SoberNotMature - Episode 166 (The Bad Boys Of Recovery - Warm Before Use)

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Bill
All right, everyone. Welcome once again to another episode of Sober Not Mature. Now, want everyone to settle down. Get in your seats. Everyone, calm down.

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Bill
The meeting's about to start.

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Mike
No shit. didn't even think about it. Go ahead.

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Bill
Everyone, everyone, calm calm down.

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Mike
tra um

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Bill
Calm the fuck down.

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Mike
If I calm down anymore down, going fall asleep.

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Bill
Is there anyone, anyone at all, that might be celebrating an anniversary of one year or more?

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Mike
Yeah.

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Mike
yeah Hey, my name's Mike. On Tuesday, I had 15 years.

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Bill
Woohoo!

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Mike
Woohoo. Hi.

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Bill
The crowd goes wild. Yes, so Tuesday, what day was that again?

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Mike
The 22nd of April.

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Bill
All right, cool. So, only other quick question for you. So, now, I mean, do you, all the things I've been talking about, do you understand now that you have more time?

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
I mean, does it all make? Ha, ha, ha, ha,

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Mike
You still got those four days on me, man.

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Bill
ah

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Mike
I'm i'm always going to be fucking playing catch up.

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Bill
ah yeah You're always older than me. I was a guy i always got more time. but yeah it's remember I can't remember who said something to me the one time.

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Mike
Right. Right.

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Bill
we were You and I were giving somebody a little bit of shit. i mean they The person, I think, had five, six, seven years at the time, and we had practically probably 10.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
Nothing hugely out of the ordinary.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
person's like, what are you going to stop giving me shit, acting like I don't know what I'm doing?

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Mike
Yep. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I know.

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Bill
Well, you better hope I start drinking again, because that's the only way that's going to fucking happen.

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Mike
I know. Oh. Right.

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Bill
If I drink again and I got to start over, then you get to tell me what to do.

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Mike
you see

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Bill
And I don't mean you, Mike, but I'm just talking about, you know, we were talking about the other one.

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Mike
yeah i know i know

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Bill
You can tell me what to do any goddamn day of the week. And you know what?

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Mike
oh

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Bill
I welcome it half the time, not even half, all the time.

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Mike
right And quite honestly, um yeah, no, we're never going to fucking stop telling you, but I am going to listen to what you have to say because, you know, I might learn something from somebody who's got five years less than me.

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Bill
I,

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Bill
Yeah. And you know what, as ah is a real quick side note, and I know we were just fucked while I was fucking around about that, but um I've been really open about it on here. And I know I've said it more than probably more than a couple of times that I love people in that two to three year range.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
um A year is cool because you see people, again, head popping out of the ass, light bulb moments, all those sort of things.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
People starting to get their shit together.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
But, you know, after that, that second and especially that second, third year, that's when, again, speaking of calming down, people kind of ease into their lives.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
that They got not only got their shit together, but they're they're moving and they're they're doing their thing.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
And, you know, there's a lot of people that are really um far more excited about this thing than you and I.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
um And not that we're not, but.

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Mike
Right. hates

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Bill
yeah

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Mike
We're just old and tired and jaded.

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Bill
Yeah. And it's just, I suppose it's just like life. You know, we've been around for a couple of minutes.

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Mike
yeah

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Bill
Uh, still just a couple of 24 is 15 is not a few, right? 20 is.

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Mike
Right. Not yet. 20.

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Bill
God damn.

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Mike
20. Good to say.

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Bill
Okay. You I just make.

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Mike
Yep. that' um That's just me. that's That's not from anywhere.

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Bill
yeah

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Mike
That's just pulling straight out of my asshole.

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Bill
It's on page. It's on page one 65. No one one and a half is where it is.

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Mike
Right. 166. Mm-hmm.

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Bill
but um But no, I mean, you it's just it is. It's kind of like life. You're like, ah you know what? I've done this shit before. I get it.

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Mike
see

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Bill
um you know You're all happy and stuff. and But you know I've seen that before and I've done it. And it's it's just part of part of our thing now, which is fine. you know We don't take it for granted.

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Mike
Yep.

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Bill
But um no, we're not skipping down the street.

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Mike
Mm-mm.

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Bill
I'm sober. I'm sober.

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Mike
Uh-huh.

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Bill
Here we are. I'm sober. I'm so sober. That

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Mike
Right. Yeah,

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Bill
was little flashback to something from about a year or so ago, year and a half ago now.

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Mike
yeah exactly. a year and a half ago now. Yep.

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Bill
But um I do have a ah programming note, but I can save that until after we do the reading.

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Mike
All right.

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Bill
um I mean, I'm sure we got, I got little side notes. I got to grant across a couple of articles. um Yeah, I don't know. I got some stuff, but I mean, this is kind of our, kind of our look at us episode.

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Bill
You know, it is a, we want to call it that it's our, it's our anniversary episode. We're coming up on our, on our anniversary weekend.

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Mike
It is.

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Bill
And, you know, I mean, we're kind of egotistical throughout the year. I'll say I am all throughout the year.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
Yeah. Listen to you.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
me

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Mike
Uh-huh.

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Bill
Oh, yeah, you fucking are. You are. yeah it's okay, Bill.

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Mike
Well, right.

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Bill
I'm going to co-sign that shit all day long.

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Mike
I don't need to co-sign that at all.

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Bill
yeah

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Mike
That's been signed, stamped, notarized. Yep.

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Bill
kind of my fucking forehead and I got the t-shirt too.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
Um, but i don't know. It's say I there's, I have a couple of different thoughts on that, but I just figured it'd be, let's get the, get the reading done. And as we always do, I almost said, get out of the way. I don't, I gotta to get away from that because I don't mean it that way.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
I love the reading. I really do.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
I enjoy it. really do.

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Mike
We get to do the reading.

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Bill
We do. We are privileged to do the reading. And I don't know.

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Mike
All

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Bill
It's kind of some pressure tonight. This is an anniversary episode. Look at us episode reading. So oh I don't know. It's got to be good.

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Mike
right.

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
Yeah, whatever. I, you know, I... Um, actually my, my, uh, God grant me book pretty much the whole week is like dog eared. Cause they're really good ones.

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Mike
And, um, I, I think we've done them all.

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
I was looking through them. I'm going, yeah, I know we did. I'm pretty sure we did that. I know we did that. So, um, this is from keep it simple.

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Bill
Cool.

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Mike
This is, uh, from like a month ago, almost, uh, March 28th.

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Bill
so

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Mike
I was flipping around looking for something and found this one. So here we go.

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Bill
cool

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Mike
All right. God is not a cosmic bellboy. Some guy named Harry Emerson Fostick. Seriously, F-O-S-D-I-C-K.

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Mike
I didn't look him up. You can go ahead and do that if you care. All right, here's the reading. We have to laugh when we look back at the times we treated the world like it ought to cater to us.

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Mike
Who did we think we were ordering the world about? But we got away with it. The world even did some of the things we asked. Now we know that our higher power is not a servant.

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Mike
As we work the steps, we know we don't give orders to our higher power. We don't expect miracles every time we'd like one. We're asking our higher power to lead us.

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Mike
After all, who knows what is best for us, our higher power or us? Our higher power has many wonderful gifts for us. Our higher power will show us goals, help us live in love and joy, and give us strength.

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Mike
Prayer for the day. Higher power, show me ways to help others as you've helped me. I'm grateful that you love me and help me. Action for the day.

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Mike
Those pesky, pesky actions. Today I'll make a list of times a higher power, a higher power, has helped me out of trouble.

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Bill
Hmm. you have a list?

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Mike
Hell no.

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Bill
So a, or let, you know, as as you like to say, which I appreciate a power greater than yourself.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
um But I mean, i guess think about that in a basic and general sense. I mean, is there some times when you feel like this or these or whatever powers there are that are greater than yourself have either kept you or helped you out of trouble?

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Mike
see

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Mike
Yeah, of course. Absolutely. um yeah yeah All I do is get myself in trouble. So anytime that I get out of trouble, it sure as hell isn't me.

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Mike
um I am the cause of all my problems.

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
Homer Simpson says, right, alcohol, the cause and solution to all of life's problems. ah i am the cause I am the cause. And yes, something bigger than me is the solution.

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Mike
Um, yeah, uh, again, I don't know. Times, I can't think of anything specifically. Um, you know, I don't know. This whole sobriety thing kind of falls under that umbrella.

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Mike
Uh, you know, I'm still breathing.

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Bill
right

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Mike
ah so that's, you know, ah clearly that's not my doing because I would be dead, running things on my own. um i mean, i the the best line out of this that I liked the most was, um ah we're asking our higher power to lead us. We're not asking it to do things for us.

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
um You know, ah when I read this earlier, i was like, it reminded me of one of my favorite Ricky Gervais lines, famous atheist, brilliant guy, funny as hell, love Ricky Gervais, right?

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Mike
um But, yeah you know, so this God, right? um He didn't stop the Holocaust, but he's going to help us find our car keys. Thank you.

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Mike
Right. You know, um no gimme prayers. No, this power greater in ourselves leads us, points us in the right direction. And then it's up to us to take the action and do the next right thing.

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Mike
You know, that's all. i mean, that's all it is for me. You know, clearly, you know, ah people, I get asked, not all the time, clearly not as much anymore, you You know, how can you be an atheist and and work the Alcoholics Anonymous program?

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
Well, it's real fucking easy. I work the fucking Alcoholics Anonymous program. You know, I realize i am not the center of the universe. I'm not running things. There are things bigger than me. And I'm a part of those things that are bigger than me.

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Mike
And if I do those things, it works.

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Bill
right

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Mike
Hmm.

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Bill
Yeah. And, you know, when when I had asked you that question to begin with about, you know, having a higher power, and that's the reason I said keep you or get you out of trouble.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
um Because, I mean, if we to your exact point and I and I agree with you completely that if if I get in trouble, I can't look over and beer or look over, up, around wherever my higher power is.

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Mike
hmm. Mm hmm.

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Bill
be like, well, what the fuck, man?

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Mike
All right.

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Bill
you know When when i you know physically took the action to get into whatever trouble I was or you know my my best thoughts, as they say.

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Mike
Mm hmm.

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Bill
you know

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
um But on the other hand, the concept and the idea and the understanding and the leaning on of a of a higher power um has kept me out of a ton of fucking trouble.

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Mike
hmm.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
I mean, a ton.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
can't, like you said, this whole sobriety thing. Yeah, that's, that's number one.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
And that's, that's the big one right there.

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Mike
Uh huh.

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Bill
um You know, I realizing, like you said, that, that, you know, what we just know you and I, if nothing else, regardless of what we believe, agnostic God guy, you know, this and that in between, I worship a cow or a horse or a fucking duck.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
It doesn't matter. um You know, ah we realize that there's a power out there, whatever it is greater than us. We're not it. No.

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Mike
Yep.

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Bill
And having, having had that simplified so early was really huge. And then little moments along the way, realizing that, um you know, how, how egotistical we are as, as Americans, you know, or as, as quote unquote Christian Americans or living in a Christian quote unquote society thinking that, oh, well this, this God thing, you know, that is on a steeple and, you know, I was on a fucking cross and in a building that that's the only thing that's,

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

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Bill
That's egotistical and not only unrealistic, you know, go to all these different countries.

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Mike
Oh, of course.

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Mike
Mm

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Bill
Alcoholics Anonymous is not just an American thing or a Christian thing, you know, it's all over the fucking world.

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Mike
hmm. No.

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Bill
And I think I've said this before on here, and it was at one of the greatest and it didn't, it wasn't an eyeopening moment, but it was really fucking nice to see it.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
Founders day. Um, the dude that read, um how it works, um,

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Mike
Mm

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Mike
hmm. Mm hmm.

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Bill
um, was from India or Pakistan or something.

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Mike
Right. Mm hmm.

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Bill
I forget where it was, but, um, I mean, he said, he said, where are you from?

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
And I'm like, this is the shit right fucking there.

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Mike
Uh-huh.

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Bill
And at that point, you know, you and I probably handful of years sober, let's do that 15 plus years sober, you know, and he's, he's not out here worshiping this fucking church.

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Mike
Right.

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Mike
Mm-mm.

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Bill
God, you know, I know that the way for a goddamn fact.

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Mike
Nope. Right. He's some broad with like 14 arms. Right. Which is cool.

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Bill
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

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Mike
Because if it works for him, that's cool, man.

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Bill
I, yeah Right.

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Mike
Mm-mm.

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Bill
I'm just thinking about the broad with God, give her at least three arms. That might be helpful. I don't know.

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Mike
Mm-mm.

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Bill
he's so

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Bill
Call a friend, honey.

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Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

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Bill
But to yeah, it's just that, you know, it's funny is the, I underlined the word lead. I wrote down the same thing, higher, higher power, lead us.

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Mike
Mm-hmm. yeah

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Bill
um And that is, it's, you know, like you said, the gimme pairs, gimme prayers.

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Mike
yeah

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Bill
We talk about that all the time, right?

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Mike
see

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Bill
You know, I mean, get me a God, get me out of this and I will.

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Mike
Right, yeah, making bargains. and Yeah, right. you know ah ah Presuming that there is some intelligent being looking down on you, checking out what you're doing. Yeah, he really wants to make a deal with you.

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Mike
yeah oh yeah thank you Thank you, guy down there fucking up his life.

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
you know i want i want to sign up with you. Let's sign some contracts. Let's make a deal. let's see The art of the deal. Let's do that. Yeah.

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Bill
Well, and and that that takes it to a whole nother level. So, okay, let's let's give it to all this thing. So let's let's you and I believe here a minute that there is this this ever power, you know, whatever power in the sky type of thing watching over everybody.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
Okay, so again, to get back to the egotist part of it, Do I think that that guy up there with, with, you know, the famine and the hunger and, you know, not, don't even mention the fucking wars and the killing and all this, all this fucking evil going on in the world.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Mike
Yep.

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Bill
All this shit is going on in the world. I'm down here in a fucking jackpot and like, pardon me, excuse me. Well, he's all knowing and all being, he could be everywhere.

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Bill
Well, you know what?

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Mike
Sure.

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Bill
I don't think even if he was there, I believe in him. doesn't give a fuck about me. So yeah, shut your fucking mouth and do right next time type of thing, you know?

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Mike
Right. Yeah, exactly.

00:13:49.80
Bill
But that, you know, that's the other thing that in, and again, I probably said it four times now, we've talked about this before, but when it comes to this whole, this whole thing with, you know, people having this, a lot of people had um real problems with, we know a lot of people that had issues with God and religion when they, when they came in, friends of ours that did, you know, and had the, you know, like find their way back to whatever,

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Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Sure.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:14:12.79
Bill
And I just didn't have a concept. I was right in the middle. I didn't have a, well, this was, or this could be, it was just in the middle type of thing.

00:14:18.27
Mike
Sure.

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Bill
So I was moldable, I guess, thankfully.

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Mike
Yeah. Right.

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Bill
um But the other thing is, is that I didn't have to worry about, you know, well, if God couldn't save this person, ah how can there be a God if, you know, again, would you look like I just said all the shit that goes on in the world, you know, so people lose their faith because all the shit goes on, you know, and,

00:14:29.63
Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
I could have said, well, I i prayed for for this. Larry. Larry was the first major death, you know, at when i when I got sober.

00:14:42.99
Mike
Sure. Mm-hmm.

00:14:44.88
Bill
My stepdad.

00:14:45.36
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:14:45.81
Bill
In my life for 30 years.

00:14:45.86
Mike
Right. Sure.

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Bill
You know, same as the same as my daddy. It meant the same to me. um

00:14:50.78
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:14:51.92
Bill
Prayed for him. And my prayers changed over time. Over a six-month period. I don't mean to laugh, but they did. To the point where, you know, he's in my prayers. And he's like, oh, this at the end, I'm just... I prayed for him to have some shred of dignity.

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Bill
Because I know how proud of a man he was.

00:15:04.85
Mike
Mm-hmm. Sure.

00:15:06.61
Bill
You know?

00:15:06.90
Mike
Yeah.

00:15:07.74
Bill
I'm like, the dude's going to die. Just allow him to die with some fucking grace. That's it.

00:15:11.67
Mike
Yeah, exactly.

00:15:11.75
Bill
And he did, you know?

00:15:12.69
Mike
Yeah.

