SoberNotMature - Episode 208 (It's A Major Award [Nomination])

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Bill
All right, everyone. Welcome once again to another episode of Sober, Not Mature. And ah two big days here, right? Big days?

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Mike
Okay.

00:00:13.34
Bill
yeah was good to i was just trying to see how much you might either agree or disagree or what your reaction was. That was perfect. I like that. So we're we're recording on Friday the 13th.

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Mike
Well. Uh-huh.

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Bill
Kind of fun. You know, nothing else.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
Always.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
Yeah.

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Mike
Yeah. Sure.

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Bill
And tomorrow is the is the VD day, right?

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
Doing anything with your with your with your gal? Okay. All right. Well, that conversation went well. Okay. let's ah Let's continue. So, no, I mean, I know for a lot of people, including, well, I mean, i don't I don't have anyone to spend Valentine's Day with, but I don't know. I never did much of anything anyhow. So not a more of a hallmark holiday from what I understand from a lot of people, right?

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Mike
Exactly.

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Bill
All right, so um I actually do, and you don't know about this. I've been sitting on this shit for since Wednesday, okay?

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Mike
Okay.

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Bill
I have a podcast announcement. I was going to say an announcement.

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Mike
Ooh.

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Bill
It's not personal announcement. i didn't have a heart attack. i nothing Nothing like that happened. This is a podcast announcement, but um it's a it's a good thing, and I think you're going to be excited about it and all that stuff, but it's going to be more than just a headline and be done with it.

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Mike
Okay.

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Bill
I mean, we we could do a headline before like the reading and stuff like that, but I think there's there there's a background. There's going to be some explanation. I'm sure there's going to be some commentary. It's going to be a conversation, i' I'm guessing.

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Mike
and Okay.

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Bill
So um it's up to you.

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Mike
All right.

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Bill
Because again, this was really fucking hard for me.

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Mike
Okay.

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Bill
Once you hear this, it's really hard for me to sit on this.

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Mike
they

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Bill
But I'm like, I want to tell you. I don't want to just text you or call you on the phone. I want i want your reaction to this as we're as a recording.

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Mike
ahha

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Bill
so But yeah, it's ah I think it's ah it's an exciting thing.

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Mike
okay

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Bill
So it's it's up to you because you don't know. Obviously, everyone else, fuck them. We can make them wait. That could be a tease for there for them.

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Mike
Yeah, right.

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Bill
But it's up to you if you want to hear about it first, then we'll talk about it afterwards. It's up to you. ah

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Mike
Well, as a selfish and self-centered alcoholic, um I want it now and I want it, you know, I want it two minutes ago.

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Mike
um But as a recovering alcoholic, I'm

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Bill
Ooh. Ooh. Okay. o okay

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Mike
ah We're going to take care of business as usual because that's what we do. We take care of what we need to take care of first.

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Bill
ah

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Mike
Fuck it. Anybody buy this shit?

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Bill
it's so No, it's okay.

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Mike
Okay.

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Bill
because that' i think it's you're the The fact that you're being the bigger person, I think is just fucking wonderful.

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Mike
ah

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Bill
But um here, in this you know what? this will this will tie This will tie things over.

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Mike
holmes oh

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Bill
This is from last week. You ready?

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Mike
okay

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Bill
Okay, just be quiet a second and listen.

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Mike
ha

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Bill
i yeah Speaking of Valentine's. Oh, God damn it. I just fucking deleted it. Shit. I'll have to get it back.

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Mike
Wow. Right. Mm-hmm.

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Bill
um Okay. Then the other one. So ah real quick, um it was it this so surprising. I saw this after i after I actually added this other clip, but it was Joe Pesci's birthday this week.

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Bill
He's 83 years old this week. So Which I thought, I'm like, God damn, I was thinking the same thing. God damn. But I had already. So the so anyone knows. And i'm I'm just freaky about these things.

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Bill
I get worried about taking using clips and stuff like that. Because, you know, royalties or whatever.

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Mike
right

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Bill
And stepping on people's fucking toes. But I found this. It was a free website. don Don't sign up. No anything like that. I've been on music websites before. Where they're like, at least you have to list.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
Like our the intro that we use for our advertisement or our website thing.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
That's freeware. And there was certain things on that website where if we would have used them, we would have had to in the description on every single time we used it, which would have been every episode, we would have had to credited the artist or would have had to have credited the artist.

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Mike
Right.

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Mike
Mm-hmm. Uh-huh.

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Bill
Whereas the the one that we're using is free.

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Mike
Okay.

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Bill
OK, so no, no restrictions, whatever.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
And this one just I'm like, well, I wonder if it's going to make me do it.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
It's like just fucking download it. I'm like, well, OK, it's a free website.

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Mike
he

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Bill
So anyhow, so this was the other one.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
Ready?

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Mike
Yep.

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Bill
yeah

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Mike
e Yeah, it was actually going down.

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Bill
Oh, shit, there's more. I was trying to turn the volume up. Here we go. Yeah, I know.

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Mike
He he.

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Bill
So I figured that between those two and I'll, I'll upload the, I'll upload the, oh yeah.

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Mike
dead they Upload the beaver again.

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Bill
You know, here it is. It's still in my, yeah still in my saved things here. Nice, nice beavers back. Ready?

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Bill
So in other words, um we have to talk about, i mean, the funny the funny part won't be too hard, but I'm sorry.

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Mike
Jesus, it's playing again.

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Bill
I know. sir Sorry. No, I know. i was I was trying to adjust the volume so was ready when I wanted to play it. But um but anyhow, so so we'll have to make sure.

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Mike
Mmm. That's okay. When we actually tape the episode, it'll come out much better. This is the rehearsal.

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Bill
If it, after you hear that, nevermind, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna say anything more. I'm not gonna say anything more, but this is, everyone knows this is who we are.

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Mike
Yes. So you couldn't wait.

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Bill
This is who we are anyhow.

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Mike
yes

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Bill
So, but, uh, okay. So enough of my fucking playing around. I wanted, uh, I wanted to do the beaver thing. And then I found that the funny house thing. And yeah, I went,

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Mike
so you you couldn't wait

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Bill
No, that that part of it I couldn't because you know we had talked about it. I'm like, i'm goodnna I told you I was to download that. And I almost forgot, but I had, as I was going through my notes on, i think Sunday, as I made a note about it, I'm like, oh, fuck.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
Yeah, that's right kind I got to try to find this thing.

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Mike
All right. Yes. Mm-hmm. I don't think

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Bill
so But yeah, so we have that.

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Mike
Yeah, can you? Yeah.

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Bill
But yeah, so now you're going to be the bigger man. and We're to go through and do the reading.

00:06:04.73
Mike
yes

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Bill
And then, And then do you want to wait. we can I can wait on this announcement until our anniversary episode if you want. Yeah.

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Mike
i don't think so yeah can you

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Bill
Yeah, we, no. Well, two two things I can't, and the other thing is it's so it happens to be time-sensitive, so no, I can't.

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Mike
I see. Okay.

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Bill
So, even if I wanted to, it would not be and not being in the best interest of us in this fine little podcast if I sat on it, so.

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Mike
yeah

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Mike
and Okay. All right. That's what she said.

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Bill
wait Wait, ready? I won't play it again. we We've done the beaver and up, but see, situations like that are going to be perfect for it.

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Mike
That's like, uh-huh.

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Bill
And, you know, it's Valentine's Day.

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Mike
ah ha

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Bill
She just had it stuffed. I mean, yes oh yeah.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
So, yeah.

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Mike
hes

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Bill
All right. So anyhow, anyhow.

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Mike
Aha.

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Bill
Okay. You ready?

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Mike
all right

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Bill
You good? You good?

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Mike
All right. I was ready seven minutes ago.

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Bill
Yeah. Until I was until i derailed it with it with an announcement that I haven't told you yet.

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Mike
Right. Exactly. Are you ready?

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Bill
I am.

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Mike
All right. This is a reading.

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Bill
ha

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Mike
It's from God Grant Me. It's a couple days ago. i read it and went, oh, that's pretty decent. I think I'll ah save that for Friday. So here it is. February 10th.

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Mike
It is better to begin in the evening than not at all. An English proverb. At times, we addicts feel bad for... We feel bad that we lost years to our illness.

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Mike
We wasted time, money, and energy on our addiction. Those days are gone. Let us not look behind except when our program and the steps ask us to.

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Mike
We only look behind to see the mistakes we made for one reason, in order not to make them again. Today we look forward. Today is a day to celebrate and live our sobriety to its fullest. We should embrace each moment of sobriety and live it with dignity and integrity.

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Mike
When we do this, we increase our chances of being sober tomorrow. Each day that we act from care instead of from self-pity, we learn how to be caring.

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Mike
If we are thankful this evening for today's sobriety, we increase our chances of having gratitude follow us into tomorrow. prayer for the day.

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Mike
Higher power helped me to have gratitude for each moment of sobriety as they add up into days, weeks, months, and years. Help me to see that my future depends on how well I surrender to you in the moment.

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Mike
Help me to use the evenings to look forward, not behind me. Today's action, damn pesky actions. ah i will write out I will write out six ways that my life and the world will be better as I stay sober one day, one moment at a time.

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Bill
So um I want to know how you're going to make the world a better place. I think I'm going to write down a few things about how we might make our lives better in our corner of the world and all that's our corner of the world.

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Mike
yeah

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Mike
Yes. Right.

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Bill
But um so what what was that again?

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
What did it say? Six ways to do what?

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Mike
i Uh, that might, let's see. I will write out six ways that my life and the world will be better as I stay sober one day, one moment, one day, one. Yeah. At a time.

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Bill
Well, you know what? Okay, so let's look at it this way. And I guess let's set aside my my sarcastic comment. I mean, I think possibly, well, I'm thinking, I'm guessing yes, that the the world, at least our world around us, does get better as we stay sober one day in one moment at a time, right?

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Mike
Right. okay

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
Okay. So do you need to write down six ways or tell me how your life has gotten better over the last 15 years and nine months, 10 months? been while. Yeah. 10. Goddamn. Almost 10. Exactly. Right. Right.

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Mike
10, 10, 10. Yeah. yeah Right.

00:10:02.45
Bill
woof

00:10:04.57
Mike
Several days. It'll be 10. Um, um, gee, how has my life gotten better?

00:10:06.39
Bill
exactly

00:10:10.86
Mike
Well, I don't wake up sick as hell every morning.

00:10:13.56
Bill
right

00:10:14.04
Mike
ah Um, yeah, you know, I'm not obsessed with poisoning myself every day. That's, that's nice. Um, yeah, you know, I don't know.

00:10:26.40
Mike
Yeah. Peace and serenity and tranquility. And

00:10:30.67
Bill
tranquility That's a nice one. We don't use that word though.

00:10:32.76
Mike
we don't use that.

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Bill
That word does not come up on here too often, but I like that. Tranquility.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
That's a good one.

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Mike
Tranquility. I'm tranquil. Not no longer tranquilized.

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Bill
ah

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Mike
i am just tranquil.

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
Um, yeah. Yeah, you know, shit. of There's a million ways. You this podcast is only 90 minutes long-ish.

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
Yeah. ah We could sit here for hours talking about the ways how our lives are better. um wow Well, again, little bit of happiness, little bit of ah joy and freedom and all those wonderful words that we use all the damn time because they're true.

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Bill
Right. Right. Yeah. And and just as we're going through here, and this is a quick side note, I just had a like literally a millisecond. It popped up where said there was an Internet problem and then success reconnected, which clearly is me.

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Bill
So if you if you hear anything, whatever, just raise your voice or raise your hand or whatever.

00:11:24.57
Mike
but Okay. Right.

00:11:29.72
Mike
Yeah.

00:11:30.20
Bill
whatever you got to do. I, I've only seen that happen a couple of times and that's usually when something goes out, you know, ultimately.

00:11:35.70
Mike
right

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Bill
So I'm just kind of giving you a heads up in case, uh, in case I'm just talking and then all a sudden you're, I'm not, I'm not there.

00:11:36.70
Mike
who yeah

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Bill
So I'll, I'll keep my phone over here in case I don't know. And then you, you're calling me going just so you know.

00:11:47.16
Mike
Right.

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Bill
if

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Mike
You're no longer Yeah, but on my end, everything's been peachy keen, so I think you're all right.

00:11:52.86
Bill
Right. Well, that's why I'm, that's what I'm saying. I mean, it's, uh, yeah, it's like clearly it popped up on my end. So, um, it,

00:11:57.21
Mike
Right. But I mean, there hasn't been any breakup or whatever, unless it happened when you weren't talking, which is, you know, right.

00:12:00.47
Bill
Oh, really? ah

00:12:03.89
Mike
So it was real fucking short if it was.

00:12:06.04
Bill
Well, and you know what's funny? is ah Again, a quick side note is when I was working today, there was one brief time when it said my my email, I was just about to send out an email, and it said your your changes weren't saved because you lost connection to the server. And I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? you know So um it must have happened today.

00:12:24.52
Mike
Right?

00:12:26.26
Bill
i didn't I didn't even think about it. But anyhow.

00:12:28.57
Mike
Little glitchy there in Indiana, huh?

00:12:31.29
Bill
Yeah, well, Indiana's all fucking glitchy to begin with.

00:12:33.66
Mike
yeah

00:12:33.85
Bill
and yeah And they were, I mean, it's been a couple of weeks ago now, but they were they were doing upgrades and doing all this different stuff. Who fucking knows? You know, it's, it's ah I mean, you know, Xfinity, which is what it what it is here, is no goddamn different than Spectrum or anything else.

00:12:47.29
Mike
Right.

00:12:48.06
Bill
Somebody's always fucking with something, you know, and, you know, so at any point, anything could kind of kind of zip out.

00:12:49.69
Mike
Of course.

00:12:54.18
Bill
But anyhow, so just wanted to give you a heads up. So, um but it started out in the, oh, just real quick, as far as ways lives have changed. So, um Yeah, good point.

00:13:01.11
Mike
Yes.

00:13:02.34
Bill
We only have 90 minutes. That's a really, really, really good point. I mean, there's it there's a ton of them, but I think that just just in general, and and I was thinking about it as I'm as i'm sitting here, because I'm not like completely leaned back, but you know I'm kind of kicked down.

00:13:15.96
Bill
you know I'm not sitting up. i don't have the best posture at the moment, but I'm kicked down a little bit.

00:13:18.75
Mike
Yeah.

00:13:19.92
Bill
you I got my legs crossed and I'm talking to a really good friend of mine and you know talking about other stuff that's going on.

00:13:24.44
Mike
right

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Bill
And um i I'm content, you know?

00:13:29.88
Mike
yeah

00:13:30.26
Bill
And, and I think that's just, it that just kind of clicked and I'm like contentness. I mean, no, I, I talk about it all the time and I was, I was actually anxious today because, you know, work stuff and I'm trying, I haven't traveled in like two months.

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Bill
I'm like, it got all, so trying to get all my shit together and whatever. And, um, I, I felt a little anxious for no reason. It was, ah you know, self-inflicted, but you know, then it's right.

00:13:49.98
Mike
Right. You and Beetlejuice feel it a little anxious.

00:13:54.46
Bill
Right. But dumb but yeah, it's just, you know, because i again, it's just my you've seen, you know, when I when I've been by you and I got to pack up, you know, the the Friday before I fucking tear everything down.

00:14:04.82
Bill
And that it's like everything's a fucking shit show until after we're done recording. And then I can take everything and put it all in its right place and ready to go.

00:14:09.25
Mike
Right.

00:14:12.50
Bill
And I'm good.

00:14:13.51
Mike
Yeah.

00:14:13.56
Bill
you know but But yeah, it just kind of clicked to me. And I'm like that that contentness and that, you know like you said, peace and serenity and tranquility. I i do i do like that word. But it's just this contentment you know and this the the feeling of contentment and being content. um Again, not 100% happy all the time, not 100% perfect, not 100% whatever anything is.

00:14:34.22
Bill
ah Life is still life.

00:14:34.60
Mike
Right.

00:14:35.74
Bill
you know But I mean, you know right now at this at this moment, which is what we were talking about, um You know, we're talking about moments.

00:14:36.22
Mike
Yeah.

00:14:42.13
Bill
I mean, I'm i'm content right now, and that's, what the fuck else can I ask for, you know?

00:14:43.96
Mike
yeah man Well, you could ask for all kinds of shit, but you're not going to get it.

00:14:50.49
Bill
Right? Yeah, that's there's rhetorical that was rhetorical question.

00:14:53.59
Mike
I see.

00:14:54.87
Bill
So, they but they it started off with, some it's better to begin in the evening than not at all, which which I liked.

00:15:00.67
Mike
Right.

00:15:01.96
Bill
and it It made me think of a couple of things, but did you have any specific thoughts about about that particular statement?

00:15:07.86
Mike
um I mean, well, yeah, you know, I mean, we've talked about it on here plenty of times, you know, all the time we wasted and and whatever, you know, i mean. literally decades of our lives were pissed away.

00:15:18.26
Bill
yeah Right.

00:15:19.29
Mike
um you know, right. But, but okay. So we can moan bitch and moan that our twenties and thirties were fucking wasted. um both literally and figuratively, ah

00:15:31.77
Bill
yeah yeah

00:15:34.78
Mike
But, um yeah, but, you know, so we got started in our 40s, and, you know, now we're in our 50s and just cruising along.

00:15:40.60
Bill
Right.

