yeah,

00:47:24.63
Bill
I'm not trying to, you know, minimize whatever it was. I didn't drink during that timeframe, but it wasn't, I can't say that, oh, I, I decided that I was going to not, no, but just, we lived with them.

00:47:33.69
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:47:37.33
Bill
So we didn't drink, you know, just was what it was.

00:47:38.30
Mike
Right, exactly.

00:47:39.64
Bill
So.

00:47:39.74
Mike
Yeah, and what, early 20s, so I mean, we could still do that sort of thing. Well, I couldn't, but normal people, yes, ah you know, early on in your disease, whatever, um yeah, you know, you can you can stop for a short period of time, which six months definitely is.

00:47:46.14
Bill
yeah

00:47:57.50
Bill
Right. Right.

00:47:59.90
Mike
Yeah, and as soon as you get the opportunity, you can fucking you all kinds of hammered.

00:48:04.96
Bill
Right. Yeah. And I, and I, I did, I mean, I, it was, it was never a problem not drinking when, um, and it wasn't, there wasn't any obsession there. So yeah, I mean, I was very early in that.

00:48:12.89
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

00:48:15.25
Bill
I, I certainly wasn't, I couldn't have been, you know, physically addicted at that point.

00:48:18.62
Mike
Right.

00:48:19.53
Bill
Um, and I don't even think fully mentally addicted yet, you know, but it was just, uh, I was brewing.

00:48:22.12
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:48:24.38
Bill
It was brewing down, down there at the bottom, but, Because, yeah, when Pam and I got our place, which probably would have been um April and May of that following year, um probably somewhere in that range.

00:48:24.89
Mike
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

00:48:35.47
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:48:37.58
Bill
And, I mean, we would, you know, we whatever. She was probably, she was a wine cooler once. So, yeah, she probably had the Bartles and James. And, you know, I'd get some beer and, you know, we'd we'd have some drinks and stuff like that. And then when I started working at the the car dealership,

00:48:51.10
Bill
you know Just like a lot of different industries, there was a bunch of drinkers there, especially by the time we we moved down to to the area where the dealership was.

00:48:54.99
Mike
Sure.

00:48:58.82
Bill
you know Then we had we have friends that lived in the same complex. One guy, Doug, he he was a big drinker. So yeah, we used to get together with them all the time and then you know go out with people. So that was that was easy you know once once we got back into that groove.

00:49:09.72
Mike
Yeah.

00:49:11.22
Bill
And you know yeah, like you said, what did you say, get all kinds of hammered?

00:49:11.58
Mike
All right.

00:49:16.22
Mike
I did. All

00:49:17.05
Bill
And yeah it I did. I absolutely did. But, okay, so um they i want to i want to hear about your I want to hear about your trip, you're you're great at your great adventure.

00:49:27.67
Mike
right. yeah All right. Well, um let's see how to start this off. ah Mad Magazine.

00:49:39.16
Mike
um Did you read Mad when you were a kid?

00:49:41.72
Bill
Oh, did I? Oh, yeah, yeah. Absolutely.

00:49:42.97
Mike
Yeah.

00:49:43.48
Bill
Yeah, all all fucking over it.

00:49:43.77
Mike
Okay.

00:49:45.28
Bill
Yeah.

00:49:45.69
Mike
Yeah, right. Exactly. Me too. um Mad Magazine was, ah you know, shaped a lot of who I am. ah You know, how I look at the world, how, you know, whatever. Yes, with humor and with ah with an eye going, things aren't just aren't quite right.

00:50:06.55
Mike
And let's laugh at that because what the fuck else are we going to do?

00:50:11.97
Bill
Right.

00:50:12.09
Mike
um Yeah. Yeah. So um I knew about the Norman Rockwell Museum in, I believe, Massachusetts, someplace in New England, put together this show um like a year, year and a half ago of original art, all this really cool stuff from Mad Magazine. um I remember reading about it online going, wow, that's really fucking cool. I'd love to be able to go there. You know, it's yeah, whatever. It was Massachusetts at the Norman Rockwell Museum.

00:50:43.03
Mike
Um, well, the first place it went to after that was the Cincinnati art museum. Um, it it got down there, uh, don't know about a month ago and it's going to be there for another couple of months.

00:50:57.62
Mike
Um, and I'm like, well, I got the time. i got the, uh, It's a three and a half hour drive from where my house, um, I'm going.

00:51:10.68
Mike
So I did. um I went down there and it was just fucking amazing.

00:51:18.78
Mike
Yeah. You know, it was, it was, so yeah, it was, I mean, there was like some new stuff and whatever, um you know, it was the entire history of the magazine from the,

00:51:27.03
Bill
Right.

00:51:29.13
Mike
mid-50s until, till you know, a couple years ago when it, you know, they're not really doing anything original anymore, unfortunately. But, yeah, you know, it was just tons of original stuff from the magazine. I mean, you know...

00:51:46.75
Mike
Paste up pages, hand-drawn, know, all original art. So hand-drawn stuff from like the 50s and 60s and 70s. And yeah, um just amazing, cool, cool stuff. And I went down there and um I didn't go to any other part of the museum. And I spent about three and a half hours.

00:52:07.93
Bill
oh wow really okay

00:52:08.02
Mike
Just, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just, you know, staring at shit. Yeah.

00:52:16.06
Bill
ah

00:52:17.02
Mike
You know, I mean, one of my absolute favorites was Don Martin. um Just loved his stuff. And I mean, you know, to be an inch, inch and a half away from his original shit from the 50s and the 60s and the 70s was just amazing.

00:52:34.02
Bill
Right.

00:52:34.17
Mike
um Yeah, you know, of Jack Davis, who is just amazing. an incredible artist one of my favorites um he's done movie posters and magazine covers and album covers and just prolific as hell and was one of the major artists in mad magazines looking at his original you know pen and paper drawings you know again know an inch away i mean the shit's you know in a frame behind glass but i mean walk right up to it and look at the fucking lines and just amazing amazing stuff so yeah it was it was wonderful um i'm super happy i got to go down there and do that fuck man yeah if you get a chance go do it if mad magazine means anything to you

00:53:20.94
Bill
Right. Well, yeah. And it was kind of funny because I saw the first picture of the, you know, the WKRP thing. And it just to begin with, it completely wasn't thinking right away that you were off work.

00:53:33.20
Bill
And I'm like, because you've done this while you've been over the years, while you've been out driving, you'll stop at some random place, you know, while you're while you're out working, you know, and you're in your truck.

00:53:33.91
Mike
Yeah.

00:53:36.70
Mike
Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

00:53:42.04
Bill
Then I'm like, I'm like, how the fuck did you end up? And oh, shit, that's right.

00:53:44.66
Mike
if

00:53:45.18
Bill
He's off.

00:53:45.91
Mike
Yeah.

00:53:46.08
Bill
You know, so I saw that. And then I then I later saw the Mad Magazine thing. And then I saw the post when you're like something about that you had a good time and you'll photo dump was coming later. I'm like, I'm looking forward to that.

00:53:56.28
Mike
yeah

00:53:56.95
Bill
And I sat there and looked at that and, you know, and I forgot that the dude's name, but Don Martin was the one that's the out of out of all the drawings, because I looked at all of them that you posted. But I mean, that to me, I'm like, OK, that's what I remember those characters.

00:54:10.39
Bill
And it's kind of like, you know, when I don't know how to how to explain how anyone draws, but I know I know, ah yeah you know, a Peanuts character versus, you know, like a Calvin and Hobbes type of thing versus, you know, like Don Martin.