00:15:13.64
Bill
So, um, I don't know. I mean, people lose their faith over, over those sorts of things. And it's, uh, I don't know.

00:15:18.31
Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
It just, again, you know, the, the higher power in our minds, you know, and it's, I, I'm sure it's in part of my prayers. I ask for strength. I ask for guidance.

00:15:27.48
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:15:27.67
Bill
Um, I don't ask for anything for myself, except I, I do try At the end of my prayers, I'm just like, you know, keep me healthy. I try to, I, I throw that out there, but I do whatever I can to try to stay healthy for the most part, you know, but other than that, I, I pray for other people.

00:15:40.52
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:15:43.93
Bill
You know, I don't, I don't pray for myself, you know?

00:15:44.23
Mike
Yeah, right. Exactly. yeah i Yeah, nothing. I mean, ah clearly, you know, I don't do a lot of deep prayer. um

00:15:53.26
Bill
Right.

00:15:53.78
Mike
You know, I get said it out here before. Right. You know, I say please in the morning and thank you at night. And that's really, you know, the bare bones of it. There's a little more to it, but not really a hell of a lot when you break it down. That's what I do.

00:16:07.24
Bill
Right.

00:16:07.47
Mike
please please in the morning, you know, give me the strength to do what I have to do to stay sober today. And end of the day, thank you for allowing me to, or, you know, giving me the strength and, you know, for another sober day. and And, and thank you for the people in my life. And that's about it, man.

00:16:24.16
Mike
You know, what the fuck else is there?

00:16:26.05
Bill
Right.

00:16:26.63
Mike
Yeah.

00:16:26.89
Bill
You know, and I just, I developed this and I, it's almost more of a, don't want to say a mantra, but it's this, it's a set of things that I, it's a reciting of things that I do.

00:16:36.42
Mike
Right. Yeah, me too.

00:16:37.09
Bill
There's prayers in it, you know, it's, but the it's a reciting of things. And I don't think that that part of it at night, and I just know usually, cause when I lay down, lay down to bed versus when I'm, when I'm done, you know, doing that, that set of things at night, but that includes my 10th step, which thankfully never takes me that long.

00:16:53.16
Mike
Yeah.

00:16:53.83
Bill
Because I'm not fucking with people these days, most most days.

00:16:55.31
Mike
Right. Exactly. Right.

00:16:57.37
Bill
you know But all in all, it's it's four minutes, maybe five minutes at night. And in the morning, probably three.

00:17:03.43
Mike
right

00:17:03.53
Bill
you know And um it's it's nothing. And I do that in between when I'm doing my readings. But it is. It's that... um I don't know. it's a Sometimes I run through it and I don't really think much about what I'm saying.

00:17:15.06
Bill
same is Same thing with the readings.

00:17:15.13
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:17:16.46
Bill
you know I don't necessarily...

00:17:16.84
Mike
Sure.

00:17:18.54
Bill
I digest it, but I don't. And I know it sticks because when you reread some of these things, I know it. God grant me, like you said, this week.

00:17:25.23
Mike
Right.

00:17:25.62
Bill
um I think I posted, there might have been one from Touchstones I posted this week, but I think the rest of them were from God grant me.

00:17:30.66
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

00:17:33.11
Bill
But I think the only reason, sometimes the only reason I don't post from God grant me is if it's it's on my phone and it it cuts the reading. The reading will start towards the bottom of my page on my phone.

00:17:43.08
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:17:43.70
Bill
And it cuts it. And I'm like, ah, fuck, you know, there's no way for me to copy it.

00:17:45.75
Mike
a

00:17:46.90
Bill
Right. And I'm like, I, i don't, I don't feel like taking the time to try to paste these goddamn things together, you know?

00:17:47.55
Mike
Right.

00:17:52.39
Mike
Or actually retype it out.

00:17:54.62
Bill
Yeah. Well, and God grant me is the one that, um, you cannot, um, you cannot copy text out of God grant me, um, keep it simple touchstones and, uh, whatever other one I i read 24 hour book you can also, but yeah,

00:18:09.67
Mike
Right.

00:18:10.09
Bill
God grant me, um you know, you know, on your phone, when you just put your thumb on it, you get the thing and you can select it.

00:18:14.04
Mike
Yeah, right, right, right.

00:18:15.41
Bill
Yeah. God grant me. You can't do that. But yeah.

00:18:16.97
Mike
Really?

00:18:17.87
Bill
So, I mean, what I have to do if i take anything is I'd like these reading or these notes that I put on here. um i take a picture of it. I hit Google lens real quick and Google lens will copy and pull the text out for me.

00:18:28.64
Mike
Right.

00:18:28.62
Bill
But, you know, I can't I can't do it out of the out of the book, which is weird, but.

00:18:33.82
Mike
Yeah.

00:18:33.97
Bill
So, yeah. yeah it's ah I don't know. they were They were all good. God grant me, I agree with you, all good readings.

00:18:38.42
Mike
Right.

00:18:38.96
Bill
um But the other things that talked about and you know talked about the world catering to us or we wanted the world to cater to us.

00:18:43.80
Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

00:18:45.42
Bill
i mean, I never...

00:18:46.14
Mike
Expected. Demanded. Right.

00:18:48.03
Bill
yeah I just going to try to fuck around and say, I never, never did anything like that.

00:18:51.96
Mike
Yeah. Uh-huh. right

00:18:55.95
Bill
And then don't give orders and don't expect miracles. I don't think we've talked about that with even saying that, you know, some of these readings talk about, you know, us being miracles.

00:19:00.24
Mike
yeah

00:19:06.58
Bill
I mean, so what, I mean, i don't remember what we, I know that we don't, get you and I don't consider ourselves miracles.

00:19:06.92
Mike
aha

00:19:14.23
Mike
No.

00:19:14.86
Bill
i mean, jokingly, I would say, oh, a fucking miracle.

00:19:16.86
Mike
Well, yeah, you know, God's gift to everybody.

00:19:17.89
Bill
yeah Well, yeah, I mean, of course, of course.

00:19:20.79
Mike
Right. Right.

00:19:22.60
Bill
But in a, in a general sense, I mean, what, is there anything that you would look at and say, by that's a, that's a fucking miracle.

00:19:27.73
Mike
That's miraculous. No.

00:19:28.88
Bill
Yeah.

00:19:30.30
Mike
No.

00:19:33.40
Bill
Right.

00:19:33.52
Mike
No, I mean, there's lots of really cool stuff. And, you know, um some of it I can't explain just because I'm not fucking smart enough to.

00:19:40.56
Bill
Right.

00:19:40.83
Mike
But that's all. That's all it is. Oh, I can't explain that because I don't fucking understand it. Okay. It doesn't mean it's some magical thing. It's just I just don't have that knowledge.

00:19:51.52
Mike
All right, then.

00:19:52.42
Bill
Right. Yeah. And, you know, I, I've said that before, you know, like people, it's like, you know, this person did this and it's a fucking miracle.

00:19:59.79
Mike
Right.

00:19:59.94
Bill
You know, it's, it's an adjective that you, you know, that people use to describe something that's mind blowing.

00:20:02.00
Mike
Sure. Yeah.

00:20:05.29
Bill
But um yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't necessarily believe in the true definition of a miracle.

00:20:05.75
Mike
Yeah.

00:20:09.64
Bill
Maybe let's look up what a miracle means. I'm not going to look it up.

00:20:12.80
Mike
but i I could do that.

00:20:14.46
Bill
If you want to feel free, but to yeah, so back to the, to the leading us type of thing. And and I think that's hugely important that.

00:20:19.90
Mike
Miracle.

00:20:20.72
Bill
Yeah.

00:20:22.39
Mike
I'm not going to type it. What the hell is this?

00:20:24.21
Bill
yeah

00:20:24.66
Mike
Oh, guy hey, the hockey movie comes up. Nice. hu ah Hang on. real Quick facts.

00:20:33.71
Bill
so Did a stripper come up? Are you on like Pornhub looking up Miracle?

00:20:36.43
Mike
Jesus Christ. No, it's the damn hockey movie.

00:20:38.24
Bill
yeah yeah

00:20:40.77
Mike
um yeah that definite Yeah, yeah.

00:20:42.19
Bill
Same Miracle definition.

00:20:45.43
Mike
Yeah. ah yeah There we go.

00:20:46.94
Bill
This is why we don't do this. i know so many people, you know you listen to the radio, listen to the podcast. People are searching on Google. This is why we don't do it.

00:20:52.55
Mike
Uh-huh. Okay, here we go. A noun. This is from the Oxford Languages. Let's see. A surprising and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore considered to be the work of a divine agency.

00:21:11.20
Bill
h Or as you said, you just can't explain it because you're not smart enough.

00:21:14.65
Mike
Right. yeah Yeah, right. Yeah. It's not explicable by natural or scientific laws. Oh, we don't know all the fucking laws. So settle down.

00:21:23.85
Bill
Right. Well, and, you know, we've talked about it before that, you know, turning on, turning on the light. I mean, is, is is the light switch in in the room here?

00:21:29.82
Mike
Right.

00:21:31.10
Bill
Is that a fucking miracle?

00:21:32.28
Mike
Yes.

00:21:32.51
Bill
I mean, I guess you can't explain it, right?

00:21:36.40
Mike
I can't. I know I got to pay the goddamn electric company every month.

00:21:40.89
Bill
Right. Yeah. You're higher a higher power called something energies. Yeah.

00:21:45.30
Mike
Right. yeah Cleveland Public Power.

00:21:47.77
Bill
Right. Right. But um yeah, I don't know. I just I seriously thinking about that. I mean, I just I don't I can't think of anything that I've looked at. That's a know, I think it's a fucking miracle.

00:21:57.30
Mike
Right.

00:21:57.63
Bill
But um so back to the world catering to us.

00:21:58.30
Mike
Right.

00:22:01.66
Bill
I mean, that's something that I mean, on the serious side of things. I mean, that's I know I've lived my life that way. I think you did, too. Right. Am I mistaken or?

00:22:09.43
Mike
Oh, yeah, of course. Yes. Gimme, gimme, gimme. Because I fucking deserve it.

00:22:16.96
Bill
Right. Well, that's why, you know, and I once again said this before, but, um you know, i used to always call myself a, yeah you know, a survivor. I mean, I had I had hard times in life and this and that and blah, blah, blah.

00:22:27.67
Bill
And all these different things, whatever the case is. And, you know, I considered myself a survivor, which is so fucking stupid because I wasn't.

00:22:33.27
Mike
Mm-hmm. Uh-huh.

00:22:35.66
Bill
um I always had somebody around either, you know, giving me something, giving me money, um helping me.

00:22:36.33
Mike
Yep. Yeah.

00:22:41.44
Bill
um I wasn't surviving shit. You know, and was just sitting there. i was I was.

00:22:45.71
Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Sure.

00:22:46.84
Bill
I wasn't doing anything surviving. You know, I was, I was living, but you know, not, not based on my own, on my own doings.

00:22:48.80
Mike
right

00:22:54.00
Bill
And you know, and even, even sober. I mean, you know, the, the, the fact that we, mean, I've had to lean on people in sobriety. I think you have to, you know, I mean, we all do, but you know, usually if at least in this case, if something fucked up happens it's usually out of our control, you know, nine times out of 10, maybe eight, you know,

00:23:00.44
Mike
h sure

00:23:10.93
Mike
Right.

00:23:14.28
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:23:14.91
Bill
um You know, it's it's not something that we're, you know, we can look back and like, oh, Jesus Christ, I fucked up.

00:23:19.70
Mike
all Right.

00:23:19.81
Bill
And now it's coming back to bite me, you know, but um yeah, it's I don't know.

00:23:21.70
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:23:23.61
Bill
Yeah.

00:23:24.48
Mike
Well, yeah.

00:23:24.61
Bill
Fucking catering to us.

00:23:25.79
Mike
Again, yeah, well, no, i really generally nine times out 10, it is our fault. It's that 10th time that's out of our control and we didn't have anything to do with. But yeah, but nine of those times we had a part in it. and We fucked up somewhere.

00:23:41.72
Bill
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:23:41.96
Mike
And.

00:23:42.56
Bill
don't Don't get me wrong about that.

00:23:43.35
Mike
Yeah.

00:23:43.48
Bill
I mean, I know.

00:23:43.69
Mike
Yeah.

00:23:43.96
Bill
No, no, no. i I agree with it, and that's in and I apologize. That's a given. I know that that we and I had a part in everything, but what I mean is going out there and and literally like blowing blowing my paycheck on whatever and then realizing I can't pay my rent type of thing and have it done having to go to somebody else, you know, but...

00:23:48.37
Mike
yeah

00:23:56.49
Mike
Right.

00:24:00.52
Mike
Yeah.

00:24:00.98
Bill
Um, no doubt we we talked about that before and I, I should have made myself clear because we've talked about it to the point of you're walking down the street, minding your own business, la, la, la, la. la And somebody punches you in the balls and it's still part of that is yours.

00:24:12.58
Mike
Yep.

00:24:15.89
Mike
Yep. Absolutely.

00:24:17.92
Bill
So no, agree with you. So, but, uh, yeah.

00:24:19.79
Mike
Yeah, but, you know, occasionally, but there's that, you know, occasional thing where just, you know, bad shit happens, man.

00:24:20.54
Bill
Okay. So wait.

00:24:24.83
Mike
And, you know, all right. Well, so, okay.

00:24:28.50
Bill
Right. Yeah.

00:24:28.70
Mike
is that Is that a miracle? Because I can't explain that.

00:24:31.61
Bill
When one bad shit happens.

00:24:33.17
Mike
Yeah. hey

00:24:34.84
Bill
That's a fucking miracle.

00:24:36.46
Mike
That's a miracle.

00:24:37.85
Bill
Well, it wasn't, it wasn't scientific and it wasn't, what was the other thing that it said in there?

00:24:40.03
Mike
Right? The natural laws. Yeah.

00:24:43.19
Bill
Natural laws and science. Okay. If it doesn't fit that bowl, I guess that's a fucking miracle.

00:24:47.47
Mike
I guess so. There's your miracle, kids.

00:24:50.85
Bill
Yeah. Yeah. Take that. Take that. You fucking miracle man.

00:24:54.50
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:24:55.58
Bill
So the only only thing I didn't understand, Cosmic Bellboy, that started out with, hey gave that gave me a, what the fuck, where does that come from? Cosmic Bellboy.

00:25:03.01
Mike
Well, ah what does a bellboy do? He carries your luggage and, you know, brings you things.

00:25:04.97
Bill
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

00:25:08.21
Mike
And yeah, you know, right. Yeah. Your servant.

00:25:11.01
Bill
Okay, I got you now.

00:25:11.40
Mike
Yeah. God is not a cosmic bellboy.

00:25:14.36
Bill
Right, the, okay, again, so Starboy up there that, yeah, doing it all, okay, I got it I got it.

00:25:17.22
Mike
Yeah, right. Yeah. You know, he's not there to serve you.

00:25:22.78
Bill
I still thought that was funny. Fucking Cosmic Bellboy. What was the guy's name again?

00:25:26.11
Mike
Yeah.

00:25:27.02
Bill
Something Dick?

00:25:27.87
Mike
Oh, I don't know. Yeah, right. What the hell was his name? Like I said, I forgot to look him up. Harry Emerson Fostick.

00:25:37.38
Bill
Hey, can I show you my hairy fostic?

00:25:40.32
Mike
Yeah.

00:25:42.04
Bill
yeah ah that's That's funny. Okay, well, seriously, though, good reading. Good reading for ah for our anniversary episode, if nothing else.

00:25:46.94
Mike
yeah

00:25:49.99
Bill
But good goddamn reading.

00:25:50.47
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:25:51.55
Bill
But anything else from the reading that you pulled out?

00:25:55.31
Mike
No.

00:25:55.56
Bill
her

00:25:56.04
Mike
Yeah, I think we covered it, man. You know, whatever your higher power is, it's not there to serve you. You're there to serve it.

00:26:02.57
Bill
Yeah, goddammit.

00:26:03.71
Mike
Yeah. Fuckers.

00:26:05.92
Bill
Hey, you fuckers. Okay. So speaking of two people who are not fuckers, okay.

00:26:10.59
Mike
Yes. Mm-hmm.

00:26:11.50
Bill
Dr. Sarah and Finn, um, did their a promo for us and I, I loaded it up here.

