SoberNotMature - Episode 207 (Dinner's Served)

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Bill
All right, everyone. Welcome once again to another episode of Sober Not Mature. And what the fuck, man? You know, okay, first of all, do you know what date it was the last time that we were given free reign of our little podcast here? Do you know what date it was?

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Mike
um Well, I mean, there was the the last time we did it. We didn't mean to do it. um Right.

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Bill
Right? but

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Mike
So, I mean, the last time we actually like scheduled just us. Shit. I don't know. i i First of the fucking year. I have no idea.

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Bill
Yeah, schedule. You know what? I didn't think about that. But yeah, the last time that we that we planned that episode would have been January 3rd.

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Mike
ah

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Bill
But yeah, when Jermaine, our guest from last week, was going to be on with us the first time, it didn't.

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Mike
Yep.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
That was January 10th. So yeah, I mean, it's it's literally been, I mean, well, shit, it's been a fucking month since we've you know had reign of this little podcast again.

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Mike
Yep.

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Bill
But So just real quick, I figured that you know while we were at this, I just wanted to to kind of go.

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Mike
Uh-huh.

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Bill
We had three, I think, and I know you agree with me, but you know three really good guests over the last three weeks.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Mike
Absolutely.

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Bill
So just a quick recap going all the way back to the to the first guest three weeks ago. That was Jim O'Connor from the Second Story Foundation. Yes, I'm reading off of my podcast list.

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Mike
Yup. Yes, do it.

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Bill
Yeah. um the the website again he is the they are the ones that are trying to raise money for all these guys if you haven't listened to the episode they're doing good things out there helping guys get back on their feet for free by the way and actually putting them to work um so the website is boots on let's go.com and then upper right hand corner i believe if i remember you'll be able to figure out you can you could donate or or support them

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Mike
Yeah.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Mike
Yup. Absolutely. Yup.

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Mike
Yup.

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Mike
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

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Bill
The gentleman two weeks ago, that was our our good friend now Ben Flaherty from Stop the Shuffle.

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Mike
Yup. Yup.

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Bill
That's the documentary which blew both of our fucking minds. And um that is on Instagram.

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Mike
Uh-huh.

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Bill
He is at Stop the Shuffle. Website is StopTheShuffle.com. And they've got lists now of dates playing.

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Mike
Yeah, they're doing they're doing film festivals and stuff.

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Bill
I think.

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Mike
and Yeah, and college stuff. They're going to be doing Cleveland sometime in April. I don't know the date yet. I've been looking. i' They're doing the Cleveland International Film Festival.

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Mike
Soon as we get that date, we'll let you know.

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Bill
Right.

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Bill
Yeah. And that's what I actually looked at that earlier today because they're um they've got dates booked out through sometime in March. I don't have April up there yet. He told us, I thought he said it was going to be, you know, at some dates through the 18th because I was, I could have sworn it was my, my anniversary date in there.

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Mike
Right. Right.

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Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

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Bill
But one way or the other, it's going to be middle of the month of April, but yeah, absolutely.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
We'll, we'll let people know.

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Mike
Yeah, the film festival is like the 16th through the 18th or something like that.

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Bill
Yeah.

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Mike
I'm on their mailing list. I've been to several things there. And so, yeah. um Like I said, they haven't announced the schedule yet, but as soon as they do, we'll let you know.

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Bill
Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, seriously, the the documentary, um I mean, I don't think there's many things in the recovery world that like surprise us or really grab our attention, but that did.

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Mike
Yeah, right. Mm-hmm.

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Bill
um So I think that says something about it. I mean, a little bit, but I mean, it it did.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
it kind of that whole thing blew our minds. So again, Stop the Shuffle on Instagram, StopTheShuffle.com is the website. Check that out. And then last week we had Jermaine and Jermaine is the author of Autopsy of My Former Self.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
And also check out his Instagram. If you look up. um Oh, shit. Where is this? Oh, there it is. God damn.

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Mike
and

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Bill
Jermaine. Jermaine Dante. So D-A-N-T-E underscore art um or.

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Mike
Jermaine with a J, correct?

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Bill
Correct. Yeah.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
Jermaine with a J um or you can always go to our page, sober, not mature.com or sober, not mature on Instagram. And then obviously follow the link or go to our website and you'll be able to click through or go to Spotify, the episode and you can click through it's episode two zero six.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Mike
Yep. It's ah on iHeart, too. I actually looked at one point. So, yeah.

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Bill
Were you able to click through?

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
Oh, really? Okay. Yeah. Cause it was, and I can't remember there was, um, when I first started doing that, cause I can't remember where I didn't steal it. I learned it, you know, from somebody that, that did a click through, which I mean, technically I stole it, but I mean, in a good way.

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Mike
Yeah, right. Yeah.

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Bill
And, you know, I didn't realize that I could, that I could provide links within the description.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
So I do that if I have a website or now an Instagram thing, I link it through And I think it might, maybe it's Apple that doesn't, that doesn't click through.

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Mike
Right.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
And I think I looked there because Apple is still probably 60% of where our listener base comes from.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
But that, that's interesting. That's, that's good to know that iHeart, you know, can click through. I know Spotify can, but one way or the other, I mean, you could always take a look, but anyone could take a look on our Instagram page or our website and find links to any one of the guests that we have.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
But all three of those guys were, they were a lot of fun and we had a great time with them.

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Mike
Absolutely. Yeah.

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Bill
So, And yeah, we've got a couple, a couple we're working on one that we just, we're going to get scheduled for the beginning of March. You're kind of stuck with us until what the next few weeks.

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Mike
Uh-huh.

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Bill
And yeah, I mean, our, our anniversary episodes coming up on the 27th.

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Mike
Yeah, it is.

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Bill
So um I don't know, you know we got a, I don't, you know, it's one of those things I started thinking about that. I'm like, not that we really need to do anything, but um I mean, i don't know, four years is a long fucking time, you know?

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Mike
yeah it is

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Bill
And, you know, I think about it. I mean, out of all the things that we've that we've done with this and 200 episodes or 100 or whatever, with we just kind of poo-pooed. I don't know four Four years seems kind of like a like a deal, you know?

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
And um so i don't know.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
I mean, if we should try to have a guest or just do our normal thing, I don't we'll figure it out. But...

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Mike
I think we should just wear hats.

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Bill
Well, oh okay. Note to self, wear a hat. But what but but what kind of hat?

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Mike
A party hat.

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Bill
Oh, a party hat.

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Mike
little Yeah, a little Poindexter Poidy party hat.

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Bill
Okay, that's it.

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Bill
did Okay. What about like one, what, one with a propeller?

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
Can we get propeller hats?

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Mike
yeah Yeah, absolutely. don't

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Bill
Hang on. Hang on. Seriously. I'm going to write this down. I'm looking out Amazon propeller.

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Mike
know. Right. Right. Right.

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Bill
How do you spell propeller? It doesn't matter. I'll get it. Propeller hats. Okay.

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Mike
right

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Bill
Look on Amazon.

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Mike
right

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Bill
If I find that, we're not going to do video, but we can certainly take a goddamn picture. but And I've got i got a bunch of little things.

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Mike
m

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Bill
I mean, shit, I got almost a month worth of fucking garbage on here.

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Mike
right

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Bill
There was certain weeks that I didn't write anything down. Some I did, but... um I think I, um and I wanted to get your opinion on this. This is going to be a kind of a work in progress here, but I've got a lot lot of like little, I will call them like tidbits or bullet point things, but maybe that that could be a new, I was thinking a new feature.

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Mike
New feature.

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Bill
Sober, not mature tidbits.

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Mike
Ah.

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Bill
You know, because they I don't think they're going to be topics, you know, but they're just kind of like little sometimes one-liners or things that, you know, observations like, oh, about that airplane food.

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Mike
Right.

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Mike
he

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Bill
It's not a Jerry Seinfeld, you know, bit, but, you know, it's kind of like one of those things. I'll give you an example, okay? And this is one that I was going open up with, but I got got to yapping about the other thing. So a Florida man stole an ambulance going on a beer run.

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Mike
Mm-hmm. Yes. Mm-hmm.

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Bill
he said

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Mike
Nice.

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Bill
he said it was an emergency.

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Mike
yeah.

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Bill
So that's it. That's all I had. I mean, it's, I don't know that it's really a topic, but I'm like, that's, that's, that's worth mentioning.

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Mike
i Right.

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Bill
The dude was, it's a beer run.

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Mike
oh yeah, absolutely.

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Bill
Um, I,

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Mike
it's Right? He better fucking got the lights and the siren going.

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Bill
yeah And I don't think I have to i have to even guess because i'm I'm trying to think, you know, did i did they say he was intoxicated?

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Mike
Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Right.

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Bill
You know, I think I just read the headline. I just probably just assumed it. But I'm like, okay, well, that the dude was drunk.

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Mike
sure

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Bill
So, I mean, it has it's got all the all the elements of of something that's, you know, obviously that we should talk about on a podcast. It's a beer run. The guy was drunk. It's fucking stupid. And, you know, so that was just an example. So that that would be an example of the whatever we want to call it. We can think about it.

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Bill
Sober, not mature tidbits or bullet points or headlines.

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Mike
right

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Bill
don't know what the fuck. I don't want It doesn't even matter. I'm going to have little one-liners here and there probably in this episode because it's got little bits and pieces of shit. But I think

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Mike
Cool. There you go. Little bits and pieces of shit.

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Bill
yeah now it's now it's time for little bits and pieces of shit. You know what?

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Mike
Yes.

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Bill
Thank you. Okay. Now, I'm going to forget that. So that's up to you now to remember because you came up with it.

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Mike
oh But I didn't. i You did. i You said it. and Then I just pointed out that you said it.

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Bill
But I say words all the time. It doesn't, they don't necessarily fucking beat anything.

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Mike
right

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Bill
So you.

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Mike
well Welcome to our podcast.

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Bill
i It's new tagline. We say words, but they don't necessarily mean anything.

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Mike
Yeah,

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Bill
ah Yeah, and I got, um we got a mention on Sober Friends. I'll talk about that. So I got some, yeah, I got some and some and some things some things going on.

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Mike
cool.

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Bill
But I guess back to back to whatever the the basics are, I think maybe, I know today was that today was a day for you, but a little snowy, little traffic-y, little work-y work.

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Mike
Right.

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Mike
ha o It was a day.

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Mike
Yeah. ah

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Bill
Yeah. Okay.

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Mike
All of that stuff. um Yes, but I suppose you're alluding to a reading.

00:09:07.58
Bill
Correct. Correct.

00:09:08.34
Mike
Yes. All right. Hang on a second, because you know what?

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Mike
Yep. All right. I had to get my lamp brighter

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Bill
ah yeah yeah and Well, you got a birthday coming up too, because how old are you going to be?

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Mike
so I could fucking see. Oh, God. 59.

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Bill
Oh shit. I thought, no, I thought today. I didn't. I do i knew it wasn't 60. I was just going to fuck around and say, i think no, I know.

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Mike
Now, that would be next year.

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Bill
I know. you're not that You're not that far ahead of me. You're only you're only little under little under two years ahead of me. so But doth yeah, okay.

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Mike
Right. Well, so speaking of which, um I didn't have time to go through and find one. Nothing had jumped out. So. I thought I would grab Touchstones, open it up to my birthday and see what the fuck it says, because that is the future.

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Bill
Nice.

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Bill
Right. yeah

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Mike
And since I just started Touchstones this year, i haven't gotten to this one yet. So let's find out together what the fuck it says on February eighteenth

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Bill
mean

00:10:07.96
Mike
And here we go. ah so all right, then. Well, here we go. ah Love can be its own reward.

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Mike
Arnold Lobel. Not a fucking clue. All right here we go. The feeling of attachment, of being related, of caring about someone is what life is all about.

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Mike
Before recovery, we may have feared we could not love any anyone. When we feel love, we may also feel cheated because our affections aren't returned as we want them to be.

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Mike
Or we may think relationships are just too complicated and painful. It's true that relationships are difficult at times. The only thing more difficult is having none.

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Mike
In this quiet moment, let's reflect on our relationships. Close attachments to both men and women are essential to our progress. Without them, we would not be in recovery.

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Mike
We don't need to say to our friends, what have you done for me? We can feel an inner fullness and satisfaction knowing that we have relationships we truly care about and we are accepted as we are.

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Mike
That alone is a remarkable reward. And then it says, I appreciate the joys my relationships bring.

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Bill
yeah it' Yeah, I keep forgetting that the touchstones doesn't have like we it doesn't have the the cut and dry like action for the day, them pesky actions where I.

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Mike
Right.

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Mike
Right. Right. right

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Bill
So um a little little side side step here for a minute. um I know you're only, I don't know what, 37 days into touchstones. If I'm looking at the doing my math right.

00:11:59.06
Mike
Sure.

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Bill
um What do you what do you think so far?

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Mike
Something like that. um You know, I like it. It's ah it's no God grant me, but ah but what is? um

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Bill
right

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Mike
Yeah, no, yeah there's you know good stuff. Again, first time through. Talk to me in ah and a year and what eight nine months, the ten months, whatever the fuck, after I've read it twice.

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
um But yes, no, I like it. it's It's got good stuff in it. It's got some, you know, it's got some stuff too, but, you know, whatever.

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Bill
Yeah.

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Bill
And it is it's,

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Mike
I'm kind of like this one.

00:12:37.48
Bill
Right. Well, it's one of those books that it's, you know, just as a, you know, for everyone out there, it's kind of a male book. I mean, they'll do a lot of, you know, talking about men and recovery.

00:12:49.39
Mike
Right.

00:12:49.49
Bill
It is about men and recovery. doesn't always focus on that, but there are a lot of things that do it. It does mention a lot about the 12 steps.

00:12:55.17
Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
So it is. you know, 12 step base, which is cool with me, you know, but every once in a while trying to pick a reading out of there, I don't, not that it really matters.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
I think somebody can replace the word men, you know, but I usually just don't post, I don't post readings on Instagram that are, um, that's, that are specific to any one thing.

00:13:06.43
Mike
Sure.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:13:15.81
Bill
I want to be more general because I know we have a, a wide range of people that listen to us or that, uh, you know, on Instagram.

00:13:16.28
Mike
Sure. Right.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
Um, But yeah, so I was just kind of curious of what you thought so far.

00:13:22.78
Mike
Right.

00:13:25.92
Bill
And I agree with 100% what you said is, you know, sometimes it's like every, I'll take readings from it every day of the week because none of the other ones really stuck out or those were better than to me.

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Bill
They grabbed me more than one of the other ones. But yeah, there's other times I just read them like, oh, Jesus. Yeah.

00:13:41.87
Mike
Right. Right.

00:13:43.67
Bill
it's the last one that I read. It's the last thing that I read, you know, in the morning, but um which is fine. I mean, I do. I like it, though. It's ah in general. I do like it. So back to the reading, though, talking about relationships.

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Bill
And I was kind of scribbling because it was saying it was saying a lot of stuff.

00:13:54.52
Mike
right

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Bill
And obviously, as I was going through, but um it's I mean, having relationships, I think it's oh started off with caring about someone is what life is is all about or what life is about.

00:14:06.28
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:14:09.50
Bill
So.

00:14:10.04
Mike
Right.

00:14:10.10
Bill
You know, guess i guess just starting starting there, um and I know we've talked about this before, but do you think that that you didn't care about people?

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Bill
Like, I mean, really, look when things were at their worst, whatever it was, if it's the last three months, three weeks, whatever, six months, whatever the deal was, do you think that you literally didn't care or you didn't have the ability to care?

