SoberNotMature - Episode 233 (Nice Beaver - So Sue Us)

00:00:02.10
Bill
Alright everyone, welcome once again to another another week of me having a voice like this and another episode of Sober, not mature, but yeah not a not a fucking chance in hell that I'm hitting a hitting a high note today.

00:00:06.97
Mike
Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

00:00:10.49
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:00:18.53
Bill
So

00:00:19.19
Mike
right

00:00:20.09
Bill
So, yeah, as everyone is is hearing here, I still have a voice thing. and The problem is is that it's better during the day, but I spend my day on the phone, so I burn out my voice a little bit. Not as much not as bad on a Friday as it is on a normal day because get off earlier.

00:00:30.07
Mike
er her

00:00:33.68
Bill
But, um yeah, just it's just the the thing of it. is So, first of all, last week when we recorded, we we got done. It was like almost at the nick of time, like almost getting caught in a thunderstorm, you know?

00:00:44.27
Mike
Mmm.

00:00:44.76
Bill
So after i got done and I'm working on the episode, of course, I'm not talking to anyone. I just working on shit and ended up going downstairs and um went to talk to Kathy real quick.

00:00:49.49
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:00:54.42
Bill
And so at it at that point, I mean, you know, I had I just start this just started to come on like a week ago, Friday, really. Well, Wednesday, Thursday. But then she's like, oh, my God. She's like, what? What? What's with you? I'm like, yeah, it just got worse. But give it another another two hour difference in us recording.

00:01:10.41
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:01:10.65
Bill
It would have been fucked. Saturday, my voice was terrible. Sunday was terrible. Monday got a little bit better.

00:01:15.27
Mike
All right.

00:01:17.37
Bill
Tuesday, back to work. um I ended up, but I took off at noon.

00:01:19.33
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:01:20.97
Bill
I don't feel bad. I feel a little run down.

00:01:23.13
Mike
Yeah.

00:01:23.57
Bill
But I mean, my voice was killed me by noon. So I took half a day on Tuesday.

00:01:26.01
Mike
Yeah.

00:01:28.92
Bill
ah Shot out of there two hours early on Wednesday for the same reason. And then yesterday was fine.

00:01:32.34
Mike
Uh huh.

00:01:33.72
Bill
it Today was fine. But I was just kind of like, I mean, I couldn't, I could talk, but it was, it was, it hurt, you know?

00:01:40.73
Mike
Right.

00:01:41.27
Bill
And, you know, I'm like, okay, so I do one of two things. Either I try to make it, you know, try to power power through, you know, or and make it fucking worse or, you know, just bite the bullet and take a little bit of time.

00:01:51.93
Bill
So i was like, well, well fuck it.

00:01:52.26
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:01:53.30
Bill
so So I had, you know, between Tuesday and in Wednesday, I had like, you know, obviously five or six hours to work on some of this other stuff that like the stuff that Kathy and I are working on.

00:01:54.23
Mike
Yeah.

00:02:04.00
Bill
So I've got, I got a head head start that because I haven't had time to do much on that.

00:02:04.25
Mike
Yeah.

00:02:07.30
Bill
yeah. It was, ah you know, on the on the sideline stuff was was pretty goddamn good.

00:02:07.74
Mike
Cool.

00:02:11.12
Bill
So but anyhow, so what we're we're farther in than than that minute and a half mark.

00:02:11.51
Mike
I'm all right. Well, good.

00:02:15.15
Mike
Yeah.

00:02:16.29
Bill
But hey, if you're a new listener. Yeah, this is this is sober, not mature.

00:02:17.87
Mike
Hmm. Yeah.

00:02:19.57
Bill
This is a podcast about colds and life and sobriety and whatever.

00:02:21.62
Mike
s Mm-hmm.

00:02:24.29
Bill
So, yeah, it's ah this is this is us.

00:02:26.33
Mike
So so no ah no codeine cough syrup for you?

00:02:30.01
Bill
No, and so so here's the thing. It's not just that I, you know, so I got two things to deal with. There are certain things I can't take because of this thing that we have, you know.

00:02:37.34
Mike
Right.

00:02:37.41
Bill
um this This disease is, they this oh, supposed disease, quote unquote.

00:02:41.36
Mike
Yeah.

00:02:43.19
Bill
So they call it a disease. um But yeah, so this whole alcoholism you know thing that that we have, you know, I don't, I've always taken non-drowsy whatever.

00:02:45.05
Mike
hey

00:02:51.70
Bill
But then I had to go and have a heart attack, you know.

00:02:53.94
Mike
Right.

00:02:53.98
Bill
So, yeah.

00:02:54.66
Mike
How dare you?

00:02:56.41
Bill
I know. So I had to do that. So that just limited. um There's basically, there's two things that I could take. Three. I can i can take cough drops. um that's That's fine.

00:03:04.02
Mike
Sure. Yes.

00:03:05.06
Bill
For the prescribed purpose these days, not when I was drinking and I did it to, you know, again, there's my yeah second or second quotes, air quotes, cover my breath.

00:03:08.38
Mike
Cover your breath.

00:03:14.30
Bill
um

00:03:14.30
Mike
Right. Right.

00:03:15.74
Bill
But then, yeah, there's, I can take um like a, i well, it's the Walmart brand, whatever it is, but Mucinex to loosen up if I've got a cough. And then um they have this specific cold medicine that that you can take.

00:03:23.57
Mike
Yeah.

00:03:28.34
Bill
Same type of thing for chest congestion and that sort of thing. There's nothing you can really take. I can't, with the heart medication that I'm taking, I can't take anything that's a decongestant.

00:03:37.82
Mike
Right.

00:03:38.52
Bill
You know, because it it's it it interacts with, you know, and I'm not taking like out of the ordinary medicine. It's, you know it's blood pressure. It's blood thinner. these other couple of things. um But all these things interact with it. So, yeah, I mean, I'm an alcoholic with heart disease.

00:03:51.64
Mike
Yeah.

00:03:51.96
Bill
So I'm kind of fucked when I get a cold, but... But, you know, so again, anyone that's new to listening, though, yeah, i did. I had a heart attack. I had two stents put in. But I went i went back to where my my heart output right now is. I'm almost, with well, I'm within the normal range now with a normal human being that never had anything happen.

00:04:10.87
Bill
So I bounce back as as good as I can for for the age I am and all sorts of things. So I don't know.

00:04:15.96
Mike
Great.

00:04:16.47
Bill
As far as I know, is unless i ah something else fucks up on me, ah I'm going to be around for a little bit.

00:04:20.06
Mike
Yeah. All right.

00:04:21.54
Bill
We we might make it to, we're on episode 234 now. We might might make it another couple episodes.

00:04:24.82
Mike
yeah

00:04:26.22
Bill
So.

00:04:26.97
Mike
na

00:04:27.93
Bill
But yeah, so that's where that's, that's what's up with me.

00:04:30.84
Mike
and Okay.

00:04:31.51
Bill
and I can barely laugh even. Jesus Christ.

00:04:33.98
Mike
yeah yeah Mike's probably not being funny tonight, so it'll be fine.

00:04:34.87
Bill
I'm going to be a mess. Okay. So if you have, you don't hear my, my, my laughing over here, it's not because Mike's not being funny tonight. it's just that, you know, I can't laugh. So

00:04:45.40
Bill
no, you know, I laugh at you all the time.

00:04:46.58
Mike
Just my existence.

00:04:47.04
Bill
Anyhow, I mean, it's just, Right. Yeah.

00:04:50.62
Mike
Yeah, I laugh at that too.

00:04:50.75
Bill
Well, just, just, just kind of in general, it's kind of what, kind of what we do, you know? So, but yeah, I've got, I've got plenty, I got plenty of things that we can, that we can chit chat about, I'm sure.

00:04:55.03
Mike
Yeah. All

00:04:59.99
Mike
no right.

00:05:00.16
Bill
And then you went to a, did you go to a baseball game last week?

00:05:03.45
Mike
um I ended up not going.

00:05:03.63
Bill
Did it? Oh, really?

00:05:06.05
Mike
Yeah, yeah, right.

00:05:06.09
Bill
Okay. So.

00:05:08.49
Mike
now i have So I had to get my ah my oil changed. Easy for me to say.

00:05:13.13
Bill
Right.

00:05:14.13
Mike
um

00:05:14.61
Bill
Earl. Earl.

00:05:15.19
Mike
Yeah, exactly. ah Saturday, I had a one o'clock appointment. at The dealership I got the car from gave me a couple of free ones for the first year so.

00:05:25.26
Mike
this was the second one i was getting it done it was free yeah it ain't nothing fucking free i got there at you know 10 to 1 right one o'clock appointment i didn't get out of there until almost four o'clock so yeah exactly they ended up giving me another free oil change so i have that to look forward to but um yeah so anyway at that point it was yeah and i still had to do my shopping and i was like you know what man and it was kind of rainy and i was just like i fucking dealing with going downtown and dealing with all that shit.

00:05:37.18
Bill
Oh my God.

00:05:55.67
Mike
So I laid on my couch and watched the game on TV. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah.

00:05:59.70
Bill
You know what? There's nothing, nothing wrong with that. Cause I know that, uh, I mean, there was the the chance of rain around here. i can't remember if it rained here on Saturday. I think it did later on in the day. Um, but, uh, yeah, i mean, I had, I've got recap of the, yeah I spent the time with the boys last weekend and stuff like that.

00:06:12.95
Mike
yeah

00:06:13.43
Bill
So yeah, I was going to say, yeah, you could give me a update on the baseball game, but there you just did.

00:06:17.08
Mike
No?

00:06:17.59
Bill
So let me, let me cross that off the baseball game.

00:06:17.98
Mike
Yeah, yeah. sir

00:06:20.19
Bill
That's that's been done. So, but yeah, mean, we got, we've got plenty, we got plenty of stuff to talk about.

00:06:21.69
Mike
It is, yes. um Sure.

00:06:25.81
Bill
So.

00:06:26.17
Mike
Yeah, why not?

00:06:27.67
Bill
Yeah, exactly. One way or the other, I'm i'm guessing we're we're probably going to fill the fucking time, you know, as we always do. so

00:06:32.47
Mike
Exactly.

00:06:34.23
Bill
All right. So um where where, pray tell, do you have a reading from this time? Is it from a billbook?

00:06:39.58
Mike
and As Bill sees it, Yep.

00:06:41.08
Bill
Look at that.

00:06:42.38
Mike
Yep. Yep. Yeah. I was, you know, um again, nothing jumped out of the other readings this week. And honestly, um i mean I'm really beginning to remember why I didn't get into Touchstones the first time around about 10 years ago.

00:06:59.26
Mike
i was like, it's it's it's all right. It's fine. But it's, yeah. Yeah. I don't think I'll be doing it a second time when the first of the year comes around. i will find another one.

00:07:11.26
Mike
Actually, the one that was recommended to us, the stumbling towards whatever, I think I'm going to pick that one up and and start that one on the first of the year.

00:07:16.41
Bill
oh yeah, yeah.

00:07:20.54
Mike
But I will get through touchstones. I will read the whole thing. I just don't think I'm doing it twice this time.

00:07:26.46
Bill
Yeah, you know, the the thing of it is, and i don't i don't completely disagree with you on that, um because the the thing of it is, is that every once in a while, it's, that well, first of all, it's the, that's my fourth book.

00:07:30.45
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:07:37.22
Bill
Whatever my fourth one is, I put, or whatever the book I rotate is going to be in that in that fourth spot.

00:07:37.58
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:07:41.16
Mike
Right.

00:07:42.26
Bill
um

00:07:42.44
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:07:43.67
Bill
And, you know, so, I mean, it's the last thing that I read. And a lot of times I'm looking for it as my, as my cleanup, you know, it's like, can I get a reading out of this one, you know?

00:07:46.42
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:07:51.42
Mike
Right.

00:07:52.25
Bill
And I mean, a reading that I want to post online.

00:07:54.78
Mike
Yeah.

00:07:55.09
Bill
And, you know, sometimes it's, again, it's the, the stuff that's talking a lot about men talking about, you know, a lot there's, they'll throw in some God shit in there.

00:07:55.54
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:07:59.56
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:08:02.49
Bill
And, and then, you know, which ah again, all is fine.

00:08:02.88
Mike
Mm-hmm. All right. All right.

00:08:05.46
Bill
And I'm like,

00:08:05.72
Mike
Well, yeah, it's, you know, I mean, that's part of my problem and it's supposed to be, the you know, the manly book. And, um, I don't know, a lot of times they, they kind of, uh, it's the old Adam Carolla thing in 50 years, we'll all be chicks.

00:08:19.77
Mike
Um, yeah, it's, you know, they kind of downplay some of the the attributes of being a man sometimes.

00:08:20.05
Bill
Right. Right.

00:08:26.93
Mike
And I'm just like, really? Okay. All right, fine. That's, you know, whatever, you know, downtone your, your masculinity and, and, and you know okay no no

00:08:34.32
Bill
Right.

00:08:40.18
Mike
did you see pictures of me from the 80s i don't need to down tone my masculinity these days yeah so anyway um i yeah you know it's it's fine um you know i i get something out of something every time i read something but yeah mm-hmm

00:08:54.91
Bill
Right. No, I, and like I said, I don't disagree with you. It's not one of those ones, but if I, if I do get here, the only good thing about that, that reading for me is that if I get a good reading, it's, it's not like it's okay.

00:09:02.54
Mike
mm-hmm

00:09:06.78
Bill
It's really fucking good.

00:09:07.51
Mike
Right.

00:09:07.86
Bill
You know, and one, so if I can post something out of there, it's usually one where i'm like, oh, this was really fucking good, you know, but it's the needle in the haystack throughout, you know, out of ah what whatever, 366 readings, you know, you might get, is there 20 in there?

00:09:13.40
Mike
Right. a

00:09:19.45
Mike
Right.

00:09:21.90
Bill
Is there 30? I don't know. You know, there's ah there's a small number of them, but they're their're fucking home runs once you get one.

00:09:25.72
Mike
Yeah.

00:09:27.54
Bill
But again, I don't disagree with you at at all.

00:09:27.77
Mike
Yeah.

00:09:30.26
Bill
at All right.

00:09:30.49
Mike
this is Yeah. So anyway, so this one's, ah yes, from EBS, Bill Sees It, and I was...

00:09:32.82
Bill
All right.

00:09:36.70
Mike
looking around and looking around and finally found, let's see, is this the one? Wait, I marked the page.

00:09:43.00
Bill
hey

00:09:43.68
Mike
Which one did I want to read? ah Yeah, I think. Oh, yeah, sure. Why not? Oh, yeah, this one.

00:09:51.13
Bill
hey

00:09:51.30
Mike
I just I don't know. and it's It's not even all that super simple but or whatever um profound but it's um i just thought it was kind of interesting so i thought i would share it with you and our listening audience um yes this is a from a grapevine from january 1962 and

00:10:00.23
Bill
Right.

00:10:07.03
Bill
Wonderful.

00:10:13.30
Mike
and as bill sees it bill wilson wrote this in the grapevine um how can you roll with a punch On the day that calamity of Pearl Harbor fell upon our country, a great friend of AA was walking along a St. Louis street.

00:10:30.71
Mike
Father Edward Dowling was not an alcoholic, but he had been one of the founders of the struggling AA group in his city. Because many of his usually sober...

00:10:42.29
Mike
Because many of his usually sober friends had already taken to their bottles that they might blot out the implications of the Pearl Harbor disaster, Father Ed was anguished by the thought that his cherished AA group would probably do the same.

00:10:59.41
Mike
Then a member, sober less than a year, stepped alongside and engaged Father Ed in a spirited conversation, mostly about AA. Father Ed saw with relief that his companion was perfectly sober.

00:11:14.87
Mike
How is it that you have nothing to say about Pearl Harbor? How can you roll with a punch like that? Well, replied the yearling, each of us in AA has already had his own private Pearl Harbor. So why should we drunks crack up over this one?

00:11:32.50
Mike
That's it.

00:11:34.10
Bill
Okay. So, um, I mean that, that, that, like you said, you know, kind of, kind of interesting ah if nothing else.

00:11:39.70
Mike
Yeah.

00:11:40.39
Bill
So, so stepping back real quick. So father Ed was not one of us, but he's the one that founded the group.

00:11:44.95
Mike
Right.

00:11:46.26
Bill
And if I'm catching it right, kind of stayed there because in case somebody else, all these other dudes started drinking that somebody was there with, to keep the doors open.

00:11:54.42
Mike
yeah um No, i'm not that. No, he was just um even clearly a father who had a lot of drunks in his parish, um found the AA thing and started the group in St.

00:11:56.91
Bill
No.

00:12:01.75
Bill
Okay.

00:12:05.66
Mike
Louis early on, clearly 1942. So AA, what, was six years old, seven years old? Yeah, right. And probably by the time it got to St. Louis, you know, why I don't remember what year the Saturday Evening Post thing came out, but...

00:12:20.76
Mike
um I want to say 39. So, you know, kind of went nationwide only a couple of years before that. So, ah you know, this father said, oh, this is pretty fucking cool.

00:12:31.26
Mike
I'm going to get this going here in St. Louis. um Yeah. Yeah. That's all. Just ah he was he wasn't a drunk, but he thought it was a pretty good idea that maybe it could help some people. So he got it going in St.

00:12:42.38
Bill
Okay.

00:12:42.52
Mike
Louis. um

00:12:43.13
Bill
Well, that that makes sense. And I don't know that I've ever, if I've heard of that, I sort i sure as hell don't remember it, you know, that that sort of thing.

00:12:44.18
Mike
Yeah.

00:12:48.70
Mike
Right.

00:12:49.76
Bill
But I mean, not that, I mean, why would I, I guess, but I mean, maybe again, you know, stranger things have happened where I've remembered, you know, some of these, some of these stories that are, you know, like just kind of backroom stories like that, that, that I end up remembering.

00:12:51.99
Mike
Yeah.

00:13:00.29
Mike
Yeah.