00:26:13.80
Mike
Uh-huh. Oh.

00:26:18.10
Bill
Um, it's going to be, if you're listening to to this episode, I think I'm going to put it in, am I put it in the middle of the episode?

00:26:18.68
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:26:24.23
Bill
i don't know either. You've heard it already. Everyone else out there, but Mike hasn't heard it yet.

00:26:27.42
Mike
I have not.

00:26:27.47
Bill
So, um, let's see. I uploaded it here. Let's see if you can hear it. You ready?

00:26:31.83
Mike
I'm ready.

00:27:00.77
Bill
Isn't that nice?

00:27:00.90
Mike
Ooh, the bad boys of recovery.

00:27:05.44
Bill
I couldn't stop laughing when I heard that, but, but you know,

00:27:08.48
Mike
I muted myself because I...

00:27:11.76
Bill
I was waiting for you to laugh and I'm like, God, you got some fucking control tonight, but I'm okay.

00:27:15.19
Mike
Nope, nope, I have a mute button.

00:27:16.99
Bill
Okay, well, good. Yeah, I guess I wasn't even paying attention to that, but um everyone out there, hopefully, if you if you just started listening to us, go back and find... Dr. Sarah has been on with us twice already.

00:27:28.03
Mike
Yep.

00:27:28.75
Bill
um We love her to death. She's a great guest. The first time was getting to know her and her background. The second time was just kind of shooting the shit, plus she started to

00:27:36.35
Mike
She started psychoanalyzing us.

00:27:36.51
Bill
fucking psychoanalyzing us talking about relationships it was it was kind like whoa yeah it's like oh hey hey get a little personal there doctor but no we love her to death and she might be the you know probably the the first person because i mean obviously we talked about having her back on but she might be first person to you know to hit on here or be on here three times or maybe four times or five times for god's sakes but

00:27:41.28
Mike
it was great. Mm-hmm.

00:27:45.65
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

00:27:59.52
Mike
yeah

00:28:00.70
Bill
um But no, she she's the only one that returned it yet. And she said that they're going to start. I told her is like a Monday or Tuesday. And I said, well, shit. I said, i'll I'll add it to this episode. And she said, she's like, well, Finn does all of our stuff.

00:28:14.20
Bill
She's like, I don't know how everybody's got it set up. It may not be this week, but maybe the next couple of weeks. i'm like, I don't care.

00:28:18.97
Mike
Right.

00:28:18.97
Bill
You know, cause when they'll load in ours in there, I'm like, I don't give a shit.

00:28:21.60
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:28:21.81
Bill
I'm like the fact that you guys returned this to us was great. You know?

00:28:24.25
Mike
is it

00:28:24.37
Bill
So I've actually might've been Monday.

00:28:25.06
Mike
Absolutely.

00:28:26.31
Bill
Cause I think I got it while I was still up in Wisconsin. So, um, Oh, I got a quick update on that. Let me tell you that real quick. And then I've got our, a program note for, for next week. But, um, So as I was complaining last week and you were trying to for trying to find my blame in it, which was there was none.

00:28:38.07
Mike
Right.

00:28:41.54
Bill
yeah um So I had to drive up to Wisconsin. Literally, had if it would have been be just driving to the UPS store, getting the package, I had to go down to FedEx, sign it, give it to them. And if I would left, I would have been in Wisconsin for about 23 minutes. Okay.

00:28:57.32
Mike
Right.

00:28:57.29
Bill
okay But I had the chance to go over and see Ty. Okay.

00:29:00.88
Mike
right

00:29:01.16
Bill
I'll tell that in a minute. But um so that was on Monday. I sent that back. um God, it had to have been 1115 in the morning.

00:29:09.60
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:29:09.83
Bill
um They got it. They got it on Tuesday. I get the notification on Wednesday. Oh, everything's done. We'll mail it out. It's going to be like five to 10 days. And I'm like, well, fuck it. I'm going to be driving, which I haven't done since I've been sober.

00:29:22.04
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:29:22.01
Bill
um going to be driving on fucking expired plates as of next Thursday.

00:29:24.32
Mike
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

00:29:25.27
Bill
There's nothing I can do. You know, i don't have the shit, you know?

00:29:27.46
Mike
ah

00:29:28.89
Bill
um So I'm like, well, it is what it is. And then today I get a notification from UPS saying that, oh, you get a package. So if they get a package that they can't fit in, because I've just got a small um mailbox,

00:29:40.23
Mike
Sure.

00:29:40.70
Bill
Um, if they can't fit it in there, then I get a notification. So I called at lunch and I'm like, is that by chance license plates?

00:29:44.80
Mike
Right.

00:29:48.45
Bill
yeah He's like, well, it's a package from Carvana. I said, does it seem like it could be license plates?

00:29:53.15
Mike
Right.

00:29:53.35
Bill
And he said, it's, he said, it's very, it's a, it's a stiff package, whatever. And I'm like, okay, can you do one more thing for me? Is, is there anything from the, from the DMV and in a piece of mail? And he's like, yeah, there is.

00:30:02.94
Mike
Right.

00:30:03.47
Bill
I'm like, awesome. So I'm like, yeah, it's my license plates and my registration. So they're sending my mail to your house. So I should have it on, have it on Tuesday because, um, I'm like, I, I have to get this stuff because ah the shit expires on Thursday, you know?

00:30:09.82
Mike
Oh. Yeah.

00:30:17.29
Mike
Right.

00:30:17.50
Bill
Um, so you yeah, UPS is, ha ha ha.

00:30:18.47
Mike
No driving into Lakewood.

00:30:21.70
Bill
Yeah. And the guy's like, he's like, what do you need to buy? I said, it doesn't matter. He's like, well, ground shipping, we'll get it there by Tuesday. I said, that's perfect. I said, I, don't really drive my car during the week. Anyhow, but Tuesday is wonderful.

00:30:32.70
Mike
Right.

00:30:32.74
Bill
Um, so yeah, I told the guy, I'm like, yeah, it's my buddy's house. Here's the address, blah, bla blah, blah. But I'm like, put a note on there. I'm put it by the side door. i have somebody knock. Cause I'll be able to hear it, you know, upstairs.

00:30:41.30
Mike
Sure.

00:30:42.78
Bill
Then I can grab it. And then, uh, but yeah, so I'm like, well, that's what I was going side note. By the way, I'm getting UBS package delivered your house. So if, if I die in the way out, just so you know, that's my mail, you got my mail and my license plates and all that stuff do with <unk>itly what you will.

00:30:50.91
Mike
All right.

00:30:54.11
Mike
Cool. Nice. I'll hang them on the wall.

00:30:59.06
Bill
And it's, and that's, there's still another step to this, which I don't care. I could, that's fine. I can handle it. My leisure.

00:31:04.03
Mike
ha Yeah.

00:31:04.27
Bill
Um, it's not my personalized plates there. These are going to be regular plates, which I don't care.

00:31:07.61
Mike
Right.

00:31:08.23
Bill
They're fucking plates that I just got to get my personalized plates transferred in.

00:31:09.40
Mike
Yeah.

00:31:12.14
Bill
But, um, so I get up to Wisconsin. said i got ahold of Dawn right away. And she's like, they were redoing their bathroom or remodeling one of the bathrooms, whatever.

00:31:19.74
Mike
see

00:31:19.79
Bill
She's like, drywall people are here. She's like, I'm in the room. The dog's room with me that they got the hallway all blocked. She's like, you know, just, um, let me know you have I'll let you know when we can do And I'm like, okay, whatever.

00:31:30.52
Bill
I'm like, I'll go get something to eat out of my, again, powerless.

00:31:30.76
Mike
Right?

00:31:32.72
Bill
Right.

00:31:33.27
Mike
Right?

00:31:33.58
Bill
Um, so I pull into the parking lot. So I was going to go to firehouse and get something to eat. And she texted me, yeah i was going to, and it was like, literally it's like 1130.

00:31:38.19
Mike
course you are.

00:31:42.90
Bill
And she texts me she's like, the drywall people are gone. I've got a meeting at, uh, at noon. And I'm like, I could be there in 10 minutes. You know, it was like 25 after 11, So cruise up there and got to see him and, you know, again, doing this stuff. They had cardboard.

00:31:55.67
Bill
um I went in, did you and I go, and no, we, we didn't go in the front door, but she had me go in the front door, which goes right into their living room. And there's like cardboard on the floor. Cause again, drywall guys coming through.

00:32:05.36
Mike
Right.

00:32:05.61
Bill
So when I walk in right away and he comes up to me and then he just lays down on the fucking cardboard, fucking legs up in the air, want me to rub his belly, you know?

00:32:09.65
Mike
Sure.

00:32:13.37
Mike
sure

00:32:14.13
Bill
And, uh, she's like, don't lay down there. It's dirty. Um, and now the difference in seeing him, God, I saw him, whatever it was a few weeks ago, a month ago when I was up there, when the, um, pain medications and muscle relaxers and all this shit was working for him.

00:32:27.68
Bill
Um, and you know, he's just a medicine's not working for him anymore, even if they had him on it, but you could see the difference.

00:32:27.78
Mike
Right.

00:32:33.34
Bill
He's very lumbery, you know?

00:32:34.76
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:32:35.23
Bill
Um, you could tell he was in pain and in their living room, it's recessed, maybe six inches, not that far.

00:32:42.30
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:32:43.11
Bill
Um, but she's like, come on. She helped him, you know, cause he ah gingerly took a step down there. She's telling me that he's been looking at the couch for like a couple of weeks now, just yearning. he can't get up on the couch.

00:32:53.02
Mike
Yeah.

00:32:53.41
Bill
Um, he did once, uh, I guess, uh, Easter Sunday. So the day before he jumped up there and then when he got down, he was just a fucking wreck, you know?

00:32:58.11
Mike
Yeah.

00:33:01.14
Mike
Yeah.

00:33:01.89
Bill
Um, cause a Derek and a kitty were over there, but all sudden done, I mean, I sat there and I just petting them and the belly rubs and the whole bit. And, um, it was, remember when we were going mom's funeral, you're like, it's going to be wonderful.

00:33:13.68
Bill
And it's going to be, did you say awful or terrible?

00:33:15.72
Mike
yeah yeah so mouth right

00:33:17.25
Bill
That's what, that's what this was.

00:33:18.46
Mike
yeah

00:33:19.30
Bill
You know, but um ah I'm glad, you know, I'm glad I was able to see him. And it was funny when, when I was leaving. So we're in a living room, you know, kind of again, towards the side, towards the front door.

00:33:29.82
Bill
And I know you see, you can probably kind of picture this.

00:33:31.40
Mike
isn Sure.

00:33:32.42
Bill
And then they got the other walk around into the kitchen and the dining room and then the kitchen.

00:33:36.68
Mike
it

00:33:37.22
Bill
So all said and done, I was just like, I'm like, it was a few minutes before Dawn's meeting. I'm like, I'm just going to wash my hands. So I walk out in the kitchen and, you know, he, he went to walk and she's like, no, no, he'll be right back. And then he sees peeking around.

00:33:49.08
Bill
in the hallway wondering, do I walk up here?

00:33:49.25
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

00:33:52.06
Bill
Do I go the other way? Cause again, it's, it's tough for him. He's got to figure out where he can walk.

00:33:55.14
Mike
right

00:33:56.18
Bill
You know, she's like, don't worry. He's not leaving yet. will come say bye to you. Um, and he did, he, he hopped himself up there and said goodbye to him. And you know, that was that. So, and Derek texted me, um, God, probably an hour and a half ago.

00:34:04.49
Mike
Yeah.

00:34:08.53
Bill
And that's, he goes, yeah, we just got done, you know, at the, at the, the vet and stuff like that.

00:34:09.01
Mike
Mm. Mm.

00:34:12.16
Bill
But, um, yeah, I'll tell you, it was, uh, I was for klemped.

00:34:16.51
Mike
Yes.

00:34:17.84
Bill
You know, sitting there and then, well, I walk in with my, you'll see me tomorrow when I get there, you know, cause I'm wearing two different shoes. Um, and I'm, I'm just kind of like, um, got my right side towards them. And I said, I'm just trying to be careful.

00:34:28.35
Bill
So I said, I, I really fucked up my leg and I'll tell you about it minute.

00:34:31.26
Mike
Mm.

00:34:31.23
Bill
and She's like, I was just going to tell you or say something. She's like, you got two fucking shoes on.

00:34:35.06
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

00:34:35.40
Bill
I said, I'll tell you.

00:34:36.00
Mike
Right.

00:34:36.84
Bill
So as I'm sitting there petting them, I'm i getting like fucking choked up. And she's like, tell me about your leg. And I'm like, fuck. I need a minute.

00:34:42.58
Mike
for

00:34:44.03
Bill
She's like, no, take your time. It's okay. And I'm just, I'm like laughing and getting all fucking choked up.

00:34:48.46
Mike
yeah

00:34:49.06
Bill
You know, it just, uh, it's, uh, he was a wonderful, just a wonderful dog, you know?

00:34:53.33
Mike
yeah yeah

00:34:53.91
Bill
And it wasn't just that I love again, Kathy's dogs and Brian and Kimmy's dogs and that in their reaction to me is all wonderful, but there was just something I can't even put a finger out.

00:34:57.83
Mike
see

00:35:03.28
Bill
There was something different with him, you know?

00:35:03.71
Mike
right

00:35:06.23
Mike
Was it miraculous?

00:35:10.44
Bill
Yes.

00:35:11.51
Mike
Thank you.

00:35:11.70
Bill
That's God damn it.

00:35:12.33
Mike
Good. Yes, you are.

00:35:13.16
Bill
Fuck.

00:35:13.65
Mike
Right.

00:35:14.40
Bill
ah You know what? Now I feel better.

00:35:16.39
Mike
Cool. Yes.

00:35:16.89
Bill
I tie and I are a fucking, we were a fight.

00:35:17.63
Mike
Mm-hmm. yes you are

00:35:20.33
Bill
We were, a we were a fucking miracle.

00:35:22.24
Mike
right yeah

00:35:24.97
Bill
Yes, that's, that's what it was. So thank you.

00:35:26.56
Mike
cool yes

00:35:27.21
Bill
Thank you for putting a little humor into that. Cause that, uh, yeah, it's, it's not, it's not easy itself retelling that story, I suppose. But, um, I don't know. I just, you know, is, is fucking pissed off as I was to have to go up there.

00:35:38.82
Bill
Um, and think about this, all this shit that we talk about, it's a nice little wraparound for all the things we talk about. Every goddamn thing happens for a reason. If these fuckers at Carvana wouldn't have jacked themselves up and somebody sat on their dick for two and a half months, um there's no way. I mean, Derek would have called me on a Friday.

00:35:55.80
Mike
Yep.

00:35:55.91
Bill
We had Easter. The only thing I could have done, and I probably would have, I would have drove up there on Sunday you know and just kind of blown off Easter.

00:36:01.67
Mike
Yeah.

00:36:02.74
Bill
But then maybe you would have been here.

00:36:02.94
Mike
Yeah.

00:36:04.06
Bill
So how would that have gone? You know what i mean? So all these, all these things happened in, you know, I had zero control over any of it, but I was put in a position to get to see him, which not a miracle, just a bunch of, again, we talk about people and things and circumstances being put under our lives.

00:36:06.63
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:36:16.65
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. Yep.

00:36:21.03
Mike
Yep.

00:36:22.53
Bill
I don't consider it miracles. I consider it me getting the fuck out of my own way, accepting life on life's terms as much as I hate it.

00:36:24.24
Mike
Exactly.

00:36:29.67
Bill
And every once in a while I get to, I get something beautiful out of it.

00:36:32.74
Mike
Yeah. exactly

00:36:34.34
Bill
Not even every every once in a while, a lot of times.

00:36:34.46
Mike
yeah No, got you. Yeah, yeah, right. But still, not every time. But yes, quite often, more often than not, yes.

00:36:38.86
Bill
Right.

00:36:42.19
Mike
It fucking turns out better than we thought it would.

00:36:42.17
Bill
Yeah.

00:36:45.61
Bill
Right.

00:36:45.67
Mike
If we were, yeah, and certainly better than if we were trying to control and manipulate and work things. And yes, yes, get that bellboy working for us.

00:36:57.03
Bill
Yeah, I mean, I could i could not have orchestrated any of that.

