SoberNotMature - Episode 234 (Pitt & The Perineum - Taint No Thang)

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Bill
All right, everyone. Welcome once again to another episode of Sober, Not Mature. Did you hear it, Kev? Did you hear it?

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Mike
What? What did I hear?

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Bill
I have a voice back.

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Mike
Oh!

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Bill
Another! Another!

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Mike
Wow. Alright.

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Bill
okay Yeah, you know what? to it's I still get a little bit of ah a dry cough at night, but... Yeah, whatever that fucking thing was that I had, it was ah it was no fun. it It tagged on to to me for...

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Bill
quite a while like I say it's still a little bit of a a cough at night but which is which is weird because all during the day for the most part i'm good but

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Mike
Mmm.

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Bill
Yeah, I don't know it

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Mike
I guess you just had to go a little south or something.

00:00:39.96
Bill
Yeah, well, that's yeah that's a whole other thing.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
we We could talk about that as we as we get into it. but so um oh If you're a new listener, the reason that...

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Mike
Yes. Right.

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Bill
i don't I don't know why you should listen. just You know what? We're a lot of fun. We're we're not like anyone else out there or nothing else.

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Mike
Sure.

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Bill
I don't know if that's good, bad, or indifferent.

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Mike
ah

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Bill
I'm guessing it's not necessarily good, bad, or indifferent. We are just not like everyone else out there. which We're kind of proud of, I think. Right, Mike?

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Mike
Oh, yeah, yeah.

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Bill
Yes? Okay, yeah. So, you know, kind of fuck everyone else and... the Hopefully, if you stick around for a minute or or two, or maybe an episode or so, then you might, I don't know, we probably grow on you like.

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Mike
Mold.

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Bill
Fungus or something.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
Yeah, fungus. But so real quick, see the and I mentioned the. The Zencaster update. And Mike, as he was is he was logging in, got a brand new screen.

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Mike
Uh-huh.

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Bill
And I had something different, too. When I sent you the link, I don't know if you noticed it didn't have the episode number in it.

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Mike
ha

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Mike
I didn't even pay attention.

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Bill
The only reason I and it just caught my eye. It's just like, you know, I'm so used to doing this There's this rhythm to this to this thing that I do every week, which again is not hard, but you know just You notice something just a tad out of place.

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Mike
Yeah. Oh yeah.

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Bill
you know

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Mike
Yes, i'm I'm noticing now there's no episode number.

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Bill
Yeah, and I looked at it and I'm like...

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Mike
I don't know where I'm at, man.

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Bill
And I'm like, well, we're on episode 234, just in case you need, just in case you want to know what everyone else wants to know.

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Mike
All right. No.

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Bill
Episode 234, folks. but um

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
So I saw that and then I looked back.

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Mike
Sequential.

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Bill
Yeah.

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Mike
234.

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Bill
know. I know. Yeah. is Numbers. Have fun with numbers tonight, too.

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Mike
Mmm.

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Bill
So if you're a new listener, you get to do that, too. you get to We do play with we play with numbers and have fun with numbers, too.

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Mike
Sure.

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Bill
But um so I look back at the in last week's episode. I'm like, I know the I know it was in there and it was set up differently because it had it's got my like. my um beginning my email address in there also plus the episode number and i'm like well at least it's just you if it doesn't work then we can you know fucking figure it out but

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Mike
well

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Bill
So long story short, there was there was a power outage and I... The update on Zencastr was on...

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
tuesday And I plan on going in on Tuesday afternoon. um There was no power until I got down here. I'm in Indianapolis. I'll talk about that later. but um

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Mike
Yo. yoall

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Bill
I didn't get down here until Wednesday afternoon. and So, I mean, I had like. I didn't have service and blah, blah, blah. But um so when I finally get in to check it out.

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Mike
Uh huh.

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Bill
it's the same it looked the same and i'm like except for one thing if you look i don't know is your message thing different where it says messages and footnotes okay so i noticed that right away but everything else is the same at least it looks the same on my end

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Mike
Yeah. Mm hmm.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
So I'm like, that's kind of weird. So then I read back of the email. And what they did was is they they have this new thing. So it's the new the new software. But what it said was, and I'm guessing... If you weren't on a higher level...

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Bill
which clearly we weren't.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
Like a higher level of of what we're paying for you know Because cause they said that...

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
um Hang on one second. so Here's the email. It says, great news. Built a new generation of Zencaster, blah, blah. Upgraded you to an enterprise plan. So we were not on whatever enterprise.

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Bill
enterprise plan is we were not.

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Mike
hu

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Bill
on that. so it says ah

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Mike
So who's Kirk and who's Spock?

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Bill
um I don't know. yeah How big are your fucking ears? I think my ears are probably bigger than yours.

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Mike
Right. All right.

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Bill
so

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Mike
Live long and prosper.

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Bill
hey Yeah, exactly. so um said we know or oh So you can check out whenever or check it out whenever you're ready. So obviously the upgrade.

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Mike
me

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Bill
We know you depend on Zencastr to run your show, so we're not forcing you to make any changes. Our enterprise plan includes a version switcher so you can move between the current and... and new versions freely.

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Mike
hu All right.

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Bill
I'm like, okay so when i logged in it was on the old version then i looked i read back and

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
I saw where I could do it, and I flipped in the new version. just this is I've got a black screen, which I think you probably do too.

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Mike
Yeah, I always have.

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Bill
yeah same same here and i i flipped over and it was white and different things that i could see whatever and i'm like i'm like i'm not gonna even try to fuck with it because i didn't have to you know And I know this works, and we what we talked about, we know what we need, and I have i don't feel like fucking with it.

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Mike
Mmm.

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Mike
Right?

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Bill
but

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
So here's a list of what the new thing has. New interface for editing. I don't edit within the within.

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Mike
right

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Bill
this um hd live streaming like we did with

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
riverside So I'm like, that's Riverside-ish. because it goes straight from Zencaster to Twitch and YouTube.

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Mike
yeah

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Bill
So Riverside went to YouTube. Um, AI-assisted pre- and post-production, we don't use that.

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Mike
Mm hmm. All right

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Bill
Easy clipping, we don't use that.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
Publish everywhere, it's already done when we upload it into Spotify.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
Go visual, nope, don't we need to do that.

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Mike
Right?

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Bill
um A network, meet up meet other podcasters, fuck them, we don't need to do that. um New monetization, nope, don't need to do that.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
a sleek new recorder coming soon i'm like well we don't need one

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Mike
Well...

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Bill
So there's literally nothing in the new version that we need.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
So if it If it allows us, which I'm hoping, to stick on this old one like for fucking ever, then why why should we change?

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Mike
Yeah. Right.

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Bill
you know

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Mike
Yes, exactly.

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Bill
So. I mean, um I'm hoping I'm hoping that that's what that's what happens. So but yeah, I mean, at this point, there just doesn't seem to be any reason whatsoever to either. There's nothing in that new version that I'd want to be like, oh, you know, maybe we should check out this. This would be kind of cool.

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Bill
there's not There's nothing in there that we want to use.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
you know.

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Mike
Right, yeah, well, there's, yeah, just fucking record us and and put it up there and leave us the fuck alone.

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Bill
Right, yeah, and and that's why I'm thinking if if they just allow this.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
The only the only thing that i that I find with software companies, and that's what this is, I mean, this is a software company just like anyone else, is that sooner or later there's a cost to supporting.

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Mike
Yeah. right

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Bill
you know, any version that they have or any like you know software instance or whatever they want to call it So.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Mike
Sure.

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Bill
they may get to the point where they're like, eh, we're just not going to do it anymore. now if and when that happens and i'm guessing it's going to be a when that happens I would think they're going to give people plenty of notice, say, that hey, by you know we're going to sunset this whole thing within three months.

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Mike
h

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Bill
you know So by whatever date.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
um And who knows? Maybe they'll they'll keep this open for people through the end of the year and then do it with that.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
Whatever it is, then we'll deal with it. I don't i have no desire to fuck with it unless we have to.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
So.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
but But, I mean, it's just – unless you – you want me to read that list again?

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Mike
Okay.

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Bill
Was there anything on there?

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Mike
No, i know know nothing.

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Bill
that Because I can. I mean, I can go through that again if you're if you're unsure.

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Mike
ah but yeah you Yeah, you can. Sure, you're able. No, I'm i'm very sure.

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Bill
I know. i just Just fucking around.

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Mike
Hehehehehehehehehehe.

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Bill
No, I could do it again. Come on.

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Mike
Right. yeah I know you're capable of it. I don't want you to.

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Bill
Heh. off. Don't you dare read that again. God damn you.

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Mike
Hee hee hee hee.

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Bill
But, yeah, so it it is it is what it is. but ah

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
I was actually just so happy because, you know, I was, by the time all was said and done, I mean, i you know, by the time I got down here, it was fucking Wednesday, you know, Wednesday night. And I'm like, I gotta get in here. Look at this goddamn thing.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
And, you know, it was like, I think Wednesday night, um I was fucking tired. It was just a long week and, you know, all sorts of things.

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Mike
Mm hmm. Yes it was.

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Bill
and um And then I looked at him like. Oh, well, okay, then I, thankfully, just, you know, there's there's one less thing for me to throw on on this plate of what I have for whatever life is.

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Mike
say

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
Not that my life is bad, but you know what I mean. So.

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Mike
Great.

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Bill
So yeah, that's it. um

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Mike
and Okay.

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Bill
Well, yeah, yeah that's that's the update, and that's ah that's all all the there is on that.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
There's just plenty of shit to talk about, I think. so um

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Mike
Amen.

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Bill
Yeah that's it.

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Mike
All right all right we're done all right so everybody fuck off we're done

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Bill
So what else are we going to do? yeah What else? it's Let me just put it this way. That's it for me. I don't have anything else to run my mouth about if we're at the at the moment right now.

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Mike
Oh.

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Mike
Alright.

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Bill
So I got plenty of stuff. I got things that I that i wrote down this week.

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Mike
All right.

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Bill
So I get i got i get stuff.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
I got things.

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Mike
All right.

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Bill
So.

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Mike
All right. Well, I don't know. What do I got? I'm getting fucking old. I know that.

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Bill
Yeah. yeah Yeah, that... ah

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Mike
Everyday creeps. Yeah. Well, we had a fundraiser for the Keating Center last Saturday.

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Bill
Oh, yeah, yeah. yeah

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Mike
Yeah. yeah um I didn't make it to the end. Yeah,

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Bill
Oh, really?

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Mike
I bailed about an hour early, which I've... never done.

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Bill
Really?

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Mike
Um... yeah yeah i was usual thing i was working the the politically incorrect Chinese raffle, which we don't fucking call it anymore. We don't call it that. We call it baskets now, but that's what it is.

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Mike
it's Chinese raffle.

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
um Yeah, you know, my usual shit. I mean, got there. hour and a half before it started something like that and got set up and you know had some friends our pal leo was helping with that so that was cool um yeah and uh whatever but yeah about you know we're supposed to run

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Bill
Nice.

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Mike
Well, it was supposed to run until 7. We usually start winding things down about a half hour early, 6 .30, whatever. Yeah, it was hot as balls out there. I was under a tent. It was fine. There was a breeze. but About 5 .30, man. I was just like, you know what?

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Mike
The girls were pretty much selling the tickets. I i didn't do very well, which was fine. um I mean, you know, I i sold, I don't know, 300 bucks worth or something, you know, and yeah.

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Bill
Hehehehe.

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
um But I mean, they were doing the lion's share of. tossing the tickets out and Yeah, I was just like, you know what? I'm getting a little nauseous. It's hot out here.

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Mike
I've been drinking water. I ate. Everything was cool. it was I was just all, fuck it, man.

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
i've I'm done. So I went over to our pal Jim and said, hey, man, here's the money I got. i'm I'm doing an Irish goodbye, and I'm out of here.

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Bill
Hehehehe.

00:10:06.36
Mike
And I did.

00:10:08.74
Bill
Right. You know what? I mean, fuck it. Nothing wrong with that. I mean, especially with the, you know, standing out there. So the extreme, when we were out there in that cold, whatever that was, a couple of Octobers ago.

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Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

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Bill
um you know And then the heat's no fun either. i mean it's that here's Here's the thing, you know and i and I don't complain about...

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
about the heat um if Most of the time. you know.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
because I still go back to when, whatever it was, it was seven, eight years ago when, again, the real temperature, and I think you guys got hit with it too, but that real temperature in Wisconsin, it was like.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
real temperature of 30 below, you know, for a couple of days.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
And I mean, That was the temperature.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
So with wind chills, I mean, it it was fucking terrible. and And I'm like, okay, so at this point.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
forward i'm like i don't care how hot it gets i'm just not i'm not going to complain about it you know um

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
But i I want to be climate controlled when I'm indoors.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
That's it. You know, when I'm outside, if I choose to be outside, I'm going to deal with it.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
But to your point, if I start, and I've had it happen before, if you know, you just, you either, you do a little bit too much or you didn't, you know, whatever the case is.

00:11:03.83
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:11:07.72
Bill
And if, and if you don't feel good, I'm like, I'm like, I gotta get the fuck out of here.

00:11:08.09
Mike
Right.

00:11:12.83
Bill
You know?

00:11:13.32
Mike
Yep.

00:11:14.47
Bill
But, yeah, a circumstance like that, fuck it. Oh, yeah, well, I'll talk about it later, too. Where where I'm going and then where we're going to be in a couple of weeks, it's it's like 100-plus degrees.

00:11:21.45
Mike
Mm hmm. Yeah, I know. I've been i've been checking to see what it's like.

00:11:25.06
Bill
Oh, yeah.

00:11:25.34
Mike
Yeah, it's supposed to be sunny and 100 degrees.

00:11:25.62
Bill
yeah

00:11:27.46
Mike
Yeah.

00:11:28.41
Bill
Yep. Yeah, a little humid and on top of that. so But I think I'll i'll explain what kind of what our what Kathy and I's project is, too, if we have a couple of minutes.

00:11:31.30
Mike
aha

00:11:37.52
Bill
Because, you know again, I'm going to be in you know two different places over the next few weeks.

00:11:37.99
Mike
Sure.

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Bill
So I haven't been able to travel in in a while for you know good reason, I suppose.

00:11:41.82
Mike
Right.

00:11:45.37
Bill
For reason reason enough, you know I didn't have any money.

00:11:45.77
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.

00:11:48.00
Bill
That was a good reason. I didn't have the money to spend on it.

00:11:49.34
Mike
Yeah.

00:11:51.15
Bill
I mean, yeah, you could always I could have always done it. but you know

00:11:53.55
Mike
Sure. Yeah, right

00:11:55.78
Bill
Okay. You can always fucking do anything. You can always fucking do it.

00:11:57.89
Mike
I can spend my whole paycheck in one night. No problem.

00:12:00.50
Bill
Yeah. I know. And to see that the meme I posted today, it was ah hotter than... ah than a cracked spoon on payday or a spoon in a...

00:12:07.97
Mike
Oh.

00:12:09.06
Bill
Crack House Update 8.

00:12:10.69
Mike
um No, I did not

00:12:11.93
Bill
ah yeah it's ah And I'm like,

00:12:13.24
Mike
I haven't. Yeah, I've been. Yeah. Today was busy. So, yes.

00:12:18.41
Bill
I'm just thinking that i'm like I'm like, yeah, this will probably get a reaction. That's inappropriate. I hope somebody does it.

00:12:23.58
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:12:24.10
Bill
it Fuck you.

00:12:25.19
Mike
Right. Of course it's inappropriate.

00:12:27.99
Bill
But it...

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Mike
That's the whole point

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Bill
is you At least somebody can say, what does this have to do with sobriety?

00:12:32.11
Mike
Yeah.

00:12:33.99
Bill
Yeah, got you there fuckers, you know, you could you can complain about it, but it it is what it is so

00:12:35.39
Mike
Right.

00:12:38.96
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:12:40.12
Bill
All right, man. But what do you think? So you I'm guessing, just guessing here.

00:12:43.84
Mike
oh

00:12:44.60
Bill
Got yourself a reading?

00:12:45.63
Mike
Yeah, I got one Yeah, I did dig around, but I found something that wasn't bad, and it actually kind of relates to you, so...

00:12:46.96
Bill
Okay.

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Bill
Me?

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Mike
ah Yes, you, I know.

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Bill
Oh my gosh.

00:12:57.52
Mike
Right.

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Bill
is it Is it as Bill sees it?

00:13:00.68
Mike
It is as Bill sees it, but a different Bill.

00:13:02.49
Bill
Well... Okay, different bill.

00:13:03.94
Mike
But the subject matter. has something to do with you.

00:13:07.87
Bill
Okay.

00:13:08.48
Mike
Yes, so

00:13:08.75
Bill
umm I'm a little a little nervous here, possibly. I can't even say I'm excited.

00:13:11.23
Mike
Hehehehehehehehe.

00:13:13.26
Bill
I'm just like, oh, God, what what now?

00:13:14.61
Mike
Mmm. Right? No, no, no, no.

00:13:17.18
Bill
No, just kidding.

00:13:16.96
Mike
It's all good stuff.

00:13:18.04
Bill
Just kidding. Okay.

00:13:19.50
Mike
Anyway, so yes, this is, as Bill sees it, this is a letter that he wrote in 1960.

00:13:27.29
Bill
Hmm.

00:13:27.48
Mike
And the title of this little deal here is Walking Towards Serenity.

00:13:34.53
Bill
Nice.

00:13:34.82
Mike
see movie i see you walking right i i heard somewhere that you hike you're a hiker now

00:13:38.94
Bill
Heh heh. um'm I'm a hiker and a Walker. Yeah, I am.

00:13:41.59
Mike
Yes, right.

00:13:41.70
Bill
I am.

00:13:42.50
Mike
Yes. So here we are.

00:13:44.49
Bill
Okay.

00:13:44.60
Mike
Tightrope Street. Anyway. ah ah Walking Towards Serenity. Yeah. When I was tired and couldn't concentrate.

00:13:55.67
Mike
I used to fall back on an affirmation towards life that took the form. of simple walking and deep breathing I sometimes told myself that I couldn't even do this, that I was too weak.

00:14:08.79
Mike
But I learned that this was the point at which I could not give in without becoming still more depressed. So I would set myself. A small stint.

00:14:19.31
Mike
and I was determined to walk a quarter of a mile. And I would concentrate by counting my breathing, say so six steps to each slow inhalation and four to each exhalation. Yeah.

00:14:32.64
Mike
ah Having done this quarter mile, I found that I could go on. Maybe a half mile more. Then another half mile and maybe another.

00:14:43.11
Mike
This was encouraging. The false sense of physical weakness would leave me. This feeling being so characteristic of depressions. Yeah. The walking and especially the breathing were very powerful affirmations towards life and living and away from failure and death.

00:15:02.01
Mike
The counting represented a minimum discipline in concentration. to get some rest from the wear and tear of fear and guilt. That's a letter he wrote in 1960.

00:15:16.15
Bill
So... um Well, I mean, I like that.

00:15:18.69
Mike
Yeah.

