SoberNotMature - Episode 165 (No Sleep 'Til Valpo)

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Bill
Alright everyone, welcome once again to another episode of Sober Not Mature. Okay,

00:00:08.02
Mike
Hang on a second. Hang on a second. All right.

00:00:11.12
Bill
go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

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Mike
um What's the date today?

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Bill
ah Today is April 2025.

00:00:15.93
Mike
what Ah, so what happened on 18th, 2010? Nice. Mm-hmm.

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Bill
um Let's see. April 17th, I sort of remember where I was. April 18th, I was blacked out, um but in detox, though.

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Mike
nice

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Bill
So my sobriety date is April 18th of 2010.

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Mike
um

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Bill
So I think if I'm doing the math, I'm to 10, 15 years today Hello.

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Mike
All right. Yay.

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Bill
Thank you. I was actually going fuck around and say it start off by saying, well, everyone knows I don't like to talk about myself much, but. But so here's here's the thing. And um next week is going to be and I mean this in all seriousness. Yes. Today's my anniversary.

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Bill
It just happened to fall on a day we're recording, which is you know clearly the first time in the last you know three years we've been doing this.

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Mike
sure

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Bill
Um, which is cool. It's fun. I mean, it's, it's great. Um, I'm very proud and very happy at my anniversary. Don't get me wrong, but, um, this is not our anniversary episode. Next week is Mike's anniversary.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
If he makes it this Tuesday, the 22nd.

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Mike
see Right. Exactly.

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Bill
Um, you know, i'm just, we're not fronting him. He's just saying that's the date he got.

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Mike
Nope.

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Bill
He gets, what day did you get sober, Mike? What day?

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Mike
April 22nd, 2010. And yes, very similar.

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Bill
Okay. Okay.

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Mike
I wasn't blacked out, but I was not in good shape. And I was in detox as well.

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Bill
So on the 18th, you were still, you were out there enjoying, doing, doing your best life still, right?

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Mike
ah The 17th.

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Bill
Or 17th. Yeah.

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Mike
Yeah, yeah.

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Bill
Okay. Okay.

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Mike
That was the day was falling down the driveway. Mm-hmm.

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Bill
Oh, okay. I gotcha. I gotcha.

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Bill
I gotcha. Okay. So, um but yeah, but seriously, it's a thank you. And the the first, um I just want to, in this, I want to talk about just briefly the the the grateful part of don't want to brag about shit because that's not really me.

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Mike
o

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Bill
Although we've decided, we've said it on here openly. Both Mike and I have, we each have a look at me day and it happens to be our anniversary. It's not our fucking birthdays. It's not fucking father's day.

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Mike
Right?

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Bill
It's no other day.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
um But next Friday is technically our look at us day. So the first text I got this morning from somebody was, um and this was Friday, April eighteenth at 735 AM.

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Mike
Yes.

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Bill
never 16. was that from? you'll never make sixteen who was that from

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Mike
yeah That would be from me.

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Bill
Yes, and you you were the ah first first text message, first interaction I had with the world um as far as the my my anniversary stuff. i mean, I posted stuff on Facebook and Instagram before then. but um So to remind everyone, why did you say that to me, Mike? Yeah.

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Mike
Well, let's see. How do you get a drunk to do something? You tell them that they can't.

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Bill
Yeah, hit our it was it it started, it mainly happened at, who do you know, correct? The the meeting?

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Mike
Oh, absolutely.

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Bill
okay that's what I was going to say. I didn't think it happened anywhere else.

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Mike
Nope.

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Bill
And the old ah you know all the old timers and our our sponsor, Joe, used to say it all the time.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
And um it got to the point where, I mean, we pretty much, not even pretty much, we demanded it. When we went to that meeting, we'd announce then we'd look over at Joe and just be like, you got to say it, man.

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Mike
Mm-hmm. Absolutely.

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Bill
Can't do this without you telling us we're not going to make the next year whatever it is. And then didn't somebody, somebody complained?

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Mike
Oh, yeah. did People do.

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Bill
Yeah.

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Mike
You know, because they're soft and stupid.

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Bill
Well, and they, and they don't understand the, the number one, the, the point behind it, the, the love and the caring behind it.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
Um, and the humor that goes along with this shit doesn't have to be, it not even doesn't have to be this shit, this sobriety thing.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
We didn't, we're not a glum lot, right?

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Mike
Exactly.

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Bill
I think I've heard that before.

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Mike
i read that somewhere.

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Bill
You know, so, um, I don't know. We don't have to all just sit there, you know, okay. Sit up straight, you know, and you're in your shirt and tie in a meeting, you know, and then just when somebody calls anyone with anniversary, raise your hand, stand up.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
My name is Bill.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
I am an alcoholic today.

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Mike
Yep.

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Bill
I have 15 years sober. I would, I sit down.

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Mike
for Yay.

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Bill
No,

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Mike
Great. How'd you do it?

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Bill
Hey, one day at a time. Hey, oh.

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Mike
and Yep.

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Bill
And that's another thing. That's the old timers used to like to say that. How did you do it?

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Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

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Bill
How did you do it?

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Mike
Exactly.

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Bill
You know, and what what they'd really want. Sometimes people, there was people in meetings that would literally do like a mini lead.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
Well, what I did was, and I changed this, and then everyone's like, Jesus Christ, dude, just say one day at a time and sit the fuck down, okay?

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Mike
exactly

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Bill
Yeah. Keep it fucking simple.

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Mike
awesome

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Bill
But um but yeah, I mean, I got yours was the first text I heard from Kathy. um ah My kids, both Kimmy and Derek, my son in law, Brian, Derek's girlfriend, Katie, couple of text messages from, you know, friends, messages from other friends.

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Mike
Cool.

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Mike
Hmm.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
People I know on Instagram, lot of love on Instagram and Facebook. It was, you know, stuff like that.

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Mike
Sure.

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Bill
It's wonderful. And then Tony sent me the thing, the Keating Center, they do it every year.

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Mike
Right. Yep.

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Bill
um You know, the alumnus, yeah alumnus whatever celebrates.

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Mike
Alumni, right?

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Bill
And, you know, Tony had sent me that. I would have seen it either way, but it was nice that he took the time to send it. i don't know. It's

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
It's nice. it's It's one of those things where, like we were talking about a few weeks ago, you know if ah if there's people out there that don't acknowledge anniversaries, fine. I don't understand it. It doesn't mean it's wrong. It doesn't mean it's a good thing or bad thing.

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Mike
Sure.

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Bill
I don't understand it because um it's just it's a it's it's the one thing in my life, first of all, that I've done, not on my own, but I've actually done the work.

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Mike
ah Right. Right.

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Bill
um I've never had, this is the longest relationship I've had by fucking far, right?

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
this This beats my both of my marriages combined.

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Mike
Yep.

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Bill
Fucking combined.

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Mike
Yep.

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Bill
And that's including the time that I started dating them, married them and divorced.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
Well, I didn't divorce them.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
You know, I, I think, uh, you know, combined Pam, I think I was with for maybe eight years and Dawn was a total of seven. But so it was, yeah, it was 15. Yeah.

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Mike
Sure.

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Bill
yeah I've, you know, I've, uh, I've equaled both of my marriages with, with this.

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Mike
Okay. Yes.

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Bill
So, but, uh, anyhow, it's, it's fun. And, but next week, yeah. Tune in next week to next week will be ah more of our anniversary, our look at, look at us episode.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
And that's that. So.

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Mike
Right, and exactly. And the second part of, you know, acknowledging your anniversary, yes, it's an accomplishment for us. Yes, we didn't do it alone, all that good stuff, but it's also showing people that it can be done.

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Mike
Look at this Mike.

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Bill
Right.

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Mike
He did it. Hell, I can do it.

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Bill
Right. Yeah. And, uh, and we're, and that's the other, you know, one of the other big reasons that, uh, you know, we go back to this podcast. Yes. We got together, um, you know, ah to do this podcast, Mike and I did to just have a conversation and then, you know, tell some stories, get together, base it base, base, like two weeks in a row, basically base, yeah.

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Mike
Basically.

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Bill
You're suffering. Fuck a tash. um But to basically have a meeting every week, but then then realizing that by, you know, getting some of the responses by telling these stories, um it was connecting with people and people looking at us her like at the time we're doing it.

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Mike
Yep.

00:07:06.73
Bill
OK, we're 12 years sober and we we had the same beginnings. Everyone else was no fucking different.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
Garden. What do you call yourself? Garden variety? What?

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Mike
Garden variety drunk who did a whole bunch of dope.

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Bill
yeah right That's the part that I'm always looking for.

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Mike
Uh-huh.

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Bill
I love that because anyone in these old times in the game, you I'm just a garden variety drunk.

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Mike
Yep.

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Bill
But you're like, yep, did a lot of dope.

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Mike
Mm-hmm. It's possible. Right. Not can be. It is.

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Bill
That's my favorite part. But but yeah, it is. It's ah it is letting other people realize that this this thing can be possible um by a couple of fuck sticks by us.

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Mike
Yep. Yep. is possible

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Bill
And yeah, it is. it It is possible.

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Mike
right

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Bill
And

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Mike
not caby it is

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Bill
Sorry, I didn't mean can be. is It is is possible, God damn it.

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Mike
l well

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Bill
and And yeah, I mean, we're we we keep it about as simple as we can. i know I complicate my life, but I don't complicate this thing um any anymore.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
I did for the first nine months. We've told that story before.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
So that's a long time ago. But then, yeah, Derek called me about something else. Fuck it, I'll talk it. Where's the Casey Kasem thing about the dead dog story? Okay.

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Bill
Okay.

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Mike
Goddamn dead dog story.

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Bill
okay

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
Yeah, he's not yet, but my buddy Ty, their dog, um they're going to have to put him down next Friday.

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Mike
Ah, shit.

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Bill
Yeah, well, so here's the thing. He's in Newfoundland, um carries every bit of 150 to 160 pounds.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Mike
Oh, yeah.

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Bill
He's almost nine years old.

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Mike
He's gigantic.

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Bill
Yeah, he's fucking huge. Well, yeah, you saw him a couple of times.

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Mike
Oh, yeah. Sure. I've met him.

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Bill
Yeah. um You know, but, you know, they the basically said, I guess the vet, Derek just told me this tonight, the vet said for years that his heart will far outlive his his bones and his body um because in like for him, um like his legs have been bowed for, I mean, for fucking years because when he was growing, he grew so quick that it bowed out his legs, you know?

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Mike
Right.

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Mike
Right.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
And yeah, to the point where back and joints and this and that, he can't even get up into the camper anymore.

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Mike
yeah

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Bill
And I mean, his pain pills aren't working. And so Derek's like, yeah,

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Mike
I hate when that happens.

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Bill
yeah

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
Yeah, well, this is okay. Yeah, the dog the dogkin of the drugs aren't doing it for Ty anymore.

00:09:04.27
Mike
Yeah.

00:09:05.82
Bill
But, you know, it's just so fucked up because I sent i had this memory um pop up the other day, and I sent it to Derek yesterday.

00:09:07.66
Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
And it was from ah the weekend that they got him. so And Derek was sitting out in the backyard with him. And I took this picture. This just little fucking mutt, you know? He's not a mutt.

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Mike
right

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Bill
um So I took a picture of him, and that was probably, you know, whatever, um nine years ago, eight years ago, whatever.

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Mike
yeah

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Mike
Sure.

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Bill
um You know, so, and I thought about like, God damn, whenever this dog goes, that's going to be a tough one.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
Because thing of it is, I mean, there's, I've had a lot of, we've had our own dogs, Kathy's dogs, my my daughter and Brian's dogs.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
I love them all, you know, but just this connection that I have had with this dog.

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Mike
Sure.

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Bill
I mean, he, He fucking loves me, you know?

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
So, you know, I told Derek, I said, you know, and I said, and I'll tell you this, I got to go up to Wisconsin on Monday. I'll tell that in a little bit after we do your reading and stuff. But I said, going to be up there. I said, mom's still working at home. I said, do you mind? Maybe I could stop by and see him.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
So I am. to stop by on Monday and see him for a minute.

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Mike
ah Yeah.

00:10:01.95
Bill
So.

00:10:02.86
Mike
Say goodbye.

00:10:03.90
Bill
Well, I haven't cried in a while, so I figured I'd stop by and

00:10:05.53
Mike
Sure. Right.

00:10:09.49
Bill
see my buddy. but But yeah, I'll tell you.

00:10:10.41
Mike
Yes. Well, damn.