00:37:00.44
Mike
No. Right.

00:37:02.30
Bill
Not a fucking bit of it. Not even one, not even any part of it.

00:37:03.47
Mike
Yep.

00:37:05.21
Bill
I would have been like, it's, I can't, I can't do that.

00:37:05.40
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:37:07.60
Mike
Right.

00:37:08.96
Bill
yeah But, uh, no, I mean, ah again, it was, it was nice seeing them.

00:37:10.15
Mike
Right.

00:37:12.31
Bill
That's, that's all that I can say. And my plates are done.

00:37:13.77
Mike
Cool. All

00:37:14.68
Bill
So that shit's coming out to your place and I get that shit done. And then I can, again, all the other stuff falls in, falls into place and, uh, you know, all, all is good.

00:37:17.74
Mike
right.

00:37:20.84
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:37:22.00
Bill
So quick side note on that too. Just made me think about it. Did you ever get your real idea or do you just have ah your passport?

00:37:28.92
Mike
Oh, no, I've had it for shit. I think... ah close to I don't know. I got it right after they came out. Yeah.

00:37:35.74
Bill
Oh, really? Okay.

00:37:36.28
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. I've had it for a while.

00:37:38.97
Bill
Yeah, there was one, you know, the, probably the, the opportunity that I would have had, um, I, but I, I had to quickly do it when it was almost a, um, an afterthought before I i came down here.

00:37:49.08
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:37:49.20
Bill
Cause I needed to get my address updated and whatever, cause I needed it for a couple of things that, uh, uh, the address where I was living, I wanted you know, Wisconsin driver's license a little bit.

00:37:57.64
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:37:57.72
Bill
So I redid all that stuff. Um, and I, I just didn't, again, i had a very short amount of time by the time I thought about so I didn't do it.

00:38:04.21
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:38:04.40
Bill
And then, you know, with this putting off and whatever, I'm like, ah, fuck it. I'll get to it. I'll get to it. So the, the registration part, not my fault.

00:38:08.21
Mike
Right.

00:38:11.43
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:38:11.83
Bill
The real ID thing right now, clearly, cause I didn't care about it, you know?

00:38:13.79
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

00:38:16.01
Bill
Um, but I figured out kind of a workaround for me to begin with. Cause right now, um, I don't have a passport. I've never had one.

00:38:22.73
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:38:23.19
Bill
Um, so I've never, I've never flown when I, the, when Dawn and I went to, uh, Mexico years ago, we didn't need one.

00:38:28.11
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

00:38:28.90
Bill
Um, I've been to Canada twice, I think didn't need a passport at that point.

00:38:31.12
Mike
Right. Yeah, back then, right?

00:38:33.66
Bill
Um, you know, so I just basically at this point, I, I can up until, you know, the real ID thing, I can fly in a plane in the United States and I'm fine.

00:38:41.63
Mike
Uh-huh. Right, right.

00:38:43.42
Bill
So what I'm going to do.

00:38:44.17
Mike
Up until ah about a week and a half from now.

00:38:46.81
Bill
Yeah. May 7th or whatever it is.

00:38:48.09
Mike
Yeah, yeah, it is May 7th because I was just, yeah, go ahead.

00:38:50.08
Bill
Yeah. So what I need to do is I'm like, well, I need, I looked all this stuff up. I'm going to get a ah passport and I'm going to get the passport ID card to begin with, because that's the quickest and easiest one.

00:39:00.11
Mike
Right.

00:39:02.15
Bill
And then what that does, that allows me again to fly um in the U S and I can go on by, by road or by water in the Mexico, Canada, and some other place, ah but you can't, you can't fly into other places.

00:39:02.30
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:39:15.27
Mike
All right.

00:39:17.90
Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

00:39:18.14
Bill
And then this just gives me more time once I get that. Cause I, what I'm concerned about is with my situation, the UPS box whatever.

00:39:25.24
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:39:25.42
Bill
um I figured that's, I want to get that first. So I have that solid ID and then I'll get the, then I'll get the real ID. Cause that'll be another solid piece that I got through first. And based on what I need to get the passport,

00:39:36.99
Bill
Um, I ordered my birth certificate that I was hoping that would have been there on Monday when I was there, but it wasn't, maybe it'll be in this package I get on Tuesday, you know, so I need birth certificate, something else, all the things that I have, and then I'll be able to get that ID card for like 30 bucks.

00:39:45.03
Mike
Yeah.

00:39:47.39
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

00:39:51.36
Bill
And then I'll be able to fly in the U S and then I'll just, I can get the real passport or the real ID at that point, the passport book, you know, or the real ID, which I'll end up getting and then I'm good.

00:39:58.73
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:40:01.13
Bill
So

00:40:02.49
Mike
Right.

00:40:03.09
Bill
Yeah, I just had to take a couple extra steps. And I was concerned about, um you know, same deal. I was talking to a couple of people, like my friend Morgan. She's like, like I don't know how you're going to get a real ID with not having a physical address.

00:40:10.06
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:40:14.05
Bill
I'm like, there's people out there that don't.

00:40:14.31
Mike
Right.

00:40:15.89
Bill
I mean, just stay with people.

00:40:16.69
Mike
Right.

00:40:17.35
Bill
You know, I mean, there's got to be a way, right?

00:40:18.01
Mike
Yeah. Yeah, i would I would imagine so. I don't know. I mean, I know I was talking to somebody the other day and I was like, I don't know, man, I've had it for like eight years or whatever, seven years.

00:40:29.05
Mike
So I don't remember what the hell I had to do. But yeah, you know, well, I and I had a valid passport when it came up.

00:40:32.19
Bill
Right.

00:40:36.76
Mike
So I think that made it a lot easier if I if i recall correctly.

00:40:39.50
Bill
Yeah. And that's, that's why when the more I thought about it, I'm like, God, let me just look into this whole passport thing. And the difference with the, the passport card is that, well, first of all, I can put at my wallet for the time being, um, cause it is like its size of an ID.

00:40:46.64
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:40:51.95
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:40:54.60
Bill
Um, but on top of that, it's a difference of like 30 bucks versus, I don't know, 130 or 150 or something. And like, eh, I'll just spend the 30 bucks to begin with and get that and then deal with the fucking real ID afterwards.

00:40:59.62
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

00:41:05.76
Bill
So.

00:41:06.11
Mike
Yeah.

00:41:06.34
Bill
But um I wonder where the other, I mean, I've got a goddamn driver's license. I just can't, you know, as of May 7th, I can't fly until I get that, which, you know, again, that is what it is.

00:41:11.64
Mike
Right.

00:41:15.05
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:41:15.04
Bill
So, all right. um I don't know. I mean, I got, I got, I got things, but maybe this is a ah good breaking point.

00:41:19.92
Mike
Yeah.

00:41:21.91
Bill
What do you think there, Mr.

00:41:22.20
Mike
Sure.

00:41:23.13
Bill
15?

00:41:25.49
Bill
Superstar miracle.

00:41:26.64
Mike
Yeah. was God, man. Seriously. um I haven't even barely thought about it anyway. Yeah. So we will, I will think about it and we'll be right back after these words from our sponsor.

00:41:45.44
Bill
All right, everyone. Welcome back. So what were going to think about your sobriety?

00:41:50.62
Mike
Yeah, I guess, right? mean, I've thought about it, but yeah, not not a hell of a lot.

00:41:56.39
Bill
Yeah, you know, it was, ah it was just, I don't know, you know, same thing last year I was in, I was in Lake of the Ozarks last year on my, on my anniversary.

00:42:03.71
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:42:04.73
Bill
And this year I was in, what's the fuck, North Carolina. um You know, but obviously, you know, coming back here and, you know, got the coin and did all that stuff.

00:42:11.66
Mike
Right.

00:42:11.83
Bill
And, You know, I mean, obviously you saw, I'm sure I posted up your coin and stuff like that.

00:42:15.72
Mike
Yeah.

00:42:15.98
Bill
It's, I guess it's more, it's a and I don't mean this in a weird way, but it's a little bit more in my face, you know, when, um, since we've been doing the the Instagram stuff, because I do, you know, I'll post my stuff and then when you get yours, I'll post your stuff.

00:42:28.15
Mike
Right.

00:42:28.40
Bill
So it's this flood of, you know, things for, you know, about a week, week and a half, whatever it is.

00:42:32.50
Mike
Yeah.

00:42:33.20
Bill
Um, which by the way, you got a lot of fucking love on Instagram.

00:42:37.05
Mike
Yeah.

00:42:37.04
Bill
Um, not just for your anniversary, but for your coin and and all that stuff. So, um, I just say, I,

00:42:40.69
Mike
um yeah Maybe I'll go take a look.

00:42:43.21
Bill
yeah i almost almost forgot to to tell you that but uh yeah i mean i had a couple of posts it was a lot of people congrats mike that's a kick-ass coin and then this and that and because was you know figure two separate posts i you know obviously announced your i copied your facebook post the black thing and then you know posted your coin so you got like two things of that which i did too you know i did the same thing with mine um because i didn't get my coin the same day but um

00:42:53.17
Mike
Right.

00:42:57.08
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:43:03.89
Mike
Right.

00:43:07.13
Bill
We've got a lot of i don't know you know a lot of lot of good people out there. you know and

00:43:10.37
Mike
Yeah.

00:43:11.16
Bill
Same thing i I said before and we've talked about you know the ah the following we have on Instagram, the you know the group of people that that listen on on this podcast.

00:43:20.92
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:43:21.02
Bill
um you know Small-ish, but that the people that we have as listeners and followers, there um i and i i mean this. i think I think they're loyal, they're engaged, and they're just really good people.

00:43:31.65
Bill
Yeah. So, and we don't, it's funny. I mean, I was listening to sober friends the other day and they, and Matt read one comment that he got. It was, and it was funny. I can't remember what the person said. Some comment on, on their YouTube.

00:43:44.84
Bill
Cause they'll, Matt will post shit on YouTube also. um And somebody commented basically was just calling him names and saying something nasty about him. And both, both Matt and his podcast partner, Steve were laughing.

00:43:53.35
Mike
Uh huh. Right.

00:43:56.75
Bill
They're like, Oh, thank you guy. You just made our day. Yeah.

00:43:58.82
Mike
right

00:44:00.05
Bill
And we didn't even get many of those either, you know? So I don't know. just just people and people in general are pretty decent for the, for the ones that listen and follow us.

00:44:08.18
Mike
Yeah, the ones that hang out with us. The rest of them fucking pretty shitty, but...

00:44:12.90
Bill
yeah Exactly. Exactly. So, all right. So programming note for next week. Do you remember we were talking about a guest we had coming up, right?

00:44:17.71
Mike
Yes.

00:44:21.13
Mike
Uh, sure.

00:44:22.02
Bill
A female guest. Remember?

00:44:23.14
Mike
Okay. No?

00:44:25.02
Bill
You don't?

00:44:25.84
Mike
I don't know, man.

00:44:26.54
Bill
Go on.

00:44:26.66
Mike
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Listener. Right.

00:44:28.27
Bill
yeah the list Yeah, the listener that that was, you know, once it's called us immature and all that stuff, blah, blah, blah.

00:44:28.38
Mike
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jesus. I don't know, man. Barely paid attention to my own fucking sobriety date. How am going to pay attention to this shit?

00:44:39.29
Bill
All right. So um she sent me an email. um So she's, well okay, I'll just, I didn't realize that, well, let me just read this. Hello, hello, bill God damn it, worth it.

00:44:47.42
Mike
Yep.

00:44:50.39
Bill
My fucking email just closed. I said hello in my email closed. What the fuck am I?

00:44:54.38
Mike
Nice.

00:44:56.54
Bill
Now what the fuck? My email won't open back up. What the fuck, man?

00:45:00.77
Mike
I don't know.

00:45:01.72
Bill
Jesus Christ.

00:45:02.14
Mike
What the... m Modern technology making our lives easier.

00:45:03.14
Bill
Oh, here we go. Here we go.

00:45:06.27
Bill
It's a miracle.

00:45:07.90
Mike
yeah

00:45:09.38
Bill
All right. So this is from our soon to be guest next week. um Hello, Bill and Mike. Okay. So my name is Shirley and she puts in parentheses, let the airplane jokes begin, which thought was kind of funny.

00:45:17.21
Mike
Mm-hmm. Yes.

00:45:20.84
Bill
She says my name on Instagram is Shalila and I'll, ah I'll tag her when we do the post, very old nickname.

00:45:21.01
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:45:26.49
Mike
Right. Hmm.

00:45:27.34
Bill
And she said, I think that's where Sheila came in. And then I'm like, wait a second. Have we been, or i I would have started it.

00:45:34.72
Mike
Yeah.

00:45:36.76
Bill
You're like, yeah, yeah, what's it wasn't me, man.

00:45:37.61
Mike
Yeah. Love me.

00:45:39.39
Bill
And I'm like, was I, I'm like, son of a bitch. I'm like, I've been referring to her as Sheila.

00:45:44.97
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:45:45.26
Bill
And here's the fucked up part. So maybe it was because of her screen name. But like when, if she sends a message, it has her real name, her full real name, Shirley. And then what her last name is. Um, and I'm like, Jesus Christ.

00:45:57.09
Bill
Then she's like, you can keep calling me Sheila for, for continuity, or you could call me Shirley.

00:45:59.97
Mike
Cool. Uh-huh.

00:46:02.31
Bill
She says that I can't, I can't tell you to stop. She's like, anyhow, I'm on board for May 2nd. So that's next Friday. She's going to be recording to us.

00:46:08.93
Mike
call

00:46:09.27
Bill
We have a, we have a guest. Um, I do have headphones. And then she's like, do I need a mug shot?

00:46:14.69
Mike
yeah yeah

00:46:17.32
Bill
i have a few I have a few I could send. Let me know what else you need from me.

00:46:19.65
Mike
aha

00:46:21.05
Bill
um she And then she said, thanks for asking. I was truly shocked and flattered. Okay, which I thought was nice.

00:46:25.71
Mike
Nice.

00:46:26.81
Bill
And then here's the best part. She signs off with Shirley, just another sober, not mature fangirl.

00:46:33.70
Mike
Ah, nice.

00:46:35.28
Bill
Yeah. But, um, okay. So it's Shirley and she is serious. Hello.

00:46:39.51
Mike
yeah

00:46:40.50
Bill
Hello. But, uh, I apologize. I wrote back. I'm like, I'm like, I don't know how the fuck I'm like, I know, i know what your name is. I know what your fucking name is.

00:46:47.41
Mike
Right. Hmm.

00:46:48.32
Bill
I don't know how that came up. Uh, but then, yeah, she sent, uh, sent a picture, um, this older one, like back from, i don't know, 10 years prior.

00:46:56.35
Mike
by

00:46:56.39
Bill
Her sobriety date is January. Cause she sent that the second one, January 9th to 2020. So she's like, yeah, I'm a pandemic baby. I'm like, well, that's cool. One other thing to talk about.

00:47:05.28
Mike
Right.

00:47:06.16
Bill
But the other picture she sent was she bought, um I think it's the former blackout artist shirt from us.

00:47:12.32
Mike
Oh, nice.

00:47:13.20
Bill
So that's that's the one that I'm going to use. And I completely forgot um that she bought ah bought a t-shirt from us. so um But yeah, we're all we're all good to go. I think it'll be it'll be a lot of fun. But yes, her name, just so you know, since you've been messing up, her name's Shirley.

00:47:26.25
Mike
Oh, well, i thank you for correcting me, Bill.

00:47:27.23
Bill
yeah

00:47:28.13
Mike
I appreciate that.

00:47:30.62
Bill
I was like, i felt so fucking stupid, but I, I did. I apologize to her. I'm like, I'm like, fuck it. I yeah i said, I'm so sorry. am just so fucking sorry. Uh, but yeah, so next week, uh, next week we'll, he, we will have Shirley on.

00:47:43.05
Bill
So again, I think it's going to be fun, but.

00:47:43.57
Mike
All right. So, Sheila it is.

00:47:46.66
Bill
Yeah, exactly. Whatever, whatever you want to do it, whatever you want to do it is is perfectly fine. I know she'll she'll definitely laugh at both of them. So, all right. um I want to get your opinion because I thought about this and and it's up to you.

00:48:00.25
Bill
But I thought this, you know, since obviously towards the anniversary thing towards the, you know, flipping the sober calendar and that sort of thing.