00:15:20.47
Bill
i i kind of I kind of resemble some of those things. so

00:15:23.05
Mike
Yes.

00:15:24.06
Bill
But, um all right, so it it went towards towards the end, and i was I got to powerful affirmations. There was a couple of things after that. But, I mean, the the basic thing, obviously, throughout that is that, you know, I mean, he was it was an opportunity to to get out there.

00:15:33.51
Mike
Mm.

00:15:36.40
Bill
and um ah way to blow off steam and a way to, you know, kind of relieve depression and all that sort of things.

00:15:40.61
Mike
Mmm. Mm-hmm.

00:15:42.17
Bill
Correct. um

00:15:43.24
Mike
Yes.

00:15:44.29
Bill
But, I mean, what are your kind of initial thoughts? and Pick any part of it. It's all kind of the same and mixed together and intermingled.

00:15:49.66
Mike
Right.

00:15:49.70
Bill
and I wrote out some some you know like some highlights, but i mean what are your thoughts on all that?

00:15:53.22
Mike
Yeah. i mean well okay so you know yes we all we all get down right we all we all have problems we all whatever you know life starts to get a little crushing sometimes

00:15:58.22
Bill
Right.

00:16:04.77
Mike
Blah, blah, blah. And I mean, you know, he's he's he's saying, yeah, absolutely. You know, this is 1962, right? So he's been sober for. I'm 35 working on 40 years, right?

00:16:18.10
Bill
Oh yeah.

00:16:18.85
Mike
You know.

00:16:18.96
Bill
Right.

00:16:19.50
Mike
um And. Hmm. And he's still. You know, life's getting to him sometimes. Um, But, yeah, it's, it's you know. Basically saying, you know, don't just sit there. don't don't wallow in your shit you know stop the pity party get up off your ass, put one foot in front of the other and do something, you know, something, sometimes it is something just as simple and, and, you know, set a small goal.

00:16:46.91
Mike
Um. You know, i'm I'm going to do this for a quarter of a mile, you know, and then you get a quarter of a mile in and you go, I'm just kind of feeling a little better. Maybe I'll go another a quarter of a mile. Then maybe I'll go half a mile. Then, maybe you know, before you know it, you've you've walked. Five miles, right? um I mean, it's kind of indicative of of all of this you know yeah you're getting down whatever Get your ass up.

00:17:11.80
Mike
Don't sit there in your shit and, you know. do something sometimes it's simple and set small goals you know i'm gonna do a quarter of a mile and before you know it you've done that quarter of a mile and you

00:17:25.42
Mike
starting to feel a little better and you go do a little more um just same with with all this rica you know one day at a time shit you know i'm gonna go one day without drinking i'm gonna go one hour without drinking i'm gonna go one minute without drinking Um, You know, you go that minute and then you do another minute and then you have that hour and then you throw a few of those hours together and you got that day.

00:17:48.79
Mike
And then you throw a few of those days together and you got a week and then you got a month. And then before you know it, you're looking back at over 16 years going, fuck me.

00:17:58.94
Bill
Right, right

00:18:00.08
Mike
It's been 16 goddamn years since I've put a mood or mind altering substance into my body. Holy shit. yeah And it all started with that.

00:18:09.10
Bill
Right.

00:18:11.79
Mike
I'm just not gonna do it right now. And yeah, it adds up. you know so yeah you know i just I thought it was a nice example of kind of everything. you know And when you get down...

00:18:22.26
Bill
Right.

00:18:24.27
Mike
Get up. Don't sit there and go, oh, I'm fucking beat. I'm tired. I'm worn out. No, get up and do that quarter of a mile. And before you know it, you got five under your feet.

00:18:35.53
Bill
Right. Well, and and you know, the the thing of it is when, um and I started doing the the hiking thing, and I know we joke about it. Hey, I'm a hiker, you know.

00:18:41.80
Mike
Hmm. Hey!

00:18:42.84
Bill
um But... when i When I did start doing that, and even through you know the times when I when i literally had i had a heart issue and I didn't know it.

00:18:50.94
Mike
and

00:18:51.17
Bill
um You know, I was still out there, you know. doing the walking and doing the thing but the the difference between then and now was i couldn't sustain it and i didn't understand why i just thought to your point the the way we started this would you know fucking old you know

00:19:00.62
Mike
Mm hmm. Yeah. I'm getting old man.

00:19:04.32
Bill
Yeah, and and i used to you if you remember, and I know I brought this up like right after I had the heart attack, and it it had to have been true, you know I joke about being an old Buick and I had to get out there and blow the carburetor out.

00:19:09.54
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:19:14.90
Mike
Right.

00:19:15.22
Bill
and Quite honestly, I think that's what I was doing, you know.

00:19:16.88
Mike
instance Mm hmm.

00:19:18.62
Bill
And I think if I would have sat just, you know, just sat around and did whatever, I mean, shit, I probably i probably would have had a a major heart attack.

00:19:25.83
Mike
Yeah.

00:19:26.02
Bill
maybe a while ago. I don't know.

00:19:27.46
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:19:28.19
Bill
um Even when, you know, prior to back when I was smoking and things like that, when I worked in the places in Madison, when I worked even a place in Milwaukee.

00:19:36.14
Mike
Is this?

00:19:36.19
Bill
you know granted i would walk across to the other side of the building to get coffee and then go downstairs to smoke a cigarette so i was going from not necessarily the most healthy things in the world

00:19:42.27
Mike
Right.

00:19:45.54
Mike
Uh huh.

00:19:46.23
Bill
But I was walking my ass off all the time you know And there was a period of time when um I couldn't...

00:19:48.06
Mike
Right.

00:19:51.63
Bill
I. couldn't Well, I didn't realize I couldn't gain weight. I was actually losing weight if I changed the way that I ate.

00:19:57.90
Mike
Mhm.

00:19:58.14
Bill
because I was walking so much years ago.

00:19:59.76
Mike
Right.

00:19:59.72
Bill
And this was after I got sober.

00:20:01.68
Mike
Yeah.

00:20:02.02
Bill
you know, cause I was eating relatively healthy. And then I started losing weight, you know.

00:20:04.23
Mike
Yeah.

00:20:06.48
Bill
So I actually had to i'd eat heavier so I could, whatever, gain weight back.

00:20:09.65
Mike
Hmm, hmm, hmm.

00:20:11.03
Bill
but So the difference in that and in what I do now. is, you know, I i figure that, okay, so...

00:20:15.37
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:20:18.86
Bill
They were telling me, you got to get out. You got to make sure you walk, do whatever. And I'm like, okay. I did it to begin with to replace. It wasn't because I was depressed, but um of course, I'm not vaping anymore.

00:20:26.50
Mike
is

00:20:27.50
Bill
I quit smoking a few years ago.

00:20:28.54
Mike
Right.

00:20:29.38
Bill
I needed a replacement for that time. The same the same way, going back to the sobriety thing.

00:20:32.37
Mike
Hmm. Mm hmm.

00:20:34.69
Bill
We used to go to a meeting every night, you know whether it was a 5, 30, a 6, or a 7, during, what you let's say, happy hour, quote-unquote.

00:20:37.02
Mike
Right. Mm hmm.

00:20:41.57
Mike
Sure.

00:20:41.71
Bill
you know And. I don't know that we – who knows? Maybe these maybe these you know alcoholic people out there that are setting up these meetings you know bulk up that time of day for that reason.

00:20:49.53
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:20:51.63
Bill
I don't know.

00:20:52.23
Mike
Hmm.

00:20:52.39
Bill
Maybe they do. Maybe they don't. you know But it was it was a replacement for what we used to do.

00:20:53.70
Mike
Yeah.

00:20:56.90
Bill
And we tell people that whenever you feel like you might drink, do something other change, just change a little bit of a direction.

00:20:58.28
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:21:01.28
Mike
Right.

00:21:02.65
Bill
And that includes, you know, the.

00:21:03.10
Mike
Yep.

00:21:04.31
Bill
um I'll read that and then excite. i have a story behind that one too but so what i started doing was

00:21:08.13
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:21:10.03
Bill
I figure out I'm going outside to take a break. Usually if I smoke a cigarette it's you know or vape, it's you know four or five minutes you know and i'm and I'm back in.

00:21:12.31
Mike
Right.

00:21:16.73
Mike
Sure. Yeah.

00:21:18.66
Bill
So I'm like, okay, I'm going to set a timer every time I walk for four minutes.

00:21:22.76
Mike
Yeah.

00:21:23.04
Bill
And i'm goingnna like I'm going to get four-minute walks in every time I take a break. you know whether it's once an hour or whatever the case is, and I still do that.

00:21:26.69
Mike
Right.

00:21:29.65
Bill
Now, I sometimes walk a little bit more.

00:21:30.06
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:21:32.09
Bill
sometimes walk i don't I still set the timer, but but that's what I do. So four minutes at a time, like today, for instance, I walked four miles.

00:21:40.33
Mike
<unk>

00:21:40.99
Bill
And that's just, I worked all day.

00:21:42.99
Mike
Yeah.

00:21:43.59
Bill
And that was just literally you know four to eight minutes at a time because i had I had a longer lunch today, so I think I walked for 15 minutes, a little bit longer time than if I had time to walk, whatever it was. so But literally at at four minutes at a crack, four to six minutes at a crack, I get four miles, you know which.

00:21:59.97
Mike
Right.

00:22:01.01
Bill
Kind of goes along with this.

00:22:02.25
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:22:02.90
Bill
But here's the other thing. Years ago, um Dawn was the one that told me this when we were going through our shit when Dawn and I were splitting up and I was I literally have I'm having panic attacks and anxiety attacks and she's the one that told me at that point she's like you just go for a walk you know and I tried it and it didn't work because I was still you know I'm still fucking loaded you know so

00:22:12.46
Mike
Mm-hmm

00:22:16.56
Mike
Yep.

00:22:20.66
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

00:22:21.44
Bill
Yeah. counterproductive.

00:22:23.08
Mike
Hehehehe.

00:22:23.58
Bill
um you know of course But... you know The whole point was, as I was told this a long time ago, but didn't even... Well, shit, the Kylie Mile. We were walking every morning at the Keating Center.

00:22:32.32
Mike
e

00:22:33.25
Bill
you know

00:22:33.57
Mike
Mm hmm. Get up and get moving, boys.

00:22:34.57
Bill
Um, Yeah, and you know what? the I'm going back to, again, the Sober Friends podcast. Steve on there says all the time, move a muscle, change a thought. And I thought about that when you were when you were talking about that originally, when you were started talking about this after you did the reading.

00:22:44.11
Mike
he

00:22:49.86
Mike
yeah

00:22:50.90
Bill
And that's exactly it. Get off your ass and do something. you know um And if if I am in a weird mood...

00:22:53.58
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:22:58.02
Bill
um I mean, I've done that before, you know, since since I've been doing this.

00:23:00.54
Mike
he

00:23:02.05
Bill
But here's the other thing that I mentioned too. I know I mentioned a lot. When I'm out you know doing hiking or on a trail, just a walking trail, whatever it is, I rarely, and I mean fucking rarely, do I ever think about anything heavy.

00:23:13.51
Mike
who

00:23:16.05
Mike
Right.

00:23:16.56
Bill
And it's not because I'm like, don't think about that. Don't think about that.

00:23:18.91
Mike
Yeah, yeah.

00:23:19.12
Bill
Don't think about that. it just I just don't. Sometimes it'll pop into my head.

00:23:22.17
Mike
Yeah.

00:23:23.35
Bill
I'm like. Well, work sucks right now, and I'm not even thinking about that.

00:23:26.28
Mike
Right?

00:23:27.14
Bill
you know and And it's even to that point to bring it up and say something like that. it doesn't in a normal circumstance um i might dwell for a minute

00:23:31.94
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:23:35.02
Mike
Sure.

00:23:35.71
Bill
Not while I'm out in the middle of the woods or anything like that.

00:23:37.61
Mike
Yeah.

00:23:37.63
Bill
It it never it never happens.

00:23:38.06
Mike
Right.

00:23:39.31
Bill
It's it's it's fucking weird, but in the best way possible, you know?

00:23:42.19
Mike
yeah yeah well i mean it it makes sense you know look our brains can only handle so much stimulus that at one time right yeah if you're st staring at a blank wall yeah you're gonna fucking start all this shit creeps in you know that's just the way it is but yeah you're out there and there sun and birds and wind and leaves rustling and you know and and you know your body you're

00:23:47.27
Bill
yeah Right. Right? Yeah.

00:23:55.68
Bill
Right.

00:24:03.89
Mike
having to you know you're breathing you're you're moving your legs you're having to balance and whatever you you know all this shit's going on that you're not even thinking about but you know you're having to you

00:24:12.32
Bill
Right.

00:24:14.27
Mike
You have to do it. You know, that's what you're doing. You're walking. You're balancing. You're, you know, looking to make sure you're not tripping over something. You're enjoying the the splendor about you or whatever the fuck, you know.

00:24:21.84
Bill
Right.

00:24:26.67
Mike
But, yeah, I mean, that's just it.

00:24:27.95
Bill
All

00:24:28.26
Mike
You know, we can only handle so much. And if we're if we're if we're giving ourselves, you know. pleasant things and positive things. um Yeah. that that the shit doesn't creep in imagine that

00:24:42.29
Bill
Yeah, and that's ah that's a good point, and I'm glad you said it because I was thinking about that too. Sometimes I am. I'm just i'm just paying attention and focus so I don't fall.

00:24:48.39
Mike
Sure.

00:24:48.32
Bill
you know and i mean Not because I'm on top of a cliff, just because there's you know there's roots and there's rocks and all this other goddamn shit.

00:24:48.50
Mike
Yeah, right

00:24:52.16
Mike
Mm hmm. Right. I mean, you know, it's it's part of the reason I enjoy my job.

00:24:55.78
Bill
did

00:24:58.62
Mike
You know, I fucking bitch about it and hate it and it's a pain in the ass. But, I mean, you know, um there's a certain, you know, when I'm driving, I mean, you know, I've got to constantly scanning and in doing and, you know, what's this asshole going to do?

00:25:12.48
Mike
Is he going to cut in front of me?

00:25:12.94
Bill
hehehehe

00:25:13.48
Mike
Oh, yeah, he sure as fuck is, you know, and and whatever.

00:25:15.72
Bill
Right.

00:25:16.53
Mike
And, yeah, but, I mean, it's constant. It's low level and it's whatever. But, I mean, you know, and, like, I'll listen to a podcast or the radio or whatever. so times And sometimes I don't because just the. act of driving and keeping this fucking 80 ,000 pound vehicle on the road um is enough.

00:25:34.93
Mike
Yeah.

00:25:35.30
Bill
Right. Right.

00:25:35.88
Mike
Yeah.

00:25:36.84
Bill
Yeah, you know, and you you mentioned that before, and that's a good point because and that's what um I don't want to say is. difficult but you know sometimes when you you know you get on the highway and you're in your car and you're driving along and it's it is easy to you know to kind of ah you're you're paying attention but it's not

00:25:47.31
Mike
Right?

00:25:52.51
Mike
Mmm.

00:25:53.18
Bill
You're not paying full attention.

00:25:54.36
Mike
Mwahahahaha

00:25:54.04
Bill
you know And it's it's crazy, you know, because you drive along and you all of a sudden you're like, fuck, man, I got. ah This rest area that was coming up, you know, 50 miles away is now, you know.

00:26:01.67
Mike
Right.

00:26:03.06
Bill
15 miles away.

00:26:03.38
Mike
Yeah.

00:26:03.73
Bill
I'm like,

00:26:03.93
Mike
mm-hmm

00:26:04.69
Bill
What the fuck happened to the last X number of miles?

00:26:06.07
Mike
Hmm. Yeah.

00:26:07.51
Bill
you know And I'm just driving along. yeah I'm not i'm not you know texting. I'm not doing anything like that.

00:26:11.78
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:26:11.85
Bill
I'm just driving along. I'm just doing my thing. you know i'm just I think I'm paying attention. It's just maybe you get just used to what, I don't know, is the second nature. but Yeah, when you've got 80 ,000 pounds you know underneath you and behind you, then, yeah, that's a <unk>s a whole that's next-level shit, right?

00:26:19.19
Mike
Hmm.

00:26:21.44
Mike
Yeah.

00:26:23.93
Mike
Yeah. right yeah well it's supposed to be uh it doesn't necessarily you know whatever you got 5 000 pounds you know that you're cruising along and fucking yeah well they they clearly don't

00:26:26.40
Bill
Yeah. Right.

00:26:33.70
Bill
Right.

00:26:37.08
Mike
But, you know, because I watch them all fucking day long doing really retarded, stupid shit.

00:26:40.96
Bill
Right.

00:26:43.27
Mike
But yes, yes. um You know, so not only do I have to control myself, but I've got to. pay attention to the people not controlling themselves.

00:26:52.88
Bill
Right.

00:26:53.50
Mike
Yeah.

00:26:53.86
Bill
but Well, and i and I said that before, too, that that's one of the things that, I mean, my dad taught me that years and years and years ago.

00:26:59.86
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:27:00.36
Bill
you know And you know his dad taught you know my grandpa. you know His dad taught him that.

00:27:03.87
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:27:04.46
Bill
you know this This whole, I mean, it's it it was his defensive driving and paying attention and you know all these sort of things.

00:27:09.13
Mike
Yeah.

00:27:11.10
Bill
that I'll never forget. He had this. I know I told you this before. After he got sober, he would travel with this coffee pot, and it was a it was a pump.

00:27:18.98
Mike
Uh huh.

00:27:20.72
Bill
pot, but it was ah it was a double.

00:27:21.44
Mike
Right?

00:27:22.93
Bill
Okay.

00:27:23.49
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:27:23.88
Bill
So side by he had a side by side is what he had um a double wide, of you know for his coffee pot And that would sit on the on the passenger side.

00:27:26.23
Mike
Hehehe. Yeah. out Yeah.

00:27:34.61
Bill
Floor.

00:27:35.36
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:27:35.68
Bill
Like right there. And he had he had this this cup, this plastic cup, you know, like with the the bottom part that would fit. They never had a lid on it.

00:27:44.25
Mike
Right.

00:27:44.53
Bill
but you know the bottom part with fitness cup holders so that that piece you know whatever that lip on the bottom of it.

00:27:49.19
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:27:50.30
Bill
But he could drive down the road at 80 miles an hour. He'd reach over. He'd hold on to his cup. I'm like, you want me to get that? He's like, nah, I'm good. And with his thumb, he'd put the cup under the thing.

00:27:56.22
Mike
Heh heh heh.

00:27:59.11
Bill
With his thumb, he just knew how many times to pump it to fill his cup.

00:27:59.09
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:28:02.67
Mike
Yep.

00:28:02.86
Bill
never took his eyes off the goddamn road and would put this cup back in there and just keep on driving.

00:28:04.91
Mike
Right

00:28:07.54
Bill
I'm like, that's a fucking miracle, you know?

00:28:09.19
Mike
Hehehehehehe.