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Bill
Yeah, I know I was bummed out. But yeah mean again, it it kind of is what it is. hes

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Mike
see

00:10:17.57
Bill
He's had a wonderful life. He's a great dog.

00:10:18.83
Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
um You know, he has lived his best life.

00:10:21.58
Mike
Yeah. Yes, he has.

00:10:25.21
Bill
He's got all over the goddamn world and campgrounds. Not the world, but he's been campgrounds and this and that, living again, living his best life, so.

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Mike
Sure.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Bill
But anyhow, so, God damn, she's going to give me a dead dog story.

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Mike
Right.

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Mike
here

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Bill
Coming into ah um into a snappy number.

00:10:39.62
Mike
Coming out of this upbeat record.

00:10:41.73
Bill
yeah coming out of this anniversary, I get to give you a dead dog story.

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Mike
ah

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Bill
I don't mean to make light of it because I love that fucking, I love that fucking dog to death.

00:10:47.74
Mike
I know. Yo.

00:10:49.76
Bill
So, but anyhow, so, um, all right, I'll get to my Monday thing. I got other shit on here. I got actually some fun stuff. I don't know. We got, I think we might have some sobriety things, but I got all these little fucking notes that came up this week, kind of fun stuff.

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Mike
Huh?

00:11:01.50
Bill
But, uh, anyhow, do you, um, I don't know.

00:11:02.05
Mike
cool

00:11:04.59
Bill
i was going to say in honor my anniversary. Yeah.

00:11:07.64
Mike
No.

00:11:08.67
Bill
Okay, I'll step back. Do you have a reading like you normally do regardless of what day is?

00:11:11.96
Mike
ah Well, ah we're going to find one. We're going to spin the wheel and see what the fuck happens.

00:11:15.04
Bill
yeah Oh, awesome.

00:11:17.30
Mike
Yep.

00:11:17.37
Bill
Awesome.

00:11:18.57
Mike
Yep. So here we go. Let me grab hold of this wheel here and...

00:11:22.05
Bill
Anniversary spin.

00:11:23.09
Mike
yeah Because it's all about you.

00:11:27.58
Bill
That's why I did that.

00:11:29.85
Mike
All right, here we go. Well, well, look at this. This will work. April 23rd. All right, let's see what the fuck it says. All right. a

00:11:35.88
Bill
He's calling me a dick now too.

00:11:37.40
Mike
yep

00:11:38.31
Bill
yeah yeah

00:11:39.47
Mike
well well look at this this'll work

00:11:42.36
Bill
Okay.

00:11:42.55
Mike
april twenty third

00:11:44.15
Bill
Aha.

00:11:45.73
Mike
all right let's see what the fuck it says all right um Unthankfulness is theft. Martin Luther, the original. ah Let's see here many ah Many of us have experienced a guest who tracked in dirt, ate our food, dirtied our dishes, took our time, whined and complained through the whole visit, and left without saying thank you Such experiences leave us feeling angry and ripped off.

00:12:16.74
Mike
We aren't eager to invite that person back to our house or do any favors for him or her. Let's make sure we don't act like that bad guest.

00:12:27.96
Mike
Let's be aware of the kind of things people do for us every day, from greeting us with a smile or opening a door to preparing a meal or washing our clothes.

00:12:38.67
Mike
Let's remember that we've been given the gift of sobriety and to daily offer prayers of gratitude. Let's Let us look around the group and be grateful for those who offer up their stories and their hope.

00:12:53.16
Mike
Higher Power, thank you. To my group, thank you. To life, thank you. Prayer for the day. Higher Power, thank you for inviting me into your house and for the many wonderful gifts you have given me.

00:13:08.29
Mike
Thank you for your love and the gift of sobriety. Today's action. Damn it. We got to do something now. Today i will call three group members and thank them for what they have given me.

00:13:23.45
Bill
Well, um I don't know. You want to make a couple of phone calls while out here? You could just, you know what? I'll tell you, let's do this. Mike, thank thank you

00:13:30.27
Mike
Yes. Bill, thank you.

00:13:34.80
Bill
Thanks is all on both sides of the table today. So, but what a, what a nice, seriously, what a nice ah ah reading as far as, you know, ah talking about, in again, I know it wasn't about me, but um that truly is ah great reading for a reflection reading for an anniversary, you know, or coming up, coming up on one.

00:13:36.79
Mike
That's right.

00:13:53.05
Mike
Yeah, absolutely.

00:13:54.81
Bill
and I mean, you'll, you'll understand what it,

00:13:55.58
Mike
but Especially one... Yeah, I'll understand it when I get more time. I know.

00:13:58.76
Bill
Damn it.

00:13:59.11
Mike
Yeah.

00:13:59.52
Bill
I was, I was, I was not going to do it unless it came up naturally.

00:14:03.59
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:14:03.65
Bill
I'm like, there's somebody opened the door and then you fucking jumped the route. That's fine. That's even better.

00:14:07.47
Mike
Yeah, that's good.

00:14:08.44
Bill
It's even better. But, uh,

00:14:10.68
Mike
Well, and considering it's an anniversary of a hobo, America's guest.

00:14:16.75
Bill
right, right. Who's, who's anniversary? I'm a hobo.

00:14:19.96
Mike
Yeah, a hobo's anniversary.

00:14:22.93
Bill
Oh, give me, me, me. You mean me hobo?

00:14:25.58
Mike
Yeah, you're a hobo.

00:14:27.13
Bill
No, I know. But then you said America's guest. I'm like, wait a second. I thought you were talking about, seriously. Yeah. I thought you were talking about me just fucking with me.

00:14:33.51
Mike
Yeah.

00:14:33.80
Bill
And then I'm like, are you talking about somebody else? Did I miss something?

00:14:35.55
Mike
No.

00:14:36.45
Bill
Okay.

00:14:36.45
Mike
No.

00:14:36.81
Bill
That's okay. I'm i'm here.

00:14:37.48
Mike
You're America's guest.

00:14:41.16
Bill
Hi. Bill is America's guest.

00:14:43.29
Mike
All right.

00:14:46.45
Bill
Okay, I'll take it. So we're back on track now.

00:14:47.71
Mike
Yes. Yes.

00:14:48.78
Bill
And now here's the thing, folks. If we edited, that probably would have got it edited. You know what? We wouldn't have an episode. We we run for 90 minutes. We'd have about 47 minutes of content if we ever edited anything.

00:14:56.44
Mike
Oh, yeah. Right. had Probably about five minutes.

00:15:00.64
Bill
Yeah. Exactly. But no, I just think it's, it was nice because, um you know, it really, it does. And we've talked about this leading up to anniversaries over the last, usually for me, I mentioned ah a couple of episodes or a few episodes ago, beginning of the year, every year is kind of when, you know, I start to become ah more reflective, you know, it's just, you can see and feel that anniversary coming around the corner.

00:15:14.84
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:15:21.56
Mike
Right.

00:15:24.76
Bill
It's a few months away at that point. um And yeah, you know, you just kind of like, you're like, wow, holy shit, you know, Um, but you know, it is, it's a matter of ah being grateful and looking back and saying, okay, like we're talking about, um, you know, we didn't do this on our own.

00:15:38.41
Bill
We don't do this on our own.

00:15:38.60
Mike
Right? Mm-hmm.

00:15:40.16
Bill
Um, I mean, yes, I mean, 15 years is a long fucking time. Don't get me wrong, but, um, it could be taken away in 15 seconds, you know, and easily within 15 seconds.

00:15:48.68
Mike
Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yep.

00:15:51.99
Bill
Right.

00:15:52.29
Mike
Yep.

00:15:52.78
Bill
I think we might've given ourselves 20 seconds at one point, but,

00:15:55.61
Mike
Ah, whatever. Now, yeah crack that seal, man.

00:15:59.36
Bill
Yeah, easily 15. Yeah, 15 seconds. yeah So I think you were the one you've probably said four seconds. Now I think about it.

00:16:04.18
Mike
ha, ha, ha, ha.

00:16:04.71
Bill
So you said, how long does it take to open the bottle and get it to your lips? And I'm like, one, two.

00:16:07.46
Mike
Yes, exactly.

00:16:09.11
Bill
Yeah, for probably four seconds.

00:16:09.98
Mike
Yeah. Yep.

00:16:11.44
Bill
But yeah, it it is. It's the, you know, and i'm I'm guilty of, you know, forgetting to be grateful and forgetting to to realize, you know, exactly what I have, especially, you know, when anyone in life, you know, shit starts to go weird at a certain point.

00:16:17.50
Mike
Sure.

00:16:24.30
Bill
I've had my weird moments.

00:16:24.50
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:16:25.93
Bill
Um, you know, but, uh, and yeah, I got a little update on my leg too. I'm having a weird moment with this fucking pain.

00:16:31.20
Mike
Yeah.

00:16:31.43
Bill
Um, you know, but, um, shit, there's so many other things in the world that are fucked up.

00:16:38.70
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:16:38.84
Bill
So many other people that are fucked up in many different ways. And okay. So my fucking leg hurts. It hurts really fucking bad.

00:16:45.32
Mike
Yep.

00:16:47.08
Bill
Don't, don't get me wrong.

00:16:47.25
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:16:48.40
Bill
Okay. But, um, I'm not dead.

00:16:51.62
Mike
Right?

00:16:51.69
Bill
Um, you know, I'm,

00:16:53.31
Mike
It's just one leg. It's not both of them.

00:16:56.56
Bill
Yeah, once I give you the update, if it was both legs, if it both legs, I'd be fucked.

00:16:59.37
Mike
All

00:17:00.97
Bill
I'll give you the update in little bit. But um I like the fact that when it was talking about the, you know, obviously um unthankfulness was the opening part and, you know, tells us to be grateful.

00:17:02.56
Mike
right.

00:17:10.05
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:17:11.59
Bill
But when it was talking about the bad guests, the biggest thing that I liked in there, it's, you know, the whatever it is, not cleaning up, tracking and this and that, but...

00:17:19.13
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:17:19.89
Bill
took our time, right?

00:17:21.33
Mike
Yep. Yep.

00:17:22.23
Bill
Because that, and I think we've talked about it on here. If not, it's something I, somebody said to me years ago, um I know it was, it was ah the dick of a manager I worked for at True Green and he was a fucking raging asshole, um you know, to work for a decent enough guy on the outside, but he's like, take my money, um take my job.

00:17:31.38
Mike
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Sure.

00:17:37.57
Mike
Sure.

00:17:40.49
Bill
He goes, you can even have my wife. He goes, I can get new ones of all those things. He says, but by don't steal my time.

00:17:44.53
Mike
Yeah.

00:17:47.96
Bill
And I he goes, I can never get that back. And I mean, that was fucking years ago, you know.

00:17:51.83
Mike
Right.

00:17:52.59
Bill
um But yeah, that's the thing, you know, is that when like you talk about all the time about not wanting to waste calories, that's a form of somebody basically stealing your time or you maybe even stealing your own time, right?

00:18:02.30
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, we were i I remember sitting in group and, you know, being yelled at by very large black guy.

00:18:15.56
Mike
and And, you know, I mean, I remember dude saying, oh, I didn't steal from my family. You know, I stole from a lot of people, but didn't steal from my family. And he looked at him, he said he stole their time.

00:18:28.28
Bill
Right.

00:18:28.74
Mike
And I went, yelp.

00:18:32.15
Bill
Yeah.

00:18:32.32
Mike
Related to that one.

00:18:34.12
Bill
And i was I was one of the guys that he was berating about that because he's like you know because people used to always talk or ask me, to like, oh, when's the last time you were ripping and running?

00:18:36.84
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:18:43.33
Bill
i'm like, I didn't. you know I said, I i still i had a job.

00:18:44.80
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:18:46.05
Bill
I wasn't paying my bills.

00:18:46.68
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:18:47.25
Bill
Yeah, but I didn't i didn't go around doing that. um I don't look at anyone who did and say, how could you?

00:18:50.66
Mike
Right. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

00:18:52.97
Bill
you know I never did that. It's not that. I just didn't.

00:18:55.69
Mike
Right.

00:18:56.00
Bill
It was a not yet moment.

00:18:57.33
Mike
Yeah.

00:18:57.55
Bill
Um, I know I would have, I mean, in a fucking heartbeat, I would have to, to, you know, survive or eat or drink or whatever it is.

00:18:58.93
Mike
Sure. Uh-huh.

00:19:03.81
Mike
Yeah.

00:19:04.40
Bill
Um, but yeah, he, you know, he's asking me all these things. of bla blah blah buy right ra Well, you took your, your son's time, your ex-wife's time, your family's time.

00:19:10.15
Mike
Yep.