00:13:02.58
Bill
So, But the, but the gist of it and is that, okay, so Pearl Harbor guy comes up to shoot the shit, doesn't mention it. Father asked why. And then, you know, again, we've all had our own thing, blah, blah, blah.

00:13:10.23
Mike
Right.

00:13:12.87
Bill
So um what is your, and I get the gist of where it's going.

00:13:13.10
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:13:16.55
Bill
I think I've got some ideas on it, but so what are, what are your thoughts on, on that, on the the whole mindset of that?

00:13:16.82
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

00:13:22.39
Mike
um Well, I mean, it's, it's about, um, it comes down to January 6th, right? You know, it doesn't fucking matter what's going on anywhere, anytime outside, they fucking bomb the country.

00:13:29.69
Bill
Hmm.

00:13:35.96
Mike
They, you know, um, I mean, you and I were coming up on September 11th. Um, you know, I mean, I know I was drunk when it happened. Um, yeah, you know, very far from being sober.

00:13:46.15
Bill
Right.

00:13:50.77
Mike
Um, And um yeah, you know, I just, um yeah, you know, it doesn't it doesn't matter what the fuck goes on in the world. um You know, our sobriety is important and we've already been through all kinds of shit.

00:14:06.17
Mike
um So any, we've got to remember that. And yeah, I've got to remember that. And you know, once so so when some new form of shit storm hits my face, Um, yeah, you know, I gotta to go, Hey man, I've been through it already. I know what hell's like, you know, I don't need to, I certainly don't need to get loaded to deal with it. Um, you know, I made it through before I'll make it through again and I'll make it through better sober.

00:14:32.78
Bill
Right.

00:14:33.27
Mike
Yeah.

00:14:33.94
Bill
Well, and you know, the, the, the other thing I thought about too, is how, you know, how poignant for, or, um, how topical, I guess that point, but how topical it is for, you know, for me right now, you know, in the, in the world and in all this, um, you know, this, let's just call it turmoil, you know, whether it's, whether it's here within our, you know, our, our country's borders or, you know, overseas or whatever, there's a lot of shit going on.

00:14:41.42
Mike
Hmm.

00:14:45.04
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:14:47.29
Mike
Yeah.

00:14:50.33
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:14:55.53
Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 2,000 years.

00:14:57.18
Bill
I mean, a ton, you know, um And there has been for the last, you know, whether it's been five years or 10 years or, you know, it it it is what it is.

00:15:02.90
Mike
Uh-huh. Right.

00:15:05.02
Bill
But, um you know, Right. But I mean, you know, you and I talk about it all all the time. You know, it's like, is this happening to us now? You know, is is the are the things happening to us now?

00:15:13.05
Mike
ah ha

00:15:15.93
Mike
right

00:15:16.34
Bill
Or on top of that, you know, what can we do about it? I mean, I can't I know I can't. but It's like um i i don't know. It's kind of like recycling when I and this is a bad example. But I think about this with recycling.

00:15:26.48
Bill
I do the best i can. I don't want to make things worse. But I'm also not going to go out of my way to I'm not going to be, you know, this this whatever you want to call it, um this heroic guy running it around trying to recycle the planet, you know, but I don't want to make it worse, you know.

00:15:38.14
Mike
Right. okay Right.

00:15:41.81
Bill
And the same thing with with all the shit that's going on. I can't fix what's in I can't fix what's in the White House. I can't fix what's in local government necessarily.

00:15:49.08
Mike
Right.

00:15:49.53
Bill
You know, I can't fix the way that people are um are viewed upon and talked about. And, you know, all these one of these changes to these laws and these ordinances and all these things are happening. But I don't have to you know perpetuate a problem and I don't have to make it worse.

00:16:02.36
Bill
I don't have to be part of.

00:16:02.71
Mike
Right.

00:16:03.48
Bill
I can be part of the solution these days and not the problem.

00:16:03.96
Mike
Right.

00:16:06.24
Bill
Maybe I can't fix it, but at least I'm not making it worse is kind of the way I look at it, right?

00:16:07.99
Mike
right Yep. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Right. And you know, and so in the reading, right, you know, this guy was clearly he's a normie.

00:16:20.01
Mike
He believes in, in, in AA and he's working for it and all that stuff in the early days of it.

00:16:22.70
Bill
Right.

00:16:25.01
Mike
Um, you know and he's it And because he's a normie, he's you know a little freaked out because you know his his his other fellow normies out there are already fucking getting loaded over this this horrible thing that happened you know to our society.

00:16:40.86
Mike
And he's like, oh, shit, man. Well, the drunks are really going to fucking go for it. You know, and and and he, i find I find it interesting that, you know, even though he's working for and with and a part of Alcoholics Anonymous, he's not an alcoholic.

00:16:56.21
Mike
So he doesn't, he he's not prepared for, you know, no, I'm not going to get drunk over this, man. Yeah, the normies are, sure. Yeah, they can't fucking handle it.

00:17:06.41
Mike
That's how they they deal, you know, with huge things. But, you know, the little stuff and the day-to-day stuff, they stay sober for, know. You know, where us, you know, it didn't fucking matter.

00:17:16.68
Mike
The little tiny things were wonderful excuses to get loaded. You know, we were always looking for an excuse to get loaded. Sometimes we didn't even, we'd make up excuses to get loaded.

00:17:27.32
Bill
Yeah, or it's just, I mean, it's it's Tuesday. Why wouldn't I drink, you know?

00:17:29.40
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:17:29.92
Bill
I mean, I woke up.

00:17:30.20
Mike
Exactly. Yeah.

00:17:31.65
Bill
i mean yeah i guess i got to I'm going to drink today.

00:17:32.28
Mike
Yeah, right. Yeah.

00:17:34.57
Bill
There's that idea of a fucking question.

00:17:34.78
Mike
Yeah. You know, right. Yeah. You know, and again, find it, make shit up, you know, oh the sun, it's a beautiful day. The sun's out. i think I'll get loaded.

00:17:42.18
Bill
Right?

00:17:42.97
Mike
Oh, it's rainy. It's shitty out. I think I'll get loaded. Yeah.

00:17:46.16
Bill
Right?

00:17:46.77
Mike
Didn't matter. Yeah. yeah But so, you know, again, another example of even someone who, you know, believes in in what we're doing and in in kind of, you know, understands it and whatever can't completely, not the way we can, you know, which I think is kind of cool.

00:18:01.92
Bill
Right.

00:18:04.54
Bill
Yeah, and you know, 9-11 is actually, ah that's an interesting thing, because I mean, it's like it's like the pandemic.

00:18:08.06
Mike
m

00:18:08.90
Bill
I mean, you know nobody knew what was going on with the pandemic, and even though you know the shit, this whole 9-11 stuff, I mean, the um obviously it hit you know our country, you know but still, i mean, where where else could it have, or what what else was the big plan?

00:18:09.69
Mike
m

00:18:12.34
Mike
Right.

00:18:17.94
Mike
the

00:18:21.34
Bill
Who knows? you know I mean, this is all all this shit for whatever could have happened anywhere, you know and had just a couple of key decisions, and you know obviously they stopped it all, um or stopped the big majority of it, but

00:18:22.14
Mike
Right. Oh, yeah.

00:18:30.42
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

00:18:32.95
Bill
um You know, the same thing with the pandemic, though. I mean, the we talked about it, i don't know, whatever it was. we were talking to one of the guys we had on recently. It might have been might have been Austin. But, um you know, about the it it blew my mind in the best possible way um how well the recovery community, um you know, adapted to this this global thing that went on, you know.

00:18:41.76
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:18:49.48
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right. Mm-hmm.

00:18:53.39
Bill
And like you said, other people just losing their fucking minds. They don't know what to do.

00:18:55.99
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

00:18:57.11
Bill
You know, and like you said, I mean, therere I listen to the same thing. Sober Motivation, I listen to a lot. Those are these, you know, these structured stories. And there's so many of them that, you know, take place where it's either right at the beginning of the pandemic.

00:19:04.56
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:19:10.10
Bill
It was it involves the pandemic somewhere in there in their I Got Sober story, you know. And there's hardly any of them that, you know, kind of like, okay, well, it's pandemic. I'm going to chill out for a little bit.

00:19:20.83
Bill
um It gave me a great excuse to to chill out.

00:19:21.05
Mike
Right.

00:19:23.27
Bill
You know i know, I know a lot of people got sober during that time frame.

00:19:23.55
Mike
Yeah.

00:19:26.23
Bill
And our our you know friend Gretchen G is ah is one of the ones, you know, that that did.

00:19:29.33
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:19:30.57
Bill
But there's also a ton of people that fell off and people that had been sober for fucking years that Because they they didn't have that foundation.

00:19:33.95
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:19:37.41
Bill
But like you and I talk about, and I don't think we're we're not fucking great or anything like that.

00:19:37.98
Mike
Right.

00:19:42.05
Bill
It's just that we we spent at that point, that was 10 years.

00:19:42.04
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:19:46.26
Bill
you know We were coming up on our 10-year anniversary that year in April.

00:19:46.71
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:19:49.59
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

00:19:50.82
Bill
um and And at that point, we had just we had just done all the work up to that point to to prepare us for, I don't want to say anything, but well, clearly that because you know we got we got through it.

00:19:51.31
Mike
Yeah.

00:19:57.18
Mike
Right.

00:20:00.25
Mike
Right. Yeah. Well, I think, you know, I mean, in my opinion of that is we weren't church basement dwellers either.

00:20:10.92
Mike
You know, I mean, we were doing the work on a daily basis.

00:20:11.29
Bill
Right.

00:20:15.18
Mike
We're doing it in our lives, in our heads, in our hearts, in our but whatever. But, you know, yeah, yeah wait yeah I stopped at heart.

00:20:20.41
Bill
In our soul. You always went there.

00:20:24.98
Mike
Yeah.

00:20:25.02
Bill
It's okay.

00:20:25.50
Mike
Right. the the bile was rising up when I said heart.

00:20:28.60
Bill
hey

00:20:29.18
Mike
um If I'd have said soul, I'd have vomited. um but but But seriously, i mean, I think, you know, ah like you said, people with years and years and years, but I mean, my opinion...

00:20:42.36
Mike
ah my anecdotal evidence of that were those were the people that were like living in fucking church basements. And once they couldn't go there anymore, they fucking got loaded because they didn't know what else to do.

00:20:55.04
Mike
And that's fucking sad, man.

00:20:55.32
Bill
Right.

00:20:58.08
Mike
You know? Um, I mean, her you know, right. That shit happened and everything shut down and we were like, Hmm, okay, well, I'm still going to get up in the morning and do my readings and, and, you know, and try to be a nice person.

00:21:12.69
Mike
And, you know yeah whatever it's the inside job shit that bob talks about all the time you know um yeah you know that none of that changed with the pandemic you know i mean i i've talked about it on here and i i kind of you know once it really started rolling and locked down and all i liked it you know i mean because i went to work every day because i was essential hey look at me i'm essential Um, but yeah, you know, so I mean, you know, the roads were emptier and, you know, I go shopping once a week as it is, no matter what's going on.

00:21:29.46
Bill
fish hey Right, yeah.

00:21:37.27
Bill
Right.

00:21:43.22
Bill
Yeah.

00:21:47.62
Mike
So I went into a store once a week and got the shit I needed for the week. Like I always had, I mean, basically, you know, other than not being able to go to my home group, um,

00:21:53.34
Bill
Right.

00:21:59.48
Mike
my life didn't change all that damn much.

00:22:01.99
Bill
Right.

00:22:02.04
Mike
Um, you know, and I continued to do everything I had done up to that point minus, you know, going to a church basement once a week, you know, um, I was still available if anybody wanted to call me, not like the phone shut down.

00:22:16.00
Mike
Um, yeah. You know, so, I mean, people with quote unquote long-term sobriety that fell off because of the pandemic, um, that's, um, yeah, exactly.

00:22:26.17
Bill
Yeah, there's more there's more going on than just that, you know, clearly, clearly.

00:22:29.02
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:22:30.46
Bill
Yeah, and you know, at at that time, i had the I was running that Saturday meeting in the group in Mequon, and that was, I was still, I was actually looking, i was in between like physical jobs at that point, but I got that job at that collection agency down in Milwaukee starting as of June of 2020.

00:22:35.77
Mike
listen

00:22:42.94
Mike
Right.

00:22:47.46
Bill
So, I mean, it wasn't that far into it when I got that job, and I went to work every day.

00:22:49.63
Mike
Right.

00:22:51.10
Bill
um

00:22:51.13
Mike
Right.

00:22:52.50
Bill
And then I remember the and I so I probably went to maybe every once in a while I go to a Wednesday or ah or a Tuesday meeting, you know, that sort of thing pop in.

00:23:00.41
Mike
is

00:23:01.58
Bill
But I mean, at that point, you know, and you said this be before, I mean, for three years and the same thing that and've I've said it before. i You know, we all know that you go to the one meeting, you go to be a service, you do that every week, you know, with very few exceptions, unless you're out of town or whatever the case is.

00:23:13.02
Mike
Yep. Yep.

00:23:16.22
Mike
Right.

00:23:17.12
Bill
um I don't, I don't go to meetings when I'm out about, um you know, and that sort of thing.

00:23:17.16
Mike
Yeah.

00:23:20.04
Mike
Yeah.

00:23:21.27
Bill
But when I come back to Cleveland, and I do. But I don't go, I go to see people.

00:23:23.03
Mike
okay

00:23:25.51
Bill
I go because I want to see, I want to see our, you know, our sponsor, Joe.

00:23:25.98
Mike
Yeah.

00:23:28.27
Bill
I want to see who else, whoever the fuck else is going to be there.

00:23:28.84
Mike
Right.

00:23:30.87
Bill
I want to see these people.

00:23:31.19
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:23:32.03
Bill
um And then that's the same thing I was doing Mequon. I was running that meeting on Saturday, which I really, really liked to do.

00:23:39.22
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:23:39.43
Bill
it was a lot of fun, but I mean, there was people there that I liked to see every week and I enjoyed that group. And then, um you know, so when all that happened, and I remember that somebody had, i think we were going back and forth on ah on a Facebook, yeah I think it was a Facebook page, you know, for that group.

00:23:46.60
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:23:54.33
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:23:55.73
Bill
And, um you know, somebody's like, hey, is ah is anyone going to, you I think my name was mentioned because I ran that meeting.

00:24:00.75
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

00:24:01.78
Bill
You know, are you are you going to do the the meeting this week? Whatever it was. We were a month into this where people still didn't know what the hell was going on.

00:24:05.72
Mike
Right. Right.

00:24:07.34
Bill
Things were open, but, you know, and then I'm like, I'm like, I'm not, I'm not going in person anymore.

00:24:07.54
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

00:24:12.94
Bill
I'm like, I don't, I don't know what this is yet.

00:24:12.98
Mike
Right.

00:24:15.06
Bill
And I'm like, then I'm i'm still i' at that point, you know, thinking of mom and whatever.

00:24:15.45
Mike
Yeah.

00:24:18.59
Bill
cause We didn't know everything's going to be shut down and whatever.

00:24:18.62
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm. Right.

00:24:21.03
Bill
So i'm like, oh I'm not going to like, you're not going to go to the meeting.

00:24:21.42
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:24:23.39
Bill
Like, that's no, I'm not going to go.

00:24:24.79
Mike
Yeah.

00:24:24.92
Bill
So somebody else wants to go. That's fine. Like, well, we're thinking about maybe moving it virtual.

00:24:26.55
Mike
Yeah.

00:24:28.44
Bill
I said, dude, fuck you want to do. But I said, I'm not, I am not physically showing up. So somebody else take the reins.

00:24:32.60
Mike
Right.

00:24:33.55
Bill
Cause I'm not, I'm just not doing it anymore. don't feel safe.

00:24:35.37
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:24:35.56
Bill
You know?

00:24:36.25
Mike
Yeah.

00:24:36.47
Bill
Um, but, but the same thing is if I remember at that point, you know, I was on an Instagram, but I remember going on Facebook, sorry, I remember going on Facebook and, you know, um, you sent me a couple of links and I sent you a link to something.

00:24:50.75
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:24:51.42
Bill
And then, you know, a friend of a friend would send this thing.

00:24:51.93
Mike
Right.

00:24:54.10
Bill
So we got part of all these, you know, Facebook groups.

00:24:57.09
Mike
Yeah.

00:24:57.25
Bill
Um, hang on, I'm going to, I got to cough.

00:24:59.51
Mike
He's got a cough, folks. He's going to hack into his microphone and then be right back.

00:25:03.60
Bill
No, I'm good. So you you should just keep like, oh, ah here's the thing. Grab grab your ah God Grant Me book. Just to open it up to any reading. If I ever got a mute, just start reading lines the book.

00:25:12.97
Mike
Well, I don't have it with me, so.

00:25:13.19
Bill
Just, oh, okay. Read as Bill sees it or whatever.

00:25:17.21
Mike
but Right. I'll just grab. Yeah. Yeah.

00:25:18.94
Bill
start reading Just start reading anything. It doesn't fucking matter.

00:25:20.81
Mike
Yeah.

00:25:21.62
Bill
um But the the whole point was is that i was like, God, this is kind of cool because we had all these resources.

00:25:28.41
Mike
yeah

00:25:28.58
Bill
Then you start to see online meetings and whatever. And then, you know, obviously things went as they went. You know, but, um, the whole point with, with all of that, going back to this, this situation here is that, yeah, like you, you said it, I think perfectly is I've already seen hell and I've been there.

00:25:42.74
Mike
Yep.

00:25:43.12
Bill
Um, I, I understand it, you know, and so it's, it's fine.

00:25:43.42
Mike
Yep. Yeah.

00:25:45.80
Bill
I don't need to, need to go wallow back in, in hell. I don't even need to even need to, you know, soak my feet in fucking hell right now.

00:25:48.34
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:25:51.16
Mike
Right. Exactly.

00:25:52.25
Bill
Same thing.

00:25:52.72
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:25:52.81
Bill
i don't need to get involved in all the shit that's going on in the world. It's not that I don't care. It's not that I don't have an opinion on some things because I do, you know, but um I've got to be really careful as as you were just alluding to also is that, you know, the January 6th, I got to be really, really careful.

