SoberNotMature - Episode 235 (Can You Define The Word "It?")

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Bill
All right, everyone, welcome once again to another episode of Sober. not mature and uh we do have a purpose for recording on a Thursday tonight.

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Bill
Right, Mike? What's our purpose?

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
for Well, what's our purpose in general, I guess? Sorry. Now I just dipped into that.

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Mike
Hehehehehehe.

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Bill
What's my purpose?

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Mike
What is my pro?

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Bill
Heh heh heh heh heh heh.

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Mike
What's the meaning of all of this?

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Bill
But anyhow, I digress.

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Mike
Hehehehe.

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Bill
Let's go back to the purpose of recording on ah on a Thursday night.

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Mike
Right.

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Mike
Well, if you're new listening, then...

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Bill
there That's perfect perfect.

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Mike
Sure, right.

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Bill
Thank you, Mike. Look at that. Hehehe.

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Mike
If you're new and listening to this thing, stick around. First of all, give us a like, share us all that happy crap. But no, the reason we're recording on a Thursday night is it is my annual. uh radio show deal thing that i do every year Um,

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Mike
WJCU is a local college radio station, John Carroll University here in Cleveland, Ohio. and um

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Mike
You know, told the story before, but again, this is for the new listeners, right? So... um yeah that jcu has a a very special place in my heart uh early sobriety literally early sobriety like first week at the keating center full week at the keating center uh friday night i'm laying in my bunk it's uh about uh i don't know whatever it had been a week in a better day and i was like you know what man i'm gonna go lay my ass down turn on the radio listen to something try to find something to listen to and whatever so i'm spinning around the dial and uh all of a sudden there was There was my music, man. There it was. Told before, I can't remember if it was the New York Dolls and then the Dead Boys or the Dead Boys and the New York Dolls. But either way, I know both were played back to back. And I was like, oh, my God, what is this?

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Mike
It was WJCU. It was Adam and Andy, Adam and Max now. um And music to break things by.

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Mike
And yeah, it was it was the first. glimmer of hope that uh maybe i could actually do this sobriety thing um you know kind of like on my own terms and still be myself even though i was i had to change everything and all that happy crap but you know that the core was gonna gonna be okay um This was going to work somehow.

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Bill
right

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Mike
Still didn't have any fucking clue how. and But yeah, it was it was the first true.

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Bill
Okay. Right.

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Mike
glimmer of of hope and happiness. and it Maybe things are going to be all right. So. Yes, that is the long version of the short version of the...

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Mike
ah w jcu So it is a college radio station and the university covers part of the budget, but not all of it. Most of it is.

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Mike
from listeners. And I'm a listener.

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
So, you know, um thanks to this sobriety thing, I get to be part of society these days, a contributing member, upstanding citizen, and all that happy crap.

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Mike
And so I support the radio station. And in turn, I get to go down once a year and play my awful music for two hours. So that's what I'm going to do tomorrow night.

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Bill
And, you know, there's a reason that I wanted to bring that up right away. so And I'll explain my ah my schedule tomorrow and in a little while.

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Mike
Yes.

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Bill
but um i've I've got kind of a weird schedule tomorrow, and I'm probably going to... ah Release this episode. early in the day on Friday, more than likely.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
Because, again, and I'll explain my schedule later, but I figured that...

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Mike
Bonus.

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Bill
I figured that if, you know, anyone happens to listen in, you know, tomorrow afternoon once it pops up like that, then, you know, right off the bat they may be able to catch it, you know, because if anyone listens between whatever time I get the episode up there, you know, obviously.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Mike
Oh yeah.

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Bill
what, 7 .30 Eastern time when you go on.

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Mike
Correct.

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Bill
So it's an opportunity. But the thing of it is, and the reason, well, there's two things.

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Mike
Huh?

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Bill
I think it's a night, and I say this every year, and it's been...

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
We've been doing this, obviously, this podcast. This will be the probably the fifth time that... um Am I thinking right? If we started in 22, 22, 3, 4, 5. Yeah, this will be the fifth time that we've talked about this radio show on here on this little thing.

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Mike
Mm hmm. Right. Yeah.

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Bill
and And there's, you know, many reasons why I like the whole the whole concept. It's, you know, it's giving back. It's doing all those things and blah, blah, blah. But the the biggest thing is that this this thing that you do every year, you do it because you like it.

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Mike
Right?

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Bill
It's your music.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
Like you said, you get to play your your awful music, which I don't think it's that awful.

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Mike
Yes.

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Bill
yeah It's just not.

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Mike
He he he he he he.

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Bill
But, I mean, it's fun. It's funny that you say that.

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Mike
Yep.

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Bill
But it it has a direct, you know, correlation and tie back to to this and not just like.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
sort of i mean it really does it has everything to do with with this whole sobriety thing

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Mike
Right. Yeah.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
The fact that you as an individual can can be a responsible community member and support and do all those things, show up for something like that.

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Mike
Yup.

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Bill
actually get in front of a hot mic and not swear like we fucking do on here you know and

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Mike
Hey, right.

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Bill
But on top of that, it literally, it it's it was the, you know, something that happened really. early in sobriety, and it's, again, it just wraps this whole shit together, and I think it's a great story.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
So.

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Mike
It is. Yes. And, you know, and... Music to Break Things By isn't on there anymore. They they went into retirement. um Actually, they're back now. They're on XCBS or XCSB.

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Bill
Mm.

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Mike
Yeah, get the call readers. call letters right.

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Bill
The call writers.

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Mike
I hope I don't do this tomorrow. Right. um that's a whole nother thing google uh WCSB in Cleveland. And yeah.

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Mike
uh that's a whole thing but they're actually now internet that was it's another that was um ah Cleveland State Universities.

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Bill
Hmm.

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Mike
college radio station, um which is no longer.

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Bill
Okay.

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Mike
they uh they sold out to uh public broadcasting and now it's a smooth jazz station

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Bill
Really? Really?

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Mike
Yeah, that was a whole controversy.

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Bill
Ha ha.

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Mike
and I mean, they literally like. flip the switch and kick the students out of the studio and Whole fucking thing. But anyway, they're online now. So look up XCSB.

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
and uh they're doing their thing and adam and uh max are doing music to break things by again on that which is cool they've been doing that for about six months now but the show i will be on on wjcu tomorrow night is uh the metal on metal show hosted by bill peters which he started in 1982 So do that fucking math.

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Bill
Nice.

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Mike
It is the longest running heavy metal radio show in.

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
the world.

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Bill
Yep. 44 years.

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Mike
Yeah Yep.

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Bill
44 years.

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Mike
Yep.

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Bill
The only reason I knew that off the top of my head, it was just our 40th high school reunion this year, which I didn't go to.

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Mike
Hmm.

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Bill
But, um you know, I graduated in 86.

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Mike
mm-hmm

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Bill
I did the math. You know, it all I do had to do was subtract four years.

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Mike
He he he he he he he he

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Bill
It was easy enough. And then add that back on. So see?

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Mike
Yes.

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Bill
See how this simple mind works, people?

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Mike
Hey.

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Bill
That's how my mind is like, wait a second. I graduated. That was 40. There's 44. Hey. hey

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Mike
Mmm.

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Bill
I sounded smart for a minute. but

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Mike
Wow.

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Bill
But, no, that's great.

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Mike
Hehehehehehehehe.

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Bill
and That's what I figured, too, that, ah you know, get it get it brought up right away. Because um one one way or the other, because if, and again, I will explain my schedule later.

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Mike
Nope.

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Bill
We want to get to the reading. But um if if I don't do it tomorrow afternoon, it's... ah it Again, my schedule is going to be all fucked up yesterday or tomorrow in ah in a good way for a good reason. But, yeah, so but yeah we got we got stuff.

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Mike
Cool.

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Bill
So, yeah, we got the next week.

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Mike
We got stuff

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Bill
Next week we got the Austin trip. We're going to be out in Austin, Texas.

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Mike
Mm-hmm Hmm?

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Bill
Obviously the award ceremony, and not this Saturday, but on the 29th. We talked about your radio gig.

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Mike
Yep.

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Bill
We've got other things. actually got I found a couple of articles. We haven't had articles in a while. and I've got a couple of things saved in text messages.

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Mike
Mmm.

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Bill
I got an email, not from a listener, but actually a Zencaster email that i want that I want to bring up. and then but I don't know. if We got other shit. so We got stuff.

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Mike
Yeah. well We'll fill some time.

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Bill
Well, yeah, one way or the other. What are you guys going to talk about? I don't know, but an hour and a half from now we'll be wrapping up. So one one way or the other, we're going to be here and we're going to fill the time.

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Mike
Yes.

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Bill
That's usually all that we can we can promise.

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Mike
Uh huh.

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Bill
we We will fill you up, that's for sure.

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Mike
Hee hee hee hee hee.

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Bill
a All right, so... um Speaking of filling people up with good thoughts this time, not our own, things that we can read off in the morning and wrap or ah roll around in our heads, but also things we can start this thing off.

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Mike
Yes, sure. Mmm.

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Mike
Yes. Mm hmm.

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Bill
almost nine minutes into it, but that's okay.

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Mike
It is.

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Bill
with good reason, good reason for doing it. so I'm ready when you are there, brother.

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Mike
Right. All right. Well, god yeah, as Bill sees it. and um Right. So I got I got home. Today was a workday today was a work day.

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Mike
day. My fleet manager is in Europe right now.

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Bill
Oh really?

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Mike
yeah um he's been off he left actually a week ago um yeah so it's Work's been okay, but it's been not usual.

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Bill
Really.

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Mike
so

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
Yeah. You know, and I can't like, you know, I can't call him up and go, dude, and make things happen because he's not there.

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Bill
Right. Right.

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Mike
So. um Yeah. So anyway, I'm not going to work tomorrow. Fuck them.

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Bill
hey

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Mike
And yeah, right. And then I got to work Monday and Tuesday and I'm not working for six days after that. So because we're going to Texas, bitches.

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Bill
Nice. Yeah.

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Mike
Anyway, the whole point of all of this is I'm in a bit of a mood today.

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
So, which will happen occasionally. um Even though I'm sober and full of butterflies and sunshine and yes.

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Bill
Yeah, that's, you know what, that every time I think about you, it I think about that butterflies and sunshine.

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Mike
Sure.

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Bill
I should write that down just so, you know, like add that to one of our, again, our description maybe on the website rather than your egotist or whatever the fuck we have.

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Mike
Hehehehehehe.

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Bill
Butterflies and sunshine.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
that's That's our friend Mike over there.

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Mike
Yes, that's me.

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Bill
Yikes.

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Mike
but anyway so i grabbed as bill sees it and uh was flipping around because i had Nothing planned.

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Mike
as usual.

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Bill
Right. Bye.

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Mike
and um Found this one. And went, well, this is going to piss a couple of people off. So let's do this.

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Bill
ah it so That's, ah again, the backbone of our backbone of this little podcast here. Well, this is going to piss some people off, so let's let's do it.

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Mike
Exactly. Yes. Right. Well, this is Bill Wilson, and this is a letter that he wrote in 1966.

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Bill
Right

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Bill
All right.

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Mike
And here we go. The beginning of humility. There are few absolutes inherent in the 12 steps. Hmm. Most steps are open to interpretation.

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Mike
based on the experience and outlook of the individual. consequently the individual is free to start the steps at whatever point he can or will God, as we understand him, may be defined as a power greater dot dot dot or the higher power.

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Mike
For thousands of members, the AA group itself has been a higher power in the beginning. This acknowledgement is easy to make if a newcomer know if a newcomer knows.

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Mike
that he that most of the members are sober and he isn't. His admission at is the beginning. His admission is the beginning of humility.

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Mike
At least the newcomer is willing to disclaim that he himself is God. That's all the start he needs. If following this achievement, he will relax and practice as many of the steps as he can, he is sure to grow spiritually.

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Mike
Again, this is a letter that Bill Wilson wrote in 1966.

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Bill
do you Do you think any of that was like tongue-in-cheek or do you think he was serious for the whole thing?

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Mike
Oh, I think he was serious about the whole thing.

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Bill
Huh, interesting.

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Mike
Mm-hmm

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Bill
Okay. i don't I don't know that I've ever heard that about you know like jumping around the steps. and

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
um You know, those sort of things. Because he mentioned, didn't he mention too about the, he just said the newcomer calling himself God.

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Mike
No, what i ah went but bad with the the quote? Uh... If you come or not. Where the hell is it? Oh, there it is. um At least the newcomer is willing to disclaim.

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Bill
Oh.

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Mike
that he himself is god so yeah you know i'm not god

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Bill
No, and what...

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Mike
anymore. Right.

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Bill
i missed I missed the most important part of that, the diss.

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Mike
see

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Bill
Because it said, when he said claim, I'm like, Bill Wilson's up as fucking rocker here today.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
I'm like, jumping around the steps, saying he's God, what?

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Mike
Well. Right. Well, 66, he might have been tripping on acid when he wrote this. but um

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Bill
Yeah, I could be

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Mike
Yeah, no, but um no, the will look he's willing to disclaim that he is God.

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Bill
Got it. Got it

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Mike
Yes, which I believe we heard somewhere before.

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Bill
Right. and know I mean, all that all that is that i I get all that, too. So what what about the rest of it? I mean, the jumping around to the steps and things like that?

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
I mean, i don't I'm pretty sure that I've never heard... anything like that, you know, within the rooms or within the readings.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
And I, ah again, I just dabbled in that book. I've never really read a lot of it.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
So, I mean, what do you think about that? I mean, some telling somebody to do something like that or.

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Mike
um Well, I mean... He's not telling someone to do something. He's not suggesting that's what we do. um he's i mean what he's saying is and i i

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Bill
Right.

00:14:04.29
Mike
concur wholeheartedly that look man just start start doing something start you know yes um you know maybe maybe you're having a little trouble fully

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
you know, um doing the first step, which we've discussed ad nauseum on here. The first step is the only one we have to do perfectly, um you know, and and. you'll get there, but that's kind of what he's saying. You know, I mean,

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Mike
it's It's like um you know when we're starting out and we were at the Keating Center and we were... you know, being forced to help someone else.

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Mike
I mean, you know, we're starting to do 12 step work before we fucking were doing anything.

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
I mean, I think that's what he's kind of talking about in this. He's like, look, man, just, you know, start working on this shit. You know, um you don't need to do it all at once. You don't, you know, maybe, maybe a weekend you, you have an opportunity to do a fucking ninth step with somebody.

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Mike
you know um you haven't made the list yet.

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Bill
Right.

00:15:04.91
Mike
You haven't fucking, you know, you certainly haven't started on your fourth step and all that, but you know, and and maybe that first week, you know, you're still struggling with step three, but maybe you're starting to write some shit down, starting your fourth step.

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Mike
Um. Yeah, you know, I mean... um And we talk about yeah completing the steps. I mean, we never complete the steps, but.

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
um Yeah, you know, you start you you start jumping around and doing stuff. I think from the beginning, you start. start trying to let go of some of those character defects from day one, hopefully.

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Mike
I know I was, you know, I mean, I didn't know exactly what the hell I was doing.

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
with any of it.

00:15:48.77
Bill
All right. Right.

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Mike
But, you know, I mean, you know, oh stop being such a fucking liar. that was That was something I was doing very early on, long before I got to the sixth step.

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Mike
Um, Yeah, you know, that' starting to. to try to let go of shit, you know, with that third step, um letting something else run my fucking life. um

00:16:13.76
Mike
which is part of the first step and part of the, you know. whatever. Yeah. It's that's, I think what he's talking about, you know, don't be so goddamn rigid. Don't be, so you know, and these steps are open to interpretation and. I think that's one of the big ones. And, you know, we we all work them a little differently. You know, I mean, i'm I'm. Sure. some of the steps you work differently than I did, I'll guarantee that.

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Bill
Right.

00:16:38.20
Mike
You know, but we worked them. um And... get the results, but yeah, not exactly the same, you know, I'm sure. And I'm sure Joe worked them differently than us and, and Bob worked them differently than Joe and whoever the fuck Bob's sponsor was worked them differently than Bob did. And.

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Mike
On and on and on. You know, yeah, back to whatever. You know, I'm sure Jack did some shit differently than we did. Um... yeah you know but we all work it and we all work the program and and We do the best that we can, I think.

00:17:10.62
Bill
Right.

00:17:10.76
Mike
You know, the Bill's just saying, look, man, just do fucking something.

00:17:15.29
Bill
right And, you know, and that's that's why I wanted to get your opinion, because the first thing I thought about when when you were reading that, I was just kind of listening for a minute.

00:17:20.69
Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
I'm like, try again, trying not to focus on that too much.

00:17:22.05
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:17:25.09
Bill
But that's kind of like that was the in your face type of comment to this reading.

00:17:27.52
Mike
Yep. mm-hmm

00:17:28.79
Bill
um You know, but then actually when I was asking you about that, you know, I started thinking about it. I remember and we talked about it. All these things that you that you just said about, you know, helping out to doing whatever and character defects.

00:17:38.20
Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
We've talked about all this stuff before. And, you know, you just gave some examples about yourself.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
And I thought about. I remember sitting down in um in B-Dorm and you know doing my prayers at night.

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Mike
Mhm. Mm hmm.

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Bill
but actually do doing an inventory i was i was doing a 10 step every day

00:17:54.33
Mike
Yeah.

00:17:54.98
Bill
Even when I was in B door, you know, when, when it was brand fucking new, I know, I know for a fact that if you think about it.

00:17:56.43
Mike
Right.

00:17:59.38
Mike
Yeah.

00:18:02.81
Bill
So we did or or dipped into the third step, you know, choosing some some other thing and some higher power.

00:18:06.10
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:18:09.18
Mike
Meow.

00:18:10.36
Bill
As soon as Dan said that just you...

00:18:10.18
Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
You got to choose something. Just know you're not it, you know.