00:19:11.75
Bill
You stole their time.

00:19:13.12
Mike
Yep. Yep.

00:19:15.25
Bill
Like, chill out, Larry. That's not what I said. I wouldn't have.

00:19:18.01
Mike
no Yeah, Mm hmm.

00:19:18.27
Bill
I was.

00:19:20.83
Bill
First of all, I was so fucking pissed. um But because he was right, you know.

00:19:25.43
Mike
yeah exactly

00:19:26.72
Bill
And and that's why we used to sit there and watch, you know, watch him go after people, because um it was this just this straight in your face, this scared straight type of thing, you know, in your face, honesty that I know I needed.

00:19:39.99
Bill
You know, I didn't want it.

00:19:39.98
Mike
Yep, me too.

00:19:41.11
Bill
Yeah.

00:19:41.43
Mike
we have Hell no.

00:19:44.36
Mike
Didn't want it, but definitely needed it.

00:19:47.41
Bill
And then it also talked about, you know, people doing, you know, doing nice things for us. And, you know, the gifts that we receive, obviously, you know, in sobriety.

00:19:51.69
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:19:54.82
Bill
And, and you know, that, I don't know, just in in general, it's, I don't need, and granted, you know, Kathy and obviously Kathy and mom used to get us our coins. And I know that, I know for a fact your coins at the house, because it came before I left.

00:20:03.91
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:20:07.40
Mike
Yeah.

00:20:07.58
Bill
So your coin is there. um I'm sure mine came, you know, i probably after I left, her maybe even came in one of the packages while Kathy was gone.

00:20:13.40
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:20:15.39
Bill
i don't know. um But so, you know, they get us coins, you know, these specialty coins every year.

00:20:20.17
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:20:20.26
Bill
And I mean, um i mean, yeah, we we expect them. But if if for whatever reason she said, hey, you know, I'm just I I can't do it anymore, whatever the case is, I wouldn't be mad.

00:20:24.49
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:20:28.98
Mike
Sure. Yeah.

00:20:30.92
Bill
I would just buy my own specialty coin.

00:20:31.54
Mike
No. Yeah.

00:20:34.57
Bill
I would still do it because I like the specialty coins, but, you know, something like that, people going, you know, and literally going out of their way.

00:20:37.05
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:20:41.06
Bill
It's not hard, but, you know, ah both mom and Kathy and now Kathy does it, you know, they go out of their way to to do those things for us.

00:20:42.35
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:20:47.68
Bill
And it's in acknowledging that people messaging us, texting us.

00:20:47.65
Mike
Yeah.

00:20:51.26
Bill
um

00:20:51.41
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:20:52.49
Bill
It's just, it's, yeah. When I talked to Derek, he said that goes, first of all, yeah um you know, on the phone, When he's to tell me about Ty, he said, you know, just again, goes, happy anniversary.

00:20:57.27
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:21:00.53
Bill
I said, thank you. And he goes, he goes, I didn't, he goes, it didn't click that it was 15 years.

00:21:05.44
Mike
Yeah.

00:21:05.97
Bill
And he goes, he goes, I thought maybe 13 laughing.

00:21:08.47
Mike
Huh?

00:21:09.38
Bill
And I said, yeah, I said, it's 15. And he's like, he's like, that's kind of cool. That's a long time. I'm like, and I said, here's the thing.

00:21:13.74
Mike
ah

00:21:14.57
Bill
I said, it is. But I said, we've known people, you know, in their fifties, you know, of years.

00:21:19.82
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:21:20.00
Bill
And I'm like, don't get me wrong. It's a long time. But, uh, and I, I'm really, I just told him, I said, I said, I'm proud of it, but I said, I'm really fucking grateful, you know?

00:21:22.21
Mike
Right.

00:21:27.25
Mike
Yeah.

00:21:27.86
Bill
Uh, cause when you look at it, it is, it's a long fucking time, you know, but again, four seconds, didn't we say four seconds?

00:21:30.62
Mike
Yeah.

00:21:34.61
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:21:34.84
Bill
We could just, it can all fucking go away.

00:21:35.19
Mike
We did. Yep. Absolutely. Burn this motherfucker to the ground in four seconds.

00:21:39.38
Bill
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Isn't that, isn't that fucking wild?

00:21:43.39
Mike
Uh-huh. Yeah.

00:21:45.18
Bill
I, I, I'm laughing just uncomfortably right now because it's so true.

00:21:48.17
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:21:49.63
Bill
And you know what? And, and I know I said this before, but, um, now, I mean, I don't necessarily have, I think at the time I thought had this thought, I probably had more, yeah i didn't make more money than I make now, but I had more expendable income.

00:22:03.02
Mike
Sure.

00:22:03.51
Bill
because we were still, we were still living at the Keating center.

00:22:03.57
Mike
Yeah.

00:22:05.39
Bill
And I just started that, you know, my first big boy job.

00:22:05.37
Mike
Right.

00:22:08.52
Mike
Yep.

00:22:08.93
Bill
And I remember walking out of that place on a, on a Saturday. Cause have to work every other Saturday, you know, it's, you know, 12 noon and it's sunny and whatever it is.

00:22:13.18
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:22:16.30
Bill
And, um, you know, I just, I, I had no place to go that day.

00:22:16.74
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:22:20.28
Bill
I thought about it. I'm like, I have the time, I have the money and I have the opportunity.

00:22:23.81
Mike
Yep. Yeah.

00:22:25.60
Bill
Um, but what I don't have is I don't have the desire to drink right now.

00:22:29.01
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:22:29.60
Bill
And that was fucking crazy to me, you know?

00:22:31.59
Mike
yeah Yeah, it's fucking insane, man.

00:22:34.90
Bill
Oh, and I was just like, I had all everything. had no place to, mean, I could have gone anywhere I wanted to.

00:22:38.86
Mike
Sure. Oh, yeah.

00:22:39.63
Bill
And I did. I had more than enough money to go out and light this motherfucker up.

00:22:40.46
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:22:43.74
Mike
Yep. Oh, yeah. You know, I mean, it's still, you know, far less often. But, yeah, occasionally, I'll just, you know, whatever. Something will, yeah, like you said, sunny day, whatever, blah, blah. bla it The fucking thought crosses your mind.

00:22:58.27
Mike
You know, I could, but I don't have to. That's the beautiful thing.

00:23:02.65
Bill
Yeah. Well, and that's the, that's the biggest thing. And I'm glad you brought that up because we've said it before. And I, I want to just say it again, is that we were never told, um, you know, when, when we first got sober, that we were never going to be able to drink again, or that you can never drink again.

00:23:15.63
Mike
Right.

00:23:17.27
Bill
Nobody ever said that to us.

00:23:17.73
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:23:18.85
Bill
People said, we're going to show you why you won't need to, or why you won't have to, you know, and there's a big difference.

00:23:18.85
Mike
Right.

00:23:21.68
Mike
Yeah. Yep.

00:23:25.47
Mike
Yeah.

00:23:25.54
Bill
huge difference, you know?

00:23:26.93
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:23:27.76
Bill
And it's just, I remember, i remember that I remember who said it to me, but I remember the first time I heard that I'm just like, wow, that's really, that's cool. You know?

00:23:34.49
Mike
Yeah.

00:23:35.34
Bill
Cause I won't, it again, don't have to, don't have the need to, the desire to add all the different adjectives you want to it.

00:23:38.22
Mike
Yeah.

00:23:41.13
Bill
But um yeah, nobody's telling me I can't, I'm just not going to have to.

00:23:41.36
Mike
Yeah.

00:23:44.51
Mike
Sure. Yeah, don't have to. That's, yeah, it's great, man. Right. I mean, yeah, like you said, you know, opportunity. God knows there's motive. There's always motive.

00:23:54.82
Bill
yeah

00:23:55.51
Mike
We're fucking alcoholics.

00:23:56.46
Bill
Right. Right.

00:23:59.71
Mike
Right. But yes, there's no need.

00:24:03.12
Bill
yeah Same thing as, you know, and people say that there's there's no reason to drink.

00:24:03.25
Mike
Not today.

00:24:06.54
Bill
Well, yeah, there is. There's always a fucking reason.

00:24:07.85
Mike
oh yeah. theres i

00:24:08.59
Bill
Just depends.

00:24:09.34
Mike
I'll find a reason. I always did.

00:24:11.86
Bill
Yeah. I mean, there's a there's there's more reasons for me to drink than there are not to drink, I'm sure, on certain days.

00:24:16.35
Mike
Oh, absolutely.

00:24:17.29
Bill
I can find, can justify any goddamn thing.

00:24:18.26
Mike
Yeah.

00:24:20.11
Bill
Any goddamn thing in the world. You know, was funny. and I can't now I can't remember. I was going to make a note of it. There was sometime this week I was someplace and I had this um again, this um that, you know, that just that feeling that came over me of like, this is a drinking thing.

00:24:35.67
Mike
Right? Yeah.

00:24:36.37
Bill
You know, and I don't remember what it was. I know what it was. I was saying it was just just yesterday. It was after um after I was done making dinner. I was at the kitchen sink kind of washing up a couple of things and looking outside just the way the sun. The sun was kind of shining in the window later in the day like that.

00:24:50.27
Mike
Right?

00:24:50.75
Bill
And it looked a lot warmer out than it was. It wasn't cold, but it wasn't like smoking hot. Yeah.

00:24:55.58
Mike
Yeah.

00:24:56.87
Bill
But I just, you know I got this feeling or what it reminded me of is um summertime, being at Dawn's parents, ah we used to go outside and we'd play, you know, again, play beanbags back and forth, cornhole, whatever you want to call it.

00:24:58.83
Mike
Yeah.

00:25:01.66
Mike
Yep.

00:25:03.88
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:25:08.25
Mike
Right.

00:25:09.62
Bill
um Have some drinks, do this. I mean, usually grill out or grab something, whatever it was.

00:25:13.92
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:25:13.96
Bill
This big, you know, and the kids were there. was nothing, you know, unruly. I mean, yeah, we we got lit up on a number of occasions.

00:25:17.30
Mike
Sure. Yeah.

00:25:20.36
Bill
But um it just, yeah, I'm standing there at the goddamn sink. one One day before my anniversary, thinking about when I used to be drinking 25 years ago, you know, or 22 years ago, three years ago, whatever it was.

00:25:27.05
Mike
Yeah.

00:25:29.86
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:25:32.68
Mike
Yeah, right. Mm-hmm.

00:25:33.69
Bill
It's weird. The mind is a fucking weird thing.

00:25:39.15
Bill
It's a fucking weird thing. But yeah, that's, I couldn't think of it until the end. I'm like, yeah that's exactly what it was. It's just stupid.

00:25:43.91
Mike
isn it

00:25:44.73
Bill
But, uh, okay. So back to the reading, anything else, uh, um, that you picked out from there? I mean, I think I hit all the, all the highlights that I had that I put down on here, but, um,

00:25:52.44
Mike
Yeah. You know, again, you know, maybe when I get some more time, I'll be able to contribute more.

00:25:59.47
Bill
I'm done with that for this for this year.

00:26:00.06
Mike
Mm-hmm. Okay.

00:26:01.11
Bill
You're you're safe. you You jumped the route, so kudos to you. I'm not mad about it. I'm just like, fuck. Because seriously, i I thought about it going into this. I literally did. I haven't thought about that in a long time because it just doesn't come up that much.

00:26:13.50
Bill
We don't fuck with each other that much about it you know too much anymore.

00:26:14.94
Mike
yeah

00:26:17.77
Bill
um But it I thought about it coming in this. I'm like, if this, because again, we're recording. It's on my anniversary. I'm like like, I wonder if.

00:26:23.92
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:26:24.97
Bill
I'm like, I'm only going do it if it's natural.

00:26:27.58
Mike
Right.

00:26:28.37
Bill
in that door open just a little bit that you jumped and you're like, gotcha fucker. I'm like, God damn it.

00:26:31.84
Mike
Yep.

00:26:34.29
Bill
Son of a bitch.

00:26:35.36
Mike
Yep. Exactly. Well, you know, yeah you've got 15 years today. i don't.

00:26:41.42
Bill
Right. And it's, and it's okay. I, you know, I still, I still love you.

00:26:45.71
Mike
I appreciate that.

00:26:46.04
Bill
I do. I'll still hang out with you. It's okay.

00:26:48.91
Mike
All right. You know, right.

00:26:49.44
Bill
It's all good.

00:26:50.03
Mike
Even though I'm one of them newbies.

00:26:53.52
Bill
14 years, days? No, 361 days, and you're fucking newbie. days no three hundred and sixty one days

00:26:58.92
Mike
Sure. Yeah.