00:25:57.12
Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

00:26:04.92
Mike
Yeah.

00:26:07.61
Mike
Yeah.

00:26:07.94
Bill
What what am I willing to, um you know, get get involved in? It might take me down a weird path. i don't want to be there, you know.

00:26:14.36
Mike
Exactly. Yeah, right. Exactly. Singleness of purpose.

00:26:17.96
Bill
Right.

00:26:18.36
Mike
Yeah, exactly. um You know, I mean, the most important thing in my life is fucking staying sober. And the rest of it is...

00:26:24.79
Bill
Today.

00:26:25.84
Mike
Yeah, thank you. and Yeah, and the rest of it is... Yeah. You know, and, and the acceptance and, you know, and bring down the serenity prayer, man, you know, can I fucking do anything about it? And I, thankfully, you know, by doing all this work, I have a little bit of wisdom in my head today and I can, I can make those decisions. I can make those choices and, You know, is there something I can do? Can I make it better? No. Okay. Well then I'm not going to be involved at all.

00:26:55.90
Mike
You know, and if it's going to affect my sobriety in any way, I'm definitely not going to fucking be involved.

00:27:02.27
Bill
Right.

00:27:02.33
Mike
So yeah. You know, I mean, whatever. Why aren't you doing anything? Well, because it's going to fuck with me. And um no, thank you.

00:27:10.58
Bill
Right.

00:27:10.68
Mike
But it's, but it's important. Not to me. It's not. You know, there's one thing that's fucking important to me and and the byproducts of that are what are important to me. Not whatever nonsense the world is churning into itself or out of itself or yeah, no, no, thank you.

00:27:29.32
Bill
Right. You know, I had a situation recently and I'm going I'm going to talk about this very, very vaguely because it's it's nobody's nobody's business. I don't think I even told you about this. But um so it was a situation with somebody I knew when there was a basically a situation where I could have been a part of something that supports some people, you know.

00:27:47.41
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:27:48.09
Bill
And um had planned on it and this and that, and then ended up getting a phone call and then talking to talking to another person. they you know that One person's like, hey, you should talk to this person. where we kind of want to let you know what's going on with this whole thing.

00:27:57.57
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:28:00.18
Mike
Sure.

00:28:00.22
Bill
And what it turned out being is this, there was a there was a thing behind the thing. okay So there was there was drama.

00:28:07.64
Mike
Yes.

00:28:08.09
Bill
And there was a a ton of it and they were explaining it to me.

00:28:08.17
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:28:12.18
Bill
And, and like, oh, we just want to let you know before you, you know, um, ah showed up or whatever.

00:28:12.39
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:28:18.38
Bill
And I said, you know what?

00:28:18.87
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:28:19.14
Bill
I said, I'm not going to come.

00:28:21.08
Mike
Yeah.

00:28:21.85
Bill
And, you know, these are people that i are very close to and I care about and I love and all that stuff.

00:28:24.45
Mike
Mm-hmm. Sure. Mm-hmm.

00:28:25.89
Bill
um And I said, I'll tell you why. I said, I don't want to be part of the problem. You know, as I said, you add something. yeah i i know how people are.

00:28:33.56
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:28:33.85
Bill
You add everyone that's already involved. is Everyone else knows that everyone knows. You know, you get a new person involved.

00:28:38.62
Mike
Sure. Sure. Uh-huh.

00:28:40.62
Bill
It's like, oh this person hasn't been here in a minute. So let's go up. And and I'm like, I don't want to be that. i don't want to be that person.

00:28:46.30
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:28:47.38
Bill
So I don't want to be the distraction. That's number one. But I said on top of it, I said, like, i don't I just don't, I don't need the drama. I just don't, you know, I said, if I.

00:28:53.56
Mike
Right. i don't I don't see where, yeah, I understand. i don't see where I could be of help. i'm not goingnna I'm not going to resolve anything.

00:28:59.95
Bill
Right.

00:29:02.30
Mike
I'm just going to i'm just goingnna wade into the fucking muck, and then I'll have muck on me.

00:29:08.83
Bill
Right.

00:29:09.24
Mike
Yeah.

00:29:09.94
Bill
No mucking way. No mucking way.

00:29:11.10
Mike
Yeah.

00:29:11.50
Bill
I was going to do it.

00:29:12.60
Mike
Sure.

00:29:13.40
Bill
But what, what I ended up saying was I said, but you know, pass along my, my thoughts to the, to the main person that was going to be involved in this.

00:29:19.77
Mike
Sure.

00:29:20.86
Bill
Um, I said, I, if you could do that for me, I said, and they're like, oh yeah, absolutely. We will, you know,

00:29:25.48
Mike
Yeah.

00:29:25.78
Bill
So, um, and that was a tough one. Cause as soon as I heard about this thing, I'm like, that this, the way this whole thing came up, I mean, is, um, I i didn't, I wasn't an obligation. I just wanted to be there, you know, if I, if I could to be supportive.

00:29:36.87
Mike
Yeah.

00:29:39.61
Bill
Um, but as soon as I would either be, you know, the, the new piece in this, in this fucked up puzzle, which I don't want to be. Um, you know, or like I said, I don't need the, I just don't need the fucking drama.

00:29:50.33
Bill
You know, um, I don't need to drive 10 minutes away for drama, let alone, you know, a bigger distance away to get to, to go, go see some drama, you know?

00:29:56.14
Mike
Right. Yeah. Yeah. Good. right

00:30:01.02
Bill
I'm just not, I'm just not going to do it. and And like I said, it was a, it was a tough thing, you know, that for me to make that decision. And, you know, there was even, it wasn't even pushback.

00:30:07.22
Mike
who

00:30:08.92
Bill
i was like, oh don't, don't worry it. You're not going to. i'm like, yeah, I'm just, this is, this is what I feel. I said, no offense to anyone, but I just think this is the best thing for me, you know?

00:30:16.73
Mike
yeah yeah

00:30:17.88
Bill
And, uh, and, you know, they, they understood, you know? So, but, uh, yeah, it was, it just made, I hadn't thought about that.

00:30:20.18
Mike
good

00:30:23.40
Bill
i know I hadn't told you yet, you and I haven't had a chance to talk about it, but, um, Yeah, it was just that again, you know that I don't know, you just like you said, you know why?

00:30:24.82
Mike
he he

00:30:32.87
Bill
What's the fucking point? You know, we've I've already been I've already been there, you know, years ago.

00:30:34.01
Mike
Yeah.

00:30:36.92
Mike
yeah

00:30:37.15
Bill
I would have been like, oh, let's go see what's up with this shit.

00:30:38.78
Mike
ah Yeah. Yeah. oh Yeah, right. Where's my stick? I want to start stirring.

00:30:44.47
Bill
Right. Yeah, like there's got there's got to be some shit going on here that I could if nothing else, it's going to be something to I'm going to get a good story out of it.

00:30:44.79
Mike
Yep, yeah, yeah. yeah Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

00:30:51.81
Bill
and I'm like, I just these days I'm like, I don't need no fucking stories.

00:30:51.96
Mike
ah Exactly. i'd been Back to the Pearl Harbor. I got enough stories.

00:30:57.79
Bill
Right?

00:30:58.39
Mike
Thank you very much. Yeah. Don't need any more. Yeah.

00:31:02.46
Bill
Yeah, exactly.

00:31:02.46
Mike
Yeah.

00:31:04.63
Bill
But, um, I'm sorry, go ahead.

00:31:04.75
Mike
Yeah. i I don't know. Mm hmm.

00:31:10.42
Bill
I was just going to say what else? I know it's a short reading, but, uh, what else?

00:31:13.34
Mike
is is

00:31:14.56
Bill
What else from the reading? Anything, anything in addition to what we have?

00:31:17.88
Mike
No, you know, I think we we pretty much covered that quite well.

00:31:21.98
Bill
Chopped it up.

00:31:22.74
Mike
Yes, we did.

00:31:22.94
Bill
Let's chop this up. Yeah.

00:31:24.18
Mike
Yes.

00:31:24.31
Bill
Like that's what the kids say these days. You know, we're good.

00:31:25.91
Mike
Is that what the kids say?

00:31:27.42
Bill
I've heard it, you know, chop, chop it up a little bit.

00:31:28.06
Mike
ah

00:31:29.14
Bill
they yeah Get together and, you know, chop it up.

00:31:31.48
Mike
yeah those kids are now 30.

00:31:31.62
Bill
you know

00:31:32.94
Mike
Right. 40-year-olds are kids to me now.

00:31:33.88
Bill
I know, but I mean, they're kids are kids, man.

00:31:36.36
Mike
Yep, right.

00:31:37.14
Bill
Kids are fucking kids.

00:31:39.30
Mike
forty year olds are kids to me now

00:31:41.43
Bill
Yeah. Well, exactly. and Well, ah shit. My, my daughter, no well your daughter.

00:31:44.16
Mike
yep right

00:31:45.02
Bill
Yeah. We've got, we've got, all well, I've got an almost, and you've got a 40 year old.

00:31:48.18
Mike
Yes.

00:31:48.22
Bill
So did where, when is the

00:31:50.42
Mike
Oh, yeah.

00:31:51.06
Bill
Oh That's what I thought. I'm like, yeah, she is 40 now.

00:31:52.28
Mike
Yeah.

00:31:52.82
Bill
Yeah.

00:31:53.04
Mike
Oh, yeah. Mm-hmm.

00:31:53.94
Bill
Okay. But, um, okay. So no, nothing else from as Bill sees a good reading. I, and even though it was short one, I mean, Jesus Christ, we still don't get 25 minutes out of that cup conversation.

00:31:58.52
Mike
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. i thought it was just I thought it was just an interesting story that I thought I'd share with everyone.

00:32:07.19
Bill
Right.

00:32:11.00
Bill
but All right, so um so I get it. Well, we have a we have the mailbag. The mailbag for a podcast thing, but then the mailbag for a little update here. So first thing, the update, I just got to see this email ah earlier today, and our recording studio, Zencaster, we've talked about it enough.

00:32:21.54
Mike
All right.

00:32:30.02
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:32:30.74
Bill
um

00:32:31.20
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:32:32.28
Bill
Tuesday, they are we're launching the next generation of Zencaster. We wanted to give you a heads up.

00:32:35.93
Mike
Oh, no.

00:32:36.96
Bill
I know. And that's the first thing I thought about.

00:32:37.81
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:32:40.89
Bill
First thing I thought about, but it said that, so, I mean, it's, you know, times outside of it. Tuesday, August 11th from 3 a.m. to 9 a.m. Eastern, which, you know, again, doesn't, you know, interrupt us at all.

00:32:51.89
Bill
But I'll plan on going on Tuesday afternoon or Tuesday night and make sure.

00:32:52.28
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:32:54.92
Bill
Because it's it's saying, you know, if you've got recordings coming up, better better to take up take a peek at it before you start recording so you can kind of make your way around.

00:32:55.29
Mike
Yeah.

00:33:01.10
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:33:02.12
Bill
But then, yeah, that was the second thing where, you know, first I'm looking at, so what's up? And then I'm like, oh, God, I hope they don't.

00:33:06.75
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:33:07.50
Bill
I hope they're not trying to copy somebody else, you know.

00:33:09.08
Mike
Yeah, right. Yeah, please don't add too many bells and whistles because we don't fucking want them.

00:33:14.71
Bill
Yeah. And if if they do that, I mean, we'll end up by, I mean, if we have to fuck it, we'll switch again. We're not contracted to them.

00:33:19.58
Mike
Yeah?

00:33:20.35
Bill
So, um, I mean, we don't need this, this has been, you know, whatever it's been now, two years, you know, that we've, that we've been on this and, uh, and that just came up in May.

00:33:20.57
Mike
No.

00:33:25.91
Mike
Yeah. Mm hmm.

00:33:29.10
Bill
Cause I was in, uh, I know I figured it out at one point I was in Branson when the first, um, episode we did on here, but,

00:33:35.99
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:33:36.31
Bill
And we've had, you know, we've literally had three times and it's been within the last year, you know, but three times when they've had issues.

00:33:40.36
Mike
Right.

00:33:42.31
Bill
And I'm wondering if they're doing something because of whatever, you know, technical issues they have, you know, between servers and whatever and figuring and that, okay, we're just going to some updates and whatever.

00:33:45.24
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:33:50.35
Bill
But I don't know, just so you know, we're going to have that.

00:33:50.84
Mike
Right.

00:33:53.67
Bill
I will, I will check it out and be diligent with it. But yeah, we're, we're getting some sort of a, some sort of a fucking update.

00:33:56.50
Mike
Okay. yeah Yeah, exactly.

00:33:59.57
Bill
So.

00:34:00.66
Mike
Wonderful. yeah they just ah Yeah, I was without television for two fucking days because they updated our system.

00:34:07.63
Bill
Oh, really?

00:34:07.80
Mike
yeah Yeah, well, it was it was out for a day.

00:34:08.44
Bill
Nice.

00:34:10.48
Mike
so They were all around the neighborhood in the bucket trucks and shit doing stuff. um Actually, once they finally got it all figured out, I think the picture's a little bit better and supposedly the internet's faster too.

00:34:23.40
Mike
I haven't really noticed one way or another, but we'll see um yeah but it was you while they were updating it was fucking i didn't have shit yeah there was we're gonna work on it during the day yeah you don't you'd have been screwed if you were here yeah because i was out for like an entire day i think it was tuesday yeah and it was supposed to be done by five and i didn't get internet back until like 7 30 at night and

00:34:33.25
Bill
Right.

00:34:40.82
Bill
Oh, yeah.

00:34:51.10
Mike
Oh, yeah, it was fun. And like I said, and the television, um once it came back on, was all pixelated and choppy and fucked up for like two days.

00:34:59.70
Bill
Really? Right.

00:35:00.12
Mike
Yeah, it was fun. And um so, um you know, i use an app, right, for work. We've got like ah an app that we do most of our stuff with on a phone, you know.

00:35:07.17
Bill
Right.

00:35:12.37
Mike
arriving and you know sending paperwork and messaging and blah blah blah blah it's all on our phones yeah well luckily cleveland ohio our fleet we're we're test we're beta testing a new fucking version of it so it's oh god it's been a mess of it's it's getting better it's better like

00:35:25.59
Bill
Right. Really?

00:35:30.90
Mike
bad two weeks now maybe maybe three um since we started this thing but yeah everybody everybody else in the country i think there's a couple of other smaller fleets that are testing it too but uh we're one of them one of maybe three in the entire country who's dealing with this new shit and uh yeah Oh, when they first, when we first went on with it, cause like they told us they were all, well, you're still going to access to the old one.

00:35:56.97
Mike
We're just going to have you guys testing the new one, blah blah, blah, blah, blah. Now, as soon as we fucking downloaded the new one, the old one was gone.

00:36:03.66
Bill
Oh, really?

00:36:04.77
Mike
Yup. No access to it at all. Um, yeah, it's so, you know, it's getting easier, but yes, upgrades. My point being upgrades suck.

00:36:15.35
Bill
Well, and it was, um so, I mean, obviously you've got, well, not not that anyone knows this, but you've got Spectrum in your area.

00:36:15.51
Mike
Yeah.

00:36:22.27
Bill
um There's Xfinity in this area.

00:36:22.73
Mike
Yeah. Right.

00:36:25.14
Bill
And it wasn't, was it the, oh yeah, it was, it was the it was the end of the month. It was the last week of the month, which is, you know, the time when you're trying to, you know, I mean, it's crunch time in this type of business that I'm in.

00:36:34.68
Mike
Sure.

00:36:35.77
Bill
You know, so to be have internet down, it's, it's bad to begin with, but even worse. So, um, yeah, the internet just kept going out during the day.

00:36:43.63
Mike
Yeah.

00:36:44.15
Bill
And then, you know, they wouldn't send any updates. And then Kathy would, uh, uh, you know, i either text her. She's, she works you know remotely at at home quite a bit.

00:36:51.51
Mike
Right.

00:36:52.98
Bill
So i'm like, did you get anything from Xfinity? And she's like, no.

00:36:55.35
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:36:56.22
Bill
And then she goes, she'll hop on the app and then it'll then it'll spit something out. Like, oh yeah, we're doing, we're doing something, you know, and we'll, it'll be back on in like three hours.

00:37:01.31
Mike
Yeah. Uh huh.

00:37:04.02
Bill
And i're like, oh, okay.

00:37:04.73
Mike
huh.

00:37:05.30
Bill
And, you know, I was out for, i don't know, like it was only an hour, hour and a half at that at a time, but still.

00:37:05.73
Mike
hmm.

00:37:10.06
Bill
And then the, um a couple of times it went out at at night, Kathy was off doing something.

00:37:10.20
Mike
Yeah.

00:37:15.00
Mike
hmm.

00:37:15.06
Bill
And then, um you know, it went out and I've got a hotspot on my phone. So I just, you know, hooked my hotspot up and hook it up to my TV.

00:37:18.65
Mike
Sure.

00:37:20.66
Bill
And I, so I can still watch it and, you know, do normal things. normal, this type of you know scenario these days type of stuff.

00:37:23.95
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:37:27.61
Bill
um But yeah, it's like the every every day for like three, four days of the internet was going out. it was So it made me think about it when you said, yeah, if I was there, I mean, if it went out completely like that for yeah for an entire day, it's like, well, what the fuck?

00:37:37.57
Mike
It did. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was.

00:37:39.96
Bill
Yeah, yeah.

00:37:41.11
Mike
Yep.

00:37:41.75
Bill
Yeah.

00:37:42.10
Mike
edit get all And, you know, I've got shitty phone service here at my house for whatever reason.

00:37:46.19
Bill
Right.

00:37:46.70
Mike
I can go up the street, you know, half a mile away and it's great. I got five bars and everything's groovy. But, yeah, my house, um it's just I get shit. So, yep, it was fun.

00:38:01.40
Bill
Well, you know what'll happen here every once in a while? And I didn't notice it until I had, you know, because now I have with T-Mobile, I have satellite access on my phone.