00:18:14.22
Mike
Right.

00:18:14.80
Bill
So what was that, two weeks in, three weeks in?

00:18:16.42
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:18:17.30
Bill
you know We didn't we didn't you know get get through that first third step until you know who knows when. you know and then

00:18:22.06
Mike
Right.

00:18:23.50
Bill
you know As you go through, again, you're you're starting to ah just, we're making we're making amends to people just by getting better.

00:18:29.08
Mike
Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

00:18:30.43
Bill
So we're we're we're in the amends step. you know We're in this in this eighth and ninth step, not necessarily saying, i need to i here's my piece of paper.

00:18:32.82
Mike
Yeah.

00:18:38.05
Bill
I got to go talk to this person.

00:18:39.25
Mike
Right.

00:18:40.27
Bill
You know, but um I'm being i being a better better individual to Mom and Larry, and I'm being better to Kathy.

00:18:43.31
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.

00:18:45.72
Bill
I'm being better to to, you know, Cousin Johnny was around at that time a lot, John and Gail, you know, and all these things.

00:18:46.20
Mike
Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Mm hmm.

00:18:51.56
Bill
and you know mom's going out of town and leaving me in the house you know and i mean all these things

00:18:56.31
Mike
you're Right.

00:18:56.74
Bill
You know, and it's just all these different things that happen. So we were in 12-step work.

00:19:01.60
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:19:02.11
Bill
I mean, that's ah that's a fucking given.

00:19:02.79
Mike
Yeah. Right.

00:19:04.55
Bill
You know, as soon as we became house fathers, we were doing 12 step work.

00:19:06.68
Mike
Well, yeah, yeah

00:19:07.55
Bill
you know Even before then, but i mean at least if you want to talk about something structured, that the minute that we became a house father, you're you're doing 12-step work right then.

00:19:08.93
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:19:12.15
Mike
Right.

00:19:16.40
Mike
Yes, you are

00:19:17.82
Bill
You're passing this shit along you know and doing doing what you got to do.

00:19:19.35
Mike
Yeah.

00:19:20.84
Bill
but So it was it was just interesting the way that he said it and the fact that it's...

00:19:24.62
Mike
ahha

00:19:26.47
Bill
it's interesting to me that i that i never heard that before not that i've heard everything but

00:19:29.86
Mike
Right. Sure.

00:19:32.38
Bill
Some of these things like this, you you know you figure at some point over the last 16 plus years, somebody's like, did you ever read that fucking letter to Wilson in 1966?

00:19:38.35
Mike
yeah

00:19:40.03
Bill
Was he a fucking acid at that point?

00:19:41.94
Mike
Uh huh.

00:19:41.90
Bill
Was that the time? Was that the time?

00:19:42.91
Mike
Right. What's that? It's tripping balls, man.

00:19:48.40
Bill
You know, but you know Honestly, I get it. in the You know, I'm sure. Yeah, there's I'm sure there's a lot of people I've got. I've got a podcast to tell you about.

00:19:56.58
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:19:56.84
Bill
um I ran across another podcast and, um you know, they're. When you mentioned that'll piss some people off, it kind of made me think about about this podcast, but I'll tell you about that.

00:20:02.80
Mike
Okay. Yeah. uh-huh

00:20:05.55
Bill
It's not it's it's one I literally just ran across. I listened to a few episodes, and again, I'll go into that a little bit later.

00:20:09.07
Mike
Mm hmm. Yeah.

00:20:11.11
Bill
But it's it's interesting, but then again, I kind of skewed off into this different thing.

00:20:15.96
Mike
Right.

00:20:16.66
Bill
But... i You know what? I can, again, easily see that that somebody would be like, that letter's fucked up. you know Don't show that to anyone.

00:20:23.06
Mike
Yeah. Mm hmm. Right.

00:20:27.04
Bill
Put that, put that away.

00:20:28.56
Mike
Right. Yeah, exactly. No, no, no, we can't we can't have the founder of the program, the guy who wrote all this shit, say this stuff. um yeah no no no you have to do the steps you have to do them in order you have to do them completely or river romor ro ro right yeah now shut the fuck up man you know yes we're individuals we're different we we're gonna approach this thing differently you know yes we're all We're all basically the same.

00:20:38.19
Bill
Right.

00:20:46.23
Bill
Right.

00:20:55.70
Mike
Absolutely. You know, we all have the same problem and therefore we have the same solution, but. We are individuals and and we're going to.

00:21:03.38
Bill
Right.

00:21:04.39
Mike
look at things differently. from different backgrounds and different you know points of view and you know i mean you know uh hardcore Catholic, an Irish Catholic from the west side of Cleveland.

00:21:17.15
Bill
laughter

00:21:17.68
Mike
ah

00:21:18.86
Bill
And I'm an alcoholic.

00:21:20.02
Mike
Right. Probably isn't going to look at these steps the same way, say, yeah you know, ah a Jew from the east side of Cleveland is going to look at them.

00:21:21.98
Bill
Free.

00:21:28.65
Mike
You know, yeah.

00:21:29.10
Bill
Right?

00:21:29.57
Mike
Or or an atheist from Detroit is going to look at them.

00:21:32.95
Bill
Right. or Or a Muslim, you know, from From wherever, you know, or anything like that.

00:21:36.28
Mike
Right. Yeah, exactly

00:21:38.12
Bill
you know Somebody literally on the other side of the world, you know.

00:21:40.09
Mike
yeah right yeah or yeah a buddhist from fucking thailand or whatever yeah you know exactly you know we're going to look at these we're going to approach it differently yes the

00:21:40.96
Bill
Yeah.

00:21:43.83
Bill
Right.

00:21:49.74
Mike
the The structure is similar and we're going to approach it. you know. the actual physical working of the steps. physical is the right word but you know mental whatever you know what i'm saying um The working of the steps, the work's going to be.

00:22:05.93
Mike
pretty much the same but

00:22:07.94
Bill
Right.

00:22:08.33
Mike
We're coming at it from different angles, man, you know, and so it's going to be different. There is no hard and fast rules to this thing. um yeah Yeah, lighten the fuck up, man.

00:22:19.48
Bill
Right.

00:22:19.56
Mike
Yeah, well, the whole point is to be a better person. And however you get there is. Fucking cool, man. Just get there.

00:22:28.71
Bill
Right. Yeah, and that's why, I mean, again, to to begin with, when it it, I mean, it didn't shock me. It just, when I, when.

00:22:34.40
Mike
Mmm.

00:22:35.33
Bill
you listening to it immediately i was just kind of like the ears perk up you're like oh wait is i gotta listen a little closer what what the fuck's going on here you know um and then yeah

00:22:36.61
Mike
Right.

00:22:41.94
Mike
What exactly is he saying?

00:22:43.78
Bill
And then, yeah, that when i when I don't hear the word disclaims and I hear claims, I'm like, oh, he's off his fucking rocker now.

00:22:46.79
Mike
Right. Right.

00:22:49.43
Bill
and that's hey I don't know what the oh what's the fuck's going on now.

00:22:51.66
Mike
I am God.

00:22:53.30
Bill
Hehehehe.

00:22:53.59
Mike
Hehehehehehehehe.

00:22:54.97
Bill
yeah wait a second now if nothing else i know that's not god that's not fucking true um

00:22:58.95
Mike
Right.

00:22:59.84
Bill
you know but But no, i mean itll it i honestly, it all makes sense. and i mean i that here's Here's the thing that I that i really... ah appreciate about um ah Well...

00:23:10.60
Bill
Let me step back a little bit. So we came from, it's just so everyone knows, and especially if if you're a new listener, we came from, and you know Mike is mikeke still lives in Cleveland, but um our...

00:23:11.50
Mike
Mm.

00:23:17.86
Mike
Right?

00:23:19.23
Bill
this This sobriety thing that we're in right now, we got our we got our start and our basis and our our we grew up and in Cleveland.

00:23:22.07
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:23:26.63
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:23:27.19
Bill
you know, in this sobriety thing. and

00:23:28.73
Mike
Right.

00:23:29.64
Bill
Cleveland is it's probably a lot of people would consider to be hardcore.

00:23:34.09
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:23:33.95
Bill
It's just no nonsense, AA.

00:23:35.34
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:23:36.83
Bill
People don't take shit. A closed meeting means what it means, and they don't talk about this, and they do talk about that.

00:23:39.88
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:23:42.12
Bill
When they when they structure things and they they say what they mean, and they mean 100 % exactly what they say, they don't fuck around.

00:23:42.26
Mike
Right?

00:23:46.12
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:23:48.87
Mike
Yep. Yep.

00:23:49.74
Bill
you know there's no there's There's just none of this. It's not softened up. It's from the book.

00:23:54.20
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:23:54.58
Bill
It's handled by the by the book. Most meetings, 95 % of the meetings are that way.

00:23:56.26
Mike
Yes.

00:23:59.53
Mike
okay

00:23:59.86
Bill
um You know, you might run across one that's a little bit lighter here and there, but rare.

00:24:02.68
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm Yeah.

00:24:04.67
Bill
And, you know, but still, we've had the opportunity to, and I mean, like you and I, you know, have had the opportunity to, um thankfully, if if nothing else, I mean, over the years, but I think really over the last, well, four and a half years since we've been doing this, um you know, to, I don't, need it's not even.

00:24:09.74
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:24:18.97
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:24:22.17
Bill
it's not even softening up. I almost said that word and that's not what I mean. We've had the opportunity to to grow and expand.

00:24:28.28
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:24:27.98
Bill
um And I think be less rigid in the last even four and a half years. Not that we were hardcore rigid, but I mean, a lot of the things is we just didn't know.

00:24:33.32
Mike
Right. Hmm.

00:24:37.43
Bill
you know?

00:24:37.82
Mike
Right

00:24:38.66
Bill
We didn't know about these other forms of recovery. We hadn't met other people that were doing it successfully.

00:24:44.15
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:24:44.47
Bill
um You know, we just we had this we were on ah on a lane and on a path, which is.

00:24:48.42
Mike
Right.

00:24:48.62
Bill
nothing wrong with it you know but

00:24:49.45
Mike
Nope.

00:24:50.99
Bill
We had these blinders on and didn't realize that there's, you know. eight other towns around us and we're like oh wait what's what's over there there's people over there you know

00:24:55.17
Mike
Yeah.

00:24:58.97
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:25:00.19
Bill
Those people are actually doing doing well also. How you doing over there and how did you get to that point, you know?

00:25:03.27
Mike
Right.

00:25:05.43
Bill
But um it's just it's it's nice to be able to, it's comforting to to have. Like you just said, you know, don't be so rigid. Loosen the fuck up.

00:25:12.72
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:25:13.64
Bill
um you know, i probably kind of get over yourself type of thing you know

00:25:16.47
Mike
Yeah, well, I mean, the whole point of it was, you know, humility.

00:25:20.45
Bill
Right.

00:25:20.59
Mike
Yeah. Right. You know, yeah you're not the fucking be all end all this is, you know, and and none of it is, you know, there's certain basic. principles and and concepts yes but You know, they're they're kind of loose, man. You know, there's...

00:25:36.94
Mike
We're all working towards the same thing, but we're all doing it in different ways.

00:25:41.15
Bill
Right. Well, and the and the other thing, too, the and it says right in the book, I mean, the... The 12 steps, they're not. you know They're not you know demands. They're not... They're... suggestions And it says so right in the book.

00:25:52.32
Mike
Yes, they are Yep.

00:25:53.83
Bill
You know, I mean, you know, obviously we've said it before. We suggest that you do the steps that we suggest that you keep doing them.

00:25:58.03
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:25:59.26
Bill
And when all said and done, you know, even if you bounce around like this to begin with to get yourself started and get yourself doing something sooner or later, you need to go through and, you know, from start to finish and, you know, work them in the in the correct order.

00:25:59.71
Mike
Yes.

00:26:09.08
Mike
Right. Mm hmm.

00:26:11.48
Bill
They're building blocks, you know, and then continue to do that.

00:26:12.70
Mike
Right.

00:26:14.37
Bill
You know, obviously work through those over the years.

00:26:14.79
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:26:16.49
Bill
But, um you know, to begin with, I mean, hey, it's they they are suggestions. You don't have. to you as an individual whoever you are out there you don't have to do any of this shit

00:26:22.56
Mike
Mmm. No. Well.

00:26:25.85
Bill
Ever. Yeah.

00:26:26.68
Mike
Right.

00:26:28.66
Bill
Hmm.

00:26:28.83
Mike
Right. Now we don't suggest that you do that because yeah.

00:26:32.30
Bill
Correct. Right.

00:26:32.92
Mike
Right. Yeah. It's, you know, right. Not doing ah again, the whole point and Bill sort of says that he's you got to do something. You got to start, you know, make a start, man.

00:26:41.05
Bill
Right.

00:26:42.96
Mike
You know, and if you, if you start. working. towards this thing i mean the last line is you are sure to grow spiritually and yeah you are you're going to become a better person you're going to be more enlightened you're going to have a better outlook on things you know you just you just do even even my horrible fucking pessimistic nasty,

00:27:04.97
Bill
Right.

00:27:09.73
Mike
I hate the fucking world. um I still enjoy some things today.

00:27:15.33
Bill
Right Right?

00:27:16.68
Mike
you know due to doing this work You know, I can still, yes, it's all shit and it's all garbage and in blah, blah, blah. And there's fucking flies everywhere. but I will find that little daffodil poking its head out somewhere.

00:27:32.58
Mike
Right?

00:27:32.97
Bill
right

00:27:32.77
Mike
but Butterflies in the sunshine.

00:27:35.20
Bill
Right? Well, and, you know, the the same thing, too. I mean, I talk enough about how egotistical I i still can be, you know.

00:27:40.35
Mike
hu Sure.

00:27:41.49
Bill
But, but you know, i got I didn't get over it. It's not gone. but

00:27:45.16
Mike
Right.

00:27:46.18
Bill
far better than it used to be.

00:27:47.32
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:27:47.08
Bill
I mean, i was I had nothing to be egotistical about. you know i mean i i got

00:27:50.69
Mike
Right.

00:27:52.33
Bill
I've got a couple of things maybe that I that i could, I suppose, be egotistical about, but um I don't see the point.

00:27:56.48
Mike
Sure.

00:27:57.97
Bill
you know to it anymore um you know if if somebody like again i think back to like like heather you know heather make oh you're out doing all these different things i i do them when i can you know and i it took me a number of years to to get to this point you know to be able to to travel a little bit and you know again for the last six months um my money was down so you know what i did i didn't do a fucking thing you know not not that i didn't do a thing but it's not that wasn't running all over the country like i want to you know but

00:27:58.14
Mike
Night. Mm hmm.

00:28:06.01
Mike
Mm-hmm Right?

00:28:11.48
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:28:16.13
Mike
Yeah.

00:28:19.45
Mike
Right. Mmm. Sure. Right. Yeah, you're running all over Indiana and southern Michigan.

00:28:28.25
Bill
Yeah, and, you know, drive an hour away. and then i But i found I found something to fill the void because I was, I'm like, I can't.

00:28:30.09
Mike
Yeah.

00:28:33.81
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:28:35.67
Bill
not um Not that I can't.

00:28:37.23
Mike
Mm.

00:28:37.17
Bill
I didn't want to just sit and do nothing. you know I didn't want to just go to this fucking walking trail 20 minutes away every every weekend, which I do anyhow.

00:28:39.97
Mike
Right.

00:28:44.14
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.

00:28:46.12
Bill
I'll go on Saturday and you know hit that and then go shopping.

00:28:47.47
Mike
Yeah. Right.

00:28:48.91
Bill
but I want to go someplace to do something. So I'm like, okay, well, why I can, I can drive an hour away.

00:28:51.44
Mike
Yeah.

00:28:53.46
Bill
I can drive a half hour away.

00:28:53.82
Mike
Huh. Yep.

00:28:55.25
Bill
So I get to all these different trails and there's some cool places to see if if it's just a, whatever, you know.

00:28:59.43
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:29:00.15
Bill
But like I told Heather, I'm like, i'm like

00:29:00.24
Mike
Mm-hmm

00:29:02.25
Bill
You and I are in ah in a completely completely different points in our lives, okay?

00:29:06.44
Mike
Right.

00:29:06.69
Bill
You know, I'm like, I don't i don't have a small child. I didn't adopt a child, you know, X number of years ago.

00:29:09.36
Mike
Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

00:29:11.14
Bill
I don't have one of one of those one of those beings to look after.

00:29:14.84
Mike
Hehehehe.

00:29:15.50
Bill
you know i don't have to the worst thing i have to do the worst thing is to if i'm going to be gone for a period of time or have something planned i check in with my daughter i'm like

00:29:24.87
Mike
Right.

00:29:25.38
Bill
Or my kids mainly, but I mean with her from the babysitting standpoint.

00:29:26.55
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:29:28.18
Bill
but And I check in with you and Kathy and and my kids.

00:29:28.15
Mike
Sure.

00:29:31.46
Bill
It's like, okay, this is what I'd like to do. And even when I started traveling before, does anyone need me for the next three weeks?

00:29:35.25
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:29:37.73
Bill
you know do i need to be anywhere or or when's the next time i need to be someplace

00:29:37.52
Mike
Right. Hehehehe.

00:29:42.11
Mike
Don't worry Bill, we never need you.

00:29:43.70
Bill
well Well, where do I need to be?

00:29:44.79
Mike
Hehehehehehe. Right.

00:29:46.17
Bill
Where where you know where does somebody need to use me in ah in a particular place?

00:29:48.84
Mike
Hmm.

00:29:50.59
Bill
you know but But whatever the case is, you know. I don't know that... The the whole point in in a whole point of this thing is the is that, like you just said, that growth. I mean, we're going to grow.

00:29:58.78
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:29:59.67
Bill
We're going to grow individually and personally and spiritually, and all those things have happened, and they do happen.