00:27:00.99
Bill
and you're a fucking doopby

00:27:02.37
Mike
Yep. It was. Hmm.

00:27:05.15
Bill
Yeah, but anyhow, no, that was a, I mean, for a, for a spin of the wheel, that was a great reading. So, um, so thank you.

00:27:09.84
Mike
it was

00:27:12.02
Bill
All right. So, um, you went to the, and I completely, completely forgot about it last weekend. Um, or last week when we were on the, uh, the episode, then I saw the, obviously the pictures. So, uh, the Keating center event was last weekend, right?

00:27:23.22
Mike
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:27:24.76
Bill
Yeah. So how was it?

00:27:24.94
Mike
Right. I was like, where the hell did I go? I didn't go anywhere.

00:27:29.55
Bill
Yes, you did.

00:27:30.67
Mike
Yes, I did. I went and was of service. No, it was fine. Yeah, we had a good turnout. Made a lot of money. You know, um boys will have a roof over their head for another couple days. You know, yeah. of And women.

00:27:44.43
Mike
ah Yeah, it was it was good. We had a good time.

00:27:47.92
Bill
Well, that's good. Yeah. So that was at, was that at the Keating center or was that at the, Oh, okay.

00:27:51.50
Mike
No, it was at the Chevy Hall.

00:27:53.94
Bill
I couldn't, I couldn't remember. I mean, I saw the, that was the spring fling one, right?

00:27:58.03
Mike
Yes.

00:27:59.24
Bill
Okay. Well, that's cool. Yeah. Like I said, I saw the pictures and i'm like, Oh fuck that.

00:28:02.36
Mike
Yeah.

00:28:02.80
Bill
We didn't even think about, I just didn't cross my mind. I saw the, saw the post coming up to it and i'm like, well, that's, that's a note note to sell for, for next week.

00:28:05.46
Mike
Right.

00:28:10.48
Bill
So, but yeah, yeah.

00:28:10.71
Mike
isn Yep. We got another one. Made a couple bucks for the Keating Center and they'll stay open. As far as I know, they're open today. So.

00:28:19.50
Bill
They never close. They're like 7-Eleven.

00:28:21.84
Mike
That's right.

00:28:23.85
Bill
But, I mean, yeah, that's well that's something that, I don't know, it's been, well, that when was that, when was this really cold, um that wasn't this past October, or was it?

00:28:33.90
Mike
Oh, yeah, when we froze our asses off out there.

00:28:34.08
Bill
When did, yeah, the Clambake, was that, not this year, was it last?

00:28:38.09
Mike
ah

00:28:39.45
Bill
23. 23.

00:28:39.84
Mike
i think, yeah, I think it was, yeah, like a year and a half ago.

00:28:43.65
Bill
twenty three

00:28:44.58
Mike
Yeah.

00:28:45.75
Bill
Okay. So, I mean, think, yeah, because that might have been, that might've been, that would have been the last one. Oh yeah. Yeah. Cause I was in, I was in West Virginia this year in October.

00:28:53.19
Mike
Right.

00:28:54.19
Bill
um

00:28:54.16
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:28:55.36
Bill
But I mean, I've always enjoyed, you know, being, being a part of with that. And it's just so funny.

00:28:59.09
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:29:00.41
Bill
I mean, like even, even that one, um you know, when I was there and I think, I think I was talking to Michelle, i' like, what do you want me to do She's like, you want to work in this? I'm like, I'm like, I looked at her. and like, I, first of all, I think I have to,

00:29:11.35
Mike
Right.

00:29:12.30
Bill
I mean, I know I have to.

00:29:13.92
Mike
Yeah.

00:29:14.18
Bill
She's like, no, you don't. like, no, no, no, I do. but But yeah, I said, just tell me what you want me to do.

00:29:16.28
Mike
Right.

00:29:18.26
Bill
And I said, I will i will do anything. I feel just stupid.

00:29:22.10
Mike
Yeah.

00:29:22.77
Bill
If I were just sitting there being like, hey, how's everyone doing?

00:29:24.25
Mike
Oh, yeah. I mean, I can't imagine going to of those things and like not working it.

00:29:29.43
Bill
Yeah, I mean, it just...

00:29:29.39
Mike
Yeah. it It would be uncomfortable. Yeah.

00:29:31.74
Bill
Yeah, I mean, and uncomfortable.

00:29:32.04
Mike
Yeah.

00:29:33.06
Bill
And I would just feel like, well, why why am I even here? you know i mean, not not that.

00:29:35.80
Mike
yeah

00:29:36.86
Bill
I mean, but...

00:29:37.47
Mike
Yeah, right. Clearly, you know, spend money and stuff like I do anyway. But yeah, I mean, you know, we I when I walked in that place, nobody asked for it me for any money.

00:29:43.46
Bill
Right.

00:29:48.43
Mike
they They said, here's a bed.

00:29:48.84
Bill
right

00:29:50.11
Mike
Here's some food. You need some clothes. You need some toiletries. You need what do you need? Here it is. You know, and oh, and by the way, here's some sobriety. Uh huh.

00:30:01.09
Bill
By the way, we're going to help show you why you why you won't have to drink and why you might but might have to live for another couple of years or something like that.

00:30:01.11
Mike
Yes.

00:30:06.28
Mike
Yes.

00:30:08.71
Mike
Exactly.

00:30:10.43
Bill
Maybe rebuild your life and your family and get your kids back and all those sort of things. And all you're going to do is a couple of little things. You've got to read some books.

00:30:16.91
Mike
Yep.

00:30:17.08
Bill
You've got to some steps. You've got to go some meetings.

00:30:18.26
Mike
Yep. Yep.

00:30:20.74
Bill
And yeah, and oh, oh yeah, by the way, all of this, that we're not going to ask any for for any money, but I remember Marty saying, we're at some group meeting or he did this whole group meeting and he, it might've been when a bunch of us were going, you know, like i'll looking it for work or three quarter, whatever, close to that.

00:30:25.93
Mike
yeah

00:30:37.16
Bill
And I just, i remember him specifically saying that he goes, you don't have to fly back here on your private helicopter and, you know, do this.

00:30:44.35
Mike
Right.

00:30:45.38
Bill
And the other thing is the only thing that we ever ask of you is to come back and if nothing else, show your face. um But he said, if you want to help out, you want to do something, you know, give back, come back here.

00:30:54.24
Mike
Yeah.

00:30:55.24
Bill
goes, again, don't, don't to come back with money and gifts.

00:30:55.23
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:30:58.05
Bill
Just come back here and give back, you know, by helping, you know, yeah.

00:31:01.30
Mike
Yeah. Time. Yep.

00:31:04.33
Bill
And it's, it's, it's nothing.

00:31:04.36
Mike
Exactly.

00:31:07.05
Mike
Yeah. Right.

00:31:09.77
Bill
I remember though, that we had, God, we wanted to, you and I were borrowing the the big cargo van the one time.

00:31:18.23
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:31:18.38
Bill
um We're trying to get those, getting some furniture out of Johnny Gales.

00:31:22.55
Mike
Gail and John's.

00:31:23.60
Bill
yay Yeah.

00:31:23.65
Mike
Yeah.

00:31:24.23
Bill
And then i remember him saying, he's like, he's like, oh yeah you can use a van. He goes, but while you're doing that, remember what we had to do, but we had to do something else.

00:31:29.24
Mike
Right.

00:31:32.18
Mike
and Go pick up some food or something or yeah, something.

00:31:34.41
Bill
Yeah.

00:31:34.90
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

00:31:36.66
Bill
While you're using the van, he's like, it puts some goddamn gas in it too.

00:31:39.61
Mike
Oh, yeah.

00:31:40.35
Bill
I'm like, well, but yeah, I mean, I don't go and rent a truck without putting gas in it.

00:31:40.66
Mike
Right.

00:31:43.82
Mike
Right.

00:31:45.89
Bill
Use the goddamn Keating Center her van and cruise back in there with, you know, but fucking fumes.

00:31:50.68
Mike
Yep.

00:31:51.10
Bill
But yeah, you could use it. But while you're out yeah to do this for me.

00:31:53.93
Mike
ah Yeah, run an errand for me.

00:31:56.74
Bill
ah

00:31:57.25
Mike
Yep.

00:31:57.60
Bill
yeah and ah

00:31:58.09
Mike
Okay.

00:31:59.17
Bill
again, I've i've never... um i would The only time I would have ever said no to something like that if he asked me to do something was it be if there was a true life conflict in the way.

00:32:06.75
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:32:09.50
Mike
Sure.

00:32:10.34
Bill
But beyond that, I mean, I would never say no.

00:32:10.36
Mike
Right.

00:32:12.75
Bill
be like, well...

00:32:13.18
Mike
Yeah.

00:32:15.22
Bill
I'm kind of busy.

00:32:16.02
Mike
Yeah.

00:32:16.94
Bill
What?

00:32:19.42
Bill
you You're what?

00:32:21.37
Mike
Right.

00:32:22.51
Bill
No, dude, you're fucking alive. You need to get your ass over here and help me out.

00:32:25.83
Mike
Yep. Exactly.

00:32:28.41
Bill
But yeah, never had never had a problem with that. So, all right. A couple other quick things here. So we got that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we got a comment from our friend, and we talked about her before, our friend Sheila.

00:32:39.99
Bill
And you and I talked about her, and I'll bring it up here in a second.

00:32:40.45
Mike
hmm.

00:32:42.88
Bill
But we had asked ah people, A couple of episodes with our our episode, Gargling Snake Sperm.

00:32:49.39
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:32:50.30
Bill
We did the play along thing with everyone, had everyone do the Google search. First of all, um Kathy sent to sent an email and said she got the same search results as you did.

00:32:54.40
Mike
Right.

00:32:59.00
Mike
Cool.

00:32:59.53
Bill
um So Kathy did. And then our our friend Sheila, who is um a listener of ours and has been for ah long time.

00:33:06.64
Mike
Right.

00:33:07.46
Bill
but also one of our followers on Instagram. Um, and her, her message on Instagram was you asked, I answer top Google responses to gargling snake sperm are sober, not mature and Jessica Simpson.

00:33:20.73
Bill
What strange bedfellows you make.

00:33:23.07
Mike
wow yeah

00:33:24.67
Bill
And then she said, be sure to wash the sheets. Yeah.

00:33:27.81
Mike
ah wow

00:33:29.11
Bill
Yeah, that's a, that's our friend Sheila. So, um, I messaged her right after that.

00:33:34.50
Mike
z

00:33:35.12
Bill
And I said, uh, I said, so, um, how would you feel about, you know, coming on the podcast? And she's like, what? Wow. I was talking to Mike about it. Cause the whole point is that, um, two things is that we have, uh, we, we have a higher, and I'm going to talk about the, these numbers here in a minute too, because it was kind of a funny thing.

00:33:45.05
Mike
yeah

00:33:53.78
Bill
So we have a higher number of females on our, that follow us on Instagram. Um,

00:33:58.13
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:33:58.43
Bill
We have a higher number of males that follow us ah or that listen to us on here. And it's almost the same.

00:34:03.09
Mike
Hmm.

00:34:03.85
Bill
It's like that 60%, like a 60-40 split, um both you know opposites, okay?

00:34:06.67
Mike
Hmm.

00:34:09.11
Mike
Okay.

00:34:09.58
Bill
um which is Which is weird. But I told her, I said, so, you know, I said, you're not only ah you know a follower and a listener, but I said, you're active with us. You know, and I said, I think it'd be fun.

00:34:17.60
Mike
Right.

00:34:18.98
Bill
And I think she's, i if i if I remember back, she might have five, six, seven years, somewhere in there. Um, she's been sober a bit.

00:34:25.83
Mike
Cool.

00:34:27.20
Bill
i just don't remember how long, but you know, I, um, all said and done, you know, talked to Mike and he's cool with it, obviously.

00:34:27.58
Mike
Yeah.

00:34:33.16
Bill
And, um, we're, we're trying to figure out, um, a date and stuff like that. She, we were looking at a couple of weeks from now, I think if i remember correctly. Um, but we just got to get confirmed with her.

00:34:41.92
Mike
Yeah, sounds about right.

00:34:44.83
Bill
She's got a couple of things going on to see if the, it lines up, but, um, she's like, yeah, I also got to get a headset. Cause I told her like, you need a headset. Um, cause again, I, I listened to, I was listening to a podcast, uh, the other day, probably driving, think when I was driving out to the hiking place.

00:35:00.19
Mike
Right.