00:38:07.80
Mike
Right.

00:38:08.28
Bill
So every once in a while, sitting here in this room that I'm in right now upstairs, um I'll get it.

00:38:11.75
Mike
Right.

00:38:12.84
Bill
It's like, oh, your phone is now operating on satellite. I'm like, oh, that's great.

00:38:15.37
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:38:16.04
Bill
Which means there's no cellular service.

00:38:18.23
Mike
right

00:38:19.03
Bill
I mean, like fucking none. If there's even a little bit that catches half a signal, even ah a sliver of a signal, your satellite will not kick in.

00:38:22.78
Mike
he

00:38:25.66
Mike
right

00:38:25.98
Bill
So I've had that happen, I don't know, a handful of times in like the last month or so. I'm like, really? I'm on satellite right now.

00:38:31.83
Mike
yeah isus

00:38:33.50
Bill
Just stupid.

00:38:33.62
Mike
Yeah.

00:38:34.31
Bill
Right?

00:38:34.58
Mike
Yeah. Well, so, you know, yeah, that, that evening I listened to the ball game on the radio. Like it was goddamn 1925.

00:38:39.48
Bill
Right?

00:38:40.46
Mike
It is. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Right.

00:38:42.87
Bill
Hey, you know what? It it kind of, ah whatever whatever, it is what it is every once in a while.

00:38:46.20
Mike
it is

00:38:46.59
Bill
But yeah, and that's the whole thing is that I've with the, who was I with Verizon? I was with Verizon before and I had years ago, I had a hotspot that was free and then they, you would have upgrade to get it.

00:38:51.42
Mike
he

00:38:57.10
Bill
But T-Mobile, I mean, you've got this, have a free hotspot for, I mean, it's just, I can use it wherever, you know?

00:39:02.36
Mike
right

00:39:03.03
Bill
So I'm like, fine I just, it's slower. Don't get me wrong. But I mean, I can, I can fire it up and I can work my work on my Chromebook.

00:39:05.61
Mike
sure

00:39:08.67
Bill
I can, you know, get on my watch Netflix and do whatever I i want to on my TV. So it's, yes, it works, you know?

00:39:15.67
Mike
right aha mailbag we letters we get letters but we get stacks and stacks of letters

00:39:17.11
Bill
So, all right. So Zedcaster, we'll figure out how that, how fucked up that's going to be. And then um here's our mailbag, Mike.

00:39:29.40
Bill
Start singing mailbag.

00:39:31.32
Mike
if

00:39:31.96
Bill
The fuck is wrong with you? I can't, can I can't, I can't, I can't even laugh.

00:39:33.40
Mike
I don't know. It's, it's, yeah. You said it. It's, i know. It's, yeah it's been a weird week for everybody.

00:39:38.33
Bill
hey

00:39:39.90
Mike
ah Yeah. Again, not good getting into it, but it's been a weird fucking week, man.

00:39:43.99
Bill
Right.

00:39:44.14
Mike
Hi.

00:39:44.75
Bill
Right. This is just kind of funny. was sitting there fucking laughing and I can't, my voice doesn't laugh. You know, it's just fucking weird. So anyhow, so Shirley, our friend, Shirley again, which I, hello, Shirley.

00:39:52.68
Mike
Uh-huh. ay

00:39:55.72
Bill
I'm not going to get into the whole thing. I'm just going to, I'll, I'll, you'll, you'll hear what I'm say about it. So first of all, she says, hello again.

00:39:59.78
Mike
aha

00:40:01.82
Bill
I had to laugh yesterday because as I listened your podcast or as I listened your podcast, I had had the thought, how many times can I get a shout out on sober, not mature?

00:40:10.01
Mike
he

00:40:10.73
Bill
Okay. Well, Shirley, here's another one. Here's another one.

00:40:13.11
Mike
Yes, it is.

00:40:13.67
Bill
So, but that's, I thought that was funny. The rest of it, she just told me about some stuff that's good. I think she, I think I had mentioned a couple of months ago, she said she was going through some things and she's still, she's going through some things.

00:40:24.63
Bill
The only thing I'm going to say is that if all of us could just, you know, keep our friend Shirley, she's going through some shit, weird week for everyone else, weird time for her.

00:40:24.82
Mike
Right?

00:40:31.69
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:40:32.12
Bill
So I'm not going to get into any of her details, but I just thought it was kind of funny when she said, how many, how many times could I get a shout out?

00:40:37.59
Mike
he

00:40:39.94
Bill
There's another one, Cheryl.

00:40:40.06
Mike
I don't know. yeah I don't know. Let's find out. How many looks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?

00:40:44.06
Bill
Yeah. hey I thought you actually use her name in that sentence. I was going to be like, i like hello, hit hello, fangirl.

00:40:50.52
Mike
that No. Nope. Right.

00:40:55.92
Bill
i'm like Surely we won't.

00:40:58.10
Mike
um

00:40:58.67
Bill
We won't.

00:40:59.74
Mike
nope

00:41:01.03
Bill
I'm dying to, but we're not going to.

00:41:02.74
Mike
right

00:41:03.08
Bill
We're not going to. Shirley's email got that. Okay. Oh, real quick. And this came from ah another one of our followers on Instagram. And I forgot to mention it a couple weeks ago. So we've got a yeah um a listener and follower that's out in Phoenix.

00:41:16.22
Bill
And she's been listening for ah a long, long time.

00:41:17.28
Mike
Ah.

00:41:19.42
Bill
I don't know if from the beginning, but...

00:41:21.92
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:41:22.04
Bill
Um, she's been sober for, I think a handful of years. So she may have, uh, maybe it's three, four years, whatever it is, but she's listened to us consistently for a long time.

00:41:27.86
Mike
Cool.

00:41:29.88
Bill
And then every once in a while, she, she's just, she'll send a stupid meme or whatever.

00:41:30.23
Mike
Nice.

00:41:33.08
Bill
So, i mean, we chit chat through DMS on Instagram every once in a while.

00:41:34.18
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:41:36.24
Bill
Um, but she had just said the other day, she's like, Oh, by the way, she goes, you got, you got mentioned on a sober friends again this week. I'm like, really?

00:41:43.34
Mike
Ah.

00:41:43.97
Bill
She's like, yeah, Matt mentioned you. And then Steve mentioned you later on in the episode. So they'll do the same thing.

00:41:47.38
Mike
Yeah.

00:41:49.18
Bill
They'll do that with us, you know, with, oh, we're going off on a tangent. This is for a lot of times they say my name, but they'll say, yeah, these guys over at Sober Not Mature, you know, but they'll say my name just because I sent in the email.

00:41:52.28
Mike
a Yeah, right. Cool. Right.

00:41:59.25
Bill
But then, you know, but I mean, we we, I told her, I'm like, we do it back and forth.

00:41:59.42
Mike
Yeah, yeah,

00:42:02.53
Bill
And then I said, I will end up, I'll tell Mike about this. So we'll end up mentioning Sober Friends. So yes, go listen to Matt and Steve over at Sober Friends. They're mentioning us over there.

00:42:09.56
Mike
Yes.

00:42:11.03
Bill
Matt and Steve, you never tell people to listen to us though. So, you know, I'm just saying, you know, we're over here giving you a reach around and you're just kind of, you know, just, you know, a little bit of reach around for the effort, Matt and Steve, you know, come on.

00:42:13.92
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:42:16.85
Mike
Yeah, yeah yeah. A little receptacle hand here.

00:42:24.38
Bill
Yeah. You guys think you got a couple of hands over there. Come on, you know, help a couple of brothers out over here.

00:42:27.03
Mike
Sure. You're not doing anything with the left one? Come on.

00:42:32.07
Bill
What the fuck's wrong with you, Matt and Steve? God damn you. All right. So somebody pass that along to Matt and Steve. We love you guys though. So sober friends, listen to that podcast, but the, um, the individual, I don't know if she would want me to mention her name or anything like that on here.

00:42:43.80
Mike
You're right. Gotcha.

00:42:44.58
Bill
So I'm just not going to say it.

00:42:45.43
Mike
Yep.

00:42:46.10
Bill
She's never mentioned yes or no but, um, she just said, she goes, Oh, by the way, she said also, um, she goes, I heard you guys talking about it. She said, I do appreciate and thank you also for the, for your consistency with your episodes.

00:42:58.03
Bill
Um, So we got another, another person that said that to us and just kind of goes along and all you guys are doing, you know, you're, you're co-signing our fucking bullshit on a bit bitching about other podcasts.

00:43:08.26
Bill
You know, now you're going hear fucking more of it now because you know, it's like, yeah.

00:43:08.31
Mike
We appreciate that.

00:43:13.22
Bill
And our two listeners tell us

00:43:19.67
Bill
our two listeners tell us that that they're happy with it. We're around every week, you know? So

00:43:23.54
Mike
yes ah consistency it's a beautiful thing

00:43:26.46
Bill
yeah. Yeah. No, and i I mean, it is. And i ah it's i I know we've talked about it before, and I know i I'm just going repeat myself, but I think it's worth repeating, is that we know how how important it is to be consistent based on what we do in this whole sobriety thing or whatever.

00:43:39.77
Mike
yeah

00:43:41.43
Bill
And honestly, though, especially with this, the fact that we do not get a lot of comments, but when we do, they're they're heartfelt and they're good and they're meaningful.

00:43:48.42
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:43:49.36
Bill
um you know But to have somebody else tell us that they appreciate you know the consistency of what whatever this thing is that we do here,

00:43:57.00
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:43:57.53
Bill
um is It's important, right? It's nice.

00:43:59.83
Mike
It is. It is.

00:44:00.70
Bill
know

00:44:00.71
Mike
Yes, absolutely. I mean, well, you know, we're going to be consistent anyway, but we do appreciate someone noticing. Yeah?

00:44:07.06
Bill
Yeah. I mean, it's like, it's like yeah every once in a while, I don't, I don't need a pat on the back every fucking day, but you know, if I do something well, just every once in a while, you know what?

00:44:12.06
Mike
No?

00:44:14.90
Bill
I just, i appreciate you.

00:44:15.51
Mike
Eh?

00:44:16.06
Bill
I do.

00:44:16.71
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:44:16.74
Bill
Um, well, thank you. I don't need to hear it every goddamn day. Cause that gets fucking annoying.

00:44:19.42
Mike
Right.

00:44:20.42
Bill
You know, it really fucking annoying, but, um, every once in a while, you know, again, like again, Matt and Steve, little reach around, you know, that's all, that's all that we need.

00:44:20.82
Mike
Yes. Yes.

00:44:27.48
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:44:28.06
Bill
Just, just little, that's it. I, I, I'm doing the motion right now with my hands.

00:44:32.98
Mike
Of course you are.

00:44:34.23
Bill
It's so fucking wrong. God damn it. On that note, fuck it. did get We got to take a break. I can't.

00:44:39.19
Mike
Ah, yes, we do.

00:44:39.23
Bill
I got shake this off.

00:44:40.23
Mike
All right. We'll we'll be back with more hand stuff right out of these words from our sponsors.

00:44:54.49
Bill
Alright everyone, welcome back. more More hand stuff.

00:44:57.40
Mike
move

00:44:58.95
Bill
God, you know well, and you know, it was it was so funny, and then ever everyone, if you if you didn't like really, really pay attention to the picture from last week's episode, you know, and first of all, the episode title, fucking perfect, just fucking, absolutely fucking perfect.

00:44:59.19
Mike
Sure.

00:45:12.94
Bill
And I guess I'll have a side note on that for our episode clip in a minute. But um so Mike sends me this picture and Mike, Mike does all of it.

00:45:19.18
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:45:20.08
Bill
Again, I'll say it again, with the exception of one for sure, maybe two that I either dropped a hint on a title, but one picture I picked years ago.

00:45:22.84
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

00:45:28.04
Bill
And that was for the cheese land Chronicles. I just picked the um the grim Reaper cheese head, but Mike came up with the cheese land Chronicles, which I still think it's one fucking stupidest, but best titles ever.

00:45:30.87
Mike
Right.

00:45:33.30
Mike
Right.

00:45:39.29
Mike
kit

00:45:40.06
Bill
The cheese land Chronicles. It's just, it's ridiculous, but great.

00:45:42.52
Mike
Yes.

00:45:43.96
Bill
Wonderful.

00:45:44.20
Mike
Uh huh.

00:45:44.63
Bill
um But anyhow, so with, so Mike sends me this picture and I, I open up my text message. and I'm like, holy shit. It looked like a vagina is what it looked like.

00:45:53.71
Mike
Right.

00:45:54.17
Bill
And I'm like, I'm

00:45:54.78
Mike
Well, it was the inside of an orifice. Yes.

00:45:58.46
Bill
I know. And I knew what it was. You know, it's just, the again, he he called it, to you know,

00:46:02.07
Mike
It had a uvula hanging in there, so that's how you do.

00:46:04.28
Bill
i I know it did.

00:46:05.54
Mike
Right.

00:46:05.72
Bill
I know. i know.

00:46:06.54
Mike
Mm-hmm. Yep.

00:46:08.06
Bill
I know. But as I'm looking at I'm like, whoa. That's what I told Mike.

00:46:11.16
Mike
boom

00:46:11.50
Bill
I said, just in case, I said, here will be the test.

00:46:12.60
Mike
right

00:46:13.90
Bill
I put i put our images now through. um And I'm not doing it to check anything with chat, with chat um but I use it to optimize it for, you know, to get the image optimized based on this basic thing that he used to use.

00:46:18.20
Mike
e

00:46:26.68
Bill
And there's been one. One of them got kicked, and I can't remember which which one it was.

00:46:30.03
Mike
Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah.

00:46:31.10
Bill
Hugh...

00:46:31.61
Mike
i Wasn't it like so Siamese twins or something?

00:46:34.58
Bill
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, because it showed the like baby's ass or something like that.

00:46:34.85
Mike
or Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, something.

00:46:37.50
Bill
you know

00:46:38.26
Mike
don't know. Yeah.

00:46:39.03
Bill
But I even i even asked Chad, I'm like, what's wrong with this picture? I'm like, well, you can see the i'll see the bottom, the bare bottom of the one, and more likely what what got it kicked.

00:46:42.62
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:46:45.14
Mike
Yes. Mm-hmm.

00:46:47.86
Bill
I'm like, oh, okay, gotcha.

00:46:49.43
Mike
Yeah.

00:46:49.82
Bill
But I just told Mike, I said, just in case, I said, i' I'll put everything through that. I said, if it gets through Chad, it's probably okay. But even when I posted everything up on, ah oh, hang on, hang on.

00:46:57.58
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:47:01.78
Mike
Yep, he's got another one. i Should I start reading?

00:47:06.40
Bill
No, you're fine. You're fine. It's it's just a minute. i just don't want I just need a little bit of ah a cough. It's like this dry claw of cough that I start to get at this time of night.

00:47:12.39
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:47:13.66
Bill
um But you know I told him, I said, that then worst case scenario when I put it up on Instagram, if it's going to get kicked, it'll be pretty immediate you know because it'll it'll get flagged by their their AI models first and then you know fine.

00:47:21.62
Mike
Right.

00:47:25.08
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:47:27.58
Bill
So I didn't even tell you this part. um When, when I posted everything up and, you know, got everything through, you know, I basically put the episode live through Spotify for creators.

00:47:37.42
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:47:37.77
Bill
It puts it on Spotify right away.

00:47:38.06
Mike
Right.

00:47:39.57
Bill
So that was no issue. Then I always check Amazon second. That's no issue.

00:47:43.28
Mike
Mm

00:47:43.49
Bill
Apple usually takes a little bit longer, but within like 15 minutes where usually it takes an hour, it showed up on Apple. I mean, well, that's kind of cool. And I was just about to post it after that.

00:47:51.40
Mike
hmm.

00:47:52.96
Bill
i was doing a couple of things that I popped on Apple again and it's gone. And I'm like, I'm like, oh, fuck me.

00:47:56.43
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:47:57.84
Bill
Fuck me.

00:47:58.73
Mike
All

00:47:58.88
Bill
I'm like, okay. So i popped up there. These, you know, something flagged the image and whatever. So whatever it was, it it flashed up and then it was back up.

00:48:02.95
Mike
right.

00:48:05.00
Bill
Not no issue whatsoever. So,

00:48:06.55
Mike
Cool.

00:48:07.29
Bill
um But it was it it was great. It was fucking wonderful.

00:48:09.81
Mike
Yes. Mm-hmm.

00:48:10.45
Bill
I mean, absolutely wonderful, but it made me think about it when you just did the break with the handy whatever, because that was the other part of the title was yeah yeah Throats and Something Uber.

00:48:10.59
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:48:21.30
Bill
Uber handies. Uber handies, yeah.

00:48:22.26
Mike
yes

00:48:24.34
Bill
but our so our episode clip the last one of the week so again chance doing these uh they're they're searching for clips for us you know trying to pick out poignant clips that they don't necessarily go in order so this week it took the basically the episode title you know and that was our friday clip for today and it um you know just the the description of it was you know basically only on sober not mature and it said you know a god you know let me let me read this i want to read how it was i was laughing because i didn't pay attention i don't look ahead on what these are you know just the the day um or the night before when i'm getting these things ready um you know so what it what it does it pulls it gives me the time um of headliner which is the app that i use it tells me where i can start it and i can run however long i want um but then it'll give me a hook for me to put in the image and then you know the hook was why is the back of my throat bruised so that's the that was the hook on the image which is fucking wonderful

00:48:40.28
Mike
Okay.

00:48:50.86
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:49:07.51
Mike
Bright.

00:49:11.11
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:49:14.82
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:49:17.24
Mike
Yes.

00:49:17.62
Bill
um

00:49:17.92
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:49:18.84
Bill
But then it says the why, because it tells us why they but picked this clip. It says, um it says pure, sober, not mature humor. Ridiculous, memorable, and likely to get comments and shares from from your audience.

00:49:30.76
Bill
And then it says, you know only on sober, not mature, which is actually pretty fucking funny.

00:49:34.65
Mike
All right.