00:30:04.02
Mike
Yep.

00:30:04.72
Bill
and you know It's... It's nice. It's just it's just really fucking nice.

00:30:07.12
Mike
Yes. Mm-hmm.

00:30:09.47
Bill
even though, again, life can be a pain in the fucking ass. a A lot of times it can be, it can be frustrating and life is life. And, you know, we're no, we're no, we're no different than anyone else that just because we have, ah you know, this thing that we call alcoholism and, you know, we got to go to some meetings and read some books and do some things, you know.

00:30:17.50
Mike
Yes it is.

00:30:24.38
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:30:26.82
Mike
We hope.

00:30:29.09
Bill
We're still going to deal with life just the way anyone else does, you know?

00:30:31.28
Mike
Yep. We do.

00:30:32.54
Bill
But hopefully we oh hopefully, in some cases, we can do it just a little bit better.

00:30:37.10
Mike
Yeah. occasionally.

00:30:38.90
Bill
Occasionally, occasionally. So what else? What else from the... For the reading, what else ah jumped out at you or what else did we...

00:30:45.84
Mike
I, I.

00:30:46.05
Bill
Again, not missed. I almost said it again.

00:30:47.04
Mike
Right. I know. Yeah. and i Don't think we did. you know again just uh Yeah. Remember, you know, this whole thing comes from humans and it is of humans. And remember that.

00:31:00.94
Bill
Right.

00:31:00.92
Mike
You know, there's there's nothing magical and divine about any of this. So settle the hell down. There's a couple of drunks in Akron, Ohio. A butt doctor and a failed stockbroker figured this shit out.

00:31:12.60
Bill
Right, man.

00:31:13.12
Mike
Yeah. Yeah, that's it. That's all.

00:31:15.02
Bill
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. He had the magical and miracle.

00:31:19.62
Mike
So so so so so

00:31:21.08
Bill
Yeah, one of the one of the readings this week had the had the miracle word in it, and I just i laugh every time because, I mean, we've talked about it a couple of different times.

00:31:24.58
Mike
Hmm.

00:31:27.58
Mike
Yep.

00:31:27.52
Bill
and I mean, it's just it's just not, you know, but, you know, just it's not a fucking miracle.

00:31:30.66
Mike
Yeah.

00:31:32.80
Bill
it's just you you do You do the work and you get the results.

00:31:33.77
Mike
Great.

00:31:36.38
Bill
fucking Imagine that.

00:31:36.15
Mike
Yes. Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh.

00:31:41.34
Bill
ah But anyhow, you know what? I want to tell you about this Airbnb at some point too. But um yeah, the ah but you know let's let's let's just jump into that right away.

00:31:44.88
Mike
Yes.

00:31:48.91
Bill
said you know we would

00:31:49.15
Mike
Yeah. hey So like, have you gotten any pussy down there yet?

00:31:52.64
Bill
Any what?

00:31:54.64
Mike
It's a bad Nashville pussy.

00:31:56.82
Bill
Oh, done no, no, no, no, no.

00:31:57.81
Mike
All right

00:31:58.01
Bill
I was going to say none of the other stuff either. I'm like, God damn, like...

00:32:01.20
Mike
instance

00:32:00.96
Bill
a You can just call me out. I i haven't gotten laid yet.

00:32:04.43
Mike
Hey, hey, hey.

00:32:04.41
Bill
no i' but so So here's the thing. So first of all, for anyone who doesn't follow us on Instagram or doesn't pay attention, um I'm actually in Clarksville, which is about it's little it's about an hour outside of Nashville or close to it.

00:32:17.39
Mike
Right.

00:32:18.40
Bill
and that

00:32:18.26
Mike
did you get the last train there

00:32:20.08
Bill
hey Yeah. The the reason that i that I booked out here is because, you know, the obviously more expensive, well, not obviously, but they are the properties are more expensive in Nashville.

00:32:27.24
Mike
Hmm.

00:32:28.77
Bill
I had one where I could have been in this nice this nice area where we were actually looking to maybe do one of these hosting things.

00:32:33.47
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:32:35.38
Bill
but

00:32:35.37
Mike
Right.

00:32:36.06
Bill
um Right as I'm about to book, I mean, somebody booked one day out of the week I was going to be here, so I fucked up my entire thing.

00:32:40.66
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.

00:32:42.68
Bill
So. I did, and I'll talk about when I went down to Nashville. I mean, i you you saw the picture or so.

00:32:47.22
Mike
I did.

00:32:47.60
Bill
but um But when i when I got to this place and I had to, it wasn't that far from where I was in in Indiana. So basically it's like I could, I left Indiana at 1030. I had plenty of time.

00:32:57.59
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:32:58.09
Bill
I just meandered and stopped and I walked and I stopped and I went grocery shopping. the ah There's Walmart and Aldi like 10 minutes away from here.

00:33:06.05
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:33:06.24
Bill
So I timed all this stuff out. So literally I got here at check-in time was four.

00:33:10.90
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:33:11.16
Bill
And I got here at like 4 .07 or something like that.

00:33:13.71
Mike
Mm-hmm

00:33:14.52
Bill
You know, planned everything out perfectly. And, you know, I i get here. It it was. It was. It's fucking 100 degrees, you know?

00:33:21.24
Mike
Yep.

00:33:21.90
Bill
Hotter than fucking hell, you know which again is fine. I wasn't really complaining about that, but just the little bit of being out and about and I'm in the car and I'm like, I want to relax. I just want to get something to eat, lah bla blah, blah, blah.

00:33:31.14
Mike
Yeah. Right.

00:33:32.53
Bill
get my shit in there and and be done with it. so you know i mean This place is no different than other ones. It has, you know, the keypad lock. And i've I've used plenty of them.

00:33:39.76
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:33:41.39
Bill
but Keypad locks are about as... diverse as credit card machines when you walk into a store.

00:33:48.87
Mike
Right.

00:33:49.38
Bill
you know you could go to to three stores or five stores in a row and every one of them is going to have a different type of machine for you to swipe your card or tap it.

00:33:55.49
Mike
Yeah.

00:33:56.72
Bill
They're all different.

00:33:57.55
Mike
Right.

00:33:58.18
Bill
you know And that's fine. I mean, it's all competition. it's There's nothing wrong with that. I have no issue with it. but And just every once in a while, you're sitting there looking at a person's like, you got to press yes. I'm like, fuck. Okay, yes.

00:34:07.40
Mike
Fuh.

00:34:08.15
Bill
and i And I never use my debit, so I don't have to put a pin in.

00:34:11.37
Mike
right

00:34:12.19
Bill
but um So I get here, and it's just a regular old block. And they they programmed it. A lot of these places now, they'll do the last four-year phone number, which is wonderful.

00:34:19.11
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:34:19.32
Bill
I love it when they do that. You know, easy to remember.

00:34:20.68
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:34:22.81
Bill
So I get here, and you know the the way the sun the sun's like beating on my back, it's at that that side of the building. you know So I was beating on the building.

00:34:27.98
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:34:29.28
Bill
I walk up, and i I... punch in my code and you know just burn Punch in my cold.

00:34:34.21
Mike
Hey.

00:34:36.67
Bill
Punch in my cold. I hear a positive beep every once in a while, but then finish my cold. and boom I'm like, are you fucking?

00:34:40.75
Mike
m

00:34:43.36
Bill
Kidding me, like really kidding me, you know? So i'm I open up the app, and I look, and I'm like, okay, I've got the right code. I look at this, and it's like if the door doesn't open, um you know, or if there a the the lock, when you close it or open it, doesn't do right away, you know, like the pin, you know, the deadbolt, um sometimes the door's not lined up, whatever.

00:34:58.91
Mike
Yeah.

00:35:00.89
Bill
I'm like, it's not even doing that. Nothing's happening. you know it's not taking the code and there's nothing else i'm not missing anything it tells me it's my phone number so everything's in here

00:35:03.10
Mike
Right.

00:35:07.67
Mike
Hmm?

00:35:09.92
Bill
I read it.

00:35:10.07
Mike
Right.

00:35:10.36
Bill
I'm like i'm looking at this.

00:35:11.40
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:35:12.52
Bill
So finally I make the phone call, you know.

00:35:14.34
Mike
Yeah.

00:35:14.90
Bill
And I get the lady on the phone, and she's like, the code doesn't work. I'm like, no, the code doesn't work. So this back and forth, back and forth, and she's like, try the code again. I did. Okay, I'm going to change it.

00:35:24.91
Bill
Try this code. I try that code. It's not working.

00:35:27.07
Mike
Yeah.

00:35:26.72
Bill
And she's like, are you pressing? She said, how are you doing that? Are you pressing a key first and then the code? And I said.

00:35:32.68
Mike
ah

00:35:33.50
Bill
No. And she's like, well, you got to press a key. First,

00:35:37.77
Mike
Yeah.

00:35:38.29
Bill
And then the code. No. I just looked at the app. Okay.

00:35:42.31
Mike
Yeah.

00:35:42.51
Bill
I was looking for something like that.

00:35:42.46
Mike
Right.

00:35:44.14
Bill
Am I supposed to, like, stand on one leg and and scratch my back when I do this?

00:35:44.98
Mike
Mm hmm. Yes. Right.

00:35:49.35
Bill
because there are some. that The one I was at in Indiana, you you tap the screen, two numbers come up, like a two and a six. or They're all random, but you press those numbers first, and the full keypad comes up for you to put your code in.

00:36:00.27
Mike
ah

00:36:00.85
Bill
I've seen that before you know so But they put that in their instructions.

00:36:05.20
Mike
yeah

00:36:05.82
Bill
Anytime with these key locks, that's what they do. Make sure that you hit this and then this comes up and blah, blah, blah.

00:36:10.63
Mike
Right.

00:36:10.95
Bill
So rarely have I ever had a problem because they give you instructions, okay?

00:36:14.10
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:36:14.85
Bill
These fucking people don't.

00:36:16.19
Mike
Right.

00:36:16.23
Bill
they're just like She's like, oh, you didn't do that? No.

00:36:18.18
Mike
No.

00:36:19.83
Bill
so Then finally, I'm like, okay, well, do that, and then a code and then then the code that she gives me works. I'm like, okay, it's open now.

00:36:25.43
Mike
a

00:36:26.79
Bill
So I open the door, and then the deadbolt, as the doors open, the deadbolt closes.

00:36:26.76
Mike
Right.

00:36:30.68
Bill
I'm like. It's just like locked while it's open again. She's like, well, it does that after like. After like 10 seconds or 5 seconds. like

00:36:37.21
Mike
ahha

00:36:37.97
Bill
Why does it do that? And she's like, well... when you shut the door it just locks automatically i'm like okay it didn't make any sense to me but i was like she's like well try your code again i like it doesn't my code doesn't work she's like okay then you're going to use the code i'm going to set that for you that's all all fine But I'm like.

00:36:44.85
Mike
yeah

00:36:52.63
Mike
ah hey

00:36:54.35
Bill
First of all, i and i I actually apologize to her. I'm like, you know what, I'm sorry if I was a little, and I didn't yell at her or anything like that.

00:36:57.94
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.

00:37:00.87
Bill
dumb ass you fucker whatever but i was a little bit just you could tell i was irritated

00:37:02.14
Mike
Right? Yeah, of course.

00:37:06.73
Bill
But I but even apologize. it said you know It's been... ah sort of a long day, which it really wasn't, but felt like a long day.

00:37:11.96
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:37:12.06
Bill
And I'm like, it's hot. I said, oh, the sun's just beating on my back right now. I'm like, it's hot. So I said, I'm sorry. So then I get in here, and I start loading stuff, and I'm like, oh, like it's fucking hot in here.

00:37:18.08
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:37:21.100
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:37:22.82
Bill
And, you know, the door's open. I can't shut the door all the way, which is fine because my car is literally parked out front.

00:37:27.41
Mike
right

00:37:27.76
Bill
But I go and I look at the air conditioning and it's like 79 degrees.

00:37:31.02
Mike
There it is.

00:37:31.99
Bill
And I'm like, but it's set for like 68.

00:37:35.89
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:37:36.51
Bill
I'm like what? Your brain you're looking but at that Am I looking at this wrong? let me look at this again like mar why because you can't i'm like how

00:37:43.72
Mike
Hehehehehehehehe.

00:37:46.83
Bill
i was it's off by 11 degrees you know it All I did, I'm like, I... It's working hit the thermostat back and forth. It's just fucking 79 degrees in here Michael maybe

00:37:56.22
Mike
Alright.

00:37:57.78
Bill
But the thermostat is halfway down the hall. It's far enough away from the door, even though I had the door up. I'm like, God, really? I'm like, maybe. because the door was open, but...

00:38:03.37
Mike
m Sure.

00:38:05.73
Bill
Rest of the night, whatever, this this air conditioner, whatever it is, it it can't keep up with the with the heat.

00:38:09.99
Mike
yeah

00:38:10.41
Bill
So I, and I ended up, I'm just, I'm fucking irritated about that. I'm irritated about this, this, the, the neighborhood it's. This is, I'm in 50 % hood neighborhood. um which, again, i'm not I'm not trying to say.

00:38:19.22
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:38:23.03
Bill
you know, not trying to say anything but if i'm paying the what we're paying to be here.

00:38:27.82
Mike
Right.

00:38:28.62
Bill
Either two things. tell me i'm going to be in the hood let me make a decision

00:38:31.56
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:38:32.33
Bill
you know and tell me there's going to be fucking garbage all over the street garbage cans out there's fucking shit everywhere it's kind of a it's a little bit run down and for again the This is not the most expensive place I've paid in the week, but it's up there.

00:38:36.17
Mike
a

00:38:43.51
Mike
Right.

00:38:44.90
Bill
you know

00:38:44.96
Mike
Yeah.

00:38:45.53
Bill
it's in the 80 percentile i'd say um and i'm like that's

00:38:47.21
Mike
Mm-hmm

00:38:49.53
Bill
Peace. It's just unacceptable. You know?

00:38:51.09
Mike
Right.

00:38:52.44
Bill
So just, again, little things. that i got I got in the kitchen. I mean, then the the counter's all kind of chipped up. It's like, you know. little things for for an airbnb i'm like take some fucking pride in in what you're what you're doing you know

00:38:58.65
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:39:02.83
Mike
Yeah.

00:39:03.81
Bill
Um, and then, um, I, so I go upstairs and I'm going to turn the fans on cause it's fucking 81 degrees upstairs. Cause I have a clock that has a temperature gauge on it or a thermostat on it.

00:39:11.85
Mike
Uh-huh, right. Yeah. Yeah.

00:39:14.98
Bill
And I'm like, oh, my God, I'm going to fucking lose my mind here. And then there was a couple of other things. Oh, I i go to wash my hands after all. So I get all my shit in here and I'm sweating my fucking balls off, you know.

00:39:26.04
Bill
Get all my stuff in there. I go to wash my hands and I look over in the, you know, like your sprayers in your second sink, right?

00:39:31.77
Mike
Yeah.

00:39:32.64
Bill
And you know that's in there's two things here. Same thing. I look over because I thought I... felt something like kind of splashing on me.

00:39:38.66
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:39:39.25
Bill
the sprayer has just at the base of the sprayer right above the there's like the plastic hose a little bit of hard plastic where it screws into and then the

00:39:47.25
Mike
Yeah.

00:39:47.58
Bill
the sprayer part.

00:39:48.61
Mike
Meh.

00:39:49.18
Bill
right at the base of the sprayer part, there's like a pinhole that's just shooting water out of the pinhole.

00:39:52.74
Mike
Laughter.

00:39:54.35
Bill
And I'm like, Are you fucking kidding me?

00:39:56.72
Mike
Yeah.

00:39:57.39
Bill
Because that is something that I mean you would You can't not see that You know?

00:40:01.91
Mike
Right.

00:40:03.08
Bill
So... The door, I mean, and that's the thing. They they leave instructions on the fact that if the if the door doesn't lock, it it's because it's not lined up right.

00:40:10.53
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:40:11.27
Bill
We'll fucking fix it.

00:40:12.49
Mike
All right.

00:40:14.23
Bill
so it's just these little things and finally ah you know i'm i'm like i'm i was i was gonna message the host and i'm like fuck it i'm just i'm just gonna fucking deal with it because i'm just gonna fucking deal with it

00:40:22.18
Mike
Yeah.

00:40:24.49
Bill
And then.

00:40:24.10
Mike
Right.

00:40:25.44
Bill
it might have been that It might have been the next day. It might have been that night. Oh, how did your check-in go? And I'm like, i'm like well.

00:40:29.94
Mike
that is

00:40:32.53
Bill
And I just explained to him, you know, this, this, this.

00:40:32.57
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

00:40:34.96
Bill
And then, oh, there was, ah there was like ants running across the counter. It's only, I've only been a couple of them, but I'm like, oh great. I'll get a fucking ants in here too.

00:40:40.80
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:40:40.56
Bill
You know? i'm Just, again, little things. it's just It's not what I expected. It's not as nice as what I what i thought what I was getting. And um all said and done.

00:40:47.22
Mike
Yeah.

00:40:49.57
Bill
It just... It's too it's too expensive for...

00:40:52.49
Mike
e

00:40:53.24
Bill
for being this. you know.

00:40:53.95
Mike
For what it is, yeah.

00:40:54.95
Bill
Yeah. And, you know, I even said I even told the host, I'm like, I'm like. but even told him that you know i said i said this is just it's for this is unacceptable to the point of what of of the cost that i'm paying figuring that worst case scenario without saying you should give me some money back if nothing else

00:41:00.05
Mike
Yeah.

00:41:08.73
Mike
mm-hmm

00:41:09.92
Bill
you know But, I mean, I told him right away with the air conditioning, I'm like, don't don't even think about asking me to have anyone in here. I said, I work during the week. I can't have the distraction.

00:41:17.53
Mike
Right.