00:14:24.33
Mike
Mm. Right. Uh-huh. Mm-hmm.

00:14:33.26
Bill
Or what do you think at that point? Where were you at, do you think?

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Mike
I mean, i yeah, right. I mean, clearly I cared. um

00:14:40.72
Bill
Right.

00:14:41.56
Mike
But, you know, but my actions certainly didn't show it. um Yeah, you know, in my in my twisted mind, yes, of course, I cared about these people, you know, right. Well, um yes, so you know, I cared about these people and blah, blah, blah.

00:14:52.02
Bill
Right. Right.

00:14:56.40
Mike
But but yeah yeah, but my actions didn't show that. um Yeah, so... um Of course I cared about people, um you know, but but not enough to prefer to do anything about it.

00:15:11.06
Bill
Right.

00:15:11.67
Mike
um Yeah, you know, and certainly not like I care about people now. um

00:15:17.53
Bill
Right.

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Mike
You know, I truly give a shit about people and yeah. Yeah.

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Bill
Yeah. And I, I, you know, is the reason it kind of came to, came to me, cause I mean, the, this whole reading was about that, you know, the, about kind of building through what we, what we have in relationships and it just kind of flashed into my head. i'm like, God, at the um insane deal. I, I, I do think, I know that I cared about people, but I guess that's a great way to put it is that number one, my actions didn't show it. and it was easy for me to um you know, if I was either wanting to do something wrong, knew I was doing something wrong, Or, you know, things were going weird, whatever the thing was, it was easy for me to say, well, fine, fuck it. I don't care.

00:15:58.62
Bill
You know, but I mean, all that was is that's just a, you know, a defense mechanism.

00:15:58.81
Mike
Right.

00:16:02.06
Bill
it's was It wasn't that I really didn't care.

00:16:02.14
Mike
isn Right.

00:16:04.47
Bill
i didn't have the, you know, the, the ability to, I don't know, to, to really face the, that the shitty behavior that it was going on.

00:16:10.68
Mike
Oh, absolutely. Right.

00:16:13.62
Bill
But um it also talked about, you know, having relationships and I mean, being complicated, um feeling rejected at times when it comes to relationships.

00:16:20.90
Mike
hmm.

00:16:22.24
Bill
um

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Mike
Mm

00:16:23.19
Bill
I mean, complicated. I think we we agree with that. Yeah.

00:16:26.72
Mike
hmm. Yeah.

00:16:29.30
Bill
I mean, the the best, I think the best relationships that we have, you know, you feel like it shouldn't be complicated, but I think, you know, in general, just, you know, shit, just fucking complicated. there's There's just no way, ah no way around it.

00:16:40.50
Bill
But did you feel to begin with, were you afraid of being, and again, maybe a phrase, the wrong word, were you hesitant about trying to rebuild or step into relationships just in general, whether it be family, friends or anything like that?

00:16:40.66
Mike
Right.

00:16:52.42
Bill
Did you feel like you might be rejected right away or?

00:16:55.10
Mike
Um, damn um, I, no, it didn't really concern me and it still doesn't because, um, you know, again, you know, trying to do the right thing and, you know, my side of the street clean and all that good stuff.

00:17:11.13
Mike
And, uh, yeah, you know, you know, I'm doing what I'm supposed to do. Um, if, if it doesn't live up to someone, well, okay.

00:17:21.67
Mike
Yeah.

00:17:22.08
Bill
Right.

00:17:22.35
Mike
You know, go try to find something else.

00:17:26.36
Bill
Yeah. And that's a that's a good point, too. You know, I mean, it it is that we've talked about that plenty that, you know, it kind of it kind of is what it is when it comes to when it comes to people and what they're going to you know, the the whole idea of what we always talk about people, places and things, you know, we can't control.

00:17:41.34
Bill
what they're going to do, their reactions, anything like that. And, and I think what, probably one of the best things you said, whenever that was probably a year ago now, when you said, you know, just, just let somebody be mad at me that if they're, if I'm walking around in my life, doing all the right things, being a good person, making my quarter of the world, a better place, doing all these things, I'm actually literally being a good human being.

00:17:57.11
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:18:03.10
Bill
And you're you just said something along the lines of let people hate on me for that.

00:18:03.53
Mike
Yeah.

00:18:06.90
Bill
Fuck them.

00:18:06.91
Mike
Yeah.

00:18:07.47
Bill
Yeah.

00:18:07.93
Mike
Right.

00:18:09.27
Bill
I thought about it. I mean, I thought about that again, but thinking about it that at the time, I'm like, it seems so ridiculous, but i'm I'm sure, I mean, well, I'm not sure. Maybe, maybe there are people out there that that hate on us or other people.

00:18:18.68
Mike
um ah Yeah.

00:18:22.71
Bill
And, you know, cause we're out there doing all the, all the right things and they're not, you know?

00:18:25.05
Mike
Right. Yeah, exactly. That's that's just it. you know they they It forces them to look at their behavior, and if they don't like it, then they, you know, well, we certainly know how that works.

00:18:36.00
Mike
We we go, you're the one that's fucked up, not me.

00:18:36.53
Bill
Right.

00:18:40.22
Mike
Yeah, right. You know, that's decades of my life I live that way.

00:18:44.91
Bill
Right.

00:18:45.74
Mike
I'm not doing anything wrong. You are.

00:18:48.09
Bill
Right.

00:18:48.25
Mike
Yeah. So, you know, um yeah. um Right. But, you know, I like where it talked about – you know, recovery is, is kind of nothing without having these relationships, you know, you know first word of the first step, right?

00:19:00.36
Bill
Right.

00:19:02.78
Mike
We, uh, right.

00:19:04.38
Bill
right ha ha okay

00:19:07.10
Mike
But it, but it is true. It's one of the cliches and blah, blah, blah. We know how we feel about the cliches, but they're there for a reason. And, um, yeah, you know, exactly.

00:19:15.90
Bill
Right.

00:19:17.98
Mike
We can't do this thing alone. And, um, you know, what's the point of, getting sober and then you know just being just as alone as you were when you were fucked up.

00:19:29.46
Mike
um Yeah, there's no fun in that. Yeah. yeah And again, you know i like my solitude and all that good stuff, but I also know that you know, there are plenty of people in my life.

00:19:42.06
Mike
All I have to do is pick up a phone or reach out or whatever. And and there are people there and, you know, and it goes both ways. And that's, that's, that's a wonderful thing.

00:19:49.64
Bill
Oh

00:19:51.58
Mike
You know, I'm, I, I know my phone rings and it's, it's a number I recognize. Um, cause God, I'm getting tons of spam calls lately. Um, right.

00:20:01.62
Bill
oh yeah. Yeah, I know. Yeah.

00:20:03.02
Mike
But, um, you know, but yeah, if it's a number I recognize, I'm picking it up. Hey, what do you need?

00:20:10.71
Bill
Or when you miss the phone call and you call the guy back you're like, yeah, what did you need? I'm like, Oh, by the way, I'm in the hospital.

00:20:15.42
Mike
Wow.

00:20:15.43
Bill
You're like,

00:20:15.74
Mike
Right.

00:20:16.15
Bill
oh

00:20:16.85
Mike
oh

00:20:17.11
Bill
um

00:20:18.07
Mike
a

00:20:18.71
Bill
so, oh ah But, you know, it's it's kind of funny and it just reminded me of we have a weekly office meeting every Friday, just a 15 minute meeting.

00:20:31.04
Bill
It's with our whole department.

00:20:31.29
Mike
right

00:20:32.48
Bill
It's whatever it is, 30, 40 people on a Zoom meeting. And um going through whatever before the the meeting got started. And I i don't remember um ah how the conversation got started, but somebody started talking about, you know, retired being retired or whatever.

00:20:46.78
Bill
And people there's like three, four people, maybe five of them.

00:20:47.53
Mike
Yes, I

00:20:49.90
Bill
Like, man, I don't know what I would do if I was retired. I wouldn't know what.

00:20:51.85
Mike
Sure.

00:20:52.62
Bill
Yeah, I know. just is You kind of know where I'm going with this, but they're like, I don't know what I would do.

00:20:56.15
Mike
yes i do

00:20:58.42
Bill
And like i I would want to get back to work and I would i would know what to do with myself.

00:21:01.72
Mike
o

00:21:02.10
Bill
And one guy's like, it's like yeah, it'd be great for like two weeks and I'd need to go do something.

00:21:02.42
Mike
yeah

00:21:05.59
Bill
And then I'm like, in in my head the entire time, you know I'm just listening. and i didn't i didn't say a damn word. But then the one person's like, they're like, oh God, this one chick that lives down in Texas, she's very cool.

00:21:16.92
Bill
I mean, I've never met her before, but just one of the one of the staff members.

00:21:18.98
Mike
Sure.

00:21:20.28
Bill
But she's like, she's like, I could, I could see myself floating down the river all day and then just relaxing and watching TV all every night.

00:21:20.41
Mike
is

00:21:27.16
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:21:27.72
Bill
And, uh, you know, I thought that was kind of funny. And then, then this other, this other one, she's like, uh, she's like, oh, she's like, oh, you'd need to be around people. And she's like, my husband's talking about retiring.

00:21:38.22
Bill
And she's like, my brother-in-law retired. This drove my sister-in-law nuts after like a month. And, you know, it the whole point later, like, well, you'd want to be around people. You want to do this. You want to that. And first of all, I mean, we're we're all remote.

00:21:49.57
Bill
OK, so I mean, some of them are married. They're around people to begin with and not working wouldn't make a bit bit of difference. That was my first thought. And my second thought was, you know, OK, so if you're retired and you have the ability to do that, and you don't know what to do with yourself, then go do something.

00:22:05.06
Bill
Go, you know, go volunteer someplace, you know, join, you know, join ah some charitable organization, um you know, do give, give back, you know?

00:22:07.22
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:22:11.47
Mike
Yeah.

00:22:13.82
Mike
Yeah.

00:22:14.68
Bill
and then, you know, I'm like,

00:22:15.35
Mike
Yeah, there's plenty of shit to do without having to fucking go to work.

00:22:18.74
Bill
I know. And that's, im so I'm listening to all these fucking people talk like they're like, oh, nuts. I wouldn't know what to do, you know, and I had to go out and get a job. I'm like, you wouldn't to go get a fucking job. You could go and do something good for people.

00:22:27.47
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:22:29.50
Bill
You know, that was my first thought. And I mean, i would, i even if I didn't have the, and I hope, um, you know, whenever I can get to the point where I could slow down or if this whole, this business thing that we're, you know, trying to put together works.

00:22:31.71
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:22:41.74
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:22:42.70
Bill
And, um I mean, yes, I want, i When I say I want to work, I want to do something productive. you know I don't necessarily have to work for somebody.

00:22:50.58
Mike
Yes.

00:22:53.98
Bill
do I don't have to have a a nine to five. I want to do something productive. you know If I had enough money to live comfortably, which is fucking hilarious, you know, I mean, on my own without having a you know, a paid job, um I would still do something that was productive, you know, and if it was something that I could earn money at, fine, you know, so be it.

00:22:58.92
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:23:03.58
Mike
Right. Uh-huh. Right.

00:23:12.27
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

00:23:17.35
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:23:17.69
Bill
But it was just, I would want to do something that was fucking productive, you know?

00:23:22.62
Mike
Yes.

00:23:23.86
Bill
So, and to your point, I mean there's plenty of goddamn things to do without going to goddamn work every day, right?

00:23:29.02
Mike
Right.

00:23:29.43
Bill
ah

00:23:29.94
Mike
Trust me, I'll find something to do.

00:23:32.50
Bill
Yeah, and I mean, there I would love to have a day where I just, and I'm not sit-around type of guy, you know but if there if there were a day when I just didn't want to do anything and I just wanted to sit on my ass and watch you know TV or literally sit there and like whatever time a year, watch football all fucking day or you know watch watch golf, and I hate watching golf.

00:23:37.61
Mike
Yeah.

00:23:41.41
Mike
Yeah.

00:23:48.09
Mike
yeah

00:23:50.62
Mike
a

00:23:51.06
Bill
I mean, whatever the case is, i could do that, but I don't know. it just, it literally blew my mind. And, and that's what it just thinking about this, like you were just saying, you know, being around people and, you know, get, getting out there, being able to, you know, you like your solitude.

00:24:03.83
Mike
Yeah.

00:24:05.25
Bill
um But either both of us, we know where to go and what to do if we need or want to be around people.

00:24:08.47
Mike
Yeah.

00:24:12.54
Mike
Right.

00:24:12.77
Bill
It's just, I, it's there, it's available for us. Right.

00:24:15.90
Mike
Right, of course.

00:24:15.92
Bill
Yeah.

00:24:16.67
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:24:19.79
Bill
It's just these fucking people. I'm just like, and they're, they're all different. Again, they're all different ages. You know, a couple of people that are probably at retirement age, couple of younger, you know, I'm just like, Jesus Christ, you guys are so, I mean, part of it's like, this is a stupid, one of the stupidest conversations I've ever listened to in my life for these two, three minutes.

00:24:24.22
Mike
the

00:24:32.98
Mike
a

00:24:35.06
Bill
I'm like, you guys are fucking crazy.

00:24:35.58
Mike
right yeah yeah mm-hmm yes it was it was

00:24:36.50
Bill
You're stupid. You know, you can't, you can't figure it. You can't figure this out really. But anyhow, sorry about that. That was a, that was a rant of sorts. Yeah. But you know what? It was part of the is part of the reading.

00:24:49.02
Bill
right So what else? I mean, you talked about, obviously, that one piece you picked out. What else what else in there?

00:24:54.97
Mike
i don't know that was those know about it

00:24:57.59
Bill
yeah That's the... good Yeah. And that's really all that I wrote down again. I was just, ah it's, it's, it's, it's weird. It's trying and to try it less. I don't know if this makes any sense.

00:25:08.73
Bill
It feels less structured to, to write down notes from that than it did for keep it simple or, or God grant me.

00:25:13.02
Mike
Right.

00:25:15.30
Bill
And I don't know why, but maybe just cause it's more of just, it's just ah like a long paragraph and then you're done.

00:25:15.42
Mike
Yeah. Right.

00:25:20.02
Bill
And I'm like, the

00:25:21.14
Mike
Yeah.

00:25:23.48
Bill
so, okay.

00:25:23.83
Mike
Yeah. Well, okay. So I tried. That was ah a failed experiment. well we have a We'll have a better one next week.

00:25:27.38
Bill
No, no, no. I don't think so though. I, I,

00:25:30.39
Mike
I promise.

00:25:33.05
Bill
but But better is relative. Somebody there probably like, I fucking love that reading.

00:25:34.81
Mike
It is. Yeah. Yeah.

00:25:36.61
Bill
That was great.

00:25:36.82
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:25:37.21
Bill
Thank you.

00:25:37.34
Mike
Yeah. Right. Exactly. Hey, it's not all about me. Look at that.

00:25:41.30
Bill
wait Wait, since when?

00:25:43.06
Mike
I don't know. but About 15 and a half years ago.

00:25:45.62
Bill
Right. Yeah, less than that. I mean, it's actually shit. God, we could you I mean, literally what?

00:25:50.10
Mike
i know.

00:25:51.74
Bill
what what God damn. I mean, we're like two two two months and a couple of days or a couple of weeks away from like that's ah fucking mind blowing.

00:25:56.06
Mike
Yeah.