00:54:10.42
Mike
Right.

00:54:22.18
Bill
He's one that I would be like, OK, this I know this is a bad magazine character.

00:54:24.57
Mike
Yeah.

00:54:25.62
Bill
You just just the way that something ah is drawn you and, you know, just their it's their style.

00:54:25.82
Mike
Right.

00:54:30.89
Bill
But I'm like, that's fucking cool.

00:54:31.04
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:54:32.93
Bill
But yeah, I mean, i don't remember. i mean, mom was a little fucking weird about things every once in a while about well, about a lot of things every once in a while.

00:54:39.42
Mike
but ha

00:54:42.12
Bill
And I don't remember if.

00:54:42.23
Mike
Right.

00:54:44.54
Bill
um I don't remember if there was ever an issue with us having mad magazine or cracked or, or anything like that.

00:54:50.49
Mike
is this is

00:54:52.21
Bill
Cause we, we looked, we had both of them, but i mean, mad, mad magazine was just, and then the, there was always the, it was the back coverage.

00:54:52.47
Mike
Right. Right.

00:54:58.01
Bill
You could fold up and have a weird picture, right.

00:54:59.40
Mike
Yeah.

00:55:00.21
Bill
You know, and have some end up with some, you know, just something cool, you know?

00:55:00.30
Mike
Yeah.

00:55:03.80
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:55:04.21
Bill
Um,

00:55:04.56
Mike
And they had a bunch of originals of those, too.

00:55:07.10
Bill
and they really

00:55:07.61
Mike
Yeah. Oh, yeah. I posted one picture, but, I mean, they probably had a dozen of Al Jaffe's original paintings of the Fold-ins. Yeah. Yeah.

00:55:18.97
Bill
Yeah. And I just, I don't remember, I remember we had them. I don't remember if it was ah if it was a problem that we had them, but whatever. I mean, yeah, there was ah it was a big part of, um you know, our childhood and obviously sounds like yours too, um you know, clearly.

00:55:28.52
Mike
Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah.

00:55:30.88
Bill
But um yeah, I was just kind of blown away looking at those drawings. I'm like, that's really fucking cool. But it wasn't really even clicking that they were, that those are like original, just stenciled.

00:55:40.31
Mike
Oh, yeah.

00:55:40.68
Bill
I mean, basically just original stenciled in drawings type of thing, right? Or penciled in.

00:55:44.32
Mike
Oh, the original artwork. Yeah, the original stuff that they copied and put into the magazine.

00:55:46.79
Bill
That's crazy.

00:55:49.64
Mike
Yeah.

00:55:52.74
Bill
That's, that's fucking nuts. Cause again, you said from the fifties, right?

00:55:54.62
Mike
Yeah. Oh, yeah.

00:55:59.13
Bill
That's fucking awesome. That is just awesome.

00:56:00.55
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:56:01.65
Bill
So who, um, do you know who's, who's had all this stuff? I mean, has it been like some fucking curator in like some storage place for all these years or?

00:56:09.14
Mike
It's it's um several places. Some of the families of the artists, um some of the artists themselves. um ah Yeah, collections. um Yeah, you know, it it they curated it from, I think, probably, I'd say a dozen, and maybe two different places.

00:56:29.34
Mike
um Yeah, you know, like I said, in the Norman Rockwell Museum in Massachusetts put it all together. And ah yeah, yeah. know, now it's on tour, but yeah, it's, it's from, like I said, at least a dozen different collections of things.

00:56:42.81
Bill
Right.

00:56:43.45
Mike
Yeah. It was, so yeah, it was just, it was cool, man.

00:56:44.98
Bill
no ah Now, you know, honestly, that would be it'd be something I'd be interested in because, you know, again, it's a it's a huge, you know, it's it's a huge piece of our childhood.

00:56:47.29
Mike
Mm-hmm. Yes. Yes.

00:56:57.70
Bill
But it's I mean, really, I mean, like all the stuff we were just talking about, you know, 10, 15 minutes ago with all these people fucking complaining about the world and everything.

00:57:05.21
Mike
yes

00:57:06.02
Bill
um You know, things like that. I mean, it was I mean, there was still problems in the world at that time. But that takes that takes me back to a just a really simple time when a fucking magazine was everything to me.

00:57:18.22
Bill
You know, I mean, just this little fucking magazine, you know, this little goddamn man magazine was.

00:57:18.62
Mike
Yeah.

00:57:23.90
Bill
you know, was part of my little world. And that meant a whole fucking lot, you know, um, a lot simpler time, you know, at least for us.

00:57:27.90
Mike
Yeah.

00:57:31.42
Bill
I mean, we're kids, you know, so, um, I don't know.

00:57:32.70
Mike
Right.

00:57:33.98
Bill
It just, uh, stuff like that is just, uh, it's, I, it's great. Nostalgia, you know,

00:57:38.10
Mike
Yeah, absolutely. You know, and again, yeah i mean, it shaped me. It made me question authority from, you know, five years old on, you know, right.

00:57:46.17
Bill
right.

00:57:46.68
Mike
Things aren't exactly what they're telling you they are.

00:57:50.07
Bill
ah Yeah. And it's, it's not, it's not a bad thing.

00:57:53.08
Mike
And here's how to deal with it. Laugh at it.

00:57:55.96
Bill
Right. Yeah. Yeah. And really, really, I mean, that's, that's kind of how we, I don't know if that I, well, not even know.

00:57:56.96
Mike
Yup.

00:58:02.03
Bill
I know for a fact that didn't always live my life under those, you know, ideas or ideals, but um I certainly try to these days, you know, try not to, you know, rule 62 and all that good shit.

00:58:06.26
Mike
Right.

00:58:09.98
Mike
Yeah.

00:58:12.79
Bill
But um God, again, little, little, thing that would be interesting.

00:58:13.14
Mike
Yo.

00:58:16.23
Bill
If it ever there comes anywhere around where, where I am, i'd I'd love to, I'd love to see that.

00:58:19.10
Mike
easy

00:58:20.19
Bill
But, Yeah, it was just like I said, I mean, I saw you did that and I thought that was pretty cool. Very cool.

00:58:24.28
Mike
Yeah.

00:58:24.67
Bill
So the the the building that you took the picture on, that was where the WKRP was shot, too.

00:58:30.26
Mike
ah Well, yeah, the you know, the exterior shots, clearly it was filmed in LA, but um yeah, that that building was the building that they used, that the the Phlegm building, ah was the fictional home of the mighty WKRP. Yep.

00:58:47.26
Bill
Yeah, that was just great. And when I originally saw, again, when I saw the picture, it just, it threw me off and then, uh, then it, you know, kind of clicked at what you were, what you were doing. But, um, no, that's, that's kind of funny.

00:58:54.92
Mike
Yeah.

00:58:56.86
Bill
Yeah. Well, yeah, I suppose. Yeah. The exterior shots. Why wouldn't they shoot the, I know, I mean, I guess I knew they wouldn't have shot the actual TV show there, but, um, but no, that's kind of cool.

00:59:03.51
Mike
Right.

00:59:05.58
Bill
So you had a yet a nice, a nice little day out.

00:59:05.98
Mike
Yeah. I did. Yeah. Well, a couple of day and a half. Right. I, uh, I had to take the car to get an oil change and stuff and whatever. And then I, I hit the road. I got a room down there across from Kings Island. And, uh, yeah, you know, it was like a half hour from downtown Cincinnati. And then I got up the next morning and went downtown, took some pictures and then went to the art museum.

00:59:28.95
Bill
Nice.