00:35:00.37
Bill
And, you know, ah really this this chick had a really, really good story, but um you could tell she had probably had earbuds on, you know, so it was a slight echo in the background.

00:35:00.54
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:35:09.06
Mike
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

00:35:11.62
Bill
Not not really even an echo. It sounded like she was in like an open room. So that type of sound, you know, hollow.

00:35:15.03
Mike
Yeah, hollow.

00:35:16.92
Bill
God, why couldn't I think of the word?

00:35:18.00
Mike
i don't know.

00:35:19.07
Bill
But so here's the other funny part. I was, I took a shower and I'm listening to this while taking a shower, i get out and I'm, you know, get myself ready. And I hear this like whirring sound almost sounds like a, like a fan, like a ceiling fan.

00:35:32.17
Bill
And I mean, nothing's running in here.

00:35:32.15
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:35:33.53
Bill
And I'm like, what the fuck is that? So I'm trying to figure out what it is. I'm i'm like, is that the refrigerator? Is that this? I can't figure out what the fuck it is. So I'm like, I gotta, ah I gotta to pause it so I can figure out what it was. So I paused the podcast.

00:35:46.18
Bill
That's what it was. i could I could hear her ceiling fan.

00:35:50.01
Mike
Oh, nice.

00:35:52.08
Bill
So she must have been, again, but you've got it when you're using a headset microphone, usually it's even a cheap one. It's a little bit noise deadening.

00:35:57.48
Mike
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

00:35:59.99
Bill
You know, so, yeah, if anyone hasn't heard us talk about this before, yeah, we won't have somebody on. We've tried not to.

00:36:07.04
Mike
Yeah.

00:36:07.11
Bill
think we've had a couple, but um we try to make it a rule that, yeah, get ah get a fucking headset.

00:36:08.41
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:36:11.11
Bill
You'll spend 15 bucks.

00:36:11.36
Mike
Right.

00:36:12.79
Bill
it's It's audio stuff. So, um yeah, we can't, I don't know. we're We don't care a lot, but, you know, we want it to sound decent.

00:36:20.14
Mike
Right, exactly. i mean, yeah, personally, I can't listen to a conversation. I don't care how interesting it is if the sound quality is awful.

00:36:28.88
Bill
Right.

00:36:29.36
Mike
You know.

00:36:30.47
Bill
Yeah. We've had it.

00:36:31.12
Mike
Our first couple of episodes excluded, of course.

00:36:31.19
Bill
We've had it.

00:36:36.00
Bill
Yeah. and it's When did we, we got Riverside in the early twenties, I think 20, 21, two or three, somewhere in that area. So it was relatively quick that we got it, but you know, whatever it was the first, yeah.

00:36:46.27
Mike
Yeah, yeah.

00:36:48.41
Bill
First 10 to 20 episodes. um You know, even if you listen to, you know, if you're listening to this podcast, if you do listen to our opening, all of those clips um are from prior to Riverside, except for one, maybe two, I think.

00:37:02.24
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:37:03.42
Bill
The one where you're talking about is shooting our wad into the wind, that's, that's a river.

00:37:06.65
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:37:07.68
Bill
That's still Riverside. So that was an anniversary episode we did at like six months or something.

00:37:11.17
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

00:37:11.98
Bill
Um, but I don't know if the rest of those are, I mean, you could hear, if you really listen closely, you could hear us talking over each other, but it doesn't matter.

00:37:18.03
Mike
Cool. Yep.

00:37:19.17
Bill
But yeah, so anyhow, hopefully we're going to have not only a guest, but have ah have our friend Sheila on in a couple of weeks, which I think will be fun.

00:37:25.11
Mike
cool ye

00:37:26.38
Bill
um But so here's here's the thing with the with the split with our but our Instagram and our in our podcast thing. So um it's it's baffled me from the start because I don't understand um

00:37:37.62
Mike
Right.

00:37:38.47
Bill
Once again, Instagram, we've got the, the, our highest percentage of followers or or age bracket demographic bracket um is female at about 60% on Instagram and the 35 to 44 year range.

00:37:55.24
Bill
That's like 30%. And then you add like 25 to 44. That's like, I mean, that's over, that's over half, probably 50 55%.

00:38:04.16
Mike
ah

00:38:04.37
Bill
So we've we've got a younger crowd at Instagram. Okay.

00:38:06.92
Mike
Right.

00:38:07.76
Bill
And women, which again, you see the shit that I post, you know?

00:38:12.17
Mike
Yeah.

00:38:12.74
Bill
So, but on the podcast side of things, um, literally 60%, you know, men to women, um, and the age group, our highest age group for overall is still that 45 to, 45 to 49, 48.

00:38:25.02
Bill
or yeah forty five to forty nine and forty Yeah. 45 to 59. I'm sorry, 45 to 59. I think whatever it is. So it's, you know, our age.

00:38:34.16
Mike
right

00:38:34.80
Bill
yeah It's like old dudes like us are, you know, listening to our podcast and it it doesn't, it's never really made any sense to me. So I mentioned Gemini to you, the, I think last episode, right?

00:38:44.86
Bill
The Google AI thing we're talking about.

00:38:46.79
Mike
Yeah, right.

00:38:48.09
Bill
So they have Gemini live and I'm like, I'm just going to kind of fuck with things. I hopped on to Instagram, was looking at something and I always see our podcast stuff and I'm like, well, let's test out this Gemini thing and see how fucking smart they are.

00:38:59.31
Bill
Because the key with this, it's like, you know, I, I asked, I've said, how do you, and I did Gemini live.

00:38:59.33
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:39:04.50
Bill
So it's going to have a conversation back and forth with me, which is really fucking weird, but kind of fucking cool.

00:39:10.21
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:39:11.17
Bill
Um, so I'm like, okay, so we have, it we have a podcast, we have this, it's a sobriety podcast and Instagram page. And, uh, you know, i said, we're looking at either growing or even, you know, trying to monetize, like if we try to sell stuff or whatever, like, okay, what are you trying to look at? What, what is your age group? I'm like, oh, okay. I said, so with the podcast, it's this and gave those statistics. And I said, with the Instagram page, it's this now, remember I'm speaking to,

00:39:35.23
Bill
AI.

00:39:35.29
Mike
Nothing, right.

00:39:35.66
Bill
Okay. Right. But it's, it's calculate. It's able to calculate millions and millions of pages of things to, to be able to give me a, a decent and hopefully intelligent response.

00:39:39.23
Mike
Yeah.

00:39:45.73
Bill
Right.

00:39:46.35
Mike
Okay.

00:39:47.26
Bill
So I give it these splits. It's, this is our split over here on the podcast. This is our split over here, which is weird enough as it is. And I swear to God, this, it's a female voice. The Gemini voice goes, Interesting.

00:39:58.55
Bill
Interesting.

00:40:02.74
Bill
I swear to fucking God. Huh. Interesting.

00:40:04.94
Mike
Hey,

00:40:05.77
Bill
Cause it didn't, it didn't line up, you know, that's exactly what I thought about.

00:40:08.38
Mike
does not compute.

00:40:11.97
Bill
Wasn't that lost in space all the time?

00:40:13.26
Mike
I believe so.

00:40:13.49
Bill
Does not compute.

00:40:15.00
Mike
Yep.

00:40:15.60
Bill
Um, but yeah, I, I, I wrote that down cause I, I think I, I think I confused Gemini, which is,

00:40:20.92
Mike
Cool.

00:40:21.08
Bill
It was fucking, fucking funny. But, uh, you know, what it said was, it's like, okay, that next question for you though, you know, um interesting, but like, what kind of post to this versus what kind of content? And i'm like, you know, at some point I'll look into it, but it just, I was laughing so hard that I actually, that I stumped, you know, a fucking AI bot.

00:40:36.80
Mike
if he

00:40:38.41
Bill
Interesting. So, all right. Um, I still have, I've got more little stories and stuff like that too, but, uh, I don't know. What do you, what do you think? I think we're at a, we had a good point just to might as well.

00:40:47.96
Mike
ah Seems like a good point to me. So we'll be right back with more stumping computers right after these words from our sponsors.

00:41:05.86
Bill
All right, everyone. Welcome back. But you know what? Honestly, I think I felt kind of smart doing that.

00:41:12.19
Mike
Yeah. right

00:41:13.70
Bill
and this It's not smart. It just it seriously does' it doesn't make any sense. I don't understand why um we're the same people you know on here as we are on there.

00:41:21.51
Mike
Yeah.

00:41:21.70
Bill
ah We talk about the same shit on there as we do here. just ah ah Somehow i'm I am. We are missing. We're missing whatever. There's some link that we're missing in between tonight. That's what I want to want to figure out.

00:41:30.86
Mike
ah who We're the missing link.

00:41:32.42
Bill
But not that that and maybe it is us.

00:41:33.68
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:41:36.64
Bill
Maybe they can hear us and the chicks are like, oh God, these guys, fuck I can't stand their voice. I want to knife them, you know, but hey, they post some funny shit over here.

00:41:40.27
Mike
ah hu

00:41:44.11
Bill
I can i could deal with this.

00:41:45.26
Mike
Right.

00:41:46.35
Bill
So um speaking of Easter, because we were talking a little bit about that coming up. This is just, I was listening to the morning show the other day. And once again, this morning show in Milwaukee, I've listened to the podcast.

00:41:58.55
Bill
Morning show team, Bob and Brian have been on for 36, 37, 38 years, long fucking time in their news person.

00:42:03.53
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:42:06.13
Bill
Her name is Carrie. She's been with them. If not 25, she's been with them for 20 years. I mean, long fucking time.

00:42:13.32
Mike
Right.

00:42:13.85
Bill
And she's a lot of fun. I appreciate her. She's actually, um, I think she's literally like my age, you know, I mean, within months, cause when she's talked about certain things, whatever she throws out her age, it seems to be this, the same age as I am at the time.

00:42:28.15
Bill
So, you know, mindset, whatever that, in that age range.

00:42:28.17
Mike
Right.

00:42:31.42
Bill
So they're, think I mentioned before, they're they're Republican. You know, they they're less less, I guess, pushy as they than they were years ago as they as they've aged.

00:42:40.53
Mike
Right.

00:42:40.67
Bill
But clear Republicans and stuff like that. Nothing bad, not extremists. um All of them on the show were religious, including their producer. Again, nothing bad, nothing forceful.

00:42:48.72
Mike
Right.

00:42:49.71
Bill
But they do. They talk about going to church and whatever. And, you know, they make fun of people are like, oh, you know, God this and God that.

00:42:51.66
Mike
Sure.

00:42:55.08
Bill
though But again, not really bad. But Carrie came in the other day and she was talking about, however it came up, she was talking about dating apps. And she's like, she's like, so she goes, I'm seeing on dating apps lately that um she goes, there's a lot of people, you know, that when they talk about their religion, she's like, I'm seeing a lot of people that are, you know, have atheist or agnostic on their dating profile.

00:43:15.63
Mike
Mm-hmm. Hmm.

00:43:17.33
Bill
And she's like, I'm just starting to notice that. I mean, I i see it all the time. You know, i see either somebody says Christian or somebody's like, I know, spiritual or whatever it is. But people will, some people put atheist or agnostic, blah, blah,

00:43:28.69
Mike
Okay.

00:43:29.58
Bill
So she's like, she's, and then they were talking about Easter prior to that. And she's like, with the Easter holiday coming up, she's like, she goes, how do, she goes like, I don't understand how these, how these individuals even enjoy these holidays.

00:43:41.96
Bill
And I just got, I looked at my, and looked at my, cause it's my, my speaker that's good. I looked at my speaker. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? You know, and the reason I brought up how long I've been listening to them is that, um, I, I'd never heard her say something so stupid in 25 years because, and she was serious.

00:43:57.21
Mike
Right. Yeah, right.

00:44:00.03
Bill
She's like, how did, how did these people enjoy whatever? So, okay. First of all, Mike, um, are you are a what, how do you describe yourself?

00:44:04.27
Mike
Yes.

00:44:07.55
Mike
I'm an atheist.

00:44:08.66
Bill
Okay. and And I believe I've said it at best. I'm agnostic. Okay.

00:44:12.33
Mike
Right.

00:44:12.38
Bill
So we represent that group, right?

00:44:15.02
Mike
Yes. Mm-hmm.

00:44:16.36
Bill
So on um Easter, ah Christmas, um what other religious things are there?

00:44:19.16
Mike
Yes. Mm-hmm.

00:44:22.38
Bill
Thanksgiving's not religious.

00:44:23.63
Mike
Yeah, I mean, could be, but yeah, right.