00:25:59.04
Bill
But anyhow, anyhow, so nothing else from the reading that was I I liked it. I think it was still good. It was perfectly fine.

00:26:03.58
Mike
It was fine.

00:26:04.44
Bill
Yeah.

00:26:04.63
Mike
It was a big bowl of fine.

00:26:08.16
Bill
it was a big bowl of fine okay so um we just passed recently um the whole obviously fucking groundhog day thing which i mean i i know we we we talked about it i think last year because one of our our pictures was the groundhog the groundhog like in jeans and a leather jacket or something like that you found some goddamn picture it was great it just is coming up on the reminders uh or the uh memories on facebook but

00:26:16.30
Mike
Ah.

00:26:19.66
Mike
Mm-hmm. Ah. All right. Mm. Uh-huh. all right

00:26:32.98
Bill
Um, so this is something was just, I wrote this down because first of all, I'd never heard this. Um, but, um, hang on one second. I got the link to the article. I want to know if, if you've ever heard this, cause you've heard a lot more of these things than, uh, than I have.

00:26:46.43
Bill
But, um, actually let me just, I'm going to get into the article here.

00:26:46.79
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:26:50.32
Bill
Cause I wanted, this is about the first groundhog day, which was in the

00:26:56.64
Bill
hundreds Okay.

00:26:57.23
Mike
Yeah.

00:26:57.85
Bill
um Official Groundhog Day. The first official Groundhog Day was on February 2nd, 1887. Okay.

00:27:03.67
Mike
Okay.

00:27:04.60
Bill
In Punxsutawney, Pennsylvania, members of the Punxsutawney Groundhog.

00:27:06.63
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:27:08.20
Bill
Okay. Ate the Groundhog.

00:27:10.87
Mike
Yes. I knew that.

00:27:11.77
Bill
You knew that. ah

00:27:14.61
Mike
Okay.

00:27:15.86
Bill
I fucking never heard that.

00:27:17.56
Mike
he

00:27:17.74
Bill
They they mentioned on the morning show, they're like they're like, wait a second, what did you just say? And they read it back and they're like, yeah, that that was the first Groundhog Day that they they ate the Groundhog as part of their celebration.

00:27:21.56
Mike
he is is

00:27:27.34
Bill
So the local residents, including newspaper editor who helped organize group, tracked Gobbler Snob, hear the Groundhog's prediction.

00:27:27.66
Mike
yep

00:27:33.59
Bill
Yes,

00:27:33.60
Mike
wait wait wait we gotta focus that gobblers knob okay yes all right just can't blow over that man

00:27:39.45
Bill
yeah yes. yes

00:27:44.70
Bill
Well, I mean, I just thought that everyone, and if anyone's ever seen Groundhog Day, they know that, um, they know that the thing, but that there was a meme on Facebook or Instagram recently.

00:27:47.96
Mike
Yes. Mm-hmm.

00:27:53.53
Bill
It's like, where, where'd you take her on your first date? And it's like, you know, Gobbler's Knob. So it's, I thought it okay.

00:27:57.34
Mike
Yep.

00:27:58.21
Bill
But yes, Gobbler's Knob, in case anyone doesn't know, that is the, that's, that's the grounds where the, the Groundhog Day celebration happens in Punxsutawney.

00:27:59.83
Mike
Yes. Mm-hmm. Uh-huh. This may shock you, but I've driven past it.

00:28:06.65
Bill
Um,

00:28:08.66
Mike
Right. Right.

00:28:09.02
Bill
ah Done shot me one bit. You've driven past everything, but i I wouldn't mind.

00:28:12.18
Mike
Right.

00:28:13.34
Bill
I don't want to go to the celebration. Oh, the other thing, quick side note before I finish reading this.

00:28:14.97
Mike
right

00:28:17.66
Bill
They said when the prior to, and don't remember the exact numbers, what the the before numbers were, but I know what the after numbers are. So Groundhog Day, the movie came out in early ninety s Does that sound right?

00:28:30.14
Mike
mean Yeah.

00:28:31.13
Bill
Mid?

00:28:31.19
Mike
but Okay. Yeah.

00:28:31.93
Bill
Somewhere there?

00:28:32.14
Mike
mit Somewhere in there.

00:28:32.49
Bill
Yeah. Yeah, somewhere in the 90s when that movie came out. Obviously very popular. if you have If somebody hasn't seen it, it would fucking shock me, but you go go watch it. But prior to that, they used to get, I don't know, it was like 2,000 people or 3,000 people maybe at this celebration.

00:28:41.03
Mike
Right.

00:28:47.57
Mike
Yeah.

00:28:49.12
Bill
After that movie, it's grown into now where they have like 40 or 50,000 people on the grounds of this thing.

00:28:54.37
Mike
Wow.

00:28:56.13
Bill
And same thing, they were talking about that the the other day, and I was just, I didn't realize that the sheer numbers, but Okay, so first event we know when trekked into, yes, Gobbler's Knob, you're the Groundhog's Prediction.

00:29:01.69
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:29:06.31
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:29:07.40
Bill
Then it says the menu, these are all bullet points, the early member...

00:29:10.83
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:29:16.31
Bill
The early members of the of the club um often included groundhog on the menu for their festivities as they relied on the animal for more than just weather forecasting.

00:29:22.07
Mike
e

00:29:26.78
Bill
Well, he doesn't just say does doesn tell us the weather. he say He's fucking lunch.

00:29:31.77
Mike
That's right.

00:29:32.73
Bill
But um yeah, I had, that's that's fucking crazy. all I mean, out of out of all these these years, I just never never fucking knew. And they're like, yeah, now, of course, you know, that the one article that I read, of course, so well, now and that that't they they don't eat them anymore. i said just That doesn't happen anymore. Yeah.

00:29:50.33
Mike
a damn shame.

00:29:51.26
Bill
know I mean, I don't know. as It takes, you know.

00:29:52.98
Mike
All the traditions are going by the wayside.

00:29:56.47
Bill
Yeah. what's What's this world coming to when a guy can't eat a fucking groundhog anymore?

00:29:59.16
Mike
Yeah. Right.

00:30:02.23
Bill
Hey, tell me the weather. Let's go grab some lunch. Oh, yeah. i mean, what did they do? They just fucking, you know, fucking knife the goddamn thing, skin it, and just throw it on a spit.

00:30:12.64
Bill
They they must have. I mean, just, I don't know.

00:30:14.20
Mike
Yeah.

00:30:15.29
Bill
But um yeah, I just, I was wondering that, I guess it doesn't shock me that you, that you heard that before, but that just kind of, that kind of made me laugh. Okay. So this is, this is kind of the tidbits and shit sort of thing.

00:30:26.33
Bill
So um if you remember a month ago, I think I said I had um sent an email to Matt, our friend from Sober Friends podcast.

00:30:26.68
Mike
All right.

00:30:35.62
Bill
And just told them about the whole the whole tangent thing because they were they were talking about it just as a refresher for everyone that um Steve was saying, hey, you know I don't mean to go off on a tangent all the time.

00:30:45.74
Bill
And then Matt will say that every once in a while. So I emailed him and said, hey, I love it when you guys do that because sometimes it's you know it's interesting information that you go off on. So maybe I'm not the only one type of thing.

00:30:56.32
Bill
So he emailed me back and said, you know, he doesn't do what sometimes wants to stay structured, ADHD, blah, blah, blah, this.

00:31:00.99
Mike
Mm-hmm

00:31:02.32
Bill
And, you know, I listen to their podcast. um All I mean, I listen all their episodes ultimately, but I was a couple of episodes behind. i was listening to it over the weekend.

00:31:12.49
Bill
And halfway through the the one episode, he's Matt's Matt's talking about whatever the topic was. And he said, he goes, oh, by the way, he goes, ah he goes, ah a friend of ours. He goes from the he goes, Bill, from the Sober Not Mature podcast.

00:31:25.33
Bill
And I'm like, oh, yeah, I just fucking like, hey, I i know that guy.

00:31:26.58
Mike
yeah Hey, that's me. I know that, dude.

00:31:32.66
Bill
well That's exactly what I thought about when when he said it too.

00:31:36.47
Mike
he

00:31:37.56
Bill
Literally, i swear to God, I thought about that. So he's like, he's telling Steve, um you know, this whole, my email and the tangent. And Steve's like, oh, he's probably talking about me. He goes, I always go off on a tangent. And then Matt's like, no, he goes, I do it sometimes too.

00:31:47.25
Mike
Mm

00:31:50.11
Bill
And they were talking about control, which I have a question about that too.

00:31:53.51
Mike
hmm.

00:31:53.59
Bill
So Matt's like, this kind of goes along the control thing. He goes, you know, I'm having control over And then he goes off in this tangent. He goes, maybe think of this. So blah, blah, blah. So through the rest of this episode and there their episodes are, dad I know those two were only like 30 minutes a piece.

00:32:07.33
Bill
And a couple of times Steve was saying, he's like, he goes, whoa, he goes, I don't want to go off a tangent.

00:32:07.60
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:32:11.76
Bill
He goes, Bill, Bill doesn't want us to go off on tangents. And I'm like, it's not what I said.

00:32:15.51
Mike
Right.

00:32:15.88
Bill
i'm like, I'm thinking about like, Steve, come on, were you fucking listening? it And then I'm talking to the, you know, my fucking, fucking sound. I'm like, Matt, correct him.

00:32:22.01
Mike
Right.

00:32:22.93
Bill
didn't say that. you know So gets through the episode. of like, whatever. is just kind of fun. You don't get mentioned.

00:32:27.70
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:32:28.12
Bill
So I slip into the next episode. Again, the week later, they're talking about whatever. And Steve starts talking about something. He's like, well, he goes, I want to go off on a tangent. But he goes, that he goes, you know, he goes, that guy didn't want us to.

00:32:39.42
Bill
And in Matt's like, done and no, no, no.

00:32:39.94
Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

00:32:41.18
Bill
He goes, he said he did like it when we went off on tangents. Steve's like, really? Yeah. He's like, yeah.

00:32:46.62
Mike
he

00:32:47.58
Bill
And then this this is a fun part. Matt's like, he goes, yeah, it was Bill from the Sober Not Mature podcast. And he goes, just so you know, he goes, his exact words, he said, he goes, emphasis on the not mature with those guys.

00:33:00.44
Mike
a

00:33:01.11
Bill
And I'm like, yes.

00:33:03.16
Mike
Nice.

00:33:03.99
Bill
Thank you, Matt. Thank you very much.

00:33:06.26
Mike
Yes.

00:33:07.22
Bill
So anyhow, um but yeah, seriously, the um Sober Friends podcast, they have great topics. ah It's Matt and Steve and they go, Steve's got about the same amount of time as Mike and I, you know, 15, almost 16 years, somewhere in that area.

00:33:22.06
Bill
Matt's got, gosh, I think now probably 12, 13, maybe. um good sobriety they're a guys they um they're not preachy or anything like that they're that i would say they're they're lined up pretty well with which is why i listen to them with with us but they're they're not as mouthy as us that's all and not as not as fucking funny either but you know they don't they don't laugh as much as we do but anyhow so yeah so so thank you matt thank you very much

00:33:25.47
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:33:34.76
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm. Right. Oh, good. Yeah.

00:33:47.22
Mike
Yes. Thank you, gentlemen. We appreciate the shout-out.

00:33:50.26
Bill
Yeah, and glad so listen to listen to those guys too. They're they're a lot of fun. and They do have, they rarely go, if they go an hour, that's probably it. And that's probably on the long side.

00:33:59.44
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:34:01.98
Bill
Usually 25 to 35, maybe 40 minutes at the most. So they're easier digestible, easier amounts to to digest.

00:34:09.21
Mike
to digest. a

00:34:12.86
Bill
i fuck I knew what I wanted to say.

00:34:13.78
Mike
kind of like Kind of like a groundhog.

00:34:14.46
Bill
Yeah. yeah

00:34:17.98
Mike
he

00:34:20.41
Bill
hes Do you think it's easy to digest or would you...

00:34:22.55
Mike
i who i don't know. I would imagine they're kind of greasy.

00:34:24.25
Bill
For some reason... I was just going to say, um i for some reason, I think they'd probably be... Because um what else? ah a Beaver. Beaver is supposed to be greasy meat, right?

00:34:32.56
Mike
Yeah. Hmm. Wow.

00:34:34.42
Bill
yeah Well, nice beaver.

00:34:37.02
Mike
No comment.

00:34:39.26
Bill
now Not that. Okay. um The animal. the The animal that chews down trees and a big slappy tail.

00:34:42.17
Mike
Yes. Right. Mm-hmm.

00:34:44.70
Bill
That that beaver.

00:34:44.86
Mike
Yeah. Uh-huh.

00:34:46.81
Bill
not Not the five young females that we're speaking of.

00:34:48.87
Mike
What? Hmm?

00:34:51.60
Bill
Hey, nice beaver.

00:34:51.80
Mike
Ah.

00:34:54.22
Bill
See, that's what that's ah that's that's a soundbite that I need to get on here.

00:34:54.36
Mike
Right.

00:34:57.96
Bill
Nice beaver.

00:34:58.14
Mike
Yes. he

00:35:00.66
Bill
Okay. um Actually, you know what? the I did write down the control thing. So and this was that this actually came from that that conversation.

00:35:04.96
Mike
Yes.

00:35:08.03
Bill
This is actually, okay, we're getting into sobriety stuff. so Settle the fuck down. Everyone calm down.

00:35:11.83
Mike
and All right.

00:35:12.63
Bill
It's okay. It's okay.

00:35:13.34
Mike
All right. Well, before we jump into control real quick, um I'm sure we talked about it last time we talked about Groundhog Day, but um I was i was at a meeting um in Virginia with like shit.

00:35:14.07
Bill
Okay. Okay.

00:35:27.20
Mike
Well, years ago, 13 years ago, something like that. um And somehow that movie came up and somebody said, oh, yeah, it's a sobriety movie.

00:35:34.23
Bill
o

00:35:36.25
Mike
And it was like, really? But if you kind of think about it, right, he's like, his life's all fucked up. He's totally fucking selfish and self-centered, blah blah, blah, blah, blah. And he gets stuck in this thing and he doesn't get out of it until he starts doing for others.

00:35:50.80
Bill
Right.

00:35:51.29
Mike
Right. And that's kind of the end of the movie, right? He's like, you know, he catches the kid falling out of the tree and blah, blah, blah. He's out running around the town doing things for everybody else in the town, doing things for others, not being selfish.

00:36:03.01
Mike
And that's when the Groundhog Day ends and he gets this.

00:36:06.81
Bill
Right.

00:36:07.07
Mike
Yeah. So anyway. Yeah. So, you know.

00:36:09.09
Bill
Right.

00:36:10.68
Mike
if you If you watch the movie and you watch it with that perspective, it's it's kind of cool.

00:36:15.70
Bill
Right.

00:36:15.99
Mike
And then I saw another one so Actually, I saw this week because, you know, it's Groundhog Day.

00:36:19.10
Bill
hey

00:36:20.69
Mike
um That Ned is the devil and he sells his soul to him. Murray sells his soul to him because he doesn't get out of it until the end when he buys all the insurance.

00:36:32.17
Mike
So he signs the contract and then he gets everything that he wants.

00:36:39.58
Bill
ned ned the head ryerson bang and then the head ned took your sister the got shingles to do yeah that whole thing bang

00:36:40.89
Mike
Right. Needle nose, Ned. hey

00:36:50.10
Mike
Bing. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. So anyway, Ned's the devil and he's, and Bill has to sell his soul to him to get out of it and get everything that he wants.