00:15:43.78
Mike
Things are good, right? You know, yeah, again, self-pity, and we can bitch and moan about whatever, but, yeah, the contentment. Like, it's... Shit's good now.

00:15:53.83
Mike
what i i can't go back and change that my 20s and 30s were a fucking waste of time, um especially my 30s.

00:15:54.39
Bill
Right.

00:16:01.63
Mike
And I know pretty much for you, too.

00:16:03.61
Bill
Right.

00:16:03.97
Mike
The 20s had a lot of fun. and you Um, you know, and a lot of experiences and lot of good times. Yeah. But you know, by the time the thirties hit, the alcoholism was deep and, and, yeah you know, it was, it was slogging through man, struggling and, and, and literally wasting fucking time and energy and and everything.

00:16:26.95
Mike
Um, but okay.

00:16:27.47
Bill
Right.

00:16:29.37
Mike
So then we put a stop to it and, and moved on and moving forward. And I don't know, I'm, I'm in a pretty good spot right now. How about you?

00:16:38.81
Bill
Yeah, i I am. I am. And like I said, I mean, there's there's there's so many things that and and I can't remember it. way I may have been listening to a podcast or I may have been reading something.

00:16:49.18
Bill
It could have even been in. I think it was in one of the one of might have been one of the readings today for for all I know.

00:16:54.52
Mike
Hmm.

00:16:54.78
Bill
Touchstones, if I'm not mistaken, where they were talking about planning and planning for the future and saying that, you know, it's not that you can't plan for the future, but hey, sit back.

00:16:59.26
Mike
Right.

00:17:02.80
Bill
And I think it was touchstone because I think I but think I posted that today.

00:17:05.64
Mike
That almost sounds familiar.

00:17:07.22
Bill
Yeah. And, um you know, just like ah there's nothing wrong, you know, don't don't throw your life into the future. It's you got to plan. You got to look at things.

00:17:14.49
Mike
Yeah, of course.

00:17:14.81
Bill
You got to have hopes and dreams. And we don't have to, but it's OK to have hopes and dreams.

00:17:16.37
Mike
Yep. Hmm. it may yeah It makes it a little easier.

00:17:19.30
Bill
Yeah. I know, but I'm just saying, you know, just because we got sober and didn't say, well, by the way, you know, you have to do this. You can sit around and just do nothing to, you know, you have to do hopes and dreams.

00:17:29.43
Mike
Sure.

00:17:31.18
Bill
But um but the but the thing of it is like you and I was wasn't going to correct you, but I was going to say maybe we talked about our 20s in a pretty good time. So glad you said that. So I agree with you.

00:17:41.80
Bill
and you know like don and i got together well derek was born when i was 32 so she and i got together shortly after i turned 30. so probably the first ah two three years of my 30s were pretty goddamn good and then you know kind of then then shit started to get fucking weird you know and then obviously by the by the end of my 30s you know from 37 the last four years you know before that before i got sober that's like a dark darkest time of of my life you know

00:17:55.03
Mike
Mm-hmm. Sure.

00:18:00.01
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:18:07.31
Mike
Right.

00:18:09.85
Mike
Yo.

00:18:10.52
Bill
Um, so yeah, you know i mean? But, but again, to that point, you know, we, at least we did, at least we got started because the number of people that don't, or the number of people that didn't get the opportunity or, you know, the, the number of people that, um, I don't know, maybe got started in their twenties and they're like, ah, I got this handled and, you know, start fucking around in their forties or fifties and they're dead now, you know?

00:18:16.53
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:18:20.12
Mike
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

00:18:28.73
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:18:31.29
Mike
Right. Yep.

00:18:33.43
Bill
I mean, it's kind of just, ah I don't know why, i well, I know i but I saw him in a memory, but as soon as I said that, it made me think of Pat, P-Dubs.

00:18:40.42
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:18:40.95
Bill
You know, because I mean, we still obviously don't know what happened there, but, you know, clearly, I mean, he got sober before us and, you know, was then older than us.

00:18:43.61
Mike
Right.

00:18:46.58
Mike
Yeah.

00:18:47.90
Bill
And so that was the, you know, somehow shit went wrong and he decided he didn't want to be here anymore, you know?

00:18:48.64
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:18:51.48
Mike
Yeah. Right.

00:18:54.39
Bill
But for the grace, right? I'm like, I can only laugh because it's fucking tragic.

00:18:56.38
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

00:18:58.97
Bill
um But yeah, that was the actually second thing I wrote down last time with our addiction. We just talked about that. um So I was talking about looking back at mistakes, not to simply to not make them again, I think is how the statement went.

00:19:03.67
Mike
if

00:19:09.75
Mike
Right.

00:19:10.95
Bill
And, you know, they're once again, listening to other podcasts and specifically sober podcasts. I i hear so many fucking people say, I, you know, I i don't look, I don't look in the rear view mirror because I'm not, I'm not living there anymore.

00:19:25.21
Bill
And my answer is always, why don't you look, you know, i mean, what's wrong with, yeah, go ahead.

00:19:27.86
Mike
Yeah. Yeah, you got it. Exactly. No, ah yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, the big book says, you know, we don't want to dwell on the past, but we can't close the door on it either.

00:19:36.39
Bill
Right, right.

00:19:36.46
Mike
You know, right. Yeah. It's, you know, you got to look back occasionally. So it's one to appreciate what we have now and and and two, so that we don't fucking do it again.

00:19:48.77
Bill
Right.

00:19:49.30
Mike
Yeah.

00:19:49.75
Bill
Right. Well, I mean, and that's just, even if you, even if you're, you talk to grab just grab a a fucking random, you know, normal adult off the street and, you know, ask, ask them anything, something they're good at.

00:19:57.33
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:20:00.54
Bill
And then, you know, ask them, how how did you get good at that? Yeah. You know, I mean, it's they didn't just well, I can't say that there's got to be some people that just fucking phenomenons of, you know, whatever.

00:20:03.53
Mike
Right. easy

00:20:10.80
Bill
And it just became great for the first time they, you know, ran across something, you know, but it's it's rare, you know, so people make mistakes and that's mistakes are learning opportunities.

00:20:11.26
Mike
Right.

00:20:15.99
Mike
Sure. yeah

00:20:22.61
Mike
is it

00:20:22.63
Bill
We've talked about that, right? I mean, that's the whole point.

00:20:24.10
Mike
Right.

00:20:25.08
Bill
No.

00:20:25.37
Mike
Absolutely. yeah Yeah. Right. I mean, you know, Corolla used to talk about that a lot. You know, he'd talk about athletes who were like, you know, naturally talented and they'd usually fizzle out in the pros because they didn't have the work ethic.

00:20:41.25
Mike
You know, everything came naturally to them, you know, and in school and they get to the the highest level and they, yeah, they,

00:20:41.56
Bill
Oh, yeah.

00:20:48.34
Mike
didn't have that work ethic that they had to work so hard to get to that level. They just kind of walked through it and then they didn't do very well. But the guys who had, you know, yes, they had some natural talent, but they had to improve it and work at it constantly were much better in the pro levels than the guys that were naturally talented.

00:21:09.93
Bill
Huh. That's you know what?

00:21:10.81
Mike
Yeah.

00:21:11.52
Bill
I never I never thought of that. Number one. And I don't think I've ever heard that before.

00:21:15.09
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:21:16.16
Bill
But I mean, that that makes perfect sense. You know, I mean, if if you're talking about these, you know, like kids, for instance, and I don't even know if it's kids these days.

00:21:18.87
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:21:25.77
Bill
It was kids. I know that, you know, I can think of kids when when I was younger. you know, that had, um you know, family or families that did everything for them.

00:21:29.66
Mike
he

00:21:35.00
Mike
Right.

00:21:35.06
Bill
And they they didn't know how to do anything. And nothing was ever, there was no, never any issues or problems or struggles or anything like that.

00:21:37.02
Mike
Right.

00:21:41.53
Mike
Right.

00:21:42.22
Bill
Now, you know, the the thing of it is, I mean, if if I could, if I look back and I'm like, I could probably, if I probably could have done without that struggle. I mean, I, I could have learned a lesson without that one, you know, or, or these handful of things over the years, but I, I didn't.

00:21:49.24
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

00:21:55.29
Mike
Or, but, but maybe you couldn't.

00:21:56.54
Bill
hey Well, you know, God damn it.

00:21:58.84
Mike
Yeah.

00:22:00.44
Bill
ah God, God damn it. Okay.

00:22:01.88
Mike
Right.

00:22:02.00
Bill
So fine. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe, maybe, yeah maybe you couldn't, you fuck up.

00:22:03.45
Mike
Yeah.

00:22:05.72
Bill
You you had to do, you had to do that.

00:22:06.28
Mike
Yeah.

00:22:07.72
Bill
That was there just like we things now, you know, you don't want to take away, don want to take away something. Cause we, we don't know what that is. If out of all the fucking things that we do, all of them, if there's this one little fucking thing,

00:22:18.50
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

00:22:22.01
Bill
And we take it away.

00:22:23.18
Mike
Yep.

00:22:24.06
Bill
And that was the, what did you call it one time? The Jenga model or Jenga something.

00:22:27.06
Mike
Yeah, the jangle.

00:22:27.74
Bill
Yeah. Yeah.

00:22:28.06
Mike
Yeah, exactly. Right. That tower is going to fucking fall down if you pull that one thing out. Yeah, exactly. And I don't want to find out what that one is. So I'm just going to leave them all right there and look at and go, eh, that's a pretty tower.

00:22:36.54
Bill
yeah

00:22:41.97
Bill
Wouldn't that, that would you just be, I mean, but I, yeah, I mean, that would be just a fucking kick in the balls. Wouldn't it just have, I mean, this, what, what seems to be the most simplistic thing in the world. And that was the thread that was holding everything together.

00:22:51.22
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:22:53.86
Mike
I hope.

00:22:54.26
Bill
And, and you know what? I'm not, I'm not superstitious. I'm not fearful of things or anything like that, except when it comes to, I would say, um and I don't even, superstitious is it maybe not the right way to put it.

00:22:58.46
Mike
No. Right.

00:23:06.55
Bill
Maybe this, but But when it comes to, um I'm very methodical, and I know you are too, with everything that we we do and how we do things and what we do every day.

00:23:07.16
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:23:11.44
Mike
Right.

00:23:14.43
Bill
And, and you know, we don't want to do this and don't want to do that, which I don't know.

00:23:14.81
Mike
Well.

00:23:18.58
Bill
is that it's It's trained, it's learned behavior, it's all these different things.

00:23:21.56
Mike
it is

00:23:22.41
Bill
But I don't know, part of me, I'm just like, i i I don't look at anything like, oh, you know, oh, don't say this. You know, somebody's like, I don't like, you know, I've never i've never done this or never had this bad thing happen.

00:23:33.21
Bill
Or I haven't, you know, i haven't had had a... speeding ticket years. People are like, don't say that.

00:23:37.08
Mike
Sure.

00:23:37.12
Bill
You're going to get one.

00:23:37.69
Mike
Right, right, right.

00:23:37.76
Bill
I'm like, I don't fucking believe in that. If I get a goddamn speeding ticket, I'm going to get one because I'm going too goddamn fast, which I'm going to do anyhow.

00:23:39.58
Mike
Yeah.

00:23:42.68
Mike
Exactly.

00:23:44.84
Bill
And ultimately, it's going to happen.

00:23:45.18
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. Well, mm-hmm.

00:23:47.03
Bill
You know, it's just going to fucking happen. as I don't want it to happen, but it's really not because I talked about it.

00:23:51.06
Mike
Right.

00:23:53.46
Bill
yeah

00:23:53.62
Mike
Exactly. Right. But on the other side of that, yes, my bed is made. And yes, I did have pizza for dinner tonight.

00:24:01.59
Bill
Right? Yeah?

00:24:02.17
Mike
Yeah.

00:24:03.06
Bill
Yeah.

00:24:03.09
Mike
And I'm a little spiteful.

00:24:05.77
Bill
Yeah. Yeah. A little, just, ah just a little, and just a, just a little bit of that, little bit of that sprinkled in.

00:24:07.93
Mike
Just a little.

00:24:10.45
Bill
And yeah, my, my bed is made. It's full of fucking shit. I got a pack, you know, at this point, but it's made, you know, and it's, it's, it's been made.

00:24:14.29
Mike
Nah. Right. Yeah.

00:24:18.56
Bill
So yeah.

00:24:19.13
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:24:20.24
Bill
Anyhow. So yeah, looking back at the mistakes, obviously we know, we know we have to do them. So granted not making it them again and learning from them. Definitely.

00:24:26.07
Mike
Yes.

00:24:26.97
Bill
um i ah think I wrote care rather than self pity.

00:24:33.24
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:24:34.04
Bill
I don't remember how that statement went something about showing care.

00:24:37.21
Mike
So, the yeah, showing care instead of, you know, self-pity. Well, I mean, it's the whole, you know, it giving it away and and not focusing on yourself. And, I mean, that's the way I took it was, yeah, you know, i care about somebody else because, you know, if I'm going to look at myself, know,

00:24:46.86
Bill
Right.

00:24:55.48
Mike
if I look at myself for too fucking long, yes, I'm going to get some fucking pity going on. Cause again, like we said, you know, everything's not fucking perfect and everything.

00:25:01.62
Bill
Right. Right.

00:25:04.52
Mike
Yeah. You know, I'm going to, because that's what I do. I'm going to start focusing on the negative and, Oh, I wish I had this and this would be better if it was this way and blah, blah, blah. You know, if I'm, if I'm looking at somebody else and I'm trying to help them along on their little trip of this, whatever the fuck this is, um I'm not going to be looking at myself, and therefore, I'm not going to have any self-pity.

00:25:26.20
Mike
Yeah, you know, help the old lady across the street, man, and I'm not going to worry about stepping in that puddle.

00:25:33.78
Bill
Right.

00:25:34.58
Mike
Sure.

00:25:34.87
Bill
yeah Reminded me a groundhog day stepping in the puddle. But um yeah, that's I mean, that's a good point. ah Sometimes i'm I'm writing down that this shit so quickly. It's just like these little little notes.

00:25:46.38
Bill
I look at them like I have no idea what I meant, what I meant by that, because I had the letter.

00:25:48.02
Mike
he

00:25:50.10
Bill
I have it a so a care rather than self-pity a care.

00:25:53.53
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:25:55.18
Bill
I'm I'm going to have.

00:25:55.64
Mike
I believe it's i believe it's show care or give care or something like that. Let's see.

00:26:00.66
Bill
No, Mike, I wrote down care.

00:26:02.71
Mike
Ah, well, that must be what it is then.

00:26:03.10
Bill
That's what it is.

00:26:05.35
Mike
Yes. Act from care.

00:26:08.76
Bill
Oh.

00:26:08.82
Mike
That is the phrasing.

00:26:09.04
Bill
okay

00:26:10.26
Mike
Instead of from self-pity.

00:26:10.58
Bill
actually Okay, so yeah, act a care. Act a care. Jesus.

00:26:15.70
Mike
Act of care.

00:26:16.37
Bill
at

00:26:16.38
Mike
Act of fool.

00:26:17.62
Bill
act to it theyre Act a fool. Don't don't act a fool. Act a care rather than pity the fool.

00:26:20.95
Mike
Act of pity. I pity the fool.

00:26:23.96
Bill
um But yeah, i means self-pity, Jesus Christ. that's ah yeah That's an easy one you know to to slip into if we allow ourselves.

00:26:28.86
Mike
yep Yeah, exactly.

00:26:30.92
Bill
Because everything you everything you just talked about, you know going back to you know time wasted and looking back at mistakes and all these different things, even though we sit here and we tell ourselves and we know it's true,

00:26:31.80
Mike
Yeah.

00:26:36.94
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:26:41.37
Bill
That all of these times, all of these things, all of this, quote unquote, wasted time, you know, in, you know, research that we did, you know, alcoholic research and drug at addict research and, you know, all these mistakes we made, all of those things have worth.

00:26:49.71
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:26:55.94
Bill
And we know it.

00:26:56.44
Mike
Yep.

00:26:57.18
Bill
I mean, we know it for a fact. We talk about it out here. It's not just fucking words.

00:26:59.93
Mike
Right.

00:27:00.66
Bill
I mean, we know it has it has worth, you know.

00:27:01.02
Mike
he Yeah, exactly. Right. When I'm sitting across from a guy who's got, you know, a week or a month or whatever, I'm, so you know, just shooting the shit with him. And, oh, yeah, I did that crap, too.

00:27:13.20
Mike
Oh, yeah, i was a piece of garbage, too. You know, and it's, just yeah, right. You know, and he knows I'm telling the truth. And he and then he knows he's not alone.

00:27:19.59
Bill
Right.

00:27:22.01
Bill
Right. Yeah.

00:27:22.73
Mike
Yep.

00:27:23.70
Bill
Same, same as we did too. Same as we knew that, uh, all that stuff.

00:27:25.25
Mike
Yep, exactly.

00:27:28.15
Bill
And then the, the last thing I wrote down, which is obviously something we talk about, um, over and over again, is just, I just wrote down the word gratitude because that was somewhere in the, in the wrapping up part of it.

00:27:35.51
Mike
Yep.

00:27:37.87
Bill
And, um, you know, it's, uh, it hasn't changed, you know, since we started this, this little podcast thing almost four years ago.