00:59:29.50
Mike
Yeah, like I said, spent about three and a half, maybe four hours there, and then drove home.

00:59:34.78
Bill
Nice.

00:59:35.50
Mike
Yeah.

00:59:36.54
Bill
Yeah, it was like, i mean, when you remember when we went to the Harley Museum, we were there for, God, we were there for probably every bit of three hours.

00:59:41.10
Mike
Yeah.

00:59:44.14
Bill
Don't you think two and half, three hours?

00:59:44.25
Mike
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

00:59:46.71
Bill
But um yeah, that was another one. Yeah, same same thing. I mean, that's I don't know that it's ah it's completely you know opposite ends of the spectrum sort of of what the you know what the the looking at thing is, but but same deal.

00:59:53.31
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:59:57.06
Bill
I mean, if anyone ever gets, if you get, anyone listening, you get to Milwaukee, if you go to the the Harley Museum, it's been at that time, it's been got six, seven years ago now, but It was 20 bucks.

01:00:05.59
Mike
Yeah.

01:00:07.18
Bill
It's probably more than that now, but it's, it was worth every, every goddamn penny. And if they still have the the restaurant across, it's the motor bar and grill, good food at that place right there.

01:00:11.31
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:00:16.65
Mike
Yep.

01:00:17.74
Bill
And, but yeah, that's, that's well worth it too.

01:00:18.19
Mike
Yep.

01:00:20.42
Bill
And yeah, I mean, we just, you and I fucking walked around that goddamn place and we were there for, like I said, every bit of two and a half or three hours, I think.

01:00:26.71
Mike
Yeah. Oh, yeah.

01:00:27.75
Bill
Yeah.

01:00:28.38
Mike
Definitely. Definitely.

01:00:30.90
Bill
Well, yeah. So, i yeah, i was ah I was obviously fucking with you before about ki being worried about you. but But you did. you You kind of got out of your got out out your element and, you know, went went on a trip, which I thought was i thought was nice.

01:00:43.00
Mike
Yeah, I get to do those sort of things today.

01:00:47.64
Bill
All right. So um I was listening to a um podcast within the last week or two, and this was kind of interesting. So the guests that they had on, and I don't remember what the deal was. It doesn't even matter. but the The podcast was talking about, you know, typical thing triggers, which, you know, I think anyone who's listened for a minute knows how we feel about triggers. But then she said something interesting. She said, what about the glimmers? And I'm like, what is this glimmers thing you speak of?

01:01:18.71
Bill
So she said, she said, those things that happen to you. in your life that are positive and give you joy and happiness. So she's like, you know, stop focusing on the triggers.

01:01:30.54
Bill
You know, and she was one, she believes in triggers and blah, blah, blah.

01:01:30.79
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:01:33.06
Bill
We don't, but whatever.

01:01:33.18
Mike
Sure.

01:01:33.98
Bill
But she said, stop focusing on the triggers. And I don't know, Whether she made up the word or not, it doesn't fucking matter. She's a a coach, possibly an author. I think she was. Whatever. It doesn't matter.

01:01:44.27
Bill
But she called them glimmers. So she said, focus on that instead. And I thought, what a great fucking thing. you know Rather than focusing on you know all these goddamn things that did trigger you...

01:01:57.34
Bill
you know Or that are forcing negative things on you or or making you believe that you know you're having negativeness forced on you.

01:02:03.19
Mike
Yeah.

01:02:04.86
Bill
um

01:02:05.24
Mike
Allowing.

01:02:05.82
Bill
yeah Yeah, there you go.

01:02:06.01
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:02:07.46
Bill
Thank you. Allowing. that's That's our whole point to that. So thank you for saying it that way.

01:02:10.11
Mike
aha

01:02:11.38
Bill
But um yeah, why not focus on you know whether it's in specifically, I would think the little things, you know, of ah you just went, you know, that was a glimmer.

01:02:17.35
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:02:19.79
Bill
You just had a glimmer, yeah glimmer day.

01:02:20.15
Mike
Yeah. Oh, absolutely.

01:02:21.67
Bill
You know, I had a glimmer day last weekend.

01:02:22.07
Mike
Yep.

01:02:23.31
Bill
I had a couple of them, you know, my friend hanging out with her and then hanging out with family.

01:02:26.53
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:02:28.26
Bill
So why not focus on those goddamn things, the things that, you know, that trigger your happiness?

01:02:28.31
Mike
Right.

01:02:33.62
Bill
And I just thought, I thought, what a great fucking way.

01:02:34.12
Mike
Yes.

01:02:36.18
Bill
And I don't know. I don't know that I would walk around using the word glimmer.

01:02:40.10
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:02:40.73
Bill
You know, but I think we get the point, right?

01:02:43.29
Mike
Yeah, absolutely.

01:02:46.97
Bill
I just thought, I just thought it was it was a great way. And I mean, I'm sitting there, I'm like, god finally somebody takes this, this goddamn stupid fucking word that we both hate, um not hate, but are not real fans of, you know, and, and really, I mean, so again, takes a look at the, takes a look at the positive side of things, you know, and just thought it was, I thought it was great.

01:02:55.39
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

01:03:03.67
Mike
Yes, absolutely. Yeah, again, you know focus on the positive, man. How many times can we say it?

01:03:11.16
Bill
Right.

01:03:11.86
Mike
Yeah.

01:03:13.18
Bill
Exactly. um Okay. So um at some point, God, I keep, you know, I was thinking maybe we would have, we would do it this week. I still want to read how it works. That's ah that's still on my, but we're getting kind of, we're getting kind of deep into the, into our time here.

01:03:22.07
Mike
Right.

01:03:26.31
Bill
You know, let me, let's just pull up. I'm going to take a stab at something I wrote down a little bit ago and just see what, see what's what. Okay.

01:03:32.34
Mike
Okay.

01:03:33.05
Bill
You ready? Yeah.

01:03:33.86
Mike
I'm ready. Nah.

01:03:36.79
Bill
I hope I disappoint. i i it's more It's more fun than what I don't. So, okay. This is from Touchstone. Speaking of your your new book, ah learning to detach may be the most demanding and difficult part of this program.

01:03:45.82
Mike
yeah

01:03:52.29
Bill
Do you agree? And the reading was talking about detachment means being filled with closeness and love towards someone, yet knowing we cannot fix or protect that person.

01:04:02.49
Bill
Okay. Okay.

01:04:02.93
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:04:03.77
Bill
So do you want me to read any part of that again or do you get the gist?

01:04:07.29
Mike
oh Yeah, I get it.

01:04:09.05
Bill
Okay. Do you think that is, I mean, um the detachment is one of the most demanding and difficult parts of the program?

01:04:14.94
Mike
Oh, yeah, absolutely. You know, well, i yeah, it comes down to powerlessness, as most things do.

01:04:19.86
Bill
Right.

01:04:21.06
Mike
um Right. You know, yeah yes, you you love and you care and you want the best. Yeah. Other people's choices sometimes um don't allow them to get the best out of life. And um there's, you know, as much as we want to swoop in and here's my first air quotes of the year, fix everything. Okay.

01:04:49.50
Bill
what What time is it?

01:04:49.69
Mike
all

01:04:50.58
Bill
So we're an hour and seven minutes and into our podcast year and we had our first air quote.

01:04:55.48
Mike
Yes. Right. and and And knowing that we can't, knowing that, you know, sometimes the best thing that we could do hopefully for them, but definitely for us, is to step back um and and and let the let the circus play out.

01:05:15.84
Bill
Right.