00:36:57.62
Bill
yeah

00:36:59.58
Mike
I thought that was kind of an interesting perspective too.

00:36:59.80
Bill
so now That is, I, you know, the, I remember when you mentioned that, whatever that was, obviously in the last four years, cause you said it on here.

00:37:06.42
Mike
Right.

00:37:08.47
Bill
And um I had never, two things, never heard about that, but a thought about that afterwards.

00:37:08.50
Mike
Yeah.

00:37:14.17
Bill
I don't know. It might be just, it might've been last year. Cause I don't think I've seen, i don't think I've watched the movie in the last year. And it might even, it might be last year that you said that, but whatever you did, i was just like, my God, that's great.

00:37:26.37
Bill
You know, because yeah, Yeah, the catching, I forgot about the catching the kid out of the tree.

00:37:26.88
Mike
Yeah.

00:37:30.20
Mike
Right.

00:37:30.39
Bill
He's like, are you ever going to say sorry? Come here, you little shit singer.

00:37:33.83
Mike
Say thank you.

00:37:33.85
Bill
Or no, say thank you. Are you ever going to say thank you?

00:37:35.46
Mike
Right. Right.

00:37:36.28
Bill
Get back here. God, you little shit.

00:37:38.33
Mike
hey

00:37:38.62
Bill
I'm not coming back. deck I'm not coming back tomorrow.

00:37:40.86
Mike
Right.

00:37:41.33
Bill
I'll gal be back.

00:37:42.59
Mike
Yep. Right.

00:37:45.15
Bill
Oh, yeah. but the But yeah, at the end, all that all that stuff comes and then, yeah, he gets out of Groundhog Day and gets the beaver.

00:37:54.20
Bill
Bringing that all full circle, right?

00:37:55.80
Mike
right

00:37:56.95
Bill
Nice.

00:37:57.42
Mike
All right. Anyway, so enough Groundhog Day. Let's talk control.

00:38:01.11
Bill
No, but I really do.

00:38:01.82
Mike
Lack of control.

00:38:02.07
Bill
I like...

00:38:02.90
Mike
That is our fucking dilemma.

00:38:05.62
Bill
Exactly. So, um and again, this came from literally from that conversation I was just talking about a minute ago, but so control issues, obviously from the podcast, we know that. And two things that I wrote this down.

00:38:16.50
Bill
I know we both like to control things. That's a fact. I wasn't going to ask, by the way, Mike, do you like to control things?

00:38:19.24
Mike
Sure.

00:38:21.56
Mike
Yes. Yes.

00:38:23.33
Bill
Cause I know better. Same thing with me.

00:38:24.60
Mike
yes

00:38:25.01
Bill
I know better. ah But I do have two questions. So number one, um how how are things different for you versus when you first got sober? And I don't mean like full blown, crazy drunk or whatever.

00:38:37.81
Bill
Take even the first 30 days, however you want to take it.

00:38:38.07
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:38:40.29
Bill
When you got a little bit of like sobriety under your belt, you don't have to be necessarily brand fucking new.

00:38:44.17
Mike
All right.

00:38:45.73
Bill
But how are things different for you now versus then?

00:38:49.69
Mike
Right. um Well, it's it's, let's see, saying the serenity prayer over and over and over it head thousands of times.

00:38:56.73
Bill
hey

00:38:59.58
Mike
um Yeah, you know, this shit sinks in, you know. i Yes, I still like to control things, but um I also know my limits and I i'd like to control things that I actually can control um as opposed to trying to control things that I absolutely cannot control.

00:39:19.19
Bill
Right, right.

00:39:20.31
Mike
Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, that's that's the difference, you know, and in learning, you know, learning but what those things are, you know, things that i can that I do have control over, you know, myself, my responses, my, well, not my feelings, but ah but, yeah, my responses to things and and and the things that, you know, I i can't think of a specific thing example right now but you know yeah the things that i actually can control um as opposed to the things that i can't and and and letting go of the things that i can't control um and and it's a hell of lot easier doing it that way than trying to control shit that i can't control yeah

00:39:58.27
Bill
right

00:40:05.08
Bill
right and and i'll answer well i guess i'll just answer that for me first and i got the the second one too that you you kind of already answered but i'll point to in a minute um but you know and and i was thinking about the the same thing as the it's kind of weird because i and i told you um off the recording i think last week of the week before whatever it was that i just got a new phone And which now everything, everything now works.

00:40:11.81
Mike
mm-hmm hmm right

00:40:25.22
Mike
Right.

00:40:27.29
Bill
The only thing I haven't been able to do is, is actually test if my, um, cause basically it's supposed to satellite supposed to work on a couple of different apps when I lose a signal and I'm on satellite, but I haven't been able to test that yet.

00:40:39.08
Bill
But, uh, my text messages that were fucked up, everything's all fixed.

00:40:39.51
Mike
Right.

00:40:42.28
Bill
But the um so the same thing that happened when it it was in the summer that we got sober.

00:40:42.65
Mike
Cool.

00:40:47.91
Bill
So a couple of months, that was when ah mom and I went out looking for phones. We were trying to get i was trying to get an iPhone at the time, which is going to be more expensive.

00:40:51.72
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

00:40:54.36
Bill
And, you know, i made sure that I even talked to Kathy and talked to mom. And like, do I even want is it OK? I was almost literally asking permission to spend money on this because I didn't know if if if I should, you know, and we went to went to one store and then mom's like, oh, we'll go back home.

00:41:02.78
Mike
m Right.

00:41:09.54
Bill
We'll go this. We'll look at this and blah, blah, blah. And I felt uncomfortable because I felt I was forcing things. Right. And I just said, but whatever reason, this didn't work out. And I just, I'm going to leave it.

00:41:19.94
Bill
And she was like, really? She's like, I'd run around and do whatever.

00:41:22.01
Mike
if

00:41:22.90
Bill
And I'm like, I know. But I said, I don't, I don't know why, but I'm just, I'm going to leave it. So in in this one, um i ended up going to, I would literally that day, but I mean, I had i had the time. I wasn't forcing anything, but here was the difference that I thought about that that time years ago with this one.

00:41:38.26
Mike
Right.

00:41:38.58
Bill
I went to three stores that day looking at trying to get a new phone. And because in between, I ended up calling customer service at one point because one guy, I waited like 20 minutes at this store in Maryville. And the guy's like, he goes, yeah, the the phone that you want doesn't do the things you want.

00:41:52.26
Bill
I'm like, are you sure? And he's like, yeah, I'm sure. The only thing that I could figure is that for whatever reason, for what I wanted to do, he wasn't going to make any money or not a lot.

00:41:59.10
Mike
but Right. You're eight.

00:42:00.21
Bill
So he blew me off.

00:42:00.26
Mike
Not as much.

00:42:01.37
Bill
Yeah, blew me off to go to, because all I'm doing, when I'm doing a phone switch out.

00:42:04.79
Mike
Yeah.

00:42:04.93
Bill
I'm really, i mean, it's not, and i I could see it now. Then I went to a non-authorized retailer. Then I went to one other store just to check in. And they were all kind of fucking use useless, you know, is what really what it came down to.

00:42:14.95
Mike
Yeah.

00:42:16.45
Bill
um You know, but then I ended up ordering. I just ordered the phone online and and ended up getting it, blah, blah, blah.

00:42:20.60
Mike
Yeah.

00:42:21.61
Bill
But, um, but at at, at the time I was going to these stores, I'm like, first of all, um, I got the time it was, it was whatever it was that I did it.

00:42:21.74
Mike
Great.

00:42:29.03
Bill
It happened to be a a nice day. It wasn't fucking freezing. Um, you know, i was out it was just taking a drive.

00:42:32.12
Mike
Mm.

00:42:34.35
Bill
I wasn't, it wasn't affecting anything in my life, you know, and I'm out listening to podcasts and in the car and I'm like, fuck it.

00:42:37.33
Mike
Right. Right.

00:42:41.36
Bill
Because I thought about that. I'm like, I'm like, am I pushing this? I'm like, fuck no, I'm not. I'm like, I'm I would like to get it and I want i want to get a straight fucking answer is what I want.

00:42:50.30
Mike
right

00:42:50.38
Bill
You know, and if somebody has the phone, I said, I would rather get it now than try to get it during the week and whatever. um But, you know, the the control part of it, it is kind of funny.

00:43:00.71
Bill
It was the same exact circumstance, literally, you know, like less than, well, probably 15 and a half years later that I had the had the conscious thought of, am I am i pushing this?

00:43:07.13
Mike
Right.

00:43:11.60
Bill
am i Am I trying to control something, you know?

00:43:12.23
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:43:13.80
Bill
So I think that's the difference.

00:43:13.85
Mike
Right.

00:43:15.04
Bill
I know that I know that I still want to push things. I know that I still want to control things. But I think I have more of a a handle on what I'm doing.

00:43:20.78
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:43:23.90
Bill
I think that's important.

00:43:25.42
Mike
Yeah.

00:43:25.53
Bill
um but But the second part of the question, and I think you answered this already, was I said, what are the good qualities about controlling things? So you said you said controlling your actions and what else?

00:43:32.30
Mike
Hmm.

00:43:35.41
Bill
Not your feelings, but your actions.

00:43:36.54
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:43:36.81
Bill
And

00:43:37.38
Mike
um yeah died Responses.

00:43:40.31
Bill
OK, there you go.

00:43:40.79
Mike
Yeah, reactions.

00:43:40.94
Bill
And I there we go.

00:43:42.15
Mike
Actions and reactions. How about that?

00:43:44.38
Bill
Yeah, and i I agree with you. And that's what, when I wrote it down, I hadn't really thought about what the good things were.

00:43:46.30
Mike
Yeah.

00:43:49.70
Bill
But um I mean, yeah in controlling, um I was going to say our emotions, but that's our reactions, right?

00:43:50.18
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:43:54.74
Mike
Right.

00:43:54.94
Bill
um Our feelings are are actually our reactions to things. So you're not, i I don't think you're completely off by saying feelings, but, you know, I mean, we don't, I don't really focus feelings.

00:44:01.79
Mike
Hmm.

00:44:04.73
Mike
Yeah.

00:44:05.80
Bill
feelings. Um, but it is, you know, how are we reacting to, you know, people, places and things, you know, but what was, what was funny was, and I think you relate to this, that, and I think it might've been Steve that this said this, he goes, he goes, listen, he goes to this day, he goes, I like to control things.

00:44:06.52
Mike
Nope.

00:44:10.44
Mike
Yeah. Uh-huh.

00:44:22.56
Bill
He said, but he said, but I get shit done.

00:44:23.17
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:44:26.25
Bill
Yeah.

00:44:26.84
Mike
Yeah. Right?

00:44:28.60
Bill
And I'm like, there you go. You know, I mean, it's, and really when it comes down to it, kind of what I was trying to, literally, I was trying to, you know, question myself and test myself with this whole phone thing.

00:44:31.06
Mike
Yeah.

00:44:39.76
Bill
And like, am am I being, not that destructive, you know, that's the wrong word for it, but.

00:44:40.06
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:44:43.66
Mike
Right.

00:44:44.57
Bill
am I going against what I truly believe, even though it's just a fucking phone, you know, um, am I going against my, my thought patterns and my ideals on what I want to do or what I don't want to do by doing this?

00:44:49.02
Mike
Right.

00:44:55.25
Bill
am like, ah, fuck it. Am I hurting anything? You know, with this part of it, but I mean, we, I think we both know we can hurt the fuck out of some things with too much control, right?

00:44:57.24
Mike
Right.

00:45:03.47
Mike
Sure. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

00:45:06.46
Bill
Without a doubt, I would think, right?

00:45:07.68
Mike
Yeah. Right, right. But and again, you know, um we've learned. Yes, we've learned to kind of harness it. And and again, it it is part of letting go.

00:45:19.78
Mike
yeah you know, yes, I want to control everything. Yes, I want it to go the way I want it to go blah, blah, blah. But but we realize that that's insane. so you know, yeah.

00:45:28.73
Bill
Right.

00:45:32.22
Mike
Yes, I want things to go the way I want them to go, but I know they're not going to. um All I can do is, you know, manage myself in the situation of all the stuff that's going on outside of me. And, um yeah you know, um but did yeah. But yeah again, yeah, I like that, Steve. like We get shit done. Yeah.

00:45:54.23
Bill
Yeah, I know. when When he said that, I'm like, and I literally, I wrote that down to you. know i I like to control things, but I get shit done.

00:46:00.97
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:46:02.10
Bill
And I'm like, yeah, that that is.

00:46:02.33
Mike
Right.

00:46:03.90
Bill
I mean, if you're if you're getting shit done and in the the things you are, and I think that the main thing, and that's why, again, trying to trying to question, not quiet I guess, question myself with the whole phone thing, it's just...

00:46:13.93
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:46:13.98
Bill
Am I doing something that's, that's damaging to me or, or things in general, not like, you know, smashing something damage, damageable, but you know, am I damaging something by, by doing this?

00:46:17.34
Mike
Right.

00:46:22.01
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

00:46:25.28
Bill
Am I, am I crossing a line, even though it'd be a little one? I don't want to, you know, and, but the same thing, I mean, there are certain things that we have to, every once in a while, somebody has got to fucking step up, you know?

00:46:29.59
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:46:34.86
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:46:35.64
Bill
I mean, if you're, if you're in a group and everyone's just standing around i'm like, Oh, okay.

00:46:39.96
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:46:40.28
Bill
Um, what do we do?

00:46:40.66
Mike
Uh-huh. Mm-hmm.

00:46:42.28
Bill
Sooner or later, somebody has got to say, we're going this way. Fuck it.

00:46:45.08
Mike
Yep.

00:46:45.43
Bill
You know, you want to follow me? Fine. Follow me. Or, you know, so what do you want for dinner?

00:46:48.08
Mike
ahha

00:46:49.82
Bill
Yeah.

00:46:50.26
Mike
yeah

00:46:51.74
Bill
what do you work that that laugh

00:46:57.88
Bill
like Like the meme, the woman in prison so you know on her on her last night, her last meal.

00:47:01.78
Mike
here yep

00:47:04.12
Bill
I don't know. What do you want for dinner? yeah

00:47:07.58
Mike
know

00:47:08.82
Bill
All right. But anyhow, so anything else on un control?

00:47:12.44
Mike
Nope.

00:47:13.21
Bill
Okay. i You know what? There's something that we can control right now is when we take a fucking break.

00:47:16.57
Mike
hey

00:47:17.45
Bill
Hey.

00:47:17.53
Mike
Hey, that was pretty goddamn slick. Well, you know what?

00:47:23.22
Bill
yeah

00:47:23.45
Mike
We're going to let our advertisers have a little control and we'll be right back after these words from them.

00:47:40.44
Bill
All right, everyone. Welcome back.

00:47:45.19
Mike
Hey.

00:47:45.98
Bill
yeah You're just, you're kind of funny. It's like, oh, that sounds kind of slick.

00:47:49.81
Mike
Yeah, was.

00:47:51.19
Bill
yeah know Every once in a while, you know, it's the sun shines on a fucking dog's ass every once in a while. But um yeah, so so there. OK, I think I have. Actually, I don't think I have.

00:48:01.30
Bill
what Why do I lie to you like that? I do have.

00:48:03.78
Mike
know. Yeah, yes.

00:48:05.53
Bill
I do have. I have things that I don't think I have some things that I could that I could read off of.

00:48:08.54
Mike
h

00:48:09.93
Bill
I have things. So I'm just going to pick the last thing that I wrote down, which is some guy grant me.