00:28:10.46
Bill
And. But he just he was taught that, you know, he was taught.

00:28:13.25
Mike
Great.

00:28:13.50
Bill
I mean, at that time, you figure those cars back in the, you know, go back to 1960.

00:28:17.64
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:28:17.94
Bill
The 50s and the 60s, when the speed limit was God knows what, you know those cars were like...

00:28:19.85
Mike
Yeah. Right.

00:28:23.06
Bill
you know They're not like they are today. you know.

00:28:25.28
Mike
No.

00:28:26.10
Bill
You're driving ah a fucking, just a hunk of steel on on some wheels with. barely any suspension.

00:28:29.68
Mike
Yep. Right?

00:28:31.50
Bill
You're going 80 miles an hour down the fucking road.

00:28:33.37
Mike
Uh huh.

00:28:34.12
Bill
You're like, okay, here we here we go.

00:28:34.67
Mike
Yeah.

00:28:36.14
Bill
Yeah.

00:28:36.12
Mike
no anti-lock brakes no you know half time they didn't have fucking power steering

00:28:38.45
Bill
Yeah.

00:28:40.63
Bill
Yeah. Yep. You know, then it's no none of that. you know

00:28:43.39
Mike
A lot of that shit.

00:28:44.92
Bill
But, yeah, it's just ah that's, ah I mean, honestly, a good reading. And, you know, the the thing the the biggest thing there, and I like the fact that it talked about you know depression in there too and it doesn't necessarily have to be you know so anyone anyone listening to this i mean if if you got some shit going on You know, it is, it's a, um everything that we just talked about, everything that Mike just said, and I didn't think about that, about the...

00:29:02.38
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:29:08.21
Bill
The use of your senses, you know, even even if you're walking down down a sidewalk, because there's sidewalks in here, and I just walked up a couple of blocks and came back, you know, because I mapped out.

00:29:10.06
Mike
Yeah.

00:29:13.48
Mike
Mm-hmm

00:29:16.80
Mike
Right?

00:29:18.87
Bill
Whenever I go into a new area like that, i mean i'll I'll just set my my stopwatch for two minutes, and then I know where to turn around and come back, and you know i get my I get my time.

00:29:25.32
Mike
Right

00:29:27.65
Bill
you know so But even even walking up there, there's cars pulling out of alleys. I'm crossing the street a couple of times.

00:29:31.64
Mike
who

00:29:33.60
Bill
I mean, who knows what – there's a dog coming out of a house, whatever the case is.

00:29:34.68
Mike
Yeah.

00:29:37.43
Mike
Yep.

00:29:37.45
Bill
I'm not just walking along you know willy-fucking-nilly. I mean, sort of, but –

00:29:39.93
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

00:29:41.72
Bill
You know, it's still, it's a matter of, ah like you said, you're using, you're using your senses. So, I mean, you don't have the time to think about any of this other fucking garbage, you know?

00:29:46.61
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:29:49.40
Mike
Right. Exactly. And I mean, I think you know one of the... important parts because i mean you know bill was pretty open about you know he suffered from depression and shit you know long after he got sober it was a a deal with him and um but yeah you know the

00:29:58.21
Bill
Right.

00:30:03.87
Mike
big thing is don't fucking sit in it you know don't just just get up do something yes i'm tired i don't feel like it i don't want to yeah no shit you know of course you don't you're tired you don't want to you don't feel like it so fucking what do it anyway you know I mean, that's you know, it comes down to, I mean, you know when when I go to my home group, you know, I mean, half the time, I really, you know, it's not like I'm all excited to go.

00:30:06.06
Bill
Right.

00:30:19.89
Bill
Right.

00:30:31.01
Mike
You know, oh, yay.

00:30:31.61
Bill
Heh heh.

00:30:32.26
Mike
i You know, I. you know like It's Sunday. I've been you know like laying around the house, enjoying my day off, whatever. I don't want to fucking get up and go. but I do because I know there's ah a larger purpose to it and I need to be a part of that larger purpose.

00:30:47.35
Mike
you know So, yeah, my feelings don't go into it. It's like, well, no i'm I'm going whether I feel like it or not. And, um you know of course, I always feel better afterwards. but Yeah.

00:30:57.44
Bill
Right.

00:30:58.29
Mike
Yeah.

00:30:59.72
Bill
Well, and you know the the other thing that i and I've said on here too plenty of times, especially in in early sobriety um or even in a handful of years you know that we had under our belt when with when these things you know start to hit you for the first time, whatever it is, um if all else fails, you know I would just i just fucking go to bed.

00:31:11.14
Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm hmm.

00:31:17.03
Bill
you know I mean, i can't I can't go to bed in the middle of a workday.

00:31:18.08
Mike
Right.

00:31:19.87
Bill
you know but

00:31:20.40
Mike
Yeah Heh.

00:31:21.08
Bill
you know what if i If I'm at home, which that would be... The reason I say that is that nine times out of ten, like you just said, you know, sitting in your own shit. You know, if something's going on and you're in you're in a position where you could easily sit in your own shit and wallow and you can't get out to a meeting, you don't feel like fucking calling anyone.

00:31:28.46
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:31:33.55
Mike
Yep.

00:31:36.80
Bill
You're like, I got all this stuff. It's fine. You know, with all that all that fucking bullshit we tell ourselves.

00:31:39.50
Mike
Right. Nonsense, yes.

00:31:43.22
Bill
Yeah, and none of it's true. It's not fine.

00:31:45.30
Mike
Hmm.

00:31:45.57
Bill
We don't got this.

00:31:46.08
Mike
No. Mm-mm.

00:31:47.86
Bill
you know but But, you know, we at least hopefully, you know, ah well, up until today, what time is it? You know, I I haven't found the reason to to take a drink during those times, you know, but if all else fails, I just I went to bed.

00:31:53.32
Mike
Yep, right. Mm hmm.

00:31:59.44
Bill
you know i just fucking went to bed i sit down and i try to watch something i'm like

00:32:00.04
Mike
Yeah.

00:32:03.78
Bill
Let me watch something funny. I'm like, I don't feel like fucking laughing. Okay, let's watch something with action.

00:32:06.24
Mike
Right. Yeah

00:32:08.58
Bill
Well, okay, so that's fine, you know, but then let's ah watch something.

00:32:08.49
Mike
Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

00:32:11.70
Bill
My God, this goddamn thing is going to make me think. you know i don't want to do

00:32:14.49
Mike
Hehehehehehe.

00:32:15.63
Bill
i don't want to do that i want to try to figure out what's going on here

00:32:16.89
Mike
mm-hmm Right.

00:32:19.05
Bill
you know, so Fuck it, I'm i'm going to bed. you know I'm just going to go to bed.

00:32:21.05
Mike
Yep. Mm hmm.

00:32:23.81
Bill
Well, when um I remember when when Uncle John died, you know I was went down to Mom's.

00:32:26.57
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:32:27.67
Bill
you know And i don't for the life of me, I don't even i don't know why I have my big book with me.

00:32:28.08
Mike
Right.

00:32:32.21
Bill
i think I think I actually had the physical book with me and I still to this day.

00:32:36.23
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:32:37.19
Bill
I think I did. I don't think it was on my phone yet. but

00:32:39.34
Mike
Right.

00:32:39.76
Bill
After all said and done, I mean, I was a fucking wreck, and everything's fucked.

00:32:42.22
Mike
Mhm.

00:32:43.70
Bill
Everything's fucked.

00:32:44.05
Mike
Yep. Right.

00:32:45.46
Bill
and I don't know what to do, and I just read the big book.

00:32:47.66
Mike
Yeah.

00:32:47.93
Bill
you know and I... At that point, we were... to two years and eight months yeah yeah two years and yeah about eight months sober you know when when he died You know, so.

00:32:54.01
Mike
Hmm.

00:32:56.17
Mike
Yeah. Okay. Mm hmm.

00:33:00.06
Bill
um And I remember I read the big book. So maybe I did. Maybe it was on my phone. I don't know. It doesn't it doesn't fucking matter. I don't know what I read.

00:33:05.89
Mike
Right.

00:33:06.05
Bill
I don't know where I read it. I don't know.

00:33:07.49
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:33:07.90
Bill
Is it a book or on my phone? It doesn't matter. But I sat there and I just read the big book. you know because i I didn't know what else to do.

00:33:12.55
Mike
Yeah.

00:33:14.43
Bill
You know?

00:33:14.47
Mike
Yeah.

00:33:15.36
Bill
and then you know after After Kathy got down there the next day, um you know she's like... she's like you know You're going to stay, whatever. like i got I got to go back to work. And she's like, you're going back to work?

00:33:24.14
Mike
Right.

00:33:24.62
Bill
I'm like, I i don't know what else to do. I got to go back to work.

00:33:27.32
Mike
Yeah.

00:33:27.91
Bill
You know, and i I showed up to work the next day and I remember our HR person. She's like, what are you doing here?

00:33:32.79
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:33:33.43
Bill
I'm like, i don't I don't know what else to do. you know

00:33:35.41
Mike
Yeah. Great.

00:33:36.07
Bill
I was just honest with her.

00:33:37.83
Mike
Right

00:33:37.97
Bill
you know and i my manager at that point, he didn't know what was going on. I said, do you know what's going on? I told him, he's like, What are you doing here?

00:33:44.67
Mike
you know Right.

00:33:44.78
Bill
I'm like, I i don't know what else to do.

00:33:47.26
Mike
Yeah.

00:33:47.34
Bill
you know

00:33:48.19
Mike
Right.

00:33:48.24
Bill
So I'm i'm here.

00:33:48.32
Mike
i I need to do something. Yeah, right. I need to be productive in some sort of way. i you Right. All this shit that's going on over here, there's nothing I can do. I need to be productive.

00:33:57.57
Bill
Right.

00:33:58.87
Mike
I understand that completely.

00:34:00.69
Bill
Yeah.

00:34:00.69
Mike
Yeah. So, you know, yeah, I'm going to go to fucking work.

00:34:03.68
Bill
Yeah. that's That's what it was. I'm just something like, i'm I'm here. And then I ended up, ah you know, whatever it was, when the funeral was, I took a couple of days off because, you know, do around, do things.

00:34:07.01
Mike
Yeah. Mm hmm.

00:34:11.62
Bill
But yeah, but that's exactly kind of what you're what you're talking about. It was just, I don't, you know, when when you don't know what to do, do so do something, do something.

00:34:15.29
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:34:19.08
Mike
Right.

00:34:19.77
Bill
that that is not negative, something that just completely, you know, the other direction or whatever the whatever the fucked up thing is or whatever the case is.

00:34:21.49
Mike
Yes.

00:34:25.16
Mike
Mm-hmm

00:34:27.12
Bill
And, you know.

00:34:27.10
Mike
Yeah.

00:34:28.46
Bill
I know we learned that lesson a long time ago, but what a what a great reading to bring all that shit back up to the to the surface.

00:34:33.85
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:34:34.25
Bill
I mean, seriously, Mike, I think that was a... I think it was great.

00:34:36.71
Mike
fifty Yeah. Well, you know, once again, it wasn't me. It was Bill Wilson.

00:34:41.73
Bill
no I know. But I'm just saying, you picked you picked the reading, so i mean that that in and of itself, and I think it's just...

00:34:45.52
Mike
Yeah.

00:34:47.34
Bill
a I don't know why, it just seems...

00:34:48.64
Mike
Or did it pick me?

00:34:48.80
Bill
it seems Yeah.

00:34:50.57
Mike
Hehehehe.

00:34:53.13
Bill
Probably, yes. The universe, ooh.

00:34:54.14
Mike
Right. Mmm. Ooh, ooh, ooh.

00:34:56.90
Bill
yeah You know what? whatever whatever the Whatever the deal was, then it's that's all that was all fucking good.

00:35:01.27
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:35:03.51
Bill
so

00:35:03.96
Mike
Yes.

00:35:04.71
Bill
Very good. So what else? what else anything Anything else that jumped out at you in the in said reading?

00:35:10.64
Mike
no i think i you know right don't wallow in your shit don't take you know don't bog yourself down with oh i can't i you know no you just fucking do it man Just, you know, be Michael Jordan and do it.

00:35:19.30
Bill
hey

00:35:22.25
Bill
Right.

00:35:26.08
Bill
Right?

00:35:26.93
Mike
Yeah.

00:35:27.19
Bill
Okay. Cool. All right, so... um Yeah, the just real quick and about about stuff that kind of went on this week. And again, you know these are these are all you know kind of tests and testaments of... ah I didn't even know what they are.

00:35:39.64
Bill
it's just i was I was stressed out over the last couple of weeks.

00:35:40.17
Mike
Mm.

00:35:42.18
Bill
You know, you figure...

00:35:43.04
Mike
uh-huh

00:35:43.62
Bill
Last last week, um you know it was the cold. I mean i missed time from from work because of that. you know Again, out of my control.

00:35:48.92
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:35:49.40
Bill
I couldn't fucking talk. I couldn't do anything.

00:35:51.42
Mike
Right.

00:35:51.84
Bill
you know So I missed a little bit of time there. and then Oh, the air conditioning went out of Kathy's house.

00:35:56.90
Mike
Mmm.

00:35:57.09
Bill
you know So that went down. I can't remember now what day that went down. Sunday, Monday, whatever the case was.

00:36:01.38
Mike
Really?

00:36:01.91
Bill
it's either Yeah, she's either going to get... she's She may even have made a decision at this point. it was I mean, the power went out after that, so nobody could have done anything anyhow.

00:36:07.13
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:36:09.59
Mike
Right.

00:36:10.03
Bill
but But it was just the the blower the blower fan on the unit went out. so you know the the short story is they're like oh you could just do this or you could just replace this whole thing and she was just kind of vacillating on what to do so one way or the other it It should be fixed maybe by the time you get there.

00:36:19.45
Mike
Right. Right.

00:36:24.49
Mike
It better be. Yeah, I was going to say. Bye.

00:36:28.28
Bill
Next next one by Wednesday or, yeah.

00:36:29.71
Mike
Yeah, yeah have two weeks, yeah.

00:36:30.59
Bill
No, next week. Next week, Wednesday, yeah.

00:36:31.34
Mike
Yeah, the following, yes, two two Wednesdays from now, it better be fucking working.

00:36:36.62
Bill
Well, and here's the thing is that that she can't she doesn't want to deal with it.

00:36:39.14
Mike
Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh.

00:36:39.71
Bill
I know that much, and I know that the dogs can't. Tugger can't handle that.

00:36:42.51
Mike
what Yeah, right.

00:36:42.72
Bill
heat he was you know He kind of gets sick from it. so But so so that happens. So that's one thing. it's It's warm enough, you know, sometimes in that room, just you and I were talking about it, the way the sun hits it, blah, blah, blah.

00:36:51.12
Mike
Mhm. Right.

00:36:52.80
Bill
And then, you know, oh, yeah, take the air out and it was hot outside. It was just, it was. It was like, you know.

00:36:56.81
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:36:56.84
Bill
Fucking 85 degrees, almost, you know, 88 degrees, whatever in there.

00:36:58.82
Mike
Yeah.

00:37:00.07
Bill
in That's what I was talking about, kind of being and what I said before about being indoors. you know but but it Again, it it it is what it is.

00:37:03.76
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:37:06.29
Bill
you know It just kind of is what it is.

00:37:06.74
Mike
Sure.

00:37:08.33
Bill
So then then on Tuesday, you know, this storm's rolling through, and it's really fucking bad.

00:37:12.20
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:37:11.87
Bill
You're looking outside, and you're like, God, it's just, you know, crazy wind. Crazy rain. Kathy was going to go down to... West Lafayette.

00:37:19.59
Mike
Mhm.

00:37:19.72
Bill
of Something that's where her... where the credit union she works for is based out of they had this whole thing going on and she ended up she heard the tornado warnings blah blah blah and turned it around and came back and then ended up going back that night she went down to have uh dinner with Kylie and Mike, you know, so she ended up going there anyhow and ended up staying the night.

00:37:24.31
Mike
Okay.

00:37:29.32
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:37:34.10
Mike
Mhm.

00:37:36.52
Bill
She's like, oh, there's air conditioning.

00:37:38.17
Mike
Hey.

00:37:39.40
Bill
And she's like, in power. And I'm like, yeah, okay. Have have a great time, you know?

00:37:41.15
Mike
yeah You're on your own, motherfucker.

00:37:42.93
Bill
okay Yeah, and it's like, well, what what am I going to do? You know, I mean, I can't do anything.

00:37:48.24
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:37:49.27
Bill
So, you know, Tuesday, it's 1130 on Tuesday and the power goes out. And then, you know, their estimates at one point literally were Sunday that the power is going to be back up.

00:37:56.56
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:37:57.36
Bill
And um Kathy's friend, Cheryl, you know, Cheryl.

00:37:57.65
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:38:00.44
Mike
Yeah.

00:38:00.99
Bill
um She knows somebody at in Nipsco, which is the electric company and bla bla blah, blah, blah.

00:38:04.70
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:38:05.66
Bill
They were estimating that there was like 300 ,000 people. without

00:38:08.96
Mike
Yeah. ah

00:38:10.07
Bill
And and there she that's where Kathy heard the potential of um of Sunday you know i'm coming back.

00:38:14.65
Mike
who

00:38:16.21
Bill
So on Tuesday, I was driving around im so i'm like i'm just gonna go i'm gonna go get a i get a cup of coffee do whatever blah blah blah and um you know so i'm Literally everywhere I go up to, I mean, the entire...

00:38:23.71
Mike
Yeah. Right.

00:38:29.64
Bill
That whole area. I mean, everywhere up to from Route 6, you know, where you get off, you know, up in Route 6.

00:38:32.93
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

00:38:35.00
Bill
All the way down to um like Walmart and stuff like that. ah Fucking powers out like everywhere, you know?

00:38:38.20
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. Right.

00:38:40.30
Bill
Because i'm I'm just trying to find a gas station to get a cup of goddamn coffee, you know?

00:38:43.50
Mike
Yeah.

00:38:44.17
Bill
So I end up going um this. south of there not too far it's like 15 minutes away from the house theoretically from where i started or from where the house is but there's a expo center down there and a family or express right on the edge of town.

00:38:58.49
Bill
They had power. They had gas. People lined up fucking everywhere to get gas and all that shit.

00:39:01.40
Mike
Sure.

00:39:02.94
Bill
you know So that's where I went that day, and I just sat there for a little while, grabbed some coffee, and I'm just you know kind of just hanging out. and I'm figuring, okay, whatever, at least you know I...

00:39:09.77
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:39:12.04
Bill
Just get someplace other than just sitting in the I'm sitting in my car at least in the air conditioning and charging my phone and whatever so

00:39:15.49
Mike
Right Right. Uh huh. Right.

00:39:19.11
Bill
So then, you know, get up get up Wednesday. There's still no fucking power. So I'm like... I drove out to that gas station. And I ended up, I grabbed coffee. I sat in my car and I did my readings, you know, in that same gas station.

00:39:28.03
Mike
Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Right?