00:41:17.56
Bill
I'll deal with it.

00:41:18.63
Mike
yeah

00:41:18.87
Bill
i'm I'm going to make the choice to deal with it. That's my that's on me.

00:41:21.86
Mike
Uh huh.

00:41:22.24
Bill
you know And I told him, I said, I'm not going to put this in the review or anything like that, but I'm like, you just need to know.

00:41:26.68
Mike
Yeah.

00:41:27.23
Bill
this, but So here here's the thing. one of our After said and done, and it's it's all fine. Once it cooled down a little bit, the last two nights I wake up and it's been um the the coolest that's gotten down here where I'm at right now.

00:41:33.63
Mike
he

00:41:39.67
Bill
cause i up The bedrooms are upstairs. The coolest that's gotten down here is 74, but that that was actually a little comfortable this morning.

00:41:41.47
Mike
Yeah. Mmm.

00:41:46.16
Bill
And the way the air conditioning is blowing from up above, I actually turned it off for a little bit or turned it up, you know, so it would turn off it just while I was working to begin with because I got a little chilly.

00:41:46.41
Mike
Right.

00:41:52.41
Mike
Yeah.

00:41:55.01
Bill
But upstairs. It actually got to be like 71 degrees in the bedroom. I'm like, oh, okay. Well, until it heated up today.

00:41:59.91
Mike
ahha

00:42:01.43
Bill
that's you know Now it's like.

00:42:01.89
Mike
fifty

00:42:02.62
Bill
77 degrees again. but um

00:42:04.10
Mike
Yeah.

00:42:06.03
Bill
But then I'm... ah messaging or i'm sorry texting with one of uh this ah Another person I met on on Instagram, she lives in the southern end of the state, and she listened to us when we when she first got sober a few years ago and blah, blah, blah.

00:42:12.30
Mike
Mhm.

00:42:18.09
Mike
Okay.

00:42:18.34
Bill
I mean, we chit-chatted back and forth, but we we actually changed numbers. were texting back and forth.

00:42:23.90
Mike
hu

00:42:23.98
Bill
She's just very cool.

00:42:25.01
Mike
There.

00:42:25.53
Bill
So. um she She knows what we're doing with the Airbnb thing, and I had told her. She knew I was taking this trip and blah, blah, blah. So she texted me, or um maybe I just said hi this morning or whatever it was.

00:42:34.93
Mike
right

00:42:35.47
Bill
So she texted me back either today or yesterday. And, you know, she's like, oh, you know, blah, blah, blah. how How's your trip going? I'm like, well, I got a story for you.

00:42:43.73
Mike
a

00:42:44.37
Bill
Kept it brief, but I told her what was going on. and then you know,

00:42:46.27
Mike
Yeah.

00:42:47.90
Bill
she She texts back and she's like, well, she's like, this is actually not a bad thing. At least you now it just adds to another thing of you know you knowing what not to do when when you guys have an Airbnb.

00:42:56.40
Mike
okay Yeah.

00:42:58.54
Bill
And I'm like, ah fuck me. I didn't need to hear that.

00:43:00.34
Mike
a

00:43:00.53
Bill
You know? and And I'm just like, in in my head right away, I'm like, I don't want to fucking hear that. I want you to co-sign my bullshit.

00:43:06.12
Mike
Right.

00:43:07.13
Bill
I want you to complain with me.

00:43:07.60
Mike
Yes. Mm hmm.

00:43:08.69
Bill
I want you to jump on board and go, those motherfuckers and blah, blah, blah.

00:43:12.55
Mike
Right.

00:43:13.63
Bill
But you know what? I'm like, God damn. So I texted back and I'm like, you know what? That's a good point. And I was like i said, and true.

00:43:16.96
Mike
Mhm.

00:43:18.26
Bill
you know?

00:43:18.77
Mike
Yep.

00:43:19.40
Bill
But so, Kelly, if you listen to this, yeah, what to begin with, that was my first thought. I'm like, fuck, man, just co-sign my bullshit. Let's get on with life, you know?

00:43:25.17
Mike
Yep. Mm hmm.

00:43:27.13
Bill
But she's right. She's right.

00:43:27.91
Mike
Yeah.

00:43:28.24
Bill
so

00:43:28.35
Mike
Exactly. No bad examples.

00:43:30.62
Bill
Exactly. so And in again, it's not it's not terrible. i'm just um I'll be very, very glad to to get out. Kimmy had texted me the same thing a couple of days ago.

00:43:38.81
Mike
Mhm.

00:43:39.24
Bill
So how's your trip so far?

00:43:40.27
Mike
Right. see

00:43:41.53
Bill
and then she's like oh man she's like hopefully your next one is i'm like well that's that's a three bedroom house and that's in a nice neighborhood.

00:43:46.20
Mike
Yeah.

00:43:47.34
Bill
If that one's a shithole, God.

00:43:47.70
Mike
Mm hmm. Yeah.

00:43:50.62
Bill
I mean, yeah because now that one is up up at the range of paying way too much fucking money for it to be even close to be a goddamn shithole.

00:43:54.61
Mike
Uh huh. right

00:43:57.04
Bill
But um it it should be fine. That one should be okay. But, you know, the thing of it is everything's fine here.

00:44:02.34
Mike
Yep.

00:44:01.94
Bill
you know The internet's fine. it's ah it's um um I'm housed. Everything's fine. i It's not dangerous or anything.

00:44:06.23
Mike
Uh huh. He he he he he.

00:44:08.06
Bill
I'm i'm walking outside. and

00:44:10.10
Mike
Uh huh.

00:44:10.58
Bill
And I'm walking the neighborhood doing my walks and stuff like that. i'm not I haven't been attacked.

00:44:13.15
Mike
Right.

00:44:14.03
Bill
I haven't been robbed or anything like that.

00:44:15.68
Mike
well

00:44:15.60
Bill
It's not that.

00:44:16.69
Mike
Right.

00:44:17.05
Bill
That's what I said. it's ah's they're They're townhomes. It looks like an area that you'd walk into or get into in ah in ah in an area of whatever city you're in.

00:44:21.30
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:44:24.06
Bill
that was probably you know These were really, really nice when they first got it. and that Just the neighborhood went down a little bit.

00:44:28.80
Mike
Right?

00:44:29.48
Bill
just and it's And it's fine. you know.

00:44:30.97
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:44:31.76
Bill
It just is what it is. It's just like, you know. Again, for like you said. what What I should be paying for, what I'm paying for, didn't live up to what I have. That's all.

00:44:38.94
Mike
Right. Yep.

00:44:41.02
Bill
But, um yeah, so that just real quick like with my schedule tomorrow with the episode thing. So here's here's my plan, and I think I mentioned this to you briefly last week, but I've got i've got a full plan now.

00:44:50.59
Mike
Okay.

00:44:51.61
Bill
So. um We're doing the – at work they're doing a – just a system conversion, not a big deal, but, you know, this thing where as of 4 o 'clock today, we had to be off the system.

00:44:57.24
Mike
Mhm.

00:45:01.69
Bill
So we started at 7 a .m. this morning rather than 8, worked a 7 to 4. which you get no big deal. So I got it to get up an hour early. People were bitching about that.

00:45:10.22
Mike
anyway

00:45:10.48
Bill
Bye. Jesus Christ. bra bra right

00:45:12.85
Mike
Right.

00:45:13.38
Bill
Especially West Coast people like we we gotta start at 5 a .m I'm like, like you know suck it up.

00:45:16.53
Mike
Yeah.

00:45:18.16
Bill
Go to bed early.

00:45:18.62
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:45:20.15
Bill
It's an hour. What the fuck?

00:45:21.04
Mike
Yeah. Right.

00:45:23.02
Bill
but um So that part, we got done it for, which worked out perfect because I actually was able to make my dinner, eat, and now you know we started a little bit later than we had planned, which, again, all this stuff tonight, perfect.

00:45:31.22
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:45:32.74
Bill
I had plenty of time to kind of just hang out and do whatever. And then tomorrow. We're only working from... 8 until 11, and we're just doing training and some call reviews and whatever, and then we're done.

00:45:41.24
Mike
Right.

00:45:44.03
Bill
So 11 a .m. tomorrow, I'm done.

00:45:46.15
Mike
Cool.

00:45:46.100
Bill
So. I figured this was my thought because, I mean, it's just drive time out to from from where I'm at right now in Clarksville, Tennessee, and I'm driving all the way out to Austin, Texas, ah which, again, you've done it before.

00:45:54.31
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.

00:45:57.62
Bill
I'm just telling everyone else.

00:45:58.07
Mike
Hmm.

00:45:58.32
Bill
you know umm I'm trying to act like this is a big deal. you know

00:46:00.46
Mike
Ha ha. You keep trying.

00:46:02.48
Bill
But it's... I know. But it's it's like, you know, drive time about 12 and a half hours.

00:46:06.54
Mike
Right?

00:46:07.31
Bill
So I'm going to give myself a total of 14 hours between for the time I leave to the time I need to check in because that gives me time. Piss breaks, coffee. If I get tired, I want to walk.

00:46:16.83
Mike
Yeah.

00:46:18.81
Bill
If I just get there early, I could go grocery shopping, whatever.

00:46:22.12
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:46:22.18
Bill
you know I just gave myself an extra hour and a half. that's I usually give myself an hour extra of drive time.

00:46:27.54
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:46:27.99
Bill
or on top of the drive time for the same thing so I can walk and do these things.

00:46:29.53
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:46:32.44
Bill
so um I can, I mean, by by the time I get done, I've got a realtor that I need to call in Austin. So I've got a realtor that I'm going to. touch base with before I get out there to try to get some ideas on properties out there.

00:46:42.22
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:46:44.63
Bill
So I got to make that phone call as soon as I'm i'm done at 11. Maybe that takes a half hour. And then I put the episode together.

00:46:49.59
Mike
Right.

00:46:51.76
Bill
I'm going to eat something, eat some lunch, do whatever, try to get stuff, you know, kind of sort of packed up, get things in shape like I would normally do.

00:46:53.58
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:47:00.23
Bill
And then even if I go to bed and go to sleep at by three.

00:47:00.13
Mike
Right?

00:47:04.34
Mike
Hmm.

00:47:04.97
Bill
I can get up at 10.

00:47:06.53
Mike
Mmm.

00:47:07.17
Bill
And then... you know, All said and done. Get everything out. Get everything packed. shower, and then leave at one in the morning.

00:47:14.26
Mike
Yeah.

00:47:15.14
Bill
And that's what I'm going to do. Cause I mean, this is, I can get a full night's sleep.

00:47:18.81
Mike
Right.

00:47:20.79
Bill
And I mean, granted, yes, I'll be up at one in the morning. so so So I'm getting up a few hours early that I get up for work.

00:47:23.02
Mike
Yeah.

00:47:25.84
Bill
So fucking what, you know?

00:47:26.11
Mike
Right. Right.

00:47:27.77
Bill
I'm just going to drive out there. I had texted Derek the other day because ah in Wisconsin got the I'll tell you storms.

00:47:34.64
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:47:34.53
Bill
These storms are they're hitting fucking everywhere. You know, Wisconsin's gotten hit a couple of times.

00:47:36.37
Mike
Yeah.

00:47:38.39
Bill
Obviously, Kathy, I didn't realize Kathy just got an Internet back the other day.

00:47:41.82
Mike
<unk>

00:47:42.67
Bill
You know, I mean, and she got her power back like the next day, but I was like, oh, fuck.

00:47:44.99
Mike
Right.

00:47:45.63
Bill
It was like the day after I left. but

00:47:47.51
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:47:47.52
Bill
I wouldn't have been able to work. They didn't have internet.

00:47:48.84
Mike
Right. Right.

00:47:50.13
Bill
you know So it took... you know a week to get the internet back uh but the Wisconsin-Milwaukee area got hit again. So I texted Derek.

00:47:56.25
Mike
Yeah.

00:47:56.83
Bill
I'm like, were you guys you guys cool with everything? He's like, yeah. He goes, it it didn't hit us bad and whatever. and So, you know, I told him, I'm like, hey, I can't just get into that back, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, oh, you know, by the way, I said, um you know, I said, I know, you know, I'm down here.

00:48:08.24
Bill
And I was just telling him briefly that when I'm leaving and he's like.

00:48:10.89
Mike
m

00:48:11.24
Bill
ah he's like He goes, that he goes that or I'm like, oh, yeah, we're going to be out there. It's going to be like 100 degrees. He said, that weather sounds terrible.

00:48:18.89
Mike
hehehehehehehehehehe

00:48:20.02
Bill
Which, again, is what it is.

00:48:21.62
Mike
Uh huh.

00:48:21.62
Bill
But he said, And he goes to that drive. He goes. No.

00:48:25.22
Mike
Hehehe.

00:48:25.38
Bill
I'm like, yeah, fuck it. I'm like, I'm going to go to bed. I'm going to do whatever. but I don't know.

00:48:28.65
Mike
Yeah.

00:48:29.58
Bill
It's just kind of funny. i don't I don't think it's that bad. I mean, it's a long drive. Don't get me wrong. But, you know, fuck it. I mean, I'm going to give myself plenty of time to get there and, you know, then get settled in and, you know.

00:48:36.90
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:48:39.05
Bill
do my thing so

00:48:39.06
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:48:41.16
Bill
But yeah, i'm I'm looking forward to it. Oh, ah Chris from Sands Bar on Instagram. i all you know I'm starting to push, obviously, some of these things again about the... um obviously the the award ceremony and stuff like that on instagram and then uh you know he he commented on one of these he goes i'm really looking forward to meeting you guys next week so i'm like yeah i said we're looking forward to it too so should be It'll be, well, not even should be.

00:48:51.88
Mike
mm-hmm

00:48:57.70
Mike
Cool. Nice. Mm hmm.

00:49:03.16
Bill
I know it's going to be a good time. and then

00:49:04.86
Mike
Yes it is.

00:49:05.71
Bill
No, we got we got plenty to, I don't know, that's good it'll be fun.

00:49:08.44
Mike
Yes.

00:49:08.33
Bill
I've never, because you've never actually, i and I keep asking, you've never, you've been through but not at.

00:49:11.86
Mike
Right. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, never spend time, right, yeah.

00:49:14.02
Bill
Okay.

00:49:16.33
Mike
truck stops and... you know. Interstate.

00:49:20.20
Bill
Truck stops and lot lizards.

00:49:21.60
Mike
Yeah.

00:49:23.14
Bill
Hehehehe.

00:49:22.58
Mike
Yeah.

00:49:24.28
Bill
joking, joking about that.

00:49:24.99
Mike
Truck stops, interstates, and loading docks. Yeah.

00:49:28.21
Bill
Right. Right. Yeah. Once again, if anyone doesn't know what a lot lizard is, look it up. It's ah it's it's a thing.

00:49:33.04
Mike
uh-huh

00:49:34.42
Bill
It's ah my dad.

00:49:35.09
Mike
It is.

00:49:35.28
Bill
My dad introduced me, not introduced me. No.

00:49:38.65
Mike
Hey.

00:49:38.62
Bill
Yeah. Lost my virgin virginity to a lot lizard. Not true. Not true.

00:49:42.85
Mike
Right.

00:49:43.46
Bill
But by yeah, I had no idea. yu 17, 18 years old. My dad's like, ah he's like, yeah, he goes. ah Watch out. You got to watch out for the lot lizard.

00:49:51.62
Mike
Mhm.

00:49:51.42
Bill
See, I'm like, what is what is a lot lizard?

00:49:53.27
Mike
Hehehehe.

00:49:53.69
Bill
You know, so this is, again, this is fucking years and years and years ago.

00:49:56.45
Mike
Yeah.

00:49:56.47
Bill
But yeah, so he told me about that. But anyhow. So, yeah, we're going to have a nice time. We'll have ah plenty plenty to talk about once once we're out there and on the way.

00:50:05.70
Mike
Yeah.

00:50:05.97
Bill
so All right. Well, gosh, look at look at the time, Mike.

00:50:09.25
Mike
Look at the time.

00:50:09.32
Bill
Gee whiz.

00:50:10.10
Mike
Well, you know what?

00:50:10.57
Bill
hey

00:50:12.79
Mike
We're going to take a quick quick break and we're going to come back and we're going to talk about Bill's adventures in Nashville right after these words from our sponsors.

00:50:30.86
Bill
All right everyone, welcome back. And yes, I did. I went to Nashville.

00:50:36.35
Mike
You did.

00:50:36.87
Bill
You know, and here's here's the funny part. So I was... um i Was it when I first got here? No, because it was it was hot when I was in. ah Um, No, actually, it was on the way down.

00:50:46.82
Bill
I was just trying to think when i when I was walking a little bit. It was on the way down here. Because, I mean, from Indiana all the way down to here, I mean, it was between 95 and 100 degrees every every place I went.

00:50:50.77
Mike
o

00:50:57.05
Mike
Right.

00:50:57.83
Bill
And, you know, the the one time and again, I had time to kill, you know, so the one trust stop, I would stop it.

00:51:01.36
Mike
Well.

00:51:03.51
Bill
And i I mentioned this before. I like loves. It's it's always safe.

00:51:07.13
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:51:07.08
Bill
It's comfortable. If I can, I stop there. I like their coffee, but it's always clean and comfortable in there.

00:51:12.02
Mike
Yeah.

00:51:11.74
Bill
They're safe, you know, from what I've seen.

00:51:12.72
Mike
Yeah. Right?

00:51:14.02
Bill
Um, and I've been to a lot of them in different places that I've gone. So, uh, and they're ah nice parking lots, you know, you can walk around. So I did, you know, I walked for, I don't know, probably 20, 25 minutes, whatever it was.

00:51:24.19
Bill
And I get back in the car and I'm just like, i'm I'm a little bit overheated and I'm not out of breath, but I'm like more. More out of breath than I usually am for walking that much.