00:48:10.94
Mike
All right.

00:48:14.72
Bill
OK, you ready? Okay, so today i will spend five minutes. and We were kind of talking about this a few minutes ago. Today i will spend five minutes just sitting and relaxing.

00:48:26.41
Bill
Okay? Now, in parentheses, I put, do you ever just sit for any amount of time and just relax with no other things going on, no other just whatever, just sit and just fucking relax.

00:48:36.25
Mike
Right.

00:48:39.70
Mike
Oh, yeah. Occasionally I do. Yeah. I mean, not for a a long time, but yeah, I I'll find myself just like sitting there, you know? And I mean, a lot of times when I get home, um, yeah, I'll just like sit for five minutes. Yeah. And not do a goddamn thing.

00:48:59.42
Mike
you know, put the phone down and, and, and just, you know, don't turn the TV on yet. And just, just fucking quiet. Ah, sit here for a minute. Yeah, I do.

00:49:10.71
Bill
Yeah, you know what? And I just I I think that that would be a rarely for me as far as as far as just sitting around anywhere. You know, like if like what I'm here, for instance, I mean, except me.

00:49:19.03
Mike
Right.

00:49:23.07
Bill
But I mean, still, I'm fucking around my phone at night.

00:49:24.95
Mike
Right.

00:49:26.01
Bill
You know, I mean, after I brush my teeth and take my contacts out, I sit, but I'll scroll through my phone, you know, at that point.

00:49:31.32
Mike
Right.

00:49:31.66
Bill
And even when I'm doing my readings, I'm doing my readings.

00:49:35.70
Mike
Right.

00:49:35.96
Bill
I think the only time when I sit and I've done nothing like that is if I'm on a hiking trail and I get to some overlook or something like that.

00:49:44.48
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:49:45.38
Bill
And it's just so goddamn quiet or whatever the case is. And I've done that before. I've sat down by lake or somebody, a water or whatever.

00:49:53.82
Mike
Right.

00:49:54.04
Bill
And, you know, at that point just sat there, you know, for specific amount of time thinking, okay, I got to sit here for five minutes, time to relax, but just sat there and just, you know, kind of taken in the nothingness of what's going on, you know, but,

00:49:59.42
Mike
Yeah. Right.

00:50:06.71
Mike
is Yeah. Just be man.

00:50:11.03
Bill
Yeah. But in a normal day, I mean, I probably should every once in a while do that.

00:50:15.19
Mike
this

00:50:16.05
Bill
I think that that wouldn't be a bad thing to do. But when that's the reason I wrote that down, because the – and once again, I try not to think about this shit too much.

00:50:18.65
Mike
Right.

00:50:24.29
Bill
But I just – the flashing thought was you'd never do that like me, you know?

00:50:28.18
Mike
Right? Yeah. yeah

00:50:29.56
Bill
But, yeah, I just –

00:50:30.90
Mike
Yeah, im right. I mean, yeah most people don't. I mean, we've got to be fucking constantly stimulated by something or other. i mean, you know, I've talked about when I'm out on the road driving. I mean, sometimes I'll like, you know, okay, I've but i've driven long enough. i have Time to put a podcast on or, you know, um because, I mean, I have the radio on when i start my day because there's traffic every 10 minutes. So, i you know, you know i I do that and see what the hell's going on in the world and blah, blah, blah. But, yeah.

00:50:59.64
Mike
Yeah, you know, i' I'll be driving along and it's been quiet for an hour and it's like, yeah, so I should probably throw a podcast on because whatever. and And I'll go, yeah, you know what? I'm going to drive a little bit longer without anything. And and I do. Yeah, just quiet, man.

00:51:18.42
Mike
Everybody shut up. Right.

00:51:22.42
Bill
Well, and we had talked about that at the one time and I, and same thing. I mean, I do that, you know, I haven't driven a lot lately, but, um but when I, when I have, especially these, these long trips, I'll do that every once in a while, you know, and it is, it's just nice to just drive along and just listen to the road noise, you know?

00:51:28.38
Mike
Right.

00:51:33.34
Mike
Yeah.

00:51:38.36
Mike
Yeah.

00:51:38.46
Bill
And, you know, the little bit of road noise or or a little bit of nothing. But but we we had talked about that once again, probably a year, if not longer ago, about, um you know, they again, before we got sober, realizing that we could not not that we didn't want to, but we could not sit by ourselves because the the silence was was deafening and our lives were so fucked up.

00:51:46.65
Mike
he

00:51:53.69
Mike
Yeah.

00:51:56.34
Mike
Right.

00:52:01.68
Bill
um I mean, I didn't want to be I didn't want to be with by myself or in my thoughts or anything like that, you know.

00:52:01.72
Mike
Yeah.

00:52:05.24
Mike
Right.

00:52:08.00
Mike
Then we couldn't figure out why nobody else wanted to be with us either.

00:52:11.91
Bill
Right? Yeah.

00:52:12.63
Mike
Right.

00:52:12.79
Bill
Yeah. It's like, huh? Why do you want to hang out with me, man?

00:52:14.62
Mike
wo on I want to fucking hang out with myself.

00:52:18.81
Bill
Yeah. i I wonder why my wife left me, huh?

00:52:22.30
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:52:24.66
Bill
Yeah, because you're a fucking piece of shit. That's why you dumb fuck. You can't even sit with sit by your goddamn self. You can't stand you.

00:52:32.82
Mike
Right. Exactly.

00:52:35.22
Bill
You dumb fuck.

00:52:36.54
Mike
he

00:52:38.14
Bill
But yeah, it's just in. I mean, God, I remember years ago, too, that, you know, during that time frame is that. I mean, I looked at and it was almost like looking at my, you know, like a picture of myself laying my head down.

00:52:49.71
Bill
And that was the on switch for my brain. You know, as soon as my head hit the billows, when my when my brain lit up, you know, it's all this shit piling through my head.

00:52:51.90
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:52:55.38
Mike
Right.

00:52:57.11
Bill
And, you know, i mean, first of all, I mean, I'm i fucking loaded. So, I mean, you get bad sleep anyhow, um you know, but I couldn't I couldn't ever quiet down my my head, you know.

00:53:02.07
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

00:53:06.66
Bill
and And now it's the opposite because it's just it's it it's so funny, too, when I when I talked about this, the smartwatch that I have.

00:53:09.24
Mike
Yeah.

00:53:14.54
Bill
So it it tells me when when it when I went to sleep and I can only imagine that it's not just the lack of motion, but I know that's part of it.

00:53:22.89
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:53:23.78
Bill
But there's got to be something with your heart rate and whatever that it's picking up and blah, blah, blah.

00:53:24.09
Mike
Right. Sure. Mm-hmm.

00:53:28.54
Bill
But so like, for instance, if I, if I lay down and in bed at 10.05, but I looked the next day and when I look at the, uh, the app that it has, it might show 10.15, you know, that literally means that it probably took me 10 minutes to fall asleep, you know, or get to the point where I was completely out.

00:53:38.91
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:53:42.53
Mike
Right.

00:53:45.96
Bill
And I'll think back sometimes I'm like, God, was I, I'm like, yeah, I guess I did.

00:53:46.57
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:53:49.32
Bill
But there's other times when it's like, I, I laid down at 10, you know, 10.05 and it's like 10.10. don't know if it does middle, whatever. But, um you know, then it shows me that I wake up once or twice or whatever the case is.

00:54:01.16
Bill
But i never used to. it used to take me, i don't want to say forever, but it took me a while to fall asleep.

00:54:06.21
Mike
Right.

00:54:06.97
Bill
I just rarely once, once or twice, maybe three times a year. Now, do I have trouble falling asleep?

00:54:12.42
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:54:14.68
Bill
You know, and it just did that to me is a fucking gift.

00:54:15.45
Mike
Yeah.

00:54:18.56
Bill
Yeah.

00:54:18.90
Mike
Yes. Absolutely.

00:54:21.94
Bill
All right. um The second to the last one that I wrote down from Keep It Simple. You remember that book, right?

00:54:28.69
Mike
I do.

00:54:29.24
Bill
Okay. I just wasn't sure if you remember. Okay. It's been but a number of ah you know days since you've read it, so.

00:54:36.18
Mike
Sure. Yeah.

00:54:37.94
Bill
All right, so said step two speaks of came to believe, okay, which which we know.

00:54:43.20
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:54:44.02
Bill
By really believing in the 12 steps, we let them become part of us, okay?

00:54:49.04
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:54:49.33
Bill
That was part of the reading. Now, my question, though, is when did you or when do you think that you really started, like, believing? And I don't want to say buying it.

00:54:59.34
Bill
That's a bad, I don't like when people say that. But when do you think that you really started believing in the steps?

00:55:00.97
Mike
That

00:55:04.22
Bill
Not just that you knew you had to do them, but you really started believing in them.

00:55:08.86
Mike
yeah um that is, that is, when did I really start

00:55:10.10
Bill
yeah that's it That's a thinking question, isn't it? Hey, hang on one second. I just, okay, I just pat myself on the back. I don't get many of these.

00:55:20.53
Bill
Again, speaking of one, two, maybe three times a year that that I, I don't s stump you with a question, but I get one.

00:55:23.29
Mike
right

00:55:25.85
Bill
You're like, yeah, that's a good question. Goddamn.

00:55:27.45
Mike
It is. um When did I actually start to believe? um God, you know, i don't yeah i can't really pinpoint it. I don't i don't know.

00:55:40.31
Mike
i really don't. It's, you know, it was sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly, right? With us, it's slowly.

00:55:45.72
Bill
Right.

00:55:46.63
Mike
And um yeah, yeah. um I don't know. I, I'm sure within the first 90 days or so started going, yeah, you know, this shit might actually work for me.

00:56:01.30
Mike
Um, well, but, uh, again, slow process.

00:56:01.64
Bill
Right.

00:56:05.61
Mike
And I'm sure, you know, like, like all of us, there were, I, I, you know, backtrack it, you know, two steps forward, one step back, um, that kind of shit. Um, Yeah, I don't know.

00:56:17.83
Mike
I'm just glad i I do believe now. So um it's kind of irrelevant when it comes right down to it.

00:56:20.57
Bill
Right.

00:56:25.42
Mike
um When I started to actually believe, um well, I'm just glad that I do now.

00:56:31.51
Bill
Right. And you know what? um Same thing. when i When I wrote it down that one, i I didn't think about at all.

00:56:37.21
Mike
he

00:56:37.23
Bill
But as you were saying, the reason i was laughing is because I don't, I have no answer whatsoever.

00:56:39.80
Mike
Yeah. Right.

00:56:42.08
Bill
i I had the same answer that you do. And probably you have a more, you've got more detailed answer that I like this sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly.

00:56:44.06
Mike
Right.

00:56:49.85
Bill
That's a perfect way to explain it.

00:56:50.01
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:56:51.45
Bill
And then ending it off with, I believe in it now and that's all that matters.

00:56:51.58
Mike
Right.

00:56:54.65
Mike
who she Yeah.

00:56:54.78
Bill
And I'm like, God damn. I mean, no, seriously, that's I so i mean that 100 percent.

00:56:58.84
Mike
Yeah.

00:57:00.06
Bill
Honestly, that's fucking perfect because I don't and we've talked about this before, you know, that so many people that we ah that we are around that we talk to and that we were, you know, able to to work with and and again, be around and experience through this whole thing, especially early on.

00:57:01.66
Mike
Yeah.

00:57:15.85
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

00:57:17.72
Bill
hearing people talking about these, again, these light bulb, not just like light bulb moments, but flashes and, you know, the white lights type of thing.

00:57:24.09
Mike
Yeah.

00:57:26.16
Bill
And when, once I got to, yeah.

00:57:26.34
Mike
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. The Bill Wilson experience. Right.

00:57:29.69
Bill
yeah And I'm like,

00:57:30.70
Mike
Didn't he play Woodstock? Didn't they play Woodstock? The Bill Wilson experience.

00:57:34.62
Bill
but I have no idea what that is, but I'm guessing, I'm guessing. Sure.

00:57:38.30
Mike
Sure.

00:57:38.81
Bill
Sure.

00:57:39.70
Mike
The Jimi Hendrix experience.

00:57:39.93
Bill
Yeah.

00:57:41.38
Mike
The Bill Wilson experience.

00:57:44.50
Bill
Yes. You know what? The funny thing is I've got, hang on, don't forget the Jimi Hendrix thing.

00:57:49.59
Mike
Okay.

00:57:50.28
Bill
I've got a Jimi Hendrix question actually on here, too, surprisingly enough.

00:57:51.80
Mike
All right.

00:57:53.92
Bill
But um but yeah, it it really used to it used to make me mad because I'm like, I want to fucking you know flash or something.

00:57:54.26
Mike
All right

00:58:00.41
Mike
right.

00:58:00.68
Bill
You know, so I mean, why why can't I? i can

00:58:03.06
Mike
Where's my goddamn flash of light? Right.

00:58:05.37
Bill
Yeah, why can't I get a goddamn revelation?

00:58:08.49
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:58:09.14
Bill
I'm like I'm doing all the fucking work. What the fuck, man?

00:58:11.32
Mike
right

00:58:14.17
Bill
But no, I just say, I thought that was it was an interesting thing. and for Same as I say a lot lot of times. I've read the goddamn book probably five years, six years.

00:58:24.72
Bill
I don't know how fucking long I've read it. A long time.

00:58:26.61
Mike
Oh, right.

00:58:26.84
Bill
And it's never really, clearly never popped out at me before because I think I would have been like, eh, whatever, you know.

00:58:32.51
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:58:34.36
Bill
But I don't know.

00:58:34.97
Mike
Right.

00:58:36.16
Bill
Like you said, have no goddamn idea.

00:58:37.08
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:58:41.09
Bill
None none whatsoever. so

00:58:42.71
Mike
this

00:58:43.06
Bill
But I still, I like the fact that that was a, that was a thinking question because seriously, that doesn't, like you said, what, ah what, what's your line? You know we got four things, maybe five things to talk about.

00:58:52.34
Mike
Right.

00:58:52.82
Mike
Uh-huh. All right. Okay. Okay.

00:58:54.67
Bill
It's just different versions. yeah

00:58:56.24
Mike
aha

00:58:57.66
Bill
All right. So, um, Jimi Hendrix, I wrote this down in here. It's got a long, long, long, long time ago, but I swear to God, I have Jimi Hendrix thing.

00:59:00.82
Mike
all right

00:59:04.24
Bill
First of all, um, uh, my, my question to myself was, does Mike like his music?

00:59:04.41
Mike
okay

00:59:09.70
Mike
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. um Yeah.

00:59:13.10
Bill
OK.

00:59:14.14
Mike
I mean, my my first three real albums when I was, like, young, young, young, like four years old, it was The Beatles' Abbey Road, Jimi Hendrix Experience, Smash Hits, and The Beatles' White Album.

00:59:26.26
Mike
Those were my first three albums. So, yeah.

00:59:28.25
Bill
Really?

00:59:29.08
Mike
So, Jimmy was in there. Yeah. I mean, I love Mitch Mitchell. Absolutely fantastic drummer. um You know, I... Yes, I like Jimi Hendrix's music.

00:59:39.09
Mike
Clearly, it's overplayed. um And, you know, I mean, it's, you know, it's blues based, whatever. um You know, the whole genius sonic, you know. Yes.

00:59:49.13
Mike
At the time he was he got some new stuff out of a guitar. But, you know, yeah nothing. I don't know. Yeah. I think he's a bit overrated. Yes, I like his music.