00:44:24.20
Bill
um Chris.

00:44:27.48
Bill
Okay. So if nothing else, let like since it's, you know, coming up soon, Easter, right?

00:44:31.67
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right?

00:44:33.53
Bill
How, how could you enjoy Easter if you're not religious? Okay.

00:44:36.53
Mike
Well, let's see. The entire holiday was stolen from the pagans. It's fertility rites. Where do you think the eggs come from and the bunny comes from? And... Yeah. Um...

00:44:51.81
Bill
yeah

00:44:54.08
Mike
I don't know. i can enjoy it because it's ah usually there's a meal involved. That's always good. I like to eat.

00:45:01.37
Bill
yeah

00:45:01.59
Mike
um I get to spend time with people that I care about. Hmm. Imagine that. Um, ah I don't know, just hanging out, being joyful with other people.

00:45:16.00
Mike
that's that's a I can't understand how religious people, you know, I mean, okay, Easter, let's see.

00:45:16.06
Bill
Right.

00:45:22.81
Mike
Your Lord and Savior was tortured and then nailed to a tree where he died. then they threw him in a cave.

00:45:34.70
Mike
you know, yay, let's celebrate. here's Here's some jelly beans.

00:45:41.26
Bill
Go find your fucking eggs and and pass by beer.

00:45:43.38
Mike
Yeah, right. How the hell can you enjoy that?

00:45:49.59
Bill
I know, it was just so stupid because I'm like, like pe it's a it's a holiday, yes, but it's, a i and we talked about that for for years. I know I've talked about it individually. I'm sure we've talked about it on here.

00:46:00.83
Bill
um Holidays to me, I don't really care so much about um Christmas or the Easter or the whatever.

00:46:08.14
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:46:08.48
Bill
I don't care about what holiday is. I care about the people that I'm able to get together with.

00:46:10.15
Mike
Right.

00:46:12.40
Mike
Right.

00:46:12.81
Bill
um And granted, you throw a young child in the mix. That makes it fun because, you know, then, yeah, they're, they get to just watching them do all the, all the things that young kids do.

00:46:15.70
Mike
Right. Sure.

00:46:21.57
Mike
Right. Well, they don't have to be young kids.

00:46:23.22
Bill
Yeah.

00:46:24.44
Mike
They're believing in, you know, magical nonsense. he

00:46:28.70
Bill
and Oh, there you go, too. There you go, too. And then, you know, I mean, everyone finds their religion. We used to we saw the parking lot, you know, during during Lent, the place where um the meeting that we were just talking about, who do you know, um was in a church basement.

00:46:40.71
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

00:46:41.91
Bill
It was in the building next to the physical church below the rectory, right?

00:46:46.93
Mike
Yeah.

00:46:47.55
Bill
Okay.

00:46:48.09
Mike
You said rectory.

00:46:48.19
Bill
I'm like, yeah rectum.

00:46:52.30
Mike
Hardly knew him.

00:46:53.31
Bill
Yeah. Hello. But, um, so was that was on a Friday night and we used to go there and never had ah any problem, you know, parking or anything like that.

00:46:57.87
Mike
Yep.

00:47:00.81
Mike
Yeah. Oh, yeah.

00:47:02.28
Bill
But then it was, uh, you know, obviously as soon as Lentap, because they did the fish fry thing there.

00:47:05.60
Mike
Yeah. Yes, they did.

00:47:06.40
Bill
Right.

00:47:06.99
Mike
Yes, and it was a very popular one.

00:47:07.35
Bill
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, really popular, which is fine. You don't want to get your fish and do whatever, I'm fine. But, you know, I mean, people, you know, finding their fucking religion and we get all fucking pissed off because we're like, we're trying to stay fucking sober here.

00:47:12.65
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:47:19.98
Bill
We can't even park.

00:47:20.49
Mike
Aha, right.

00:47:21.26
Bill
We're parking like fucking six blocks away to go to a goddamn meeting just because you want to eat your fucking fish.

00:47:24.67
Mike
Well, mm-hmm.

00:47:29.51
Bill
But dumb I don't know. It just, it literally, I, I've never heard her say something that stupid before.

00:47:35.07
Mike
Right.

00:47:35.67
Bill
um And I was just like, and she was serious. And for a minute there, I'm like, how can you be fucking serious?

00:47:38.21
Mike
don't

00:47:40.17
Bill
But yeah, I mean, holidays are what they are.

00:47:41.33
Mike
know.

00:47:43.22
Bill
They're about family. They're about, you know, getting together with people and um it doesn't really matter what, yeah.

00:47:44.22
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. Celebrating whatever it is you're celebrating. And it doesn't have to be that specific thing. It's just celebrating. You know again, we started off with being grateful.

00:47:55.93
Mike
Yes. You know, just a little extra on a certain day. I mean, you know, again, that's why technically I don't really celebrate any holidays specifically anymore because I try to be grateful every day.

00:48:08.65
Mike
You know, just a little extra gratitude.

00:48:08.73
Bill
Right.

00:48:11.47
Bill
Right.

00:48:11.69
Mike
Yeah, that's all.

00:48:12.36
Bill
But it's just, it's an opportunity though, because the, the holidays, thankfully, you know, they're, they're, they're an opportunity to bring a bunch of people together on a specific day, place and time or at a specific, on a day, specific place and time whatever, um you know, for, ah you know, that we might, we may not all, I'll get together all the time.

00:48:14.64
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:48:19.35
Mike
Right.

00:48:24.06
Mike
Yeah.

00:48:28.33
Bill
So whatever the, whatever the reason is, i mean, yeah, it could be the the third Tuesday in, you know, I mean, February for all we give a shit, you know?

00:48:28.79
Mike
Exactly.

00:48:33.78
Mike
Yeah. Sure.

00:48:36.58
Bill
um But yeah, it is, it's, it just kind of blew my mind. Yeah. You fucking agnostics and atheists. How do you enjoy a holiday?

00:48:44.63
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:48:45.92
Bill
Jesus Christ. though Are you serious? Serious?

00:48:48.16
Mike
hu

00:48:49.46
Bill
Okay. Sobriety question. Then I got a couple other erri sobriety thing and I got some other other stuff here. Okay. Um... I don't think I asked you this before, but since we, you know, talking about the one day at a time thing, when do you think you started truly living the mindset of one day at a time?

00:49:03.19
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:49:09.67
Bill
um And was it ever difficult? I don't think now so much, maybe I'm not going to put words in your mouth, but was it ever difficult to stay in the present, right?

00:49:14.73
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:49:19.67
Bill
Like in early sobriety. So when did, okay.

00:49:20.83
Mike
Oh, God, yeah.

00:49:22.05
Bill
When did you start doing the one day at a time? you think truly and then difficult?

00:49:25.39
Mike
Right. Um, well, i mean, yeah, difficult in the beginning. Cause you know, you're still, you're, you're not used to it. You know, again, it's, it's like everything else. You got to work that muscle. Um,

00:49:36.86
Mike
But yeah, you know, ah clearly you're could early on, you're very concerned about your past because you fuck shit up so bad. and You know, and you're worried about the future because you don't know what the hell you're going to do and, you know, how you still have control issues. So you're still trying to control the outcome of things. Yeah.

00:49:57.65
Mike
Yeah, you know, so yeah, early on, I'm sure the first shit, you know, six months easily, probably closer to a year. all But yeah, again, working that muscle, man.

00:50:08.07
Bill
Right.

00:50:10.47
Mike
So, you know, yeah, after about a year or so, I started getting pretty good at, you know, not worrying about the past, not worrying about the future and trying to enjoy than now, you know?

00:50:22.54
Bill
right

00:50:23.02
Mike
Yeah, and I clearly do that. Pretty much all the time now. I don't worry about the past and I sure as hell don't worry about the future because so far it seems to be taking care of itself.

00:50:37.98
Bill
Yeah, and you know, that's ah that's a good point. I mean, the it's been a long time um you know since I've sat back and had regrets about the past.

00:50:47.98
Mike
and

00:50:48.72
Bill
Probably like, i would i would think like anyone else, that there's these... probably flashes. It's just, again, like drinking ideas, you know, these flashes of things where something pops up and you're like, fuck man, the way I was like, I've said that I, you know, to get these, these thoughts of how I, how I treated somebody or what I did, but it's, it's so they're so fleeting, you know, um which is, which is a good thing.

00:50:55.38
Mike
Sure. Yeah, absolutely.

00:51:01.34
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:51:04.45
Mike
Right.

00:51:07.86
Mike
Yeah.

00:51:09.55
Bill
Cause I, I realized that, okay, I, I really shit on this person in the past, but that's, it's not what it is today, you know?

00:51:13.77
Mike
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

00:51:16.18
Bill
And, yeah,

00:51:16.27
Mike
I'm not shitting on them right now.

00:51:19.10
Bill
Exactly. it is And as long as I stay in the present and keep doing the things you know that that I need to do and that I know how to do ah you know with all these gifts that have been so freely given due to us, um then that future does you know take care of itself.

00:51:26.47
Mike
Right.

00:51:33.46
Mike
m

00:51:33.87
Bill
And you know i'm I'm probably worse at thinking about, not even probably, let me take that back. I almost lied. Would be my first lie of my year.

00:51:40.24
Mike
Right.

00:51:40.78
Bill
Yeah.

00:51:43.14
Bill
Um, I, between the two of us, I am worse at thinking about the future than you are.

00:51:50.13
Mike
Right.

00:51:50.18
Bill
Um, and, and it's, uh, it's, it's a struggle for me sometimes. And I try to get ahead of myself. Uh, I don't really try to, but I do get ahead of myself and, but it's always the same thing.

00:51:57.90
Mike
right

00:52:00.43
Bill
It's, uh, it, if it's a money thing, it's a, what do I want to do? And it's a, well, what is stopping me from doing this and whatever. But, you know, even with that, that I, I still know what I'm doing. If that's the only,

00:52:12.38
Bill
I don't want to say saving grace, baby.

00:52:14.39
Mike
Right.

00:52:16.00
Bill
The only good thing, if there is a good thing about it, is that I recognize it almost immediately.

00:52:21.07
Mike
Right.

00:52:21.40
Bill
um Or worst case scenario, I come on here and I tell on myself and you you talk me you talk me through it.

00:52:27.90
Mike
right

00:52:29.04
Bill
Because, I mean, it it doesn't happen. It's, I'm not, i don't know, I'm not like being completely detrimental to myself, but um I don't need to necessarily focus that much on that because I do know, ah got plenty of experience, whether it was, you know, even when, you know, we were newly, you know, sober, we had plenty of examples of just sitting back and, you know, just relax.

00:52:49.86
Bill
Like Marty used to say, take it easy.

00:52:50.36
Mike
Yeah. Slow down, babe. Absolutely.

00:52:54.08
Bill
Slow down, slow down. It'll be okay.

00:52:59.14
Mike
aha

00:53:00.54
Bill
Um, but yeah, I mean, it's a, yeah, but, but the truly living one day at a time, I guess those all go, you know, go hand in hand with, uh, you know, staying in the present.

00:53:06.17
Mike
Absolutely.

00:53:07.95
Bill
But, um, yeah, I mean, I, and I'm, uh, I don't think either one of us, and and same thing with the, you know, with the sobriety. Yeah. We look at, we look at our number of days. We'd only look at, well, I got the same amount sobriety as you do because we both got up and the word this and that, uh,

00:53:21.26
Mike
is

00:53:22.09
Bill
all that stuff that's fine however people want to do it i mean but you know time time matters and all those different things but um yes we can only do um with what is in this day and literally you're you're always the one that says it what's happening right now i don't know what's going to happen now now that moment's gone oops there's another moment god damn it where'd go yeah

00:53:23.88
Mike
Yeah. yeah

00:53:38.26
Mike
Yep. Exactly. Ah,

00:53:43.20
Mike
ah now it's the past. And hey, guess what?

00:53:45.38
Bill
fuck yeah oh shit

00:53:45.95
Mike
The future. Whoa, it's here. Now it's gone.

00:53:50.29
Bill
Confusing. Confusing.

00:53:51.89
Mike
Right. Okay. Hmm.

00:53:53.77
Bill
No, but that's ah no it's ah it's a good that's a good point, too. it's ah i But again, i I don't know. I look at it as a semi-positive, at least the fact that i that i know that you know I'm a little fucked up in that area still.

00:54:03.82
Mike
ah

00:54:03.92
Bill
But...

00:54:04.43
Mike
right system

00:54:06.36
Bill
All right. So, um, this one was from God grant me, I think relatively recently, probably the last week or so, two weeks, maybe.