00:39:30.49
Bill
So I'm like, I'm like, I was about to do my readings before I left. I'm like, no, no, no. I'm going to go down there. I'm going to go get some fucking coffee and I'm going to sit and do my readings.

00:39:36.02
Mike
Uh huh.

00:39:37.26
Bill
So I did.

00:39:37.93
Mike
Right.

00:39:38.71
Bill
And then I'm like, I just, I. I, there's no, no, still no fucking power anywhere.

00:39:43.85
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:39:44.08
Bill
So I'm like, I can't, you know, I'm thinking of this thing tonight. I'm thinking of work. I'm thinking I already missed time.

00:39:48.51
Mike
right

00:39:48.51
Bill
I'm already, I'm already ah a full day, you know, or a half a day. And I'm going to be out this full day one way or the other, you know, on Wednesday. So I'm like, fuck it. So I found this Airbnb. And that's um as I was hinting to everyone before I'm in Indianapolis right now, you know, two and a half hours south of where we're.

00:40:02.29
Mike
Uh-huh. The crown jewel of the Midwest.

00:40:06.12
Bill
And you know what? this This place that I'm in, and I'm serious, if this house, and I'm not shitting you, so between your, if you just took literally your your bathroom.

00:40:11.61
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:40:16.99
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:40:17.47
Bill
you're diet Well, what's whatever your what what's the room right outside of your bathroom? the front It's not a dining room.

00:40:22.29
Mike
Yeah.

00:40:22.76
Bill
Where is it? Living room?

00:40:23.48
Mike
no no no dining was off that's i i call it the library but it's yeah

00:40:27.66
Bill
Okay, so the library. Okay, so bathroom, library, dining room, and kitchen.

00:40:28.91
Mike
Yeah.

00:40:31.53
Bill
That's how big this house that's how big this house is.

00:40:32.01
Mike
Yeah. Yeah, right. I saw the pictures.

00:40:35.09
Bill
Yeah, and it's it's fine. you know but the problem is i didn't i'm thinking i'm um I get in here and I'm like, where the fuck am I going to put my work desk, you know?

00:40:36.65
Mike
Yeah.

00:40:42.24
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:40:43.11
Bill
So what I did, I put it, and it's kind of like, it's technically in in the middle of the, it's in the way of the door. I have to move the desk a little bit if I if i want to open the door to get outside.

00:40:50.99
Mike
Hehehehehehe.

00:40:51.41
Bill
um But everything's here. The cable's here and whatever and everything everything worked. there It's all functional. It's fucking fine. You know?

00:40:57.13
Mike
Sure.

00:40:57.71
Bill
um But I figure, you know, just get here for get here for a couple of days, and then I had already planned on going down to Nashville, and as I'll explain that in a minute.

00:41:05.89
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:41:06.05
Bill
And then we're going to be out in Austin, obviously, for the awards ceremony, but I had planned on being down there for two weeks.

00:41:10.08
Mike
Yes we are. Mm hmm.

00:41:12.60
Bill
So as of next weekend, not this weekend, but next week on the 22nd, I'm driving out to Texas, okay?

00:41:16.81
Mike
Uh huh. Right. Okay.

00:41:19.30
Bill
So, and, um you know, the the whole point there is it just, I've been hinting about this for for a number of months. I'm not going to spend a lot of time explaining it. I'll i'll end up flooding our our Instagram feed with it over time anyhow.

00:41:30.05
Bill
So if anyone is listening or whatever, you'll hear plenty about it.

00:41:30.62
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:41:33.25
Bill
so Kathy and I, which is Kathy is our sister and I.

00:41:36.42
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:41:37.43
Bill
had Had talked about this for a long time. We were both looking for something kind of from a retirement standpoint. um I despise my job and I want to get out of it.

00:41:42.86
Mike
ahha

00:41:45.94
Bill
And I've done all this traveling through Airbnb.

00:41:45.76
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:41:47.74
Bill
I know what I'm doing as a traveler. So I'm like. i I think I know what I'm doing as a host because I know what people want because I know what I want. I've been in plenty of properties.

00:41:54.89
Mike
Right.

00:41:56.51
Bill
So.

00:41:56.28
Mike
Yep.

00:41:56.77
Bill
So Kathy and I started talking about it. We started doing the research. And that's what we're going to do. We're actually launching an Airbnb hosting business. It's a lot of fucking work. It's a lot of research. There's licensing.

00:42:07.11
Bill
There's permitting. There's a lot of things going on. But things are starting to kind of fall into place a little bit.

00:42:12.11
Mike
mm-hmm

00:42:12.29
Bill
And that's why. I figured that one way or the other, I wanted to be out in Austin for a couple of weeks because I thought at that point, at the time that I booked that Airbnb, which was, you know, I'm thinking that, OK, because we had already looked at Nashville for a place to to launch this whole thing.

00:42:21.91
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:42:27.89
Bill
So I'm thinking, OK, Nashville is going to be set. Austin would be ah the next one in line since we're going to be there. And it's also ranked high in these lists.

00:42:32.66
Mike
right

00:42:34.19
Bill
So that's why I booked the two weeks, you know, figuring that all that.

00:42:34.12
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:42:37.27
Bill
Well, things didn't line up until like recently so you know we we didn't get anything set yet

00:42:42.40
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:42:42.92
Bill
But that's that's the point. So um you know i'm I'm here doing just work. Nashville, hopefully, i I was referred to a guy by our friend Breeze.

00:42:51.30
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:42:51.22
Bill
Breeze was on our our podcast twice.

00:42:52.28
Mike
Right. Yep.

00:42:54.46
Bill
Breeze is based out of Nashville, although I'm going to miss her while I'm there. She's in Australia until the second week or first week of September, so I won't see her.

00:43:01.99
Mike
Cool.

00:43:02.77
Bill
But at some point, i I'll be able to get our get to meet our friend Breeze.

00:43:06.16
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:43:06.36
Bill
um But so she referred me to a realtor. This guy knows everything that we're doing as far as the Airbnb stuff, the short-term rentals.

00:43:14.09
Mike
Right?

00:43:14.02
Bill
Couldn't have gotten a better referral. you know so So that's in place.

00:43:15.59
Mike
Cool.

00:43:17.06
Bill
A couple of struggles and challenges we got working on in both places, but you know all said and done, that's kind of what it is. so um yeah for every everyone out there that's what i've been kind of hinting at talking at uh and i don't know it's kind of like again you know throwing my ah shooting our wad into the wind is literally what, you know, what's being done again, you know, and um it, I.

00:43:31.55
Mike
she Yeah.

00:43:37.19
Bill
I've done. I've done so much. So much fucking research.

00:43:41.81
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:43:41.61
Bill
I spent a lot of time, I spent a lot of effort, you know, doing it. I've talked, you know, talking with my sister the entire time. I'm using AI, you know, because the the amount of information that I can compile, you know, with with AI.

00:43:53.46
Mike
right

00:43:54.75
Bill
It's just it's been. it's been invaluable. you know And there's only been one or two things that it's missed, not nothing critical yet, you know that I'm finding out as I start to do the licensing and permitting and stuff like that.

00:44:01.87
Mike
hu

00:44:05.87
Bill
but um

00:44:06.57
Mike
Right?

00:44:07.26
Bill
you know But everything everything else, I mean, all this research, because I talked to this guy. Jason in Nashville, this realtor, last Saturday. I had a phone meeting with him.

00:44:15.93
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:44:17.61
Bill
And. When I kind of ran down everything with him, he didn't say, no, no, no, you got that wrong. A couple of things he added to the conversation, but everything that I've learned by the research I've done has been correct, which is Kind of encouraging.

00:44:22.10
Mike
Right. Mm hmm.

00:44:28.46
Mike
Cool.

00:44:29.23
Bill
you know which

00:44:29.37
Mike
Yeah. Absolutely.

00:44:30.37
Bill
you know, kind of is is what it is. I mean, I get it. You know, like we talked about the AI kind of concerns me on this end, but it's been my. My pal over here. too You know, but again, it is what it is.

00:44:38.93
Mike
He he he he he.

00:44:41.30
Bill
So it's it's exciting, but it's scary.

00:44:41.87
Mike
Yeah.

00:44:43.18
Bill
And, you know, it's it's just, again, one of those things. What the fuck? I mean. you know, I'm. i get And I'm not saying, what do you got to lose? Of course, I know exactly what we have to lose.

00:44:52.45
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:44:52.26
Bill
you know But it's it's money and time. you know But we have – Kathy and I talked about it deeply.

00:44:54.36
Mike
Sure.

00:44:57.19
Bill
if ah you know what if this happens and what if this doesn't happen you know we have contingency plans and how this is and we're not looking at we're not buying property we're renting there's a there's a whole thing with that it's called rental arbitrage which we're getting into and this guy in nashville ah not only knows what it is he does it you know, so.

00:45:00.93
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:45:14.10
Mike
cool

00:45:15.20
Bill
Yeah, I mean, we ended up with ah with an invaluable resource. So, um you know, again.

00:45:18.14
Mike
Right, yeah, imagine that. You found somebody in the room saying... Pointing you in the right direction.

00:45:24.55
Bill
Right? Yeah, and that's i mean and that's what when i what I thought about.

00:45:25.17
Mike
Yep.

00:45:27.38
Bill
and I texted Breeze yesterday, and I told her, I said, i just I need to thank you. And she's like, I'm so happy for you.

00:45:32.14
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:45:33.22
Bill
and then you know i'm like it's you know we still got a lot of work to do but i said i i couldn't have i couldn't have i couldn't have you know, prayed for, made up, that designed, drew up, um you know, anything better than than this guy.

00:45:41.62
Mike
Right. Uh huh. Yup.

00:45:46.24
Bill
And he got me some information today. The the inventory is a little light and in Nashville based on what we're looking at, so we're going to have to look.

00:45:51.85
Mike
m

00:45:53.07
Bill
Kind of expand a little bit on what we're looking at.

00:45:54.49
Mike
Sure.

00:45:54.70
Bill
But I don't know. We've got the right guy in place is my point, you know.

00:45:58.11
Mike
Cool. cole Nice.

00:45:59.42
Bill
And then Austin, I checked with our friend Erica. She gave me realtor two realtors. One lady fucking blew me off right away.

00:46:03.95
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:46:05.36
Bill
The other one won't get back to me. So I'm like, oh.

00:46:07.20
Mike
Yeah.

00:46:08.30
Bill
Yeah. But, um you know, so I guess I got to get more resourceful and in Austin.

00:46:08.05
Mike
Yeah. Right.

00:46:11.57
Bill
But um there there are two prime areas that that we could do this in.

00:46:12.10
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:46:15.71
Bill
so um

00:46:16.05
Mike
Yeah.

00:46:17.39
Bill
I don't know. I mean, it to kind of is what it is. that Again, like I said a minute ago, it's exciting and it's scary.

00:46:19.59
Mike
Eh?

00:46:22.54
Bill
but

00:46:22.70
Mike
Uh huh.

00:46:23.45
Bill
yeah I mean, that that all the numbers work and everything everything seems logical. It's just everything's got to... like anything else is going to fall into place.

00:46:28.40
Mike
Yeah.

00:46:30.00
Bill
so

00:46:30.06
Mike
Right. yeah Cool.

00:46:31.31
Bill
But anyhow, so yeah, every everyone, you're going to end up here. in Probably more about that than than you want to, but you know over over time, and mean we'll we'll use we're going to use our you know this Sober Not Mature Network the same way as I've done it in my book and everything else that that we've done.

00:46:37.58
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:46:47.35
Mike
Yep.

00:46:47.86
Bill
if we well I mean, this is our this is our vehicle, this this fucking thing that we're doing here.

00:46:52.58
Mike
Right?

00:46:53.57
Bill
It turns out to be the... the the biggest non-money-making thing on the planet

00:46:57.97
Mike
He he he he he he he.

00:46:59.27
Bill
you know, is is our vehicle for everything else that could make us money. so You know?

00:47:02.49
Mike
Yep.

00:47:03.84
Bill
Ha ha.

00:47:04.44
Mike
Hey.

00:47:05.68
Bill
But anyhow, anyhow so that's that's that's it for that. we'll We'll hear more about it later. But what what do you think?

00:47:10.06
Mike
uh-huh

00:47:10.75
Bill
What do you think, Mike?

00:47:10.99
Mike
Yeah.

00:47:11.15
Bill
Are we we at a point?

00:47:11.18
Mike
I think. I think we are at a point. Well, we'll be back with more putting one foot in front of the other right after these words from our sponsors.

00:47:14.33
Bill
Okay.

00:47:28.16
Bill
Alright everyone, welcome back. I'm just really happy to have my voice back already.

00:47:33.75
Mike
Hehehehehehehehehehe.

00:47:35.24
Bill
I never thought that being so fucking stupid and corny, would I would actually miss it, you know?

00:47:40.04
Mike
Mmm. Right.

00:47:42.62
Bill
And you're like, oh, yes.

00:47:45.45
Mike
Yes.

00:47:46.29
Bill
Okay, two two things. um So ah Joey Pants, I told you I was listening to that that that book.

00:47:47.62
Mike
Yeah.

00:47:50.38
Mike
Aha.

00:47:51.60
Bill
So this is kind of funny because this happened to both of you and I and we talked about it. but um And he still hasn't gotten to the point where when he got sober, but he's talking a little bit more about you know kind of leading up to that point.

00:48:01.88
Bill
but

00:48:01.74
Mike
h

00:48:02.42
Bill
He said he woke up one night in a blackout pissed on his nightstand.

00:48:06.31
Mike
Nice.

00:48:08.06
Bill
And I'm like, well, I pissed in a drawer. You pissed in John Stamos' old closet.

00:48:13.70
Mike
Right?

00:48:15.93
Bill
Hmm. just still think that's so funny and i i get i get it it wasn't his closet at the time

00:48:20.29
Mike
Yeah. No.

00:48:21.28
Bill
It's just a package. You were in an apartment that used to belong to John Stable. She pissed in the closet.

00:48:26.60
Mike
Yep. I did.

00:48:28.85
Bill
It's fucking hilarious.

00:48:30.84
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:48:31.05
Bill
and then um I was listening to, and I know you like Jim Norton. um so he was on this was He was on Rogan a while ago.

00:48:35.09
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:48:38.42
Bill
I started listening to it, then I lost track of the episode whenever it was a few months ago.

00:48:42.35
Mike
Uh huh.

00:48:42.77
Bill
So I found it again, and I was listening to it, and i just this this line. i I couldn't stop laughing. He's fun to listen to. He's not... Well, let me step back a little bit. and I've said this before about the the way that that podcast is set up.

00:48:52.77
Mike
e

00:48:55.66
Bill
and

00:48:55.98
Mike
Yeah.

00:48:56.50
Bill
I truly... One of the reasons that I that i ah enjoy the podcast, and and I mean this seriously, we're at no no I'm not trying to say we're at any level that Joe Rogan is. and you know popularity or anything like that, but the conversations that he has, although way different subjects than what we're talking about.

00:49:05.54
Mike
yeah

00:49:13.11
Mike
e

00:49:13.56
Bill
are kind of structured the same way he just has somebody on and they just talk you know and even even mark you know marin i mean he had that kind of thing but his his top his His podcast so was a little bit more structured as far as he was moving people along through what he wanted to talk about, which...

00:49:16.73
Mike
Right.

00:49:19.40
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:49:27.01
Mike
Yeah. Right.

00:49:29.39
Bill
I'm not you know faulting him for that. There's a huge difference between him and Rogan and anyone else.

00:49:31.14
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:49:34.08
Bill
But I think that's part of what what it attracts me to that podcast is the fact that it...

00:49:33.86
Mike
Right.

00:49:37.69
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:49:38.66
Bill
It's kind of like He has conversations kind of just off the cuff like we do. so

00:49:42.59
Mike
Okay.

00:49:43.79
Bill
When he's talking to a guy like you know Jim Norton, Jim Norton's not up there being Jim Norton all the time. you know He's just being a guy.

00:49:48.12
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:49:49.32
Bill
But every once in a while...

00:49:49.87
Mike
Right?

00:49:50.41
Bill
that The Jim Norton that you see on stage and is fucking ridiculous and crude and all those different things come out.

00:49:53.04
Mike
Yeah.

00:49:55.95
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:49:56.57
Bill
in this This was one of them. Joe's talking about this comedian. I think this comedian went, he was talking about comedians going somewhere over um overseas, Saudi Arabia maybe.

00:50:08.46
Bill
um

00:50:08.61
Mike
Yeah.

00:50:09.54
Bill
that um some of these billionaires over there will you know call them like comedians or prostitutes or whatever and that's i mean for the sole purpose they just want to like shit on them that's what these guys do i mean literally like shit on them you know

00:50:15.85
Mike
Hehehehe.

00:50:19.26
Mike
Uh-huh. Yeah. Sure.

00:50:22.18
Bill
And they'll pay him like $500 ,000. These women have come over just to get shit on.

00:50:25.82
Mike
Yep.

00:50:25.96
Bill
And so... So Rogan's talking about it. He goes, yeah. He goes, this comedian, whoever it was, he goes, he used to have a bit about that, that he used to do this joke about you know shitting on hookers.

00:50:31.03
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:50:35.62
Bill
And Jim jim Norton says, he's like he's like, oh, my God, my life. And that was it. They just, they both laughed and they do they went on with whatever they were talking about.

00:50:41.86
Mike
y 'all

00:50:44.48
Bill
But fucking Norton's just like, oh my God, my my life.

00:50:44.68
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:50:47.67
Mike
Yep.

00:50:48.66
Bill
And I'm like, Jesus Christ. Because, yeah, I mean, I've i've watched plenty of his specials and stuff like that.

00:50:52.90
Mike
Oh yeah.

00:50:53.14
Bill
so All right, so I'm going to bring this up for for maybe one reason. Well, I don't know. I'm going to bring it up either way. but um ah I'm sure you can't, unless you've been living under a fucking stone. Everyone I think has heard that. Brad Pitt started drinking again.

00:51:07.12
Mike
Yes.

00:51:07.98
Bill
Okay. So.

00:51:09.39
Mike
Yeah, even I, even I heard that.

00:51:11.09
Bill
Yeah. Well, and and that's – I don't know how anyone could not.

00:51:11.79
Mike
did

00:51:14.51
Bill
It's like everywhere type of thing.

00:51:14.87
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:51:15.73
Bill
But, okay, well, let me stop there.

00:51:16.11
Mike
Right.

00:51:17.28
Bill
I'm not going to give any any thoughts or anything like that.

00:51:19.40
Mike
Mm-mm.

00:51:19.38
Bill
So when you first read that, did you have any opinions on it whatsoever?

00:51:21.56
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:51:23.01
Bill
70 years sobriety, and now he started drinking again.

00:51:25.27
Mike
Right. oh yeah That's his fucking business.

00:51:28.53
Bill
Right.

00:51:28.89
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. Right. That's got nothing to do with me. um Yeah, you know, it's... Maybe he can. Maybe he's not an alcoholic. I don't know. it's none of my Again, none of my business. um I don't know.