00:51:32.49
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:51:34.01
Bill
And then I'm like, Jesus Christ. Then I looked it up because I never even thought about it. Two things I know, the wintertime, because I looked it up. um This winter, I'm not supposed to shovel. um you know They said you know exertion like that in the cold could actually have an issue with my with my stents.

00:51:48.40
Mike
Right. Mhm.

00:51:49.10
Bill
you know And they're like, if you if you do any shoveling, you shouldn't do. Basically, if you want to. Kind of like pushing along a broom or something like that.

00:51:55.29
Mike
Right.

00:51:55.37
Bill
And then part of me is just like, really? But I'm like, okay, fine. You know, I'm fine.

00:51:58.32
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

00:51:59.36
Bill
I'm going to listen to the professionals, you know?

00:52:01.13
Mike
Uh huh.

00:52:02.20
Bill
So I'm like, okay, so that's cold. you know And they're talking about that. The cold could be a shock to your system.

00:52:06.74
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:52:07.46
Bill
I'm like, what about the heat? So I look it up and they're like, yeah, yeah that that could be a problem too. When it's when it's that warm, um you know, just too much exertion. It's not that did you can't be out in the heat, but just got to be careful with, you know, with this, that sort of thing.

00:52:16.59
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:52:19.98
Bill
And what I was doing, I was doing my normal, you know, kind of keeping up a pace walk type of thing. I wasn't meandering when I was walking. I was walking like I would normally do because, you know, again, on purpose trying to get the heart points up.

00:52:26.30
Mike
Right.

00:52:30.18
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:52:31.32
Bill
So I'm like, okay, well, then I made that decision. I'm like, what I get here, I'm like, I'm... Fuck the hi fuck the hiking trails.

00:52:38.04
Mike
Yeah.

00:52:38.18
Bill
I'm going to go downtown. Even though I'm going to be outside, I can just i could be more meandering and stop in some place if I want to, which is which is what I ended up doing.

00:52:41.22
Mike
right Mm-hmm.

00:52:46.46
Bill
do You know what? And you've driven, obviously, you know into into Nashville before. and you know

00:52:50.96
Mike
Well, i I spent a day there once. There's a truck stop. right across from the football stadium which is right across the river from downtown so yeah i i took a 36 hour there one time and went and spent the day in downtown nashville so

00:52:58.21
Bill
Right.

00:53:08.28
Bill
Right.

00:53:08.69
Mike
I'm hung there.

00:53:09.12
Bill
no

00:53:09.88
Mike
I'm actually. been there.

00:53:12.83
Bill
oh Sorry about that.

00:53:13.78
Mike
That's alright.

00:53:14.51
Bill
I took a drink of coffee and then it kind of went down the wrong pipe there for a minute.

00:53:16.69
Mike
Hey.

00:53:17.34
Bill
so if i Sorry, I didn't mean to me to hack into my into my microphone.

00:53:21.27
Mike
ah Your drinking problem.

00:53:21.87
Bill
but God, I definitely have a drinking problem. um but so i That's what I was going to say, because when you if you came in from from the north, though, you're driving along, and it's just it's it's Tennessee.

00:53:34.34
Bill
There are nice highways, and it's hilly, and you're seeing this and that.

00:53:35.46
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:53:36.97
Bill
and Again, I love this area.

00:53:37.15
Mike
Right.

00:53:38.51
Bill
I love Tennessee and Arkansas and Missouri. They all have the same kind of look to me on the highways. um and i That's why I've kind of fallen in love with all these different areas. Kentucky, too, was just yeah be crazy beautiful to drive through.

00:53:47.88
Mike
Right Mm hmm.

00:53:50.21
Bill
But it's just like you come around the corner and all of a sudden you're like, hey, there's the city, you know?

00:53:53.79
Mike
Right? Yeah.

00:53:54.76
Bill
and um Same deal. you know I'm looking at all these things. I'm trying to figure out where to park. I ended up parking at the by the courthouse. It was like public squares where I parked.

00:54:03.70
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:54:04.21
Bill
And on the weekends, it's like $5 for all day. So I'm like, well, that's ah that's a fucking deal.

00:54:06.94
Mike
Mm-hmm Mm-hmm.

00:54:08.90
Bill
And then I was literally on the... In the the first picture I took, I was looking, I was across the river from the stadium. You know, so like right on that, like one of the main roads coming in that came across on the bridge, there's that.

00:54:15.45
Mike
Yeah.

00:54:20.73
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:54:21.17
Bill
And then I was, you know, it was able to walk down and no, here, here's a funny part too. I took two bottles of water with me. And I'm like, I'll take one.

00:54:26.61
Mike
Yeah.

00:54:27.80
Bill
That's usually what I do when I'm hiking. I'm like, I'll take one with me. And then by the time I get back, sometimes, yeah however long it is, I'll just. you know sometimes chug the last one. Got to rehydrate when I get back.

00:54:35.73
Mike
Yeah.

00:54:38.24
Bill
So literally, i'm I'm walking down. It's just down you know it's down the sidewalk and whatever, and I'm going to stop at this one place. I'm like, I could use a restroom here real quick before I do the pedestrian bridge, the whole thing. Because I had i had chat actually map out this thing for me about some of the key places I could go without literally walking like 10 miles.

00:54:54.84
Bill
you know

00:54:54.70
Mike
Right.

00:54:55.86
Bill
And um I get like i five, almost 10 minutes away and I'm. I'm sitting there like I... This person's walking towards me with like a Yeti. I'm like, I go to take a drink of my water and I got nothing in my hands.

00:55:06.60
Mike
Hehehehehehe.

00:55:07.32
Bill
Like, you fucking idiot. I'm like, yeah if I really get thirsty, I'll stop. Which I didn't. you know i didn't I wasn't like dying or anything like that.

00:55:13.44
Mike
Yeah.

00:55:14.39
Bill
By the time, as I was getting back to the parking garage, I'm like, yeah, I should have brought... bought brought water with me because I was, I felt a little bit dehydrated at that point.

00:55:20.07
Mike
mm-hmm

00:55:23.00
Bill
Not bad, but I mean, it was just, again, you know, so rookie mistake, but.

00:55:22.73
Mike
Yep.

00:55:27.19
Bill
um But, yeah, so i so I'm like, okay, I'll do that because my point was that worst-case scenario, if it if it gets too hot, I could sit in the shade for a minute. I could go walk in someplace, whatever the case is.

00:55:38.02
Bill
I don't have to be in the middle of, you know, some fucking woods on a hiking trail.

00:55:41.08
Mike
Right.

00:55:41.71
Bill
But, you know, so the did you do the pedestrian bridge that goes across?

00:55:45.33
Mike
Yeah, that's how I got into downtown.

00:55:47.62
Bill
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah, because if you're, yeah, from what, oh, I get it. So you were right by, on the other side by the stadium.

00:55:53.02
Mike
Yeah.

00:55:54.00
Bill
Oh, I got you. Okay. So yeah, you were across the river from where I was, where I parked. I got it.

00:55:58.32
Mike
Yeah.

00:55:58.68
Bill
Okay.

00:55:58.92
Mike
Yep.

00:55:59.88
Bill
and But, yeah, I mean, this pedestrian bridge, I mean, it's, you know, you just walk up. It's, I don't know, however many years. three four flights up and you get up there and it's just it's really fucking cool

00:56:08.73
Mike
Yep.

00:56:09.55
Bill
And they that was the first thing. Like, okay, walk down there, do that thing, get all the pictures, which I did. And, I mean, it's it's warm when you're up there to begin with.

00:56:16.93
Mike
Mm-hmm

00:56:16.78
Bill
But then it's like, oh, go down here, go down there. So I got to – and, once again, if somebody doesn't – Follow us on Instagram. i The pedestrian bridge, got to see the stadium.

00:56:27.33
Bill
It's the Cumberland River, I think that's what that is, if I'm not mistaken.

00:56:29.49
Mike
I believe so. i

00:56:30.51
Bill
Yeah. nice Nice big river that's just right in the middle of, you know, just like any other fucking town with a big river.

00:56:35.33
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

00:56:37.10
Bill
um you know but uh i get pictures of the skyline cool kind of cool buildings and skyline shit going on in there and then walk down and i'm trying to think what i when i walked to second i think it was the um oh yeah it's a country music Hall of Fame was there.

00:56:41.98
Mike
Yeah.

00:56:50.66
Mike
um hu

00:56:51.64
Bill
And then right across from there was this park where it had the um the the walk, the what they call the Walk of Fame.

00:56:57.70
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:56:58.07
Bill
You know, so all these different things. So I took some pictures of just, you know, different ones in there. And I mean, that was not not a huge deal, you know, like not not like a big event going on there. But I'm like, well, that's that's kind of cool.

00:57:06.27
Mike
Yeah.

00:57:08.18
Bill
But my point. To begin with, I'm like, I'm not going to spend my time. I don't want to go in place. I want to see things. I want to see as much as I can, even from the outside. Dawn and I did that in D .C.

00:57:17.78
Mike
right

00:57:19.12
Bill
before. We didn't actually go in all these places, but got to just walk the city and you know see all of them.

00:57:19.96
Mike
m Right.

00:57:24.53
Mike
Yeah.

00:57:24.84
Bill
So I went by the Ryman Theater, which was nice.

00:57:26.95
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:57:28.28
Bill
I ended up ah to the the district, which is kind of like the Beale Street of of Memphis.

00:57:31.98
Mike
Yeah.

00:57:33.31
Bill
And I mean, that was kind of cool. But let let me um let me go back to the Ryman real quick.

00:57:34.78
Mike
Yep.

00:57:36.63
Bill
So, um you know, again, I had chat GPT kind of map all this stuff out. And I was right in this main range. And I think I ended up walking. It was still five miles.

00:57:46.24
Mike
Yeah.

00:57:46.65
Bill
maybe four or five miles total.

00:57:47.64
Mike
Right?

00:57:48.63
Bill
which is fine. It was it was perfectly fine. It was no big deal. um But when i when I came up on the ride and I'm walking around and then I was kind of on the the back part of it. So you walk around the front where you got the sign.

00:57:57.22
Mike
huh

00:57:59.16
Bill
And as I walked around to the sign, there's this this guy and this lady. If I had to guess, they'd probably, I'd say late 30s, maybe early 40s, probably mid to late 30s.

00:58:07.54
Mike
<unk>

00:58:09.10
Bill
And she's she's got her purse down. On the step. And she's trying to set up her phone because they want to get a picture of themselves in front of the sign.

00:58:16.36
Mike
Yeah.

00:58:17.72
Bill
So she's doing this.

00:58:17.48
Mike
Right.

00:58:18.36
Bill
And i'm why I wasn't paying attention to what she was doing until the guy actually asked me to take the picture.

00:58:22.64
Mike
Mhm.

00:58:23.55
Bill
So he said he goes, He's like, honey, hang up.

00:58:27.61
Mike
Hehehehe.

00:58:27.90
Bill
He's like, do you mind taking a picture of us? I said, i said that's fine. He's like, she's trying to organize this.

00:58:31.11
Mike
Right.

00:58:32.34
Bill
Then I look at her purse, trying to do all this stuff. It would have been this up-angle type.

00:58:36.22
Mike
Mhm.

00:58:36.19
Bill
of It was would have been all fucked up. but So she you know she sets that all up and took a couple of pictures of them and gave it back to them. And they're like, oh, thank you very much. And I said, yeah, they didn't even steal your phone.

00:58:45.98
Mike
Hehehehehehehehe.

00:58:47.72
Bill
But he's he's like, yeah, he goes, ah she's like, yeah, i shes I think that only happens in Europe. I'm like, yeah, I'm sure it could happen here too.

00:58:53.48
Mike
Uh huh.

00:58:53.35
Bill
And then he's like, do you want me to take a picture of you? And I'm like, in my head, I'm like, I'm not giving you my fucking phone. I'm not giving anyone my fucking phone.

00:58:58.02
Mike
Right? Hehehehe.

00:59:00.14
Bill
But I said, no, I'm good. I'm good.

00:59:01.68
Mike
Yeah.

00:59:01.65
Bill
you know so i just i took a picture of the sign and then did that one and that's where i walked inside because i'm like i wonder if they have bottled water in there and Well, two things. When I got an early start, I left here.

00:59:13.15
Bill
at like 9 a .m., and I'm like, okay. I'm going to play this smart. I'm going to get a start. I know it's going to be hot, but I'm going to get a start. i I could be easily done and in out of there by noon. you know So I got shit to do on Sunday.

00:59:23.28
Mike
Right?

00:59:24.91
Bill
Anyhow, get everything set up here and blah, blah. And when I pulled into the into the parking or pulled into downtown right by the parking garage, it's fucking 95 degrees. so already it's it's 9 50 in the morning i'm like Yeah.

00:59:33.62
Mike
Yep.

00:59:37.29
Mike
Yep.

00:59:38.81
Bill
whatever, you know.

00:59:39.58
Mike
Hehehe.

00:59:40.53
Bill
so um So, again, did that, and then I walked up and down this, again, that district area. And, again, it's just, it was neat. The only the only difference between that, I don't know if in Memphis on Beale Street.

00:59:53.19
Bill
during the day it's open so cars can drive up and down.

00:59:55.85
Mike
ah

00:59:56.28
Bill
And Beale Street, I think, was... four blocks, maybe five as it thins out. And this area here is probably...

01:00:01.38
Mike
Yeah.

01:00:05.35
Bill
Ah. It's probably him. I'm thinking it probably is three long blocks.

01:00:09.45
Mike
All right

01:00:09.53
Bill
But, I mean, it's it's busy. There's really busy streets and stuff like that.

01:00:12.25
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:00:12.64
Bill
So, I don't know if they if they shut it down. But Beale Street, they actually block off later on in the day.

01:00:17.27
Mike
Hmm.

01:00:17.56
Bill
so When I went down there at night for dinner, they had... They had a... you know basically the barricades and whatever so you know people could just walk it you know which is kind of nice i don't know if they do that here but It's not just walking along and they're just everything's a fucking honky-tonk.

01:00:24.91
Mike
Right.

01:00:30.70
Bill
It's a bar and honky-tonk and ribs and in music.

01:00:32.31
Mike
Yep. Mm hmm.

01:00:33.54
Bill
and you know There's a little bit of that that was just like, this is just kind of nice. even though it was It was smoking fucking hot, you know?

01:00:39.35
Mike
Right

01:00:40.29
Bill
But I mean, I wasn't like walk long on goddamn. I mean granted it'd be better if it was middle of september and it was you know 70 degrees and a cool breeze or whatever but um it was fine it was nice you know um so i just did that kind of walked along and you know just people watching and it's just so funny too you see

01:00:46.43
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:00:49.29
Mike
Right.

01:00:52.29
Mike
Okay.

01:00:57.84
Bill
and I'm sure it's a lot of them are tourists because you can tell.

01:00:59.95
Mike
Mm hmm. Oh yeah.

01:00:59.90
Bill
You've got the chicks in there. The chick's got the cowboy hats and cowboy boots on.

01:01:04.83
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:01:05.22
Bill
They've got their short shorts or whatever, and I'm just like, Jesus Christ. You know, and then again, the people watching was even, it was kind of funny because half the time I'm just kind of just giggling to myself.

01:01:08.01
Mike
Yeah.

01:01:13.57
Bill
I'm like. You look good, but I'm like, as you could I can see what you're doing.

01:01:17.27
Mike
Right.

01:01:19.41
Bill
You're in Nashville, so it's like, yeah, do what you got to do in Nashville.

01:01:21.34
Mike
Yay.

01:01:22.59
Bill
but

01:01:22.47
Mike
Right.

01:01:23.75
Bill
So, um no, i had I had a nice time. I really, really did. I'm glad I i'm glad i went down there rather than you know doing the hiking trail.

01:01:26.54
Mike
Cool.

01:01:29.32
Bill
i

01:01:29.83
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:01:30.50
Bill
I really love um I do like I've been on hiking trails in Tennessee and I really, really enjoy them. But um I mean, it was ah i'm I'm glad I'm glad I went ahead and did that. So, oh.

01:01:40.91
Mike
Eh.

01:01:41.48
Bill
The other thing I was looking up, up I was trying to map out like how far we were from the airport and stuff like that in Austin, which is like, it's 45 minutes.

01:01:46.79
Mike
Yeah.

01:01:47.77
Bill
any Anywhere we want to go from where we are to get back into town to go, is it's 45 minutes, you know which I knew from the start.

01:01:51.23
Mike
Mhm. Right.

01:01:54.69
Bill
But then I mapped this one thing and it's like $2 .89. I'm like. Oh, fuck, there's tolls?

01:01:59.81
Mike
Uh huh.

01:02:00.36
Bill
in In Austin, there is.

01:02:01.54
Mike
Yeah.

01:02:02.43
Bill
So I look it up. I'm like, can you use an easy pass? They're like, no. So...

01:02:05.18
Mike
Yeah.

01:02:05.37
Bill
Bottom line, what I have to do, you could you could actually get one at the grocery store. I've got to go to this. Just, that it's, I don't know, I think 20 minutes south of where the...

01:02:16.11
Bill
Airbnb as there's a Walmart and an Aldi down there. And i can I'm going to go shopping down there.

01:02:18.82
Mike
Yeah.

01:02:21.41
Bill
And that's Georgetown, I think, is where it is, Georgetown, Texas. You know, so when I looked it up, there's a, whatever the grocery store is, HEB, something that you can go, I can go in there and I can get.

01:02:24.44
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:02:31.15
Bill
All you got to do is deposit like 20 bucks or something like that. So I'm going to actually buy a toll pass.

01:02:35.51
Mike
uh-huh

01:02:36.12
Bill
or get a toll pass. I don't think you have to pay for it. you just They just bill you for it, kind of like an I-pass is.

01:02:40.59
Mike
Right.