00:54:12.14
Mike
ah

00:54:13.13
Bill
Um, it said today i will list three qualities that I appreciate in others. Um, I mean, I, I think the next part of it, uh, let, let's, let's start with that three qualities that you appreciate in others. If you're looking for something, three things in other people.

00:54:28.77
Mike
Right. Um, yeah, that peace and serenity thing's always good. Um, you know, the empathy, the, the ability to actually give a shit about somebody other than yourself. That's, that's always nice.

00:54:41.80
Bill
Right.

00:54:41.89
Mike
Um, I admire that. I'm still working on it.

00:54:43.80
Bill
right

00:54:45.40
Mike
Uh, um, yeah, you know, um, yeah, those are the two big ones for me, you know, the that, that, you're comfortable in your own skin, the peace, the serenity and, and yeah, and giving a shit about somebody else.

00:55:01.83
Mike
That's, those are the two big ones. Um, and God knows I'm a hell of a lot better than I used to be at both of them.

00:55:08.34
Bill
hey

00:55:08.47
Mike
Um, and hopefully I will be even better tomorrow. And, um, yeah, two that I, that I work on.

00:55:16.07
Bill
Yeah, and I mean, the the follow-up with to that was, do i do I want to find these things in myself? And I i mean, that's, yeah, I think the answer, of course, is yes.

00:55:21.09
Mike
Yes, clearly.

00:55:23.18
Bill
But, you know, in the...

00:55:23.50
Mike
Yeah, because I'm selfish and self-centered. God damn right, want to find it myself.

00:55:28.76
Bill
yeah The thing that popped ah popped off of the top of my head when I thought about that is is trustworthy. I want people, I want to be able to trust people.

00:55:34.13
Mike
Hmm.

00:55:35.67
Bill
i will So I want them to be genuine, I guess, you know.

00:55:36.96
Mike
Ah.

00:55:38.83
Bill
um I don't want to be, i don't want to have questions about somebody that I'm spending time with.

00:55:44.75
Mike
Sure.

00:55:45.17
Bill
You know, I want to be, again, comfortable, you know, with somebody ah trustworthy and genuine and pure, I think is maybe, you know, that goes all back to the, you know, to the absolutes.

00:55:48.03
Mike
Yeah.

00:55:52.09
Mike
Yeah.

00:55:55.40
Bill
I want somebody, well, I guess that's all of them, almost.

00:55:55.74
Mike
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

00:55:58.23
Bill
The absolutes, there's four of them.

00:55:58.70
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:56:00.50
Bill
Um, but I mean, I do, I look for somebody to be, um, you know, ah open-minded, you know, I guess would be the other thing, which I, which I try to be.

00:56:00.60
Mike
Sure. Mm-hmm. Huh? Huh?

00:56:06.85
Mike
sure reasons

00:56:08.49
Bill
Um, and and I just want, I want communication. I want, you know, honest and open communication with anyone, you know, and those are just, again, off, off the top of my head.

00:56:14.83
Mike
ah ahh

00:56:18.56
Bill
But, um, but yeah, it's, you know, the, the thing of it is, and that's why I didn't read that second part right away. Cause I'm like, well, of course we want to see those in ourselves. Yeah.

00:56:26.34
Mike
Right.

00:56:27.69
Bill
Um, and, and I guess that goes back to the other thing too, that when we, when we see something, um, that we don't like in somebody else, you better take a peek at yourself too, because there's probably that thing's probably in us anyhow, you know, um, which I despise that thought, but it's, it's usually true.

00:56:27.66
Mike
Yeah.

00:56:39.44
Mike
Right. Right. Right. And yeah yes, you know, I, I find that, you know, the the deeper we get into this thing, um,

00:56:54.26
Mike
Well, there's less of that in me to see. Generally, you know, I mean, just sounds maybe a little egotistical or whatever, but all yeah, I mean, I'm kind of getting to the point where if I see something that I really don't like in somebody else, I'm ah but it's the scale is tipped.

00:57:15.61
Mike
It's not so much that it's something, it may be something that I used to do oh that I don't anymore.

00:57:20.49
Bill
Right.

00:57:22.77
Mike
um So yeah, that bugs the shit out of me. And, um but also, yeah, I see something in someone that I don't like. It's because it's a bad thing.

00:57:34.04
Mike
It's, that it's not something likable. It's like, oh, you're that kind of person.

00:57:36.34
Bill
Right. Ew. Ew.

00:57:38.93
Mike
Yeah, right. it Yeah, right. And maybe, yeah like I said, maybe I used to be that way, but I'm not anymore. And it maybe even makes it a little worse when I see it somebody else now. It's like, fuck, you don't have to be that way, man.

00:57:52.39
Mike
Because I'm not that way anymore, you dumbass.

00:57:56.40
Bill
You know what? I mean, that's, that's actually a good point because, um, yeah, it's, it's kind of like, you know, you can't bullshit a bullshitter, you know, you can, it's easy to pick out the, the, the faults and people, people that, especially people that are, that are us, you know, that are in this thing that we're doing, um, especially people that are in active addiction or newly sober or whatever the case is, nothing wrong.

00:58:02.41
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:58:05.72
Mike
Yeah.

00:58:09.28
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

00:58:14.45
Mike
Right. Or even not. We are just fucking assholes like I used to be.

00:58:16.83
Bill
Yeah. Right.

00:58:19.36
Mike
Right.

00:58:21.20
Bill
Yeah, that's a, that's a good point. Yeah. It could just be a, you know, some fucking normie that's got, uh, got the certain way about them. And, uh, yeah, I, uh, yeah, that, that's a, that's a, I have, I don't know that I've ever thought about it that way that, you know, recognizing that not necessarily seeing that as something that's in me, but something that was in me makes me feel a little bit better.

00:58:38.50
Mike
Right?

00:58:40.25
Bill
Yeah.

00:58:40.84
Mike
Yeah. Right. and It certainly makes me walk the other way.

00:58:46.93
Bill
Right. Yeah. I don't want to, don't want to be hanging around those type of people. I was ah talking to a the friend of mine that I connected with and I hadn't talked to her for a while, but she and I connected, I know probably a month or so ago.

00:58:51.68
Mike
Mm-mm. Mm-mm.

00:58:59.59
Bill
um And she went through this whole thing with the company she was working with there, her job got eliminated and she was with him for a long time and ah in a specific profession. And she had a, like a, almost a, um,

00:59:12.48
Bill
I will said buyouts, not buyout, i by like a severance package that, you know, basically she got, you know, full pay for like six months.

00:59:15.31
Mike
Right?

00:59:18.56
Bill
She took time to spend time with her kids and all those sort of things, blah, blah, blah, adult kids.

00:59:18.78
Mike
right Yeah?

00:59:22.92
Bill
um And then get back into the workforce, got a job with another another company. And, you know, her manager that she was working for, um basically this this individual is known for this type of behavior, Right.

00:59:35.25
Bill
So when, when somebody comes in and, you know obviously it's a, she's basically in a, in a support role, but a, ah higher level um profession, higher level support role.

00:59:35.25
Mike
Aha.

00:59:44.93
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:59:46.17
Bill
Okay.

00:59:46.91
Mike
Okay.

00:59:47.35
Bill
So she's reporting to this other individual. But everything, this individual, even though there, there's a learning curve for people, this other individual has no patience, this manager, no patience for that learning curve.

00:59:56.08
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:59:58.61
Bill
It doesn't, doesn't teach, doesn't coach, doesn't like mentor, if you want to put it that way.

01:00:01.32
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right?

01:00:03.43
Bill
just kind of berates people, you know, and

01:00:05.24
Mike
Right. Yeah. Expects you to know what you don't fucking know and is not willing to teach you what you should know.

01:00:11.26
Bill
right. And I'll give you the, it'd be the example of, so I was, I've been around the collection industry for, know, 35 fucking years, you know, um, worked in actively probably 30, take out a handful of years.

01:00:11.81
Mike
Yeah.

01:00:18.39
Mike
Right.

01:00:22.75
Bill
I've done other things.

01:00:23.86
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:00:24.00
Bill
Um, but I've never done the type of work that I'm doing now. Okay. Um,

01:00:28.25
Mike
Right.

01:00:28.91
Bill
And it's, it's not, it's still there. There's certain things that are the same, but it's very different. I'm not working for a collection agency.

01:00:34.37
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:00:35.61
Bill
I'm working for a law firm, which gives me a little bit more leeway, but also I've got to be very careful of my words because we can say certain things, but if one word is wrong, we can actually get a huge amount of trouble and get our, um our supervising attorney is we got one attorney that works.

01:00:38.63
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:00:41.37
Mike
Sure. Uh-huh.

01:00:50.91
Bill
You know, he's the supervising and attorney. We're all account representatives basically in the in the company. um So one thing could affect his law license, right?

01:00:59.71
Mike
Right.

01:00:59.86
Bill
yeah um But I mean, I'm collecting for businesses now versus individuals. It's not this and it's that. So i had to learn this whole new thing, plus a different type of system and blah, blah, blah.

01:01:08.32
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:01:10.23
Bill
So it'd be the same type of thing. And they're going, well, you got all this experience. Why can't you just come in here do this? You know, well, because I've never done this before.

01:01:14.56
Mike
Right. Yeah, right.

01:01:17.16
Bill
You know, I've been driving a ah fucking, you know, you go all my life and you just put me in a goddamn Ferrari and I don't even know how to, i don't even know where the, where the start button is, you know, but, um, it just, as, as she was telling me about this person, I'm like, man, I had a manager like that.

01:01:23.72
Mike
Yeah. Right. Yeah.

01:01:33.56
Bill
Uh, but the manager that I had, was at the company I worked at Madison and It was her first job as a manager. She'd been a supervisor before, but um she was in over her head, i think, um but also thought she was a lot better than she was and was threatened by everyone else, like me and the other the other trainers.

01:01:43.74
Mike
Right.

01:01:46.86
Mike
Hmm. Aha. ahha

01:01:51.16
Bill
You know, I mean, me and the other trainer, and I just, I was really good at what I did when I was a trainer.

01:01:55.78
Mike
Right.

01:01:55.92
Bill
um It's not egotistical. I just really was. And i had I had the numbers to fucking back it up and all those sort of things.

01:01:58.00
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:02:01.66
Bill
Um, and you know, she would nitpick at this stuff and it just, I'm like, you know what certain people, I saw, I'm trying to tell, I'm trying to tell this friend of mine. I'm like, like, I get it, man. You know, I said, it's, can you talk to somebody?

01:02:12.58
Bill
Can you talk to somebody else? You've only been there a month. I'm like, it'd be, it'd be a shame for somebody to push you out of a job.

01:02:15.36
Mike
Yeah.

01:02:18.15
Bill
but um you know, to get you to the point where you're like, I can't fucking deal with you.

01:02:23.04
Mike
Right.

01:02:23.20
Bill
You know, I got to fucking go. Um, you know, so it just, I feel for cause I've been there before and, um, you know, it just, it's people like that are fucking idiots because they, they're just, they're clearly upset about their life.

01:02:37.15
Mike
Right?

01:02:37.28
Bill
You know, mean, what I, what I joked with, I'm like, so she's probably not getting fucked or not getting fucked.

01:02:41.20
Mike
easy

01:02:41.44
Bill
Right. That's what I told her.

01:02:42.38
Mike
Yes.

01:02:45.10
Bill
And she's like, yeah, that's probably true, but she's still an asshole. I'm like, yeah, either way, I get it.

01:02:49.18
Mike
Right.

01:02:50.15
Bill
But yeah, I mean, I guess that that's a good point though, coming back to that was a long story about, yeah, I think you're right.

01:02:56.06
Mike
Ah.

01:02:56.89
Bill
You know, other other people, I see, we see these other things in other people and we don't want to be that way, right?

01:03:01.46
Mike
Yeah, exactly. No bad examples.

01:03:03.86
Bill
Right. So I came across this. It was a post on either Instagram or Facebook. It was a podcast episode. I did not listen to the podcast, and I don't think we've talked about this before.

01:03:14.95
Bill
I don't think.

01:03:15.38
Mike
Mm. Mm.

01:03:16.43
Bill
um But the title of the podcast episode was ah Burnout in Sobriety.

01:03:22.41
Mike
ahha

01:03:22.50
Bill
and And I think what they were talking about when I read just a brief description was just getting burned out, but being sober and doing the thing. You've been sober for a little while, but getting burned out maybe on your program or on your routine or whatever the case may be.