00:27:43.01
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:27:43.79
Bill
And I, I think I brought it up and, you know, saying that I, I do, you know, I forget sometimes to be grateful, um, that, that hasn't changed.

00:27:44.15
Mike
Mm.

00:27:49.46
Mike
Sure.

00:27:51.64
Bill
you know, it hasn't changed at all.

00:27:51.85
Mike
Nope.

00:27:53.60
Bill
And, uh, you know, again, like I said, you know, I just, this anxiousness and, you know, figuring out this and this, and there's nothing, there's nothing wrong.

00:27:54.25
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:27:59.80
Bill
There's absolutely nothing wrong with my, with my life. You know, I, I pile these things on and I mean, yeah, get again, the, I talk about all the time, the work and there's, you know, whatever the finances and I want to do things and all, whatever it is, you know?

00:28:11.26
Bill
Um, but I, don't look back and I, i don't look back sometimes and think that, you know, I mean, I have my health. I mean, that you know, I obviously you had a health scare, but I feel pretty goddamn good, you know, and still walking my ass off and everything feels fine and everything's all good.

00:28:19.34
Mike
Yep. Sure.

00:28:25.03
Bill
Oh, i coming, coming into this, it was like after I got done eating, i was like a little bit dumb like lightheaded. It's fucking weird, you know?

00:28:32.05
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:28:32.98
Bill
um And I'm like, God, what? Because I mean, and I haven't taken medication since this morning because there's one of the the blood pressure medications that that could because she told me right away, she said that

00:28:38.02
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:28:44.60
Bill
it it could lower, it lowers your blood pressure. Make sure your blood pressure is lower, which I don't have an issue, but you they're like, we're going to put you on this for a while. Anyhow, just make sure things are shits in order.

00:28:52.50
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right, yeah.

00:28:53.82
Bill
But she said just,

00:28:54.30
Mike
Well, and make sure you don't blow out the stents. Right.

00:28:56.63
Bill
right right yeah

00:28:56.91
Mike
Right.

00:28:59.48
Bill
Yeah, that's that's a good goddamn point. You got little bit more power in there to fucking blow these things out into wherever. like oh What the fuck? the fuck was that?

00:29:09.56
Mike
Right.

00:29:10.49
Bill
but um But yeah, just a little lightheaded. I'm like, Jesus Christ. you know But you know who knows? I mean i don't know you know. Maybe it was just a fluctuation in my blood pressure and you know finally hit...

00:29:18.42
Mike
Okay.

00:29:19.25
Bill
a little bit of lightheadedness, but, um, I mean, other than that, you know, I'm just, I'm so in tune with, with how I feel now, but like you said before, I mean, sometimes I wake up and i'm like, God, am I stuffed up?

00:29:26.94
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:29:30.35
Bill
I feel okay. is this It doesn't matter what the fuck it is, you know, but, but, um, yeah, I mean, again, nothing, nothing's, nothing's wrong.

00:29:31.31
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah

00:29:38.00
Bill
I mean, we're, ah we're decent health.

00:29:38.74
Mike
yeah

00:29:39.88
Bill
We got decent shit going on. And, um, I don't know, you know, again, uh, to, to be grateful for these things.

00:29:41.85
Mike
well

00:29:45.24
Bill
And I, I still forget, you know, it's fucking stupid.

00:29:47.77
Mike
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And, you know, I i don't know about you, but i I know my first week at the Keating Center, I heard Marty say, grateful drunks don't drink. And I went, ah i I wasn't sure I understood it completely, but I heard it

00:29:57.73
Bill
Right.

00:30:03.22
Mike
And then I heard it again, and then I heard it again, and then I heard it again.

00:30:03.38
Bill
Right. Yeah.

00:30:07.42
Mike
And, you know, eventually it started sinking in. And, oh, so if I'm grateful for what I have, I don't have a need. And therefore, i don't have that obsession that I need more than what I have.

00:30:20.50
Mike
m Amazing how that works.

00:30:20.98
Bill
Right.

00:30:23.14
Bill
Yeah. Grateful for what you have. And, uh, and also that, that, uh, you know, kind of bleeds into not wanting to give it all away by, you know, that, that 20 minutes or 15 minutes of, you know, of pleasure that, you know, after, after that, after that one drink, you get, you get one shot at it and that's that first, that first 20 minutes.

00:30:29.75
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

00:30:33.83
Mike
Yep.

00:30:39.59
Bill
And then you'll, you know, that we spent the rest of our drinking lives and using lives trying to find that feeling again, you know, which we thought it happened every once in a while, but it never fucking did.

00:30:40.01
Mike
Yep.

00:30:45.69
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:30:48.74
Mike
Sure.

00:30:49.28
Bill
You never feel the same way that you did the first time.

00:30:49.53
Mike
Yeah. Right.

00:30:52.38
Bill
Fucking never, you know, but yeah our our fucking dumb minds don't know that.

00:30:52.38
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. More.

00:30:56.94
Bill
We're like, we're going after it again. Let's, let's do more.

00:31:00.57
Mike
More.

00:31:01.59
Bill
Maybe, maybe that'll take care of it if we do more.

00:31:04.44
Mike
this

00:31:05.66
Bill
So, yeah, but that was a good reading. I actually, I really enjoyed it. Anything else?

00:31:10.49
Mike
Yeah.

00:31:11.45
Bill
Anything else from the reading at all?

00:31:11.81
Mike
Yeah. No. Now I'm ready to fucking hear whatever I need to hear.

00:31:16.94
Bill
Well, you want to hear it? We're getting kind of close to break time. Do we have enough time to talk about it?

00:31:19.51
Mike
Are we? I don't know.

00:31:20.86
Bill
yeah

00:31:21.18
Mike
I don't know how, I don't know what it is. So how I, I don't know how long it's going to take to talk about it. All

00:31:26.62
Bill
You know what? Here's here's the thing. it it It can and probably will wrap over after the break, but it's fine.

00:31:29.90
Mike
right.

00:31:31.70
Bill
It's it's certainly not a problem. So, okay, let me, I'm going to, hang on one second here. Where are you?

00:31:38.68
Mike
Do you have a drum roll?

00:31:40.25
Bill
um

00:31:40.89
Mike
Nah,

00:31:42.07
Bill
Hang on. Do I? Oh, no, that's,

00:31:46.07
Mike
yeah that's a rim shot.

00:31:49.88
Bill
that's what she said.

00:31:51.00
Mike
I didn't say rib job.

00:31:51.16
Bill
I'm going to,

00:31:52.72
Mike
I said rib shot.

00:31:55.35
Bill
Where the fuck are you, man? I'm going to text you.

00:31:57.02
Mike
I don't know.

00:31:58.81
Bill
why Why is your... oh Jesus Christ, there you are.

00:31:59.77
Mike
What? What? What?

00:32:02.15
Bill
I'm going to text you something real quick.

00:32:04.06
Mike
Okay.

00:32:04.23
Bill
so i want I want you to see want you to see this because Well, in the over the last

00:32:05.28
Mike
Ooh. Technology on technology. So we're recording a podcast and I'm going to get a text.

00:32:13.91
Bill
and over over the last couple of days, I've been i've been putting together some things for this for this thing I'm going to tell you about. so Okay, is that...

00:32:19.22
Mike
so Okay.

00:32:21.47
Bill
What's your your mic? How did that?

00:32:23.13
Mike
I don't know.

00:32:24.79
Bill
Okay. I just, I just texted you.

00:32:26.87
Mike
Okay. Well, I'm standing by. It's cruising through the ether now and... It's on its way from Indiana to space down to Cleveland.

00:32:42.97
Mike
And dead now, yeah.

00:32:43.10
Bill
You seriously, didn't you didn't get it yet? Really?

00:32:47.38
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:32:48.42
Bill
God, I wonder if there is something with the

00:32:51.52
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:32:52.76
Bill
Oh, yeah, it says sending. There you go. Now you should have got it there. It went through. That was weird.

00:33:00.70
Mike
dad Do you have the Jeopardy music?

00:33:03.48
Bill
yeah I have no music at all. Do you want to read what that says on there?

00:33:06.55
Mike
Ah, here we go. Image. Let's see what we have. All right, folks. m Let's see Fourth annual Sands Bar SB Academy Awards, Austin, Texas.

00:33:24.08
Bill
Yep.

00:33:24.66
Mike
The nominees for best podcast are... o Well, we've got we might as well read all the nominees, right?

00:33:34.42
Bill
Go ahead. Read it off. Yeah, read it off.

00:33:35.35
Mike
Sure. Out and about AF. As fuck? No, it's alcohol-free.

00:33:41.75
Bill
Alcohol free, I'm guessing.

00:33:43.16
Mike
Yeah, I'm guessing. Sober and lit. Soberness. Sober banter. Happiest sober.

00:33:55.22
Mike
What is this year? Sober, not mature. All right, so what the fuck does this mean?

00:34:01.43
Bill
So, so we have been, um, and here, here's the thing of the, the only other podcast I know on there, um, happiest sober is a, um, she's a girl.

00:34:12.02
Bill
She's a girl. It's a, it's a, it's a girl in her probably mid to late twenties.

00:34:12.87
Mike
She's a girl. Hey.

00:34:17.78
Bill
I forget how I ran across her podcast.

00:34:19.22
Mike
A young woman.

00:34:19.62
Bill
I've listened to it.

00:34:20.50
Mike
She's not a girl.

00:34:21.90
Bill
I'm sorry. Young woman, um,

00:34:22.84
Mike
is She eight years old. That's a girl.

00:34:25.56
Bill
I apologize. Young lady from, and she's from Canada, um has a podcast.

00:34:26.71
Mike
Yes. Okay.

00:34:30.25
Bill
Actually interesting. Her mom has been sober for like four fucking ever. She had her mom on the podcast and this and that.

00:34:35.33
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:34:36.45
Bill
So I know, i know that one.

00:34:36.91
Mike
I think you may have mentioned Mm-hmm.

00:34:39.42
Bill
Yeah. And I, she was one of the, one of the sober podcasts I listened to in the beginning, you know, and again, ran across it somehow, probably from the first one I was listening to, ah but that's the only other one I know.

00:34:44.21
Mike
Okay. Right. Right.

00:34:49.71
Bill
But so Sands Bar. Okay. And this is, this is the background part of it.

00:34:52.82
Mike
Yes.

00:34:54.03
Bill
You know you want the background or how I found out about this?

00:34:54.14
Mike
Yeah.

00:34:57.44
Mike
Uh, well, um, actually, yes.

00:35:00.08
Bill
Let's let,

00:35:00.61
Mike
I want to know what the fuck Sands Bar is.

00:35:03.29
Bill
Okay. So let's, let's, let's do this. and We were notified at Instagram. That's number one. I'll get into those details because want to read off the message and things like that a little bit.

00:35:07.48
Mike
Okay.

00:35:10.81
Bill
So Sands Bar back before we started our podcast, I was listening. The first sober podcast I ever listened to was called recovery happy hour. Her name was Trisha Lewis.

00:35:19.63
Mike
Okay.

00:35:20.97
Bill
And by the time I started listening to her, within like a month or so, she was wrapping up her podcast, but I started from the beginning. She did like 135, 38 episodes, something like that.

00:35:32.17
Bill
and um

00:35:32.62
Mike
Okay.

00:35:33.94
Bill
that's what That was my first, um i don't know, first delve into Sober Podcast. And I really enjoyed listening to her, listening to her back and forth when I was going back and forth to work. okay And that was the one that first gave me the idea when you and I talked at Thanksgiving to like, hey, you know because I'm hearing about all these things and all these different guests that she has.

00:35:43.74
Mike
Gotcha.

00:35:49.80
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:35:53.28
Bill
And she's talking about a lot of things. kind of I'd like to still, i and I mentioned it at one point, but it probably went right over your head because you didn't know who she was.

00:36:00.24
Mike
Mm, right.

00:36:01.04
Bill
But I would still like to reach out to her at some point. I've heard her on one or two other podcasts since then because she's not podcasting anymore.

00:36:08.69
Mike
Okay. Right.

00:36:10.15
Bill
I'd love to get her on because she's she lines up with us probably about 80 percent.

00:36:11.75
Mike
Yeah.

00:36:14.37
Bill
OK, probably a little bit off into the woods on some other stuff, but no big deal.

00:36:14.54
Mike
Cool.

00:36:16.98
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:36:17.82
Bill
And it's fine. You know, i mean, half of our guests are, you know, it's not a big deal.

00:36:18.87
Mike
Yeah, right, yeah, yeah.

00:36:22.04
Bill
So um one of the people that she, and I looked it up the other day just to make sure, because I'm like, I i know of this. I've i've known of Sands Bar for a long time, and I i didn't know why or I couldn't remember why.

00:36:32.89
Bill
She interviewed this guy, Chris, who's the founder of Sands Bar, back in like episode 15 of her podcast, which originally would have been, they started in 2017, if I'm not mistaken.

00:36:36.46
Mike
Okay.

00:36:44.82
Bill
Okay.

00:36:45.08
Mike
Okay.

00:36:45.30
Bill
So now Sands Bar was to begin with, it's a non-alcoholic bar, Sands Bar.

00:36:51.54
Mike
Right.

00:36:52.28
Bill
um And they all that they did to begin with was they would have ah at the time that I knew about it. They were just do pop ups. You know, they do a pop up and they're located and he's located in Austin.

00:36:59.86
Mike
Okay.

00:37:03.60
Bill
That's where they do. I think I don't remember if they went to different parts of the country, possibly different different events.

00:37:04.38
Mike
Right.

00:37:10.17
Bill
They show up and they would do a pop up bar, you know. But it's all non-alcoholic and they would partner with all these, again, wines and spirits and all these NA stuff, NA beers or whatever, and and all those different things.

00:37:12.43
Mike
Okay.

00:37:17.50
Mike
o Right. Right.

00:37:21.62
Bill
So apparently within the last, um and I don't know, ill maybe it says it on their website, and I'm going to jump on their website read a off a couple of things to you in a few minutes.

00:37:29.97
Mike
Okay.

00:37:30.58
Bill
It might say when they got ah physical location, but they now have a brick and mortar location in Austin.

00:37:35.70
Mike
so Okay.

00:37:36.74
Bill
They're looking at opening up another brick and mortar in Austin, at least one other one. I don't know about any other places in the country, but they're that they're kind of a big deal now. And they just have these, um they become very well known in the sober community.

00:37:48.69
Bill
Okay.

00:37:49.09
Mike
Okay.

00:37:50.04
Bill
And what they did was this is the fourth annual thing they're doing with these awards. So what they what they do is they're they're awarding and and i'll I'll just I'll say honoring people in the sober community who um I want to say i I don't know the right way to put it influence or have have influence on or do good things for or whatever.

00:37:54.49
Mike
I see that.

00:38:07.04
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:38:11.84
Bill
OK, so for the sober community.

00:38:11.90
Mike
Right. Okay.

00:38:13.66
Bill
So this year, I think last year was the first year that they had podcasts in there.

00:38:13.80
Mike
Yeah.

00:38:20.31
Bill
So this, I think, is the second year and it might have been something different.

00:38:20.42
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:38:23.87
Bill
I don't think they actually called it the like the best podcast, but this year is the best podcast thing.

00:38:28.50
Mike
and Okay.

00:38:29.14
Bill
But they had this whole this whole thing. And I'll get to the voting part in a minute. um This whole thing where you can vote. And it's everyone from influential people to, again, wines and spirits and in subjects and communities.

00:38:40.55
Bill
And I majority of the the things as I went through and did the voting because I voted for us already.

00:38:45.91
Mike
Okay.

00:38:46.11
Bill
Um, we're not, well, we're not, we're not the only thing on the list is my point.

00:38:49.02
Mike
Sure. Yeah. Yeah.

00:38:49.55
Bill
There's a whole, whole string of things.

00:38:49.74
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:38:51.66
Bill
Right.

00:38:51.93
Mike
Sure.

00:38:52.89
Bill
And, um, a few things I just like, well, I like that name. Cause I, I don't know. I don't know wines or spirits or beers or anything like that. But if I, if I didn't know the name, I just picked one, you know?

00:38:59.58
Mike
Right.

00:39:02.17
Bill
So, and correct.

00:39:02.39
Mike
Okay. So, so you have to vote for everything if you, okay.

00:39:06.45
Bill
Yeah. They're all, it's all required.

00:39:07.58
Mike
Yeah.

00:39:07.93
Bill
And that was a, that's the one thing that, and I put that in the promo that I made up.

00:39:09.32
Mike
Gotcha. Gotcha.

00:39:11.73
Bill
I'm like, you have to, you have to vote. It's all required that you have to do it to vote for us.

00:39:13.98
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:39:15.05
Bill
But,

00:39:15.49
Mike
Because some of those things you you can pick and choose. You don't have to vote in every category, but some of them you do for your vote to count.

00:39:21.05
Bill
Yeah, correct.

00:39:22.22
Mike
Gotcha.

00:39:22.73
Bill
Yeah, in in this one, in i'm ah part of me is ah it's kind of like I'm glad they do, but there's no way in the world that some of these votes are going to be skewed because, I mean, i don't know.

00:39:33.37
Bill
i don't i don't I can't imagine. i Maybe somebody knows one of the things in every one of the categories. I don't know.

00:39:38.78
Mike
Sure.

00:39:39.20
Bill
I mean, I'm sure there's those people out there in the sober community, but I'm sure it's not one of them, you know?