00:49:35.29
Bill
Because like I said, you know obviously it in knows our our tone and our voice and blah, blah, blah.

00:49:39.81
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:49:40.15
Bill
But anyhow, it was just, his it made me kind of fucking laugh. So, all right. So there was something in the 24 hour book this week, which I think we talked about probably it at one point, I think we talked about this and I think you may or may not remember it, but I wanted to bring it up again.

00:49:55.01
Bill
Cause I thought it was interesting if nothing else.

00:49:55.40
Mike
All right.

00:49:57.82
Bill
So from the 24-hour book, I believe this week, it was talking about the changes we go through when we get sober. you know um There are three things.

00:50:04.77
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:50:06.38
Bill
There are educational changes, spiritual changes, etc. And then basically the kind of the the hook in this reading was, do I consider these changes in my life a modern miracle?

00:50:18.90
Bill
Okay?

00:50:19.17
Mike
Mm.

00:50:19.80
Bill
So, and, and I don't know if you remember, I, we had had some sort of conversation about this and I don't catch it all the time.

00:50:25.05
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:50:26.43
Bill
It might've even been a couple of years ago, but the the fact that it used the term, ah you know, modern miracle, does any of that resonate with you as far as is, is anything that we do a miracle, all these changes or that's my question.

00:50:32.92
Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

00:50:40.86
Mike
No, absolutely not.

00:50:42.45
Bill
Okay. Right.

00:50:45.40
Mike
No, miracle. It's, it's no, right.

00:50:47.39
Bill
Yeah. right yeah

00:50:49.03
Mike
A miracle is, is some supernatural thing that has no real physical explanation. Um, no logical explanation. you know, it's it's magic, right?

00:51:00.03
Mike
No, it's not.

00:51:00.48
Bill
right

00:51:01.63
Mike
It's, it's very explainable and very, yes, we're doing the goddamn work. And, you know, if you continue, you, you, grab a barbell and continue to go, you know, do curls with it.

00:51:15.85
Mike
Your bicep is going to get bigger.

00:51:16.20
Bill
right

00:51:18.25
Mike
It's going to get stronger. It's going to, you get Jesus, man. and Same thing with, same with this, you know, we do the thing, you do the repetitions, you keep, continue to act differently and you become different.

00:51:22.58
Bill
hey

00:51:32.28
Mike
Um, yeah, there's no miracle about it at all. It's, it's, Yeah, you know, you you start to run ah the first day. Yeah, you make it up the block. The next day you make it two blocks. The third day, make it three blocks. I mean, you know, it's not a goddamn miracle. You're putting the work in and getting the results.

00:51:52.06
Bill
Right.

00:51:52.57
Mike
Yeah.

00:51:53.46
Bill
No, and it's this is just, it's one of those topics that I sit here and I start to laugh because every time there's there's topics like this that you you are very passionate about and, you know, like halfway between your answer, you're like, Jesus Christ.

00:51:57.43
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:52:01.91
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:52:04.92
Bill
And then you can't get explain it and you're like, God damn it, you know, or whatever you do.

00:52:05.25
Mike
Yeah.

00:52:08.60
Mike
Right.

00:52:09.48
Bill
And it's just, it it makes me laugh because it just, it's, that's one of the reasons I brought it up because I remembered you got, you got just a little bit fired up about it last time.

00:52:14.17
Mike
Yeah. ha

00:52:17.08
Mike
Right.

00:52:17.59
Bill
But I also thought it was important to bring up because you know the 24-hour book is, I mean, that's our core reading, you know obviously, from from day one.

00:52:20.04
Mike
hmm. Mm hmm.

00:52:24.31
Bill
um Not that we have to you know live and die by every every word in that book, but

00:52:24.64
Mike
Right.

00:52:27.26
Mike
No, no.

00:52:29.02
Bill
you know but I'm sure that there's people out there that, you know, look, look at um anything like that.

00:52:32.98
Mike
hmm.

00:52:35.84
Bill
You know, what they're doing is, oh, it's, it's a miracle, you know, this and that.

00:52:38.96
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:52:39.48
Bill
When in it's, there's usually um either it's, it's luck or it's something that you're fortunate to fall into a certain thing, you know, or, um you know, like you said,

00:52:44.26
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right. Or you're doing the work.

00:52:50.71
Bill
Exactly. Exactly.

00:52:51.48
Mike
and Getting the results. Yeah.

00:52:53.69
Bill
Right. Well, and it made me think about it too, when you said that, uh, you know, you start running and stuff like that.

00:52:54.42
Mike
Yeah.

00:52:58.61
Bill
And, you know, I, I mentioned on here before that first, whatever it was, a few actually have probably was three years ago. Now when I was in Lake of the Ozarks for the first time and I walked down that, know, cause I wanted to go down by the lake and I ended up, I knew as I, as I'm walking down this fucking hill, I'm like, I gotta walk back up here.

00:53:04.05
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:53:08.95
Mike
Right. Right.

00:53:13.31
Bill
You know, it's,

00:53:13.61
Mike
Mm hmm. Yeah.

00:53:14.21
Bill
there there's no, there's no way I'm not going to get back up here at some point. I got to walk back up this fucking hill, you know, like Jesus Christ.

00:53:17.18
Mike
right earth

00:53:20.18
Bill
And it's still, it's kind of like the switchback type of thing down, but I'm going to walk all the way down here, whatever. But I ended up that trails like a mile, 1.2, 1.3 miles, maybe a mile and a half. And I remember getting back from that drought, like, oh my God, Jesus fucking Christ, you know?

00:53:32.63
Mike
yeah

00:53:33.43
Bill
And I mean, now I walk just if I'm, if it's raining outside and I have to walk around the basement for my, my short walks throughout the day, I can walk three and a half to four miles in a day.

00:53:43.66
Mike
right

00:53:44.09
Bill
You know, and when I go on a hiking trail now, i don't pay attention sometimes and I'm walking three miles, you know, with just walking, you know.

00:53:50.48
Mike
mm-hmm yeah yeah yeah cleaned out the carburetor that always helps

00:53:52.39
Bill
And I mean, that's the difference in that. I mean, I'm not and like in super great shape, but well, I have my heart's fixed. That helps. You know, that has something to do with it. You know, but even...

00:54:04.50
Bill
hu Right. But, um, but yeah, I mean, it just, but even, even with like my legs and my knees and stuff like that don't get as as sore, you know, as they, as they used to, but, uh, yeah, it is.

00:54:11.35
Mike
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

00:54:15.10
Bill
It's just ah like you said, I mean, obviously doing the work. So I, I knew the answer.

00:54:17.09
Mike
Yeah.

00:54:18.34
Bill
I knew the answer, but I thought it was interesting if nothing else.

00:54:19.29
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:54:20.94
Bill
So, yeah. Um, back to, uh, the sober motivation podcast. And again, we talk about Brad quite a bit and I came across this and this would have been recently.

00:54:27.77
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:54:30.00
Bill
So, and, and I knew that Brad, I think I brought this up recently. i thought that he was closer to 300 episodes than we were. And I, as it turns out, I, I, I'm not gonna say i was right.

00:54:38.11
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:54:40.28
Bill
He is closer to that. Um, I think he's in the two eighties or nineties, something like that.

00:54:41.88
Mike
Okay.

00:54:45.71
Mike
Cool.

00:54:46.52
Bill
But recently he did this this list of 12 lessons that he's learned. Hang on one second, one more time.

00:54:53.32
Mike
Mm-hmm. Bill is going to clear his throat. Okay.

00:54:56.98
Bill
I just, I'm letting you get that thing out. of I was back in like half a second, but, um, so 12 lessons that he's learned in almost 300 episodes that he's done. Okay.

00:55:06.42
Mike
go

00:55:06.61
Bill
So first of all, um, and I'm not going to go through the list cause two things I didn't, I didn't write it down. Um, that's, I was driving when I was listening to it. So i didn't write it down.

00:55:14.26
Mike
ahha

00:55:14.94
Bill
Um, and I, more, I thought about, I'm like, no, no, no.

00:55:14.97
Mike
Right.

00:55:17.34
Bill
I said, I, I want to mention on here cause I want people to go listen to that.

00:55:20.97
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:55:21.78
Bill
It's about 15 minutes and it's on or about like July 16th. Okay. So, and I mean this, honestly, this, this list that he put together and the way that he talks about it, no doubt you can tell he's reading off of this.

00:55:26.59
Mike
Okay.

00:55:30.45
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:55:34.22
Bill
He wrote the shit down, but he doesn't sound fake or anything like that.

00:55:34.91
Mike
Sure. Right. Yeah.

00:55:37.14
Bill
And I 100% fully support Brad and everything that he's doing. So sober motivation or about July 16th.

00:55:41.34
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:55:44.14
Bill
And it says in there, I think it's titled 12 lessons that he learned in almost the episode, blah, blah, blah. But great list.

00:55:48.52
Mike
Okay.

00:55:50.05
Bill
And, you know, basically he talked about these things and they were they were very I i mean, he spent some time thinking about this and it was it was a lot of things that we talk about.

00:55:58.19
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:56:00.73
Bill
Maybe a couple of there there maybe rolled my eyes at a little bit halfway.

00:56:04.69
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:56:05.05
Bill
You know, not necessarily along our lines, but um once again, it was ah it was a great list.

00:56:05.41
Mike
Yeah.

00:56:07.75
Mike
Right?

00:56:10.26
Bill
And he's had just all these different stories, you know, and he picked out, you know, these 12, even at a, think he had 13 kind of thing of it.

00:56:13.51
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:56:18.02
Bill
Yeah. He had like a bonus episode in there or a bonus thing.

00:56:19.87
Mike
Yeah. Let's see.

00:56:21.18
Bill
But um I seriously, if anyone gets the chance to do it um again, he's a good guy and he spent some, spent some time to do it.

00:56:21.61
Mike
Right.

00:56:27.18
Bill
I just thought it was, I thought it was really, really good. So, all right. um Hang on one second here. This is from ah this a podcast thing. I don't know if this is a complaint or not. let's Let's check it out and see.

00:56:40.31
Mike
let's see

00:56:41.40
Bill
So it says from a podcast and one that I respect. Okay. Not two of my normal ones though. um Instagram post ran the words from the clip. Oh, I remember this one now. So it is ah is it it's not one of the ones I don't even know.

00:56:54.30
Bill
I may have listened to their podcast a couple of times, but they're they're one of the they're one of the big people and whatever they've been around for a minute.

00:56:57.78
Mike
he

00:57:01.26
Bill
but

00:57:01.37
Mike
Okay.

00:57:02.78
Bill
So they they ran a video clip and you could obviously have the words, the transcript of it. And it says, if you are ever romanticizing alcohol, like the old days of drinking and fun, um you know, it's bullshit.

00:57:13.62
Bill
You know, you need to remember that the anxiety, the direct or ah wreck cars, not knowing where your car was, et cetera. You need to embrace hangover, the hangover for days or not having hangover for days, new relationships, new opportunities, blah, blah, blah.

00:57:19.67
Mike
Right.

00:57:27.26
Bill
Okay. So the the thing with it that the first part about it, and I get the the mindset, they're saying, okay, that if you're trying to romanticize what what happened before, don't look at that.

00:57:37.72
Bill
Look at what you have now. I get all that, you know?

00:57:39.18
Mike
Right, yeah

00:57:40.16
Bill
Um, but what I was, what I was thinking about my question was, how do you feel? I mean, do you, do you think that it's, that it's never okay to romanticize anything about our drinking days?

00:57:51.62
Bill
Like anything that, I mean, you and I talk about it every once in a while, but that's what I'm saying.

00:57:54.99
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:57:55.30
Bill
I mean, is, I mean, i is it incorrect to look back and like, God damn, that was, that was fun, you know?

00:58:00.09
Mike
Yeah. of course not. Oh, yeah. It's it's fucking normal. I mean, to to deny the fact that we had a goddamn good time sometimes um is crazy.

00:58:09.19
Bill
Right.

00:58:10.60
Mike
It's not fucking honest. Yeah. Yeah, that's, you know, it was it was a very large part of our lives for a very long time. um Yeah, to deny the fact that we didn't have, that we had really some great times um is stupid.

00:58:28.79
Mike
um But, yeah, so, you know, I mean, just to just ah romanticize and and, you know, and look at the positive, of course, that's just stupid.

00:58:36.41
Bill
Right.

00:58:39.86
Mike
Yeah. But yeah, you know we got to play the tape through. It's one of our one of our basic tools. um Okay, yeah yeah, it was great fun. And then what happened? And then what happened?

00:58:50.57
Mike
And then what happened? um

00:58:52.01
Bill
Right.

00:58:52.73
Mike
Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, that's... that's Yeah, to say never do it is ridiculous um and denying ah a huge part of our lives.

00:59:00.93
Bill
Right.

00:59:04.60
Mike
um Yeah, you know, it' it'd be like saying, well, don't remember the bad stuff because, you know, that's that was no, it's it's all there. Remember everything ah that's important to me.

00:59:14.37
Bill
Right.

00:59:16.44
Mike
You know, remember the allure and remember the fucking bad, the laying in the gutter, the wrecked cars, the ruined relationships. Yeah, all of it. Remember it all.

00:59:26.78
Mike
Why not? Don't, you know, it's there in the book, man. You know, don't shut the door on it, but don't fucking dwell on it.

00:59:32.91
Bill
Right.

00:59:33.50
Mike
Yeah, pretty simple.

00:59:35.38
Bill
Yeah. And, you know, that was, like that was my thing. And like I said, I do respect this, you know, this, this group and this podcast and that sort of thing.

00:59:39.47
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:59:41.34
Bill
It just, it seemed like a a really black and white type of statement to me.

00:59:44.31
Mike
Yeah.

00:59:45.02
Bill
And, um and I thought about that.

00:59:45.47
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:59:46.82
Bill
I'm like, it's, it's clearly not something that we would say, you know, and that's not that that, not that that makes a goddamn bit of difference, but the reason that I, that I, that it caught my eye is because it's not something that we would say.

00:59:51.16
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm. Right.

00:59:57.02
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:59:58.50
Bill
And we don't feel that everything, you know, with this whole sobriety thing is black and white.

00:59:58.72
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

01:00:03.14
Bill
I mean, there are certain things that are, you know, And, you know, the January 6th shit and in that sort of thing and the things that we have to do, there are there are things that that are, um you know, again, things that we cannot negotiate with and do not negotiate from anything like that.

01:00:03.70
Mike
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Sure. Clearly. Yep. Right. Yeah.

01:00:14.84
Mike
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Right. Right.

01:00:18.40
Bill
Granted, no doubt.

01:00:19.72
Mike
Yeah.

01:00:19.77
Bill
um But, you know, to your point, remember everything, right? I mean, how...

01:00:24.88
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:00:26.68
Bill
It would freak me out if I just said, okay, that right as of today, I'm not going to think about anything that I did prior to April of 2010.

01:00:31.82
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:00:36.64
Bill
I'd be like, I almost said 20.

01:00:37.59
Mike
Yeah.

01:00:39.38
Bill
two thousand and ten i'd be like i'd be like

01:00:39.99
Mike
Ten. Right. Mm-hmm. Sure.

01:00:42.04
Bill
yeah i almost at twenty yeah April 18th of 2010.

01:00:44.28
Mike
right

01:00:45.34
Bill
yeah um I would be like, well, that'd be kind of weird because the, I need that, you know, I need the, I need the butterflies. I need the uncomfortableness.

01:00:53.30
Mike
sure

01:00:53.46
Bill
I need to, you know, if I, if I look at somebody that's in, that's in pain today, you know, and realize that that maybe that person is in pain because of somebody else, but fuck, I did that to to that person too, you know, at one point or to somebody else at one point, I don't want to, I don't want to forget that stuff, you know?

01:00:58.34
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:01:05.18
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm. Exactly.

01:01:11.03
Bill
So it's just the the black and white part that i didn't that I didn't like, right? I think it was.

01:01:14.97
Mike
Right. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, yeah, the truth always lies in the gray. Yeah.

01:01:19.44
Bill
Right, right.

01:01:20.12
Mike
Yeah.

01:01:21.40
Bill
Yeah, so, okay. And that was, ah again, I thought that was kind of kind of an easy one. And I wasn't, i'm ah again, I'm not trying to to bash on that particular podcast.

01:01:28.31
Mike
Right.

01:01:28.72
Bill
I just, I don't, I personally, I don't like, um I'm not an always or never type of guy. I i never have been.

01:01:35.29
Mike
hey

01:01:37.69
Bill
But I mean, usually it's it's very, very rare that I will say I always do this or I'd never do that.

01:01:37.69
Mike
Right.

01:01:43.77
Bill
Or I've always done it this or I've never done it that way.

01:01:46.58
Mike
Right.

01:01:46.78
Bill
There's usually some sort of, there there's got to be some sort of wiggle room At least for me, I'm not giving myself wiggle room to where I can, oh, maybe, ah you know, someday I can, you know, hey, not that type of wiggle room.

01:01:54.36
Mike
right Yeah. Right. No.

01:02:02.20
Bill
hey

01:02:03.22
Mike
Exactly.

01:02:04.66
Bill
All right. So, um, this one was from God grant me. It said, what can, let's see either what, look at it this way, either what can, or what did I do today that will live on into tomorrow?

01:02:10.11
Mike
hmm.

01:02:18.31
Mike
Mm

01:02:18.39
Bill
So, I mean, and I'm not asking for a specific thing, but do you, do you think about that or even thinking about that in a general sense?

01:02:22.87
Mike
hmm.

01:02:24.19
Bill
Um, you know, things that you do on a daily basis that you think could live into the future.

01:02:30.65
Mike
Um, no, I don't because that's ego shit. Um, you know, but this me, but, um,

01:02:34.62
Bill
Hell yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:02:39.00
Mike
But, um, I do find, and, um, it's actually been coming up a bit more lately, um with like my granddaughter, she will say something to me.

01:02:51.82
Mike
um and, and it's, you know, something I said to her months ago, or, you know, uh, just ah but a by-product of the way I fucking live my life. And she will point it out to me, you know, that she's like, you know, learning something from it.