00:48:04.43
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:48:07.53
Mike
Right.

00:48:07.73
Bill
Do you want do you feel like even just a brief thing of um that when we first got to the Keating Center, that how we came in type of thing? Not a full blown lead or anything like that. But um do you think that that would rather just telling people go back to episode whatever and listen to it?

00:48:21.91
Mike
Listen to the crappy audio.

00:48:24.72
Bill
um I don't you know, like like we did, like we we did our first 30 days, which we went through all that stuff, kind of getting to the Keating Center.

00:48:29.84
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:48:30.40
Bill
But um what do you think? I mean, do you feel like it? If not, we tell people to go back that episode. The first 30 days, I think, was one of our best episodes in those in it.

00:48:38.29
Mike
yeah

00:48:39.57
Bill
That's like episode four or something like that. Um, it was a good engaging episode. We got a lot of listens and a lot of comments and a lot of feedback on that episode. So it's there. Everyone can listen to the whole thing. If we want to talk, I got plenty of other shit to talk about, but, um, it's up to you if you feel like, uh, you know, using up some airspace on, on that.

00:48:59.21
Mike
Honestly, no. ah

00:49:00.23
Bill
Okay.

00:49:02.29
Mike
But I mean, um I don't know. Yeah. they You know what? First day at the Keating Center.

00:49:08.02
Bill
Yeah, just when you when you got there and how you ended up. let's Let's do this. The moment of clarity in how you got there and how you felt when you got there. We'll make it easy.

00:49:16.08
Mike
ba pool None of that's easy, man. ah Worst fucking day of my life. ah

00:49:26.61
Bill
Right? No, I know.

00:49:27.50
Mike
Right. Yeah, exactly. i don't know. Yeah. Moment of clarity. I was like, see, I can't do this. I can't do it short. i can't a quick one. You know, I could do my first day at the Keating Center. It was April 28th. It was a Wednesday.

00:49:41.84
Mike
um i took a taxi from detox to the Keating Center um past the Lido Lounge, which is unfortunately no longer there.

00:49:45.25
Bill
yeah

00:49:52.00
Mike
It's now a Bank of America.

00:49:53.92
Bill
That's what I was going to ask. I didn't remember what it was now. So, okay.

00:49:57.00
Mike
Yeah, yep.

00:49:57.00
Bill
The strip club is now a ah bank. That's awesome.

00:49:58.81
Mike
Yeah, um they tore that fucker down, dug a hole burned the ground, salted it.

00:49:59.19
Bill
Okay.

00:50:03.76
Mike
Yeah, it was, and rebuilt a new building.

00:50:04.44
Bill
yeah

00:50:08.01
Mike
It's a bank now.

00:50:08.35
Bill
Nice. Very nice.

00:50:09.56
Mike
Yes. um Yeah. Passing the other lounge, went all right, and then pulled into the warehouses there and it went, what the fuck is this? um Yeah. You know, walked in, um you know, walked downstairs, cleaned myself up, shaved, ah felt all good about myself. I'm walking down the hallway back upstairs and I passed Marty in the hallway and he looked at me and he said, are you a resident here? And I said, yeah. And he said, well, take those earrings out of your damn ears.

00:50:41.34
Mike
okay i said, so much for feeling good because I cleaned myself up. um And then that night they threw me the back of a cargo van and took me to, i ah what is it, fucking Wednesday?

00:50:55.44
Bill
West Park.

00:50:56.23
Mike
Yeah, West Park Men's. Right. Yeah. 250 fucking hardcore old school drunks. Fucking. Yeah. Um, in the back of the van, man, no seats. No.

00:51:08.26
Mike
was like, okay, well, what again, what the fuck have I gotten myself into? Um, this is not the luxury that I was expecting. And, uh, to this day, I'm grateful. It didn't have any of that luxury.

00:51:24.37
Mike
Um, well, that was my first fucking day. How about you, Bill?

00:51:28.20
Bill
Yeah. And so, uh, and I was thinking about that, uh, when, as you were saying that, cause it would have been, if I'm doing a math, I think it would have been, it was the 23rd when I got there. He said detox was yes. Yeah. so yeah Would have been the 23rd. So, um, I came from Wisconsin detoxed in Wisconsin. Um, my mom and my sister took me out there.

00:51:47.27
Bill
So again, what turned out to be Mike's mom and our sister also, um, you know, yeah, they fucking drove my ass out to cause they were all up in in Wisconsin and, uh, I drove me out there and I was with Kathy and just a fucking wreck on the way out there and thinking, you know, what's everyone to think? I'm trying to find out what mom thought or whatever. I'm thinking I'm this disappointment, blah, blah, blah.

00:52:06.19
Mike
All about you.

00:52:06.66
Bill
So, matan oh yeah, exactly. Exactly.

00:52:07.31
Mike
know.

00:52:10.07
Bill
Well, you know, you know where my head was at, you know, at the, at the time I get in there.

00:52:11.83
Mike
i dont know

00:52:13.42
Bill
And then, um, we didn't get there until, i don't know, 10, 10, 15 or something like that. They were in contact with, uh, Bob, whatever the fuck his name was. And Vince, Vince knew we were coming and, um, you know, so we get there and it's fucking dark and same thing.

00:52:22.87
Mike
Right. Right.

00:52:28.47
Bill
You know, I, I don't remember the Lido lounge. I remember seeing the whole depot there and I'm like feeling like I'm out in the middle of, you know, some fucking industrial park.

00:52:32.54
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:52:36.36
Bill
And, you know, it again, it's fucking dark, but

00:52:36.88
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:52:39.70
Mike
Yep.

00:52:40.38
Bill
You drive in and it's a Friday night, man. And everyone's acting like fucking animals. The people are out there yelling and screaming, literally hooting and hollering.

00:52:44.72
Mike
Yep.

00:52:48.21
Mike
know

00:52:48.21
Bill
They walk, they walk me through the goddamn place. And it does, it looks like a fucking homeless shelter. And, you know, cause it is, you know, it's a, it's, you know, it's, it really is.

00:52:52.62
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. Right.

00:52:56.83
Bill
um And that's when I, you know, I so came back out and I'm on, I'm standing on the front porch with mom and you know, mom and Kathy and, That's when I told him I wanted to, you know, I said, I can't stay here. I said, somebody is going to try to kill me or beat me up or do whatever.

00:53:08.64
Mike
Yeah.

00:53:08.76
Bill
And um like, I can't, I can't, I told him, i'm like, it looks like a fucking homeless shelter. I can't stay here. You know, and I said, I got I got to think about it. And, you know, Kathy's crying, mom's crying.

00:53:16.86
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:53:19.83
Mike
ah huh

00:53:19.99
Bill
And, you know, mom, I remember mom said to me, huge point, you know, and to her credit, you know, because she was she was hard with me at times, but not always in person.

00:53:29.13
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

00:53:30.42
Bill
um You know, on the phone, she was yeah she was a telephone tough guy all the time.

00:53:33.71
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:53:35.59
Bill
I mean, that's a bad way. It's just, you know, if she didn't like confrontation.

00:53:37.51
Mike
Yeah.

00:53:38.35
Bill
She did, but she didn't, you know.

00:53:40.11
Mike
Right.

00:53:40.32
Bill
um But she just said she goes, you have no place to go.

00:53:43.04
Mike
Yeah.

00:53:43.35
Bill
You know, and I'm like, fine. And I said, I said, I will stay here for, i said, I'll give it one day. And that's, ah that's what I, that was my mindset, you know, and I, I kind of, I think it back on it.

00:53:51.73
Mike
Mm-hmm. So one day at a time.

00:53:54.56
Bill
Yeah. And thinking back on it had nothing to do with that.

00:53:57.20
Mike
Right.

00:53:57.19
Bill
yeah

00:53:57.34
Mike
Right.

00:53:58.10
Bill
You know, it's, that wasn't my intention. I was literally going to give it one fucking day. um But I remember, I mean, you know, cause again, it's lights out at 11, you know? And so by the time all said and done, you know, i got my Dominic and Josh, um you know,

00:54:11.51
Bill
put there Literally put their arms around me they're like, let's go get your stuff and grab my stuff and walk me downstairs.

00:54:14.52
Mike
Yep.

00:54:16.95
Bill
And I took my shoes off and I laid down fully clothed in my in my bed.

00:54:21.17
Mike
Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

00:54:23.04
Bill
i remember laying on my right side and I'm in whatever i was in. You were in a dorm.

00:54:26.89
Mike
You were an eight. Yeah. No, you're downstairs in Yep.

00:54:29.56
Bill
Yeah. B. Okay. Yeah. So you were in A upstairs. I was in B.

00:54:32.56
Mike
ye

00:54:32.61
Bill
Um, and I remember falling asleep, literally looking cause there's a exit sign above the door coming out of e B dorm.

00:54:38.19
Mike
Aha.

00:54:40.01
Bill
And I remember fault, looking at that exit sign, just wanting so fucking bad to leave, you know, um, and fell asleep and that was it.

00:54:43.35
Mike
Yep.

00:54:45.66
Bill
And I get up in the morning, same deal. I get up, took a shower. And I'm like, this is so and again, this just this goes right along with my, with my mindset of that week.

00:54:53.73
Mike
Aha.

00:54:53.91
Bill
I'm like, I'm like, fine, I'll stay here. But I'm like, I'm not, I'm not talking anyone. I'm not telling anything.

00:54:58.86
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:54:59.76
Bill
I'm going sit back. I'm going to fucking cross my arms and I'm just going you people can talk to me, but I'm not, I'm not talking, which again,

00:55:04.26
Mike
Aha. Yep.

00:55:07.53
Mike
ye

00:55:08.35
Bill
yeah Best, best thing in the world, unknowingly.

00:55:11.17
Mike
Right.

00:55:11.37
Bill
Um, but I remember I took a shower. I didn't do anything. You know, I probably needed a haircut at the time, so i didn't do anything my hair. So I threw a hat on and I'm like, I'm not going to put my contacts in. So I don't care. We're learning something.

00:55:21.11
Mike
Right. Right.

00:55:21.84
Bill
I don't need to see. Fuck them. So didn't, didn't wear my contacts, put a hat on and um I get, walk up the stairs and it's like, you can't have a hat on in here. i'm like, ah, fucking whatever. So like, i don't care. know? And that was, so that was my, my first night and day into the Keating center.

00:55:35.86
Bill
And then we have to go to meditation. Fuck me.

00:55:41.19
Bill
yeah And that was a, that was a Saturday. So it would have been a lighter day on a Saturday, but still we did the, did the morning meditation.

00:55:45.97
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:55:47.98
Bill
have no idea. I didn't remember the 24 hour book. I didn't remember any of that, but, um,

00:55:50.91
Mike
Right.

00:55:53.34
Bill
And that would have been so um April 23rd of 2010, figuring that um I was part of the reading for the 24-hour book. um I've never missed a reading of that book from that day forward.

00:56:05.93
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:56:06.71
Bill
You know, which is... um i will But, you know, exchange books here and there. And don't remember when I added in the God Grant Me's and the Keep It Simple's and all this stuff.

00:56:11.69
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:56:14.31
Bill
But, um yeah, since that that day, you know, literally, what, a little over 15 years ago from today, 15 years and two days ago.

00:56:14.48
Mike
Sure.

00:56:18.32
Mike
Right.

00:56:21.92
Bill
And i've I've, you know, read that book ever since, you know. And it's a good book.

00:56:24.72
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:56:26.20
Bill
lot lot of fucking God in there today, though. Woo!

00:56:30.28
Mike
Right. No.

00:56:31.71
Bill
But um yeah, you know, the the thing of it is, and um i you were happy, I know, to, you you felt like you had made that decision, I think, if I remember correctly, when would you went in there.

00:56:41.21
Mike
right yeah

00:56:42.09
Bill
And um as you you know you've openly said, not your first rodeo, that sort of thing.

00:56:45.99
Mike
right

00:56:46.25
Bill
I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, but you were ready to to do something about it, right?

00:56:47.82
Mike
no Yeah, i i exactly. You know, I was ready to do something because, yeah, right. ah Yeah, i I had made the whatever come to the realization that the way I was living was not working very well for me.

00:57:07.80
Bill
Yeah. And I, I just, it's it's so, it's so funny because we, we've talked about this a number of times. And the reason it's funny is the fact that they were, you know, we're, we're literally sitting in the same place, you know, um, 15 years later.

00:57:21.28
Bill
um the only difference is between us. Well, I mean, I have hair, um

00:57:26.24
Mike
And I have style.

00:57:27.62
Bill
Yeah, I have hair and you have style. um You know, you're in Cleveland right now. I'm in Indiana. I mean, but you know what I mean?

00:57:33.42
Mike
Right?

00:57:33.99
Bill
You know, we have different, even though that, you know, yeah again, different different steps or levels on our on our religious views, but we we feel the same about the concept.

00:57:34.49
Mike
Yeah.

00:57:41.43
Mike
Right? Right?

00:57:43.86
Bill
um But the the funny part is, it's just, again, the the the way that we came in and the backgrounds that we had, which is just the... It's such a wonderful testament of ah what this program is and what it does and what it can do.

00:57:55.07
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:57:55.84
Bill
You know, um a really good example of it doesn't matter where you came from.

00:57:56.41
Mike
Right.

00:58:01.35
Bill
It doesn't matter who you are. um Doesn't matter whether you have hair or not. If you have if you have style. You know, i mean, none of it fucking matters, you know, um it's just that, uh, and I came in not, not wanting to be there.

00:58:10.33
Mike
Nope.

00:58:13.82
Bill
You were ready, you know, to make a change.

00:58:14.93
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

00:58:16.06
Bill
Um, I didn't have that realization. All I did was go, you know, and as I found out nine months later, I was going through the motions for nine months. I wasn't, I wasn't miserable, you know, for nine months.

00:58:22.74
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:58:25.07
Mike
Right? Yeah.

00:58:26.27
Bill
Um, the first 30 days, I mean, I was just a grumbly fuck, you know, but right.

00:58:28.39
Mike
Yeah. Yes, you were.

00:58:31.57
Bill
Well, how would you know?

00:58:31.66
Mike
i can attest to about 21, 22 those days.

00:58:32.30
Bill
Yeah.

00:58:32.87
Mike
So, yeah. Mm-hmm. Right. Mm-hmm.

00:58:37.09
Bill
hair Right. Well, there was a, and mom got me this, this little book, this little calendar book, you know, just to like a pocket calendar.

00:58:43.30
Mike
listen right

00:58:44.80
Bill
And I remember just angrily just scratching off each day's oh day fucking one day fucking two, you know, um literally I remember that just to watch just want to just grind the fucking pen into the,

00:58:58.95
Bill
uh, into the, into the paper and the book. But, um, but yeah, I mean, I didn't, I didn't come to that realization yet, but the, then there, then there goes the other level to that is that the people that come in here that are come in there, ah the dance, the Tony's, the, you know, the Larry's, the, you know, all these people, Chris, you know, our, our buddy, Chris, that we used to come in.

00:59:18.13
Bill
um you know, I met my sponsor, the way that my sponsor knew how to literally handle me, you know, you I want to talk to him at West Park. So here's what I need.

00:59:28.85
Mike
a right sure right

00:59:30.33
Bill
Is it? I get any, he never looked at me like, you're not, you don't have any fucking idea what you need, but, but he do. And he's, and he was, he had about this at that point.

00:59:38.45
Mike
oh yeah he do you had no fucking idea

00:59:43.31
Bill
Cause he died with 17 or 18 years. He was, so he was around this, what we're, we are now, you know, in our, in our level or our number of years, you know, this and,

00:59:45.41
Mike
mrs sure right

00:59:52.03
Bill
I couldn't imagine some fucking Yahoo coming up to me like that.

00:59:54.04
Mike
yeah

00:59:54.71
Bill
And you're like, ah so just so you know, I only need somebody temporarily. And this is what this I want to do.

00:59:58.80
Mike
Right.

00:59:59.61
Bill
This is what I need.

01:00:00.40
Mike
Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

01:00:01.49
Bill
And then he's just like, okay. All right.

01:00:03.82
Mike
All right. Uh-huh. Well.

01:00:05.39
Bill
Okay.

01:00:05.62
Mike
Yep.

01:00:06.63
Bill
And then, yeah, when I hit my ear, he's like, so you just hit your ear, huh? He goes, huh?