00:39:39.45
Mike
Yeah. right.

00:39:43.77
Mike
Right.

00:39:44.32
Bill
and And I'm guessing that there might be a number of people that aren't, but that is what it is. So like um Elise was nominated last year as one of the people in recovery or something like that, or in a community, I believe, because she went to the event last year, which um as I started looking back on there, the Sands Bar Instagram page, I saw pictures of Elise and this and that, blah, blah, blah.

00:39:49.31
Mike
Yeah.

00:39:57.02
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:39:59.88
Mike
Ah.

00:40:06.68
Bill
I'm like oh shit, don't remember that.

00:40:08.50
Mike
Right.

00:40:08.76
Bill
So, um so that's who they are. They're, you know, they're, they're saying, and they're doing good things for, you know, obviously the community. And that's, ah you know, it's an NA bar and blah, blah, blah, doing all that stuff. But, you know, so apparently they've got this, this whole footprint in the sober community, you know, which is again, kind, kind of cool.

00:40:22.76
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:40:24.84
Bill
So again, I've known of them.

00:40:25.11
Mike
Right.

00:40:27.40
Bill
um We, we followed them surprisingly, which I didn't know we did. But it just happened to be one of those ones where I had, there's certain people I follow, but I have their their posts muted because there's just there's just too much for me to you know for me to process you know all the time.

00:40:39.56
Mike
Right. Yeah. Right. Sure.

00:40:44.31
Bill
um And that happened to be one of the ones where the posts were muted, so I unmuted him now, and now he's following us too, which is kind of cool. So the other day in this was um Wednesday, um we get our Instagram page isn't crazy, but I mean, we've got 6,700 followers or something like that.

00:41:04.34
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:41:04.38
Bill
Nothing crazy. And, you know, i mean, we get a lot of activity and, you know, every day I go in there, there's, I mean, I, I don't do a lot on Instagram anymore.

00:41:05.48
Mike
Sure.

00:41:12.30
Bill
I post and you see the rhythm and how I post things. And every once in a while, it's more weekends, usually less because I'm out doing things, you know, so I've gotten into a rhythm with everything, but

00:41:15.12
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:41:19.27
Mike
Right.

00:41:22.21
Bill
It's also a rhythm of how I respond to things. And some people will make a comment and I'll just, you know, there's a little heart button on there you just kick it.

00:41:25.07
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:41:29.21
Mike
Right.

00:41:29.66
Bill
You know just that you basically like their comment.

00:41:29.97
Mike
Yeah.

00:41:32.26
Bill
I don't, I barely respond to anyone.

00:41:32.55
Mike
Yeah.

00:41:35.45
Bill
um and That's not a general rule, but I just don't have time. You know, and but if you see somebody who, you know, literally, if they people, you know, DM they ask a question or something like that, i always take the time to do it because I just I feel not it's not even obligated.

00:41:39.29
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:41:49.50
Bill
I mean, that's part of what we're there for. So especially if it's a sobriety question, I answer i don't blow people off.

00:41:51.19
Mike
Sure. Mm-hmm. Oh, absolutely. Right.

00:41:55.00
Bill
But we also get a lot of people who send us reels and memes and jokes and all this different shit.

00:41:59.52
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:41:59.80
Bill
And, you know, mean, a lot of times I just um ha ha put a little ha ha emoji on it or whatever.

00:42:04.18
Mike
a

00:42:05.72
Bill
And if you're, you know, if you follow us on Instagram and and you're one of the people that does that, I probably read or or really get into maybe 50% of what you send me. No offense. I just don't have fucking time, you know?

00:42:17.13
Mike
Right.

00:42:17.66
Bill
And um it just...

00:42:17.97
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. You have to know that Bill's the only one that does it. I'd never go on Instagram. So it's one guy.

00:42:25.91
Bill
Right. And, you know, in the thing of it is that I, I, I'm proud of the fact that I think our page is managed well enough where we, um, I'm on there every day. It doesn't even matter. Um, one way or the other, it could be a number of hours, one way or the other.

00:42:39.01
Bill
I mean, people get responded to either way.

00:42:42.02
Mike
Right.

00:42:42.15
Bill
It's, it's managed the way, the way it needs to be.

00:42:43.60
Mike
Yeah.

00:42:44.87
Bill
So, so I get this, I get this, um, this message in, you know, in one of the, like the, the DM messages, And, you know, it's like, cause again, there's a number of them and it just said, it just said, or no, I'm sorry.

00:42:45.07
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:42:57.38
Bill
We were tagged in a post. That's what it was. So it showed up in kind of like our, almost like in a Facebook feed type of thing, I guess is how Instagram is set up easiest way to explain it.

00:42:59.45
Mike
Okay.

00:43:04.59
Mike
Mm.

00:43:05.42
Bill
And I'm not trying to dumb it down, but I mean, that's easiest way to well, I mean, I know, but I'm not trying to be Mike, you know, Hey, you know, I

00:43:06.90
Mike
Yeah, well, that's fine. Yeah.

00:43:12.47
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:43:14.17
Bill
But, but that's kind of how it is. So I see, um, this, this thing that says, it says congratulations. Then it has a list of names that are highlighted because it has the at symbol. So they're obviously, that's how we got tagged.

00:43:25.33
Bill
So we're one of the people that just, I hit the like button and when went with my life.

00:43:28.50
Mike
right

00:43:28.69
Bill
And then I'm like, I don't know, and congratulations. Cause I, we, we get, there are some of our followers who tag us in these really nice posts that they make about recovery and whatever they'll tag us.

00:43:40.19
Bill
You know, as somebody who's part of their part of their journey and whatever, which I 100 percent appreciate, but I don't I just don't go through and listen to and read and all that stuff.

00:43:43.64
Mike
Sure. Yes.

00:43:48.91
Bill
So I do like it with my life, you know.

00:43:49.14
Mike
Yeah.

00:43:51.63
Mike
Yeah.

00:43:52.41
Bill
So then later on um that day and again on Wednesday, it's probably Wednesday morning or something. I saw that. It's probably afternoon, whatever, whatever time it was. I looked at it again. I'm like, I'm like, Oh, there, it looks like there's a, like ah a reel or a, like a post, like a video reel on there. Like, I wonder what that is. And I saw, I, you know, kind of popped into it and I'm listening to it. and the guy, this Chris, you know, he's going through this whole thing. He's like, congratulations to our, our finalists, you know, for the awards and this and that, or the, you know, obviously it gives the full thing, the Sands of our Academy awards. And these are our finalists. And here's a list. And I look, I'm like,

00:44:23.99
Bill
Wait a fucking second.

00:44:24.85
Mike
Wow.

00:44:25.07
Bill
I'm looking.

00:44:25.09
Mike
Yes. Right. Yeah.

00:44:25.59
Bill
I'm scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll.

00:44:25.89
Mike
Yeah.

00:44:26.63
Bill
Cool. I'm like, best podcast? Are you fucking kidding me?

00:44:30.10
Mike
wow

00:44:30.84
Bill
So, and this is, well, you read the names. It's six people. Okay.

00:44:33.59
Mike
here

00:44:33.68
Bill
Six podcasts. So at that moment, first of all, let's go back to gratitude for the reading, right?

00:44:40.15
Mike
yes

00:44:40.89
Bill
So extremely fucking grateful, mind blown, because then I start to think about it and I'm like, We all, we joke all the time. Everyone's got a fucking podcast, right?

00:44:49.50
Mike
right yeah

00:44:49.62
Bill
I mean, literally, I mean, all podcasts out there from, from everything from sobriety to, you know, screwing a bolt onto it whatever. I mean, there's millions of podcasts, right?

00:44:57.21
Mike
Yeah. Right.

00:44:59.67
Bill
So sobriety podcasts, thousands, thousands,

00:45:02.74
Mike
Sure. Yeah.

00:45:03.96
Bill
Thousands.

00:45:05.66
Mike
Right.

00:45:06.26
Bill
it I mean, i think there's more than 10 or more than six. Right.

00:45:09.78
Mike
Yes. Yeah.

00:45:10.49
Bill
So so then I'm like, I'm like, holy fuck. OK, we're we're one of six people that and I'm like now i'm like, well, fucking how did this happen?

00:45:18.58
Mike
Yeah.

00:45:21.70
Bill
You know.

00:45:22.20
Mike
Yeah.

00:45:23.29
Bill
So I message Chris, who is the... Let me get my text messages up here. So I message Chris, and I'll tell you what I said to him. Well, I don't have my text. Sorry. But I just said, first of all, I said, i can't even tell you how how grateful we are, a very humbling, blah, blah, blah. But I'm like, what now? I said, what do what do we do?

00:45:42.62
Bill
you know Do we do have to do anything to participate? Do we do anything to...

00:45:45.43
Mike
Sure. Yeah. Now what?

00:45:47.19
Bill
Do we have to do anything to promote? I'm like, I'm like, at this point, I'm like, even if nothing goes any further, I said, this is cool.

00:45:53.18
Mike
Yeah.

00:45:53.21
Bill
Really, really cool. If nothing else happens, what can we do to help you promote what you're doing?

00:45:54.68
Mike
Absolutely.

00:45:57.33
Mike
It's an honor to be nominated.

00:45:59.19
Bill
It is, you know?

00:46:00.44
Mike
It is.

00:46:00.83
Bill
Yeah.

00:46:01.00
Mike
it is.

00:46:01.43
Bill
and And I told him, like, whatever, we'll we'll do whatever we can just to promote the fuck out of of what you're doing. I didn't say the F word. So he comes back and he's like, hello.

00:46:07.71
Mike
Yeah.

00:46:09.51
Bill
He goes, there's really nothing required on your end. And this is the coolest part right here.

00:46:13.67
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:46:14.30
Bill
Your nomination, meaning all the nominations also, of course, your nominat nomination came from community submissions, which is always meaningful. Okay.

00:46:22.23
Mike
Hmm.

00:46:22.54
Bill
So people in the sober community nominated us.

00:46:27.54
Mike
The fuck's wrong with you people?

00:46:30.62
Bill
Right. Okay. and ah And I'm like, first of all, I'm like, fucking really?

00:46:37.14
Mike
Yeah.

00:46:37.98
Bill
But I'm like, okay. who And where? I didn't ask. I didn't ask that question.

00:46:41.53
Mike
Yeah. Right. Yeah. Right.

00:46:42.97
Bill
i want a list.

00:46:44.70
Mike
Yeah.

00:46:44.79
Bill
God damn it. Chris, give me a list.

00:46:48.76
Mike
right

00:46:49.10
Bill
yeah But so and then he said, that but then at this, he goes, which which is always meaningful. I fucking think it's meaningful. So somehow some way out there.

00:46:55.32
Mike
yeah

00:46:57.06
Bill
um I mean, again, I knew a Sands Bar. That's why I did this whole background thing. So, I mean, I knew who they were, but I didn't know anything about, you know, these submissions or anything.

00:47:01.42
Mike
Uh-huh. Yeah.

00:47:04.34
Bill
I had never heard about it.

00:47:04.48
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:47:05.50
Bill
um Well, I mean, I did hear about it, but I didn't know because the Elise thing. So, I mean, again, outskirts thing last year.

00:47:09.24
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:47:12.18
Bill
So he said at this stage, the, the main thing that you can do if you'd like is encourage your community to vote. And, you know, my first thought was, you know, fuck it.

00:47:17.52
Mike
Yeah.

00:47:19.14
Bill
This is fine. Somehow we got this thing by not knowing what, what was happening.

00:47:23.22
Mike
Yeah. That's pretty much everything in our lives.

00:47:24.89
Bill
so

00:47:26.78
Mike
Yeah.

00:47:27.03
Bill
Correct. so I'm like, I'm like, okay, so let's, let's just let, let it fucking happen. We win. We win. No sense in whoring ourselves out, blah, blah, blah. Well, that lasted in my head for about 60 minutes.

00:47:36.60
Mike
Yeah, who who are you and what have you done with Bill? Uh-huh.

00:47:39.48
Bill
Right. And then I'm like, fuck no, man.

00:47:42.09
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:47:42.17
Bill
I'm like, this is this. I'm like, and this is why this was so hard for me to to hold on to since like literally Wednesday afternoon.

00:47:46.17
Mike
he

00:47:49.66
Bill
Cause then I'm going through all these different things and I made up the, umm so I'm like, I, let me get some of this stuff in place.

00:47:49.66
Mike
aha

00:47:53.98
Bill
I want to get some of this background stuff, this stuff. So I can, so I can intelligently not only tell you about it, but also, you know, kind of lay out the whole groundwork. So, you know, questions that you may have, I hopefully already have most of the answers, you know, so we know what we're doing.

00:48:06.31
Mike
All right.

00:48:07.32
Bill
Um, that was the only,

00:48:08.70
Mike
Well, you know what? You know what? We're going to be back with all of that information from this award-nominated podcast right after these words from our sponsor.

00:48:30.30
Bill
All right, everyone. Welcome back. And I'm again,

00:48:33.08
Mike
what the fuck are no What the fuck are we going to do if we're actually ah an award-winning podcast? What the fuck are we going

00:48:39.19
Bill
Okay. Okay. We're, we're, go we're going to get to that. I have an answer for that. Okay.

00:48:43.13
Mike
to do? He he he he he.

00:48:43.83
Bill
I have an answer. I do literally what I, what I did was, and you kind of caught me off guard with this. Again, I'm sitting here all laid back, kind of content that you start to take a break.

00:48:51.01
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:48:51.79
Bill
I'm eh, where's my pen? Got to write this down. I still got work to do after this.

00:48:53.79
Mike
He he he he he. Uh-huh.

00:48:54.95
Bill
You know, I got to cut this goddamn podcast.

00:48:55.63
Mike
He he he.

00:48:56.71
Bill
This, this award nominated, ah you know, okay, wait, let me, I got Sands Bar Academy award nominated podcast.

00:48:58.03
Mike
He he

00:49:01.65
Mike
he.

00:49:04.44
Mike
That's right.

00:49:04.56
Bill
because heres Here's the other thing.

00:49:04.98
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:49:06.84
Bill
Fucking side note, which I'm sure you picked up already. Nobody can ever fucking take away that sentence from us.

00:49:11.90
Mike
Yes. Oh, yeah, ready yeah exactly.

00:49:13.88
Bill
Ever. And they're never going to.

00:49:15.86
Mike
It's a major award, you motherfuckers.

00:49:16.22
Bill
That's. Yeah. Yeah, it here and here's the fucking deal is that even if even if we we don't win, you know, I mean, i'm not I'm not going to be upset.

00:49:22.66
Mike
Mm. Yes, right. No.

00:49:25.68
Bill
It would be fucking mind-blowing to actually fucking win.

00:49:27.98
Mike
Yes.

00:49:29.48
Bill
But even if we don't, we are literally, i i don't know.

00:49:29.66
Mike
Yes.

00:49:33.02
Mike
Yes.

00:49:33.82
Bill
this is i hope everyone else listening understands how fucking mind-blowing this is.

00:49:35.90
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Mm-hmm.

00:49:38.26
Bill
Everyone realizes how many goddamn podcasts are out there.

00:49:41.27
Mike
Yeah.

00:49:41.37
Bill
And the fact that, I mean, this is podcasts. Six.

00:49:47.49
Mike
yep

00:49:48.02
Bill
I, I mean, and yeah I'm, I'm proud of that. I'm ah fucking blown, but also proud of that.

00:49:51.13
Mike
yes he

00:49:53.81
Bill
That's why, you know, when, when, when you started going up you're reading and stuff like that, I'm like, oh, this will make even more fucking sense when, cause you're like, oh, this and that, blah, blah, blah.

00:49:59.99
Mike
he

00:50:02.17
Bill
all the things that we do. I'm like, we ain't changing fucking anything, man. Because for for whatever goddamn reason, which not that we would have, anyhow, I don't know, this this fucking shit got us nominated.

00:50:06.17
Mike
Right.

00:50:10.15
Mike
Right. No, no. Oh, no.

00:50:14.94
Bill
What?

00:50:15.55
Mike
Oh, you cut out on my end.

00:50:16.98
Bill
What? Okay, so um so anyhow, so if this thing you know at this stage, obviously, you said you, if you'd like, encourage your community to vote. So I've got a bunch of information I put together, which we can start posting and doing whatever.

00:50:26.10
Mike
no no oh no

00:50:29.98
Bill
the

00:50:30.10
Mike
up you cut out on my end

00:50:32.50
Bill
Okay, can you hear me yet or no?

00:50:33.69
Mike
i yeah I got you now. i got you now.

00:50:35.22
Bill
Okay.

00:50:36.22
Mike
Start again.

00:50:36.34
Bill
Okay. So, okay. So, um, he said at this stage, the main thing that we can do, obviously let the, uh, encourage community to vote. I put together a couple of things, not just the, the picture and I'll do other pictures and stuff like that, you know, that we can do.

00:50:49.24
Mike
I'm sure you will.

00:50:50.09
Bill
I just did that with, um, uh, chat GPT and had to put that together. I thought it was cool. The colors they put in it. um i did ah I did a post that I put up with instructions. I already have a link on our website in our spot on our sponsor page.

00:51:01.96
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:51:03.19
Bill
I'm going to put a link in every one of the, I'll have it baked into our description, the the direct link to the voting, to the forum, you know, from from this point forward until, because this goes until April 11th, the voting does.

00:51:08.54
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:51:12.86
Mike
Okay.