01:03:04.55
Bill
Right.

01:03:08.58
Mike
Um, you know And it's not, it's not, look at me how great I am or anything. It's it's just simply, again, you know just the way I'm fucking, I do shit um because of the way I do shit now, because of this program and and whatever, um that she notices.

01:03:26.20
Mike
and And she goes, yeah, that's that's kind of a good way to do that. you know And it's it's not me telling her it's not me spotlighting it.

01:03:36.98
Mike
Hey, look at me doing this this way.

01:03:38.87
Bill
hey

01:03:39.10
Mike
You know, it's just me doing what I'm, you know, the next right thing, blah, blah, blah, whatever, you know, practicing these principles and all that happy crap. And um I find it just, you know, kind of showing up.

01:03:51.48
Mike
So um in that sense, the the original question, it's something I did today is going to live into tomorrow. hopefully, but i don't consciously do it you know it's I'm doing it today.

01:04:07.63
Bill
Right.

01:04:07.64
Mike
um I'm doing it because this is the next right thing to do today. This is how I'm living my life today. If it does carry over to tomorrow because it was the right thing to do, that's fucking cool, but it's not a conscious thing and it's certainly not...

01:04:24.31
Mike
intentional or a goal or a reason I'm doing it. It just kind of happens, which is nice.

01:04:31.96
Bill
Right.

01:04:32.50
Mike
Yeah.

01:04:32.60
Bill
You know, and that's a that's a good way to to put that, too.

01:04:32.75
Mike
Yeah.

01:04:35.00
Bill
The way you said that, that you're not intentionally doing anything. And I think that I think that's an important way to to say that, because, you know, the I I thought about that when I wrote it down.

01:04:41.07
Mike
Yeah.

01:04:44.74
Bill
I forgot about it until I just until I just read it.

01:04:45.70
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:04:47.34
Bill
But. So my goal, and I do have, i don't necessarily, i don't know. I mean, I don't, I'm going to life insurance to whatever it is. I mean, I want, I want to have enough money to, you know, so my, you know, my kids don't have to, you know, spend their own money or if they do, they're going be reimbursed very quickly, you know, to, to burn my ass up and do, you know, put it wherever it needs to go and to get rid of the body.

01:05:03.83
Mike
Right. Yeah, right. To get rid of the body. Uh-huh.

01:05:09.11
Bill
And then,

01:05:10.10
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:05:10.81
Bill
pay off whatever bills I have and maybe they got a couple of bucks to go buy themselves something, you know.

01:05:14.74
Mike
ahha

01:05:15.05
Bill
um But what i what I want to do, the only thing that if I if i had a choice, but i to your point, I'm not doing any of this intentionally, but if I really sit back and think about it, is the only thing that I can hope, if if anything else or if nothing else, is to leave behind good ripples, kind of like we talked about, you know.

01:05:29.13
Mike
Mm.

01:05:31.61
Mike
Yep. Mm hmm.

01:05:32.38
Bill
And, you know, so I know we've thought about it and talked about it, but I mean, I think that's ah that's a great distinction when you said that we're not doing intentionally because I don't wake up every morning thinking, okay, I need to make a good ripple today.

01:05:39.61
Mike
Right.

01:05:46.01
Mike
Yes. Right.

01:05:47.10
Bill
You know, and I need to do things that so, so that couple years from now, my, you know, my, like in your case, my granddaughter is going to be like, Hey, you know what?

01:05:49.42
Mike
hmm.

01:05:53.34
Mike
Right. Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

01:05:55.48
Bill
When you said this or did that, you know, um, you know, or one of my kids is going to say something to me. I mean, I, obviously we always hope that it's nice, you know, to have these things come back on us, but worst case scenario, what I don't want to do is I don't want to do anything today.

01:06:04.03
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:06:09.13
Bill
That's going to fuck with somebody today or fuck with somebody down the road, you know, where somebody is going to, you know, when I die, they're going to be looking back and like, Jesus Christ.

01:06:11.49
Mike
Right. Right.

01:06:16.33
Bill
So do you remember that time when, you know, um, and maybe there are things out there right now that I don't know about and i'll be fucking dead anyhow.

01:06:18.04
Mike
Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

01:06:22.33
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:06:22.80
Bill
So what the fuck, you know?

01:06:23.23
Mike
Yeah. Right.

01:06:23.76
Bill
Fuck you. Fuck you. I mean, I ah did did my best.

01:06:24.98
Mike
But again... Yeah, but but again, it's it's, yeah, not intentionally. We're just doing what we're fucking supposed to do.

01:06:29.61
Bill
Right.

01:06:31.85
Mike
and and And, you know, as a consequence, those good ripples happen.

01:06:31.96
Bill
Exactly.

01:06:35.85
Mike
But we're not, yeah, not just the ripple for ripple's sake.

01:06:39.70
Bill
ah

01:06:43.13
Mike
Yeah, exactly. You know, and and and hopefully, you know, again, kind of the attraction rather than promotion thing, too. It's like, you know, just...

01:06:51.32
Bill
Right.

01:06:52.17
Mike
i Maybe some down down the line, someone saw how we behaved in a certain situation, and and they get into a similar situation, and they go, you know, I should probably act like that because that seemed like the right thing to fucking do.

01:07:09.96
Bill
Right.

01:07:10.05
Mike
that's That's all I could ever fucking hope for.

01:07:13.43
Bill
Right. yeah Yeah. It's the same thing. Yeah. I mean, it's, I, I hope that, well, I mean, I never, obviously I can't, you can't stop people like we, so like we talk about all the time. You can't stop people from, you know, going through, you know, pain or, or whatever the case is and learning, you know, having to, whether it's kids or family or friends or whatever the case is, but,

01:07:26.55
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

01:07:30.39
Mike
Right. Yep.

01:07:32.15
Bill
you know the yeah maybe you know maybe we are that that example maybe we were that example or have been already you know to some random person that you know that maybe we were the only one you know they ever knew that was that was sober and they're like well you know they remember that so then that's that goes back to that whole point you know always doing the next right thing you never know who's who's fucking watching you know not that we're out there doing bad we're like o who's watching me

01:07:34.17
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:07:38.04
Mike
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

01:07:42.55
Mike
Yeah. Yep.

01:07:50.08
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

01:07:55.24
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:07:55.54
Bill
You know, but you got to make sure you're not, you're not fucking up because you're out there representing yourself, you know, and potentially this, this whole recovery thing, you know.

01:08:01.42
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:08:04.77
Mike
Right. Yeah. and And yeah, you know, i like we said, we're representing ourselves, which we we we always were.

01:08:11.07
Bill
Right.

01:08:12.50
Mike
We just, we yeah, we we just thought we were, you know, representing something that we weren't.

01:08:13.01
Bill
Right. Oh, Hey, yeah. Good point. Yeah.

01:08:18.90
Mike
And and to know we were representing ourselves and and people saw it, you know, and um and same holds true today. It's just, you know, it's different.

01:08:29.24
Mike
It's a different representation because we're different fucking people today.

01:08:32.98
Bill
Right. Right. Yeah. So like I said, I like how you put that. Not intentionally, but, but yeah, so that's, ah that's good.

01:08:38.71
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:08:39.58
Bill
I like, I like that a lot, gosh darn it.

01:08:39.97
Mike
Yeah.

01:08:42.49
Mike
Yes.

01:08:43.89
Bill
All right. So I'm going to read you a, a quote from an individual that I heard. I heard the person say this on a podcast, then I'll ask you about what you think about the individual and blah, blah, blah. So I don't want to, I want to keep the comment clean just in case you don't like the individual.

01:08:53.01
Mike
All

01:08:56.33
Mike
right.

01:08:57.25
Bill
Yeah.

01:08:58.80
Mike
Don't tape my reaction. All right, go ahead.

01:09:00.66
Bill
Well, you know you know how it is. you know Sometimes then, you know as any one of us, and I'm not i'm not saying...

01:09:02.65
Mike
is Oh, I've got preconceived notions about all kinds of shit.

01:09:06.71
Bill
Well, in yeah, and I mean, anyone.

01:09:07.49
Mike
Yep, absolutely.

01:09:09.69
Bill
It could be anyone, but I know you. I know you. I know you. Okay, so the person said, if everyone could just, or could everyone, sorry, me, me, me, me.

01:09:20.44
Mike
What did they say now? nia first up written number Back it up. Go ahead.

01:09:25.72
Bill
If everyone would pivot just 10%, take everything that they'd like and do more of that and stop worrying about what other people are doing and what other people are saying and just do what makes them happy, how much better would the world be?

01:09:28.75
Mike
aha

01:09:42.23
Bill
Okay. And it's just, just right off there. They were, they were talking back and forth. It was a person that they, that Rogan had on. And yeah, this guy, this guy said that he goes, yeah, he goes, if everyone just, you know, just, just 10%, you know, just take pivot 10%.

01:09:48.22
Mike
who

01:09:53.62
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:09:54.89
Bill
Don't look at this, look over here and just do more of what you like and think about, quit worrying about what other people say. Just 10% of the time, how much better would everything be? So it was, um it was Guy Fieri.

01:10:03.06
Mike
Right.

01:10:05.43
Mike
Okay.

01:10:06.20
Bill
so And I don't know what your opinion is on him. I know we've never talked about him before.

01:10:08.25
Mike
Yeah. Right.

01:10:09.80
Bill
um i up Quite honestly, with the exception of just seeing a show every once in a while, I learned a lot about him over the last, you know, in the whatever it was, the two and a half hours that you know over number of days that I listened to podcast.

01:10:21.92
Bill
um

01:10:22.01
Mike
Right.

01:10:23.35
Bill
I didn't know a thing about him, but I'm like, this might be interesting, you know, but...

01:10:24.76
Mike
Yeah. I mean, you know, he looks like a douchebag, but other than that, I have no, yeah.

01:10:28.25
Bill
hey

01:10:30.26
Mike
I yeah i mean, I probably have seen 15 minutes of his show at, you know, two minutes at a time over the past, but however long it's been, what, 20 years that fucking show has been around.

01:10:40.95
Bill
Yeah, it was good. Yeah.

01:10:42.07
Mike
Right.

01:10:42.42
Bill
Right on. Right on.

01:10:43.16
Mike
Yeah.

01:10:43.20
Bill
20 years.

01:10:43.60
Mike
So yeah.

01:10:43.70
Bill
Yep. Yep.

01:10:44.48
Mike
So 15 minutes of it out of 20 years in, in maybe 45 second increments. Um, I have no clue.

01:10:53.34
Bill
Yeah, and i I probably, when I remember, I only remember it at the time, like, when when Dawn and I got together, or were together, um and it would have been within that time frame that that show was relatively new, and I'm sure it just popped up on stuff but we ended up watching it.

01:11:01.11
Mike
the

01:11:04.76
Mike
Right.

01:11:06.70
Bill
You know, because, I mean, all he's doing is going around, and, you know, it's you know diners and drive-ins and dives and blah, bla blah, blah.

01:11:06.78
Mike
Right. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

01:11:11.89
Bill
But I think he ended up in... on Milwaukee at a couple of places and whatever.

01:11:15.46
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:11:16.55
Bill
It's just, he's, he was out there, but I mean, he's, ah ah same deal. I had no, I don't, it's not one of those things where i'm like, I'm a number one fan of of guy at this point going forward, but he, he is intelligent enough.

01:11:25.12
Mike
Right. All right.

01:11:28.62
Bill
They had a good conversation. um he doesn't seem like a dumb ass or anything like that.

01:11:29.94
Mike
right Mm-hmm.

01:11:32.74
Bill
um He was self-made, did a lot of things before he got that, got that gig. um You know, so just, it was interesting if nothing else, but I thought that just that in and of itself, it's a great fucking line, you know?

01:11:38.48
Mike
Yeah. Sure. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

01:11:43.32
Bill
i just thought it was ah I just thought it was a good line. so um And I'm listening to ah Joel Pantoliano right now. I got his audio.

01:11:51.16
Mike
Joey pants.

01:11:52.02
Bill
Yeah, Mr. mr Joey Pants, which, by the way, did you know that he's had that that nickname? And it wasn't a Hollywood thing. He got that back when he was a kid.

01:11:59.80
Mike
Yeah, it seems. Yeah.

01:12:02.04
Bill
I didn't know.

01:12:02.30
Mike
How could he not? fa

01:12:03.51
Bill
Yeah, I, again, don't, I didn't know. I didn't know how, I never even thought about it. had never even thought about how we got the nickname.

01:12:08.34
Mike
Right.

01:12:10.21
Bill
But here's the funny part. The reason I wrote this down and is kind of a side note to the thing I wrote down. But um I'm listening to him and I was, I don't know, I forget where I was. Oh, probably when was going back and forth to Wisconsin when I went up by the boys.

01:12:21.70
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:12:22.04
Bill
And I was listening to it because I got my free book on on Audible. And I saw him like, I'll grab that one. Because he's sober, by the way.

01:12:26.86
Mike
Yeah.

01:12:27.88
Bill
And I don't i haven't gotten the point where I didn't, I don't remember how long he's been sober, but he is.

01:12:28.02
Mike
Okay.

01:12:31.76
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:12:32.00
Bill
um But um he, I'm listening to this because I mean, I've watched him for years and this never clicked in into my head.

01:12:38.74
Mike
Right. Uh-huh.

01:12:40.40
Bill
But when you're listening to a voice without looking at a face, he reminds me of Marty.

01:12:43.66
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

01:12:46.36
Bill
I swear.

01:12:46.77
Mike
Yeah, I can see that.

01:12:48.44
Bill
Well, and the thing of it is, I never i never would notice it. When you're looking at him, it it never no inkling, but when you're sitting alone in your car with just a voice, I'm like, fuck it, said listen

01:12:53.21
Mike
Right. m Yeah. He's going to tell me to clean something at need any second now.

01:13:01.14
Bill
yet

01:13:02.65
Mike
Right.

01:13:02.87
Bill
Did he just say, wash your ass? What the... God damn it.

01:13:07.02
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:13:07.40
Bill
Come on, Joey Pants. Come on. But very interesting. And you know the the funny part is listening to him talk, and obviously he's narrating, and I don't get any audio books where it's not the individual doing the narrating because that adds to it for me in a good way.

01:13:18.46
Mike
right

01:13:22.36
Bill
But as he's talking, and then every once in a while, he'll he doesn't swear a lot. But when he does, it's fucking perfect. you know He swears like his characters swear.

01:13:29.24
Mike
Right.

01:13:31.99
Mike
Yeah.

01:13:32.66
Bill
you know And I'm like, this is ridiculous. Because you know he was on The Sopranos, hes all these different shows.

01:13:35.35
Mike
Right. Uh-huh.

01:13:37.74
Bill
you see We've seen him everywhere.

01:13:37.99
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:13:39.38
Bill
you know um But when he does that, I'm like, god damn, it's just it's it's interesting.

01:13:39.61
Mike
right

01:13:42.86
Bill
I don't really have a lot of things that I've... um His book is called Asylum.

01:13:46.90
Mike
oh

01:13:47.42
Bill
Because he was, which I didn't know, he was diagnosed with a, yeah like a brain disease years ago, like this mental health brain disease. um But also, obviously, one of us said the only reason he ever drank.

01:13:53.41
Mike
aha

01:13:56.74
Bill
Oh, yeah, that's that's why I wrote this out. He specifically said he goes, the only reason I ever drank was to change my mood.

01:14:02.32
Mike
Right.

01:14:02.65
Bill
He goes, I was in a bad mood. I, you know, drink to try to get the better mood. I was in the mood mood, try to do whatever.

01:14:05.53
Mike
Yeah.

01:14:07.01
Bill
And I just thought that was that was interesting because, I mean, fuck, we talk about that plenty of times.

01:14:07.48
Mike
Right.

01:14:11.10
Mike
Right.

01:14:11.70
Bill
But I haven't gotten you know too deep into the book, but that was the main thing. He sounds like Marty.

01:14:15.58
Mike
ah her

01:14:16.09
Bill
The Joey Pants, i didn't know. I never thought about the nickname, how far back he would have had that. But but yeah yeah, he just, again, kind of just same mindset as us.

01:14:19.93
Mike
Right.

01:14:24.21
Bill
He just he always drank to just try to change change his mood.

01:14:26.63
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:14:27.25
Bill
So I just thought it was i thought it was really, really interesting.

01:14:30.13
Mike
Cool.

01:14:31.00
Bill
Um, okay. So, well, you know what, let me, let me give you a little recap on, uh, my, my weekend with the boys, week because here's, here's a couple of things.

01:14:37.43
Mike
Yeah.

01:14:38.82
Bill
So just to recap for anyone who hasn't really been paying attention, because why should you pay attention to my life?

01:14:43.83
Mike
Right.

01:14:44.18
Bill
What, why the fuck do you care? You know, for any of you guys out there, but so I have a grandson that's four, four and a half.

01:14:45.84
Mike
Yeah.

01:14:50.62
Bill
Um, I've got another grandson that's a five months old, um, coming up on, yeah, coming up on six months now in a couple of weeks.

01:14:50.94
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:14:53.72
Mike
Right.

01:14:56.40
Bill
Um, And he is the the four and a half year old, really, really good most of the time, but still has these meltdown moments. You know, um he's just he's kind of a drama queen every once in a while, but he's a great kid, but he just he's he's emotional.

01:15:04.02
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:15:06.84
Mike
a Right.

01:15:10.46
Bill
You know, it's just the way the easiest way to put it.

01:15:10.58
Mike
right. Yeah,

01:15:12.70
Bill
And then the five-month-old, a lot more manageable, and I'll i'll say this you know say that now, based on the way he was you know the first time I watched him when he was only like a month or so old.

01:15:21.78
Mike
right.

01:15:22.79
Bill
Because at that point, when he's like a month or so old, you couldn't do anything with him.

01:15:23.12
Mike
Right.

01:15:25.59
Bill
You couldn't hang on to You had to put him like in this place, doing this thing, or he would just fucking freak out.

01:15:26.05
Mike
Yeah.