01:02:41.30
Bill
Because, I mean, you'll you'll pay. They said between 50 % to 60 % more if you have to. If you don't.

01:02:46.67
Mike
Yeah.

01:02:47.52
Bill
my plate.

01:02:47.49
Mike
Right.

01:02:48.08
Bill
And I'm like, well, fuck that.

01:02:48.79
Mike
Right.

01:02:49.26
Bill
So yeah, $2 .89 would end up being like a $6 toll.

01:02:52.80
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:02:52.78
Bill
You know? And I'm like, ah, fuck it. Let's go ahead and... get that so i gotta that's one thing i gotta do on saturday but um But no, I mean, it was nice. And I mean, it was I mean, I know we'll be in Austin probably two, three times, you know, during the time that we're there.

01:03:05.33
Mike
Right. Yeah.

01:03:06.64
Bill
um So, I mean, I think when, you know, that Sunday that I get there, I might I might actually go to a hiking trail rather than doing that. There's I don't think there's any reason for me to. going to austin because i'm guessing we're going to be down there so But I don't know.

01:03:16.55
Mike
Yeah. Right.

01:03:17.64
Bill
Who knows? Maybe I will. Maybe I will. I don't know.

01:03:19.27
Mike
Yeah.

01:03:20.34
Bill
Whatever I feel like doing.

01:03:20.30
Mike
Alright.

01:03:21.34
Bill
so

01:03:21.48
Mike
Exactly.

01:03:22.81
Bill
Hehehe.

01:03:22.77
Mike
We're free man. We can do whatever the fuck we want.

01:03:25.59
Bill
Yeah. And you know that that's the other thing too. And it it reminded me so much of when I was in. when I was in Memphis, you know, walking along in Nashville like that. Not not that anyone was. I mean, a lot of people were going in and out of these bars and and all that sort of stuff and, you know, hanging out, just sitting there.

01:03:35.73
Mike
Mm-hmm

01:03:38.66
Bill
And you could you could see, I mean, these bars, they weren't full, you know, but there was.

01:03:41.09
Mike
Right.

01:03:41.45
Bill
There's plenty of people in them, you know?

01:03:42.94
Mike
Yeah.

01:03:43.63
Bill
So, you know, people sitting there on a, you know, just a... I'm walking around just enjoying the, you know, it's hot. Yeah. But I mean, I'm enjoying the, the outside and, you know, we've talked about that before. I mean the, and I know we all did it.

01:03:55.08
Bill
you know But on ah on a beautiful day, you know youre sitting inside a you know some fucking bar.

01:03:58.86
Mike
Hehehehehehe.

01:03:59.97
Bill
You know, rather than getting out and trying to do something. I don't know, enjoyable, you know.

01:04:02.14
Mike
Yep.

01:04:03.80
Bill
but

01:04:03.78
Mike
Yeah. Exactly.

01:04:05.76
Bill
Freedom, like you said, right?

01:04:06.81
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:04:08.68
Bill
All right, so any any other questions? You got questions for me about Nashville, or are you good?

01:04:11.99
Mike
No, no. I mean, yeah, I saw you went by the Johnny Cash Museum. You didn't go in?

01:04:17.05
Bill
Yeah, no, I didn't. I didn't because same same thing.

01:04:18.42
Mike
Rare.

01:04:19.31
Bill
You know, I figured that if one way or the other, sooner or later, so something's going to happen here, you know, and I'll be down here again. things Things I can see.

01:04:25.28
Mike
Right.

01:04:26.20
Bill
I mean, I can go into these places I'd like to do.

01:04:26.97
Mike
Yeah.

01:04:28.21
Bill
I would love to go to something like at the Ryman Theater. I'd love to go up to go see the Country Music Museum.

01:04:31.18
Mike
Yeah.

01:04:33.32
Bill
I'm not a huge country music fan at all, like ever, you know.

01:04:34.74
Mike
Right. Right. mm-hmm

01:04:37.13
Bill
A couple of songs I like. My dad was huge into country music. The Johnny Cash, I know you said that's a great thing to go into.

01:04:43.01
Mike
Yeah.

01:04:43.72
Bill
um All these different things I'd love to do, but I'm like... Sooner or later we'll have we'll have time and I can i can do it then.

01:04:48.54
Mike
Right?

01:04:49.04
Bill
you know

01:04:48.76
Mike
Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.

01:04:51.28
Bill
But but yeah' yeah, I saw that right away. I'm like, oh, there it is. So yeah, I got i got a picture of that. But all of it, all of this shit was just fucking cool. It's just really, really fucking cool.

01:04:58.97
Mike
Yeah. yeah

01:05:00.48
Bill
you know

01:05:00.95
Mike
Absolutely. Yeah.

01:05:03.53
Bill
But yeah.

01:05:03.33
Mike
Ernest Tubbs record shop. Did you go in there?

01:05:06.03
Bill
No, I didn't I i did not I went into one place, and that was into the r into the Ryman Theater.

01:05:10.69
Mike
Alright.

01:05:11.26
Bill
walked in there trying to get a, or I was going to see if I could get a bottle of water.

01:05:14.33
Mike
Alright.

01:05:14.90
Bill
i even know if i went by that um oh shirley said that there was another there was a record store that um That I should have went to and what did she say? I'm like I didn't I told her the same thing I'm like I didn't go into anything

01:05:26.44
Mike
Yeah. Alright.

01:05:28.45
Bill
But it was, what is it, Ernest Tubbs?

01:05:29.96
Mike
Yeah.

01:05:30.74
Bill
Hmm.

01:05:31.29
Mike
Yeah, and and they did they broadcast the radio show out of there there. They have live music in the back. It's pretty cool. It's like not huge or anything, but yeah. You know, I got a loving brothers t-shirt there.

01:05:41.52
Mike
Satan is real, you know.

01:05:42.79
Bill
Oh really?

01:05:43.30
Mike
uh yeah Yeah.

01:05:44.33
Bill
okay Yeah, and that's that's the thing. you know for the time and I got down there at 10 o 'clock, and I think I was there. i I probably spent two, three hours, probably two and a half, three hours.

01:05:55.27
Bill
total.

01:05:55.25
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

01:05:56.19
Bill
you know, down there. And, and that was just, you know, kind of walking around and eyeballing stuff, you know, I mean, I could easily see, I mean, you could spend days down there going into all the stuff and I would, I would love to.

01:05:57.24
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:05:59.99
Mike
Yep.

01:06:03.45
Mike
Oh yeah. Right.

01:06:06.52
Bill
absolutely love to at some point.

01:06:06.78
Mike
Yeah.

01:06:08.39
Bill
you know um but yeah the uh the short story on that thing so that jason that realtor that i had ended up getting

01:06:08.58
Mike
Cool.

01:06:15.16
Bill
getting put in touch with.

01:06:16.09
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:06:16.49
Bill
um I've talked to him back and forth this week. and the i mean He had a couple of you know possible ideas for us. No actual properties that he's gotten hold of yet. He said the he goes, it's a weird part. so Nashville, kind of like Austin and some of these other cities, just a very short story.

01:06:31.01
Bill
Some of them... It's not that there aren't short-term rentals available. you know But certain ones, you know that they're only good for 30 days, or the HOA you've got to go along with this, certain restrictions.

01:06:35.01
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:06:41.32
Bill
So that's what he's looking for, the the kind of the...

01:06:41.05
Mike
Right.

01:06:43.62
Bill
the the the right pricing for us, but also making sure it's this and that.

01:06:47.68
Mike
Yeah.

01:06:48.28
Bill
So trying to fit that in.

01:06:48.23
Mike
Right.

01:06:49.29
Bill
He's like, he goes, the inventory will open up. He goes, we'll just keep an eye on it.

01:06:52.57
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:06:52.97
Bill
He said, we might just have to wait a little bit. He found one that was actually really cool looking, a little bit more than what we had originally wanted. But he's like, he goes, I'll reach out if they get back to me.

01:06:59.00
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:07:00.83
Bill
And I said, you know, if they get back to you, then let's see what they're willing to do. And I'll, you know, Kathy and I can talk about it.

01:07:06.13
Mike
Right.

01:07:06.52
Bill
um Because the... The buy-in would have been more. um

01:07:10.84
Mike
Right.

01:07:11.80
Bill
almost and probably twice as much as what the buy-in would have been on one of the other ones we were looking at or the other model we were looking at type of thing.

01:07:16.45
Mike
Mm hmm. Right.

01:07:19.50
Bill
But the the return, the the actual revenue.

01:07:22.46
Mike
Mhm.

01:07:23.16
Bill
easily paid for itself i'd be without without a problem so you know was Trying to figure out where to line it up there.

01:07:24.34
Mike
Sure. Right.

01:07:28.27
Bill
But, yeah, I'll tell you, i mean other than that, you know I'm just just here here in Clarksville in this you know in the in the in the half hood.

01:07:33.21
Mike
Hmm.

01:07:34.38
Bill
and

01:07:35.50
Mike
He he he he he.

01:07:36.29
Bill
But I am. I have no regrets whatsoever going down there. I'm really, really, really glad I did, and I just i can't wait until.

01:07:41.04
Mike
Cool.

01:07:42.91
Bill
Yeah, get an opportunity to explore more. you could Shit, you could spend all fucking day down there.

01:07:45.09
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

01:07:48.32
Bill
All day, but yeah, it was cool. so

01:07:50.57
Mike
Good.

01:07:51.54
Bill
All right. um the ah You know, let's let's talk about this other podcast that I that i ran across.

01:07:57.01
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:07:58.58
Bill
Um... You know, I'm not going to mention the name of it yet because I'm i'm going to decide if I want to rant about something with them first.

01:08:03.81
Mike
Okay.

01:08:06.04
Bill
Well, and I don't. there's It's not fair. you know just it just isn't It just isn't fair.

01:08:09.27
Mike
Alright.

01:08:09.88
Bill
They haven't done anything to us. and

01:08:11.71
Mike
Yet.

01:08:12.68
Bill
you know You know what I mean? Yeah, but you know what I mean.

01:08:14.33
Mike
Right?

01:08:15.49
Bill
I mean, it part of me is like ah there's a couple of things that are really funny and I want to share it, but I'm like, I don't need i don't need to fucking.

01:08:19.31
Mike
Mhm.

01:08:22.51
Bill
Good. They're doing their thing, and that's their thing.

01:08:24.59
Mike
Right. Okay.

01:08:25.78
Bill
so the way that i ran across it so on in and you don't have you don't have spotify but um

01:08:30.64
Mike
Mm, I do.

01:08:32.01
Bill
Oh, you do? what you do you know do you ever go Do you see how how it splits it up between where you can click on the tab that says music or podcast or whatever?

01:08:38.38
Mike
Yeah.

01:08:39.21
Bill
Oh, okay. I just didn't know how much time you spent.

01:08:40.96
Mike
i don't i don't I mean, you know, I don't live in a cave.

01:08:41.15
Bill
the i

01:08:43.17
Mike
i don't Yeah, I don't live on it or anything, but I've been there.

01:08:47.04
Bill
Well, in quite honestly, i thought I really, really thought that when you listen to stuff, you listen to... I heart. i didn't I didn't think you ever...

01:08:54.13
Mike
Hmm. Psalm.

01:08:55.62
Bill
i didn't think he went into spotify so that's my my that's my fault

01:08:57.33
Mike
no yeah no i do yeah for yeah i mean hell i used to um well marin had his own app but um

01:09:02.33
Bill
Right.

01:09:03.15
Mike
Yeah, you know, and and then um I think something screwy went with it. and And the podcast, the Michael Mara podcast I listened to, um their app crapped out. because long story but anyway so i've been going to spotify for them and Yeah, yeah, you know, I do occasionally.

01:09:17.18
Bill
Okay.

01:09:19.100
Bill
Well, and again, i wasn't you know i don't I don't make fun of you with that stuff. I just it' well i just didn't think you went on there, so I was going to explain something you already know about the tab.

01:09:23.09
Mike
Right. Right.

01:09:26.35
Mike
Yeah.

01:09:27.06
Bill
so but

01:09:27.57
Mike
Yes.

01:09:28.31
Bill
I'm in there all the time in all these different podcasts.

01:09:30.28
Mike
Mhm.

01:09:30.60
Bill
So what it does, the same thing with with anything else, Netflix or any of these streaming services, it's going to give you suggestions.

01:09:35.11
Mike
Right?

01:09:36.62
Bill
So I get a lot of sober podcast suggestions, which I don't pay attention to a lot because there's the things I listen to.

01:09:38.89
Mike
Mm hmm. Right. Right.

01:09:42.92
Bill
But I was looking for something different. And I'm scrolling through and I come across this podcast and the episode. Well, first of all, they're they're obviously audio. Not obviously they are audio because that's where I listen to them on Spotify.

01:09:54.60
Bill
But um they're mainly like a YouTube thing. There's four guys and they've been sober for different areas of time, I think.

01:09:57.83
Mike
Right.

01:10:01.06
Bill
Um, maybe between seven in probably 12 or 13 years.

01:10:06.85
Mike
Okay.

01:10:07.84
Bill
somewhere in that range, I think, with with the the four of them with within that range.

01:10:09.32
Mike
Bye. Meh.

01:10:11.81
Bill
Let's get to call it an average of 10 years sober, somewhere in that range.

01:10:14.05
Mike
uha

01:10:15.11
Bill
um you know It sounds like they got good, solid sobriety. They're AA guys um and all that sort of thing. And what caught my eye was the the title of the podcast was, Does AA Actually Work?

01:10:26.28
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:10:26.65
Bill
And I'm like, well, let's see what this shit's all about.

01:10:28.79
Mike
Right.

01:10:29.79
Bill
Because this is before I even had listened to even a word of the of the podcast.

01:10:33.36
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:10:34.03
Bill
um so I'm not going to say which which way they leaned, okay, to begin with.

01:10:38.19
Mike
Okay.

01:10:38.87
Bill
but If you had to, I wanted to ask you kind of a... in a general sense that they are aa guys you know so um i already gave that part away um but

01:10:43.97
Mike
<unk> Okay? Right.

01:10:48.96
Bill
you know they When they were talking about it to begin with, as far as does it work, what do you think, or have you ever run across um you know any mindset or and any ideas in your mind why people might...

01:10:59.88
Bill
think it doesn't work or or things like this. We've run across plenty of people that's like, I tried it out and it doesn't work.

01:11:03.74
Mike
ah

01:11:05.58
Bill
so

01:11:05.73
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:11:06.42
Bill
What are your thoughts on that, like what people have said or what you've heard?

01:11:09.16
Mike
I mean, all kinds of stuff, you know. Yeah, you know, it's the the whole God thing a lot. um ah yeah Yeah, you know. ah I mean, it keeps keeps making me think about alcohol.

01:11:22.23
Mike
That's a good one.

01:11:22.45
Bill
i I don't know if I've ever heard that.

01:11:23.52
Mike
Um, Really?

01:11:26.26
Bill
yeah I don't think so.

01:11:26.61
Mike
ya Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:11:27.19
Bill
I don't think so.

01:11:28.60
Mike
You know, go to the meeting and all they're talking about is booze, man. And said all I can think about, too, it makes me want to drink. um Hmm. Um... Ah, shit. I don't know.

01:11:39.16
Mike
Yeah. I mean, you know, there's there's you can nitpick anything. You know, i I could sit in a fucking room right now and and listen to, you know, an AA meeting and go, oh, yeah, this is wrong and this is wrong and this is wrong.

01:11:42.80
Bill
Right.

01:11:50.89
Mike
You know, I i choose not to do that.

01:11:54.04
Bill
Right.

01:11:54.92
Mike
But yeah. Anybody can do that.

01:11:57.19
Bill
Yeah, and it was just it was interesting because I was yeah, I Because at the time, again, and ah I... Like I said, kind of gave it away when I said they were AA guys. I shouldn't have said that to begin with, but um I forgot that I did want to tell you that.

01:12:04.74
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:12:08.42
Bill
It was in parentheses. Don't say which way they leaned. I'm like, God damn it.

01:12:11.26
Mike
it Hehehehe.

01:12:13.29
Bill
So to put that first, see again. folks everyone out there this is the thing i write myself notes but i put them in the wrong order

01:12:15.37
Mike
Mmm.

01:12:20.11
Bill
But so so they did. They started talking about that, you know, as far as the, um you know, the the nitpicking sometimes people, people going to a bad meeting, you know, people being treated like shit in their minds and whatever the case is.

01:12:26.18
Mike
oh Right. Sure. Mm hmm.

01:12:32.40
Bill
And one of the things that they were talking about, which I thought was interesting. So and this is one thing that I think really lines up with what our experience was in in Cleveland is that. Every one of them. you know we're we're dual addicted you know they probably lean more on the drug side of things but all of them drank at one point so you know

01:12:47.02
Mike
Yeah. Sure.

01:12:50.19
Bill
that was one of the things that you know when you go into into these meetings every single one of them said they ran across a meeting right right off the bat it's like you know we don't talk about drugs you know the like the one guy said he accidentally introduced himself as an addict once and God.

01:12:53.25
Mike
Hmm.

01:12:58.91
Mike
ah

01:13:02.51
Mike
Mmm.

01:13:04.57
Bill
got these horrible looks from people, and i'm just I'm just fucking laughing because I remember all of it, you know?

01:13:06.46
Mike
Right. Mm hmm. Right.

01:13:11.25
Bill
um you know So they're going through all that stuff. they're like yeah These days, a lot of things have loosened up, which, again, I agree with. I know some meetings are still the way that they are, like we were talking about to begin with.

01:13:19.24
Mike
Mhm.

01:13:19.88
Bill
but The other thing that was kind of interesting, they said that, um you know, the

01:13:20.07
Mike
Right.

01:13:24.63
Bill
They said that... the The key here, and I've never really heard it put this way, but it's kind of like that it works if you work at mentality, is that you know they're like, okay, did AA not work for you or did you not give it an opportunity to?