00:51:15.51
Mike
Right.

00:51:19.70
Mike
Okay.

00:51:20.19
Bill
Okay.

00:51:20.41
Mike
All right.

00:51:21.37
Bill
But he said the, the ballot will be live tomorrow. So this would have been Wednesday or there was Wednesdays because the ballot was live yesterday and I went through and yeah, it's at, it's at, um, again, I'm going to have all the, all these links in here, but if for anyone listening here, and this will be on our Instagram page.

00:51:26.60
Mike
Yeah.

00:51:33.16
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:51:36.45
Bill
You can also go to our website. Um, but it's the Sands bar S A N S B A R.com. One vote per email.

00:51:43.93
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:51:45.53
Bill
Just a side note. One vote per email. Okay.

00:51:49.11
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:51:49.37
Bill
ah

00:51:50.21
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:51:50.37
Bill
I'm not saying anything.

00:51:51.35
Mike
Right.

00:51:51.59
Bill
I'm just, I'm not saying, but I'm just saying,

00:51:53.34
Mike
Now, email address or...

00:51:55.67
Bill
Correct.

00:51:56.31
Mike
Okay.

00:51:56.92
Bill
I think, I don't know. I haven't, I haven't tried the, any of the other, any of the other four email addresses that I have, because I mean, we got all the business email addresses, but I haven't tried yet.

00:51:58.84
Mike
Mm. Right. Sure. Mm-hmm.

00:52:02.94
Mike
right sure

00:52:06.19
Bill
But so Sands Bar also sober, not mature.com go to our sponsor page. It's going to be the second link down on our, so on our website and our sponsor page. Plus if you go on, on our mobile app, if you go straight on mobile, scroll to the bottom, just up a little bit.

00:52:21.40
Bill
I featured it also at the bottom of our website. Easy to get to. You can go to our Instagram page. It'll be linked. Anything we post, obviously post to our Facebook page, but also in the description of this episode, plus all the episodes going forward through April 11th.

00:52:37.78
Bill
If it's a click through, you'll be able to go to it. If not, just look up Sans Bar. You'll be able to find them, go on their website and look at their menu.

00:52:42.96
Mike
Sure.

00:52:45.02
Bill
You'll see the awards and finalists and blah, blah, blah. Okay.

00:52:47.86
Mike
Yes.

00:52:48.18
Bill
um If you can't find

00:52:50.90
Mike
Yeah. Yes.

00:52:51.48
Bill
Email us or message us.

00:52:52.57
Mike
yeah

00:52:53.76
Bill
We'll send you a fucking link.

00:52:53.78
Mike
yes Yep.

00:52:56.98
Bill
But he said that after April 11th, he goes, we'll be in touch with finalists directly. So I don't know if all of us, you know, I would assume these are the, I mean, everyone is going to be there until the final vote.

00:53:08.19
Bill
I would, I would assume that's what I'm thinking.

00:53:09.53
Mike
Sure. Hmm.

00:53:10.78
Bill
But he said the Sands Bar Academy Awards will take place in Austin, Texas on August 28th and 29th. Tickets are available now. We'd love to have you join us if you're able.

00:53:21.46
Bill
Okay. So I messaged him back and I said, I'll be honest with you. i said, I don't know if we'd be able to.

00:53:26.23
Mike
Right.

00:53:27.13
Bill
I want to go to Austin. I really do.

00:53:28.55
Mike
Yeah.

00:53:29.57
Bill
It's one of the areas that I want to visit. I'm sure you've been through it.

00:53:31.32
Mike
Sure. ah Yeah, right. But never spent any time there. Yeah.

00:53:35.03
Bill
Right. And with this, and quite honestly, with this whole um business venture thing that Kathy and I, which you know about, um Austin is one of the areas that is on the list of target areas.

00:53:42.53
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:53:46.27
Bill
Okay.

00:53:46.50
Mike
Sure.

00:53:46.79
Bill
It's like good areas to be in. So it's it's not out of the realm of possibility that one way or the other, it's something, who knows.

00:53:48.79
Mike
Right.

00:53:54.30
Mike
Yeah.

00:53:54.58
Bill
But when I mess him back and I said, I'm not sure, blah, blah, blah. And he goes, well, here's the thing. He goes, um he goes if you you know if you're not going to make it or if you're not sure if you're going to make it, and he goes, if you win, he goes, what we would do is we would just prerecord your acceptance speech.

00:54:08.92
Bill
So I'm like, i don't know. We'll probably find out more after April eleventh

00:54:12.54
Mike
Yeah.

00:54:12.80
Bill
Because I'm assuming that they're going to go ahead and contact people, all the finalists.

00:54:13.53
Mike
Yeah.

00:54:16.31
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:54:17.16
Bill
And if somebody says that, hey, I'm not going to be there, then they're probably going to set up a recording time to record an acceptance speech so they can play it at the person in whatever category wins.

00:54:20.82
Mike
Right.

00:54:23.52
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:54:28.26
Mike
Right.

00:54:29.53
Bill
So, um, I'm just like, again, you know, fucking mind blown, mind blown, but let me go to, let's go to their website.

00:54:30.48
Mike
Huh? Hmm.

00:54:34.62
Mike
Guess.

00:54:37.81
Bill
Cause I want to read a couple of things on here. And if you go to their website, right on the front page of their website, just for everyone out there, um, it says SBA 2026 award finalists.

00:54:50.39
Bill
If you click on that, it's literally right on the front page of their website. That's where the voting form is. Okay. um And I just I wasn't paying attention to that before. But all right. So one second here.

00:55:05.55
Bill
It was a a thing I wanted to read off. Had a little bit more information. OK, this is the learn more section. All right, so this this is explaining what Sands Bar is in their words, okay?

00:55:21.25
Bill
We are a booze. Can you hear me?

00:55:23.61
Mike
Yeah, yeah.

00:55:24.18
Bill
Oh, God, I just looked up, and i'm like i'm I'm like seeing a flat line.

00:55:25.78
Mike
No. he

00:55:28.06
Bill
I'm like, fuck. Fuck.

00:55:28.83
Mike
Nope, nope, nope. i was I'm actually i'm on their website right now. That's what I was doing.

00:55:32.82
Bill
Oh, okay. Okay. Sorry. Sorry about that. I wasn't meaning to freak that out.

00:55:36.18
Mike
No, no worries. Go ahead.

00:55:37.56
Bill
So it's like, it's like ah okay, this is in their words what they who they are. um We are a booze-free community that was built on the idea that everyone deserves a safe and inclusive fund that is not centered around alcohol.

00:55:49.08
Bill
2017, we began as a series, monthly pop-ups around Austin, and we quickly gained a supportive following. As our audience grew, we decided to establish a brick-and-mortar bar in East Austin, and we've been there ever since.

00:56:01.16
Bill
So I don't know when the ever since is. It doesn't explain it on here. um But he said, the evolution of Sands Bar has been incredible from from our humble beginnings in the backyard of a hair salon to our beautiful space on the east side.

00:56:14.31
Bill
Our growth has been slow and steady, which is fucking when I read that, I'm like, that's fucking wonderful.

00:56:18.62
Mike
Yeah.

00:56:19.19
Bill
Because that's how we are, right? little slow and steady.

00:56:21.08
Mike
Yeah, exactly.

00:56:22.90
Bill
Now we're proud to announce that we are officially launching oh two new locations.

00:56:22.96
Mike
Hmm.

00:56:26.10
Bill
I couldn't remember it was two. One, they're going to be downtown partnering with Swift Events, Create ah create the Texas Wellness Oasis. And then there was another one, I think.

00:56:36.50
Bill
But it said every Friday starting April 7th, join us free, raw, bath, and stay. Enjoy, blah, blah, blah. ah Their bar is open to anyone who is looking to have a good time. where You don't have to be sober to join us. We just believe that you can have the same fun and adventure found in other bars around town without alcohol. We wouldn't be a bar without some killer drinks, so we partner with some of the world's top mixologists and beverage brands to offer a full menu of elevated zero-proof cocktails, wines, and beers. Okay?

00:57:06.62
Bill
So, and that's what I remembered um when, when I listened to, and I didn't remember Chris. I mean, I, I don't know, whatever it was, but I know that Trisha had him on and they were talking about all the different, you know, same deal when they do these pop-ups and they were talking about all these brands.

00:57:23.42
Bill
That's back in the time that I was telling you about when, when there was companies out there that she was having on, they were distilling, you know, whiskeys and bourbons and vodkas and all that.

00:57:30.92
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

00:57:32.34
Bill
And I'm sure that this Sands Bar has all of that fucking shit, you know?

00:57:35.32
Mike
Yeah, I would imagine so.

00:57:36.76
Bill
And again, don't mean all that shit, but you know what I mean?

00:57:38.91
Mike
Right.

00:57:39.35
Bill
You know, so, um, so yeah, I mean this, I, again, I'm just, I, I don't know. I, I don't even, it's, it's, it's fucking amazing to me, you know i mean?

00:57:44.97
Mike
Mm-hmm. All

00:57:48.80
Bill
Granted, but, um, I mean, yeah, we've got, we've got a lot of time, you know, we've got time between, you know, now on April 11th, what I thought about too, what, what you and I may, um, if we want to, we can do, you know, just in the meantime for these next couple of months is do another promo

00:57:55.51
Mike
right.

00:58:05.27
Bill
And in the middle of this, rather than doing our website, people can find our fucking website if they want to, you know, we can, we can do a promo for this, you know, if we, if we want to, but you know, so, and then once again, we're ah Instagram, we'll, we'll post the shit out I'm going to add it to our, our profile on Instagram also.

00:58:10.25
Mike
Right.

00:58:12.54
Mike
Yeah, absolutely.

00:58:23.70
Bill
And it's easy enough. I mean, up on top of our Instagram p profile where people click into our website. And I think I have the modern day hobo website up there in the sober curator. I think I can have three, For now, I'll drop the Sober Curator out of there and I'll add this, you know, so people can, you know obviously access it, you know, from from Instagram.

00:58:37.34
Mike
Right.

00:58:40.81
Bill
But the thing of it is there's plenty of places and the post that I put together has got our website, Sands Bar, the direct link on Facebook. They're all going to be click throughs.

00:58:51.88
Bill
Instagram is the only one where, and and I think I've said this before, Instagram is the only one that makes it tough because you can't you can't do click through links on on a post.

00:59:03.61
Bill
unless you have a certain unless you're at a certain level and we're not at whatever level that is. But in in your profile, you can have up to three click-through links. So, I mean, I can i could do it up there. It's not not a problem.

00:59:14.04
Mike
Yeah.

00:59:14.69
Bill
But, yeah, there'll be plenty of places. But, you know, the the thing of it is, I mean, I think it hopefully with all this excitement that, you know, Mike and I have had over these last however many minutes we've been talking about it, hopefully you can see that this is kind of meaningful.

00:59:24.19
Mike
Mm-mm.

00:59:28.02
Bill
It's not really like – I don't even know how to put this. It's not, it's, it's not like, you know, um, I, I don't, I don't feel selfish by wanting people to vote for us. I feel for, for not, I don't even, i don't know how I feel.

00:59:37.77
Mike
Mm-mm.

00:59:41.21
Mike
hey

00:59:43.28
Bill
We,

00:59:43.29
Mike
Right. Well, okay. Check it out. All right. So let me try.

00:59:47.74
Bill
okay, go, go ahead.

00:59:48.60
Mike
All right.

00:59:48.78
Bill
Go ahead.

00:59:49.04
Mike
So um clearly, like I said, the the nominees came from the community, right? People. Yeah. So um there's a community out there.

00:59:59.15
Mike
Somebody, there's ah ah apparently a group of people out there, more than one, um who who like what we do, think what we do is kind of okay and helpful and whatever, entertaining, or I have no idea.

01:00:15.16
Mike
Um, but they think something positive about what we do, uh, enough to, to point it out to someone else. Okay. So that means that this has some kind of worth, um, whether we realize it or not is kind of irrelevant.

01:00:30.22
Mike
Um, but it has some worth to someone.

01:00:30.48
Bill
Right.

01:00:32.82
Mike
So, um, to those people that found whatever they found here and decided they wanted to share it with someone else. Well,

01:00:44.25
Mike
More people, hopefully, if they're exposed to this nonsense, um they will have the same feeling and spread it to someone else.

01:00:54.74
Mike
Kind of like this whole sobriety thing works, right?

01:00:57.60
Bill
Right.

01:00:58.62
Mike
So no so that's a good thing, right?

01:00:58.87
Bill
right

01:01:01.79
Mike
That's, you know, so, um yeah, you know, yeah. it's not pride. It's not ego. It's fuck somebody out there. Apparently likes what we do and get something good from it. Um, let's, let's try to get more people to have that experience. What the fuck is wrong with that?

01:01:20.73
Bill
Right.

01:01:21.27
Mike
Yeah.

01:01:21.37
Bill
Right. Yeah. And yeah, that was perfect. Absolutely perfect. Because I didn't know what to say. I'm like, I, yeah, fucking vote for us.

01:01:25.93
Mike
Yeah.

01:01:27.72
Bill
We, it'd it'd be great if we won. But I mean, again, one way or the other, like I said before, that the fact that we even were everything that you just said, the fact that we were even recognized and, and going back to what we always talk about, you know, and, and the, the part of our promo where, where you said, you know, when we started this thing, we were just like, we're just going to do this, man.

01:01:35.38
Mike
Yeah. Right.

01:01:50.16
Bill
Yeah.

01:01:50.39
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

01:01:51.43
Bill
We're going to shoot our wad into the wind and see what happens.

01:01:51.44
Mike
Mm-hmm. yes

01:01:54.55
Bill
And you know what? I cut that clip out because it's funny as fuck, but it's true.

01:01:58.10
Mike
he

01:02:00.66
Bill
You know, it's, it's really fucking true.

01:02:01.02
Mike
this

01:02:03.46
Bill
Everything that we talk about when we started this thing and, you know, it literally was, i mean, granted we knew that, you know, the idea was hopefully that at some point somebody might listen, but

01:02:14.01
Mike
Yeah.

01:02:14.39
Bill
We didn't go into it with with the with the stakes being people have to listen or this is going to be a failure.

01:02:19.45
Mike
Yeah.

01:02:20.87
Bill
we you know i mean Granted, i was I was really into the the numbers and the statistics and the growth and all these different things because I did so much reading to try to figure out how to even make this thing work.

01:02:21.18
Mike
Sure.

01:02:28.33
Mike
hmm.

01:02:34.70
Mike
Uh huh.

01:02:35.77
Bill
you know, I mean, like physically make it work that I, and every time I ever read something that's like, how do you, how do you fix this?

01:02:38.07
Mike
Right.

01:02:42.69
Bill
Or how do you make this work? I'd get seven articles.

01:02:44.64
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:02:45.53
Bill
So I'm reading all this, all this fucking clickbait is basically what it was.

01:02:45.82
Mike
Sure.

01:02:49.00
Mike
Of course.

01:02:49.88
Bill
So, you know, I'm just getting all this shit. Like you got to grow, you got to do, you got to do this. got right I'm like, are which, you know, we, we've grown to a point and and it is what it is, you know, and we, we have our, our spikes and in our dips and our ebbs and our flows.

01:03:00.25
Mike
Yeah.

01:03:05.28
Bill
And we've been at a, at a relatively consistent level now, again, for probably almost two years, at least a year and a half, you know, we had that this, this nice upward slope to begin with.

01:03:05.85
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:03:15.04
Mike
Yeah.

01:03:19.46
Bill
And then we took a dip there for like a summer, know, probably six months, seven months in there.

01:03:19.76
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:03:22.81
Mike
Right. Yeah.

01:03:25.00
Bill
I don't know why, you know, and it was so like at that point that I'm like, well, fuck it.

01:03:26.23
Mike
Yeah.

01:03:28.84
Bill
I don't care anymore because it's, it's driving me too fucking crazy to try to care, you know?

01:03:29.86
Mike
Right.

01:03:32.38
Mike
right

01:03:33.88
Bill
And then like, I don't know, like you said, I was fucking blown away. Just, you know, number one to be nominated. And then, then on top of that, like, you know, when he said, he goes, yeah, this is your, your community.

01:03:44.28
Bill
I'm like, fucking who?

01:03:44.87
Mike
Yeah.

01:03:45.52
Bill
who who

01:03:45.91
Mike
We have a community. Yeah. Yeah.

01:03:50.20
Bill
yeah It's like, really, I mean, and then then seriously, then I start, I'm thinking about this, and I'm like, all these numbers, and I'm like, okay, wait, there's, and I'm thinking about all these fucking podcasts out here, you know, that the ones that that i that I listen to, the ones that I that i know, the ones that I see on Instagram, these huge fucking podcasts that have hundreds of thousands and this and that, and

01:03:51.54
Mike
and simson

01:04:13.05
Bill
And I'm like, we got, we got picked and it's not a matter of ha ha. We got picked. It's like, fuck, you know, we got picked and I'm like, yeah.

01:04:19.29
Mike
Yeah.

01:04:22.04
Mike
Yeah, we did.

01:04:23.71
Bill
And it just, it, it's it really is. It's, it's gratifying because of the fact that, you know, that all that we are doing here is, is being ourselves.

01:04:35.45
Bill
you know, being true to ourselves, which is how we tried, tried to, you know, carry ourselves in sobriety, which I think we've done that.

01:04:37.73
Mike
Nope.