00:59:59.84
Mike
um

01:00:00.39
Bill
Right.

01:00:00.86
Mike
But, you know, ah whatever. He's not the greatest fucking thing since sliced bread. you know He was a good, solid guitar player, with you know blues-based, whatever. Yeah, with a great fucking drummer behind him.

01:00:13.66
Bill
right Well, you got to figure, too, that, I mean, he was, first of all, he was 27 when he died. Right.

01:00:17.98
Mike
Right.

01:00:18.22
Bill
And then, I mean, what year did he die?

01:00:18.40
Mike
70,

01:00:21.18
Mike
70 71. Yeah.

01:00:24.73
Bill
Okay. So, I mean, you know, it's, you know, 50 some years ago that, that he died and you figure that, I mean, like, and I think you put that, you put that probably pretty, pretty well, or as well as it could be, you know, at that time, you know, he did, did some, it's a pretty cool thing.

01:00:28.28
Mike
um yeah

01:00:35.58
Mike
yeah

01:00:37.94
Bill
It's with a guitar, but yeah, it's been 50 fucking years ago.

01:00:39.04
Mike
Yeah.

01:00:40.90
Bill
And I agree with you wholeheartedly that, yeah, depending on what you're, what you're listening to.

01:00:41.30
Mike
Right.

01:00:44.98
Bill
I mean, um I haven't actually had Jimi Hendrix pop up on, on a, a, like a Spotify um playlist that I've listened to in a long time.

01:00:51.33
Mike
hmm.

01:00:53.50
Bill
But um I mean, I, I enjoy, I enjoy Jimi Hendrix.

01:00:56.45
Mike
Sure.

01:00:56.70
Bill
I always have. So here's my, here's my story.

01:00:57.83
Mike
Yeah.

01:00:59.14
Bill
And I w and I was intoxicated at this time. So it it does, it all, it all ties in.

01:01:01.59
Mike
No.

01:01:04.26
Bill
So um Dawn, that is my second ex-wife was pregnant with my son at the time.

01:01:09.03
Mike
Mm-hmm. Yes. Aha.

01:01:11.08
Bill
And I'm very pregnant if I remember correctly. So this was probably the summer before he was born. He was born in October, I'm guessing in summer. And this was back in the in the day when you could, and I'm just going to say, air quotes, borrow songs off of the internet.

01:01:18.88
Mike
Aha.

01:01:29.40
Mike
Aha.

01:01:30.58
Bill
if If anyone visit then he was old enough to remember those days or you know young enough to have heard about those days, that was a thing.

01:01:36.31
Mike
Yes.

01:01:36.38
Bill
It was called it was called file sharing. um

01:01:38.36
Mike
yes

01:01:39.58
Bill
So I would, Dawn would, I mean, again, that's the reason I'm saying she was very pregnant, she was always fucking tired. So she'd go to bed early and, you know, I'm down in the basement.

01:01:46.48
Mike
All

01:01:47.87
Bill
we had a, we had a ranch style house that was, so mom's house in Indiana was about that. It's probably a little bit bigger than that. Well, don't know.

01:01:56.57
Mike
right.

01:01:56.60
Bill
You saw it. You saw her house.

01:01:57.30
Mike
Yeah. I saw the house. You drove. Yeah.

01:01:58.78
Bill
Okay. Yeah. Nevermind. You saw it. You saw the house. So um bedroom was on one side of the house, um one corner um in the basement, all the way on the other side of the house.

01:02:00.89
Mike
Yes.

01:02:03.73
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:02:08.42
Bill
Okay.

01:02:08.81
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:02:09.72
Bill
So again, in the basement, literally on the opposite side of the house.

01:02:13.53
Mike
Right.

01:02:14.01
Bill
So as I'm, as I'm, before I'm downloading this music, you know, I got my, I got my computer with my, you know, the monster, the monster monitor, the whole bit. yeah We got, we got the whole setup.

01:02:22.03
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:02:22.35
Bill
I got speakers, you know, down here and I'm, and I'm fucking playing these songs that, you know, after I'm downloading them.

01:02:23.69
Mike
Yeah.

01:02:28.23
Bill
Right.

01:02:28.82
Mike
Right.

01:02:29.53
Bill
And I downloaded, you know, Jimi Hendrix, the song fire, which I fucking love.

01:02:32.98
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:02:34.35
Bill
And I'm listening to it.

01:02:34.62
Mike
Right.

01:02:35.83
Bill
And I, of course I've been drinking all night and, um, you know, sitting there and just fucking jamming this thing.

01:02:38.00
Mike
Right.

01:02:41.07
Bill
And then I kind of feel something, not feel something, but I feel like somebody looking at me

01:02:46.26
Mike
Yeah, right, right.

01:02:47.77
Bill
And I look around and there's Dawn. She's just fucking pregnant as shit, you know? She's got a robot. She's a robot, you know?

01:02:58.33
Bill
It's tied, but you know what I mean? She's fucking pregnant.

01:02:59.99
Mike
Yeah. Yeah, right. Yeah. Terry Cloth basketball.

01:03:04.50
Bill
yeah She's standing at the, I'm against the one wall and she's standing at the, at the doorway the where their arms crossed and I just turn it down.

01:03:11.70
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:03:12.70
Bill
And of course I got beer sitting on the, on the computer desk.

01:03:15.38
Mike
All right.

01:03:15.46
Bill
And she's like, she's like, this is what you're down here doing. I'm like, Oh, I'm just, just downloading some music.

01:03:19.06
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:03:21.51
Bill
And she's like, and drinking beer. And i'm like, well, yeah, I grabbed a ah beer.

01:03:26.01
Mike
Sure.

01:03:27.02
Bill
She's fucking walked away, went back to bed. And I slowly kind of wrapped up my my musical thing that night. And I think just sauntered up to, or, you know, kind of sauntered up to bed.

01:03:38.71
Bill
But yeah, so that was my, literally, i don't remember how long I've had that on here. Long fucking time. I'm like, it's some, I keep forgetting, kept forgetting it was on there. And then, yeah, just the fact that you mentioned Jimmy Andrews.

01:03:49.34
Mike
if you could

01:03:49.56
Bill
But I don't think I should bring that up to her either. she wouldn't She wouldn't remember, and she'd probably remember and be fucking pissed at me to this day, which she should be.

01:03:55.45
Mike
Right.

01:03:58.07
Mike
Yes.

01:03:59.64
Bill
All right. So um let's go back to a little – let's go back to a tidbit. Okay. So um everyone knows our our opinion on podcasts – or I'm sorry, video podcasts.

01:04:10.92
Bill
Not just our opinion on podcasts. like Mike, what's your opinion on podcasts? you hate them or love them?

01:04:15.77
Mike
oh that yes

01:04:18.71
Bill
Fucking hate them. Fucking hate them.

01:04:20.66
Mike
right

01:04:22.01
Bill
No, but I mean, our opinion on video podcasts, we don't. We tried it once. It's a funny experience. Uncomfortable and just, you know, watching people these days. And um do you do see podcasts or clips on?

01:04:33.66
Bill
Probably not as much on Facebook as they are on Instagram. But I i mean, literally, it just...

01:04:36.57
Mike
Right.

01:04:40.22
Bill
ah Whether it's two people or however know whatever number of people, it's just literally there's most podcasts, 80% of them the clips they have on social media is just people sitting there with their like their hand on their chin or trying to look like they're doing something or nodding every once in a while.

01:04:43.66
Mike
Right.

01:04:55.76
Bill
It just looks so fucking stupid and so goddamn fake.

01:04:56.21
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:04:58.84
Mike
Right.

01:05:00.07
Bill
There's no value to it, my opinion, you know?

01:05:01.66
Mike
Now.

01:05:02.03
Bill
And even with, like i like I said, what's his face? Bradley Cooper was on Joe Rogan and said that he he actually likes to sit down and he will watch the podcast. He watches it you know before he goes to bed.

01:05:11.36
Mike
Yeah.

01:05:12.03
Bill
And I'm like, I don't know. I watch TV. I watch a sitcom, not a goddamn podcast, you know?

01:05:15.54
Mike
yeah right well i mean you know and they're evolving you know clearly they you know like what we do is basically comes out of radio um but um yeah i mean they're they're they're evolving into talk shows you know which is fine i mean you know apparently netflix just bought a bunch of them and they're gonna put them on um Yeah.

01:05:25.47
Bill
Right.

01:05:38.47
Mike
And that's what they are. They're talk shows, which is fine. Interview shows, chat shows, whatever. I mean, you know, and and clearly late nights dying. and And so that's it's all, you know, it's changing, you know, Johnny Carson and and David Letterman.

01:05:51.71
Mike
And that's that's all gone away. craig ferguson the best one um you know but that's all going away they've evolved into podcasts and then podcasts are evolving into johnny carson um you know and that's fine whatever um but yeah i mean and i just i have no interest in watching a podcast watching an interview show um

01:05:55.64
Bill
Right.

01:06:04.22
Bill
Right.

01:06:16.24
Mike
You know, yeah, I like listening to interviews. And so, yeah, yeah, that's it, whatever.

01:06:20.16
Bill
Right.

01:06:23.00
Mike
It's whatever floats your boat, man.

01:06:24.92
Bill
Right. And, you know, that's a good point about the because there there are some of the there are very few clips that I see that are that are filmed. And I'll just say filmed or shot like a like a talk show where you can see both people.

01:06:36.47
Mike
Right. Yeah. Right. Mm-hmm.

01:06:39.00
Bill
You know, usually it's the it's the the top to bottom, the side by side, you know, or it's the this person's on camera, then that person's on camera, then this person.

01:06:46.49
Mike
Right.

01:06:47.03
Bill
It's like a Zoom meeting, you know.

01:06:48.28
Mike
Yeah.

01:06:48.35
Bill
Those I, I, I, I guess it makes more sense now that you said that hadn't thought about that. if If somebody wants to do a, you know, a talk show type of format where you can see both people.

01:06:56.41
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:06:57.02
Bill
I mean, I guess that there's maybe there's a space for that.

01:06:57.43
Mike
Right.

01:06:59.85
Bill
Clearly there is, like you said, I heard about the Netflix thing and um you know, and YouTube is all over it and blah, blah, blah.

01:07:02.65
Mike
Right.

01:07:05.65
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:07:05.69
Bill
So I get it, you know, but here's the other thing that, and there's a, I'm I'm not going to mention the name of the podcast. I wouldn't do it anyhow, but just in general, well if I hate it on my wood, but I don't hate these folks.

01:07:17.37
Bill
they're They're people that we know. um it has done we You and I met them at one point ah a few years ago, let's put it that way. And they had the their podcast was going a certain way and then they they ended up doing you know kind of a almost like a makeover of it.

01:07:32.97
Bill
It was around the first of the year or shortly before. Said, you know, kind of change the the the name. that This doesn't fit us anymore. We're going to do this. This is kind of more what we do. And I and I read this whole um this like almost almost like a release that they did.

01:07:41.55
Mike
Yeah.

01:07:45.45
Bill
And I'm like, it makes sense. Like they're switching this sort of thing, you know.

01:07:48.41
Mike
Sure. Right.

01:07:49.02
Bill
And I was like, well it's kind of cool. You know, and then, you know, they change the name and whatever. And I'm, you know, because they're like, yeah, this name doesn't fit us anymore. Because the first thing as a side note, I'm like, I'm like, God, I'm just so happy that I can't ever see us.

01:07:55.20
Mike
Right.

01:08:00.42
Bill
What what are we ever going to change our name to? you know, sober now mature.

01:08:02.59
Mike
Right. Yeah, right. Right.

01:08:04.94
Bill
I don't think so.

01:08:05.58
Mike
gee Right.

01:08:05.78
Bill
It just, you know, so I'm just at number one.

01:08:05.95
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

01:08:09.14
Bill
I was kind of glad I'm like, I'm i'm glad that we if we ever want to change what we somehow, whatever our, our fucking format is, which we don't have one to begin with, but I don't see us ever having to change a name, which is wonderful to me.

01:08:16.57
Mike
right

01:08:21.15
Bill
I'm happy.

01:08:21.21
Mike
me right

01:08:22.58
Bill
But so then I start seeing their, their clips and their ones that they're, they're starting to do when they've done it before, but they're doing more video clips and stuff like that. And, um, I'm listening, just listened to a couple of the clips and basically it's taking, um, don't know, give me a, give me a recovery topic.

01:08:37.95
Bill
Just pick any topic that, that you might want to talk about in recovery. It doesn't matter what it is I'm going to put you on the spot here.

01:08:42.86
Mike
Relapse. My favorite.

01:08:43.77
Bill
Okay. Okay.

01:08:44.47
Mike
Yeah.

01:08:45.53
Bill
Okay, so, Mike, when I was when i was drinking and and I would relapse and I was thought, man, my my life is over, you know, and and I just didn't know what to do and everything was was falling apart, my family and my friends, and I just realized one day that I just didn't need alcohol anymore, you know.

01:08:47.70
Mike
Yes. Yeah.

01:09:04.49
Bill
It's like that.

01:09:05.91
Mike
Ah.

01:09:06.68
Bill
And I'm like, oh my God, just, and these are, these were, they were more, more upbeat people. Okay.

01:09:13.05
Mike
Right, right.

01:09:13.40
Bill
But now they're that.

01:09:14.81
Mike
e

01:09:15.54
Bill
And I'm like, and then then on top of it with these video edits of this one, they had like four people on there. They do a lot of editing. The audio is never out of sync.

01:09:25.78
Bill
So the audio is perfect. Okay.

01:09:28.18
Mike
Yeah.

01:09:28.50
Bill
Never hear any, any mix in the audio, but the, you can see the, the video it's like click clip, clip, clip, clip.

01:09:34.33
Mike
Yeah.

01:09:35.85
Bill
I'm like, Oh my God. So they're going editing crazy, you know?

01:09:38.97
Mike
Right.

01:09:39.35
Bill
And I'm just like, ah Jesus Christ, you know, again, do, do their own thing. I don't know how they're doing. i don't know how their numbers are anything like that, but I'm like, man, you guys, I don't, I don't understand. It's like, they're taking, they're taking this thing. Yes. Everything.

01:09:52.31
Bill
I don't think that you and i are disagreeing the fact that, that recovery and alcoholism and drug addiction and all this sort of things.

01:09:59.99
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:10:00.17
Bill
It's can be a fucking tragedy, right?

01:10:02.20
Mike
Sure.

01:10:02.87
Bill
Okay. People die.

01:10:04.73
Mike
Yeah.

01:10:04.82
Bill
No games, right? Give us the no games.

01:10:06.62
Mike
Yes. No games in these rooms.

01:10:08.47
Bill
Thank you, Danny. So, and, and 100%, I agree with that, but Jesus Christ.

01:10:10.56
Mike
Thank you, Danny.

01:10:15.89
Bill
I mean, there's a point where I'm not saying that, I mean, i don't know. We, I think that we, everyone, hopefully that listens to us realizes that yes, we take this, our recovery seriously, but everything does not have to be a fucking downer and who wants, there's so much fucking bullshit going on in, in the world.

01:10:26.97
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:10:29.85
Mike
Right. Yeah.

01:10:35.38
Bill
who wants to Who wants to come on and spend an hour and a half listening to two fuckheads like us bring them down even goddamn further?

01:10:40.92
Mike
Right. Yeah, right. Exactly. i mean, what happened to happy, joyous, and free?