01:00:10.18
Mike
Yep.

01:00:11.26
Bill
a little bit more temporary than what you thought. You know, when he had a meeting with me in a, in a fucking brewery and, you know, different shit like that, you know, he was, he tested me and and just dealt with me and in a wonderful way.

01:00:13.82
Mike
ahha

01:00:17.90
Mike
well

01:00:21.32
Bill
And Tim, Tim did the same thing with you, I think, unless I'm, unless I'm wrong.

01:00:23.15
Mike
know ye

01:00:24.82
Bill
Right.

01:00:25.54
Mike
Oh, yeah. Yeah. yeah for You know, it it well and Tim was being guided by, you know, but Joe and Bob and, you know, yeah, right.

01:00:31.20
Bill
Right.

01:00:31.98
Mike
So, yeah, right. Mm-hmm. Uh-huh.

01:00:36.53
Bill
But yeah, I mean, that goes back to that, too, the meetings that we that we went to, you know, these these people that we got to watch. And, um you know, same deal is it, you know, yeah you hear a lot about um granted. I mean, the Cleveland is a is a sit down and, you know, shut up and um talk when you talk to and we'll tell you when and there's rules, you know.

01:00:53.70
Mike
Right.

01:00:53.83
Bill
But if you just if you just I don't know, follow direction and kind of go along and just.

01:00:58.44
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:00:58.58
Bill
um I mean, literally do what other people do and um mimic their behavior.

01:01:01.33
Mike
Yeah.

01:01:03.91
Bill
And yeah, keep your mouth shut if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

01:01:04.38
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:01:06.89
Bill
um Not only are you are you fine where you're not going to get and again abused verbally or anything like that, um you might actually learn a couple of things along the way.

01:01:12.10
Mike
No.

01:01:15.45
Mike
Exactly.

01:01:16.47
Bill
you know

01:01:16.78
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. exactly We did. Fucking knuckleheads like us can.

01:01:19.28
Bill
Right?

01:01:20.59
Mike
Anybody can.

01:01:22.05
Bill
Yeah, I know. And it's ah it it is. It's so funny that I'm fucking angry angry. I was it fucking angry. That's still my sponsor. Oh, here's what I need there, buddy.

01:01:32.61
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:01:33.24
Bill
Yeah, okay. yeah he you're You're special.

01:01:34.22
Mike
Sure.

01:01:35.95
Bill
Come here.

01:01:36.66
Mike
right.

01:01:37.33
Bill
Let me help you out here.

01:01:39.09
Mike
me help you out into this short bus.

01:01:39.31
Bill
But yeah. But I mean, literally anything that he, I mean, he, any question I asked him, no matter how ridiculous it was, um you know, he would, he always gave me a great answer and you know, all this stuff.

01:01:50.18
Mike
Yeah.

01:01:51.41
Bill
I mean, I, I valued him. I, as, as an individual and I, he just, again, he knew how to, he knew how to handle me, you know?

01:01:59.14
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:02:00.55
Bill
just fucking wonderful so yeah so yeah that's that's how that's how we got uh and the the rest is history

01:02:07.62
Mike
Right.

01:02:09.70
Bill
all right so um enough about us you feel like uh do you like to me more or no

01:02:14.70
Mike
ah She's all right.

01:02:15.93
Bill
Okay. So I started listening to her audio book. i don't remember if I, that's a couple weeks ago. I might've listened to it partially on the way down to North Carolina. i don't remember. But do you remember when Elise was talking about that, that she had read the book and she started drinking again based on Justin or Justin Ashton Kutcher?

01:02:29.39
Mike
Yeah. Right.

01:02:35.24
Bill
Yeah.

01:02:35.55
Mike
ah hu

01:02:36.45
Bill
So here's what it was. And I ended up, I listened to it and I ended up stopping at a rest area after that. So it kind of recanted it because I wanted that to tell you the deal because I was just like shaking my fucking head.

01:02:48.34
Bill
So her and Ashley were together and obviously he knew, you know, she was sober and she had, i think at that point, if I'm not mistaken, just under or just under 20 years, I think.

01:02:59.58
Mike
okay

01:03:00.16
Bill
It was a long fucking time.

01:03:01.31
Mike
right

01:03:01.90
Bill
At least fifteen let's say 15 plus, but I think it was closer to 20. um And when she started drinking again, they were, or they were in, I think they went to Mexico if I remember correctly. Ashton was drinking wine.

01:03:12.59
Bill
So he would drink around her, nothing big. You know, she didn't mind.

01:03:14.41
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:03:14.73
Bill
He didn't make a big deal out of it.

01:03:15.33
Mike
Right.

01:03:16.74
Bill
And, This is what he said to her. This was, this was the moment. Okay. So, um, again, they're deeply in love this and that head over heels, whatever the case is.

01:03:24.83
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:03:25.23
Bill
Okay. Whatever. Um, but he says that he didn't think that alcoholism was a real thing. Okay.

01:03:31.57
Mike
Ah.

01:03:32.83
Bill
He said he thought it was all about moderation. Okay.

01:03:36.04
Mike
Ah-ha.

01:03:37.27
Bill
So then, um, to me, his thought was, huh, what? Yeah.

01:03:44.64
Mike
Yeah, sure. Sounds good to me.

01:03:47.66
Bill
Yeah, exactly. So, um, you know, it, it is immediately what I, what I thought about is, is okay. She's been, she's been on the verge of relapse probably for a while.

01:03:55.75
Mike
hello clearly.

01:03:56.39
Bill
Um, you you know, I mean, not maybe not doing what she had to do or or whatever, but, but I'm like, the number one, the fact that he fucking said something like that. And then he was a, this was the best part. So then he got mad at her when she started to get out of control.

01:04:08.62
Bill
Cause that's what happened.

01:04:08.94
Mike
Well, yeah, it's shocker.

01:04:09.60
Bill
You know, she was, She was fine. And she's talking about, you know, she's like, well, she was there. um You know, she would you drink, have a couple of beers, have do this and that, maybe have a drink.

01:04:14.72
Mike
see

01:04:17.56
Mike
Right?

01:04:17.74
Bill
Everything was cool, you know.

01:04:19.19
Mike
Right?

01:04:19.25
Bill
um But she she felt weird. She's like, I feel i feel wrong about doing this. And she'd go back to the room and have a drink. And she she didn't want to be judged, you know, out in public as people knew, blah, blah, blah. But then that after he was kind of open that she was drinking again.

01:04:32.30
Bill
So Ashton got mad at her when she started to get out of control. And then then her thought, what do you think her thought was?

01:04:38.82
Mike
Well, it's your fucking fault.

01:04:38.95
Bill
What? Ha, ha. her Her thought was, well, you wanted me to do this with you.

01:04:44.46
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:04:47.85
Bill
And I'm like, good for fucking you, okay? It's not good that you lit your fucking life up again. I mean, I get that. You know, you start drinking again, you relapse or whatever, but that's a great fucking answer.

01:04:57.90
Bill
You see, you stupid fucking normie.

01:04:58.17
Mike
isn Right. Uh-huh.

01:05:02.14
Bill
You see why this is a bad idea? here's Here's fire over here. Don't fucking play with it.

01:05:08.96
Mike
Right.

01:05:10.09
Bill
Just leave it.

01:05:10.27
Mike
Let's pour some gasoline on it and see what happens.

01:05:12.83
Bill
It's buts just over there smoldering for 20 years. Just leave it fucking be. It's okay. It's not a hurting anyone. yeah But then she had then she had dental surgery and ah back pain, got into pills, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:05:20.27
Mike
Uh-huh. Yeah.

01:05:25.05
Bill
blah But then she ended up, I think she's, well, not think. She detoxed herself. And then, you know obviously been sober ever since.

01:05:30.61
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:05:32.27
Bill
But, and I can't remember when it was. I think she's, she might be around our time, maybe 13, 14 years, somewhere in that area.

01:05:38.77
Mike
right.

01:05:39.13
Bill
But I think it's somewhere between, I don't remember when the book came out, but, um and she was talking years, but I kind of lost track of where she was. But um either way, she's, she's in the realm of of time back, you know, like where we're at right now.

01:05:50.69
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:05:50.90
Bill
But literally um when, when I heard that as I'm listening to it, I'm like, dude, you're, you're going fucking pay for this, man. You can't, You can't, you can't tell somebody like that, you know, somebody that, you know, cause ah clearly, and this is where we've heard this goddamn story.

01:05:58.45
Mike
Right.

01:06:05.15
Bill
How many times, you know the relationship and this and that, you let your guard down somebody you love, somebody you care about and somebody you think has your best interest at heart.

01:06:07.82
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:06:10.36
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:06:12.50
Bill
And they're like, ah, you're okay.

01:06:12.73
Mike
Sure.

01:06:15.83
Mike
You're all right.

01:06:16.48
Bill
and And you know what? We're like, yeah, yeah.

01:06:19.33
Mike
Yeah.

01:06:20.76
Bill
How does he know where we're going? Yeah.

01:06:22.95
Mike
Exactly.

01:06:24.84
Bill
He's drunk.

01:06:27.92
Bill
Oh, but I was just like, I'm like, you fucking stupid idiot, man. You're going to, you're going pay for it. And he sure as fuck did because, uh, yeah, she just got, got all fucking out of control again.

01:06:35.95
Mike
Right.

01:06:37.03
Bill
But, um, yeah, I don't know.

01:06:37.71
Mike
Well, I know i but you know I need some sobriety advice. I'm going to Kelso.

01:06:42.86
Bill
ah Right. yeah And then that was the other thing when I said when we were talking to to Elise. I mean, he's he's really good friends with ah with Dax Shepard. you know And obviously no one would have fucking – that's why when when I heard that line on top of that, I don't know what year that was, and i dont remember when – well, Dax would have got sober prior to that because, I mean, Dax to begin with before he had his pill relapse, um he was sober for – don't know.

01:06:51.38
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:07:00.27
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:07:05.38
Bill
he's been He's been around if you know combined. I mean, even though he had his relapse in the middle of it. you know, probably 25 years, you know, so I would have think maybe 30, I don't know, but he may have either been newly sober or been sober for a minute at the at the time that that she got sober. So um I don't know. It's just one of those things that just, it blew my mind that all of it, but, but then again, what, what the fuck do you expect? You know?

01:07:27.60
Mike
Yeah, i nothing. I don't know.

01:07:29.64
Bill
yeah

01:07:29.71
Mike
i Right. I expect absolutely nothing from any of those people.

01:07:35.89
Bill
Yeah, but it's, she, she's had a, she's had an it's another one. It's ah it's a good story. I'm not done with it yet, but she's another one that's been, been interesting. It's been very interesting listen to and her, um yeah, family background and all these different things.

01:07:43.81
Mike
Yeah.

01:07:48.07
Bill
And, um and I, I heard bits and pieces of it when, did you ever hear her? Did you listen to the one when she, her interview with, yeah.

01:07:54.23
Mike
When she was on Marin? No, I never got around to it. I haven't listened to him in God a while.

01:07:57.91
Bill
Okay. Oh, really?

01:08:00.50
Mike
Yeah.

01:08:00.62
Bill
Yeah. And I've just I've actually been listening to him more. um It's almost I've taken out the the points of, you know, really the only people I don't. And it hasn't been it's been a while since he's had a politician on there.

01:08:12.06
Bill
But um I don't listen to anyone that he listens to you that's a politician or that I know is is overly political because I just don't.

01:08:12.32
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:08:19.27
Bill
I don't need that, you know?

01:08:20.32
Mike
Right.

01:08:20.38
Bill
Um, and it's, I mean, I, he's very, he's very left and all that stuff.

01:08:24.54
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:08:24.65
Bill
Mark is always has his beginning when he talks about it it's fine.

01:08:25.51
Mike
Yeah.

01:08:27.77
Bill
It's, it's his deal.

01:08:28.14
Mike
Right.

01:08:29.06
Bill
Um, I know who he is. Am I going to judge him for her in the way he, the way he thinks, I just don't want to listen to an hour long episode of, you know, fucking politics.

01:08:32.46
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

01:08:35.94
Bill
But, um, so yeah, anyhow, she touched on a lot of these things and in that interview.

01:08:36.41
Mike
Right.

01:08:40.81
Bill
It was a really good interview. If you ever, if you ever get the chance.

01:08:43.07
Mike
ah If I ever get the chance.

01:08:43.25
Bill
So, right. Right. So, um, I've got those one other, I got a couple other like little things.

01:08:52.41
Mike
Well, I got a little something.

01:08:54.13
Bill
We'll get, you know what?

01:08:54.39
Mike
I got a... Yeah. Hey.

01:08:55.34
Bill
Why don't you? Why don't you? Good.

01:08:57.30
Mike
All right. So what's my favorite band in the entire world?

01:09:00.89
Bill
The Alice Cooper group.

01:09:02.37
Mike
Thank you. Guess who's putting out a new album? but

01:09:05.08
Bill
The Alice Cooper group.

01:09:06.80
Mike
That's right. First time in 51 years.

01:09:10.62
Bill
Really? So there, and I knew there, so we were just talking about the fact that they were touring. So they're doing a new album too.

01:09:15.60
Mike
no they're not

01:09:15.65
Bill
I had no,

01:09:16.56
Mike
but No, Alice is touring his solo.

01:09:18.64
Bill
Oh, oh.

01:09:19.06
Mike
No, the band, the guys, the Alice Cooper group. Back before when Alice Cooper was a band, not a person.

01:09:26.79
Bill
Right.

01:09:28.13
Mike
Yes, the boys are back together. They put out a full album. They dropped the first single this week. Yeah, it's it's pretty fucking good too.

01:09:38.12
Bill
Is it really?

01:09:38.84
Mike
Yeah.

01:09:39.68
Bill
So it's it's Alice, it's Dennis and all the other guys in there, correct?

01:09:42.68
Mike
Yeah, Michael Bruce, Neil Smith, and then they've got this kid from Nashville, this glam dude playing guitar.

01:09:43.13
Bill
Correct.

01:09:50.39
Mike
And yeah, yeah, it's it's pretty fucking good. Actually, the single that they dropped has Robert Kruger from The Doors on guitar on it.

01:09:57.57
Bill
Oh, huh.

01:09:58.50
Mike
Yeah. Yep. Anyway, so yeah, the album comes out in July, and I've already pre-ordered the deluxe box set.

01:10:00.79
Bill
Very cool.

01:10:07.30
Mike
Yeah.

01:10:08.68
Bill
Well, of course you did. I mean, that's that's cool, though.

01:10:09.95
Mike
course I did. Yes. yeah know come

01:10:12.05
Bill
Okay, so yeah, and i was so i know I was just saying I was misunderstanding what the with the Alice, and I know with the Alice Cooper group, especially after listening to Dennis and all that stuff, but um it just it it didn't click right away when I said that they were they were touring.

01:10:13.06
Mike
Go ahead.

01:10:19.84
Mike
Right.

01:10:23.75
Bill
So that's him, Alice is touring, the group did the did the album.

01:10:26.23
Mike
Yes.

01:10:27.13
Bill
Okay, but I apologize.

01:10:27.95
Mike
Yep.

01:10:28.47
Bill
Go back to your box set. I didn't mean to interrupt.

01:10:30.43
Mike
ah Yeah. you know just you know yeah it' CD, poster, ah T-shirt, and a single.

01:10:37.70
Bill
Really? Really?

01:10:38.30
Mike
Yeah, it's, yeah.

01:10:41.35
Bill
For $1,000.

01:10:43.35
Mike
Right. No, only 50 bucks, actually. Not bad.

01:10:45.27
Bill
are you shitting me?

01:10:46.45
Mike
Yeah.

01:10:47.00
Bill
God damn, I think I paid i paid more than that for a greatest hits album for the Foo Fighters or something. that are probably Probably $30 or something like that. i don't know.

01:10:54.54
Mike
Right.

01:10:54.88
Bill
But yeah, god damn, that's ah that's a fucking hell of a deal.

01:10:58.10
Mike
Yeah, right. And, I mean, they're putting out some special vinyl ones and blah, blah, blah. But, yeah. And then they're doing, I think they're doing an autographed one, too. That's about 200 bucks. But, yeah. Yep, it's ah amazing stuff.

01:11:11.21
Bill
That's cool.