00:51:43.10
Mike
you know Yeah. We'll find out, you know, because he's fucking famous. So he if he, speaking of shitting, if he shits the bed in a big way, we'll find out.

00:51:50.74
Bill
Right.

00:51:53.40
Mike
And if he doesn't, then maybe he's not one of us. You know, maybe he just, you know, took a break like a normal fucking person or, you know, now he's drinking again and he can do that like a normal person.

00:51:56.44
Bill
Right.

00:52:02.97
Mike
I don't know.

00:52:03.35
Bill
Right.

00:52:03.97
Mike
I don't know the guy.

00:52:04.01
Bill
Right. Right. So, you know, I'm just going to be sarcastic, because so you you don't know Brad Pitt.

00:52:09.90
Mike
Meh, meh, meh, I don't.

00:52:09.76
Bill
i Well, and you know, the the first thing when i when I saw it, and I saw his picture, you know, I'm scrolling through social media, and two, three times, I mean, over over a day's days's time, I saw his.

00:52:17.87
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:52:22.45
Bill
his picture and didn't pay attention to him. In a general sense, I mean i like Brad Pitt as an actor. I like him in a lot of his movies.

00:52:27.23
Mike
Sure.

00:52:28.73
Bill
I think he's funny. He's great in a lot of different movies.

00:52:31.19
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:52:31.29
Bill
um Burn After Reading was one of the best fucking ones. If if anyone hasn't seen that movie, it's fucking...

00:52:34.61
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:52:37.53
Bill
George Clooney, Brad Pitt, the chick from...

00:52:38.46
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:52:40.32
Bill
ah ah Fargo's in there. other people It's just is fucking hilarious. um John Malkovich is in it. It's fucking great. okay But. I didn't even, I didn't stop on him to read whatever.

00:52:51.92
Bill
It's just some, whatever, you know?

00:52:52.26
Mike
Right.

00:52:53.13
Bill
And then finally I saw that it's like, Oh, after seven years, he started drinking.

00:52:53.34
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:52:56.58
Bill
I'm like, I'm like, Oh really? I'm like, Hmm.

00:52:58.28
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:52:58.80
Bill
Like, well, what that's interesting. And then the first thing I thought about, well, two thoughts I had. I'm like, well, I guess we'll see how this works out for him.

00:53:04.32
Mike
Yep. Yep.

00:53:05.24
Bill
So that was number one. And then number two was, I'm like, I wonder if. Um, you know so I mean, everyone's making it. Then I start to... you know your eyeballs start to see all the things that... Bradley Cooper's worried about him.

00:53:17.42
Bill
Angelina Jolie's worried about him.

00:53:18.31
Mike
Hmm. and i see i have god I saw the headline and went, oh, okay, and moved on.

00:53:18.96
Bill
All these people.

00:53:23.68
Bill
It... And all of these other things are the headlines. You know, these are all headlines, you know.

00:53:26.74
Mike
Yeah. Yeah, I haven't seen any of that.

00:53:27.59
Bill
so Well, and the problem is is that I stopped on it too long. you know i didn't I didn't read the article, but I stopped on it too long.

00:53:32.24
Mike
Right.

00:53:35.36
Bill
Then they're like, okay, we're going to feed this fucker more of this shit.

00:53:35.26
Mike
Uh huh.

00:53:37.35
Bill
Now I get it all over the place.

00:53:37.95
Mike
Uh huh. Right.

00:53:39.59
Bill
So but then the other thing I thought about, so you and I have experienced at least. three people that I know of.

00:53:47.12
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:53:47.54
Bill
um Our buddy Pete. To begin with.

00:53:49.03
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:53:49.88
Bill
Our buddy, Tom.

00:53:51.40
Mike
Yep.

00:53:51.95
Bill
which i I haven't seen Tom on Facebook in a while. I hope everything i hope he's okay.

00:53:55.23
Mike
Meh.

00:53:55.85
Bill
I haven't seen anything about him in a while.

00:53:55.73
Mike
Right?

00:53:57.54
Bill
um I know you saw Pete a handful of years ago, but you know Pete was doing Pete things at that point.

00:54:00.51
Mike
Hmm.

00:54:02.81
Bill
and then um

00:54:02.59
Mike
Sure.

00:54:04.12
Bill
Who's the one, one of the... one of the girls did Right? Went back to drinking?

00:54:07.16
Mike
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Boom.

00:54:08.79
Bill
Yeah, okay. Okay. So yeah, I couldn't remember who was So i know we know three people in general and that have that, like our our buddy Pete just...

00:54:11.42
Mike
Mm-hmm

00:54:16.17
Bill
I don't know if anyone, we've told this story before, but the the bottom line is it's really, really easy.

00:54:18.57
Mike
Mhm.

00:54:20.13
Bill
Pete was a... um A high-level executive at a company, making a lot of fucking money, married, kids, had the whole had the whole dream job type of thing, traveling all over the place, but liked to smoke weed.

00:54:23.55
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:54:28.40
Mike
Yep. Hmm?

00:54:31.14
Bill
Right, Mike?

00:54:31.86
Mike
Yep.

00:54:31.53
Bill
Right so far?

00:54:32.72
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:54:32.71
Bill
okay and then his company started either was going to or or started testing um obviously for for weed and so he decided to go from weed to cocaine correct

00:54:38.98
Mike
Yeah.

00:54:42.40
Mike
Yes, yes.

00:54:43.50
Bill
And then at that point...

00:54:42.93
Mike
They decided he'd smoke some crack on the weekends.

00:54:45.97
Bill
Yeah, and then he he made... He made his own crack.

00:54:48.95
Mike
she

00:54:49.94
Bill
so yeah So he manufactured his his own crack, and then he's like, well, I'm going to do that instead.

00:54:49.95
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

00:54:54.98
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:54:55.32
Bill
So. That... Just that part of it seems a little like weird. I mean, especially if you know him, he's highly intelligent, great guy, whatever, laid back.

00:55:02.24
Mike
Right. Yep. Mm-hmm

00:55:04.30
Bill
up I'm going to quit smoking weed, but now I'm going to end up crack.

00:55:06.53
Mike
Right. Well, yeah, no, because most his company was drug testing and and and weed stays in your system for like 30 days as opposed to.

00:55:07.91
Bill
yeah

00:55:10.73
Bill
for Right.

00:55:15.95
Mike
cocaine which stays in for a couple of days so he was all right so well i still want to party but i'm you know i can't do the weed anymore because it stays in me for too long so i'll just i'll just do the coke and in the crack and and it'll be out of my system in a couple days and i'll be fine

00:55:18.30
Bill
Right.

00:55:25.08
Bill
Right.

00:55:31.85
Mike
Yep.

00:55:32.32
Bill
I know, it's just, it's just, it's the the thought, I mean, that the that it...

00:55:32.72
Mike
sort

00:55:36.37
Bill
Again, everyone out there, it's just one of the many stories and friends of friends of ours that this was logical to Pete at the time.

00:55:39.72
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:55:42.30
Mike
Sure.

00:55:43.01
Bill
you know and up

00:55:43.14
Mike
That makes sense to me.

00:55:44.83
Bill
I get it too, and it probably would have made perfect sense to me also.

00:55:46.47
Mike
Hehehehehehe.

00:55:47.60
Bill
Why why wouldn't it? you know But then what happened was is um ah Pete lost everything. You know, I mean, it just it it caught it caught him and got on his back.

00:55:52.62
Mike
Yeah. Right. Yeah.

00:55:55.40
Bill
And, you know, just he fucking lost everything.

00:55:55.96
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:55:57.57
Bill
And he ended up at the same time that we were in the Keating Center. So was he.

00:56:01.11
Mike
Right.

00:56:01.38
Bill
So at the time, if I remember correctly, that all this stuff was happening, he was just a casual drinker, but he drank every once in a while more. was the the weed and then obviously the crack and blah, blah, blah.

00:56:07.45
Mike
Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah.

00:56:10.49
Bill
So all said and done after the fact, I think you saw him. before I don't remember. I may have seen him once.

00:56:16.12
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:56:16.41
Bill
But I remember, I think you saw him and then he had... I don't want to say fessed up, but it came up in conversation that he was drinking again.

00:56:20.73
Mike
Yeah. Sure. Meh.

00:56:22.22
Bill
And he goes, yeah, he just found out that that that wasn't his problem, and he has a few beers here and there, and he's fine.

00:56:25.75
Mike
Mm hmm. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

00:56:28.87
Bill
And, you know, same thing, our our buddy Tom, after I think I was in Madison at the time.

00:56:33.17
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:56:33.31
Bill
So whenever we were four or five years sober and he had mentioned that he I don't think he made it past. I don't want to say made it past. He ended up with four years or whatever of sobriety.

00:56:40.64
Mike
Yeah. Mhm. mm-hmm

00:56:43.97
Bill
And then was, I think, in Florida with his family and friends, whatever, and you know drank down there.

00:56:46.78
Mike
Right?

00:56:48.24
Bill
And then it sounded like he was keeping his shit together.

00:56:48.83
Mike
Mm hmm. Yup.

00:56:50.62
Bill
you know And that same thing, like you said, with Bo.

00:56:54.29
Mike
Yeah.

00:56:54.75
Bill
you know But my understanding, and i you're the one that heard it or or know of it more than me, but same same deal with her, right?

00:56:58.38
Mike
Mm hmm. Yeah, yeah, pretty much right. I mean, you know, just everybody that, you know, shows up at the Keating Center or rehab or whatever, comes into the rooms, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:57:09.18
Mike
um They're not all alcoholics.

00:57:11.30
Bill
Right.

00:57:11.40
Mike
You know, they're not. They're heavy drinkers and and whatever. and yeah whatever they you know they developed a problem um you know and the substance was part of it but you know, whatever they solved, whatever problem that. Choo.

00:57:25.72
Mike
led them to being out of control with the substance and whatever. And um they solved that problem. and bacon. Drink like a normal person. It happens.

00:57:36.38
Bill
Right.

00:57:36.52
Mike
you know um You know, i'm clearly, not us. ah You know, I mean, you're...

00:57:42.08
Bill
Yeah.

00:57:44.03
Mike
you're the weirdo that got it on the first try but i mean you know i i was you know I was in and out for a while. quite a while several years um before i went back out for 10 years and then it came back but yeah you know i proved to myself um literally proved to myself that i can't drink like a normal person um you know tried tried to tried Um,

00:58:06.57
Mike
yeah so you know that's it's not an issue with me but there are people that that do you know they whatever, solve the underlying problem that was. making their life out of control.

00:58:18.77
Mike
And, you know, cause I mean, you know, the big book says, you know, alcohol is just a symptom, you know, heroin and crack and all that other shit is just a symptom of whatever the underlying problem is.

00:58:30.19
Mike
um I'm thoroughly convinced that I. Also, on top of having the problems that drove me to it, whatever, I'm also a true alcoholic i have you know the allergy that they describe in the book i'm i'm bodily and mentally different than my fellows.

00:58:48.30
Mike
Um,

00:58:48.34
Bill
Right.

00:58:49.08
Mike
you know yeah you know it's just whatever it reacts differently with me i have that the obsession and the in you know i don't have the obsession anymore but i i'm very capable of having the obsession um Yeah, you know, that's that's me. and i Sure, that's you.

00:59:05.48
Mike
um But yeah, it's not everyone.

00:59:05.85
Bill
Right.

00:59:08.34
Mike
And certainly can't judge. And I mean, you know, um these people have proven, you know, Tom and Pete and Bo and lots and lots of other people, you know, they they go through a ah period of sobriety where they're. they're clean and sober and whatever. and And they go back and they they have a little substance, whatever that substance is, and they're fine.

00:59:30.84
Bill
Right.

00:59:31.35
Mike
You know, God bless them. you know wish it was me i wish it was me but it ain't so fucking a man i'm not gonna look down on them i'm not gonna i'm not gonna raise them up and go wow wow i i wish and yeah you know they're better than i am no they're just different.

00:59:33.47
Bill
Right?

00:59:47.74
Bill
Exactly.

00:59:48.46
Mike
Yeah.

00:59:49.53
Bill
Yeah, and you know, the the thing of it is, is that, and and yes, I mean, this is my, I never tried to get sober. I never, I was too stupid and too delusional to think I to think i ever had a problem to even try to quit, you know, and whatever whatever that is, it is.

00:59:56.81
Mike
Hehehehe. Right. Right?

01:00:02.60
Bill
And, you know, again, to to this day, um I haven't relapsed yet, you know, but. the The thing that is, is that like everything that you just said. I believe you. You know, like our like our sponsor Joe says, I believe you.

01:00:12.41
Mike
Mm hmm. Yeah.

01:00:14.50
Bill
And and i believe I believe me, even though I haven't tested it yet.

01:00:15.09
Mike
Right.

01:00:17.76
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:00:18.94
Bill
Because um I've heard the stories.

01:00:19.11
Mike
Right.

01:00:20.70
Bill
I've seen the stories.

01:00:21.82
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:00:22.01
Bill
I've watched people that are... that you know drank like me and acted like me and did everything like I did.

01:00:25.70
Mike
Mm hmm. Right?

01:00:28.01
Bill
And who am I to think that I might be different? i mean granted who am i to think that i might be different i mean i i could easily think that but once i got

01:00:30.90
Mike
Right. Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

01:00:38.04
Bill
you know my ah my head out of my ass that popped and did all those different things and we got some knowledge behind us and you know had a ah few years behind us and i listened to enough stories and and all those sort of things

01:00:40.21
Mike
Mm hmm. see Yeah.

01:00:47.66
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:00:49.24
Bill
I don't know how long it took me to to really come to that realization that, okay, that i i believe I believe all the stories now. I believe everything, everything that I've seen.

01:00:56.83
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:00:58.43
Bill
I don't need to do the research. because it's been done for me, you know?

01:01:00.70
Mike
Right. Yes it has.

01:01:03.44
Bill
You know, and i don't i don't need I don't need to walk in front of a train to realize that it's probably going to kill me either, you know.

01:01:08.56
Mike
Yep.

01:01:09.35
Bill
I don't need to to take this thing, whatever it is, you know, eat something or whatever they whatever the thing is.

01:01:12.30
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:01:14.83
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:01:15.04
Bill
I don't need to have this thing to realize that, yeah you know what, that's probably not a good thing for me. you know

01:01:20.43
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

01:01:21.68
Bill
um so So back to the whole Brad Pitt thing.

01:01:24.07
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:01:24.07
Bill
is that the The problem that that I've seen so far on on social media, and I'm going to cast a wide...

01:01:28.58
Mike
Hmm.

01:01:30.100
Bill
Well, okay.

01:01:31.15
Mike
ah Only one?

01:01:32.74
Bill
with With this particular instance, there's a ton of them.

01:01:32.57
Mike
Hehehehehehehehe.

01:01:35.97
Bill
And yes, you yeah you were you were very, very, not only right, but justified to laugh at me when I said the one problem on social media.

01:01:36.52
Mike
Yep.

01:01:40.71
Mike
Yeah. Uh huh. uh-huh

01:01:43.32
Bill
okay so with this particular instance specifically to brad pitt the the issue that i've seen is that

01:01:45.71
Mike
Yes. Mm hmm.

01:01:50.66
Bill
everyone that's taught and i And I'm going to say everyone because every other every other podcast I've heard, every other article I've read, everyone's like, this is so bad because what if people you know it's like what if people follow his lead, this and that.

01:01:53.46
Mike
Mm hmm. Mm-hmm.

01:01:59.67
Mike
but

01:02:03.24
Bill
So then then the other thing I heard, Conor McGregor, did you hear that one?

01:02:03.89
Mike
Uh huh.

01:02:06.92
Mike
No.

01:02:07.05
Bill
i I actually laughed when I heard it.

01:02:08.65
Mike
No.

01:02:08.81
Bill
It says, Conor McGregor announced in August 2026 he's ending his period of sobriety in support of his fellow actor Brad Pitt.

01:02:15.62
Mike
for God.

01:02:17.86
Bill
I know. And I'm like, is this a fucking joke? You know, because I mean, he's a.

01:02:21.20
Mike
Uh huh.

01:02:21.66
Bill
He's kind of a... He's... He's he's a beat head.

01:02:23.64
Mike
It's a nut job.

01:02:24.87
Bill
Yeah, he's a nut job and ah a kind of a meathead and all that stuff to begin with.

01:02:27.46
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:02:27.85
Bill
so So whatever. I mean, if he if he did it, but then but then I hear other people are are like, I'm reading this. Again, I didn't listen to it, but I see this thing because then now, again, now I'm getting fed all this stuff because I stopped on this one goddamn thing too long.

01:02:42.29
Bill
And. and i So I see this this guy, you know and he's sober, and he's I'm reading the the subtitles, basically. And he's like,

01:02:49.44
Mike
aha

01:02:50.34
Bill
The problem is, is that he feels that he can do. And I'm like, oh, fuck. And then it's like, well, what if other people think not everyone can do that?

01:02:56.62
Mike
and

01:02:56.96
Bill
You know, I can't do that. um And I'm like, Jesus Christ.

01:02:59.08
Mike
Yeah.

01:03:00.18
Bill
OK, so here here's the real thing. And this is the part that fucking irritated me. And I'm like, we things we talked about for fucking years, you know.

01:03:07.83
Mike
Yeah.

01:03:08.34
Bill
Okay, if you look at Brad fucking Pitt or or Brad fucking Johnson down the road, I don't give i don't give a fuck who you're who you're looking at.

01:03:11.07
Mike
Yeah.

01:03:13.68
Mike
Yep. Right.

01:03:16.06
Bill
If this dickhead goes back to drinking after however many years and you're like, Well, if he could do it, I probably can.

01:03:22.14
Mike
He he he he he he.

01:03:23.34
Bill
Then... okay you got more fucking problems than than than brad whoever fucking drinking so

01:03:25.86
Mike
Yeah. Yep.

01:03:29.30
Bill
If that's what it's going to take for you to fucking relapse, I'm not going to tell you that you deserve it.

01:03:32.83
Mike
Yeah.

01:03:34.31
Bill
I'm just going to tell you that, what the fuck? you're Whatever your...

01:03:36.28
Mike
Yeah.

01:03:37.30
Bill
You're not doing something correctly. That's all I'm going to say.

01:03:39.25
Mike
Mm-hmm Yeah.

01:03:40.29
Bill
Yes, yes, I'm judging. I'm big time fucking judging.

01:03:42.69
Mike
Yup.

01:03:43.45
Bill
If Brad Pitt is going to make you drink again, you've got ah you've got more problems than that.

01:03:46.39
Mike
Hey.

01:03:48.35
Bill
you got I'm telling you, you need to look a little deeper because there's more fucking problems than that Brad fucking Pitt.

01:03:52.29
Mike
Yeah. Yeah, yeah You're a fucking idiot.

01:03:55.06
Bill
Jesus.

01:03:56.06
Mike
Yeah.

01:03:56.31
Bill
Where's the Tylenol?

01:03:56.74
Mike
see Right. I believe Charles Darnwood had it correctly. Yes. You're a fucking, it's called natural selection.