01:10:47.96
Bill
Right. Thank you.

01:10:48.70
Mike
Does anybody remember Laughter.

01:10:48.84
Bill
Yeah, thank you.

01:10:55.13
Bill
Yeah, and you know the thing of it is, if ah ah same thing. If anyone has listened to us for a while, um I mean, we've lost some friends. We've lost you know people. We've talked about ah a whole host of of tragic things.

01:11:09.59
Bill
And you know we we know when to be serious.

01:11:09.99
Mike
Yeah.

01:11:11.67
Bill
We know when to bring it down. We know when we have to, not have to, but you know we know we need to talk about the dead dog.

01:11:16.44
Mike
Yeah.

01:11:18.33
Bill
but

01:11:18.42
Mike
Right. Exactly.

01:11:20.89
Bill
Try to come out you know come out of a, bring it up into upbeat.

01:11:23.51
Mike
Goddamn uptempo record.

01:11:26.05
Bill
talking about a dead dog i think that was wasn't that the sarah episode that you brought you brought some other dead motherfucker into the thing too and i'm like jesus christ it's all god it's the whole fucking thing about death the fuck man can we spread it out a couple episodes but um i don't know i just say again what like you said whatever floats your boat i mean i Um, they, they're, they're, they're cool people.

01:11:27.53
Mike
Yep.

01:11:33.94
Mike
i Right.

01:11:37.43
Mike
he

01:11:49.98
Bill
And, um, I, they had, they had a thing and I understood that the name change in their, their release and their mindset about what they were doing. It just like, just fucking bring this, bring this shit back up.

01:12:00.10
Bill
You guys, I don't know. I just say it, it pains me a little bit. and I don't know why I should care. You know, I, I shouldn't care, you know, but, um, I just, when, when you see two people like that, that, um,

01:12:07.54
Mike
Right.

01:12:11.93
Bill
you know Again, i I know how they were when would you and I had the encounter with them versus how they are now.

01:12:14.75
Mike
Yeah.

01:12:17.33
Bill
And I'm just like, well, that's just kind of fucking weird to me.

01:12:17.46
Mike
Right.

01:12:19.73
Bill
So I i don't know.

01:12:20.09
Mike
Yeah, exactly. Right. and Well, and again, attraction rather than promotion, you know.

01:12:25.15
Bill
Right.

01:12:25.21
Mike
yeah I don't want to be associated with people that are fucking bummed out all the time. Yes, it's, yeah i mean you know, yes, shit's serious and and and you have to give it the gravitas that it deserves.

01:12:38.04
Mike
But, um yeah, happy, joyous, and free, man. i didn't get fucking sober to be bummed out.

01:12:42.10
Bill
Right.

01:12:45.02
Bill
Right. Yeah. And you know what? I don't know. He would win. Well, it's kind of funny when, when, when Shirley had commented about, you know, when I talked about my my fucking heart attack and she's like, she's like, God, at least you got you.

01:12:54.89
Mike
right.

01:12:56.38
Bill
She goes, I'm glad you can laugh about i'm like, well, what the fuck else am I going to do?

01:12:58.23
Mike
Right.

01:13:00.41
Bill
I mean, literally, what am i what else am I going to You know? And I mean, I did. Okay, here's the thing. Spoiler alert. I didn't fucking die.

01:13:08.89
Mike
Right. Wait, what?

01:13:10.69
Bill
i've

01:13:11.30
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:13:11.61
Bill
i I know. i mean, so so i didn't I didn't die. It didn't kill me.

01:13:15.98
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:13:16.24
Bill
You know, and mean, was the same thing. I was waiting for it when I went in, you know, for all the fucking blood work. I was prepared. Give me the next shot.

01:13:22.64
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:13:23.38
Bill
Give me the next fucking thing I got to deal with. I will deal with it, whatever it takes.

01:13:26.42
Mike
Yep.

01:13:27.28
Bill
And literally that that emotional release that I had, like, oh, my God, I guess I guess I'm going to be OK. I just had a heart attack. That's it.

01:13:33.39
Mike
Hey, yeah.

01:13:34.31
Bill
That's all that it's that's all that happened.

01:13:36.76
Mike
Yeah. People have them every day.

01:13:39.77
Bill
I know, you know, and it's just just, I don't know. It's just, fuck, what the fuck are, I mean, I don't know. Like you said, you know, it just, I don't know. Happy, joyous, and free. Why, why, why why do we all have to be anything but that?

01:13:48.47
Mike
Yep, yep.

01:13:51.06
Bill
You know, I don't know. It is, it is what it is, is, but I just, I hope maybe they'll, maybe they'll find their footing and they'll come out of it a little bit.

01:13:53.66
Mike
It is.

01:13:57.90
Bill
But um like you said, attraction rather than promotion. That's a, that's a good point. I don't need to be ever around people that are all fucking down all the time either.

01:14:03.03
Mike
Yeah.

01:14:06.00
Mike
Yep.

01:14:07.86
Bill
All right. um I know I've got, there was a couple of, hang on one second. I think I have one more. Let's let's ah slip back into a God grant me. How about that?

01:14:16.52
Mike
All right.

01:14:18.01
Bill
Um, when we were using alcohol and drugs, we knew our thinking and behavior were not balanced and sane, but we gave in into them because we had no hope.

01:14:25.90
Mike
Right.

01:14:28.37
Bill
Okay. So my question is, do you either, did you know for sure? Or do you think that you knew that you were not completely in your right mind, that you were not sane at any point during the process? Did you know that?

01:14:46.42
Mike
I mean, probably somewhere in there. But again, that would that would require me being quiet and and taking a good look at myself, none of which was going to fucking happen.

01:15:00.22
Mike
um

01:15:00.51
Bill
Right.

01:15:01.27
Mike
Yeah, so no, no. I mean, i was I was fine. Everything's fine. This is fine. Everything's fine. um I'm handling it. I'm controlling it. It's it's all good.

01:15:12.18
Mike
You know, right. You can't when you're in the midst of it, you can't allow yourself. um OK, so like when I was in San Francisco and strung out on heroin. Right. um You know, my my girlfriend was selling herself on the street and, you know, whatever. And I was starting to.

01:15:33.37
Mike
At one point, I remember thinking, you know, if I got a gun and I i could go and I could knock over some liquor stores and that could help. Right. Yeah. Right. You know, and.

01:15:44.76
Mike
And i I seriously thought that, right? I was like, considering this, you know, i could get myself a gun and I'll go knock over some little stores, some bodegas or whatever, and and, you know, get some money that way.

01:15:56.68
Mike
And, you know, and then I had ah whatever wasn't complete clarity, but it was like, you know, you actually seriously considered that you dumb fuck. Yeah.

01:16:08.63
Bill
yeah

01:16:08.73
Mike
that's for you probably need to do something about this. Um, you know, and that was, it was shortly after that I wait went with detox and went back to Sacramento and, and, you know, whatever, picked up a bottle right to fuck it away. But, um,

01:16:21.69
Mike
ah Because I wasn't ready to be sober. I just didn't want to, you know, get a gun and knock over liquor stores because that was not something I wanted to do. um So, yeah, you know, I mean, yes, ah there were, I would have flashes of, you know, you're being fucking ridiculous. um But I could never i bring myself to, you know, your your thinking is twisted and you're crazy and you're, you know, you're all fucked up. And no, I couldn't do any of that. I just, you know, I,

01:16:51.40
Mike
you're going a little too far. Maybe you need to back it up a little bit. Um, that was about as close as I could get to any sort of sanity at that point.

01:16:55.16
Bill
Right.

01:17:02.23
Bill
Yeah, you know, and literally the only thing that, and I've said it before, the only thing that I ever, I guess, admitted to, if you want to put it that way, is that at some point I knew that I would have to, know, I remember saying to myself, like, either, you know, calm down, you know, kind of mend my evil ways, you know, kind of, you know, kind of is settled down a little bit, you know.

01:17:18.67
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:17:21.85
Mike
Sure.

01:17:22.57
Bill
But I mean, you hear that all the time, you know, hey, one of these boys, you got to settle down. know, that's when you get people, people get married and they settle down and blah, blah, blah, you know.

01:17:26.42
Mike
Right. You're going to have to grow up.

01:17:30.97
Bill
Right. And, you know, at at this point, I mean, I'm in my, you know, I'm in my mid to late 30s telling myself that.

01:17:35.58
Mike
Sure.

01:17:36.21
Bill
And I mean, yeah, I mean, that that time to to grow up and and settle down, you know, i already blew through two marriages at that point.

01:17:42.74
Mike
Exactly.

01:17:43.25
Bill
So, um you know, I mean, when the next one was going to work, you know, that one was going to work.

01:17:47.70
Mike
Yeah.

01:17:48.59
Bill
But, um yeah, I just thought about that.

01:17:48.65
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:17:50.38
Bill
And I don't think that there was there was ever a time. I mean, I know for a fucking fact that I know how I was and you know how you were in the last even 30 days, 60 days, whatever it was, before we got sober, which was insane behavior.

01:18:00.06
Mike
Right?

01:18:04.11
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:18:05.67
Bill
You know, neither one of us had to sit here and, you know, go through everything that we were doing.

01:18:06.18
Mike
Sure.

01:18:09.87
Bill
You know, just understand, people, that it was insane behavior.

01:18:14.18
Mike
Yeah.

01:18:14.62
Bill
But I don't think that either one of us were sitting back and going, well, I'm not sure if I want to do this insane behavior again today, but I need to, you know?

01:18:22.00
Mike
Yeah. Yeah, right. Right. Well, yeah, I it doesn't yeah i have to. you know It doesn't fucking matter if it's crazy or not.

01:18:28.64
Bill
Right.

01:18:30.77
Mike
This is what I do. This is what I am This is what I have to do every fucking day. ah ah Lovely.

01:18:37.85
Bill
Right now, just ah as I think, as as you said before, and what a wonderful fucking way to live, I think is usually the way that you put that right.

01:18:44.42
Mike
Mm-hmm. Yes.

01:18:47.50
Bill
Sarcasm intended.

01:18:49.30
Mike
yes

01:18:50.78
Bill
All right. So um what do you say we lighten things up a little bit? I've got a couple of got a couple of articles here that I thought were kind of fun.

01:18:54.29
Mike
Let's.

01:18:58.20
Bill
So this one was kind of, first of all, the the title of the article says, there are 35 very, very boomer things. And have you done them? Now, first of all, I think you're going to agree these have nothing to do. They're not they're not literally boomer related.

01:19:14.52
Mike
Uh huh.

01:19:14.62
Bill
You know, so in anyone, everyone knows what a boomer is because it's a it's an insult these days. So I don't have to like let people know what a fucking boomer is.

01:19:19.26
Mike
Right.

01:19:21.22
Bill
But Mike and I are clearly Gen Xers. OK, so the first one is, have you ever manually cranked a car window up or down?

01:19:24.07
Mike
Right.

01:19:29.16
Bill
Well, i mean, I had several cars.

01:19:32.02
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:19:32.89
Bill
You know, it's, and that's, you know, to this day, and it's kind of funny. I remember it, uh, seeing it in a day, day, day, Dave Chappelle comedy special. Um, I, it's 20 years ago now, but he was talking about, uh, you know, being in a limo and rolling down the window and, you know, obviously he's doing the, the Craig motion.

01:19:47.62
Mike
Yeah.

01:19:49.90
Bill
He's like, yeah, he goes, it was a limo that was in the head. Craig windows. Yeah.

01:19:53.91
Mike
a

01:19:54.42
Bill
But, you know, i mean, between that and even people, people these days, you know, it's a people still say roll down the window. You know, I think you can find a young person who'll still say roll down the window, you know, even though I've never rolled down the window in their life, you know.

01:20:00.82
Mike
Right.

01:20:04.17
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:20:07.06
Mike
Right.

01:20:08.31
Bill
Okay, the second one, used a remote or, and this is a, do you remember, it said, this is a visual, but it's like, do you remember ever using a remote that somebody called a clicker that actually had hard buttons that you clicked?

01:20:20.18
Mike
Yeah. Oh, yeah.

01:20:21.30
Bill
Okay, yeah, this is a Zenith, but yeah, it's a clicker.

01:20:23.73
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:20:23.93
Bill
Yeah,

01:20:24.05
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:20:26.74
Bill
yeah watch television on a TV stand that had no remote control and just dials.

01:20:30.58
Mike
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

01:20:32.79
Bill
ah Used a computer that could not connect to the internet.

01:20:36.15
Mike
um I mean, no, but...

01:20:38.71
Bill
Really?

01:20:39.38
Mike
dan i Well, now no, I don't think so. I mean, shit, ah you know, computers were around, and I certainly didn't have one and didn't really use it, you know? Yeah, yeah.

01:20:49.38
Bill
Right. The only reason i had I ever had a computer prior to, i think the first one I bought was when Dawn and I were together. But um Mom and Larry, every time they bought a new computer, they would give me their hand-me-down.

01:20:58.57
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:21:02.78
Bill
So that's the only reason I had ah a computer. And then you know i i would it had like a word processing program. You could do resumes and play games and shit on it.

01:21:10.68
Mike
Right.

01:21:10.86
Bill
But I mean, yeah, i was I had that before that. um Ever gotten or sent a fax? I think both of us probably have used a fax machine.

01:21:16.63
Mike
Sure. Mm-hmm.

01:21:18.58
Bill
um So, so this is kind of funny. And I just laughed when I first saw this picture. Have you ever bought or gone into a bathroom that had colored toilet paper? Like, and they're showing Northern that had green, yellow, pink, blue.

01:21:29.03
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:21:31.90
Bill
Do you remember that?

01:21:32.18
Mike
Yep.

01:21:32.70
Bill
Okay.

01:21:32.70
Mike
Oh, yeah, yeah,

01:21:35.13
Bill
Watch the movie at a drive-in. Are drive-ins? There's still some stillo drive-ins around, aren't there?

01:21:38.62
Mike
yeah. there's Yeah, there's a couple here in the Cleveland area. Autorama and there's one out in Mayfield. Yeah.

01:21:45.24
Bill
And there might still be one up the road from here. I know Kathy used to take a Kylie. Kathy and Mark used to take Kylie when she was a little.

01:21:50.15
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:21:51.64
Bill
I don't know if it's still, if that's still there, but there used to be in Milwaukee.

01:21:51.83
Mike
Right.

01:21:55.24
Bill
It was called the 41 theater. I don't think it's, I don't think that one's open anymore. um Ever eaten at a Howard Johnson's restaurant.

01:22:02.84
Mike
Yeah.

01:22:03.89
Bill
yeah Yeah, so I. um I actually have i have a story about eating at a Howard Johnson's. I was fucking loaded. I was in Oshkosh going to see my, i was so hanging out with my buddy a bartender up there.

01:22:13.53
Mike
fifty

01:22:14.68
Bill
He's going to school and I was working for this company and I was working at Oshkosh.

01:22:16.06
Mike
All

01:22:18.36
Bill
I was staying there overnight and, you know, he's a bartender. So, I mean, I'm um drinking mixed drinks all fucking night, not paying for a thing.

01:22:23.68
Mike
right.

01:22:24.24
Bill
I don't remember. I couldn't figure out how to get back to the hotel. And right next to the hotel was a Howard Johnson's.

01:22:27.66
Mike
Aha.

01:22:29.28
Bill
And I hadn't eaten dinner that night, so I was able to expense my dinner.

01:22:29.46
Mike
aha

01:22:32.80
Bill
But I sat in Howard Johnson's at, you know, fucking 1.30 or 2 in the morning just trying to eat whatever I could. Fucking loaded.