01:11:11.79
Mike
And hopefully they're going to do some shows.

01:11:11.95
Bill
Yeah. And I, well, and that was my next question because, um, you know, I mean, I, I didn't, I didn't realize that part of it, but that was my next thought was if they would, if they would tour, but

01:11:13.84
Mike
We'll see.

01:11:20.48
Mike
Right. Well, I mean, you know, there's four guys in their 70s. So, you know, I mean, Alice is still going out and doing it constantly.

01:11:25.37
Bill
yeah. Yeah.

01:11:29.19
Mike
That's what he does. But, um yeah, you know, the rest, I mean, I know, and Neil's probably up for it. ive God knows Dennis is up for it. um Michael's a little.

01:11:36.87
Bill
Right.

01:11:39.28
Mike
Yeah, you know, ah he beat himself up pretty good for a while there. So, yeah.

01:11:45.68
Bill
Wait,

01:11:45.91
Mike
Yeah, but, um well well, we'll see. Hopefully, I mean, they've done some interviews and stuff in the last week, dropped some, and Alice is like, yeah, maybe, you know, we might do some, you know, New York, London, and um Detroit, possibly. So, yeah, you know, we'll see.

01:12:01.53
Mike
you know, if they do, I'm there.

01:12:04.63
Bill
wait really?

01:12:05.54
Mike
Yeah.

01:12:08.14
Bill
But I mean, that that is the thing. And you hear all these, up again, interviews that I've listened to over the years. You know, obviously since, you know, with the Spotify and all these different streaming platforms, um it's the only way that these musicians can make any money anymore is touring.

01:12:18.95
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:12:22.82
Mike
Oh, yeah. Right.

01:12:24.03
Bill
you know That's why ah you see a lot of these you know fucking bands that are out there, you know like Motley Crue. I mean, Vince Nila has no fucking business being behind a microphone anymore.

01:12:31.86
Mike
None of them do.

01:12:32.49
Bill
um Yeah, Axl Rose shouldn't be singing.

01:12:35.14
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:12:36.10
Bill
um you know But there they they make they make fucking millions just by going you know going back out there.

01:12:39.78
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

01:12:41.74
Bill
And it speaking of that, that they... All this shit with with fucking Dave Grohl, you know, with him you know fucking that chick and getting her pregnant and all that stuff.

01:12:48.25
Mike
Yeah. Right.

01:12:49.14
Bill
And um there was and I don't um remember if I ever... there was like In the back of my head, I'm like, why does this fucking bother me? I am not bothered by the fact of what he did.

01:12:59.01
Mike
Right.

01:12:59.43
Bill
The more I thought about what bothered me is how he affected the other people in his band.

01:13:03.82
Mike
Right.

01:13:04.00
Bill
You know, and it's one thing. I mean, obviously, he affected his family. I get that. He's got his own fucking you. You laid in somebody else's bed. You fucked up your home bed. You fucked up your kids. You got fucking deal with that.

01:13:13.62
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:13:14.95
Bill
But um you just affected the the livelihood.

01:13:19.58
Mike
Right.

01:13:19.68
Bill
you know by By making a choice of not to get out in front of people because you're such a fucking pussy, you know all these band members, you know you just affected them.

01:13:22.70
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:13:26.46
Mike
Right.

01:13:28.02
Bill
and that's The more I thought about it, it's i mean that's kind of our deal. right you know

01:13:31.60
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:13:32.05
Bill
It's one thing. you know i say boy People out there fucking other people up. i just don't I lost a lot of respect for him as an individual.

01:13:38.67
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:13:39.31
Bill
I know.

01:13:39.37
Mike
Yeah.

01:13:39.67
Bill
He was just at Coachella.

01:13:40.21
Mike
They're crawling back. Yeah, I mean, they played.

01:13:42.29
Bill
Yeah.

01:13:43.17
Mike
Yeah, he played Coachella.

01:13:43.54
Bill
coachella

01:13:44.13
Mike
Right.

01:13:44.42
Bill
yeah Yeah, I saw that. I saw that. But I don't know. It's just one of those one of those things. But I, you know, I hope they do. I hope that they tour because, I mean, I know you'd like to see them.

01:13:54.61
Bill
And I'm sure a lot of people, especially if they haven't done how many years.

01:13:55.14
Mike
Mm-hmm. 51 years since the last album of, yeah, right.

01:14:00.92
Bill
That's fucking crazy.

01:14:01.44
Mike
1973, 74, right.

01:14:03.36
Bill
That's that's fucking crazy.

01:14:05.10
Mike
yeah Muscle of Love was the last album that the band put out.

01:14:09.32
Bill
Now, wait, 1974, there's no way that was 50 years ago.

01:14:13.20
Mike
Yeah. 1975 was 50 years ago. Mm-hmm.

01:14:14.76
Bill
Not a fucking chance. Not a goddamn chance.

01:14:16.16
Mike
and i nineteen seventy five it was fifty years ago

01:14:19.24
Bill
Yeah, no, I know. I know. It's just, ah yeah, 51 years ago. Fuck. um Yeah, and then, you know, you see, what it whatever whatever it is, you know, take 20, you know, somebody's like, oh, 1990s, as far back as this was, the whole Back to the Future reference.

01:14:29.97
Mike
Yeah.

01:14:32.01
Bill
I'm like, stop it.

01:14:32.06
Mike
Right.

01:14:33.27
Bill
I'm like, that can't fucking be. And then you're like, Jesus Christ, goddamn.

01:14:36.85
Mike
Right. All right. Well, the year 2000 25 fucking years ago.

01:14:42.29
Bill
I know. You know, i mean, i had I have a, you know, I've got a son that's 25 years old and don't, I don't think about it when I look at him.

01:14:46.26
Mike
right

01:14:47.70
Bill
But when I start looking at the camera, I'm like, I'm like, motherfucker, you know?

01:14:50.81
Mike
help

01:14:51.82
Bill
And yeah, it just, it's, it's crazy. I mean, when you can, when you can literally talk about something that I can, with a, with a solid memory, I can talk about something that happened 50 years ago, you know, cause I was six, right?

01:15:01.39
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:15:04.00
Mike
Sure. Right.

01:15:06.65
Bill
I remember shit when I was six, you know, I could easily go 40 years ago.

01:15:08.03
Mike
Sure.

01:15:10.61
Bill
I'm like, well, fuck. I mean, that's, that's high school.

01:15:12.73
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:15:13.61
Bill
Jesus Christ.

01:15:14.07
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:15:14.87
Bill
I was, I was fully aware.

01:15:14.97
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:15:16.26
Bill
I was like, God damn.

01:15:17.55
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:15:18.35
Bill
Yeah. just, it's, it's too much, too much. Sometimes not in a bad way, not a bad way.

01:15:20.83
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:15:22.68
Bill
So I'm just godamn glad to be still around.

01:15:23.20
Mike
Right. So think, like okay, so 1974, right?

01:15:25.36
Bill
Like you said, breathing, breathing.

01:15:26.38
Mike
Yeah. nineteen seventy four right

01:15:28.53
Bill
Right.

01:15:29.14
Mike
Yeah, 30 years before that World War II was going on. Yep. Sure. Sure.

01:15:34.05
Bill
Okay. There that's, Yeah, that's that's a good example.

01:15:38.78
Mike
you know

01:15:38.84
Bill
That's a wonderful example of that, of the ah of a fucking mind blown by by the amount of time.

01:15:44.45
Mike
ah hey

01:15:44.60
Bill
So, Jesus Christ. All right. So I have a couple of, uh, have we done enough sobriety shit? Cause I get a couple of kind of fun things I want to, I want to talk about.

01:15:53.87
Mike
sure

01:15:54.84
Bill
Okay. We got, uh, I don't know, but based on timing, not that we have, we, we quit whatever fuck we want, but, um, we're hitting up to the, we're in the, in the home stretch, I think.

01:15:59.68
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:16:03.44
Mike
We are. 122.

01:16:03.98
Mike
Nice.

01:16:04.19
Bill
Um, number of fucks we had in last episode, go.

01:16:08.44
Mike
Well, over, hundred and twenty two nice

01:16:15.07
Bill
Um, there is, no, you did not.

01:16:15.62
Mike
i didn't go over bob

01:16:19.14
Bill
When is the last time that you saw a car with Bondo on it? And there's a reason I'm going to ask this question. And you know what Bondo is, right?

01:16:26.07
Mike
Well, yeah, of course I know what Bondo is. I'm old.

01:16:28.55
Bill
I'm okay. I was going to say, I just, okay.

01:16:28.69
Mike
ah

01:16:30.31
Bill
Anyone out there, if you don't know what Bondo is, as soon as I said it, you know, just look it up. Okay. But you, Mike, when's the last time?

01:16:34.34
Mike
Right. up Last time... Seems like actually fairly recently. I think I saw a fucking beat-up pickup truck with some Bondo on it.

01:16:42.71
Bill
Really?

01:16:43.28
Mike
Or something was similar.

01:16:43.48
Bill
so

01:16:44.76
Mike
It looked like that sort of... Yeah, go ahead.

01:16:47.35
Bill
Yeah, and it looks like it's skin-colored stuff on the side of somebody's car.

01:16:51.20
Mike
Well, it's gray.

01:16:51.27
Bill
So... Well, there's, you can get, it's see it's either, I've seen gray and I've seen a little bit that's a little, like a little bit like a pinkish color if you get certain types.

01:16:59.15
Mike
All right. Flesh toned.

01:16:59.92
Bill
But um yeah, that's what I meant. That's how, his skin color, flesh tone. Either way, let's call it, let's call it gray. I like gray better. um But I don't remember, I can't remember the last time.

01:17:11.09
Bill
When I was driving up to Wisconsin on Monday,

01:17:14.57
Mike
Yeah.

01:17:14.89
Bill
i saw I saw a car and that was originally... I'm like, God, haven't seen a car. I've got to ask that question.

01:17:20.21
Mike
Okay.

01:17:20.24
Bill
Then I'm driving along another half hour, another fucking car with Bond all over it.

01:17:23.23
Mike
Mm.

01:17:24.03
Bill
I'm like, what the fuck? And then a third one in one fucking day.

01:17:26.77
Mike
Nice.

01:17:28.83
Bill
haven't seen... And these were newer. These weren't like old beat-up trucks or anything like this.

01:17:32.65
Mike
Right.

01:17:33.60
Bill
These were newer cars and literally just recently had some... Not brand new, but literally had some...

01:17:37.45
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:17:38.02
Bill
body I'm like... I haven't seen a car with fucking Bondo on it in probably 30 years, maybe 20.

01:17:43.14
Mike
Well, all right.

01:17:43.79
Bill
I don't even remember the last time. It's just, it it surprised me. And I'm like, i I don't know that I just don't see him anymore. just don't see him anymore at all.

01:17:50.79
Mike
Right.

01:17:52.18
Bill
Okay. So that was that. um Want to hear quick ah quick dating app story?

01:17:53.58
Mike
OK.

01:17:56.24
Mike
Sure.

01:17:56.99
Bill
Okay. Quick question on dating apps. So, and I wanted to get your opinion on this. So if you were on dating apps prior to when you got sober, what would you have marked as drinking?

01:18:03.17
Mike
her ah Yeah.

01:18:09.46
Bill
You know, like, cause you're usually the category.

01:18:09.60
Mike
ah Right, right, right. Yeah, right. Yeah, right.

01:18:11.78
Bill
Okay.

01:18:12.55
Mike
Well, yes.

01:18:15.57
Bill
Okay. And that's, that's legitimate. And so what I see now, I see occasionally, sometimes on special occasions, um, socially on weekends, I see rarely there is sober on there and then there's yes.

01:18:18.18
Mike
Right.

01:18:23.67
Mike
Right. Right. Uh-huh. Right. Right.

01:18:30.35
Bill
Okay. And then because i I think I thought every time I see that I I avoid the ones that are yes, because I'm like, OK, they're they're being honest.

01:18:36.67
Mike
Yeah.

01:18:37.90
Bill
I there's no judgment, but they're like, no, dude, I fucking drink.

01:18:39.80
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:18:42.39
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:18:43.06
Bill
And I'm like, that's kind of like, nah, fuck me up. You know, like whatever I drink. I'm like, cool. You know, I pass those up.

01:18:48.58
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:18:49.04
Bill
um

01:18:49.18
Mike
Sure.

01:18:49.92
Bill
Occasionally, you know, the rarely are the ones I kind of look at. You run across ones that are sober every once in a while.

01:18:52.74
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:18:54.60
Bill
Very rarely.

01:18:54.96
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

01:18:55.88
Bill
um But, you know, sometimes it's fine. That's somebody probably minimizing, which I understand.

01:19:00.68
Mike
Yeah.

01:19:00.70
Bill
But at least, you know, it's not.

01:19:01.64
Mike
Do you? Yeah.

01:19:04.73
Bill
But but at least it's the the yes part of it was I fucking laugh at just fucking.

01:19:07.84
Mike
Yes.

01:19:09.29
Bill
Yes.

01:19:10.00
Mike
Yes.

01:19:10.41
Bill
yeah

01:19:11.04
Mike
Do you drink? Yes, I do. Why, do you have some?

01:19:17.16
Bill
Yes, that would be a great answer.

01:19:19.68
Mike
Heroin? Yes.

01:19:21.45
Bill
Alcohol? Do you have some?

01:19:23.47
Mike
Right.

01:19:23.51
Bill
Yeah, heroin. oh How often do you use heroin?

01:19:26.52
Mike
You holding?

01:19:27.60
Bill
Yeah, because there's some that you know have. You smoked a cigarette in the last six months. Have you used heroin in the last six months? Have you snorted cocaine? Have you smoked crack?

01:19:36.81
Mike
Yes. Yes.

01:19:37.86
Bill
get bikes Yes, yes, yes, yes.

01:19:40.16
Mike
Yes. Oh.

01:19:43.46
Bill
Socially? No.

01:19:44.47
Mike
Oh, um the crack smoking.

01:19:44.51
Bill
Yes. Yes.

01:19:46.38
Mike
Yes. Socially. Uh-huh.

01:19:47.42
Bill
yeah ah You said that before. ah

01:19:49.95
Mike
All

01:19:50.60
Bill
So real quick on the dating app story. There's a point to this. Okay. So I play around with dating apps.

01:19:54.12
Mike
all right.

01:19:56.20
Bill
It's just, I don't, I don't have really the, want to say I don't have the time to date, but I look at myself on dating apps, kind of like a dog chasing a car. Cause if I, sometimes if I match with somebody, I'm like, I don't know to do with it because I mean, I'm, I'm kind of kicking around.

01:20:03.62
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:20:06.39
Mike
right

01:20:08.84
Bill
It's kind of like if a dog caught, you know, caught a car.

01:20:10.57
Mike
Yeah, right, right.

01:20:11.87
Bill
But here's the, here's my mindset. And quite honestly, it's just that the world is more of a mobile place and people kick around. People do, you know, not everyone does what I do, but um people are a lot more again, mobile and stuff like that.

01:20:19.79
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:20:22.60
Mike
Sure.

01:20:23.66
Bill
And I've noticed that and in the dating apps, people be in passport mode, travel mode, they're traveling, their hometown is here and they're still, you know, scrolling dating apps when they're out about.

01:20:32.29
Mike
Right.

01:20:32.26
Bill
So what happens, like for instance, when I went down to North Carolina, you know heading down through the, through the States, one of the ones was Kentucky, Um, I ended up, you know, got this, uh, you know, somebody liked me on a dating app and I ended up swallowing through and ended up matching with this person and, you know, it was, uh, um, bubble.

01:20:45.42
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:20:48.31
Bill
So it's the one where that the females got to respond or reach out first.

01:20:49.90
Mike
Yeah, right. Yeah.

01:20:51.83
Bill
You know, she's like, you know, hello, how are you doing? I'm like, I'm good. Blah, bla blah, blah. This, that little chit chat. It's just like, Oh, comes back with, Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you live in North Carolina.

01:20:59.73
Mike
Uh huh.

01:20:59.87
Bill
She's in Lexington, Kentucky.

01:21:01.63
Mike
OK.

01:21:02.12
Bill
You know, and I drove right through there. That's how it happened.

01:21:03.91
Mike
Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

01:21:04.50
Bill
um And I'm like, you know, here's I don't live here, but here's my deal. Short story type of thing. She's like, oh, that's kind of cool.