01:05:16.28
Mike
Yeah, yeah, it's it's tough, you know, because again, it's coming from a place of love. It's coming from a place of caring and and and not wanting to see someone else hurt and make bad decisions and stuff. But hey, you know, if anybody understands that ah if you want to make a bad decision, you're going to fucking make it. It's us.

01:05:35.52
Bill
Right.

01:05:36.09
Mike
Yeah.

01:05:37.94
Bill
Yeah. And I think you just made a, made a great point when you, I mean, obviously saying that, I mean, it's, it is, it it's difficult, but it's, it's necessary, you know, because again, you know, sitting back and and watching somebody, you know, all we want, you know, we're out, we're out there trying to, um you know, make our corner of the world a better place, but, you know, hopefully, you know, out there trying to help other people do the same, you know but the biggest thing too, that, you know, is, is,

01:05:46.62
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:05:56.33
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:06:00.87
Mike
Right.

01:06:05.34
Bill
The detachment is not, I mean, it is for the other person. They gotta, to they gotta, to you know, find their own way and that sort of thing.

01:06:10.46
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:06:11.02
Bill
But it is, it's just, if not more important for us, for our own sanity, right. You know, to, to just, to not have to get fucking just all up in somebody's business all the goddamn time.

01:06:16.60
Mike
Right.

01:06:21.98
Mike
isn

01:06:22.22
Bill
You know, I'm,

01:06:23.00
Mike
Right. Yeah. Burning calories for fucking nothing, man. Because again, we, we understand that no matter what we do, it's not going to change somebody else. You know, all we can do is be an example and and hopefully they'll see that example, but it's not up to us to make them see that example. Yeah.

01:06:41.59
Bill
Right. Yeah. And it, and it is tough, especially uh, you know, we've had, i mean, we've got, you know, there's, one individual that is is close to us that that we had found out that after a long period of, you know, sobriety, that person had bounced and then we found out bounced again.

01:06:56.50
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

01:06:57.39
Bill
And, you know, is it's never really come forth, I guess is the the right way to put it.

01:07:00.78
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

01:07:02.51
Bill
At least not with us. Not that not that we, I don't know, if we don't we don't need to demand or deserve, but, um you know, it is.

01:07:04.09
Mike
Right.

01:07:07.28
Mike
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

01:07:10.67
Bill
It's fucking hard, you know, because he because, I mean, suppose not...

01:07:11.67
Mike
Yeah.

01:07:13.82
Bill
The thing of it is that it just... we We know and the person knows we know.

01:07:18.90
Mike
Right. me

01:07:20.82
Bill
That's what's even harder because that it's still not really our place to walk up and be like, come on now.

01:07:26.30
Mike
Right, exactly.

01:07:26.55
Bill
Fucking elephant and a goddamn gorilla are sitting over there.

01:07:27.32
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:07:30.63
Bill
cause it's Let's talk about this shit.

01:07:32.60
Mike
Right. Well, and and we also know that one of the best things they could do is admit those character defects and, right, you know, come clean and be honest and take responsibility for their actions.

01:07:35.06
Bill
Yeah.

01:07:46.06
Bill
Right.

01:07:46.44
Mike
Yeah, right. It would be best for them. Yes, it would be nice for us to, you know, whatever, but that's, you know, that's secondary. The most important thing is their lives would be better if they did that.

01:07:59.86
Mike
But again, nothing we can do to make them.

01:08:03.60
Bill
Right.

01:08:04.12
Mike
Right.

01:08:04.44
Bill
Yeah. And that's, um yeah, I mean, ah but once again, you know, and and not not something that, you know, just we learned in it, this individual did did also. You know, we know for a fact that this individual, you know, knows knows that thing.

01:08:17.16
Bill
And I mean, that's probably the only, i think the only example of anyone in in my life right now that I can think of.

01:08:18.20
Mike
Yeah.

01:08:24.32
Bill
I mean, I've had friends over the years and I mean, well, the shit my my friend Sarah that, you know, now is has now passed away.

01:08:28.39
Mike
Right.

01:08:30.16
Bill
But, um you know, she had her ups and downs years ago and it was,

01:08:30.33
Mike
Right.

01:08:33.64
Bill
It was hard even after all said and done that, you know, she and i you know, reconciled our friendship. You know, the initial incident was never talked about.

01:08:38.87
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

01:08:41.00
Bill
You know, I wasn't going to bring it up, you know, and I figured if she ever wanted to bring it up and she just never fucking did.

01:08:42.93
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:08:45.85
Bill
And, you know, I just i let it be, you know, because what am I going to do?

01:08:46.17
Mike
Right. Yeah.

01:08:48.65
Bill
You know, and I didn't I didn't let you know, let ah you know, I didn't hold a grudge against her anything like that, because that would have been fucked up, too.

01:08:49.07
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:08:53.91
Mike
Sure.

01:08:56.57
Mike
Right. Yeah.

01:08:57.43
Bill
You know. It just, I don't know. It just, it's a tough one. Detachment. That's a, I don't know. It is. It's a, it's, it's tough. It's a, it's a hard thing, but um yeah. What did that say again? Detachment. How did that put it? Most demanding and difficult part of this program.

01:09:13.18
Bill
Certainly one of it. that Isn't that for sure?

01:09:14.87
Mike
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's in the top 10. Yeah.

01:09:18.92
Bill
It might be in the top three. All right. So um this has to do with ah something from the Danny Trejo book, but I had a question on it too. um So how long did it take you to open up and you, obviously meaning you, Mike, to open up and start showing love or expressing love to people in your life that you cared about after you got sober?

01:09:34.30
Mike
Well.

01:09:42.85
Bill
And the side note, which brought it up, was... um Danny Trey Hill sponsor came up to him and told him that he loved him at one point. Danny about fucking, fucking jumped out of his shirt at him.

01:09:56.59
Mike
Right.

01:09:57.39
Bill
He's, he's got pissed off and he wanted to fucking fight him. Like, what the fuck do you want from me?

01:09:59.83
Mike
Right.

01:10:01.19
Bill
He's like, he's like, it's okay. He goes, it's okay for another. And he, he admitted, you know, obviously said in the book, he's like, he goes, he never had a, you know, and never another man like that. Tell him, you know, just some random guy telling me loved him.

01:10:11.42
Mike
right

01:10:13.00
Bill
But you know So he wasn't used to that. And that's what made me think about it.

01:10:15.29
Mike
aha

01:10:15.89
Bill
I'm like, so when did when did we you know open up to that? So what did what do you think? When did you open up to be able to, to I guess, accept or even show love like that?

01:10:24.22
Mike
You know, I mean, I'm still working on it. You know, yeah, completely.

01:10:28.60
Bill
Right. Yeah. Yeah.

01:10:31.22
Mike
But, um a ah you know, fairly quickly. Yeah.

01:10:41.24
Mike
you know, being able to admit to myself that I gave a shit about somebody other than myself, right?

01:10:47.35
Bill
right

01:10:47.93
Mike
Yeah, you know, fairly quickly, you know, um again, you know, in degrees and and I'm still working on it because, yeah, it's still working on lots of stuff, but that's definitely one of them. um But yeah, you know, I mean, if, if ah Truly someone's important to me. It's fairly easy for me to let them know these days.

01:11:09.62
Mike
I hope. Yeah. Yeah.

01:11:12.60
Bill
Yeah. And you know what? It was funny. Like when we when we first started, you know, doing this thing and, you know, i don't remember when shit when you and I started. I mean, we've been obviously we known each other for you know nearly almost 16 years.

01:11:24.41
Mike
Right.