01:15:31.51
Mike
right yeah

01:15:33.75
Bill
But the the problem now is is that um he he's more on a ah better sleep schedule. He'll sleep you know for either a short amount of time, long amount of time, but you can figure out when he's he's more in this, i got I got to eat, sleep, and poop.

01:15:45.72
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:15:46.25
Bill
you know He's more in that lifestyle now, which is easier.

01:15:48.83
Mike
Mm-hmm. Which is wonderful.

01:15:49.41
Bill
ah

01:15:49.86
Mike
Yeah, God, I'd love that lifestyle.

01:15:50.36
Bill
Right. ah yeah Right. But but if if every time that you went to sleep, if you screamed for 20 minutes, probably wouldn't like that, would you?

01:15:53.37
Mike
Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

01:16:01.60
Bill
Yeah.

01:16:01.74
Mike
Yeah. Who says I don't? Yeah.

01:16:05.21
Bill
you know what? Touche, touche.

01:16:08.44
Mike
he

01:16:09.27
Bill
But, um and then the, here's the biggest problem. Well, the biggest number one problem is that, is I actually called Kimmy on Saturday. and The reason I called her, I said, I just wanted you, I'm like, I just want you to hear my voice.

01:16:21.34
Bill
you know i said, I want you to understand what I'm dealing with.

01:16:21.66
Mike
Yeah.

01:16:23.10
Bill
This is what it is. um I don't feel bad, but I'm like, I need you to understand what what I'm walking into.

01:16:24.06
Mike
Yeah.

01:16:27.62
Bill
i didn't want you to look at me like, what the fuck are you doing here around my kids when you sound like that, you know?

01:16:32.15
Mike
Right.

01:16:32.79
Bill
But she's like, she's like, it's fine. You know, whatever the cold was, Ollie was around the other girls. If he's going to get sick, he was going to get sick.

01:16:38.98
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:16:39.73
Bill
She's just like, you know, with, with Theo, just don't, you know, just don't kiss him. Okay.

01:16:42.90
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:16:43.61
Bill
And I'm like, oh I'll just, I won't breathe on him.

01:16:43.87
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:16:45.21
Bill
I'll try not to breathe on it or anything like that. I'll be, that's fine.

01:16:48.08
Mike
aha

01:16:48.25
Bill
You know, so it was all good. But um the biggest problem was, is by, you know, Saturday and Sunday were probably my um Saturday, Sunday, even into Monday morning. Those are the toughest days for me as far as this whole thing.

01:16:58.65
Mike
Right.

01:16:59.74
Bill
um

01:16:59.74
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:17:01.24
Bill
So and I got up, I left here. I left here at 4.15 a.m.

01:17:06.00
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:17:06.10
Bill
on Sunday morning because I needed to be up there by in Appleton by 930. And I ah worked it out with Katie and Derek.

01:17:11.51
Mike
Right.

01:17:12.90
Bill
And for everyone, that's my son and his girlfriend or his fiancee.

01:17:15.18
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:17:15.46
Bill
Now, God, it was fiancee.

01:17:15.64
Mike
Fiance. Yep. Mm-hmm.

01:17:17.62
Bill
so um stopped by and saw them for like a half hour just shot the shit with them um when i was going up there so um so i get up there and i'm tired number one i don't feel good um you know everyone's fine you know kimmy and brian left they came down to lalapalooza for the whole bit and um you know ali is doing his thing he's fine he he threw one fit on me that day not a big deal then a little bit the next morning not a big deal um but the problem was is that kimmy told me this that theo and theo's the younger one for everyone else Um, that the day before he went to sleep at, uh, went down for a nap at four and just slept until like midnight.

01:17:27.10
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:17:31.73
Mike
Right.

01:17:37.15
Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

01:17:45.43
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:17:53.44
Mike
Ah.

01:17:53.72
Bill
And I'm like, okay. You know, which, uh, it was around the time I couldn't keep him up any longer. it was like four o'clock.

01:17:59.70
Mike
right right

01:17:59.98
Bill
He's like, he went down for a nap and I just texted Kimmy. I said, so, you know, if, if this is the deal, you know, I'm like, he could easily sleep till whenever she's like, yeah, she's like, I'm sorry.

01:18:10.58
Bill
I'm like, it's not a big deal. I'm like, the minute I put Ali down, I said, I'm, I'm fucking wiped. I'm going to sleep. Well, I put Ali down 10 to 8. Okay. 5 minutes after 8, Theo wakes up.

01:18:25.20
Mike
sure

01:18:26.09
Bill
theia wakes up

01:18:26.97
Mike
sure

01:18:27.90
Bill
And I'm like, oh, fuck me, you know, because I'm like, this is going to be another hour in a minimum.

01:18:32.18
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:18:32.78
Bill
I'm go to feed him. Maybe he'll go back to sleep.

01:18:34.01
Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

01:18:34.62
Bill
And I'm like, it's a good it's a good solid hour, you know.

01:18:37.25
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:18:38.01
Bill
So, yeah, I get him up and he's trying to get him back to sleep, blah, blah. and He's crying. He's doing whatever. And then I hear Ollie like and literally an hour later in his room going, Grandpa, I'm like, like in my head, i'm like, what the fuck are you doing up?

01:18:45.78
Mike
yeah a

01:18:51.51
Bill
You know, and I opened the door. I'm like, what are you doing? He's like, I'm hungry.

01:18:54.93
Mike
you

01:18:55.56
Bill
I'm like, oh, you're hungry. We had, we had pizza. He had garlic knots. He had plenty, eat plenty to eat know?

01:19:01.43
Mike
ah hall

01:19:02.42
Bill
And I'm like, you've been in here for an hour. i got, I got Theo screaming on my shoulder at this time too.

01:19:07.42
Mike
sure

01:19:07.90
Bill
Like you, you've been in here for an hour. And I'm like, you want to get up and eat? He's like, I'm hungry. So he starts crying. I'm like, what in the world do you think you want to eat?

01:19:17.32
Mike
uh-huh yup yup sure yeah yuck

01:19:17.37
Bill
A banana. Fine. Come on.

01:19:20.98
Mike
ye yeah

01:19:21.91
Bill
was like, get out there and get a banana. So I'm doing this. And I said, by the time we, by the time we get out there, cause I was, you know, I, I wasn't yelling at him, but I'm, I'm a little stressed.

01:19:28.79
Mike
sure

01:19:29.79
Bill
I'm, I'm overtired.

01:19:29.85
Mike
yeah

01:19:31.27
Bill
don't feel good.

01:19:31.32
Mike
m

01:19:31.98
Bill
I got a screaming baby and I'm trying to get him back to sleep.

01:19:33.53
Mike
a ya

01:19:35.54
Bill
Yeah. I'm just, you know, yeah. I mean like that.

01:19:36.68
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:19:37.27
Bill
I'm like the, the worst, the worst position mentally to be dealing with two children at the time, but I'm not doing anything wrong.

01:19:37.44
Mike
Yeah.

01:19:40.60
Mike
is yeah Right.

01:19:43.22
Bill
I'm just a little stressed.

01:19:44.02
Mike
Right.

01:19:44.26
Bill
Right.

01:19:44.50
Mike
yeah

01:19:45.56
Bill
So we get out in the kitchen and i mean, this is like two minutes after and I'm, you know, he was crying a little bit because he wanted to eat. and I'm like, come on, come on, come on. But then I'm like, I'm like, okay. But I said, first of all, I said, I'm sorry. I said, I, I got up really, really early.

01:19:56.94
Bill
I said, you know, I don't feel good. I said, that's not your fault. But I said, don't feel good. said, I'm trying to get this one asleep and I'm holding up, holding up Theo and um he won't go back to sleep.

01:20:00.70
Mike
right

01:20:06.14
Bill
And I said, i'm I'm sorry. I said, I'm just a little stressed. And he's like, you know what?

01:20:08.73
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:20:09.46
Bill
He goes, my mommy gets stressed every once in a while.

01:20:11.69
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:20:12.30
Bill
She gets she gets really stressed and she gets upset too.

01:20:12.35
Mike
Right. Right. Is this...

01:20:15.22
Bill
she he's like He's like, it's okay.

01:20:15.80
Mike
aha

01:20:16.86
Bill
He's like, can I have a hug?

01:20:17.88
Mike
he

01:20:18.07
Bill
He comes up and gives me a hug. I'm like, Jesus Christ. you know So he eats his banana. He's like, well, you realize out of the meeting by a banana, I'm thirsty.

01:20:26.36
Mike
right

01:20:26.91
Bill
I'm like, Get a bottle of water.

01:20:28.57
Mike
a

01:20:28.76
Bill
Just go get water, you know? So he does that.

01:20:30.55
Mike
right

01:20:31.40
Bill
I'm like, you know, you got to brush your teeth against it because it brushes teeth this whole bit.

01:20:33.94
Mike
this

01:20:34.52
Bill
So he goes back to bed. Finally get Theo back to bed at like 10, you know?

01:20:39.42
Mike
Yeah.

01:20:39.70
Bill
And then by the time he gets to bed, I'm trying to settle myself down, make sure whatever. So I get to bed like at 11 and I've been up since like two, you know?

01:20:46.07
Mike
Sure.

01:20:46.90
Bill
And, uh, I just, i mean, fucking dead out to sleep. And then, um, Kenny's telling me, she's like a lot of times if he, if he sleeps all the way through, you know, he'll wake up at like five zero in the morning. So I start to hear him and I'm in, I'm in their bedroom with where his crib is and stuff like that because they were, they were gone.

01:21:00.83
Mike
Yeah.

01:21:01.86
Bill
So I had get sleep in their bed and, um, look over at my phone and it's five Oh four.

01:21:02.67
Mike
Yeah. Right.

01:21:07.19
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:21:07.99
Bill
And I'm like, it's fine. You know, it is what it is. i mean I've been, I've been, I've been down for six hours.

01:21:09.85
Mike
Yeah.

01:21:12.45
Bill
You know, I think I get up to go to the bathroom one time and like stumbled out, went the bathroom.

01:21:12.79
Mike
Yeah. Right.

01:21:17.17
Bill
But, um, know, then I had to get them to do the whole thing. They had to go to daycare doing this, try to get them all set. And I mean, literally right before we're about, about ready to leave.

01:21:27.83
Bill
And, up um you know, again, five, but we got to leave it like, i don't know, like eight 30 to get them there by nine. So that's stretching this, this whole time that, that Theo is going to be up, you know? So he starts to get a little crabby.

01:21:38.85
Bill
So he starts fucking going nuts about, about 15 minutes before we got to leave.

01:21:41.72
Mike
Yeah.

01:21:43.57
Bill
And I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? You know, he calmed down. But once we got the car, everything was all fine. But I'm telling you, man, it is a it is a younger man's game.

01:21:50.21
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:21:53.87
Bill
it is a It is a younger man's game.

01:21:53.91
Mike
Oh, fuck yeah.

01:21:56.03
Bill
But a couple of very endearing things.

01:21:56.06
Mike
o

01:21:58.96
Bill
First of all, I mean, just the whole bit. I mean, haven't you know, i my boys, you know, my grand boys. You having all of being around them. And, you know, Theo now, even when he was down here the the weekend before, um

01:22:10.57
Mike
Right.

01:22:11.70
Bill
I mean, I look at him and I, um you know, he smiles for me and he laughs at me and does all this stuff. kid He's like, he doesn't do that with anyone else. So it kind of makes me feel good. I do certain things.

01:22:19.70
Mike
o

01:22:20.14
Bill
He'll just look at me and i'm like, hello. He just starts laughing and I'm like, what are you looking at on my face?

01:22:22.50
Mike
Yeah, just the face. Yeah.

01:22:24.62
Bill
That's making you laugh. but Or is it just, you know, the face, you know?

01:22:25.38
Mike
Alrighty then. Yup.

01:22:28.50
Bill
it said Yeah, it's just, it's just you grabbing. I can look goofy. um But so all that was good. And then, hang on one second. I gotta give me one more moment.

01:22:39.22
Mike
now already dad

01:22:42.44
Bill
It's all good.

01:22:43.42
Mike
yep

01:22:44.15
Bill
So, um but in the morning, because here's here's the other thing, you know, because I mean, obviously we talk about all the time in here about doing our readings and those sort of things.

01:22:50.99
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:22:51.43
Bill
So I'm like, i set my I set my alarm for a certain time and I'm like, I'll get up and I'll try to get part of this stuff done. Well, no, I mean, i again, he he's the one that woke me up.

01:22:56.95
Mike
Right. Yeah, right, right.

01:23:00.54
Bill
So i'm like I'm like, okay, this is fine. i can I'll get up.

01:23:02.93
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:23:03.62
Bill
I'll go brush my teeth. I didn't even put my contacts in. I came back. i fed him. Then I'm like, oh, well i while I'm feeding him, I said, i can i can do my I'm going to do my prayers while I'm feeding him.

01:23:07.70
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:23:10.30
Mike
Sure.

01:23:13.22
Mike
Right.

01:23:13.62
Bill
That takes about you know two, three minutes.

01:23:15.72
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:23:16.31
Bill
And then um as soon as he is done with that, I can put him in his in his little bouncy seat, and I'll do my readings, which is exactly what I did.

01:23:21.99
Mike
Right.

01:23:23.48
Bill
you know so i i functioned for about 20 minutes without having my my readings under me but i i stayed sober so i'm i'm good good well we'll test the waters out there but it's okay so

01:23:23.55
Mike
Yep.

01:23:27.26
Mike
a Right. he Yeah. Yeah. It's a pretty good excuse for, you know, the 20 minute delay.

01:23:39.29
Bill
Right. I know. I know. But so um part of my part of in my prayers, I mean, I um i my my kids and, you know, the the two of them are are in my prayers.

01:23:47.06
Mike
Right. Sure.

01:23:48.41
Bill
And, you know, it's simply, you know, i I pray for, you know, Derek and Katie. And then it's it's Kimmy, Brian, Ollie and Theo.

01:23:52.02
Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yes.

01:23:55.83
Bill
So I'm sitting there and, you know, Ollie's not up yet. I'm holding Theo and I'm feeding him.

01:23:58.66
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:24:01.04
Bill
I'm saying my prayers. And as soon as I, know, I'm like, you know, Kimmy, Kimmy, Brian, Ollie.

01:24:02.30
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:24:05.39
Bill
And I look at Theo and I said, and Theo, he just, he just fucking smiled at me because I looked at him and said his name.

01:24:09.33
Mike
Sure. Sure.

01:24:12.07
Bill
So he's, he's sitting there fucking going nuts on his bottle.

01:24:12.54
Mike
sure

01:24:15.29
Mike
they

01:24:15.32
Bill
And I just looked at it He just stopped and he smiled at me. And i'm like, Jesus Christ. I'm like, again, again, right, right there, right there.

01:24:19.02
Mike
Yep. Wow.

01:24:21.12
Bill
You know?

01:24:21.14
Mike
Yep. Exactly. Yeah.

01:24:23.58
Bill
But I don't know. I mean, it's, I'll tell you, yeah, there's just, he's he's just at that point, there's none of them did anything wrong. You know, I mean, i again, i I get irritated because Ali woke up and I apologized to him.

01:24:30.46
Mike
isn this

01:24:34.39
Mike
Yeah.

01:24:34.82
Bill
I wasn't, didn't yell at him. I was just, I was fucking stressed. And I told him that.

01:24:38.39
Mike
yeah Yeah.

01:24:39.01
Bill
He's like, why Bobby gets stressed.

01:24:40.85
Mike
Right. yeah doors Don't sweat it, old man. It's fine.

01:24:43.45
Bill
Yeah, it's like, yeah, we we we all do, but I don't know.

01:24:46.26
Mike
Right.

01:24:46.73
Bill
It was just, it was it was such a I don't mean, you know, do you remember how a do it all is when they're when they're that little and, you know, I don't know.

01:24:49.62
Mike
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

01:24:52.57
Bill
it just, and like I say, I mean, it's all this stuff and I'm i'm fucking tired. I'm tired. I'm sitting there when I'm feeding them and I'm tired and I still got in my head trying to get all these different things I got to get done between then and when I when i get them off the daycare and then this little shit just fucking smiles at me just as soon as I say his name.

01:25:06.58
Mike
Yep.

01:25:07.73
Bill
I'm like, eh, all right, yeah, you got me.

01:25:08.06
Mike
All right.

01:25:10.17
Bill
You got me.

01:25:10.73
Mike
Fine. Fine.

01:25:11.64
Bill
I know.

01:25:11.77
Mike
It's fucking worth it. Fuck.

01:25:13.62
Bill
I know, which which again, you know, it's never a question, but, you know, it's still...

01:25:16.44
Mike
Right. yeah yeah get a Brief moment.

01:25:18.74
Bill
It's just... it

01:25:20.39
Mike
It's a little question.

01:25:21.53
Bill
And just this whole, um well, and when what he wouldn't what he kept, because I kept putting them I mean, it was it was bad when I was trying to get him down that second time.

01:25:22.12
Mike
Nothing wrong with that.

01:25:26.55
Mike
Right.

01:25:28.45
Bill
You know, usually let him in, you know, crying.

01:25:28.54
Mike
Yeah.

01:25:30.21
Bill
and im But I'm picking him up and doing this. i And I have to go in there, and i'm sitting with him in the rocker. And then I'm like, come on, man. I said, it's okay. And so I'm whispering in his ear, like, it's okay.

01:25:37.17
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:25:37.60
Bill
It's okay. It's okay. And he's fucking freaking, you know.

01:25:40.41
Mike
Yeah.

01:25:40.60
Bill
And, I mean, just going crazy nuts.

01:25:40.63
Mike
Yeah.

01:25:42.72
Bill
And then finally he's just like, but get done.

01:25:43.06
Mike
Yeah.

01:25:45.57
Bill
Just goes to sleep. I mean, it's just something like I'm like, I don't know what to do. You know, there's nothing more I can do.

01:25:49.40
Mike
yeah right yeah hmm yes

01:25:50.01
Bill
I can't feed him anymore. you know All I could do is just sit here and hold him, which I did. and then he you know got He calmed down and he went to sleep. and it was that yeah it was ah It was a trying moment. but yeah there was i mean i'm just in but Again, it was this it was this combination of lack of sleep, not feeling well.