01:22:40.54
Mike
Nice.

01:22:41.66
Bill
um Ever made quick when it came in a quick, Nestle quick when it came in a tin can?

01:22:46.71
Mike
Yeah, absolutely.

01:22:48.15
Bill
and know it's just kind of funny i like there's yeah there's no fucking doubt um this one's got a stupid balance to checkbook i mean i think we've all balanced the checkbook right um phone numbers and a phone book that's always the same thing there's a phone oh um if you you never really never drank any coffee prior to what you do now have you oh you did so ever um ever had freeze-dried coffee

01:22:56.06
Mike
this yeah

01:23:08.22
Mike
I mean, yeah, I did. Yeah. Yeah.

01:23:13.38
Mike
Oh, sure.

01:23:15.48
Bill
ah So did I.

01:23:16.54
Mike
Yeah, absolutely.

01:23:17.22
Bill
It's just so stupid. He's just kind of looking at this. They eat the McDonald's when they had, do you remember the styrofoam containers?

01:23:20.20
Mike
Yeah.

01:23:23.24
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:23:24.34
Bill
And again, it's same thing. McDonald's when they had smoking inside the restaurants with the little...

01:23:27.48
Mike
Well, yeah, yeah, the little tin ashtrays, right? Yeah, little gold tin ashtrays.

01:23:30.78
Bill
ye

01:23:33.65
Mike
Absolutely. Absolutely.

01:23:34.70
Bill
Yep. They're showing a picture of one right now as I'm as i'm scrolling through here. Hang on. What are some of these other ones? she just go you fuck It's just stupid. I mean, but the whole point, oh, ever use the typewriter?

01:23:45.10
Bill
I'm sure you've used the typewriter.

01:23:45.63
Mike
Yeah, sure.

01:23:46.81
Bill
yeah I mean, I was like, I got a brand new typewriter when I went to school. Okay.

01:23:50.71
Mike
a

01:23:52.47
Bill
This is the other thing is ever bought a 45. I mean, record stores are popular again. So that's not fucking boomerish, but um yeah.

01:23:56.22
Mike
Right.

01:23:59.78
Bill
So that one's okay. i'm I'm bored with this now, but was just some of these i was reading the, the quick one, the Nestle quick one is one that I was like, God, I said, I remember that one, the fucking, fucking tin, tin can.

01:24:05.37
Mike
Yeah. Yeah, take a spoon and pop the lid, right? The circular lid on the top.

01:24:11.00
Bill
Yeah. Oh yeah.

01:24:12.34
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:24:13.12
Bill
Yep.

01:24:13.80
Mike
Yep.

01:24:14.45
Bill
Yep, and then have to you know dig the dig the fucking spoon in there and then you know try not to dump it all over the counter, and usually would dump it all over the counter.

01:24:17.85
Mike
Yep.

01:24:20.60
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:24:22.17
Bill
Okay, um let's wrap up with this.

01:24:22.36
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:24:24.92
Bill
So this is, see if you agree with this, 10 comedy movie masterpieces, okay?

01:24:32.24
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:24:33.11
Bill
So great that they became the blueprint. Do

01:24:36.18
Mike
Okay.

01:24:38.55
Bill
do you ever see the movie Clerks?

01:24:40.63
Mike
Yeah.

01:24:41.24
Bill
Okay, did you like it?

01:24:42.42
Mike
ah Yeah, it was good.

01:24:43.96
Bill
Okay, that's number 10.

01:24:44.67
Mike
Yeah. Yeah, not even supposed to be here today.

01:24:50.90
Bill
um the The original naked gun from 1988.

01:24:54.10
Mike
yeah sure yeah well I mean I watched the the TV show before it was movie right help

01:24:55.01
Bill
Okay, that's that's number nine.

01:24:58.81
Bill
Yeah. So did i you you Do you remember that? is It was something about, um he walks up to the crime scene and there's like this window, somebody threw, threw a window into a Chinese rock garden.

01:25:11.61
Bill
So rather than throwing like a window through or a rock through a window, it's sort of,

01:25:12.15
Mike
<unk> through it yeah right police squad

01:25:16.79
Bill
Just, yeah, the whole fucking thing. us Yeah. And that's that's what it is. It's from the Files of Police Squad. I forget who I told that to. It was either, um that might have actually been Cousin Johnny that I told him that they were from a TV show.

01:25:31.72
Bill
And he's like, are you serious? And I say, yeah, when it says from the Files of Police Squad.

01:25:33.53
Mike
he

01:25:35.85
Bill
And he's like, that was a TV show. I said, fucking look it up. And he did.

01:25:38.47
Mike
Yep.

01:25:38.68
Bill
And he's like, oh my God. ah Number eight was Superbad. You ever see that?

01:25:45.05
Mike
Yeah. It's all right.

01:25:46.68
Bill
Yeah, i think i I think I saw that. I think I saw that once. I'm of the same opinion. Number seven, Big Lebowski.

01:25:50.46
Mike
Right. Oh, of course. Saw that in theater.

01:25:53.37
Bill
Okay. yeah Did you?

01:25:55.77
Mike
Yep.

01:25:55.93
Bill
that of Is that a fave?

01:25:58.21
Mike
Yep. I love that movie.

01:26:00.44
Bill
um Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

01:26:04.12
Mike
of course.

01:26:05.11
Bill
Number six, that I fucking love that movie. Number five, Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

01:26:12.04
Mike
Eh, you know, yeah. It was, you know, a little overrated, but yeah, good movie.

01:26:16.50
Bill
Yeah, I mean, I still, it's it's funny, but i agree with you. It's, yeah, it's that is, it was, it was a really, really good movie in its time. I mean, it was ah obviously a hit at that time.

01:26:24.06
Mike
Oh, sure. Yeah, well, but we' were yeah when we were in high school. Yeah, right.

01:26:27.61
Bill
Right. um So the movie is from 1959. Some like it hot.

01:26:33.34
Mike
Yeah, of course.

01:26:33.97
Bill
Did you, I don't think I ever saw that.

01:26:35.67
Mike
Oh, yeah. I've seen it plenty of times. Yeah. Yeah. Marilyn Monroe, uh, Tony Curtis, uh, Jack lemon.

01:26:41.85
Bill
Right. Right.

01:26:42.84
Mike
Yeah. Oh, it's, you should go watch it. It's, I mean, it's black and white, but it's fucking great.

01:26:45.97
Bill
Right. Yeah, I might might have to do that. i don't think I've seen that one before. I didn't go through this entire list. This one I know that yeah you'll agree with. Blazing Saddles.

01:26:54.30
Mike
Of course.

01:26:55.60
Bill
That's number three. um Yeah, dawn Dawn's dad used to fucking just roar laughing watching that movie. Anytime that thing would come out, he'd stop on it.

01:27:05.08
Mike
yeah Actually, I saw Blazing Saddles at the drive-in.

01:27:08.68
Bill
No, did you? have Speaking of, you fucking boomer.

01:27:09.46
Mike
Yep. Yep.

01:27:14.74
Bill
1934, It Happened One Night. That's number two.

01:27:17.35
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:27:18.08
Bill
You seen it?

01:27:18.78
Mike
Yeah, of course.

01:27:19.80
Bill
Really? Okay, I haven't seen that one. Okay, and if you had to guess the number one comedy movie masterpiece of all time, what do you think it might be?

01:27:30.49
Mike
have idea. um i have no idea

01:27:31.54
Bill
Ha ha. I know there's, there's no fucking way. Air airplane, the original airplane, which, yeah, you know, I, I think I did too.

01:27:35.54
Mike
Right. Ah, right. Saw that in the theater.

01:27:41.30
Bill
i think that I think uncle John probably took us to that one.

01:27:45.76
Mike
Mm.

01:27:46.18
Bill
um He, we, we saw the jerk.

01:27:49.40
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:27:49.72
Bill
And again, now if you know, i mean, you know, again, well, this was 1980. I was little bit older. were older than what, 12, 13 years old, but I mean, the jerk came out, what?

01:27:55.51
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

01:27:58.29
Bill
75. No.

01:27:59.80
Mike
um No, no, no. 79, 78, maybe.

01:28:00.57
Bill
no

01:28:06.64
Bill
Oh, was it? Okay. But still, I mean, i was we were like 10 or 11.

01:28:07.38
Mike
yeah

01:28:09.52
Bill
I was like 10 or 11 years old.

01:28:11.18
Mike
ahha

01:28:11.77
Bill
shot oh John took us to that. So I i don't necessarily think it was ah was a 10 or 11-year-old movie, but Candy Shacky took us to see also.

01:28:14.71
Mike
nice

01:28:18.39
Mike
now

01:28:21.91
Mike
right

01:28:22.13
Bill
Yeah. So fucking, you have a Caddyshack and the jerk. Good old Uncle John takes it. So yeah, so airplane was the Airplane was the one.

01:28:27.29
Mike
nice

01:28:29.63
Bill
So okay. But um yeah, i I'll have to to look look back at those other those other ones. Yeah, the the older movies, i haven't I haven't seen those. But I'm sure I could find it someplace. Oh, and I yeah i started watching Schitt's Creek again.

01:28:42.69
Bill
And it's on it's not on Netflix. It's on Amazon Prime now. And fucking irritating Amazon prime. What they do is that you can like, so Netflix has, ah basically you can, you can pay for a commercial level of Netflix, which is cheap.

01:28:59.72
Mike
Right.

01:29:00.09
Bill
It's like, you know, seven bucks or something like that. and It'll come with commercials.

01:29:02.66
Mike
Right.

01:29:03.69
Bill
Whatever version I pay for has been without commercials for the entire time I've had it.

01:29:04.08
Mike
Right.

01:29:07.45
Bill
Cause I never had commercials. But um Amazon Prime, you know I pay for, i have Amazon Prime, so I get free delivery and all that stuff.

01:29:08.89
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:29:12.91
Mike
Sure.

01:29:13.97
Bill
And then obviously the video comes with it.

01:29:14.45
Mike
Right.

01:29:16.67
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:29:17.21
Bill
Within the last year, they did the same thing. you know they They added commercials and you could you can buy out of them if you want.

01:29:20.09
Mike
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Right. Right.

01:29:24.82
Bill
But usually with ah with a movie, so you figure if you go in, you're going to watch a two and a half hour movie. To begin with, whatever you start off with, Peacock does the same thing with their movies.

01:29:29.95
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:29:34.28
Bill
It's like, okay, watch these commercials and then enjoy your movie. They're two or three minutes worth of commercials in the beginning.

01:29:39.57
Mike
Okay.

01:29:39.80
Bill
There might be an Amazon movie might drop another couple of minutes of commercials in the middle of a movie, if I remember. And then other than that, it's commercial free. So it's it's doesn't feel that intrusive.

01:29:49.08
Mike
Okay. Right.

01:29:51.05
Bill
But these episodes of Schitt's Creek, I mean, they're half hour episodes maybe. Right.

01:29:55.04
Mike
Right.

01:29:55.36
Bill
And I mean, they're they're dropping, you know, like three different times.

01:29:55.80
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:29:58.81
Bill
They're dropping commercials like old network TV.

01:30:01.21
Mike
Yeah, right. Yeah.

01:30:01.94
Bill
It's really fucking annoying. really fucking annoying. And I'm like, I haven't looked at it yet. Cause I, I don't know for, for as long as it takes me to get through this, not to get through, but to, to enjoy Schitt's Creek again, i may upgrade my membership just so I don't have to deal with commercials.

01:30:14.30
Mike
Right.

01:30:17.29
Bill
Cause I can't fucking stand it. And I liked, I liked the show so goddamn much.

01:30:19.33
Mike
Yeah.

01:30:20.86
Bill
I don't want to, I don't want to not watch it, you know?

01:30:21.24
Mike
Right. Right.

01:30:24.38
Bill
So it might be worth for me to spend a couple of bucks and I don't know, just, I can't, I can't stand in fucking commercials. I just can't.

01:30:30.55
Mike
Right. Yeah.

01:30:31.19
Bill
You know, I mean, it's, it's different story. If I, if I sit down and I i choose to watch network TV, a football game or something like that, or you and I hanging out, you know, or watching whatever, you know, fine.

01:30:35.64
Mike
right

01:30:38.39
Mike
right yeah

01:30:40.75
Bill
But I mean, on something I'm already paying for, I got to watch.

01:30:43.26
Mike
right

01:30:44.31
Bill
I don't know. So anyhow, um I don't know. You got, you got anything else? I mean, I get, I get nothing. i don't think that is of any, any substance unless so you get some.

01:30:54.97
Mike
No, not really.

01:30:56.47
Bill
Okay. All right. Well, I guess, I guess, guess we're done.

01:30:58.84
Mike
yeah

01:31:00.02
Bill
but

01:31:01.56
Mike
All right. Well, thank you everyone for listening to yet another episode of Sober Not Mature. always be kind to each other, be good to each other, go out and do something nice for somebody else this week and don't tell anybody you did it. Now from the bottom of my heart to the depths of my soul, from the beginning of time until the ends of the earth, always and eternally, fuck you.

01:31:27.74
Mike
Now it's time, kids. It's time for you to fuck off. Then keep fucking off. Keep fucking off until you get to a gate with a sign on it saying, you cannot fuck off past here.

01:31:39.13
Mike
Climb over that gate, dream the impossible dream, and keep fucking off forever.

01:31:45.88
Bill
Yeah.

01:31:47.13
Mike
Yeah.

01:31:48.44
Bill
And you know what? tomorrowra Tomorrow, Jesus. Next week, we actually get to get to do an episode on Friday the 13th. Look at that.

01:31:54.62
Mike
Nice.

01:31:55.45
Bill
Oh, and I just actually just booked a yeah Airbnb in Wisconsin. I'm going to be up there for a couple of weeks as of I am actually going up next Saturday and then the procedure for my new grandson is coming in the next next couple of weeks.

01:32:08.84
Mike
Ah,

01:32:10.17
Bill
So the reason I'm being vague about that, you know, Kimmy was, she she wants to, she's not broadcasting the date, which I think I might've told you already, but I'm not just not going to say it on here.

01:32:20.87
Mike
Right.

01:32:21.88
Bill
But anyhow, so yeah, I'm going up on the 14th and then I'll be up there for a couple of weeks.

01:32:24.05
Mike
Cool.

01:32:25.92
Bill
but But yeah, so it just, ah I don't know. But yeah, the, the, I saw this meme today where it said it was like, you know, fucking it Jason, you know, with like blood dripping off of his hands.

01:32:37.76
Bill
And it said, it's ah it's like when you realize that Friday the 13th and Valentine's Day are back to back.

01:32:44.99
Mike
Yep.

01:32:45.59
Bill
And he's told like two bloody calendar, like days on a calendar. I'm just like, that's fucking awesome. Yeah. So everyone, everyone look around and keep your eyes open on Instagram.

01:32:52.12
Mike
It is.

01:32:55.64
Bill
I might, Mike and I might be, ah might be dressed up like AI Friday the 13th people sometime in the next week.

01:33:01.18
Mike
Cool.

01:33:02.93
Bill
So, all right.

01:33:03.42
Mike
Nice.

01:33:04.25
Bill
Other than that, i think, you know what? I think I know what to say now. I love you, brother.

01:33:08.95
Mike
Love you too.

01:33:10.20
Bill
And we'll talk soon.

01:33:11.51
Mike
We shall.

01:33:13.06
Bill
Bye.

01:33:13.82
Mike
Bye.