01:04:41.61
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:04:42.29
Bill
I'll use the word successfully, you know, just cause I don't know what else word to use, you know, in our sobriety part, just being ourselves and following directions and trying to do the next right thing and whatever.

01:04:47.45
Mike
Right. Yeah.

01:04:51.61
Mike
h

01:04:52.45
Bill
And, you know, being fucking mouthy to people and this and that, I mean, all this shit. oh I mean, I'm like, that that's the recipe that, that works. Right.

01:05:00.89
Mike
yeah

01:05:01.24
Bill
I'm like, okay.

01:05:01.53
Mike
well yeah

01:05:04.47
Bill
Okay.

01:05:05.18
Mike
Well, I mean, I just keep going back to, you know, 90% of it is showing up being consistent. Right. And that's, that's what we do.

01:05:11.39
Bill
Right? Right?

01:05:12.73
Mike
It's fucking all I do. i mean, that's literally all I fucking do.

01:05:14.48
Bill
Right?

01:05:16.87
Mike
I show up. I, well, you know, of Yeah, you know, consistent, man. Just for 208 episodes now.

01:05:23.42
Bill
Eight. Yep.

01:05:24.50
Mike
i looked. I looked over. ah Right.

01:05:26.52
Bill
ah

01:05:28.98
Mike
You know, i coming up on four years. I mean, exactly. You know, this is... yeah Yeah, that's it. I mean, that's i mean that's all I've done, you know, is is show up for almost four years, just under four years and 208 episodes. hi here we are, you know. And again, yes, and being true to ourselves and being real and being honest and, and yeah, shit. Apparently, hey, they didn't lie to us. That shit pays off.

01:05:58.27
Bill
Right.

01:05:58.81
Mike
Yeah.

01:05:58.95
Bill
Right.

01:05:59.74
Mike
for

01:05:59.99
Bill
Yeah. And it just, it is, it's just, ah it's humbling, it's gratifying. And like you said, it's not a, you know, I'm, I'm proud of the, the accomplishment, but it's not a pride thing because there is a difference.

01:06:03.87
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:06:10.59
Bill
We can, you can be, you can be proud without being prideful, you know, and, you know, not being prideful in a, you know, in a egotistical or anything like that.

01:06:10.95
Mike
Yeah.

01:06:14.65
Mike
Absolutely.

01:06:19.18
Bill
And I mean, eddie anyone who's listened to us for a minute knows I'm a fucking egotist and, this would be a great opportunity for me to do it.

01:06:19.48
Mike
Yeah.

01:06:22.84
Mike
Right. he

01:06:25.22
Bill
I, I just, I can't, I can't be egotistical about this.

01:06:26.78
Mike
Yeah.

01:06:28.02
Bill
It's just, it's too fucking cool.

01:06:28.02
Mike
Right.

01:06:30.06
Bill
Right.

01:06:30.14
Mike
Well, yeah, it's, again, you know, the whole, yeah, community. I mean, you know, it's it's it's nice that there are people out there, and we kind of already knew that, you know, yeah, yeah there's people out there that enjoy what we do and whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:06:43.03
Bill
Right.

01:06:43.82
Mike
blah But then to take that extra step and push a button, you know. or whatever you type in a couple of words or, you know, fuck man.

01:06:49.37
Bill
Right.

01:06:53.42
Mike
That's wow. You know, it's a hell of a lot more than I do for anything I fucking listened to involved with, or yeah, you know, I don't, I don't get on websites and go, Hey, you guys should check this out.

01:06:58.65
Bill
Right.

01:07:04.62
Mike
You know, I mean, I'll post a song occasionally and you know, it's, I think the newest one I've ever done is, you know, 30 years old. So I ain't helping anybody doing that shit. Yeah. um Yeah, that's, that's just, that's fucking amazing.

01:07:19.56
Mike
Yes.

01:07:20.11
Bill
Right.

01:07:20.40
Mike
And, and again, yeah, pride's not the right word, but um gratifying that, that it's, it's hitting someone out there. It's doing something for someone else, you know?

01:07:32.24
Bill
Right.

01:07:32.34
Mike
Yeah. Cause I mean, like we've always said, you know, we do this to get on here and talk to each other, shoot the shit, see what's going on and talk about sobriety and blah, blah, blah, blah. blah But yeah, the fact that it is somebody else digs it too and it helps them along and on this little journey through this world, that's pretty fucking cool.

01:07:53.21
Bill
Yeah, it it is. And it just, it's, it's mind blowing. And I, and I do it. I honestly, I think that, um you know, it, it'll take a I don't know, it'll take a couple of months for us to really figure out if we can do it.

01:08:05.33
Bill
But I, I think it'd be a lot of fun to to be there.

01:08:07.26
Mike
Yeah, yeah.

01:08:08.21
Bill
You know, and I, and I think that there's a, again, there's and you and I can talk obviously at a different time. There's some, I, I know what the, once we start doing this thing, you know, what what Kathy and I are looking at doing, I think that it could be done relatively, again, methodically where it's not going to be that hard, you know, to, to do things in, in different areas.

01:08:20.44
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:08:25.59
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

01:08:29.71
Bill
And like, you know, Wisconsin is another place. Cause I'm actually, i'm I'm going up to Wisconsin tomorrow because again, over, over the next couple of weeks, I'm going to have a new grandson and you know, it, That'll be announced when when my daughter and my son-in-law obviously announce it, but I'm going to be up in the area.

01:08:34.42
Mike
Right.

01:08:37.59
Mike
Yes. Uh-huh.

01:08:43.63
Bill
And this is the Airbnb I'm staying at. I'm going to be here for two weeks. And it took me, I mean, it took me a long time.

01:08:48.72
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:08:50.69
Bill
And I've said this before. Wisconsin is a hard place to find a place to stay with the exception of where I go up north.

01:08:56.59
Mike
Right.

01:08:56.69
Bill
That's easy and it's inexpensive. And I love it, the place I go in northern Wisconsin.

01:09:00.09
Mike
Right.

01:09:01.29
Bill
Um, but I'm, I'm paying if not the most, I paid too much in Phoenix because I needed extra space. Cause friend of mine was coming in. And this is about the same thing that I paid in Phoenix a little over a year ago, um, for two weeks.

01:09:11.18
Mike
Right.

01:09:17.30
Bill
and it's way too fucking much, you know, it's probably 30% more than I, than I would normally pay for any other place in the goddamn country, you know?

01:09:19.20
Mike
Yeah.

01:09:26.12
Mike
Right.

01:09:26.39
Bill
So Wisconsin's another area. I want to find a place up there, like let somebody else fucking pay for it. And then, you know I can, I can be up there when, you know, you block off space and be up there.

01:09:32.02
Mike
Uh-huh. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Sure. hu yeah

01:09:36.15
Bill
But, um, all these things are doable, which I think that even if we, we couldn't find a, ah you know, a place already in, in Austin to be like a ah place that fits along that thing, there's plenty of Airbnbs out there, you know, and then just, we'll, we'll figure it out.

01:09:51.26
Bill
And, uh, you know, the, the other key there is that, um,

01:09:51.75
Mike
Yeah. We'll get a crappy motel.

01:09:55.45
Bill
Yeah, you know what? I mean, this the the the thing of it is, it's...

01:09:56.22
Mike
You know what the one picturing is. When we went to see the Foo Fighters.

01:10:00.70
Bill
what

01:10:02.10
Mike
he

01:10:02.14
Bill
Oh, God, yeah. Yeah, where' the the the the only thing that that... What was the line? The only thing that that did was keep us from being homeless for the night. That was that was literally the the only purpose of that hotel.

01:10:11.26
Mike
Yes.

01:10:14.26
Bill
But um but literally, these days, and I'm i'm ah i'm a full fan of ah Airbnbs over hotels, not just because I do them, but...

01:10:14.45
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:10:21.08
Bill
you know, just the fact that, I mean, it's, it's so much cheaper.

01:10:21.11
Mike
Right.

01:10:23.92
Bill
I mean, you got a place, you got more space and, you know, you can cook meals and all those sorts of things.

01:10:25.21
Mike
Yeah. Right. Yeah.

01:10:28.44
Bill
It's the price evens out, but one way or the other, we can do that part of it. But the only thing that we got to figure out is, and that goes back to the other first thing I was saying, we can get this whole other thing. Then we can figure out and, you know, there could be a business expense because, Oh, by the way, I just got it.

01:10:42.79
Mike
Ooh.

01:10:45.49
Bill
I just got a, uh, I get this fucking, I'll get notification on my phone a little bit ago. It's like ah these two emails and it's like, uh, you know, um, Spotify is sending you, I'm like, Oh, I see 80 cents.

01:10:57.21
Bill
I'm like, well, that's nice.

01:10:58.03
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:10:58.49
Bill
So I kicked in there.

01:10:58.77
Mike
Yeah.

01:10:59.57
Bill
One was that we were getting two different deposits from Spotify. One's like $15 and 47 cents, but the other one's like 80 cents.

01:11:05.65
Mike
Ooh.

01:11:07.13
Bill
It's like, so I'm like, Jesus Christ. But, um, so any house, we got that going for us.

01:11:08.97
Mike
Yep.

01:11:11.53
Bill
We got that.

01:11:11.58
Mike
Rolling in it now.

01:11:12.54
Bill
yeah we could have money coming in, but, but yeah, so I don't know.

01:11:15.00
Mike
Yeah.

01:11:16.22
Bill
I mean, we'll, we'll figure it out, but I mean, we get, we've got time, you know, even if, even if it turns out, cause I looked at the ticket prices, I think the, if I looked at it right, ticket prices now are like their presale might be 30 or 35 bucks and they might be upwards of 50 or 60.

01:11:19.83
Mike
Yeah.

01:11:30.54
Bill
They're not crazy, you know?

01:11:30.84
Mike
Mm-hmm. Yeah, right.

01:11:32.33
Bill
And then all we need to do is find a you know, a place to stay out there and blah, blah, blah, which again is not that hard.

01:11:35.38
Mike
Yeah.

01:11:36.77
Bill
So, um i I think we could do it We just got to figure out how how we want to pay for it or we could we could actually expense it because, I mean, it's'd be that'd be nice, wouldn't it?

01:11:37.26
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:11:41.82
Mike
Yeah, right. Mm-hmm. They would. But that would be the horse or the cart before the horse because we haven't even won yet.

01:11:52.54
Bill
Right. But I mean, but no, one one way or the other, we the the award ceremony is is there.

01:11:57.10
Mike
right.

01:11:58.05
Bill
So we we would go out there before we won anyhow.

01:12:01.34
Mike
Yeah, exactly.

01:12:02.67
Bill
Yeah.

01:12:02.87
Mike
As a nominee.

01:12:03.13
Bill
So. Yeah, as a as a nominee. But um I don't know.

01:12:07.26
Mike
yeah

01:12:08.55
Bill
Again, it's well we'll end up, I mean, shit, we got we got time. So for for everyone else who enjoys listening to this, you're going hear more about this anyhow.

01:12:12.02
Mike
Yeah.

01:12:15.23
Bill
So you're going to see more more shit on fucking Instagram and Facebook than you can probably shake a stick at.

01:12:15.86
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:12:20.43
Bill
But yeah, we're going to push this, try to get people to fucking vote for us hey

01:12:23.54
Mike
he Yes.

01:12:25.72
Bill
Hey, hey, even if you don't know what what any this shit is, so just get on there and vote for us.

01:12:25.78
Mike
Hey.

01:12:30.24
Bill
So.

01:12:30.84
Mike
Right.

01:12:32.15
Bill
All right. um I don't even know, man. i get I got a couple of things. You know, let's let's keep let's keep this light. Oh, you know what? um this is This is sort of light.

01:12:38.83
Mike
Hmm.

01:12:40.02
Bill
I wrote this down and it just happens to be. I wasn't sure if we'd have time to bring it up. I knew to begin with, if we wouldn't have had I would have talked about it. But okay. So 33 years ago tonight,

01:12:50.46
Mike
Yes.

01:12:51.58
Bill
I was arrested.

01:12:52.96
Mike
Sure.

01:12:55.00
Bill
I think, I think I told the story before, but let's, you want to hear a drunk story that about me getting arrested?

01:13:00.73
Mike
sure

01:13:01.56
Bill
Okay. It's, it's one of the ones that I can talk openly about because it doesn't, it doesn't hurt anyone or doesn't affect anyone other than, other than me. Pam's involved in this, but she didn't do anything wrong. And ah Pam was my, for everyone, i that's my first, my first wife, first ex-wife.

01:13:14.56
Mike
Right. Your daughter's mom.

01:13:16.09
Bill
Yeah. My daughter's mom. Yes.

01:13:17.27
Mike
Yes.

01:13:17.29
Bill
So, um, we went to, uh, me and Pam, this was, uh, February 13th of 1993, uh, me and my wife at the time and our good friend, Jeremy, who was the, um, Dawn or I'm sorry, Pam's sister, Dawn, not my ex-wife Dawn, but that was her ex-boyfriend, Jeremy.

01:13:24.32
Mike
Right.

01:13:33.02
Mike
Okay.

01:13:36.18
Bill
So that's how we met Jeremy. But Jeremy was still friends with us.

01:13:37.53
Mike
okay

01:13:38.94
Bill
They had, they had already broken up or whatever. We used to hang out with Jeremy's.

01:13:40.86
Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

01:13:41.66
Bill
He was cool. So, um, went to the auto show downtown and then, uh, we're coming back from downtown Milwaukee and stopped at this, um, this place that it was, um, it was a red carpet lane.

01:13:51.82
Bill
So a bowling alley, but they had a, literally it was a, it was this, um, three floor nightclub inside of there, like ah like a, like a dance floor level, then a little level above.

01:13:57.17
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:14:01.35
Bill
And then the upper level type of thing, kind of, uh, like balcony levels.

01:14:03.16
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:14:04.71
Bill
If you, if you can picture that.

01:14:04.89
Mike
Right.

01:14:06.07
Bill
So like open in the middle and, um,

01:14:06.44
Mike
Yeah.

01:14:09.14
Bill
So we're like, oh, let's go to what I can. God, it's like the name of the name of the bar is just almost at the tip my tongue. It's not there anymore. Clearly, not clearly.

01:14:17.02
Mike
Right.

01:14:17.21
Bill
But but anyhow, it doesn't matter. So so we went there and Pam, for the most part, didn't didn't drink that often. She did in high school, but didn't really drink that often.

01:14:27.67
Mike
Right.

01:14:27.95
Bill
She did a couple of drinks here or there.

01:14:29.59
Mike
Right.

01:14:29.90
Bill
And it was one of those.

01:14:30.33
Mike
Like a normal person.

01:14:31.77
Bill
Yeah, I mean, yeah, for the most part, you know, yeah, absolutely. But I mean, this and obviously we didn't know it at the time, but this is literally a year and two months from when we separated.

01:14:44.92
Bill
We separated a year and two months later. OK, and our relationship was not really grand at this time. Um, but this was, um, one of the, one of the first days and nights in, in a long time that not only were we getting along, we were getting along really well and having a great time.

01:14:51.03
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:15:04.08
Bill
We weren't arguing. It was, it was a fucking wonderful.

01:15:04.39
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:15:06.36
Bill
We, it was great.

01:15:07.87
Mike
Yeah.

01:15:07.96
Bill
No, no bickering, nothing, whatever. It was like, everything was great.

01:15:09.95
Mike
Gotcha.

01:15:11.36
Bill
You know?

01:15:11.71
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:15:12.31
Bill
So, and I say that because this is important because when I got arrested, it wasn't, if I was, well, well and here here's the thing and you'll hear the rest of the story.

01:15:14.65
Mike
Sure. No.

01:15:20.86
Bill
I think you've heard it before, but so we're there and then Pam was actually drinking more than she normally does. And again, not drinking that much. She ended up not feeling good. So we're on like the second or third level and the the bathrooms are down on the first level and she's got to go the bathroom and she's like kind of stumbly a little bit.

01:15:35.64
Bill
So I'm walking down the stairs with her. And I mean, she's about to go into the bathroom and like stumbly and not really like wobbly. She's fucking lit, right? So I go in literally just to help her. Right.

01:15:47.03
Bill
I go with her into the women's bathroom, go right into a stall and shut the door and she's throwing up. Okay.

01:15:52.63
Mike
Right.

01:15:53.14
Bill
Within a minute, maybe two minutes, it was really quick. Um, a bouncer is banging on the the door of the stall. you need to get out of here with his bathroom.

01:16:01.06
Mike
Yeah.

01:16:01.42
Bill
i'm Like, you know, my wife's sick, whatever.

01:16:01.75
Mike
he

01:16:02.66
Bill
I'm just, I I'll be out a minute. I said, I swear. I said, I'm just trying to help her up. a lot He's beating out. You need to just beat out, of you know, fucking swearing, whatever. So I, I open, I open the door and he, he grabs me, turns me around and he's a little bit shorter than me, but like built like a fucking brick shithouse.

01:16:19.48
Bill
Right.

01:16:19.80
Mike
Right.

01:16:20.50
Bill
and um grabs me in ah in a headlock, but behind me, right? So neck, neck back, so I'm looking up at the ceiling, and he shuffles me quickly out the door, out the door and right into a server with a a tray full of shots, okay?

01:16:39.13
Bill
And as we hit the server, the tray full of shots gets all dumped on me. Okay.

01:16:44.39
Mike
Right.