01:21:09.17
Mike
Right.

01:21:10.04
Bill
So we're chit chatting back and forth just one day. um but She's like, well, you know she goes, I'll be honest with you. She said, i tried a long distance dating type of thing. um You know, it didn't work out. And i said, well, here's here's my mindset with this. And I'm like, I have had the opportunity to meet really cool people.

01:21:25.60
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:21:25.67
Bill
And who knows, maybe if I'm ever in the area, hang out with somebody, I don't know.

01:21:27.27
Mike
Right.

01:21:29.44
Bill
You know, um I open, I have the opportunity, the mindfulness, i'm I'm open to a lot of different things.

01:21:29.70
Mike
Right.

01:21:34.54
Bill
That's why, that's why i do that.

01:21:36.79
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:21:37.26
Bill
So I'm like, there's a, I'm like, there's a place I want to go in Kentucky and I can't think of it. I looked and I said, I said, have you ever been to the Red River Gorge? And she's like, it's beautiful. And I said, that's one of the places it's a trip I'm trying to work on right now.

01:21:46.81
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:21:50.02
Bill
um One place I had written down, So all said and done, was just like, yeah, i'd love to be there. So she's like, oh, yeah, you really like it, blah, blah, blah. And that was it. She already said, you know, long distance, no thing, whatever.

01:21:59.21
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

01:22:00.46
Bill
But now what happens in this particular dating app is after a week or so, it'll there's no activity. It'll um drop your conversation out into like older chats, but it's still there.

01:22:09.73
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:22:10.03
Bill
Um, and then I started to, kind of look again and I had sent the last message to her. I think I get, she's got like fucking ridiculously cool eyes. I'm one of them.

01:22:21.30
Bill
It's one of my things. I love nice eyes.

01:22:22.45
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:22:23.50
Bill
You know, when I told her that, like, I'm sure you always hear this and she's like, I do, but thank you.

01:22:23.94
Mike
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

01:22:27.23
Bill
And I said, you're welcome. That was the last message.

01:22:29.61
Mike
hmm.

01:22:29.60
Bill
I said, you're welcome after that Um, so I start looking out this thing and I'm like, God, I wonder if maybe in possibly June or July, i might see if I can do a couple of weeks. really had nothing to do with her at that point.

01:22:41.47
Mike
Sure.

01:22:41.98
Bill
I want to go to this Red River Gorge and I've had it on this list for a couple of months.

01:22:43.89
Mike
see Right.

01:22:46.15
Bill
So i'm like, oh, I'm like, oh shit. That's right. She was in Kentucky. So I, I looked back and it was still there. And I said, I said, Hey, I said, by the way, I said, uh, you know, you know, obviously chatting, you know, before, and I said, I'm in the early stages, but I tried to see and blah, blah, blah, plan a trip, whatever.

01:23:00.05
Bill
I'm like, I said, and I just asked her, I said, would you mind if I messaged you, if I get in the area, that was it, you know?

01:23:05.77
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:23:06.56
Bill
And then she's like, she's like, you can message me, but we're not meeting.

01:23:09.60
Mike
Well. Yeah.

01:23:10.90
Bill
like

01:23:11.50
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:23:11.69
Bill
I looked at it. I'm like, I'm like, what? And then she's like, she's like, if you really would have been interested, she said, you could have called me. You could have kept in touch with me. You could have whatever. I'm like, called you.

01:23:24.37
Bill
Now, the remember remember my story a minute ago? And up and i I'm like, maybe she's confusing me with somebody else. That's what I thought.

01:23:33.41
Mike
ah hair

01:23:33.94
Bill
And because she even thanked me in in her messages, she says, she's like, so many guys won't even respond to messages. I said, that's just stupid. Why would you be on here or not? So she thanked me to begin with for even responding to her to begin with.

01:23:44.24
Bill
So...

01:23:44.54
Mike
Right.

01:23:45.85
Bill
So I'm like, I said, well, we were just talking. i said, it was like two and a half weeks ago and blah, blah, blah. And I said, you know, we never exchanged numbers, but, um, you know, obviously I know I had mentioned that I might, whatever, figure blah, blah, And she's like, she's like, no, I know she goes, but you could have at least, she goes, you know, somebody would take the time to get to know me and whatever.

01:24:00.69
Bill
She's like, if we just met now, it'd be like, I'm meeting a stranger.

01:24:01.44
Mike
Mm.

01:24:03.80
Bill
And in my mind, I'm like, what the fuck?

01:24:03.96
Mike
Ow.

01:24:05.67
Bill
I'm like, I'm not, I'm not coming there tomorrow. I thought if I come in there in a month or so in my head, I'm like, that might give an opportunity for me to, if it even, whatever.

01:24:09.94
Mike
Wait.

01:24:14.43
Mike
Right.

01:24:15.23
Bill
And

01:24:15.37
Mike
I see some Bondo there.

01:24:18.27
Bill
I know, and I'm reading all this and I'm i like, I'm like, pardon me. I'm I can't like he can't even fucking believe it. And then I said, I just wrote back at this point because i want to say, listen, what was it?

01:24:28.29
Mike
Look, you crazy bitch.

01:24:29.47
Bill
yeah I'm like, was I supposed to ask you for your phone number? You would have said was a fucking pig if I would ask you for your phone number.

01:24:35.09
Mike
Right. Right.

01:24:36.60
Bill
I said, you know, should I just, you know, shot you a picture of my dick and said, hey, what's your number?

01:24:40.31
Mike
Yeah.

01:24:40.41
Bill
I'm like, you know, this.

01:24:41.12
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:24:41.64
Bill
So if I'm just like, I see, you know, what i apologize. didn't mean to offend you. I said it certainly wasn't my intention. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Then she's like, no offense. She says, I just I need somebody who a guy that would take initiative, whatever, blah, blah, blah.

01:24:53.30
Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. Nice eyes and

01:24:55.00
Bill
And then, I mean, she's like not letting it go. And, you know, I'm just like, like you said, I'm like, this chick is fucking nuts. And a part of me is like, Ooh, this chick is fucking, I'm like, I'm like, Jesus.

01:25:01.04
Mike
crazy. Yay. Uh-huh. Yeah. yeah nice eyes and crazy yay

01:25:07.87
Bill
I'm like, there's a, this, I got the devil and angel thing on my shoulders at this point. I'm like, you need to fucking run away. But I'm like, no, but she's really fucking crazy. You know, and then I just said, I said, you know what?

01:25:16.58
Mike
ah ha

01:25:17.88
Bill
I wish you the best.

01:25:18.94
Mike
yeah

01:25:19.14
Bill
And then, then I was, I was, I was working at the time and then a message popped up that she had message messaged me by the time I went back in there, she had deleted the chat. So she probably said something fucking smart and deleted it.

01:25:27.10
Mike
Nice. Uh-huh.

01:25:29.85
Bill
But I'm like, Jesus Christ, I can't, you can't fucking win. So for, for the three women that might listen to this podcast, yes, this is why I'm single. If you're wondering, i know i seem fucking wonderful.

01:25:37.33
Mike
Right.

01:25:38.23
Bill
I'm not apparently, and but I'm just like, I'm like, call you playoffs.

01:25:39.08
Mike
Mm-hmm. ah Apparently. Why didn't you call me?

01:25:48.44
Mike
Exactly.

01:25:50.90
Bill
But I, I swear to fucking God, part of me is just like, this chick's fucking crazy, man.

01:25:51.10
Mike
Bondo.

01:25:55.82
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:25:56.15
Bill
Ooh, she's, she's fucking crazy.

01:25:56.74
Mike
Yep.

01:25:58.47
Bill
Yeah.

01:25:59.10
Mike
here

01:26:00.21
Bill
Yeah. See, it's a, yeah aren't you glad don't have to deal with the fucking bullshit?

01:26:02.33
Mike
Yes, I am. Every fucking day.

01:26:04.84
Bill
ah I know it's just, and you know what? i I, it doesn't, it, I knew I'm, as um is this is happening to me, I'm, this is going to make a fucking, this is a great story. said, I can't wait. I can't fucking wait.

01:26:16.06
Bill
Okay. Um, last one here. A fire Wednesday in Brighton, this is in Staten Island, New York, um that spread to multiple homes and sent a senior citizen fleeing into the fleeing into the street, all started with a pair of sex toys, prosecutors allege.

01:26:28.42
Mike
Fleeing!

01:26:35.20
Bill
I get you? get you get?

01:26:38.00
Mike
right

01:26:39.21
Bill
ah The defendant, 37 years old, they have his name, doesn't matter, um arraigned in criminal court on charges that include fourth degree arson and second degree reckless endangerment. Okay.

01:26:49.78
Mike
hu

01:26:49.85
Bill
Now you're like sex toys and endangerment. How does this, how does this fall, fall together, Bill?

01:26:54.88
Mike
and

01:26:54.93
Bill
um Prosecutors say that the individual intentionally set the intimacy items on fire with a lighter in the backyard of a home he shares with his mother's

01:27:00.89
Mike
The wooden

01:27:08.89
Bill
The fire spread to the rear. That's the rear of the house, not...

01:27:11.53
Mike
what? Ah. Yep.

01:27:12.19
Bill
yeah

01:27:12.35
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:27:13.89
Bill
Wooden deck in the home and then neighboring properties, blah, blah, blah. Three houses, two vehicles, blaze.

01:27:17.65
Mike
the wood and white

01:27:18.85
Bill
A wooden deck.

01:27:20.16
Mike
ah

01:27:22.53
Bill
that's spread It spread to the rear at a wooden dick.

01:27:25.20
Mike
ye

01:27:25.80
Bill
um He said, and he says, yeah, he goes, I started in the fire. I lit two sex toys on fire. um There was a, I don't believe there was any intent.

01:27:36.56
Bill
Where is the line? um

01:27:40.05
Mike
All

01:27:40.58
Bill
it said that there, um the, whatever it was, I think it was the reporter that looked at that looked it up, um said that they they looked up the the toys that this individual had. my My understanding is they were they were pocket pussies is what they were.

01:27:53.86
Mike
all right.

01:27:54.50
Bill
And of course the direction said warm before use.

01:27:59.08
Mike
Aha.

01:28:00.86
Bill
like If I could lit them up. Yeah.

01:28:02.28
Mike
The fire.

01:28:06.10
Bill
You're too stupid to even fuck a fake pussy.

01:28:08.75
Mike
ah hu

01:28:11.58
Mike
37 years old living with his mommy.

01:28:13.60
Bill
yeah Yeah, but I just, I was thinking like halfway through this, I'm like, maybe you heard this on what what show do you listen to? The radio show?

01:28:21.43
Mike
Alan Cox.

01:28:21.82
Bill
Alan Cox. Yeah, because this came from the, again, the morning show I listened to was where I where i caught, again, caught the headline from.

01:28:22.55
Mike
Yeah.

01:28:27.63
Mike
Right.

01:28:29.27
Bill
But I'm like, what? I'm like, why the fuck? How did these sex toys start on fire? I'm like, I got i gotta to read this. I got find this fucking article. But yeah, it's ah apparently.

01:28:37.64
Mike
Actually, he's been on vacation this week, so that's probably why I haven't heard it.

01:28:41.27
Bill
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. ah Yeah, it's ah apparently they were, yeah, you're supposed to warm before, before you. So I just, yep, that's smarter than your average bear, right?

01:28:48.10
Mike
Uh-huh. All right.

01:28:53.77
Mike
Absolutely.

01:28:55.18
Bill
All right. So um I think, I think I'm burning sex toys, burning, burning vaginas, burning fake vaginas. think we should end, wrap it up.

01:29:06.02
Mike
her Yes.

01:29:09.19
Bill
yeah All right, your turn.

01:29:11.15
Mike
All right, everybody. Well, thank you for listening to yet another episode of Sober Not Mature. always, be kind to each other, be good to each other, go out and do something nice for somebody else this week, and don't tell anybody you did it.

01:29:25.30
Mike
And thank you, everyone, from both of us for the cool messages and love and all that good stuff for our anniversaries. We do appreciate it. Now... From the bottom of my heart to the depths of my soul.

01:29:39.94
Mike
From the beginning of time to the ends of the earth. Always and eternally. Fuck you. Now it's time, kids. It's time for you to fuck off.

01:29:51.72
Mike
Then keep fucking off. Keep fucking off till you get to a gate with a sign on it saying, You cannot fuck off past here. climb over that gate dream the impossible dream keep fucking off forever

01:30:09.83
Bill
Yes. And yes, I second what you said. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks is on all on this side of the table. Our sides of the table this time.

01:30:16.27
Mike
yep yes yep yep man bring cash

01:30:17.83
Bill
Thanks is all over here. And you know, the thing we failed to mention, I'm going to mention now, I am going to be in real fucking time as of tomorrow. And you're stuck with me for a week, right? Yes. Yes. I can stay. I can stay for a week.

01:30:31.23
Bill
Yeah. For the, ah for the poker thing.

01:30:33.14
Mike
Oh yeah, that too.

01:30:33.26
Bill
Um,

01:30:35.30
Mike
here here here here so Okay.

01:30:36.96
Bill
Yeah, well, um hang on one second. um After, I'll tell you what, you can have all the money in my wallet that's left after poker. i'm holding I'm holding it in my hand right now. might my My money.

01:30:45.98
Mike
ha All right.

01:30:47.25
Bill
that not my Not my dick. How much is it for poker now?

01:30:51.91
Mike
20 bucks.

01:30:52.58
Bill
Okay, you get five because that's what I have. I have $25.

01:30:54.62
Mike
Woohoo.

01:30:56.81
Bill
But yeah, so I'm heading out to Cleveland.

01:30:58.10
Mike
Put it in the basket at pure this Sunday night.

01:30:58.29
Bill
It'll be here.

01:31:00.88
Bill
You know what? I'll do that. Oh, do I got to go to a meeting? Fuck.

01:31:03.68
Mike
Yeah, you got to go to a meeting, asshole.

01:31:05.23
Bill
i I get to go to a meeting. um I was happy about that. I'm like, seriously, I was looking forward to it. I like going to Puritas. I have a good time there.

01:31:11.51
Mike
Yeah. Cool.

01:31:13.05
Bill
But um so, yeah, I'll be out in Cleveland. We're playing cards with friends, I believe, on Saturday. And then, yeah, Mike is ah mike is allowing me in his in his ah in his abode for for a week.

01:31:16.99
Mike
Yep.

01:31:21.94
Bill
And then, yeah, be a good time.

01:31:22.46
Mike
Yep.

01:31:24.55
Bill
There was something else.

01:31:24.84
Mike
Both of my homes.

01:31:27.60
Bill
Both your homes. And I think, I don't know, I can let you know what day. I might be out there not not early, earliest. What time are we playing cards? Do you know?

01:31:35.87
Mike
I don't know. Seven-ish.

01:31:38.07
Bill
Okay. Cause I might get out there a little bit earlier than normal. I have to go to the store so I can, I'm going to get food or chicken or something to make in your slow cooker.

01:31:45.27
Mike
Whatever, man.

01:31:46.83
Bill
So,

01:31:46.98
Mike
You got a key.

01:31:48.30
Bill
I know. And I actually, uh, from when I packed up my other car, literally I set myself a note today. I'm like, I got to find Mike's key.

01:31:53.53
Mike
right.

01:31:54.43
Bill
Cause it was in a bag. It in a bag. It was in a Tupperware dish. I knew, but I'm like, it's, I'm like, fuck, I that's still have that key, don't I? Which I do. I do.

01:32:01.68
Mike
all right

01:32:02.67
Bill
All right. So what else, man? Anything, anything?

01:32:05.15
Mike
No, nothing. I'll see your ass tomorrow.

01:32:07.19
Bill
Yeah. Yeah, you will. All right, man. I love you, brother.

01:32:10.24
Mike
Love you too?

01:32:11.14
Bill
And not even just soon. Fucking tomorrow. I will see you.

01:32:13.54
Mike
Yeah, tomorrow. Yeah, right.

01:32:14.77
Bill
yeah

01:32:15.69
Mike
Less than 24 hours. Damn.

01:32:17.41
Bill
Yeah, that is a goddamn truth. All right, man. Love you, brother.

01:32:20.20
Mike
Love you. Talk to you soon.

01:32:21.93
Bill
Bye.

01:32:22.67
Mike
Bye.