01:04:05.65
Bill
Yeah.

01:04:05.50
Mike
If you're going to go and ruin your life because Brad Pitt. Just she figured out that he can go have a drink. um You know, whatever.

01:04:16.27
Mike
First of all, it has nothing to do with me.

01:04:18.84
Bill
Right.

01:04:19.03
Mike
um Yeah, you know.

01:04:19.45
Bill
What?

01:04:20.22
Mike
i got God. Uh huh.

01:04:23.54
Bill
Yeah, so that that was my that was he that was the only reason I brought it up. because it

01:04:26.04
Mike
Let's see. Bill Wilson did acid in the 60s.

01:04:29.76
Bill
Right.

01:04:29.75
Mike
Yeah, right. So I guess it's okay for me to go drop some acid.

01:04:34.90
Bill
Right. Well, why wouldn't why wouldn't it be?

01:04:35.47
Mike
Right.

01:04:37.06
Bill
Right?

01:04:36.87
Mike
ribe if Hey, let's go cop some now.

01:04:38.22
Bill
hey Right, exactly. Well, we'll be in Austin.

01:04:41.03
Mike
Yeah.

01:04:41.82
Bill
kid We can get asked that in Austin, can't we?

01:04:43.11
Mike
Oh, I'm sure. Yeah. get Well, i I can get it in Cleveland. You can get it in fucking Indianapolis.

01:04:49.05
Bill
Well, I don't want to go by myself, though.

01:04:50.64
Mike
Mmm.

01:04:50.40
Bill
I want to ruin somebody else's life along with mine. I'm just to do it on my own.

01:04:53.84
Mike
Ah. Alright, fine.

01:04:57.95
Bill
if Well, that's it.

01:04:59.36
Mike
Fine, I'll wait a couple of weeks.

01:05:01.77
Bill
Yeah, you know, just let's plan this shit out right. They say a relapse happens long before the first drink anyhow.

01:05:06.98
Mike
Yeah, right. well

01:05:08.70
Bill
Yeah, what do he said.

01:05:09.68
Mike
yeah God.

01:05:11.42
Bill
Yeah.

01:05:13.30
Mike
Ew.

01:05:13.66
Bill
But yeah, we're we're making jokes about it.

01:05:15.73
Mike
Mmm.

01:05:15.60
Bill
But yeah, that that is what it is. Fuck Brad Pitt. Fuck anyone else that goes out there and relapses.

01:05:19.42
Mike
Yeah.

01:05:20.16
Bill
Not fuck them, but if... Who gives a fuck? Exactly what Mike said.

01:05:23.62
Mike
Yeah.

01:05:24.23
Bill
That's why I wanted to get your opinion. for I'm glad that I shut my mouth and got your opinion first.

01:05:25.70
Mike
Mwahahahaha. Yes.

01:05:28.38
Bill
Because I agreed with you 100%, but that was the only thing on there that just... I mean, I thought about, again, the Pete's and the Bo's and the Tom's. And then the other thing I thought about is just...

01:05:35.58
Mike
Yeah.

01:05:37.70
Bill
I'm... I'm sorry to say it, but you you're a fucking idiot. If if you're going to go out and start drinking again because because Brad Pitt thinks it's okay, then fuck you.

01:05:40.81
Mike
Yeah.

01:05:45.56
Mike
Right.

01:05:46.57
Bill
Go go do it.

01:05:46.44
Mike
Some guy you saw in a movie once. I mean, okay, so... so ah Pete and Tom in Bo. A friend of ours.

01:05:53.82
Bill
Yeah.

01:05:54.09
Mike
Right. You know, so, I mean, if we're going to.

01:05:55.38
Bill
Well, they can do it.

01:05:56.34
Mike
yeah right you know if i'm gonna just someone personal i know personally i respect um you know i yeah i did you know not some

01:06:01.33
Bill
Mm hmm.

01:06:04.17
Mike
idiot i've never met before but you know somebody that's that i have a ah relationship with yeah that that's how i'm gonna rationalize that bullshit no it's fucking a man it all comes right back down to

01:06:09.92
Bill
Right?

01:06:18.27
Mike
The only thing I could control was me and I could barely do that.

01:06:20.54
Bill
Right.

01:06:22.21
Mike
So, you know, whatever anyone else does in this entire world has. very very little to do with me and sure as hell somebody that i've never met is Yeah, you know.

01:06:36.81
Mike
some guys that acted in movies that I liked, you know, okay.

01:06:39.59
Bill
Right?

01:06:40.96
Mike
So? you know i'm richard burton and and uh you know fucking peter o'toole and i mean you know legendary fucking drunks man you know i love their movies too so

01:06:43.90
Bill
Yeah I know.

01:06:56.31
Bill
Right.

01:06:56.95
Mike
Yeah.

01:06:57.87
Bill
Yeah. I agree. Okay, enough about Brad Pitt.

01:07:01.64
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:07:01.61
Bill
maybe If nothing else, maybe we said enough. I'll have his name in the in the description. Maybe we can at least get a couple of clicks off the dumb fuck.

01:07:08.26
Mike
Hey.

01:07:09.80
Bill
Heh.

01:07:09.49
Mike
not a dumb fuck. Who knows?

01:07:12.33
Bill
No, I'm sorry.

01:07:12.40
Mike
Right.

01:07:12.83
Bill
Yeah, I didn't mean that. I'm i'm sorry.

01:07:14.18
Mike
Yeah

01:07:14.20
Bill
yet no if brad Brad Pitt's not doing anything wrong. I'm sorry. The the other people around, there's nothing.

01:07:18.00
Mike
or Or he is. I don't know.

01:07:19.74
Bill
Or yes, exactly, exactly.

01:07:20.86
Mike
Yeah.

01:07:21.00
Bill
I didn't mean to call him.

01:07:21.17
Mike
You know.

01:07:22.10
Bill
i you're You're exactly right. I didn't mean to call.

01:07:23.77
Mike
Yeah.

01:07:24.49
Bill
I meant the dumb the dumb story.

01:07:25.66
Mike
maybe he's doing Maybe he's doing something wrong. Maybe he's not.

01:07:29.48
Bill
Correct.

01:07:29.64
Mike
Again.

01:07:30.05
Bill
Yeah.

01:07:30.47
Mike
What the fuck's it got to do with me?

01:07:32.51
Bill
nothing Yeah, it has nothing to do.

01:07:33.34
Mike
Thank you. a

01:07:33.93
Bill
It has nothing to do with you. All right, so um speaking of another podcast, and this time one that I do not have a rant about. I actually had, I talked about, and I know I mentioned him a couple of, gosh, I think a couple of weeks ago.

01:07:48.07
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:07:48.59
Bill
The guy's name is Shane. He's from That Sober Guy Podcast. He's the one that said that he didn't feel, he wasn't labeling himself as an alcoholic anymore, just didn't feel like the label fit him.

01:07:56.100
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:07:58.64
Bill
Again, wasn't wasn't out there drinking again, blah, blah, blah, or having any illusions about that.

01:07:58.65
Mike
Yeah.

01:08:01.18
Mike
Yeah, right

01:08:02.40
Bill
But I'm just reminding everyone of how I brought him up to one time.

01:08:05.03
Mike
Yeah. Right.

01:08:06.01
Bill
So... um He, I just, again, saw one of his, saw one of his clips and his episode. And this one was from July 9th. And the episode, I think, I think the title of the episode is everyone is exhausted, but nobody changes anything.

01:08:18.91
Bill
Okay.

01:08:19.14
Mike
uh-huh

01:08:19.12
Bill
So I actually listened to part of it because I thought that was that that grabbed me. that I'm like, okay, so...

01:08:24.99
Mike
m

01:08:26.13
Bill
Let's kind of check this out, see what it is.

01:08:27.62
Mike
Sure. Yeah.

01:08:28.62
Bill
So. he was actually talking a lot about like what we do and don't do to stay healthy or not stay healthy um and not we i mean everyone you know things that things that people do to either stay healthy or not stay healthy distractions stress all of it um the episode's about 30 minutes long i guess i did listen to the whole thing or close to it

01:08:34.86
Mike
Mm-hmm

01:08:37.58
Mike
Right.

01:08:42.47
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:08:46.72
Mike
Yeah.

01:08:46.99
Bill
And basically, if if anyone if you want to get... It's a good episode to listen to because what it talks about is basically us as people. and you know he He's a sober podcast, obviously talking to the sober community.

01:08:59.70
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:08:59.33
Bill
so Why are you exhausted? What are you doing or what are you not doing? And how do we kind of get out of it?

01:09:03.74
Mike
Yeah.

01:09:05.21
Bill
and He he talks about talks about social media, talks about taking on too many commitments. He talks about taking time for yourself.

01:09:09.79
Mike
Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

01:09:11.10
Bill
You know, all these things like... um you know, just just in general what we can do to be healthier individuals. And, you know, kind of what he's talking about is, you know, taking responsibility for ourselves.

01:09:16.98
Mike
Sure.

01:09:21.29
Bill
So, okay, so you're...

01:09:21.75
Mike
yeah

01:09:23.44
Bill
You're overwhelmed. Everyone's busy. Everyone's overwhelmed. Everyone's doing this.

01:09:26.04
Mike
is a

01:09:26.92
Bill
But you don't fucking do anything about it, you know?

01:09:29.02
Mike
right

01:09:29.49
Bill
So whose fault is that, right?

01:09:30.96
Mike
Yes.

01:09:31.88
Bill
you know But anyhow, so That Sober Guy podcast, um July 9th.

01:09:31.99
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:09:37.24
Bill
It's a 30-minute episode. I just think it was good because um there is. And don't get me wrong. I mean, there's a lot of shit going on you know in in the world and everyone's lives always.

01:09:45.51
Mike
a

01:09:46.43
Bill
We've got more things going on now these days.

01:09:47.20
Mike
Right.

01:09:48.39
Bill
you know Even with something as simple as, in itself, inflicted social media, you know sometimes we get drawn in. We get you know scrolling and doom scrolling like we had talked about.

01:09:55.35
Mike
easy Mm hmm.

01:09:58.10
Bill
and you know Maybe deep down that stuff actually is is causing his stress. I don't know.

01:10:02.65
Mike
Sure.

01:10:02.54
Bill
You know? um i

01:10:03.49
Mike
Oh, I'm sure it is.

01:10:05.15
Bill
Right. Right. you know So anyhow, it's ah it's ah it's a good episode, and it's not he's not a podcast that I listen to on a regular basis, but I happened to i happen to pop in there, and I and i liked it.

01:10:06.82
Mike
Yeah.

01:10:13.48
Mike
Mhm.

01:10:16.47
Bill
so

01:10:17.05
Mike
Yeah. right

01:10:18.74
Bill
All right, so a couple other – actually, a couple other – God, I didn't realize I had so many so many podcast things.

01:10:22.65
Mike
Yeah.

01:10:22.64
Bill
I got a couple of things from the –

01:10:23.26
Mike
Yeah. I just, um I saw today, I like. literally When I was sitting down and eating my pizza, I scrolled for a minute or two. I haven't been on very much at all. I haven't yeah been paying attention to anything. But apparently Mark had his 27th.

01:10:39.23
Mike
Anniversary?

01:10:39.39
Bill
Oh, was it 27? You know what? I saw something.

01:10:42.59
Mike
Unless it was an old clip. but That's when it popped up, and yeah, he was just ah he was talking. it was It was a very short clip. uh He was on another podcast, and um I kind of recognize a female comedian he was on with.

01:10:58.81
Mike
I don't know exactly who she is, but I've seen her.

01:10:59.43
Bill
Right.

01:11:02.33
Mike
um and you know they're talking about early sobriety and shit and And um it was i just I thought it was interesting. It was like... He was talking about... early sobriety and all the feelings coming back and all that shit you know he was You don't know what to do with it.

01:11:17.48
Mike
but You know, it's overwhelming, right? And at the end of it, it was, you know, I love when Mark.

01:11:21.09
Bill
Right.

01:11:24.56
Mike
talks about suicide. It just cracks my ass up always. Right. And he's all, yeah, there's, there's this one phrase and I loved it and I wanted to share it. Made me think of it when we were talking podcasts and Mark Marin. He's all, yeah, he's all.

01:11:38.78
Mike
Don't kill yourself in the first five years because if you do, you're killing the wrong person.

01:11:46.15
Bill
I've heard him say that before, actually.

01:11:47.55
Mike
Yeah.

01:11:47.65
Bill
i Yeah, yeah.

01:11:48.69
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. So I liked that. That was good. right yeah you know wait till you're 20 years in then you get then killing the right person

01:11:54.29
Bill
Yeah.

01:11:56.42
Bill
Right, yeah, and that's, you know what, it's it's unfortunately true because, you know, and we were talking about it with... um ah with Lane when she was on again, you know, each one of us had a, had a weird fucking relationship story from, you know, from that, that, yeah, that five to six year period, you know, and, and it is, I mean, you're still fucking nuts, you know, I mean, it's.

01:12:03.27
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:12:06.19
Mike
Yeah. Five years, yeah. Uh-huh.

01:12:13.65
Mike
No, yeah.

01:12:14.48
Bill
Five years is a long time. I'm not saying that I'm not i'm not still nuts today, but I think I'm possibly at ah at a different level or maybe hopefully a little bit you know less nuts at times.

01:12:17.93
Mike
Mmm.

01:12:20.95
Mike
Yes. Yeah.

01:12:23.44
Bill
I don't know.

01:12:23.65
Mike
Yeah, right. At least have a handle on our nutsness.

01:12:26.53
Bill
Hehehehe.

01:12:27.88
Mike
yes we we recognize it and we we have tools to deal with it today how about that

01:12:34.19
Bill
Right. Yeah, yeah, that' that that is the case. And it just and things that um things that got under my skin, um shit, even at 10 years or 12 years, you know.

01:12:40.63
Mike
Mmm. Right. Yep.

01:12:44.22
Bill
um you know that that don't bother me. uh today or or i maybe it bothers me but i'm like yeah i know how to deal with it you know

01:12:51.01
Mike
Yeah. Right.

01:12:51.67
Bill
i don't I don't like it, but I understand how to how to deal with it.

01:12:53.78
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:12:54.82
Bill
But, i so I mean, it's got to be with with anything.

01:12:54.91
Mike
Right.

01:12:57.18
Bill
I mean, so what what's going to happen at year 18 or 19?

01:13:00.24
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:13:01.37
Bill
There's going to be some, I mean, shit's going to come our way. It always fucking does, you know.

01:13:03.45
Mike
Oh yeah. Yes, it does.

01:13:05.48
Bill
I felt like life is just going to be like, ooh. everything's ah Everything's cool now. You're at 16 plus years.

01:13:10.54
Mike
Right.

01:13:11.57
Bill
You're good.

01:13:12.47
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:13:13.96
Bill
Heh heh.

01:13:13.93
Mike
now it's Now it's all the strawberries and orgasms. 24-7.

01:13:17.23
Bill
Yeah.

01:13:18.11
Mike
Woo-hoo!

01:13:18.43
Bill
Right. Yeah, all we had to do was make it to 16 years and what, how many months?

01:13:21.31
Mike
Ah.

01:13:22.09
Bill
Four months?

01:13:23.01
Mike
Right, yeah.

01:13:23.07
Bill
Yeah, 16 years in, almost almost four months. So yeah, imagine that.

01:13:26.18
Mike
Yep.

01:13:29.65
Bill
Alright. So, um but yeah anyhow, happy anniversary to Mark. And I think you're right.

01:13:33.61
Mike
Yes.

01:13:33.87
Bill
I think 27. And I saw that and i was I was actually just scanning my sheet. I thought I wrote that down, but i'm clearly I forgot to.

01:13:38.96
Mike
Mmm.

01:13:40.78
Bill
But I didn't watch the entire clip. I think the same thing. It was a... um a subtitle thing where i saw the 27 or whatever it was i whatever the years where i saw it but 27 i mean i'm gonna guess you're exactly right on that because i don't i don't remember

01:13:47.24
Mike
Yeah. Right.

01:13:54.14
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:13:55.48
Bill
All right, so. Sober friends, and this one I thought was was kind of interesting. God, this kind of goes along the lines of what we were just talking about.

01:14:01.52
Mike
All right.

01:14:01.94
Bill
um So again, this goes along with the Sober Friends podcast. Our friends Matt and Steve over there, they were talking about gutting it out.

01:14:07.34
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:14:09.62
Bill
okay So if if things are tough, figuring we can get through without assistance.

01:14:10.35
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:14:14.14
Bill
okay so What I thought was interesting is we were just talking about that.

01:14:14.35
Mike
Yes.

01:14:16.81
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:14:17.20
Bill
with any assistance or help or whatever. so um So my, well, I guess my question on that, or what are your thoughts on that? But I think we were already just talking about that, weren't we? I didn't remember what I wrote down on that, but so our thoughts on that, we need help, right?

01:14:26.45
Mike
Yes.

01:14:30.28
Mike
Yeah. Right. I mean, yeah if we haven't proven to ourselves yet that Gotta to get it. out. and doing it ourselves and and relying completely on ourselves doesn't fucking work. um it's time to go back and look at some other stuff. Cause yeah, you know, right. I mean, and and I still have. the inclination to do it and i still you know sometimes even try to do it um

01:14:57.96
Mike
but i i know better right you know if it's if it's serious hardcore shit man you know Problem shared is a problem cut in half.

01:14:59.54
Bill
Right.

01:15:07.01
Bill
Right.

01:15:07.28
Mike
And it's fucking true. it absolutely is you know i mean yeah just you know i

01:15:08.98
Bill
It is true. Right.

01:15:13.38
Mike
And i like I said, i still I'm still prone to do it. I'll i'll do it. And then, you know, it ah it'll start. getting to, you know, started getting to critical mass. and i'll talk to somebody for 20 minutes and oh fuck you know it's it's yeah it's it's relieved itself you know the problem's not solved it's still there and it's whatever and blah blah blah blah blah but i've just i've i've shared it and maybe i get a little advice maybe i fucking don't but i just got it out to another human being and sometimes that's enough

01:15:30.18
Bill
Right.

01:15:43.33
Bill
Right.

01:15:44.19
Mike
To relieve that pressure. that we've allowed ourselves to build up Dumbasses.

01:15:49.55
Bill
Yeah. Right, and yeah and you know what? The the the thing one is we we've talked about it before too. you know Sometimes it's just a matter of, like you just said, just getting it out, you know getting it out in the open because sometimes just saying it out loud, you're like, oh, fuck, what am I even, what why?

01:15:54.26
Mike
Mmm.

01:15:58.20
Mike
Yeah.

01:16:02.36
Mike
Yeah. Yeah, really not that big of a goddamn deal.

01:16:04.42
Bill
You know? Yeah, you're like, you finish the sentence, you finish telling somebody like, ah, fuck it. I just figured it out. It's all good.

01:16:12.52
Mike
Right.

01:16:13.21
Bill
Thank you.

01:16:13.75
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:16:14.52
Bill
Thank you.