01:16:45.27
Bill
And they just hustled me the office now at this point because, again, I mean, the guy's fucking choking me, hurting my neck. I'm all full of booze now. Gets me to the office, and I fucking went wild. Not like not like fighting wild, but mouthy wild.

01:16:55.28
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:16:57.82
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:16:58.33
Bill
And this and that, blah, blah, blah, all the things. don't even know what I'm saying. I'm a lot of different stuff. So they end up they call they call the cops, and they call it in as a domestic dispute, okay? Okay.

01:17:07.58
Mike
Right.

01:17:07.74
Bill
which Which it wasn't. and And that's why I made a point of, granted, our relationship was shit, but this night, it was we we were having a great night, a really, really good night.

01:17:09.50
Mike
Right. Right.

01:17:16.34
Mike
Yeah.

01:17:16.98
Bill
It was like one of those things, complete innocence. And I'll give you a side note with the counselor later with my with my son as I was going through that, because that story came up.

01:17:22.16
Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Sure.

01:17:26.42
Bill
So, um you know, so blah, blah, blah. Cops come up and obviously domestic disputes. Somebody's going to jail it's fucking me. And, you know, so I go to jail and I spent the night in there. And I think this is the one I told you about. I'm like mouthy to the cops or whatever.

01:17:37.78
Bill
So I'm fucking lit, you know, too.

01:17:39.40
Mike
Yeah, sure.

01:17:39.54
Bill
I mean, and I was I was drunk on top of it.

01:17:40.26
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:17:41.66
Bill
But um but again, you know, just I was pissed off about everything. So spend the night in jail.

01:17:45.80
Mike
Right.

01:17:46.87
Bill
and They don't even they don't even process me or anything. They don't even fucking fingerprint me because I wouldn't. You know, I was being too too root unruly.

01:17:52.40
Mike
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Right.

01:17:54.65
Bill
So in the morning, know, they, they process me and then the, you know, the guard there, you know, that, or that, that officer is going through and he's like, he's like, kill what happened? He said they couldn't, you know, as he's doing my fucking fingerprints.

01:18:04.50
Mike
Right.

01:18:04.93
Bill
And he's like, he goes, they said that, yeah, he weren't able to fingerprint you last night. he goes, I'm like, yeah, it was, yeah, was bad night. And he's like, you don't seem like that type of person. And I'm like, yeah, you know, kind of is what it is.

01:18:14.94
Bill
Cause you know, again, we're all nice when we're not lit, you know?

01:18:17.19
Mike
Right.

01:18:18.68
Bill
So, um, I ended up, uh, I, they, uh, Jeremy, yeah, Jeremy came and got me. Yeah. yeah So Jeremy came and got me and then drove me back. And I mean, obviously, you know, I mean, I, I get home on, you know, the morning of Valentine's day and I mean, you know, for, for once, you know, I mean, not only that was I drunk and I got arrested, but she wasn't mad at me cause she knew it wasn't my fault.

01:18:37.69
Mike
Right.

01:18:37.82
Bill
You know, i mean, I wasn't doing anything wrong. So i it's just one of those things. So I mean, we're everything was cool with that. So I go into whatever the court date was because they, you know i called it in as domestic dispute, but it was a just it was disorderly conduct of what it is what it was.

01:18:42.69
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:18:49.08
Mike
Yeah. Right. Right.

01:18:50.65
Bill
But I'm like, you know, fuck this. don't know. I mean, what are you? 33 years ago, do the math. I'm in my 20s, you know, and I'm like, I'm going to go in there and fight this.

01:18:56.35
Mike
Yeah.

01:18:57.99
Bill
So I go in, I'm sitting down with the the district attorney, you go you go in the next room and blah, blah, blah.

01:18:58.41
Mike
Yeah.

01:19:02.93
Bill
And I'm like, yeah this and that. And I was wronged and whatever. And he pulls out, he's like, okay, hang on one second, pulls out these papers and he starts reading off. And i don't remember what I said, but all the things that I was saying.

01:19:15.54
Mike
Sure. Yeah, right.

01:19:16.56
Bill
I'll probably call the cops everything, but you know but nice, nice man.

01:19:18.42
Mike
sure

01:19:19.66
Bill
I'm doing this and that. I'm complaining about... I remember they they said i was complaining about politics. I don't know who was president at the time, but I'm complaining about the world.

01:19:24.54
Mike
you sure

01:19:27.02
Bill
I'm complaining about fucking everything. you know and i mean There's like four or five bouncers in this in this room with me at the time. They're all ready. If this dude goes fucking nuts, we're going beat the hell out of him.

01:19:36.47
Mike
yeah right

01:19:37.97
Bill
So finally, I'm just like, after he starts reading all this stuff and he goes, he goes, I can do, I can do a fine. He goes, no, this and that, you know, nothing against, against you. It's not, you know, it's a criminal offense. It's an ordinance violation.

01:19:46.54
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:19:47.17
Bill
He goes, because you can pay the fine.

01:19:47.70
Mike
Right.

01:19:49.59
Bill
You can go to trial. But he goes, this is because this is all going to be read off. And he goes, the officer is going to be there. All the bouncers are going to be there. And I'm like, where do I pay the fine?

01:19:55.88
Mike
Mm-hmm. Yeah, exactly.

01:20:00.41
Bill
But, um, but yeah, so that was, that was one of my arrests and that was one that, uh, yeah, I actually didn't do anything, but here's the thing. So year, years later, okay. Um, I'm sitting in that counselor's office at, uh, um, the custody battle I was going through with Derek.

01:20:15.93
Bill
And this is again, now it's my, now it's my son's mom and, you know, we're going through the divorce and blah, blah, blah.

01:20:16.12
Mike
Right. Yeah.

01:20:21.01
Bill
And I don't remember if, um, I remember how the story got brought up. I might even brought it up, you know, because ah he was probably going through history and blah, blah, blah, and whatever.

01:20:29.66
Mike
Yeah.

01:20:31.03
Bill
So this counselor is going through and I'm telling everything that happened. and he said, he goes, so you guys were fighting that? i'm like, no. I said, no, we're having actually a great night. And he's like, really? And I said, really? And he's like, you're sure this was the day with this was a domestic dispute, wasn't I'm like, it wasn't.

01:20:47.23
Mike
Right.

01:20:47.37
Bill
I'm like, believe me, we had plenty of other nights when, you know, shit went weird and we had terrible.

01:20:49.53
Mike
Yeah, yeah.

01:20:51.09
Bill
But I'm like, that wasn't what he wouldn't believe me.

01:20:53.82
Mike
Right, of course not.

01:20:55.25
Bill
I'm like, I'm like, I, all these other things, but I'm like, yeah, the, the one time, the one time that I actually did not, you know, what it wasn't what it, what it was called in as, and certainly not, I wouldn't even say as it seemed, I don't even know.

01:21:01.69
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:21:07.40
Bill
But, um, but yeah, yeah, it came back, uh, whatever it was.

01:21:07.87
Mike
Right.

01:21:10.69
Bill
I don't want say to haunt me, but at that point, you know, we figure it was 2006, 2007, I think when I was going through that, but I don't know.

01:21:12.93
Mike
Well, yeah.

01:21:17.33
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:21:19.13
Bill
Yeah.

01:21:19.35
Mike
Right. Well, I mean, yeah yeah, again, we all have a few of those in our past, and, you know, you got to chalk it up to whatever karma, balance, whatever the hell it is, all those times we got away with shit, and, you know, yeah, right, you know, so yes, yes, you were innocent in that case, but so fucking what?

01:21:32.54
Bill
Oh yeah, no doubt. Right.

01:21:39.13
Mike
Yeah.

01:21:39.77
Bill
Right. Right.

01:21:40.79
Mike
it it

01:21:41.93
Bill
Well, you know what's funny, though? is that And I mean, not funny. It was actually eye-opening at the time. Because, I mean, they didn't...

01:21:46.78
Mike
ah

01:21:48.28
Bill
um I don't... I'm pretty... I wouldn't have really had a reason to, um like, breathalyze me or anything like that. I wasn't driving. But the the officer that processed me the next day, he brought that up.

01:21:57.78
Mike
Right.

01:22:00.96
Bill
He said... He goes, so, you know, see, ah again, I told him the whole story, whatever. And he said, how did you guys get to the bar? And I said, well, you know, we drove. Yeah. And he said, how did your um how'd your wife and you know your friend get home?

01:22:08.34
Mike
Yeah.

01:22:11.76
Bill
Like, I like I don't know. I said, I got carted out of there.

01:22:13.70
Mike
Right.

01:22:14.40
Bill
What ended up happening, though, was that there was a there was a nurse that was in the bathroom that actually ended up helping Pam out to make sure she was OK. And she ended up um I know I think Jeremy was OK to drive.

01:22:26.76
Bill
That's what it was. Jeremy was OK to drive because he didn't drink that much. But, um you know, he's like, because the officers asked me, he's like, if if you wouldn't been arrested, he goes, who would have drove home? And I said, well, I would have. And he said, well, he goes, he goes, that he goes, you might have just got, you know, you might just got saved at DUI.

01:22:36.06
Mike
Right. he

01:22:41.72
Mike
Yeah.

01:22:42.17
Bill
You know, because I know for a fact how I felt. I mean, there was no no doubt, no doubt.

01:22:44.50
Mike
Sure.

01:22:46.42
Bill
I mean, I was, I was fucked up, you know.

01:22:46.42
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. Right.

01:22:49.24
Bill
And I mean, you know, so to you to your point, I mean, yeah, exactly.

01:22:52.25
Mike
Well,

01:22:52.40
Bill
It's who knows, who knows what would have happened because there's there's no no fucking way in the world I wouldn't have drove, you know.

01:22:57.43
Mike
of course not.

01:22:58.58
Bill
I mean,

01:22:58.66
Mike
Yeah. Did it every other day. Why wouldn't we do it that day?

01:23:01.53
Bill
yeah right. you know so But yeah, that's a good point.

01:23:03.32
Mike
Right. Uh-huh.

01:23:05.43
Bill
And I mean i know like ah like yeah your your best one, I think, was when you yeah you mouthed out to those fucking cops. and they How long did they have you in jail?

01:23:11.19
Mike
ah ha

01:23:12.37
Bill
and they didn't even they didn't even have you listed in jail.

01:23:14.14
Mike
Oh, about 12 hours. Yeah. You know. Oh, yeah. And they gave me a little tune up and, you know, put me in the prostrate chair and all that. Yeah. There's no record of any of that. Uh-huh.

01:23:25.78
Bill
That's, that's what was gonna say to The fact that there was, there was no record that you were even in there. I mean, that's, that's fucking scary, man.

01:23:30.76
Mike
Yep.

01:23:32.82
Bill
You know, I mean, it is, it's just fucking scary as shit.

01:23:33.70
Mike
Isn't it, though?

01:23:37.11
Bill
So, all right. So, um, any other questions about my arrest? on Anything?

01:23:41.37
Mike
No, no.

01:23:41.48
Bill
get Anyone?

01:23:42.33
Mike
I just come to that came to my mind that's what'll happen when you make yourself a disposable human being. Yep.

01:23:48.95
Bill
yeah Exactly. Yeah.

01:23:51.04
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:23:51.12
Bill
And you, you made a, you made a really, really good point. There was plenty of times that I, um, I was due for that one. I, I deserve that one.

01:23:57.40
Mike
Yeah.

01:23:58.07
Bill
It's that should have been, I mean, that's a good way to look at it now.

01:23:58.08
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:24:00.56
Bill
That was a, that was a, that was a write-off.

01:24:00.73
Mike
Yeah.

01:24:02.12
Bill
I mean, okay.

01:24:03.38
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:24:03.96
Bill
Right. Check that one off or chalk that one up to yeah all the other times that I, that I should have gotten arrested. So.

01:24:09.42
Mike
Yep. Yep.

01:24:10.20
Bill
No doubt. So, all right. I don't know if you heard this. ah So ah the headline in this was Texas Amazon driver. Speaking of driving drunk, um drunk on buzz balls.

01:24:18.30
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:24:20.39
Bill
Have you ever heard of buzz balls?

01:24:23.38
Mike
Uh, yeah.

01:24:25.08
Bill
Really? Okay. Really?

01:24:25.82
Mike
Yeah, they're like, uh, I've seen them. I've never had them, but I i remember seeing them in in liquor stores.

01:24:29.78
Bill
Really?

01:24:33.14
Mike
Yeah. they're They're like little round. Yeah, they're actual balls and some kind of booze. I don't know. They're a little too little too candy-ish for me.

01:24:40.50
Bill
Yeah, and I well, and I i wrote – I copied down what they what they are, because I'd never heard of them before.

01:24:42.77
Mike
You know, give me a fucking fifth of bourbon. Ha, ha, ha, ha.

01:24:50.44
Bill
but So this Amazon driver says, drunk on buzz balls, crashes in the mailbox.

01:24:50.48
Mike
Wow.

01:24:54.28
Bill
So in they in the article that I saw, they showed the mailbox.

01:24:54.94
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:24:57.52
Bill
It was one of those ones that must have been a nice subdivision. So one of the mailboxes that was – and it looked like one of the ones that you know like people build a little brick surround – around it.

01:25:00.17
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:25:07.65
Mike
Sure. Yeah.

01:25:08.50
Bill
And it was, when you saw the the picture and I'm looking, I'm like, holy fuck. It looked like when he hit it, it just exploded.

01:25:16.50
Mike
Yeah.

01:25:16.70
Bill
And it's just, it's like this pile of bricks laying in the grass and then the road. And I'm like, yeah he did. he fucking hit that. So that just kind of, you know, obviously hit the mailbox and drove, drove on his way because, because that's what, that's what we would do.

01:25:22.03
Mike
Yep.

01:25:26.39
Mike
Yeah, of course.

01:25:28.06
Bill
But um and I don't know if he was in the article said that he was a he didn't work for Amazon directly, which is normal.

01:25:35.10
Mike
Right.

01:25:35.94
Bill
He worked for a contractor.

01:25:36.15
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:25:37.74
Bill
He was um he was fired, obviously, blah, blah, blah. But i he was an independent contractor, which is what a lot of these there's there's a ton of that out around.

01:25:41.67
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

01:25:44.66
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

01:25:45.87
Bill
And apparently Amazon did.

01:25:46.11
Mike
Right.

01:25:48.43
Bill
They they actually sent the the couple ah money they paid for the mailbox, which I thought was i thought was kind of cool. um

01:25:54.52
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:25:55.74
Bill
But so again, Buzz Balls. So I looked them up and it says, Buzz Balls are small, round, to your point, single serve, ready to drink cocktails.

01:26:00.90
Mike
Mm-hmm. Yep.

01:26:04.77
Bill
Okay.

01:26:04.88
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:26:06.35
Bill
packaged in a durable in durable, recyclable plastic containers. They come in various flavors and are produced by a woman-owned Texas-based distillery.

01:26:11.42
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:26:16.83
Bill
These popular, convenient, and potent portable cocktails are often used for parties and picnics. Okay?

01:26:22.89
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:26:23.58
Bill
Never heard of it. Never heard of it. But there are 15% to 20% alcohol by volume. So what proof is that if it's 15% to 20%? That's 15% to 20% proof, right?

01:26:32.28
Mike
No, no. If it's percent, it would be 10 proof or seven and a half proof.

01:26:39.22
Bill
Oh, okay.

01:26:39.74
Mike
Yeah, proof proof is half percentage.

01:26:40.06
Bill
So, oh, is it?

01:26:43.61
Mike
Yeah.

01:26:44.60
Bill
Oh, okay. I guess I never even, i never even knew that.

01:26:47.56
Mike
What kind of fucking alcoholic are you? Yeah.

01:26:49.62
Bill
I, I didn't care.

01:26:50.68
Mike
Yeah.

01:26:51.06
Bill
i mean, I just knew, I knew the higher that I, I didn't care about the math behind it.

01:26:51.10
Mike
Yeah.

01:26:54.94
Bill
I just knew if it was, you know, if it was 80 proof shit, I mean, that's what I want, you know, but no, I seriously, I never, I never knew that that that's how it broke down.

01:26:55.19
Mike
yeah

01:27:02.98
Bill
So,

01:27:03.09
Mike
80 proof is 40% alcohol.

01:27:06.14
Bill
oh, okay. Okay. So this is, so

01:27:07.70
Mike
Yeah, so 100 proof is half.

01:27:11.06
Bill
Okay. So this 15% would be, the proof would be seven and a half.

01:27:15.45
Mike
Seven and a half.

01:27:17.32
Bill
Okay. I got you.

01:27:17.92
Mike
Yeah.

01:27:18.32
Bill
Okay. All right. Yeah. I just, ah again, i I never, I never, I never knew that before, but and I certainly never, what a great name though. Fucking buzz balls.

01:27:27.12
Mike
Yeah.

01:27:29.30
Bill
But yeah, I just thought that, you know, again, just a, just a fucking headline. Some fucking Amazon driver out there doing, doing whatever, but, oh, um this is yeah it literally all, all ah goofed up on buzz balls.

01:27:33.56
Mike
this

01:27:43.64
Bill
Usually you say, y'all he's all goofed up. He's all hopped up on goof balls, but he's, he's hopped up on buzz balls.

01:27:47.70
Mike
Yes.

01:27:49.78
Bill
Just fucking crazy. I'd never heard of it. So, all right. um Real quick on a sideline to about 10 years ago, I started watching the following again. Yeah, and that was that was a show that you I know you used to watch.