01:11:24.82
Bill
um You know, had a close friendship for probably, you know, you figure a year less than that. As far as when we got close, closer as friends, um I would say at a minimum within that first year.

01:11:30.49
Mike
Right. Right.

01:11:34.18
Bill
Right. You know, probably within that.

01:11:34.78
Mike
Right. Yeah.

01:11:36.06
Bill
You know, so I bet I don't remember when, you know, we started telling each other, you know, or saying I love you to each other.

01:11:41.24
Mike
Right.

01:11:41.66
Bill
um And I don't remember if it was I remember, you know, like there was some like Chris, Mike Riley sponsor, you know, well, he he used to tell the two of them used to tell each other, you say I love you all the time.

01:11:53.61
Bill
And um I remember probably that was those are the first first time I saw it like in in the room type of thing.

01:11:53.97
Mike
Right.

01:11:59.60
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:11:59.70
Bill
you know But, I mean, you see that around you know the the rooms. And, again, you're going to you know men's meetings and whatever the case may be.

01:12:04.93
Mike
Uh huh. Right.

01:12:05.38
Bill
I don't remember when it when it became comfortable. um you know I do remember when – I mean, shit, ever time that ever since my At least since i know since my son, even my daughter was, was born.

01:12:18.86
Bill
i mean, that was easy, easy with children, you know, but, um, mom was always a tough one. She was, home we didn't get a lot of that when we were kids. but We talked about that before.

01:12:28.87
Bill
Um, but I just, i don't remember when, I don't remember when it became comfortable in, you know, the, the recovery side of things, you know?

01:12:36.82
Mike
Yeah.

01:12:37.02
Bill
Um, but yeah, when we we started doing this, I think when, when we were like signing off in the first episode, you, you just instinctively said im like, yeah, love you brother.

01:12:45.49
Mike
Right.

01:12:45.78
Bill
And it's just like, it's just what we fucking do.

01:12:46.14
Mike
Yeah.

01:12:48.87
Bill
You know?

01:12:49.21
Mike
Yeah.

01:12:49.47
Bill
Um, and we had a couple, we've had comments over the time for him to like, yeah, real bad.

01:12:49.53
Mike
Right.

01:12:53.34
Bill
Tell each other. They love you.

01:12:54.50
Mike
Yeah.

01:12:55.14
Bill
I love you. And so that was kind of funny. It's cause I'm sure it's, I probably not hurt, you know, and in a lot of cases and it fuck them. I don't give a fuck what people think one way or the other, but, um, I don't know. It just didn't, uh, I don't remember when.

01:13:06.54
Bill
And I i guess it was just, uh, the question crossed my mind because of Danny Trejo.

01:13:11.80
Mike
Right.

01:13:11.96
Bill
Um,

01:13:14.55
Bill
But yeah, I think you said that that's a good point, though. It's ah it it's gotten easier over the years. You know, and I've talked about it, my levels of love and all that stuff. It goes towards, you know, men and women and family and, you know, intimate relationships and not, you know.

01:13:24.50
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:13:26.84
Mike
Sure.

01:13:28.73
Bill
So it's it is. it's ah It's a little bit easier to identify those feelings these days, you know, versus the way it used to be, I i would think, right?

01:13:37.11
Mike
Sure.

01:13:37.68
Bill
Yeah.

01:13:37.97
Mike
Yeah, absolutely.

01:13:40.85
Bill
All right. So this came up as a, and I've got, I've been like two articles that I came across too, which I want to get to in a second. But um I have one more question for you. And this again, came up kind of random in my head. um Explain what a geographical is.

01:13:53.92
Bill
And um I believe you, you did geographicals before and did it work?

01:13:58.84
Mike
Yeah. Right?

01:13:59.58
Bill
So I guess explain, explain for our our listening, our listening crowd, what a geographical is. And then does it work or how did it work for you?

01:14:05.46
Mike
right

01:14:09.24
Mike
yeah

01:14:10.52
Bill
hey

01:14:12.34
Mike
Well, let's start with the first one. No, it does not work. um What it is, is, um you know, in your alcoholic, drug addict, addicted mind, you know, um things are getting bad. um Why are they getting bad?

01:14:31.44
Mike
Because you're making them bad because you're making bad choices and blah, blah, blah, blah blah but whatever. Wherever you're at, you know, ah the world's caving in on you because of your lifestyle and your choices.

01:14:43.86
Bill
yeah

01:14:44.28
Mike
and Right. So, you know, if I could just get out of here, if I could just go over there, things will be better. Right. And the reason that doesn't work is you take you with you.

01:14:58.71
Mike
Right.

01:14:59.00
Bill
yeah

01:15:00.15
Mike
So just changing the, ah you know, the the scenery does not change the writing of the play.

01:15:00.60
Bill
Right.

01:15:08.38
Bill
yeah

01:15:09.11
Mike
So, um yes, geographics do not work. You know, yes, it's temporary fix, you know, because all of the problems that you've created for yourself in one location, um you've left those behind in that location for the most part. um Not completely, though.

01:15:28.16
Mike
um But then, yeah, so you're in a fresh set of ah whatever. and ah you know, yeah well, the people don't know you and what an asshole you are.

01:15:37.92
Bill
Right.

01:15:38.43
Mike
So um you get, you know, the chances and and opportunities that you wouldn't have got if you stayed where you're at because you already fucked everything up there.

01:15:48.73
Mike
Um, but you know, you soon start making the same bad choices and you still have the same bad behaviors and, um, you get the same result. Um, so yes, geographics do not work. Yes, I did them.

01:16:01.37
Mike
Yes. Um, and, and I took me with me every fucking time and, and lo and behold, the same goddamn problems occurred in a new place because I was doing the same things.

01:16:14.55
Mike
Imagine that.

01:16:16.47
Bill
Well, and and I think we've heard stories where um a lot of times people, and and you brought it up, it kind of made me think about it, wendy but you just said it, you know, that people don't know you where wherever you're going to.

01:16:25.59
Mike
Right.

01:16:26.63
Bill
So, I mean, I think we've heard, i actually know I have, you know, on podcasts and stuff like that, you know, heard stories where that that geographical change turns out being worse because people don't know them.

01:16:37.71
Bill
You know, cause there, there's no, people don't even realize that, you know, they, they need to put some brakes on or, or whatever the case is.

01:16:38.05
Mike
Right.

01:16:45.14
Bill
And then, you know, you just, you're, you're acting a fool cause nobody knows any better and it could end up being worse.

01:16:49.30
Mike
Right.

01:16:51.06
Bill
You know what? I, I never, I never made it geographical because I mean, I didn't, I didn't have the ability to go anywhere. You know, it's, I mean, really it's not that I, that I wouldn't have done it.

01:17:01.35
Bill
I mean, I was in, you know, I went from but when, when Pam and I were in Ohio and I worked for the dealership.

01:17:01.43
Mike
oh

01:17:06.95
Bill
you know We went back to Wisconsin. It wasn't to run away from anything. We thought we were going back there for an opportunity and family and blah, blah, blah.

01:17:13.01
Mike
Sure.

01:17:13.30
Bill
And then you know I was just, i was I don't want to say stuck, but I mean, basically I was rooted in Wisconsin. And i mean, I probably probably would have tried to go someplace else, but I just couldn't.

01:17:24.29
Bill
you know

01:17:24.71
Mike
Right.

01:17:25.40
Bill
Um, mean, I ended up going out to Ohio to get sober, but that was a whole different story. I didn't, I didn't, wasn't, you know, running out there to run away from my problems.

01:17:30.28
Mike
Yeah.