01:16:15.56
Mike
Yep.

01:16:16.72
Bill
You just like i walk away. You're like, yeah, I i didn't need anything, you know.

01:16:19.98
Mike
I just needed to spew it out.

01:16:21.31
Bill
But here's the other. And you know what?

01:16:23.80
Mike
Relieve that pressure.

01:16:25.25
Bill
Well, and sometimes it it really is because it it seems like such a big deal when it's rattling around in this fucking pea brain of ours, you know?

01:16:30.68
Mike
aha Yup.

01:16:32.73
Bill
You know, but when when you... literally get it out in either. The person doesn't even have to react to it because it nine times out of ten, they don't.

01:16:38.72
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:16:40.45
Bill
You know, it's just a matter of I just heard myself say that and I'm disgusted with the fact that I've been wrestling with this for, you know, for two weeks.

01:16:40.36
Mike
Right.

01:16:43.53
Mike
Mm hmm. Hehehehe. Yeah.

01:16:49.17
Bill
Two fucking weeks I've been wrestling with this. And I mean, all I had to do was just, I could have said it out loud to myself in the goddamn shower.

01:16:50.89
Mike
Yeah.

01:16:54.83
Bill
And I would have been wanted fine.

01:16:54.86
Mike
Right. Yeah. No, no, I wouldn't have. Right. Is there something about doing it to another human being?

01:16:58.50
Bill
he Yeah, I know.

01:17:00.53
Mike
And yeah, right.

01:17:01.45
Bill
i know

01:17:02.43
Mike
And and actually saying it out loud to another human being and and going, wow. Yeah. Yeah. Because we say it to ourselves. It doesn't fucking matter. It doesn't count.

01:17:11.10
Bill
Right.

01:17:11.96
Mike
Yeah, no, you actually have to say it to another person.

01:17:12.16
Bill
Right.

01:17:14.55
Mike
When you do that, it's like, oh, yeah, now I hear it.

01:17:19.63
Bill
yeah did you did you hear yourself did you did you listen to yourself yeah unfortunately i did i did

01:17:21.56
Mike
Yeah. Yes. Mm hmm.

01:17:25.42
Bill
All right, so here's here's a funny one from Sober Friends. We got another got another shout-out from Sober Friends in this one.

01:17:30.06
Mike
Cool.

01:17:30.09
Bill
This one I think you'll laugh. um So Steve was talking about having some sort of a GI issue, okay?

01:17:35.74
Mike
o

01:17:36.39
Bill
And he wasn't really going at it, but then Matt's like, he's like, Matt's like, I get it. He goes, I've had it happen to me too.

01:17:40.44
Mike
Hehehe.

01:17:40.98
Bill
He goes, you know, I get, he goes, you know, I.

01:17:41.41
Mike
uh-huh

01:17:43.22
Bill
ended up with diarrhea every once in a while. So they're talking back and forth.

01:17:45.08
Mike
Sure.

01:17:46.09
Bill
They're sharing these these stories.

01:17:47.50
Mike
Hmm.

01:17:48.22
Bill
And then Matt says, he goes,

01:17:48.38
Mike
Yes.

01:17:49.68
Bill
He goes, oh, if he goes for ah for a Bill and the guys over at Sober Not Mature.

01:17:52.44
Mike
Hehehehehehehehe.

01:17:52.74
Bill
He goes, this is the loose stool portion of the program.

01:17:55.56
Mike
Nice.

01:17:58.34
Bill
Hehehehe. I... I... I started fucking laughing. Steve literally started laughing out loud. He's like, he's like ah's that's that's funny. because he That's funny.

01:18:05.70
Mike
Yeah.

01:18:08.04
Bill
But yeah, so again. Matt and Steve over there, this is this is a lot of fucking fun. I enjoy this this back and forth.

01:18:14.02
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:18:14.09
Bill
it just ah it's It's inadvertent, but sometimes it just it makes me hit. Well, almost all the time it makes me fucking laugh.

01:18:20.89
Mike
As opposed to our podcast, which is all loose stool all the time.

01:18:25.61
Bill
Yeah, exactly. is yeah what We have to say, okay, ladies and gentlemen, this is the sobriety portion.

01:18:28.98
Mike
Yeah. Yes, this this is a portion that's not about loose stools.

01:18:30.78
Bill
Yeah.

01:18:34.02
Bill
Well, you know, actually with the exception of, um well, yeah, we. Okay, Jim Norton shitting on whores.

01:18:39.49
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:18:39.91
Bill
Joy Pants, that was...

01:18:39.94
Mike
Hmm.

01:18:41.72
Bill
Brad Pitt, that was.

01:18:41.92
Mike
Sure. Yeah.

01:18:43.27
Bill
um The reading was everything, everything but Jim Norton shitting on hookers.

01:18:43.31
Mike
Yeah. Huh?

01:18:47.77
Mike
Yeah.

01:18:48.32
Bill
Um, everything else has been sobriety based so okay i'm wow Let's write that one down.

01:18:52.27
Mike
Cool. And well, and Hey, you know, I mean, Jim Norton has been sober since he was like 18 years old. So.

01:18:57.96
Bill
Yeah, yeah

01:18:58.69
Mike
Yeah.

01:18:59.45
Bill
Yep, yeah, yeah he he was talking about that too on the pod.

01:18:59.53
Mike
So. we'll We'll tie it in.

01:19:01.23
Bill
Yeah, of course, yeah, he's he's a sober dad.

01:19:01.50
Mike
Sure. Yes, he is.

01:19:03.65
Bill
I almost forgot about that, but yeah, he had talked about that a little bit.

01:19:05.62
Mike
Mm hmm. Yep.

01:19:07.71
Bill
All right, so this one starts out with podcast. and i So I don't remember what this one is. So let's let's see what if this is a complaint or if this is something positive. They were telling a story about a work situation that went weird and how it was handled effectively.

01:19:19.87
Mike
Hmm.

01:19:21.38
Bill
or handle effectively because of sobriety.

01:19:23.99
Mike
Mmm.

01:19:24.32
Bill
But then the individual said, well, I'm not going to drink over, oh, okay, I got i remember this now. So here's here's what it was. It was a ah the individuals that basically um had a shitty day.

01:19:34.30
Bill
Something fuck got all fucked up at work.

01:19:34.81
Mike
Yeah. Mm hmm.

01:19:36.64
Bill
but they were able to get through it you know because of their their sobriety and all that stuff

01:19:38.97
Mike
Yeah. Right

01:19:41.60
Bill
But then the individual said, well, And this was kind of a nonchalant kind of thing, and I wanted to throw it by you and see what you thought. Said, well, I'm not going to drink over a work situation like this, but, okay. So that was the like kind of like a nonchalant. And then I thought about it. It took me a minute, but I thought about it.

01:19:57.42
Bill
And, you know, basically that the person said you know, Because it was a minor situation that... And. they weren't going to drink because they had a program and blah, blah, blah, you know, but.

01:20:06.19
Mike
a

01:20:07.41
Bill
My thought was, okay, so... People do. drink over these little things, right?

01:20:11.31
Mike
Yeah.

01:20:12.33
Bill
So I just, it seemed like kind of a nonchalant.

01:20:12.70
Mike
Sure.

01:20:14.71
Bill
So and any thoughts about that? I mean, i I don't know that I would ever say that. i don't It felt like the person was minimizing something that could actually be a problem. It did.

01:20:23.10
Mike
Right.

01:20:23.33
Bill
Does that make sense or no?

01:20:24.33
Mike
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it makes sense. um um Yeah, you know, I'm not going to drink over fucking anything um right now.

01:20:33.63
Bill
Right.

01:20:35.39
Mike
At this very moment, I'm not drinking over anything.

01:20:38.74
Bill
Right.

01:20:38.59
Mike
anything. Um, Yeah, you know, big little... whatever. big in the moment little in the grand scheme of things big in the grand scheme of things and Little in the moment, I would have had fucking A, man. You know. um Yeah, you know, don't qualify it, man. That's dangerous.

01:20:58.27
Bill
Right.

01:20:58.42
Mike
to me yeah don't i Yeah. Um, Well, not, it's it's small, so I'm not, going shut the fuck up. How about just, it doesn't matter.

01:21:08.42
Bill
Right.

01:21:08.36
Mike
I'm not going to drink right now today because that's what, you know, it's important to me. Um, and the rest of it. is going to move along like it always does. yeah i don't know yeah it's a little it's a weird qualification that i sure as hell wouldn't make

01:21:26.38
Bill
Right. And.

01:21:26.94
Mike
Yeah.

01:21:27.33
Bill
And that was said that was the thing, and that's why... Hang on one second.

01:21:31.13
Mike
Yeah. who I did it for you.

01:21:33.48
Bill
Heh. Yeah, sorry about that.

01:21:34.71
Mike
Hehehehehehehehe.

01:21:35.98
Bill
But it was it caught me weird, and i in to begin with, I didn't know why, but I know what you mean now.

01:21:38.66
Mike
Yeah.

01:21:41.05
Bill
It was qualified.

01:21:41.17
Mike
Yeah.

01:21:42.02
Bill
That's what it was.

01:21:42.64
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:21:42.67
Bill
it That was the word that I was missing in my head. it was It was qualified.

01:21:45.21
Mike
Yeah.

01:21:46.12
Bill
So anything can be something to drink over if you don't.

01:21:49.39
Mike
Well, fuck yeah.

01:21:50.50
Bill
Yeah, if you don't have... the the right program. it could be It could be huge. More than likely, it's the the big things. And we have heard this. i know one I know I've heard it on the podcast.

01:21:58.53
Mike
Mmm.

01:22:00.26
Bill
We've heard people tell stories about it.

01:22:01.63
Mike
Sure.

01:22:01.56
Bill
And and I'm a firm believer of the... A lot of times these these big things are not the things that people drink over.

01:22:06.84
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:22:08.00
Bill
It's the little things.

01:22:08.51
Mike
Right

01:22:09.31
Bill
Because the big things are what's magnified.

01:22:09.17
Mike
Yeah.

01:22:11.18
Bill
That's when you're like, okay, a family member died.

01:22:12.42
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:22:13.46
Bill
I went through a divorce. Something tragic happened, some big event.

01:22:14.94
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

01:22:17.15
Bill
you know So i I have to go talk to somebody and I need help.

01:22:17.65
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:22:20.76
Mike
Right.

01:22:20.95
Bill
Whereas these little things over here, this work thing that's that's at me are them.

01:22:23.03
Mike
Yeah.

01:22:24.20
Bill
A little short on money over here. Whatever the case is.

01:22:26.43
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:22:27.19
Bill
These little things are what eat at people. or

01:22:29.34
Mike
Yeah.

01:22:30.28
Bill
like our buddy Seth you know he got a fucking flat tire and just on the wrong fucking day you know and pulled into a gas station got a fat flat tire and couldn't change it because the spare wasn't there whatever this this comedy of errors basically happened to him you know just from getting ah a flat tire

01:22:32.90
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

01:22:43.08
Mike
Mhm.

01:22:46.47
Mike
Yeah.

01:22:46.81
Bill
And he he went next door to the liquor store. He called a cab and went to a hotel and went on a fucking bender. you know Now, was it the spare tire?

01:22:51.75
Mike
Yep.

01:22:53.68
Bill
Was it the flat tire? Of course not.

01:22:55.01
Mike
Mm.

01:22:55.62
Bill
you know i mean we We know that.

01:22:55.65
Mike
No. Mm hmm.

01:22:57.35
Bill
um you know he did not have He wasn't working the right program. He didn't have the tools in place to deal with something. Again, don't get me wrong. of A fucking flat tire and not having a spare?

01:23:07.94
Mike
Hmm?

01:23:07.91
Bill
I had that happen twice since I've been sober.

01:23:10.00
Mike
Yeah. Right.

01:23:10.74
Bill
you know, twice. you know So when when it happens, it's really fucking frustrating.

01:23:12.89
Mike
Mmm.

01:23:16.60
Bill
but um you got to have the right.

01:23:16.86
Mike
Yeah.

01:23:19.73
Bill
You've got to have the foundation.

01:23:20.11
Mike
Yeah.

01:23:20.52
Bill
You've got to have the program. To your point, and I'm glad you used the word qualified because that's what I was missing.

01:23:24.97
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:23:25.30
Bill
I couldn't figure out how to explain it.

01:23:26.98
Mike
Hmm.

01:23:28.37
Bill
The fact that this individual qualified it qualified it as, ah, it's just a little thing. I'm not going to drink over that.

01:23:34.22
Mike
Okay.

01:23:34.53
Bill
you know Well, maybe not today, but... you know

01:23:37.01
Mike
Yeah.

01:23:37.65
Bill
Not that you couldn't or wouldn't, you know?

01:23:39.22
Mike
Yeah, right. I mean, I just, again, dangerous, man. I don't. allow my brain to go there because it can very easily.

01:23:45.40
Bill
Right.

01:23:46.78
Mike
And I start doing that, then it's, yeah, then I'm qualifying this and I'm qualifying the other thing. And all of a sudden I qualify my ass right into the fucking bottom of a paper bag.

01:23:56.60
Bill
Right.

01:23:57.24
Mike
Yep. yep

01:23:58.20
Bill
Right. Yeah, agreed. Okay, so thank you. that i couldn't i couldn't I couldn't rationalize that in this and this little brain of mine.

01:24:03.66
Mike
hehehehe

01:24:04.93
Bill
so But um now i now I have. so um

01:24:07.88
Mike
All right.

01:24:09.30
Bill
There's an... Uh... yeah mean about I'll save that one. It's not a big deal. So I'm going to read one more from Keep It Simple, maybe two. I got little little bits and pieces from Keep It Simple.

01:24:19.17
Mike
Night.

01:24:19.24
Bill
um Today, I'll make a list of places. that mean trouble for me, places I need to stay away from. This, I think, was from today or yesterday.

01:24:28.60
Mike
Yeah.

01:24:28.16
Bill
Do you do you have a mental like ah a mental note of places that you that you know you won't go or is you stay away from?

01:24:28.79
Mike
Huh?

01:24:36.06
Bill
Or is it even...

01:24:36.59
Mike
East Cleveland. It's got nothing to do with fucking drinking.

01:24:42.82
Mike
It's fucking dangerous over there.

01:24:44.77
Bill
East Cleveland.

01:24:44.96
Mike
Um... he see yeah Yeah, the actual city of East Cleveland. They've got like two cops. um literally. ah Yeah, it's... Scary over there. No.

01:24:54.74
Bill
Is it really?

01:24:54.86
Mike
um

01:24:55.04
Bill
Okay, i didn't I actually didn't know that.

01:24:55.60
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

01:24:56.90
Bill
Okay.

01:24:57.04
Mike
Yeah, that was just in the news. A couple of weeks ago. No, it's I, but I think it's it's not too, I think it's like a dozen, but still it's, you know, it's a high crime area, whatever.

01:25:01.30
Bill
Really?

01:25:08.54
Mike
No, they can't get cops to work there. There's like. Yeah, ah maybe a dozen for the entire city.

01:25:14.73
Bill
Right.

01:25:15.17
Mike
Yeah. um Yeah, you know, yeah, that's that's dangerous. um No, there's, you know, I mean, I'm not going to go. sit in a fucking trap house. Um, and you know, and um, you know, twiddle my thumbs while everybody's getting loaded.

01:25:25.85
Bill
Right.

01:25:31.13
Mike
Uh, I'm not going to go sit in a bar in the middle of the day, um, with nothing else to do.

01:25:33.43
Bill
Right.

01:25:36.61
Mike
Um, and you know, I, I, I mean, but. Seriously, if I'm hungry and the place has got really good hamburgers, I'll go sit there for half an hour and eat a hamburger. I don't give a fuck

01:25:46.56
Bill
Right.

01:25:46.81
Mike
You know, it's not gonna bother me. Um, Yeah, you know, no, there's there's no... Other than you know danger. I don't know the end of a fucking runway at the airport where the planes land, you know, I'm not going to sit there either.

01:25:57.60
Bill
Hehehehehehehehe

01:26:01.76
Mike
Yeah.

01:26:01.65
Bill
Right.

01:26:01.99
Mike
You know? Yeah. But as far as to my sobriety, no, there's nowhere that's dangerous to my sobriety other than between my two ears.

01:26:10.68
Bill
Right. Yeah, and you know, I think we've talked about this before because I think you you said... Go sit in the trap house at the the end of a runway where the planes land.

01:26:17.35
Mike
Yeah.

01:26:19.89
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:26:20.16
Bill
that I like that.

01:26:20.41
Mike
You know, the middle of the fucking freeway. You know, I'm not going to sit in the middle lane of fucking I-80.

01:26:23.13
Bill
Oh.

01:26:26.10
Bill
Yeah.

01:26:26.06
Mike
I'm not going to do that. That's stupid.

01:26:28.72
Bill
i i Still, I like the like the runway.

01:26:31.10
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

01:26:32.28
Bill
Um,

01:26:31.95
Mike
yeah

01:26:32.97
Bill
But I just, i I don't really have, I mean, I... i don't I don't go hang out in bars, but to your point, I mean, if i yeah if it was someplace, I pulled in someplace, and I'm like, yeah, I knew that this was the place that had like really good food.

01:26:37.70
Mike
Right.

01:26:43.47
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:26:44.61
Bill
um Yeah, I go i go sit you know probably not on a regular basis, but I may i may go grab a burger or something there.

01:26:44.50
Mike
Right?

01:26:48.13
Mike
Yeah, yeah. Right. You know, yeah, I want one of those burgers are really fucking good. I'm going to go in there. I'm going to order my food. I'm going to eat it and I'm going to leave.

01:26:57.85
Bill
Right.

01:26:58.39
Mike
Eh.

01:26:59.07
Bill
Right? Well, when I when i was in ah in Memphis, you know I went to that that rib place, and then they they seated me in the bar.

01:27:02.14
Mike
Right.

01:27:04.67
Bill
And to begin with, when they were first going to seat me back there, I'm like, do you have a – I'm like, yeah, that's okay.

01:27:07.24
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:27:08.83
Bill
i can I can fucking eat back here.

01:27:09.38
Mike
Yeah. Eh.

01:27:11.02
Bill
And then – Whatever time I got done, it was I remember the music started at 7.

01:27:10.82
Mike
Yeah.

01:27:15.50
Bill
I think I got done eating it.

01:27:15.95
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:27:17.66
Bill
I think I got there at 5, got done eating at 5 .30 or so. and

01:27:20.63
Mike
Yeah.

01:27:21.35
Bill
Um, you know, I remember asking the bartender, cause I mean, I was just, he he's like, what can I get you to drink and Diet Coke?

01:27:24.18
Mike
Yeah.

01:27:26.58
Bill
He's like, oh, okay.

01:27:26.86
Mike
Yeah.

01:27:27.20
Bill
You know, and I, I ordered two of those and while I was sitting there eating and then, uh, um, I said, when's the music?

01:27:28.38
Mike
Right.

01:27:30.91
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:27:31.96
Bill
I said, I'm going to go, you know, walk up and down and just, you know, people watch for a little while.