01:26:05.38
Bill
um

01:26:05.78
Mike
yeah

01:26:06.46
Bill
every I couldn't have put myself in a worse position well if I would have been drunk.

01:26:09.16
Mike
Yeah.

01:26:10.20
Bill
Yeah.

01:26:10.42
Mike
Sure. yeah Yeah, exactly.

01:26:11.58
Bill
hey

01:26:12.34
Mike
Yes. Right. Yeah. Lack of sleep, not feeling well, and you're fucking old. We're not designed to do that shit anymore.

01:26:21.39
Bill
Right.

01:26:22.01
Mike
Yes.

01:26:22.33
Bill
Yeah, it is. up Yeah. And just, you know, the the thing of it is he's, he's at this, up you know, in being at five months and I remember how it was with Ali and stuff like that. You get to this, this six months and beyond, he's going to calm down.

01:26:29.58
Mike
Hmm.

01:26:32.41
Bill
He's going to be a completely different, different child, you know, a handful of months from now, you know, so it's, it's downhill from here in a good way, in a good way.

01:26:33.06
Mike
Sure.

01:26:40.38
Mike
Right.

01:26:42.04
Bill
So, but yeah, so that was, that was my, that was my weekend. so

01:26:46.10
Mike
Well, I appreciate you sharing that because it makes me grateful i don't have to fucking deal with it. Yeah.

01:26:51.65
Bill
Right.

01:26:52.44
Mike
Yeah.

01:26:52.81
Bill
Right. Well, and, you know, went with, ah with Kimmy and Brian, I mean, this, that's it for them, you know, I've got another child that's, that's getting married and, you know, so it's, the I can have another round of it, you know, but at some point, which again, you know, I, the, the thing of it is, and and I've said it before that, um you know, especially with, you know, with Kimmy and Brian, um I mean, it's, it's almost every time I say this, I'm just like, fucking really?

01:26:59.74
Mike
yeah

01:27:19.94
Bill
I'm their first choice.

01:27:21.56
Mike
Right.

01:27:22.14
Bill
You know, to babysit for their children, you know, and their kids that they don't leave with hardly anyone ever, you know.

01:27:24.84
Mike
Yep.

01:27:29.43
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:27:30.07
Bill
And I mean, both of them, not ah the older one and certainly the younger one, you know, but I'm always there.

01:27:33.11
Mike
Right. Right.

01:27:35.55
Bill
I'm always have been their first choice since Ollie was born.

01:27:36.41
Mike
Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah.

01:27:38.19
Bill
And that's a goddamn gift.

01:27:40.28
Mike
Yes, it is. Right.

01:27:41.37
Bill
You know, so who am I to complain?

01:27:41.65
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:27:44.42
Bill
And I, again, the, the, the situation that I was in highly unlikely I'm ever going to be in that same exact combination of, of shit show that I was in physically, you know, um, it's possible.

01:27:44.66
Mike
right

01:27:50.49
Mike
this is

01:27:53.66
Mike
sure right yeah right right

01:27:56.04
Bill
Don't get me wrong, but you know, it's, it's less likely that I would ever be in that situation again. So, you know, um, I will be more tolerable of myself and, and yeah, I mean, they're again, they're, I'm, I'm their first choice.

01:28:10.18
Bill
So what the hell, you know?

01:28:10.79
Mike
yep

01:28:13.69
Bill
And I do. i I fucking appreciate it. I just, I really, really do. So, okay.

01:28:17.08
Mike
yep

01:28:18.14
Bill
So um quick question for you. Have you ever been to a Bucky's? Did we ever talk about this before?

01:28:24.06
Mike
ah we I don't think we have and I have not.

01:28:27.42
Bill
and Okay, I haven't either. right i there's I pass one every once in a while either. It's the southern point of Illinois or maybe in Missouri. i don't know where it is. Maybe in southern Indiana. it's ah There's this big one off the highway.

01:28:37.54
Bill
but

01:28:38.13
Mike
Yep.

01:28:38.49
Bill
And I passed it a ton of times going down there because I've been everywhere. It seems like everywhere I go, I end up going past it. but

01:28:44.09
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:28:44.54
Bill
I would like to go in there just like that, that, um, world's biggest truck stop thing that you had told me to go into in, uh, Iowa, you know, just, just to go in as a, it's supposed to be, you know, kind of a spectacle type of thing.

01:28:50.20
Mike
Right. Right. Mm-hmm.

01:28:56.84
Bill
So, but, um, so they had a ah news story the other day and Bucky's is actually suing.

01:28:56.98
Mike
Right.

01:29:04.29
Bill
Uh, this is an Ohio reference.

01:29:06.07
Mike
Yeah.

01:29:06.68
Bill
So do you know where Beaver Creek, Ohio is?

01:29:09.91
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. Kind of.

01:29:11.86
Bill
outside of Cincinnati, I think.

01:29:13.34
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

01:29:13.93
Bill
Does that sound right?

01:29:13.94
Mike
I was going say it's down by Dayton somewhere. Yeah.

01:29:16.28
Bill
Okay.

01:29:16.64
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:29:16.72
Bill
Okay. So, oh, both of them are okay.

01:29:17.46
Mike
Yeah. Which is by Cincinnati. Yeah. Yeah.

01:29:22.90
Bill
Sorry about that.

01:29:23.00
Mike
Southwestern. Yeah.

01:29:24.06
Bill
Okay.

01:29:24.31
Mike
Southwestern.

01:29:25.94
Bill
Oh, okay.

01:29:26.06
Mike
Oh, I. Oh,

01:29:26.50
Bill
Okay. So I think Bucky's is around that. they're Maybe their corporate is known are corporates in Texas, but they have ah they have a ah store down there.

01:29:30.26
Mike
isn

01:29:35.22
Bill
So Bucky's has a store and then this other this other one. So in Beaver Creek, there's a ah store called Beaver's Mini Mart. Okay.

01:29:43.93
Mike
Right.

01:29:45.02
Bill
And apparently Bucky's is suing them based on their logo.

01:29:48.22
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:29:50.33
Bill
Okay.

01:29:50.60
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:29:51.64
Bill
Now, if if anyone wants to take a look, just look up Buc-ee's at Beaver Creek, Ohio. You'll see it. You'll see the logos. I don't see how anyone you know could ever...

01:30:02.62
Mike
Right.

01:30:03.13
Bill
i don't see how they they could be confused.

01:30:04.78
Mike
It's a cartoon beaver. I saw i saw it.

01:30:06.65
Bill
Both...

01:30:07.62
Mike
Right. Yeah. Both them. Right. They're cartoon beavers.

01:30:09.43
Bill
Right.

01:30:10.45
Mike
Yeah.

01:30:10.53
Bill
Here, real quick, I brought this back.

01:30:13.56
Mike
Thank you.

01:30:14.57
Bill
Yep. Okay.

01:30:15.54
Mike
No, thank you, Priscilla.

01:30:19.10
Bill
Yeah, Stella.

01:30:19.22
Mike
Cilla.

01:30:20.63
Bill
Stella. But yeah, I had to bring that back because I figured I was telling this story. So I i pulled that back out of my archives because I deleted that a couple weeks ago.

01:30:24.36
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:30:27.30
Bill
But so, ah and um'm they're telling the story and then I looked it up. I'm like, Jesus Christ. therere Well, two things. you know It's this little small mini-mart in the middle of you know Beaver Creek, Ohio, this small town.

01:30:35.42
Mike
Mm-hmm. Sure. Yeah.

01:30:38.30
Bill
And you know that first of all, the logo, i again, doesn't even it doesn't look the same. I mean, think about all the cartoon beavers you've seen over the years.

01:30:43.29
Mike
Right.

01:30:45.78
Bill
I mean...

01:30:45.91
Mike
Hey.

01:30:46.34
Bill
ah

01:30:46.81
Mike
Right. Right.

01:30:49.40
Bill
at these These days you go online. If you you look up cartoon beavers, you're not going to get a cartoon beaver. You're going to get... rent room ah God, I can't wait to see this week's episode picture.

01:30:56.54
Mike
right

01:31:01.09
Bill
But anyhow, so um I just thought it was kind of ridiculous. because um' you know Like they were talking about too, they're like, only a fucking moron. then that's They didn't say fucking, but they're like, only a moron would would you know ah not be able to tell the difference.

01:31:09.75
Mike
who

01:31:13.86
Bill
But they said on top of that...

01:31:14.33
Mike
Right.

01:31:15.86
Bill
Who is driving up to this little mini-mart you know and thinking, you know well, first of all, it's a mini-mart.

01:31:19.58
Mike
Yeah.

01:31:22.10
Bill
It's not a gas station.

01:31:23.13
Mike
Yeah.

01:31:23.30
Bill
It's not this monstrous city like a Buc-ee's is.

01:31:26.34
Mike
Yeah.

01:31:26.74
Bill
Nobody's ever going to – you're never going to confuse them. that's That's number one.

01:31:30.40
Mike
Right.

01:31:31.49
Bill
And then on top of it, I mean, granted, – I mean, Buc-ee's has been around – I think they said that Buc-ee's has been around longer than the store.

01:31:31.68
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:31:39.57
Bill
doesn't matter.

01:31:39.94
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:31:40.49
Bill
It's not even like they're like, it's called Bucky's beavers mini mart.

01:31:40.54
Mike
Yeah.

01:31:43.70
Mike
Right.

01:31:44.13
Bill
It's just beavers mini mart in a town called fucking beaver Creek.

01:31:45.72
Mike
Yeah.

01:31:47.37
Bill
So all that shit makes sense, you know, in the local.

01:31:47.67
Mike
Right. Right.

01:31:51.22
Bill
So any fucking picture of a beaver across the country, Bucky's could fucking go after, you know, it just, I don't know.

01:31:54.76
Mike
Hmm. All right.

01:31:57.97
Bill
It just seemed like, it seemed like a dick move to me. It's kind of what it, what it seemed like.

01:32:00.38
Mike
Yeah. Sounds like it. Yeah.

01:32:01.88
Bill
Yeah.

01:32:02.53
Mike
Well, I mean, the reason I've never been in a Buc-ee's is you can't take a truck there.

01:32:06.64
Bill
Oh, really?

01:32:07.26
Mike
Yeah. Oh, yeah. semis.

01:32:10.71
Bill
I had no clue.

01:32:11.83
Mike
Yep.

01:32:12.67
Bill
Huh? Okay.

01:32:13.89
Mike
Yep. That's like one of their things, man. No semis. So whatever. Fuck you, Buc-ee's.

01:32:20.95
Bill
So that reminds me of, uh, so the w Wisconsin with the, with the badgers, they had, they have Bucky badger and there used to be t-shirts that I had when mom hated it.

01:32:27.26
Mike
there is

01:32:29.87
Bill
I had it when i was in high school, it had the, the picture of, uh, you know, Bucky badger on it, which is normally just this little badger walking along.

01:32:34.68
Mike
Right.

01:32:37.22
Bill
But the, the one that you get, they have a t-shirt of a flipping, flipping it off, you know, flip it off.

01:32:37.46
Mike
Yeah.

01:32:40.68
Mike
Yeah.

01:32:41.35
Bill
and it said, fuck him, Bucky on it, which I thought was great.

01:32:43.72
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:32:44.07
Bill
So I ended up getting the t-shirt and she, yeah, she hated it when I was in high school.

01:32:44.63
Mike
Right.

01:32:47.11
Bill
I had that. She's like, You're not wearing that to school. like i got i get Like I got a sweatshirt on over it, so which i which I always did.

01:32:53.18
Mike
Right.

01:32:53.87
Bill
but um But yeah, so I just, I don't know, I thought it was, it reminded me of, did I, I told you about the, that bar up in Sturgeon Bay?

01:32:59.86
Mike
the Yeah.

01:33:01.17
Bill
Yeah, the Poohs?

01:33:01.56
Mike
Right.

01:33:01.81
Bill
Yeah, okay.

01:33:02.33
Mike
Yep.

01:33:02.61
Bill
Yeah, and that's, it you know, I mean, so again, somehow Disney fucking found them, you know, out in the middle of, goddamn Surgeon Bay, Wisconsin, you know, years and years ago.

01:33:02.94
Mike
Yep.

01:33:06.06
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:33:10.21
Bill
And I think this, at this point, you know what, I think Mickey Mouse and Popeye and Winnie the Pooh and all of those are now public domain.

01:33:10.80
Mike
Yep.

01:33:16.19
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:33:16.65
Bill
So I don't think it matters, but i don't know whatever some of this shit went public domain, but i don't know.

01:33:17.08
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

01:33:20.93
Bill
I just thought it was Bucky's, whatever it is. I just thought it was kind of a, kind of a dick move. Leave these, leave these little fucking little guys alone and, you Beaver Creek.

01:33:27.54
Mike
Exactly.

01:33:29.06
Bill
So, All right, so here's the good news. I've only had two. I haven't, I don't think I, well, probably coughed a couple of times into the microphone. Sorry. Sorry. hey city you So again, all of our fine listeners, I apologize for hacking into the, into the microphone, but you know, kind of is what it is.

01:33:37.17
Mike
Okay. Whatever.

01:33:46.23
Bill
Hopefully, like I said last week, maybe this shit will be better by, by next week, but for now, what do you think?

01:33:50.07
Mike
Right. For now.

01:33:51.44
Bill
We, we good? We done?

01:33:53.34
Mike
I think we're done.

01:33:55.00
Bill
Okay, cool.

01:33:55.32
Mike
a

01:33:57.09
Bill
Your turn, brother.

01:33:58.01
Mike
All right. Well, thank you, everyone, for listening to yet another episode of Sober Not Mature. As always, be kind to each other, good to each other, go out and do something nice for somebody else this week, and don't tell anybody you did it. Now, from the bottom of my heart to the depths of my soul, from the beginning of time until the ends of the earth, always and eternally,

01:34:23.26
Mike
Fuck you. And now it's time, kids. It's time for you to fuck off. Then keep fucking off. Keep fucking off till you get to that gate with the sign on it saying, you can't fuck off past here.

01:34:36.50
Mike
Climb over that gate, dream the impossible dream, and keep fucking off forever.

01:34:40.79
Bill
a that was That was almost as if you're just like... man man and

01:34:45.50
Mike
Yeah. Well.

01:34:47.67
Bill
last Last thing I got to tell you.

01:34:47.83
Mike
so

01:34:49.23
Bill
So, you know, the dating app Bumble, I mean, there's Tinder and there's Bumble and there's all those different ones out there.

01:34:52.31
Mike
Sure.

01:34:53.23
Bill
And I mean, I've been on and off these dating apps for fucking years. And I always usually, I put sober on, on my profile. It's always on there. um You know, but if I ever match with somebody, it's, a you know, the, the typical back and forth.

01:35:05.67
Bill
Hey, how are you? It's a nice day out. Isn't it? Blah, blah, this back and forth. And then really relatively quickly, I always bring up the fact that just, just so you know, kind of a heads up, I've been sober for support to me, maybe important to you, blah, blah, blah.

01:35:17.24
Mike
Right.

01:35:17.56
Bill
So, you know, again, this, whatever, I just matched with this, with this chick on there and you know, that usually they have, once you match like that, they have to respond, but they can, you can kind of preset a response now.

01:35:27.99
Bill
So the guy could just, the response comes over so you can respond to it. And the, their pre-written response was, you know, what's the, the next trip that you're really looking forward to? and like, well, that's an easy question.

01:35:38.31
Bill
And we're going, going to fucking Austin.

01:35:39.59
Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

01:35:39.99
Bill
Right. So i actually put that in there. I didn't say why, but I just said, oh i said, by the way, I said, we're going to Austin. bob but She's like, oh, I've been to Austin. I love it. You guys, you'll enjoy it. I'm like, she's like, yeah, it's almost as nice as Nashville. I'm like, oh, that's, you know, how this is all like coincidental, right?

01:35:53.46
Bill
So I'm like, because Nashville is an area we're looking at too for something. So blah, blah, blah. Then I'm like, oh, by the way, you know, I hit this whole sober thing. I saw that I got a message back from her. And this is like within the first, I don't know, 30 minutes or so that we had matched.

01:36:06.17
Bill
And then i go I go back in the app and she's gone.

01:36:11.69
Mike
Right.

01:36:12.15
Bill
And I'm like, I, I, first of all, like I just started laughing because that I can't tell you how many times it happens, but usually most people are, are nice enough, you know, where at least they'll say, and I would do the same thing too.

01:36:12.15
Mike
Right.

01:36:21.80
Mike
Yeah.

01:36:24.16
Bill
If somebody hit me with something that I just wasn't into, I'd be like, Hey, you know what?

01:36:27.74
Mike
right

01:36:28.04
Bill
I, whatever it is, that's your deal. That's cool with it. Um, not my deal, but Hey, I wish you the best type of thing.

01:36:34.17
Mike
right

01:36:35.00
Bill
Um, but she must've just saw sober like, well, fuck this dude. And, you know, again, I'm always glad to get it. that That's the reason I do it. I want to, I want to weed out this shit.

01:36:45.10
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:36:46.02
Bill
Anyhow, it just fucking made me laugh.

01:36:46.72
Mike
Right.

01:36:48.30
Bill
I mean, trying to, these fucking dating apps, dating apps are fucking garbage to begin with for the most part. Um, you know, but, uh, on top of that, just trying to do this shit sober.

01:36:53.74
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:36:57.10
Bill
It's just, it's, it fucking makes me laugh. So anyhow, I think that's it.

01:37:01.38
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:37:01.74
Bill
But here's, here's what I think. You know what i think?

01:37:03.68
Mike
Yeah, that's what.

01:37:04.66
Bill
I love you, brother.

01:37:05.69
Mike
love you, too.

01:37:07.32
Bill
And I believe, I think we'll talk soon.

01:37:09.31
Mike
Yes. We shall.

01:37:11.16
Bill
All right, bye.

01:37:12.51
Mike
Bye.