01:28:02.42
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:28:03.22
Bill
Right. And, you know, I was thinking of them like that that might be the the last, like, newer network show, but then I forgot about Gotham. You also watched Gotham, right?

01:28:12.12
Mike
Yeah.

01:28:12.86
Bill
Okay, so Gotham might have been the last real show.

01:28:15.93
Mike
Yeah.

01:28:17.61
Bill
I don't want to say real, but you know what I mean? newer Newer show that you watch.

01:28:19.23
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:28:20.69
Bill
but yeah the

01:28:21.11
Mike
Yeah.

01:28:22.07
Bill
and I saw it come up on... This was probably a couple of months ago, but there was all these... The Taylor Sheridan shows and all this shit. Billy Bob's and the whatever shows were were all on.

01:28:28.49
Mike
Mm-hmm. Uh-huh.

01:28:31.23
Bill
and um you know so I got through all those. and then I can't remember what else I was watching, but I i literally... I'm on like episode five of season one.

01:28:38.97
Mike
ah ha

01:28:39.45
Bill
and I'm like... ah I don't want to... kind of blown away a little bit. I really forgot... um how just graphic and violent that show was and ah and i'm like this was 10 years ago because it's 2015 i think when it started so little over 10 years ago on network tv it was on fox right i think and i'm like this is fucking awesome

01:28:49.24
Mike
Yes. Oh, yeah.

01:28:53.43
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

01:29:00.31
Mike
yeah yeah

01:29:05.53
Bill
I mean, it's it's really fun. It's got me fucking tied in again. cause I mean, i I watched it all, but I don't...

01:29:09.21
Mike
yeah

01:29:11.49
Bill
i'm I'm remembering it's the same thing. And I'm remembering as I'm watching it, you get these flashes of, you know, I remember what what's going to happen next technically or, you know, like a character whatever the case is.

01:29:19.10
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

01:29:22.21
Bill
But I mean, I'm fully, fully fucking entertained by it.

01:29:22.36
Mike
Sure.

01:29:27.48
Bill
Fully entertained by it. And it's a yess just on on fucking Netflix again.

01:29:28.88
Mike
Right.

01:29:31.12
Bill
I stopped watching Mad Max. I'm like, I'm not going to continue to pay HBO for or pay for HBO to have that. And it was, I got enough of it. I watched, I don't know, whatever it was, the first season and a half.

01:29:41.56
Bill
And I'm like, eh, I don't need to pay fucking extra to to watch this show again. But yeah, fucking Netflix, i mean, it's great. Oh, and I saw that you were, so you were watching Schitt's Creek on, they had it on Pop?

01:29:54.28
Mike
Yeah.

01:29:55.35
Bill
So, and that is, I mean, I'm in the second season now on Prime, and they don't they don't start off with a pop show anymore.

01:29:58.94
Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

01:30:02.35
Bill
So i don't want want it was on pop and then went to something else. So maybe that was after it was only one season.

01:30:05.75
Mike
Yeah. No, Pop. Yeah. um Well, that was the first network in America that showed it.

01:30:11.86
Bill
Right. Okay.

01:30:12.38
Mike
Yeah.

01:30:12.54
Bill
So the oh if that was the first one in America. Okay. I didn't see.

01:30:15.03
Mike
Yeah.

01:30:15.14
Bill
I didn't i didn't remember that. Okay.

01:30:16.76
Mike
Yeah, because it was a Canadian show.

01:30:18.84
Bill
Right.

01:30:19.22
Mike
Yeah, and so, they yeah, they strip that was the first place here that we got to see it. Yeah, they um all last weekend, I mean, like, all last weekend, they were just running it constantly for, like, two days.

01:30:32.18
Bill
How many episodes did you watch?

01:30:32.28
Mike
Yeah. um I probably watched maybe 20. So, yeah, probably 10 hours worth. Yeah.

01:30:40.69
Bill
That's fucking, it's just, I, and I've watched, I think I've watched that series. Oh, I know once, I think twice already. But same deal, watching it again. I remember the show and the bits and pieces, but it cracks me up so much in the, between Stevie and David is the relationship that I think is one of the funniest ones.

01:30:51.47
Mike
Right.

01:30:58.29
Bill
And, and I knew it was coming, but then the first time they started with best wishes.

01:30:58.39
Mike
Yeah.

01:31:02.39
Bill
Yeah.

01:31:02.81
Mike
Yep. Yep. Yep.

01:31:04.06
Bill
Warmest regards. It's just so it's so fucking dismissive.

01:31:05.31
Mike
yep

01:31:07.34
Bill
It's just fucking great. Just absolutely great.

01:31:08.82
Mike
yep

01:31:10.10
Bill
But yeah, I saw that when you were talking about you're like, yeah, I know a football games on today, blah, blah, blah. and Which, you know, again, i mean, that wasn't i watched. I watched that. OK, last thing here real quick. And I you I know you didn't watch anything with the Super Bowl, correct?

01:31:20.35
Mike
Mm-hmm. I saw, like, the last quarter when I got home from the meeting.

01:31:25.37
Bill
Oh, did you? Oh, okay.

01:31:26.65
Mike
Yeah.

01:31:27.03
Bill
oh So it it was, it was, it was a defensive game and blah, blah, blah. And I mean, it was, it was what it it was, what it was, you know, it wasn't, it was the last foot.

01:31:30.49
Mike
Whatever. Yeah. was a football game.

01:31:34.33
Bill
Exactly. was the last football game of the year.

01:31:34.96
Mike
Yeah.

01:31:36.01
Bill
And I'm like, okay. So I sat there and I watched it, but um have you heard all the, all the controversy, supposed controversy with the halftime show?

01:31:38.62
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:31:43.67
Mike
Yeah, whatever.

01:31:45.05
Bill
No, i I know, but here here's the thing, and I just had i just have ah ah a mild opinion on this. And this was like what I, well, I guess I do understand it. This is a, to me, it's a, it's just, I don't know.

01:31:56.70
Bill
It is exactly what our our society has become in the last five years, seven years, whatever it is.

01:32:01.12
Mike
Mm-hmm. Yeah, right.

01:32:04.07
Bill
Everything is turned into a controversy to divide people.

01:32:07.42
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:32:08.31
Bill
And it's and I mean this on on both sides of it, because I saw people that were, you know, they're, you know, on the the bad money side of things, which, first of all, when I heard that that this that bad money was going to be the performer, I'm just like, God damn it, because I'm like, not because of him.

01:32:08.30
Mike
Yep.

01:32:11.90
Mike
Yep.

01:32:23.77
Bill
i don't know him.

01:32:25.21
Mike
Yeah.

01:32:25.49
Bill
It's Latin music.

01:32:26.77
Mike
Right.

01:32:26.79
Bill
I'm not into Latin music. It has nothing to do with him or his po politicstic or or ah po politics

01:32:28.25
Mike
Huh. Huh.

01:32:31.99
Mike
Right. Right.

01:32:33.62
Bill
or his politics or the fact that he's going to sing in Spanish or anything like that.

01:32:36.89
Mike
Yeah.

01:32:37.06
Bill
I mean, I could have disliked his performance in English as much as in Spanish. And it ah didn't have shit to do with him. It's not my music.

01:32:45.65
Mike
Right.

01:32:46.28
Bill
That's it. You know?

01:32:47.08
Mike
Yeah.

01:32:47.29
Bill
And I mean, just because, just because I don't like his music doesn't mean that I, I have a stance against him or what he feels it. Right.

01:32:54.40
Mike
Right.

01:32:54.97
Bill
But I'm reading all this difference. I can't get away from, it I'm not trying to read it, but all these goddamn headlines that people like, Ooh, people are all upset because there's a guy who's going to sing something Spanish and you can't handle it.

01:33:06.54
Bill
I'm like, What the fuck? does what What are you talking about? And then people are like, and the in the word word's woke and progressive. And in every every side.

01:33:17.43
Bill
Every side's going at it going, we are this and you are that.

01:33:20.74
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:33:21.23
Bill
And I'm like, it's music.

01:33:21.46
Mike
Right.

01:33:23.21
Bill
It's fucking music. Okay.

01:33:24.31
Mike
Right.

01:33:24.69
Bill
just now ah I don't know. Pick pick a fucking artist. I like the Foo Fighters. I'm sure there's a ton of people that don't. I love the Black Crows.

01:33:30.14
Mike
Yeah.

01:33:31.77
Bill
Plenty of people that don't. um I mean, you like the band America, at least.

01:33:33.08
Mike
Yeah.

01:33:35.61
Bill
The horse with no name.

01:33:36.73
Mike
Right. I do. Yeah.

01:33:39.00
Bill
Sure, people, there's people like, how the fuck could you like that? Does that make you a goddamn racist?

01:33:41.72
Mike
Right.

01:33:43.51
Bill
You know, I mean, or or something?

01:33:44.02
Mike
Absolutely. Hey, David Lee Ross first solo album, even smile. He recorded it in Spanish.

01:33:51.12
Bill
Did he really?

01:33:51.67
Mike
Yeah, you did he did.

01:33:52.57
Bill
i

01:33:52.71
Mike
did the whole album in Spanish.

01:33:56.09
Bill
no idea. i And I know the record.

01:33:57.14
Mike
Yeah.

01:33:58.09
Bill
I know the record.

01:33:58.55
Mike
Yeah.

01:33:58.81
Bill
I had no idea.

01:33:58.83
Mike
Right. I own the record.

01:33:59.93
Bill
had no idea.

01:34:00.56
Mike
Yeah. You know? um Yeah. But he re-recorded in Spanish, released it.

01:34:05.14
Bill
yeah

01:34:06.07
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:34:06.85
Bill
Yeah, I had no idea, you know. But the thing of it is, I'm just like, I don't know. It's a glaring example of just what our – and Mara posted something on Facebook, you know, March Safe from being divided by the Super Bowl halftime, I'm sure, or whatever it was.

01:34:22.33
Bill
And I'm like, that's fucking perfect. Or allowing the media, I think the post said, to divide And that's what it is.

01:34:23.99
Mike
Yeah. Uh-huh. Oh, yeah.

01:34:30.05
Bill
And I'm like, it's just fucking music. You think of all the – I don't know – And I'll give an example. So I'm not into Latin music, but the, what was it, a few years ago, J-Lo and Shakira, okay, were the performers.

01:34:42.44
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:34:43.58
Bill
Now, they had, I know, I think one or two Shakira songs, just because time I spent with Dawn, we listened to a lot of different music, and Shakira was popular at that time frame.

01:34:43.77
Mike
Okay.

01:34:55.76
Bill
I couldn't name off a J-Lo song, but I know there's some out there I'd probably know, you know?

01:34:55.77
Mike
Okay.

01:34:59.83
Mike
Okay.

01:35:00.40
Bill
Um, but they're, they were great. I mean, their performance is one thing. Bruno Mars have no interest in his music. He's a hell of a fucking performer.

01:35:08.82
Mike
isn

01:35:09.05
Bill
He's been a super bowl halftime performer twice, I think.

01:35:13.30
Mike
Okay.

01:35:13.43
Bill
And, you know, I don't, I don't give a fuck about his music.

01:35:13.54
Mike
Right.

01:35:16.04
Bill
He's fun to watch.

01:35:16.38
Mike
Yeah.

01:35:16.76
Bill
You know, but um I don't know.

01:35:17.16
Mike
Right. All right.

01:35:19.56
Bill
I just, I i don't understand. i don't understand fucking people. I think everyone everyone all on both sides, just either like them. If you like the music, fine. If you don't like the music, fine. What does that, what does that to do with anything else?

01:35:28.45
Mike
Yeah, right. it's a Not a damn thing. Right. Yes, it

01:35:35.22
Bill
I know, I know. But hey, you know what? We've got to talk about these things because that's what makes us a Sands Bar Academy Award nominee.

01:35:44.60
Mike
did.

01:35:46.03
Bill
That's what got us. That was, that's what got us said on our run to to number one. That's what got us there.

01:35:50.97
Mike
yes it did

01:35:53.74
Bill
God only knows why.

01:35:55.29
Mike
a

01:35:56.70
Bill
ah But anyhow, i know I know we're done. So here here's the other thing that nobody else is fucking doing. Nobody closes out their podcast like this. So, Mike, you, you're the reason. You're it. You say you just show up? No.

01:36:09.43
Mike
o

01:36:09.50
Bill
Brother, this is what anchors.

01:36:10.68
Mike
All right.

01:36:11.24
Bill
This anchors our podcast. So you go ahead. You you do you, man, now, okay?

01:36:15.48
Mike
All right. Well, what does an anchor do?

01:36:17.05
Bill
yeah

01:36:17.92
Mike
It drags you down. It holds you in place.

01:36:21.69
Bill
ah

01:36:22.40
Mike
Yes.

01:36:22.97
Bill
Yes.

01:36:24.64
Mike
Well, thank you, everyone, for listening to yet another episode of the award-nominated podcast called Sober Not Mature.

01:36:34.81
Mike
i don't fucking know, man. It's getting late, and I'm getting tired. You know what? Be nice to each other. go out and do something nice for somebody else this week. Don't tell anybody you did it.

01:36:46.23
Mike
And you know what else? This is this is ah from the bottom of my heart to the depths of my soul, from the beginning of time until the ends of the earth, always and eternally. Fuck you.

01:37:01.69
Mike
Now it's time, kids. You have no idea what time it is. It is time for you to fuck off. Then keep fucking off. Keep fucking off till you get to that gate with a sign on it saying, you cannot fuck off past here.

01:37:20.24
Mike
Climb over that gate. Dream the impossible dream. And keep fucking off forever.

01:37:28.74
Bill
You almost fucking startled me with that one. yeah but Last little tidbit, and I almost forgot to tell you. i yeah I'm hoping.

01:37:36.06
Mike
Yes.

01:37:36.54
Bill
I ordered my blackout plates. Did I tell you I ordered them? I know we talked about it.

01:37:39.00
Mike
ah

01:37:40.06
Bill
Yeah, but I ordered them a month ago.

01:37:40.25
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:37:42.90
Bill
I think a month ago.

01:37:43.26
Mike
Nice.

01:37:44.18
Bill
I'm really hoping that they're going to be there tomorrow when i when I get there. If not, I mean, that is what it is. but Oh, and I looked real quick, so I'm like, I remembered when I got my Harley plates. I'm like, what the fuck is taking the taking them so long?

01:37:56.46
Bill
I'm like, I wonder, is is these goddamn prisoners you know dragging their feet, joking? And I looked it up again because I'm like, I think that in Wisconsin it is. And it is. In Wisconsin, the Wisconsin prison system is that they're the ones that, yeah, actually make the make the license plates.

01:38:07.34
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:38:09.56
Mike
Yeah. Nice.

01:38:13.18
Bill
So, kids, if you ever get ever go to prison in Wisconsin, look at it this way.

01:38:16.15
Mike
Yeah.

01:38:16.78
Bill
least you get to do something useful and make license plates and make people like people like me happy.

01:38:17.11
Mike
yeah That's right. That's right. Yeah. And Ohio has pushed back their blackout plates, so I couldn't get them this year.

01:38:26.26
Bill
Oh, really?

01:38:27.32
Mike
Yellow.

01:38:27.63
Bill
really?

01:38:28.22
Mike
I had to go get my tags. Well, you know, because I'm having a birthday here in a couple of days and Yeah, so, ah yeah, you know, I went to get my my stickers, and I was like, oh, by the way, ah the blackout plates.

01:38:32.34
Bill
Right.

01:38:38.86
Mike
She's all, nah, they pushed them back. We don't know when they're going to come out. So, eh, whatever. i still have have my cool sick thing plates. So, yeah, it's fine.

01:38:47.32
Bill
Right. Yeah. And I, well, I didn't see him. I looked on the website right after the first of the year and they, uh, whatever, I think it was like January, just say January 13th that I ordered them.

01:38:55.72
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:38:56.31
Bill
And, um, you know, i was just checking like every, every handful of days, uh, to see if they, cause they were like, oh, you know, sometime in the month of January. And I'm like, oh, okay. But yeah, it was like the middle, almost the middle of the month before they came out.

01:39:04.25
Mike
this

01:39:06.91
Bill
But, uh, Yeah, so I i don't know. It cost me just right up front only cost me $40. And actually, just for the price of the the the plate itself, I think.

01:39:15.16
Mike
Right.

01:39:15.50
Bill
But yeah, it wasn't that big of a deal. I didn't know. Because I mean, you know, it's it's this and it's that. And it's the personalized and whatever. But yeah, all it was was like $40.

01:39:21.63
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:39:23.54
Bill
I'm like, oh, fuck it.

01:39:24.18
Mike
Nice.

01:39:25.06
Bill
Let's get this goddamn thing done. So cross your fingers, I'll have blackout plates as of tomorrow.

01:39:27.54
Mike
Nice.

01:39:30.02
Bill
Yeah.

01:39:30.37
Mike
Cool.

01:39:31.35
Bill
All right. so Well, um i think I think we're done with this award-nominated podcast. What do you think, award-nominated podcast partner?

01:39:40.41
Mike
I believe we are done.

01:39:43.42
Bill
right. Love you, brother.

01:39:44.44
Mike
i love you too.

01:39:46.12
Bill
We'll talk soon.

01:39:46.90
Mike
We shall.

01:39:48.42
Bill
Bye.

01:39:49.13
Mike
Bye.