01:27:34.37
Mike
Yeah.

01:27:35.10
Bill
So I didn't want to sit in the bar for the next, you know, hour and a half.

01:27:37.25
Mike
Yeah. Right. Yeah, right.

01:27:38.84
Bill
End up.

01:27:38.92
Mike
Why? yeah there's shit and beside To your point, there's there's shit out there you want to go look around.

01:27:40.26
Bill
Exactly.

01:27:45.26
Mike
Go look around. Yeah, I know what the fucking inside of a bar looks like.

01:27:46.33
Bill
Right, yeah, it was... Yeah, there' there was nothing for me to do. it just If nothing else, just out of sheer boredom, I didn't want to sit in the bar for the next hour and a half.

01:27:51.51
Mike
Yeah. Yeah, right Yeah, it's got nothing to do with sobriety. It's just, fuck, yeah, you know.

01:27:57.34
Bill
Right.

01:27:58.54
Mike
i Man, there's booze bottles. There's a mirror. There's a wooden bar. There's stools. There's drunks. Um, Eh, okay. Now what?

01:28:07.32
Bill
How is he... I was sitting at a table too. I was sitting at a table against the wall.

01:28:09.65
Mike
Yeah.

01:28:10.35
Bill
But the funny part is when I when i went back in there and I got in there like a little but five after seven, whatever wherever the case was.

01:28:11.00
Mike
Hmm.

01:28:15.29
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:28:16.87
Bill
And first of all, I walked back in. The bartender i right away saw me. He's like, another Diet Coke for you? And as soon as I walked back in, it was so fucking cool.

01:28:21.11
Mike
Yeah.

01:28:23.00
Bill
and I know I told that story before, but it was just it was really nice when he noticed me and and he didn't charge me for it.

01:28:23.82
Mike
Yeah. Right.

01:28:28.57
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:28:29.51
Bill
and I was sitting there and he came up.

01:28:29.96
Mike
Right?

01:28:31.31
Bill
and um you know asked me like in because i was there like 45 minutes or something he came in like halfway through and he's another diet coke for him like i don't know i'm good But, um you know, I was there long enough until um there was something, that internal clock went off.

01:28:35.25
Mike
Yeah.

01:28:38.06
Mike
Meh.

01:28:42.17
Bill
And I'm like, ah it started to fill up a little bit.

01:28:42.71
Mike
Yeah.

01:28:44.15
Bill
And I'm like, this, it was so fucking great.

01:28:44.50
Mike
Meh.

01:28:45.87
Bill
I had i had such a good nice time listening to.

01:28:47.86
Mike
Right?

01:28:48.82
Bill
you know, ah blues music. And then I just, I left. It was, it was fucking great.

01:28:51.40
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:28:51.82
Bill
You know?

01:28:51.97
Mike
right Yeah, then you're done. Okay, I've heard it.

01:28:54.32
Bill
Yeah, I stayed until it was time to leave.

01:28:55.55
Mike
Yeah.

01:28:55.86
Bill
It was just so it was good.

01:28:56.43
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:28:57.06
Bill
It was just really good. you know

01:28:58.20
Mike
Eh, freedom, motherfucker.

01:29:00.07
Bill
I know. Yeah, it was just it was really it was it was just really, really nice.

01:29:00.91
Mike
Hehehehehehehehehehehehe.

01:29:03.11
Bill
It was really nice. so

01:29:04.28
Mike
Ah.

01:29:05.23
Bill
Um... Well, actually, you know one more 24-hour book.

01:29:09.86
Mike
Right.

01:29:10.76
Bill
I pray that I may be satisfied, or I'm sorry, a complete opposite.

01:29:14.19
Mike
Hmm. Hey.

01:29:16.22
Bill
Complete opposite. I pray that I may never.

01:29:19.14
Mike
Mmm.

01:29:19.82
Bill
be satisfied with my present state. So my question to you is, do you agree with that?

01:29:22.68
Mike
Yeah.

01:29:25.34
Bill
And if so, why?

01:29:28.04
Mike
um I mean... Yes and no.

01:29:33.45
Bill
Heh heh.

01:29:33.39
Mike
There's one of my hair what are my answers.

01:29:35.02
Bill
No, I mean I get it and I get it

01:29:36.54
Mike
Yeah, you know, um Yes, i don't want to be I don't want to become complacent. I don't want to... um You know, yes, I want to. remember that they're always can be more.

01:29:49.42
Bill
Right.

01:29:49.58
Mike
um you know and stuff that i'm not even aware of that that I'm going to really fucking enjoy. um I can't forget that. But I also... You know, I'm...

01:30:01.34
Mike
pretty fucking satisfied right now you know with my life and and you know it is it perfect hell no but it's It's pretty good

01:30:03.63
Bill
Right.

01:30:10.08
Bill
Right.

01:30:09.86
Mike
you know um And again, that's ah kind of a dangerous line for us to walk because you know ah one of, again, the core issues of of...

01:30:16.05
Bill
Right.

01:30:21.63
Mike
being an alcoholic is wanting more, right? Undeservedly wanting more. So, yeah, it's it's down to that balance again. you know Yes, I've got to remember that you know there is more out there than I have, and and I'm certainly entitled to it. But I'm not.

01:30:41.03
Mike
ah I can't demand it. and um I have to be happy with what I have.

01:30:46.55
Bill
Right.

01:30:46.59
Mike
you know. Because what I have is fucking way more than I deserve. and way way way way more than i ever fucking had before um So, you know, yeah, it's the balance. you know yes I I want to remember that there is more out there. I don't have everything.

01:31:05.59
Mike
but I also don't demand that I have more. um undeservedly if you know if i'm willing to go out and earn a little more a little more happiness a little more whatever little more peace of mind.

01:31:18.63
Mike
cool you know work for it um but At this point, I don't want to work that fucking hard anymore. So I'm pretty grateful for what I have.

01:31:28.52
Bill
Yeah. Well, you know, that it kind of reminds me when, so again, back to this whole Airbnb thing that ah that our sister and I are doing.

01:31:33.61
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:31:36.14
Bill
And I talked to Mike about it. I mean i think it was either after an episode or whatever it was.

01:31:38.32
Mike
Yeah.

01:31:39.81
Bill
or I don't think it was in person. I think we were talking on here and I just said, okay, I explained the whole thing to him.

01:31:43.58
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:31:45.65
Bill
you know because i mean um the the The podcast thing, it it is a business, and it's me, Mike, and in our sister.

01:31:45.71
Mike
Right.

01:31:51.26
Mike
Mm-hmm

01:31:51.36
Bill
and it's that's that's our That's our business, and we're all part of it.

01:31:52.01
Mike
Right.

01:31:55.17
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:31:55.28
Bill
um you know We're not making any money off of it, but it's it's ours.

01:31:57.82
Mike
Yeah.

01:31:57.93
Bill
you know

01:31:58.39
Mike
yeah right

01:31:59.32
Bill
It's our little our little ah you know money pit, whatever you want to call it.

01:32:01.67
Mike
Yes it is.

01:32:03.08
Bill
So I did. I laid everything out to him, and I'm like...

01:32:05.56
Mike
Mhm.

01:32:06.17
Bill
Do you have, do you want to be a part of this thing? I mean, the same way.

01:32:07.98
Mike
Yeah. Right.

01:32:08.42
Bill
And he's like, I have no desire.

01:32:10.06
Mike
Yep. No, I don't.

01:32:11.36
Bill
You're like, you're like no guy get no no.

01:32:13.47
Mike
Yeah.

01:32:13.59
Bill
I have no, no. and ah

01:32:15.57
Mike
No. I absolutely appreciate the offer. Thank you for thinking of me and including me, but that just doesn't interest me. It's not something that, again, you know, what am I willing to work for?

01:32:22.70
Bill
Right.

01:32:25.100
Mike
And that's not one of them. Yeah, you know, ah yet i when I explain it to you, I'll explain it to our listeners.

01:32:28.17
Bill
Right, man.

01:32:33.19
Mike
You know, the American dream, the entrepreneur. entrepreneurial spirit you know owning your own business being your own boss Does not. appeal to me.

01:32:43.80
Mike
at all, never has, never will. I don't fucking care.

01:32:46.56
Bill
Right.

01:32:47.29
Mike
I don't want to be, I i want to work for somebody else. You take all the responsibility and the liability and all that shit. I don't want to have anything to do with it. I'll work for you, you give me the money for the work that I do for you, and we go our separate ways.

01:33:02.48
Bill
all Right?

01:33:02.62
Mike
That's the way I like it.

01:33:04.57
Bill
Yeah.

01:33:05.19
Mike
Yeah.

01:33:05.28
Bill
Right?

01:33:05.88
Mike
Right.

01:33:06.15
Bill
And. And there's, I mean, literally, there there's 100 % I didn't think or or affect. It did had no effect on me whatsoever.

01:33:14.46
Mike
Right.

01:33:14.40
Bill
It was just one of those where I needed to, I felt an obligation because obviously we we do all these things together.

01:33:17.54
Mike
Mm hmm. Sure. Mm hmm.

01:33:21.48
Bill
And it wasn't even an obligation. i wanted I wanted you to be a part of if you wanted to be a part of.

01:33:23.15
Mike
Right Yeah.

01:33:26.45
Mike
Yeah.

01:33:26.86
Bill
But I would never look at you and be like, why don't you want to be a part of, you know?

01:33:27.23
Mike
Mm-hmm Yeah, right.

01:33:31.90
Bill
you know and the and the other thing too is like i said you know there's there's ways for all of us to you know, to to share in the success over time if it if it happens.

01:33:39.16
Mike
Sure.

01:33:39.53
Bill
And, you know, we're we're all doing a lot of work on a lot of different levels.

01:33:40.11
Mike
Mm-hmm

01:33:42.74
Bill
It's just because this one little piece over here of this thing that we're doing.

01:33:46.65
Mike
Hmm.

01:33:47.20
Bill
It doesn't make any money. um this This thing that we're doing right now has been the vehicle for anything and everything that we might hope to do.

01:33:53.83
Mike
Yeah.

01:33:56.56
Bill
100%. That's not even a joke. That's not even anything. this This thing that we built, whatever this little thing is here that we built.

01:34:03.16
Mike
mm-hmm

01:34:04.33
Bill
you know is the vehicle that we need to do anything else you know successfully from from all the other possible options or ventures that we have.

01:34:07.29
Mike
Huh?

01:34:10.47
Mike
Right Yeah.

01:34:11.78
Bill
you know.

01:34:12.42
Mike
Right, exactly. well yeah you know um you ah Bring it back down to the, yeah, working the steps, you know, getting, running the program in the Keating Center.

01:34:14.09
Bill
Hmm.

01:34:22.03
Mike
Yeah, all that.

01:34:22.43
Bill
Right.

01:34:23.15
Mike
Yeah, that's that's the little enterprise that we. started together. and um you know This is ah an extension of that.

01:34:27.63
Bill
Right.

01:34:30.07
Mike
And then, yeah, you know other things are an extension of that. But it all comes down to... Sitting in those goddamn dorm rooms in fucking August of 2010, sweating our asses off, and yes.

01:34:37.49
Bill
Heh heh heh.

01:34:41.27
Bill
Right.

01:34:44.05
Mike
Yep.

01:34:44.33
Bill
Yeah, and you know what?

01:34:45.09
Mike
And.

01:34:45.22
Bill
when Honestly, when the when the power was out,

01:34:46.78
Mike
Cleaning toilets.

01:34:49.21
Bill
When the power was out and the in the air conditioning and the air conditioning was down and all that stuff, i I swear to God, I thought about the Keating Center.

01:34:49.86
Mike
When the power was out. Uh huh.

01:34:56.18
Bill
I'm like, I got this.

01:34:56.38
Mike
Hehehehehehehehehehe.

01:34:57.48
Bill
I got through this before. I'm like.

01:34:58.91
Mike
Yep.

01:34:59.67
Bill
And it was fine. You know, the only thing is every once in a while I would i would just be sitting there and I would get this this wave of rage that would come over for me.

01:35:06.73
Mike
Hehehehehehe.

01:35:08.37
Bill
You know what I mean, right? It's just there's...

01:35:09.55
Mike
Yes I do.

01:35:09.83
Bill
I'm not... I'm not mad, really, and it's nobody's fucking fault. I didn't freak out or yell at anyone, but it's just you're sitting there, and all of a sudden, it's like your back gets a little sweatier, and you're like...

01:35:13.88
Mike
Right

01:35:21.87
Bill
i Again, this this wave of rage would just come over me, and I'm like... fuck! it That's about the the extent of it.

01:35:27.03
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:35:29.57
Bill
I'm just like, ah what whatever, man.

01:35:29.91
Mike
Yeah.

01:35:30.88
Bill
it just It's just whatever.

01:35:31.34
Mike
Yep.

01:35:33.02
Bill
It's just fucking whatever.

01:35:33.38
Mike
Yeah.

01:35:33.82
Bill
you know so

01:35:34.69
Mike
And like most feelings and emotions, they last for a few seconds and move along.

01:35:40.43
Bill
Exactly.

01:35:41.15
Mike
Then you feel something else.

01:35:40.92
Bill
All right. hey God damn it, you just ruined it. I was going to say, hey, speaking of moving along. But anyhow.

01:35:46.19
Mike
Ah. Yes. Alright.

01:35:48.25
Bill
I was just – you didn't ruin it. I was just i was just trying to jump in jump in on your – I interrupted you.

01:35:50.32
Mike
Yeah.

01:35:53.31
Bill
but and ah I was up being selfish. I was being selfish.

01:35:55.35
Mike
Okay.

01:35:55.51
Bill
so

01:35:55.96
Mike
Cool.

01:35:57.27
Bill
So anyhow, speaking of moving the along, Mike.

01:35:57.16
Mike
Hehehe. Speaking of moving along and being selfish, I'm fucking done with this shit.

01:36:02.40
Bill
okay Exactly.

01:36:03.46
Mike
All right. Well, thank you everyone for listening to yet another episode of Sober Not Mature. As always, be kind to each other, be good to each other, go out and do something nice for somebody else this week, and don't fucking tell anybody you did it.

01:36:19.29
Mike
NOW! From the bottom of my heart. To the depths of my soul. From the beginning of time until the ends of the earth. Always.

01:36:30.12
Mike
and eternally. Fuck. You. Now it's time. It's time for you to fuck off. Then keep fucking off. Keep fucking off till you get to a gate with a sign on it saying.

01:36:44.56
Mike
You cannot fuck off past here. Peh. Climb over that gate. Dream the impossible dream. Keep fucking off forever. Bye. He he he he he he he he

01:36:54.98
Bill
There. You're just sitting there and you're like, hey.

01:36:58.82
Mike
Heh heh.

01:36:58.16
Bill
I laughed out loud when you said that.

01:37:00.25
Mike
he

01:37:01.61
Bill
Okay, real real quick. Do you have a do you have a pen?

01:37:03.11
Mike
Yes.

01:37:03.62
Bill
Do you have pen and paper handy or no?

01:37:04.58
Mike
no I have a pen and I can have paper.

01:37:08.62
Bill
Okay, i want you I want you to write something down.

01:37:10.35
Mike
Yeah.

01:37:10.19
Bill
Everyone, too, if you have an opportunity, play along at home. This will take only a...

01:37:13.63
Mike
Hang on.

01:37:14.09
Bill
About two minutes.

01:37:15.26
Mike
I got it.

01:37:15.41
Bill
he

01:37:15.73
Mike
slide my chair over hang on this is ah this is it all right i have a pen in my hand Hey. All right. Now I have. A pad of paper and a pen.

01:37:27.81
Mike
Go ahead, Bill.

01:37:27.83
Bill
Okay, right. Write down the name Bob, B-O-B.

01:37:31.38
Mike
As...

01:37:32.74
Bill
And then last name L-O-B. L-A-W okay don't say it out loud yet but that's so bob and then lob law okay

01:37:42.46
Mike
L-O-B-L-A-W, yeah, okay.

01:37:44.32
Bill
a be like Okay, so Scott Baio, this was an Arrested Development thing. i'm i'm Actually, i'm done I'm done watching the this series. It got stupid towards the end. They're onto their Netflix days when they were just trying to fill time and space and blah, blah, blah.

01:37:55.49
Bill
But anyhow, so Scott Baio came in.

01:37:55.67
Mike
yeah Okay.

01:37:58.02
Bill
as it So again, Henry Winkler was in it, Scott Baio.

01:38:01.25
Mike
Mmm.

01:38:02.10
Bill
uh,

01:38:02.25
Mike
Fonzie and Chachi.

01:38:03.86
Bill
Yeah, and Ron Howard does the narrating, so i mean it's this whole it's this whole thing.

01:38:06.02
Mike
Right.

01:38:07.22
Bill
It's just actually kind of funny. but so And I completely forgot that Scott Baio came in, and he was a he was an attorney, and that was his name, Bob, and that's his last name. So now say it say it out loud.

01:38:15.05
Mike
hu

01:38:16.69
Bill
Say it to together.

01:38:18.14
Mike
buth Blah blah blah.

01:38:22.19
Bill
That's... It's blah, blah, blah, law.

01:38:24.23
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

01:38:25.17
Bill
But when you say it, it's just like blah, blah, blah. and for like three or four episodes or five or whatever it was these half hour episodes i swear to christ every time they were they would say it i don't know why i was catching me i've watched the series i don't know three four times every time they're like oh yeah we're gonna go see blah blah blah

01:38:44.14
Bill
It just made me fucking laugh every goddamn time because his character, I mean, you know, Chachi, the fucking Yahoo character he was, he's just completely straight up and serious the entire time.

01:38:49.86
Mike
Mm-hmm

01:38:55.61
Mike
Right.

01:38:56.08
Bill
His whole character, if you ever get a chance to watch it, anyone does, I'm not going to give away the scenarios because the rest of the whole thing is kind of funny with him. Just the name. blah blah blah So, Eddie, I still can't fucking say it without laughing. But anyhow.

01:39:10.07
Mike
All right.

01:39:10.09
Bill
Anyhow. that That's it. I just had to i had to have you play along. so All right. I think I know, for one, I love you brother.

01:39:15.48
Mike
he I love you too.

01:39:18.48
Bill
And then I believe.

01:39:20.10
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:39:20.34
Bill
We'll talk soon.

01:39:21.40
Mike
We shall, sooner than usual.

01:39:23.40
Bill
Oh, yeah, yeah. What?

01:39:25.36
Mike
see

01:39:24.93
Bill
Thursday, right?

01:39:26.11
Mike
Y 'all.

01:39:26.100
Bill
ah yeah you know ah Oh, yeah. that's ah That's all perfect. I'll tell you i'll tell you later anyhow. All right. So I think, yeah, we're we're all we're all good, right?

01:39:33.90
Mike
We are good.

01:39:34.22
Bill
yeah

01:39:35.13
Mike
Sure.

01:39:36.34
Bill
Bye.

01:39:37.13
Mike
Blah blah blah.

01:39:38.45
Bill
ah