01:17:33.58
Bill
I was actually trying, I was being taken there for a solution. i was almost said that I went there for a solution, but no, I didn't.

01:17:37.03
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:17:39.49
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:17:40.10
Bill
I was, I was taken there for a solution.

01:17:40.15
Mike
No. You were. Uh-huh.

01:17:44.20
Bill
Yeah. to all the fucked up problems that I was leaving behind.

01:17:48.46
Mike
Yikes.

01:17:48.63
Bill
um which I think that one, and again, that has not to do with the drinking part of it, but I think from a recovery standpoint, um, staying in that area and trying to do some, you know, IOP or whatever, whatever it was, I I'm, I'm convinced that that would not have worked.

01:18:00.11
Mike
Right.

01:18:04.06
Bill
Um, because I just, uh, you know, I, there wasn't, there wouldn't be anyone there to fucking babysit me.

01:18:04.15
Mike
Right.

01:18:08.34
Bill
And I was in a, in a safe, safe place. And we've talked about it too, which still kind of amazes me when we had talked about it, whatever it was, you know, six months, eight months, a year ago about the fact that neither one of us can remember having, you know, true cravings in in the Keating center, which is kind of spectacular when you think about it, you know, but I, I would think that that has, if not everything, a big part to do with how, what a safe place we were in.

01:18:23.09
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

01:18:33.30
Bill
Right. I mean, it had to have, you know, so,

01:18:33.85
Mike
Right. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, and, and the mindset, I mean, you know, at that point I was fucking done and, um, you know, yeah, I think, I think the, uh, the change of scenery was good for you and, and yeah, right.

01:18:41.53
Bill
right

01:18:47.58
Bill
oh god yeah

01:18:48.90
Mike
You know, um, yeah, yeah. You're stuck in this old fucking factory. Hi. Uh-huh.

01:18:57.66
Bill
okay Yeah, and I was just in any place, any place we went.

01:18:59.51
Mike
aha

01:19:02.29
Bill
I mean, I was just so skittish. I mean, I just I um i really was. I didn't I didn't know what to do with myself. You know, I i didn't really have that that thought pattern, that mindset, because um I was I was scared of, I think, for the first time in my life, actually um scared of the consequences.

01:19:08.31
Mike
Right.

01:19:19.92
Bill
I didn't have any fucking place to go anyhow, you know, but I couldn't get fucking kicked out.

01:19:22.17
Mike
Right.

01:19:24.32
Bill
Nobody's going to fucking take me in.

01:19:25.94
Mike
first person

01:19:26.23
Bill
you know i wasn't i wasn't ready for yeah I wasn't ready to be homeless. you know I don't think I had the had the where the wherewithal

01:19:29.78
Mike
right

01:19:33.56
Mike
right

01:19:35.22
Bill
to be homeless, but that's probably that's probably a good thing. so um Okay, i've got I've got two. One was kind of what we were talking, of two articles. I'm sorry. i When I said I got two, I got two of what, Bill?

01:19:47.00
Mike
Two of several things.

01:19:49.43
Bill
I do. I've got two.

01:19:51.13
Mike
Yes.

01:19:51.27
Bill
Balls, said the queen. If I had to, I'd be king. Hello.

01:19:55.32
Mike
Right.

01:19:56.47
Bill
All right. So um when I was talking before about the alcohol being dropped and blah, blah, blah, did you hear about um Jim Beam stopping production?

01:20:04.45
Mike
Yeah, I did. Of course I did.

01:20:07.03
Bill
I figured, how but how could you not? But so for for anyone else that didn't hear this, and the first thing I thought about was kind of what we were talking about before was just the Lack of demand and whatever, which it kind of was.

01:20:09.43
Mike
Right.

01:20:17.14
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:20:17.63
Bill
But um so basically, as of if it I'm guessing most people out there know that knows that Jim Beam is a bourbon. But anyhow, it is.

01:20:25.92
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:20:26.08
Bill
It's a bourbon and a very popular one from that from that standpoint or for for that matter.

01:20:30.14
Mike
Right.

01:20:31.12
Bill
um But they, January 1st, according to, they were pausing production at its main distillery and they're doing it for one year. They have an all-time high of 16.1 million aging barrels of bourbon in its warehouses.

01:20:48.07
Bill
16 barrels.

01:20:50.49
Mike
Still not enough.

01:20:50.78
Bill
That's...

01:20:53.02
Mike
yeah

01:20:55.16
Bill
ah, fucking greatest answer ever. Greatest answer ever. Um, but they said, uh, yeah, they're going to stop for a year. And to begin with, um, okay. So it employs a thousand people. I think they're going to spread those people out to different places. I think some people might get laid off, blah, blah, blah. But apparently what happened was the first thing I thought was that, you know, again, less people or people drinking less and blah, blah, blah. But I guess ah that that may be part of it. Don't get me wrong.

01:21:24.12
Bill
Um, but, Apparently part of this has to do with the tariffs.

01:21:27.74
Mike
Right. Yeah. Well, because they're not exporting it like they used to.

01:21:30.65
Bill
Right. Yeah.

01:21:31.29
Mike
Right. Right.

01:21:31.69
Bill
Because the people aren't yeah the the people aren't paying for, you know obviously not wanting to pay the tariffs export it, blah, blah, blah. But um i mean I don't remember how it probably says in here in this article, i'm not going to try to find it, but i mean it' how many years old is is Jim Beam?

01:21:37.30
Mike
Right.

01:21:45.50
Bill
And they've never had to do something like that. you know It just kind of blew my mind.

01:21:47.21
Mike
Right.

01:21:48.74
Bill
I'm like, i'm like how does that fucking happen? Yeah. You know, I mean, some, some, some thing that produces, I've never heard of that in my fucking life.

01:21:51.41
Mike
Right. Yeah, right.

01:21:57.46
Bill
You know, any place that produces alcohol, it's like, oh yeah, we're going to take a break for a year.

01:21:57.75
Mike
right

01:22:01.97
Bill
what You're going to do what? It just blew my mind. But then the terrorists make sense. Cause again, they're not exporting.

01:22:08.02
Mike
yeah right

01:22:09.75
Bill
All right. So um last thing here, this is a one of these other stupid articles I find every once in a while. But psychology says people who become more difficult to be around as they age typically adopt these nine behaviors.

01:22:21.75
Mike
ha

01:22:25.05
Bill
I didn't read it because I'm like, um I don't know if who knows.

01:22:25.59
Mike
ah

01:22:29.25
Bill
I guess we could ask those around us if we become more difficult. But um we we are aging.

01:22:34.74
Mike
Yes.

01:22:34.87
Bill
we have aged and we're continuing to age and i'm guessing we might be little more difficult every once in a while so all right um number one becoming increasingly and again these are behaviors that uh that they adopt or exhibit okay becoming increasingly rigid in their thinking do you agree what do you think mike

01:22:35.86
Mike
a

01:22:40.85
Mike
I would think.

01:22:52.06
Mike
Okay. since

01:23:03.52
Mike
Um, you know, probably a little bit, um, just cause you know, I know, i think I know a little bit of right and wrong and that sort of thing and, um, things that work and things that don't work.

01:23:07.44
Bill
Right. Right.

01:23:18.84
Mike
And, um, Yeah, I think that comes with age. With age comes wisdom, hopefully. You know, you figured a couple of things out. So, you know, yeah. You know, but um on the other side of that coin, um I'm still open-minded and still willing to learn.

01:23:36.57
Mike
um But I'm not going to i'm not goingnna swallow some bullshit just for the sake of swallowing it.