01:13:30.61
Mike
Yeah.

01:13:36.05
Bill
you know

01:13:36.14
Mike
Yeah.

01:13:37.50
Bill
And I'm like, well, that's kind of interesting.

01:13:38.85
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:13:38.76
Bill
So, you know, because going going at it that way, okay, just because you walked into ah into a meeting and, you know, somebody was a dick to you or had this way, like we always say, you know, find another meeting.

01:13:43.87
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:13:46.51
Mike
Yeah. Sure.

01:13:48.76
Bill
Find one that fits.

01:13:49.00
Mike
Yeah.

01:13:50.02
Bill
You know, don't compare yourself. Don't don't do whatever. But some people are just like, you know, fuck this. I'm not going to go back, you know.

01:13:55.03
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:13:55.82
Bill
They mentioned the cult thing, which I laughed about because.

01:13:58.30
Mike
Right.

01:13:58.48
Bill
you know That's, again, obviously what what a lot of people say. um you know But they were also talking about just just in general that the the expectations that people had when they...

01:14:01.88
Mike
Sure.

01:14:08.10
Mike
Hmm.

01:14:08.68
Bill
you know when they walked in into a meeting you know about what they what they thought they were going to get And they're like they're like, you know, some people go in, you know, with the with the wrong mindset.

01:14:10.72
Mike
Right.

01:14:13.56
Mike
Mm-hmm

01:14:17.09
Bill
They think this. They're not going to. you know show you how to drink. you know, normally or whatever the case is.

01:14:20.95
Mike
Right. yeah yeah Yeah, you're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Well, and again, you know, I mean, yeah for me, I mean, you know, I... I i say this to my lead most of the time, you know, I expected you people to.

01:14:32.84
Mike
game. Get me sober.

01:14:33.63
Bill
Right, yeah.

01:14:34.50
Mike
Alright. Yeah, you know, it doesn't fucking work that way.

01:14:35.22
Bill
Eh.

01:14:38.09
Mike
You know, nobody's going to do anything for you. You got to do the fucking work. Yeah.

01:14:42.31
Bill
Right.

01:14:42.70
Mike
right but yeah of course i mean we're alcoholics we're selfish and self-centered and we're takers and you know yeah you walk in and you get me sober Fuck you.

01:14:51.37
Bill
Right?

01:14:52.32
Mike
It's not going to happen.

01:14:54.33
Bill
Right. So... And exactly. So they're, so they're going through all that. And again, there's four of them. It's, it's, ah it's structured. They handle it well. They were easy enough to listen to. They're like 30 minute episodes for the most part, a little bit longer, you know, sometimes 40, maybe 45.

01:15:02.18
Mike
Mhm.

01:15:06.80
Bill
And I listened to over a few days, I listened to a handful episodes. I'm like, I just don't know if I could listen to this anymore. And I'll tell you why now.

01:15:13.11
Mike
Right.

01:15:13.43
Bill
you know and This is the reason I didn't want to.

01:15:13.93
Mike
Yeah.

01:15:15.60
Bill
I'm not going to completely shit on them, but you know I just don't.

01:15:17.04
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:15:19.59
Bill
The the problem in... here's the problem kind of also what we were talking about to begin with it. And it's kind of funny that that reading that you picked tied into this a little bit or ties into a little bit.

01:15:27.14
Mike
Well... Uh huh.

01:15:29.97
Bill
Is that when you said it's going to piss some people off and you start reading it, I thought about this podcast. you know.

01:15:34.48
Mike
Yes.

01:15:35.32
Bill
And I had it written down anyhow to talk about.

01:15:37.33
Mike
Mhm. huh

01:15:37.84
Bill
But it still made me think about it because... They are, they're AA guys, which is fine.

01:15:42.96
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:15:43.08
Bill
They got some time under the belt, which is perfect.

01:15:45.26
Mike
Yeah.

01:15:44.98
Bill
They do their meetings to do the things like that. but um i thought about it after again listening to a handful of episodes

01:15:52.49
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:15:52.83
Bill
Unless I'm mistaken. I don't think they talked about any other form of recovery, even like... and Like somebody halfway mentioned something. you know?

01:16:01.07
Mike
Right.

01:16:02.00
Bill
So it was like, AA is the is the only way, and that's kind of like what this podcast is, kind of that, you know, what what people tell us that we're not.

01:16:04.86
Mike
Mmm. Mm hmm.

01:16:09.73
Bill
We're not preaching. We're not saying this is the only way. You know, thankfully, even to begin with, what we didn't know.

01:16:12.05
Mike
Right.

01:16:14.63
Mike
ah Right.

01:16:14.99
Bill
anything else. you know we didn't go into this thing trying to be preachy we didn't even know and again if if you're a new listener we didn't even know if we were going to be we hadn't even talked about well anything You know.

01:16:19.69
Mike
No.

01:16:26.75
Mike
Yeah.

01:16:27.88
Bill
We had no plan whatsoever, but we certainly didn't think, are we going to be AA guys or are we going to not? Are we going to talk about this or we not?

01:16:32.91
Mike
Mm.

01:16:34.07
Bill
The only thing we made clear after a few episodes that we were not an AA-sanctioned podcast, but that's how we got sober.

01:16:38.94
Mike
Sure. Yeah.

01:16:40.40
Bill
We're not going to tell you. We're going to be opinionated. Yeah, um but we're not going to tell you what the fuck to do.

01:16:42.57
Mike
Yeah, well yeah.

01:16:44.41
Bill
You know?

01:16:44.86
Mike
No. Meh. Right.

01:16:47.56
Bill
so A couple of things that they said, you know, they were talking about, they were talking about relapse and what brings it up. So I listened to that episode and, you know, they were talking about the the number one thing they said is like, you know, people stopped.

01:16:53.38
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:16:58.18
Bill
And I was like.

01:16:58.49
Mike
Right.

01:16:59.25
Bill
Fucking A-right. that's what That's what my friend Mike says all the time.

01:17:00.33
Mike
Right. Heh heh heh heh heh heh.

01:17:04.09
Bill
And they said they stopped talking to their group. They said, everything we talk about, stop going to meetings, stop praying, stop doing whatever.

01:17:08.31
Mike
There. Mm hmm. Yeah.

01:17:12.72
Bill
But then they then they said something like, well, you realize that the most critical meeting or the the most important one or the worst one meeting that you that you miss is going to be that first one. Because then you're going to miss another one. Then you're going to give yourself, well, I'll go tomorrow. That's the worst thing you could ever say. And all these different things are like, you know, this whole thing, like if you.

01:17:31.60
Bill
Really, if you if you stop and you reduce your meetings, you don't do this, then you're fucking done.

01:17:34.82
Mike
Nah. Nah.

01:17:36.13
Bill
you know? And then I'm like, i'm like okay.

01:17:37.89
Mike
Basement dwellers.

01:17:39.19
Bill
Right.

01:17:39.21
Mike
Gotcha.

01:17:40.05
Bill
Right.

01:17:39.72
Mike
Yep.

01:17:40.88
Bill
And so I start, I start listening to this more, more and more. And that's what they're talking about is that everything is.

01:17:45.37
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:17:47.05
Bill
They they became... The more I listened to it, it just became more of um you need to do it this way. This podcast is about this.

01:17:54.83
Mike
Uh huh.

01:17:55.44
Bill
You need to do it this way. And this is the way.

01:17:57.04
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm

01:17:57.74
Bill
that you need to get sober and stay sober, and that's it.

01:18:00.80
Mike
Uh huh. Okay.

01:18:01.70
Bill
you know And I'm like, I can't listen to that. you know And I.

01:18:03.94
Mike
Yeah, right, yeah.

01:18:04.92
Bill
I don't want to. I don't want to hear just one opinion. And that's why, like, you know, not that...

01:18:07.99
Mike
Right.

01:18:09.17
Bill
a This is not a ah political statement when it comes down to to politics.

01:18:12.05
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:18:14.39
Bill
I don't have a side. i I'm not a Republican.

01:18:15.97
Mike
Right.

01:18:17.17
Bill
I'm not a Democrat.

01:18:18.08
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:18:18.51
Bill
What I what i do... when I vote. when these elections come around is I do a little bit of research.

01:18:22.71
Mike
Uh huh. Yo.

01:18:24.68
Bill
And I end up choosing a candidate that fits what I feel.

01:18:27.63
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:18:27.38
Bill
Now, um i there are certain people that like this, you know, when when Hillary and Trump were running, I'm like, i'm like I can't.

01:18:32.55
Mike
Right. Yeah.

01:18:34.68
Bill
I'm like, I'm. I don't care who the independent is. I'm voting for the independent. I can't because I don't like either one of those.

01:18:38.07
Mike
Right. Yeah. Mm hmm.

01:18:40.46
Bill
I don't like what they stand for. I can't.

01:18:42.64
Mike
Right.

01:18:42.78
Bill
you know But there's always that third party. and involved You're throwing away your vote.

01:18:45.43
Mike
Yeah.

01:18:46.46
Bill
No, I'm fucking not.

01:18:46.81
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:18:47.56
Bill
I'm exercising my right to make a choice.

01:18:47.85
Mike
Right. Uh huh.

01:18:49.84
Bill
you know So fuck you if you don't like it. I don't give a fuck.

01:18:51.87
Mike
That's right.

01:18:52.47
Bill
you know?

01:18:52.68
Mike
Yep.

01:18:53.52
Bill
So so that that's kind of what that it got into. Then, then.

01:18:57.18
Mike
Hmm?

01:18:57.54
Bill
they start going into all this stuff about so they're they're completely anti-alcohol too

01:19:01.57
Mike
Okay.

01:19:02.20
Bill
It's fine. Okay. um

01:19:03.45
Mike
Yeah.

01:19:04.33
Bill
Here's the thing. When I see, and you and I talked about this, that, well, first of all, Mike. Tell me.

01:19:10.34
Mike
Hmm.

01:19:10.39
Bill
And tell our listeners out there, what does the big book say about about how we should feel about people who could drink normally?

01:19:16.28
Mike
Um... They're fine.

01:19:20.48
Bill
Huh.

01:19:20.31
Mike
Yeah. you know right yeah and it again none of our fucking business you know and Yeah, exactly. i would People that can drink normally.

01:19:29.62
Bill
Hehehe.

01:19:30.78
Mike
Well, I... They're people that can drink normally. Good for them.

01:19:34.31
Bill
Right.

01:19:34.78
Mike
Yeah.

01:19:35.64
Bill
But it says that

01:19:35.65
Mike
It's got to do with me.

01:19:37.20
Bill
It says that in in the big book of Alcoholics Anonymous, I believe, right? That we shouldn't we shouldn't be judgmental with all that stuff, right?

01:19:42.95
Mike
Yeah, right. Yeah, exactly. And we're and we're not supposed to be anti-alcohol.

01:19:46.96
Bill
Right. right

01:19:47.43
Mike
yeah Yeah, that is definitely in the big book. Yeah, the you know the founders. did their Hmm. their heaviest drinking when it was illegal in this country.

01:19:57.86
Bill
Right.

01:19:58.26
Mike
It was called Prohibition, and it was... By law, they could not buy and consume alcohol. And they did. He he he he he he he he yeah alcohol is not bad alcohol is just a symptom

01:20:08.19
Bill
Right. Right. Right.

01:20:14.80
Mike
Read that somewhere, too.

01:20:14.98
Bill
Right. So, cause they went a along to this thing, like one of the guys that does his own videos and I guess whatever, they played it and they're like, they're like, so.

01:20:22.46
Mike
Yeah.

01:20:24.62
Bill
if If somebody told you today that if you if you ate the whatever it was, the sandwich.

01:20:28.40
Mike
Hmm. Yes.

01:20:29.47
Bill
you know it could it could cause cancer and it could cause this and all the different things that you know that alcohol does you know would you still eat that sandwich and i'm just like okay

01:20:32.27
Mike
Uh huh. Yes. Mm-hmm

01:20:37.71
Bill
And then they're like they're like, yeah, all these people know.

01:20:37.97
Mike
right

01:20:40.36
Bill
Everyone knows.

01:20:41.33
Mike
Hmm.

01:20:41.26
Bill
every If they do this and they do that. OK, I get it. You know, there there's not. There's no... positive benefit to drinking an alcoholic beverage. That's medically and it's...

01:20:52.65
Mike
Hmm.

01:20:52.91
Bill
It's it's a medical fact, okay?

01:20:54.27
Mike
Sure.

01:20:55.12
Bill
there's it's It's not like, okay, that's a it's going to help. increase something it used to even be the red wine thing supposedly that's not even the thing anymore But who gives a fuck, you know?

01:21:00.79
Mike
Mhm. Right. Yeah.

01:21:05.02
Bill
the the And then they're talking about they're talking about like McDonald's.

01:21:09.39
Mike
Mhm.

01:21:10.40
Bill
And they're talking about, you know, yeah, every once in a while, you know, so they're talking about things that they that they do that maybe they shouldn't have. And they're talking about, yeah, go I'll go.

01:21:15.39
Mike
you're Right.

01:21:16.71
Bill
Yeah, we'll go to McDonald's every once in a while.

01:21:18.25
Mike
Sure.

01:21:18.51
Bill
yeah I don't do it all the time. but And I'm like.

01:21:20.73
Mike
um

01:21:21.28
Bill
That's fucking hypocritical. You know?

01:21:22.61
Mike
Yes, it is

01:21:23.90
Bill
because McDonald's is not good for you, okay?

01:21:25.92
Mike
No.

01:21:26.20
Bill
But then they talk about all these other, they're getting on one of the guys because he vapes. They're like, so you're telling me you want to live a longer life, you wanted you do all these things to make your life better, and you're vaping.

01:21:30.45
Mike
Hmm.

01:21:34.62
Mike
uh-huh Yeah.

01:21:36.33
Bill
And like he's vaping apparently while while they're doing this stuff.

01:21:38.80
Mike
Yeah.

01:21:38.76
Bill
And so now they're shaming him. for for vaping not not like being mean to him but still shaming him you know

01:21:41.15
Mike
Jesus. Mm hmm. yeah, yeah.

01:21:46.43
Bill
And then then they're you know so they're talking about um in all these different things, whether it be whether it be smoking, um vaping.

01:21:52.70
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:21:52.55
Bill
drinking all these different things you're like all these people know these things are bad for them but they still do them and i'm like jesus fucking christ okay so yes

01:21:59.07
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

01:22:01.90
Bill
I mean...

01:22:01.86
Mike
Right. They do.

01:22:02.76
Bill
Yeah.

01:22:02.78
Mike
Yes.

01:22:03.26
Bill
Yes

01:22:04.21
Mike
Right. And?

01:22:06.39
Bill
I... I know, and this is...

01:22:07.59
Mike
Right.

01:22:07.79
Bill
so like

01:22:07.76
Mike
I do all kinds of things that are bad for me. So fucking what? You know, ah but. when it comes to the drugs and the alcohol, I have this disease. I have an allergy. I have my fucking brain works differently than a normal person when I put this shit in me.

01:22:20.14
Bill
Hmm.

01:22:23.13
Mike
And yeah, that's the difference. you know, right.

01:22:26.58
Bill
Right.

01:22:27.08
Mike
I mean, i fucking go to McDonald's and get a hamburger. I'm not going to, oh my God, I need another one right now. I need another one after that.

01:22:34.83
Bill
Right.

01:22:35.90
Mike
Okay, I don't have any money left. Well, there's an old lady over there. She's got a purse on her. I'm going to go over there and beat her up and take her purse so I can get another fucking hamburger. That's not going to happen.

01:22:46.32
Bill
Right.

01:22:46.39
Mike
Heroin! I might go beat up that old lady and get some more smack.

01:22:50.75
Bill
Heh heh heh heh heh Yeah. Yeah, I know I know So it was – they're just – it it turned to It turned out to be very...

01:23:01.81
Bill
um Just very hypocritical, I think, with you know with that thing.

01:23:04.48
Mike
who

01:23:06.09
Bill
And that's why I'm like, i can't I just can't listen to it anymore.

01:23:08.25
Mike
I wonder who they voted for

01:23:10.05
Bill
yeah Right.

01:23:10.97
Mike
Nope, don't say anything.

01:23:13.14
Bill
Right. um you know but But the thing of it is, i'm just like I'm like, okay. And you know what? I i eat i eat ice cream every night.

01:23:21.31
Mike
Yeah.

01:23:21.42
Bill
there's there's no There's no health benefit to me eating a fucking drumstick every night.

01:23:24.40
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:23:25.48
Bill
I know for a fucking fact there's not.

01:23:26.73
Mike
Right. Of course.

01:23:27.62
Bill
i I don't drink that much soda anymore. During the week, I drink, you know, two cans.

01:23:29.85
Mike
Uh huh.

01:23:31.64
Bill
I usually drink one for lunch and I drink one at night. You know, so I i drink tea for dinner and I drink, yeah.

01:23:34.16
Mike
Yeah.

01:23:36.60
Bill
So I drink God knows how much fucking coffee. I know that's not good for me.

01:23:39.25
Mike
Mm hmm. mm-hmm

01:23:40.81
Bill
you know But I still do it.

01:23:41.96
Mike
Right.

01:23:42.24
Bill
um and i But I i did. you know i went here's Here's the thing, and here's my justification. I said it right after this whole fucking heart attack.

01:23:48.78
Mike
Mhm.

01:23:49.30
Bill
you know i'd like oh my diet and everything like that everyone's telling me everything's fine

01:23:52.93
Mike
Yeah.

01:23:53.40
Bill
I don't have to change anything. I can vary a little bit in there, but I don't fuck around with my diet too much. Good thing was that. a Yes, I quit vaping because I should.

01:24:02.16
Mike
Right.

01:24:02.47
Bill
you know because I know what that does to obviously the hearts and the arteries and blah, blah, blah.