01:23:45.88
Bill
Right. No, and i yeah I agree with that, you know, because and that is the thing.

01:23:46.58
Mike
Right. Right.

01:23:49.12
Bill
I think that I think that holds true that I am. And that was you put that really well, you know, know some things and age and hopefully a little bit of wisdom and that sort of thing.

01:23:55.22
Mike
o Yeah.

01:23:57.44
Bill
But, you know, yeah we I think I know we have to I was going to say not everyone has to, but I think we have to be open minded.

01:24:03.35
Mike
Right. Yeah.

01:24:05.46
Bill
We have to be in order to do this thing.

01:24:06.39
Mike
Sure.

01:24:07.34
Bill
um You know, so I don't think we're completely rigid, but I think that it holds true. There's a good percentage of that that probably holds true. um All right. The second one, clearly we're both going to disagree with, but dwelling constantly on the negative.

01:24:22.87
Bill
and We just talked about that, so

01:24:24.22
Mike
We did. Yeah, that's right.

01:24:25.72
Bill
yeah

01:24:26.98
Mike
Exactly. That is not a good thing. Right. Don't do that, kids.

01:24:31.83
Bill
yeah But I think it's kind of funny because I didn't I didn't read this list before. But the fact that that that's on the list and, you know, literally we were just talking about.

01:24:35.55
Mike
Ah.

01:24:38.09
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:24:40.15
Bill
So this is just some random fucking list on the Internet, which means this is a normal thing, which we know.

01:24:42.91
Mike
Right.

01:24:44.83
Bill
i mean, you and I are dumb.

01:24:45.43
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:24:46.27
Bill
We know, you know, that that is a normal thing. But god that kind of surprises me that that that's an accepted part of this list.

01:24:49.38
Mike
Sure.

01:24:53.60
Bill
But, yeah. So, no, we we strenuously object to that.

01:24:54.66
Mike
Yeah.

01:24:58.04
Mike
Yes.

01:24:59.86
Bill
um Number three, withdrawing from social connections.

01:25:04.76
Mike
Yeah.

01:25:06.49
Bill
This starts off after I retired at 62. I noticed something troubling. Several colleagues I work with for years simply vanished. No more coffee meetings, no return calls, nothing. I noticed something disturbing.

01:25:19.75
Bill
Mike never answers his phone anymore.

01:25:21.40
Mike
I never did.

01:25:21.45
Bill
Yeah.

01:25:23.19
Mike
Yeah.

01:25:23.77
Bill
I know. i never i never did either. but So do you agree with that? I mean, withdrawing from social connections? I mean, i partially or no?

01:25:32.50
Mike
Well,

01:25:35.64
Mike
That would be focusing on a positive. Sure.

01:25:38.30
Bill
yeah Right. Right. um Okay, so number four. This is funny. This is it this is an absolute comment, which i maybe maybe this could be partially true, but refusing all offers of help. Right.

01:25:54.81
Bill
i think that's I don't think it has to be an an all-inclusive statement, but any agreement in there? Refusing offers of help? Possibly some offers?

01:26:03.64
Mike
some oh yeah yeah definitely no thanks yeah I got this get the hell out of my way and let me do it meh

01:26:07.16
Bill
<unk> Occasional?

01:26:13.88
Bill
yeah There's another one in this. This is like an all this. and all It's a fucking all or nothing statement. That's the thing about this. I mean, refusing, refusing some offers of help or, or, i mean, I get that.

01:26:24.23
Mike
no yeah z sure

01:26:25.18
Bill
I mean, yes, of course we do, because again, hopefully with age becomes wisdom. We realize we can do certain things. We don't need help, but I think it goes the other direction too, is that. I mean, we've talked about it plenty that there's certain things that we just can't do anymore.

01:26:39.42
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:26:39.42
Bill
I know my, I know my physical limitations, you know, and I'm not, I'm not afraid to ask for help because of, you know, with the physical limitations.

01:26:41.30
Mike
there

01:26:46.14
Bill
So,

01:26:46.20
Mike
Yeah, absolutely.

01:26:47.93
Bill
I don't know. That doesn't have to be as, that that statement or doesn't have to be as absolute of a statement. So, and here's here's another one.

01:26:54.48
Mike
Right.

01:26:57.07
Bill
Dismissing others' perspectives entirely. these are all like These are all like fucking all or nothing statements.

01:27:00.06
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:27:03.11
Bill
So, let's let's even take out the all and take out entirely.

01:27:03.42
Mike
aha

01:27:06.43
Bill
Dismissing others' perspectives sometimes?

01:27:09.82
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:27:12.12
Bill
Yeah.

01:27:13.11
Mike
No, not too much of that one. yeah i think we're I think we're pretty good on that one.

01:27:15.06
Bill
yeah

01:27:17.19
Mike
I mean, you know, ah yeah, I'm not going to dismiss your perspective. You're fucking wrong. but But I understand where you're coming from. i still think you're fucking wrong and you're looking at it the wrong way. But I know why you're looking at it the wrong way. So have fun looking at it the wrong way.

01:27:36.47
Bill
there's There's a sentence in here. says, when decades of life experience morph into an attitude of, I've seen it all so I know best, conversations become become one-sided lectures.

01:27:43.96
Mike
ah there

01:27:48.95
Bill
But, I mean, again, I... i I enjoy others' perspectives. the The same thing, I'm not necessarily going to, not even necessarily, I'm not going to agree with everyone's perspective, but I i appreciate hearing somebody else's perspective.

01:27:54.78
Mike
Yeah.

01:28:01.43
Mike
No.

01:28:04.89
Mike
Yep.

01:28:05.31
Bill
you know And you know I think that everything, we we've talked about this you know over these last, again, coming up on four years of doing this. I mean, this this whole thing just being...

01:28:12.24
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:28:14.03
Bill
Being doing this podcast, being on Instagram on this whole sober network thing has brought in a lot of different perspectives that that we not that we agree or disagreed with, just didn't know they were there, you know.

01:28:19.83
Mike
Right?

01:28:26.01
Mike
Yeah.

01:28:28.31
Mike
Right. Yeah, exactly.

01:28:29.37
Bill
So, um again, these all are nothing entirely, entirely.

01:28:30.15
Mike
Uh-huh. Entirely.

01:28:36.37
Bill
Yeah, fuck you and your entirely. Okay. um Fixating on, this is number six, fixating on how things used to be.

01:28:44.67
Mike
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

01:28:46.52
Bill
um I've got opinion there. What do you think? What do you think?

01:28:50.74
Mike
I mean, yeah, don't do that. um Right. You know, that shit changes clearly.

01:28:57.10
Bill
Right.

01:28:57.26
Mike
Yeah. You know, it used to be this way. Yeah. Well, hey, it's not anymore, old man. Fucking move on.

01:29:03.38
Bill
Right.

01:29:04.41
Mike
I mean, even in my stuck in the mud fucking old man bullshit that I've got in my head, um i know better than that. You know, shit is different now.

01:29:13.79
Bill
Right.

01:29:15.33
Mike
um You know, I don't have to like it, but I have to accept it.

01:29:20.94
Bill
Right.

01:29:21.50
Mike
Yeah.

01:29:21.82
Bill
Yeah. And I was going to say that, I mean, that almost it came to the first thing that came to my mind was that ah dangerous, you know, that it could be dangerous for us to fixate on how things used to be again, whether that's fixating on how we used to be before we got sober or, you know, oh things were really good back then and things were fine and I can handle this again.

01:29:29.80
Mike
Yeah.

01:29:32.66
Mike
Right.