01:24:05.83
Mike
Yeah.

01:24:06.48
Bill
you know but They gave me coffee in the hospital.

01:24:09.53
Mike
Yeah, of course.

01:24:10.61
Bill
And then I'm like, well.

01:24:12.61
Mike
Hehehehehehehehe.

01:24:13.53
Bill
That's the biggest fucking cosign ever because when when she's like you know she brought me breakfast the first morning when I was there for the first procedure, she's like, do you want some coffee?

01:24:18.13
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:24:20.42
Bill
I'm like, I can't have coffee. She's like, oh, yeah, you can have coffee.

01:24:22.61
Mike
Yeah.

01:24:23.13
Bill
I said, keep it coming, man.

01:24:24.51
Mike
Right.

01:24:24.49
Bill
and it was It was the best fucking coffee I'd ever had in my life.

01:24:27.77
Mike
Uh-huh

01:24:27.92
Bill
you know And it wasn't, but it was.

01:24:29.52
Mike
Of course. Right. Yeah.

01:24:32.08
Bill
You know, so, I mean, I haven't done anything. I haven't tried to cut down.

01:24:35.20
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:24:34.83
Bill
In my head, I'm like, yeah, maybe I'll do half caff and cut down my coffee.

01:24:39.38
Mike
Yeah.

01:24:40.63
Bill
you know but um i don't know it's just it's the the thing of it is that just that the more and more i thought about it more and more i listened um i thought that a couple of their episodes i thought were interesting i'm a great conversation just a few guys that were they've known each other their friends and you know just as this camaraderie that they had but then i'm like ah you know just Start a Pete.

01:24:52.19
Mike
Yeah. Sure.

01:24:59.88
Bill
pay attention to it that like this is the only way you know and they're young guys probably in their in their mid to late 30s maybe early 40s or something like that but I mean again extremely set in their ways you know with that sort of thing

01:25:00.96
Mike
Mm hmm. Yeah. Right.

01:25:05.95
Mike
Yeah. Mm hmm.

01:25:10.16
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:25:12.05
Bill
But um I don't know. It just, it's, I, I, I'm. I'll go back to exactly what we were talking about to begin with, with the reading. I'm i'm so glad that we we have this structure.

01:25:22.83
Bill
And it. started off with this again this rigid structure which i think All of us need it.

01:25:26.74
Mike
Yeah

01:25:28.50
Bill
These guys even admit it. They're like, well, we were told to get in.

01:25:29.93
Mike
Mhm.

01:25:30.70
Bill
We didn't like it. But when we were told to sit down and shut up, um you know, I didn't like it.

01:25:33.56
Mike
Yeah.

01:25:34.98
Bill
The one guy's like, he goes, I needed that because I wasn't pissed about that at all.

01:25:37.05
Mike
Yeah.

01:25:38.46
Bill
He goes, I knew I needed it.

01:25:38.46
Mike
Right.

01:25:39.62
Bill
They're like, really?

01:25:39.89
Mike
Right. Yeah.

01:25:42.03
Bill
But the other ones are like they're like, I didn't want to hear it, but ah you know it was good for me.

01:25:44.67
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:25:45.40
Bill
So they admitted that. so

01:25:46.35
Mike
Sure.

01:25:47.51
Bill
I'm glad we had that, but I'm also glad that we've. I'll just say grown or expanded our minds, whatever, grown?

01:25:52.79
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

01:25:54.24
Bill
yeah Is that right?

01:25:54.60
Mike
yeah Yeah, well, I mean, you know, open-mindedness.

01:25:57.21
Bill
Yeah, yeah, there you go.

01:25:57.61
Mike
You know, willingness, right.

01:25:59.02
Bill
Right.

01:25:58.86
Mike
I mean, you know, exactly. yeah contempt without, you know, prior investigation, blah, blah, blah, blah, all that shit. Yeah, right. You know, yeah, it's it's all in the book. You know, it's all there if you fucking pay attention.

01:26:10.40
Mike
Don't pick and choose. No, keep an open mind and fucking, you know, this thing flows, man.

01:26:13.93
Bill
hu

01:26:16.98
Mike
you know And if if if you don't, if you...

01:26:17.46
Bill
Right.

01:26:19.83
Mike
spend Again. Spend your entire life in a church basement. um Spend your entire life watching one news channel, one opinion, and in one, you know, it's not good.

01:26:30.55
Mike
It's not, you know, I want to see everything and then make a decision. I want as much information as I can possibly get and then see what fucking works for me and leave the rest.

01:26:41.58
Bill
Right.

01:26:42.11
Mike
Yeah. you know that We were taught that too. That was part of that rigid shit that we were given. you know Yes, this, this, and this, but... this this, this, and this. Part of the this, one of the these is.

01:26:55.11
Bill
ah

01:26:54.37
Mike
what open-mindedness you know and yeah keep keep your shit open and and you know this this Yes, there is one there's a way.

01:26:58.27
Bill
Yeah.

01:27:05.58
Mike
But there's a lot of ways to get there. You know, yes, there's there's one destination where I'll try to get to the same place, but there's a lot of fucking ways to get there.

01:27:09.23
Bill
Right.

01:27:14.70
Bill
Right. Well, and I mean, just based based on what they were saying, I mean, just just the fact of, you know, the the lack of meetings that, well, you go to a meeting at least every week.

01:27:22.87
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:27:23.41
Bill
You know, I mean, you and I should both, we we should have both been drunk years ago. I mean, when did I?

01:27:26.38
Mike
Oh sure.

01:27:27.34
Bill
When did it what did I drop down to no meetings?

01:27:27.43
Mike
Yeah.

01:27:29.03
Bill
I mean, COVID, you know?

01:27:30.47
Mike
Right.

01:27:30.80
Bill
So.

01:27:31.43
Mike
Well, I mean, you know, I proved that one to myself. I told the story on here. you know I fucking shot up in the bathroom at a meeting once.

01:27:37.58
Bill
Right, right.

01:27:37.25
Mike
you know I mean, I was at a meeting meeting.

01:27:40.93
Bill
Right.

01:27:42.30
Mike
Meetings are nice. Meetings, the fellowship and not being alone and all that. Yes, it's important. It is a factor and whatever. But it ain't the fucking thing, man. The thing is the thing.

01:27:51.26
Bill
Right.

01:27:52.75
Mike
And it's got nothing to do with the fucking church basement.

01:27:52.96
Bill
Right

01:27:56.20
Bill
Well, you know, and they They did say that the one thing that they said, though, that was kind of almost contradictory with how they were with how they were talking.

01:27:59.48
Mike
Mmm. Ah, to themselves, yes.

01:28:02.98
Bill
Well, I mean... that there was a positive contradictory because they had said that, you know, when. To begin with, and I heard this in the first episode that I listened to this.

01:28:11.10
Mike
Uh huh.

01:28:11.52
Bill
The work things or does a work they they were talking about the fact that they're like, you know, that that people part of ah part of the thing where people lose sight of of this this thing in this program is that, the you know, the meeting is not.

01:28:14.05
Mike
Yeah.

01:28:21.94
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:28:24.92
Bill
is not the program, the steps are.

01:28:26.10
Mike
Right.

01:28:26.85
Bill
And I'm like,

01:28:26.88
Mike
Mm-hmm

01:28:27.72
Bill
Yeah.

01:28:28.29
Mike
Yeah.

01:28:28.44
Bill
you know you i mean granted again they they said the same thing they said the fellowship and you get to meet people and you get you get to be accountable and all those different things all those things i agreed with and that's why i said in that first episode i listened to

01:28:32.79
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:28:35.38
Mike
Right. Right.

01:28:39.76
Bill
they're kind of like saying all the right things i'm like yeah yeah yeah But then then later on, they're just then they're talking about, well, if you miss a meeting, you're kind of fucked.

01:28:41.38
Mike
Mm hmm. Sure.

01:28:48.17
Mike
Mmm.

01:28:48.21
Bill
They didn't say it that way, but that's what they were saying.

01:28:48.45
Mike
Mmm. Mm hmm. Right.

01:28:51.61
Bill
but i'm like you just said what you just said

01:28:54.22
Mike
Yes. Hehehehehehe.

01:28:56.58
Bill
But you just, you just said. So I don't know. It's just the that's why I said the more and more I thought about it, I'm like, hey, I had so I'm not going to mention the name but because I just now I just shit on him and I'm not going to.

01:29:05.01
Mike
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

01:29:08.99
Bill
you're Like, yeah.

01:29:09.04
Mike
Right, yeah Yeah.

01:29:09.48
Bill
Yeah.

01:29:10.45
Mike
right yeah so you you you checked it out and it yeah you know there was a couple of good things and then they the bed and and you went well all right that's it for you boys and threw out of the limo

01:29:11.09
Bill
i don't I don't need to talk about it.

01:29:24.01
Bill
Right. right yeah can i i can only imagine and here's the thing i mean we're not so fucking egotistical to think or or so fucking blind or stupid or delusional to think that the same goddamn thing hasn't happened to us

01:29:32.16
Mike
Mmm. Mmm.

01:29:36.72
Mike
Right.

01:29:36.95
Bill
Thousands of times.

01:29:38.03
Mike
Of course.

01:29:38.87
Bill
ah I'll say it again. and i'll This is the honest-to-God truth. Uncertain, I haven't looked at it in a while, but whenever the last time I brought it up when I was looking at the at the stats, oh, when it we i went our... up those listeners or we got those 5 000 whatever it was

01:29:50.44
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:29:52.14
Bill
so whatever a couple months ago but And I swear to God, we'll get that every once in a while. As far as followers, we end up with, you know, 300 to 500 followers, new followers in a month.

01:29:57.70
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:30:02.31
Bill
It will net out like 20.

01:30:02.07
Mike
Right. Yeah.

01:30:04.18
Bill
you know and i mean like 20 out of

01:30:04.69
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

01:30:08.35
Bill
Because people start following us like, fuck this shit.

01:30:08.20
Mike
Right

01:30:10.95
Mike
Yep. Exactly.

01:30:12.90
Bill
And...

01:30:12.77
Mike
Good.

01:30:13.62
Bill
And you know what? I mean, we have... I don't know, probably 300 people that that follow us on on Spotify that are part of our audience.

01:30:20.53
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:30:20.86
Bill
And we don't get 300 necessarily you know plays on every episode. you know um Again, we're we're small.

01:30:24.77
Mike
Right.

01:30:26.56
Bill
you know We're a small podcast.

01:30:27.10
Mike
Yeah.

01:30:28.42
Bill
And whatever whatever happens, happens. like we like We've been saying since day fucking one, you know maybe we're going to grow.

01:30:32.37
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:30:33.77
Bill
We're like the kid that's 5 '9 in high school. He's like, I'm going to grow. Maybe I'll grow.

01:30:38.12
Mike
Hehehehehehehehe.

01:30:38.95
Bill
And we're still five fucking nine after four and a half years. I don't know if it's going to, I don't know if it's good.

01:30:42.19
Mike
Yep.

01:30:43.89
Bill
Whatever. If it doesn't, if it does, it does. If it doesn't, whatever.

01:30:46.07
Mike
Yeah.

01:30:47.02
Bill
Doesn't fucking matter.

01:30:47.29
Mike
Yeah.

01:30:47.88
Bill
Doesn't fucking matter.

01:30:48.10
Mike
Right. we just Keep showing up.

01:30:50.50
Bill
Exactly. Keep showing up and keep keep doing the work even on even on a Thursday night, right? so you're you're

01:30:54.100
Mike
yeah Exactly.

01:30:55.58
Bill
So you're not working tomorrow, huh?

01:30:56.85
Mike
Nah, I'm not.

01:30:56.98
Bill
You said. Hmm. All right then. yeah Like I said, i only got I only got a few hours to put in and put this thing together.

01:31:01.00
Mike
Yep.

01:31:04.01
Bill
and this will be This will be easy because usually all I do tonight is ill i'll start I'll watch a little bit of TV and let all this shit load up. and you know Sometimes it's just that's the timing it or the time it takes to you know get this initial part of it done, which I can't not doing anything.

01:31:18.01
Bill
you know But, oh, yeah, ah with some if you. Well, I mean, we'll talk about it because I know whatever you plan on doing in the episode title and stuff like that tonight would probably be key just in case.

01:31:27.33
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, i'll be I'll do it.

01:31:28.13
Bill
We'll get that done right away.

01:31:29.90
Mike
Yeah, that way I don't have to fuck with it tomorrow.

01:31:31.85
Bill
Yeah, I know.

01:31:32.06
Mike
Ha ha!

01:31:32.36
Bill
yeah yeah it's ah it's ah It's certainly more of the selfish side of things I know on your end too.

01:31:36.31
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:31:37.22
Bill
so All right, well, you know what? um I think. I mean, i got we got we got plenty of stuff. I got these articles. We got we got we got time. We got plenty.

01:31:44.40
Mike
There.

01:31:44.60
Bill
Plenty of stuff.

01:31:44.56
Mike
Well, we got to fucking do this again on Tuesday.

01:31:47.47
Bill
I know. yeah Yeah, ladies and gentlemen, and seriously, I thought about it. then we don't have to bring it up on Tuesday. If after, after Tuesday, after we record, I think I'm pretty sure the only day that we haven't recorded would be Monday.

01:31:53.34
Mike
Hmm.

01:31:57.81
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:32:00.58
Bill
now because i know for a fact we've we've done obviously thursday friday saturday sunday we've done we've done a wednesday before we had to you know i know for a fact we had to do a wednesday a few months ago so yeah after this we maybe we just have to record on a monday just to fuck around one time be like hi there

01:32:00.70
Mike
Right. Well.

01:32:07.45
Mike
ah huh Right?

01:32:15.33
Mike
Alright. Bye.

01:32:18.87
Bill
Bonus episode. Four minutes.

01:32:21.13
Mike
Yes.

01:32:23.94
Bill
All right. So, yeah, but I think I think we're good. We good.

01:32:27.16
Mike
We're good.

01:32:28.27
Bill
All right

01:32:29.10
Mike
Yes, I don't have to work, but I did definitely did today. so

01:32:33.30
Bill
hey

01:32:34.29
Mike
We're done. All right, well, thank you, everyone, for listening to yet another episode of Sober Not Mature. As always, be kind to each other, be good to each other, go out and do something nice for somebody else this week, and don't tell anybody you did it.

01:32:49.70
Mike
now, from the bottom of my heart. to the depths of my soul from the beginning of time until the ends of the earth always and eternally. Fuck you.

01:33:01.25
Mike
And now it is time. It is time for you to fuck. Off. Then keep fucking off. Keep fucking off till you get to a gate with a sign on it saying, you cannot fuck off past here.

01:33:13.76
Mike
Climb over that gate. Dream the impossible dream and keep fucking off forever.

01:33:21.22
Bill
Yes, at least keep fucking off while the the episode will be released. I don't know, whatever whatever day we decide to release it, but...

01:33:24.93
Mike
Yes. Whatever. Release the hounds.

01:33:28.33
Bill
Yeah, it'll be recorded on Tuesday. Oh, real real quick, and I'm hearing this. ah i I listened to the morning show, the radio show morning show from Milwaukee on.

01:33:36.12
Mike
Mm hmm. Yeah.

01:33:36.98
Bill
what I listened to it on, on their app. Yeah. I listened to it on their app. Speaking of apps, but. You know, they'll get ads, obviously. They'll get ads, either national ads, but also local ones, but all that stuff that I get.

01:33:46.07
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:33:47.33
Bill
But the the one I'm getting recently is um Gatorade must be doing this push, and I looked it up. And it's an it's an ad campaign back from the 90s. So they go through this whole thing, Gatorade, this and all the different things they they do.

01:33:55.93
Mike
Okay.

01:33:59.68
Bill
I've heard probably three or four different ads with Gatorade, which I like. I get Gatorade every once in a while. It's good. you know um But they're going through all these different different things. And then the the tagline now is Gatorade.

01:34:10.65
Bill
Is it in you?

01:34:12.32
Mike
Mm-hmm

01:34:15.08
Bill
ah And I'm like... That's fucking wonderful. it's It's like the best ad campaign ever.

01:34:21.03
Mike
Right.

01:34:21.92
Bill
And I looked it up. I'm like, it's almost like, I mean, I knew it wasn't a joke as I'm hearing the ads. It's from. it's from like night the early 90s i guess it was like

01:34:29.71
Mike
Yeah, I remember.

01:34:30.97
Bill
Do you really with Michael Jordan?

01:34:31.79
Mike
Yeah.

01:34:32.11
Bill
Do you remember that?

01:34:32.58
Mike
Mm-hmm Mm hmm.

01:34:33.32
Bill
I don't. I don't fucking remember.

01:34:34.39
Mike
Yeah.

01:34:34.90
Bill
it I was drunk still, but...

01:34:35.21
Mike
I remember. Yeah. yeah You know, so was I, I was more than just drunk, but, uh, yeah.

01:34:40.69
Bill
Right.

01:34:41.97
Mike
Yeah. Is it in you? Right.

01:34:44.81
Bill
I'm like, that's so fucking, what it just, it made me, when I first heard it, I'm like, what did Jesus to say?

01:34:49.89
Mike
mm-hmm

01:34:50.67
Bill
well It's a great ad campaign, but it's filthy in the best way possible.

01:34:53.60
Mike
Yes.

01:34:54.65
Bill
so

01:34:54.90
Mike
Right.

01:34:55.97
Bill
All right. So speaking of that, it is. in me. Is it in you?

01:34:59.59
Mike
It is. It isn't me.

01:35:02.94
Bill
All right. I love you, brother.

01:35:03.97
Mike
Love you too.

01:35:04.96
Bill
I know we'll talk soon.

01:35:05.98
Mike
We shall.

01:35:07.21
Bill
Bye.

01:35:08.13
Mike
Bye.