01:29:36.31
Mike
Right. Hmm. Yeah.

01:29:40.14
Bill
and

01:29:40.34
Mike
Right.

01:29:41.88
Bill
um But when it when it comes to music, it's OK for us to fixate on the old little old music, though. Right.

01:29:46.26
Mike
Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely. It was, yeah.

01:29:48.12
Bill
OK.

01:29:48.54
Mike
yeah

01:29:51.42
Bill
Okay, good. So that's the one thing we can fix on. um All right. So, God damn, this is another one. Controlling, a number seven, controlling every conversation.

01:30:01.76
Mike
Yeah.

01:30:02.04
Bill
Again, these are so fucking all or nothing.

01:30:04.28
Mike
Right.

01:30:04.40
Bill
just These are just stupid. i I'm guessing you don't agree with that because I know for a fact that you don't you don't do that, so.

01:30:09.54
Mike
No.

01:30:11.76
Mike
No, of course not. No.

01:30:12.92
Bill
Okay, this just dumb.

01:30:13.44
Mike
Right.

01:30:14.28
Bill
Okay, this this last one, I know we, not last, second to last one, I know we both disagree with.

01:30:14.42
Mike
Yes.

01:30:19.81
Bill
Developing a victim mentality.

01:30:22.20
Mike
yeah Nope, doesn't work.

01:30:26.55
Bill
Yeah, you know what? I mean, we've actually become, we've come the opposite of that. I think I was, I was, both of us, I believe, we're just, we talk about that almost every episode.

01:30:30.14
Mike
Yes.

01:30:35.11
Bill
um I think had more of a, not even more of, but probably always a victim mentality before we got sober, right?

01:30:39.58
Mike
Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, it's everybody. All right. This world is doing this to me. yeah No, it's not.

01:30:48.73
Bill
All of you people.

01:30:50.21
Mike
That's right.

01:30:51.61
Bill
Okay. Last one criticizing everyone else's choices. Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:30:55.90
Mike
Yeah, yeah no.

01:31:01.50
Bill
ah no I know.

01:31:02.30
Mike
Right.

01:31:02.35
Bill
Right.

01:31:03.03
Mike
Yeah, again, you know, yes. I see people making bad choices all the time. What am I going to do about it? You know, ah yeah.

01:31:09.27
Bill
Right.

01:31:10.94
Mike
Criticizing their choices um is, again, burning calories, man, that I don't fucking have.

01:31:17.88
Bill
Right. And, you know, again, that that somebody else and somebody else's choices falls into the the people, places and things.

01:31:24.73
Mike
Yes, it does.

01:31:24.80
Bill
You know, we we cannot. And I have no desire to try to control those fucking things. So, um well, that was that was mildly amusing, but that was a dumb list.

01:31:29.78
Mike
Nope.

01:31:33.64
Bill
I'm just going to I'm going to go.

01:31:34.10
Mike
Yes. a

01:31:36.72
Bill
I'm going to jump right out there and say it to myself. That was a dumb list. But I don't know. Worth if nothing else, worth a couple of a couple of chuckles for the new year. What do you think, Mike?

01:31:46.04
Mike
Absolutely.

01:31:47.13
Bill
yeah Thank you.

01:31:48.44
Mike
ha.

01:31:48.86
Bill
Thank you for patronizing me. I appreciate it.

01:31:50.87
Mike
Yes.

01:31:52.02
Bill
All right. That's our first, uh, first time patronizing one or one or the other this year.

01:31:56.54
Mike
Yes.

01:31:56.54
Bill
So I appreciate that too.

01:31:57.69
Mike
um see

01:31:58.71
Bill
All right. So, um, I, I don't know. I, I think, uh, looking at the time that after my dumb list, I think it's, uh, I think it's definitely that time though, isn't it?

01:32:06.30
Mike
It is.

01:32:06.32
Bill
All right.

01:32:06.98
Mike
it is. Well, thank you, everyone, for listening to yet another episode of Sober Not Mature. as always, be kind to each other, be good to each other, go out and do something nice for somebody else this week, and don't tell anybody you did it.

01:32:21.34
Mike
Now, from the bottom of my heart to the depths of my soul, from the beginning of time until the ends of the earth, always it eternally, fuck you.

01:32:34.26
Mike
Now it's time, kids. It's that time. It is time for you to fuck off. Then keep fucking off. Keep fucking off till you get to a gate with a sign on it saying, you cannot fuck off past here.

01:32:48.44
Mike
Climb over that gate. Dream the impossible dream. And keep fucking off forever.

01:32:56.38
Bill
And you know what? your ah Your whole fucking off and using the word fuck reminded me that I watched i watched Bad Santa last night.

01:33:03.13
Mike
Ah.

01:33:03.74
Bill
Which, has it been? I know you've seen the movie, but how long has it been since you've seen it?

01:33:08.89
Mike
Um, you know, I don't know if I've seen it since I got sober.

01:33:13.53
Bill
Oh, really? Oh, God.

01:33:13.94
Mike
Um, yeah, I mean, that was, you know, the last few years, i don't remember what year it came out, but definitely the last few years I was drinking. Um, that was, you know, Christmas Eve, man, get drunk and watch bad Santa.

01:33:26.74
Bill
it's your real

01:33:26.95
Mike
Uh, oh yeah. Yep.

01:33:29.98
Bill
i I don't know if you've ever told me that, but it's just ah I popped on into HBO Max again because I want to Mad Men, that TV series has finally moved over to something that that where all of it's in one place where you can watch it.

01:33:32.70
Mike
yep

01:33:38.97
Mike
Yeah.

01:33:43.71
Bill
i want I'm going to rewatch that that whole series. And then I saw Bad Santa. I'm like, well, fuck this. It's only an hour and a half. I'm going to watch that.

01:33:49.75
Mike
Right.

01:33:50.81
Bill
So funny. and the I forget her name because I looked her up. Lauren something is the chicken there. And when you're just saying the whole fuck thing, when she's the the first time they meet at the bar, blah, blah, blah.

01:33:55.54
Mike
Yeah.

01:34:01.72
Bill
I was just there in the car. I literally haven't sex.

01:34:03.57
Mike
Yep.

01:34:04.39
Bill
She's like, fuck me, Santa. Fuck me, Santa. Fuck me, Santa.

01:34:05.87
Mike
Yeah.

01:34:06.16
Bill
Fuck me, Santa. Every time they have sex, and then one time in the background, the grannies watch TV, and they're in the hot tub, and you just hear, fuck me, Santa, fuck me, Santa, fuck me, Santa.

01:34:14.46
Mike
Mm-hmm. Uh-huh. All right.

01:34:16.41
Bill
Oh, she's fucking baby laughing. She's quite she's quite something she's something to look at. That's for goddamn sure, but don't know why.

01:34:22.20
Mike
um

01:34:25.41
Bill
I just have this thing for their Santa Claus.

01:34:28.25
Mike
okay

01:34:30.07
Bill
Oh, anyhow. So yeah, if, if you get a chance, anyone, if, if you've never seen the movie, by God, if you like Billy Bob Thornton and i'm just fucking stupid fucking humor and it's, it's fucking hilarious, but yeah.

01:34:36.25
Mike
ahha

01:34:40.83
Bill
And you, you should watch it again. I'll tell you that much.

01:34:42.78
Mike
a

01:34:43.11
Bill
So anyhow. So, all right. I love you, brother.

01:34:47.42
Mike
I love you too.

01:34:48.57
Bill
And I know for a fact, we're going to talk soon.

01:34:51.38
Mike
We shall.

01:34:52.15
Bill
ah Bye.