01:03:35.46
Bill
So I guess my my question to that was, are the reason I wrote it down, um have you ever felt that way at any point, just where you were feeling ah a sort of a burnout? You just got to change things up or or anything like that?

01:03:47.63
Mike
I mean, you know, probably, you know, when when I was doing, you know, six, seven meetings a week, yeah, it was getting to be a bit much. um

01:03:56.63
Bill
right

01:03:57.35
Mike
Yeah, you know, for me. And so I i scaled it back. um You know, but went down to four and went down to three, went down to two, and now it's one, you know, and it's fine. Yeah.

01:04:09.05
Mike
yeah But as far as the the routine and it the the core of the things that I have to do to stay sober every day, now I don't get burned out on it. I mean, yeah, it never gets to be

01:04:19.30
Bill
right

01:04:23.50
Mike
No, I never get, ah, shit, I gotta, you know, fuck, I just woke up, oh, I gotta to read this book, I gotta get my head straight for the day. Now, it's, i I can't imagine not doing it, and it's, you know, the couple times early on where maybe I'd miss it or just, you know I'll get to it later or whatever, i felt like shit, and, you know, being a good alcoholic and drug addict, I didn't want to feel like shit, so I got back on it real fast.

01:04:48.89
Bill
right

01:04:48.98
Mike
Um, hehehehe. Yeah, ah no, no. i mean, ah again, i could see, i don't know. but yeah. you know, fuck, I got to go to a meeting again tonight. It's, you know, if it gets that point, I'm i'm not going to go to that meeting. I'm going to go to the meeting that, you know, I mean, yeah, there are, you know, again, we've talked about it. I go to one meeting and I go there to be of service. And, you know, occasionally I'm like, eh, really, I'm not feeling it.

01:05:17.30
Mike
um But I also know through experience, imagine that, that,

01:05:21.94
Bill
Right. ah

01:05:23.76
Mike
That once I get there and I do the thing and I'm a part of something bigger than myself, I feel better. And again, I'm an alcoholic. I want to feel better. So, all yeah, no, no, I don't get burned out on this thing.

01:05:38.81
Mike
um I don't always, you know, leap out of my chair excited to do something.

01:05:38.91
Bill
right

01:05:44.94
Mike
But um I also know that if I get up out of my chair and go fucking do it, I'm going to feel better, you know, and i'm I'm going to be stronger and have more serenity.

01:05:55.81
Mike
And oh yeah, selfish that way.

01:05:59.80
Bill
Right. Yeah. That's, uh, I was trying to think about when, um, and I didn't think about it when I wrote it down, but, um, there was a, I can't remember if the Tuesday meeting that I used to go to, it might've been, um, the Saharad club.

01:06:12.82
Mike
Right.

01:06:13.40
Bill
So I think I went there after, uh, after work on Tuesday nights and i think I was doing something, maybe there was a, it was a big book meeting when we were Was that the Tuesday night was a big book meeting at the Keating Center with Dan?

01:06:25.70
Mike
Yeah.

01:06:26.52
Bill
Okay.

01:06:26.77
Mike
Yeah.

01:06:27.43
Bill
So think I think I was doing that for a while. and then when I started working, I'd drive by this hair club. But I remembered specifically when I didn't always, um you know, like not go to a meeting on a Tuesday. But when like when I got a haircut, for instance, I'd do it on a Tuesday.

01:06:41.60
Bill
I just felt like blowing off a meeting for the week. I do it on a Tuesday. It was nice sometimes to actually get home, um you know, and it's like it's like six o'clock.

01:06:47.13
Mike
Right.

01:06:49.56
Bill
And I mean, I can I can make make some dinner and eat. And, you know, it's like quarter after seven. And I'm like, I I can watch TV. I could fucking relax for a minute, you know, because when we went to even the earlier meetings, which who do you know was the earliest one at seven.

01:06:57.08
Mike
Yeah. Uh-huh.

01:07:03.49
Bill
Right. Wasn't there a Stella Maris was a six thirty meeting.

01:07:04.15
Mike
Right.

01:07:07.10
Mike
Yeah, I think so.

01:07:07.92
Bill
on Saturday. So, mean, that was the earliest, earliest one, but you figure what was a West park, eight 15, I think, you know, I mean, so there was sometimes, and we weren't, you know, we were getting back to the, especially when we were at the Keating center, but whatever it was, I mean, it's, it's eight o'clock, it's eight 30, it's nine o'clock.

01:07:15.49
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:07:21.09
Mike
Right.

01:07:25.42
Bill
And, you know, you got a time to, If you haven't eaten already, you know wolf down some food, watch some TV and you're like, fuck, I got to to bed, you know?

01:07:31.86
Mike
Yeah.

01:07:32.36
Bill
Um, but I, I don't think I did it cause I was burned out. It just kind of like a night to, you know, but relax for a minute.

01:07:38.43
Mike
Yeah.

01:07:38.70
Bill
But to your point with the readings, it, it doesn't matter. I mean, where, where I've been, what I'm doing, whatever. I, I really, I look forward to those readings every single morning.

01:07:45.80
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:07:48.38
Bill
And I, cause there's just these little, it's, it's quiet time.

01:07:48.74
Mike
Yeah.

01:07:51.82
Mike
Yep.

01:07:51.92
Bill
That's number one. Um, but it is, it's, I, I know I'm, I don't think about the fact that it's, that it's feeding me really good information. And I do, but I don't sit down thinking, okay, time to take my medicine.

01:07:59.69
Mike
Sure.

01:08:02.92
Mike
a Yeah.

01:08:05.80
Bill
Um, it just, I, but there's also, there's a purpose behind it. I'm looking for something that to post on Instagram. So I like doing that.

01:08:11.13
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:08:11.28
Bill
I like spreading the word, you know, and providing that to other people.

01:08:12.71
Mike
Right.

01:08:15.10
Bill
And even that the posts I do on Instagram in the morning, I post our podcast episode, a reading and usually either something about my book or something about our podcast, some other thing. I don't, I never think twice about doing that.

01:08:26.47
Bill
Like, oh fuck, I still got to go on Instagram, you know?

01:08:28.54
Mike
all right.

01:08:29.28
Bill
Um, cause again, that's part of this whole, that's part of my program, sobriety stuff, you know, at least that morning stuff.

01:08:33.84
Mike
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, right.

01:08:36.31
Bill
Um, I don't, I'm not on Instagram as much, um, throughout the day anymore. Certainly not as I was, you know, a year or so ago, a year and a half ago.

01:08:44.14
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:08:44.71
Bill
Um, you know, sometimes like, ah, fuck it. You know, I don't need to post another, don't know, fucking dildo picture again.

01:08:51.37
Mike
Right.

01:08:51.54
Bill
I'm good. They'll be okay. They'll be okay without without a dildo picture from me for the next couple hours.

01:08:54.34
Mike
Yes. Mm-hmm.

01:08:58.10
Bill
But um yeah, that's a good point. you know just say I don't know. i I don't think, once again, I didn't listen to the episode, but I don't think I've ever had really any any sort of burnout at all.

01:09:08.48
Mike
No, no. Mm-mm. Kind of nice.

01:09:12.26
Bill
All right. Yeah, it is. I mean, the more the more I thought about it it, it is kind of nice. um How many fucks did we have last episode? I wrote that down.

01:09:21.17
Mike
don't know.

01:09:21.53
Bill
just

01:09:21.49
Mike
Let's go 92. Oh, Jesus.

01:09:22.22
Bill
Just as a side note.

01:09:23.37
Mike
um latter i don't know let's ah let's go ninety two

01:09:35.63
Mike
o jesus

01:09:38.04
Bill
But that wasn't what I couldn't, when I wrote that down, I'm like, God, that's a lot. But I'm like, was that the, that's not the record. I think we more than that few episodes ago, but I can't, I can never remember what we talk about with the numbers. So it was a lot.

01:09:48.21
Mike
Right. Yeah, okay.

01:09:49.95
Bill
It was. Yeah, exactly.

01:09:50.58
Mike
Well, fucking A.

01:09:50.79
Bill
Oh, okay.

01:09:52.40
Mike
All

01:09:52.92
Bill
Fucking a fuck, fuck. All right. So um this was just an eyeball question. So I went, you know what? Let me, I'm going to give you a quick update on my leg real quick. Cause this kind of goes in, this kind of goes into what I was going to talk about here.

01:10:01.26
Mike
right.

01:10:03.77
Bill
Anyhow. um So a short story is, um but excuse me.

01:10:08.38
Mike
Hmm. Leg, throat.

01:10:11.33
Bill
No, I'm just, i' it's been, uh, the pollen level has been really high around here.

01:10:14.61
Mike
Aha, right.

01:10:15.22
Bill
so I'm like super stuffed up right now. But, um, but I did, I went up, you know, I didn't let this get in the way of my hiking. I went down to the, um, Tallulah falls. It was beautiful. I didn't go down into the gorge.

01:10:26.34
Bill
I don't think I could have anyhow. Um, I don't know if there's a full water release, but if you saw the pictures that I post, you could see the dam where the water was coming down.

01:10:34.29
Mike
Damn.

01:10:34.49
Bill
If you, if you happen let the damn dam, um, But it was, it was really nice. Now, only thing I'll say is that, so I was at the New River Gorge in West Virginia, and this is Tallulah Falls or Tallulah Falls Gorge.

01:10:46.40
Mike
Right.

01:10:46.56
Bill
umm Still very beautiful, but I was trying to think, I'm like, this is just not, it's not as impressive.

01:10:46.53
Mike
Hmm.

01:10:51.28
Bill
I liked it. Don't get me wrong. It was beautiful.

01:10:53.12
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:10:53.91
Bill
um But New River Gorge, bigger, more, more expansive type of thing. um I didn't get down to see waterfalls. I don't know if there are waterfalls around the New River Gorge. There might be someplace.

01:11:04.46
Bill
So that part of it was cool. Saw some of the kayakers and shit like that doing that. But the more I thought it, I'm like, it's the bluffs. The New River Gorge had like that um endless wall thing.

01:11:15.49
Mike
ah

01:11:15.62
Bill
It had all these fucking bluffs and like all different colors and shit to them. That's what was cool. That's what I see in like Lake of the Ozarks too, is the bluffs.

01:11:22.77
Mike
yeah

01:11:23.33
Bill
So I'm a bluff guy, apparently.

01:11:24.99
Mike
Apparently.

01:11:25.86
Bill
I didn't realize that. But then I went to the other trail on Sunday, the little waterfall thing. That was nice. it It was all, it was really nice. It was a lot of fun. um And I walked between the two days, and including grocery shopping, but um shit like seven miles, you know?

01:11:40.92
Mike
Wow.

01:11:41.71
Bill
And um Sunday I was fine. You know, later on at night, Monday all day, I was fine.

01:11:45.31
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:11:46.94
Bill
Then the host had messaged me. He's like, hey, he goes, how's the how's the garbage doing? Do you need me? Had the guy come by and pick it up because I don't know if everyone doesn't have scheduled garbage pickup around here because he's kind of in an off road where this where this place is.

01:11:55.58
Mike
ah Right, right. Uh-huh.

01:11:58.44
Bill
And I said, well, i was I was going to take the garbage out tonight. And I said, I took it out, whatever it was with last week. um I said, it wouldn't hurt. So I said, I'm going least one, if not two bags by the time I leave anyhow.

01:12:09.08
Bill
So I said, I'll take the garbage out tonight.

01:12:09.20
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:12:11.00
Bill
and he goes, I'll have to pick it up tomorrow, which would have been Tuesday. So the driveway here, once again, very steep. I took my time getting down the driveway, took my time getting back up.

01:12:16.21
Mike
Right.

01:12:19.46
Bill
I don't think I tweaked my leg doing that. Um, but I was going to walk up the stairs, um, in my foot. Cause I'm kind of like dragging my foot a little bit, you know, just cause it's, it hurts, you know, kind of like not completely picking on my feet type of thing.

01:12:34.54
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:12:35.58
Bill
And I, I stepped funny on the step and like twisted my ankle, the ankle that I hurt.

01:12:38.80
Mike
Mm.

01:12:41.22
Mike
Nice.

01:12:42.77
Bill
And as soon as I did, I'm like, oh, fuck. And I'm just standing there for a second. I'm like, oh, God damn it. God damn it. God damn it. So it's the, you know, I hurt it to the left of the shin, which is still, I mean, it's still all fucked up. You know, that part in my leg is still this, the cap and stuff is still tight from that swelling.

01:12:59.39
Bill
And then now my foot's swollen. I think the problem is now with, I've got injuries in two places.

01:13:03.89
Mike
Right?

01:13:04.88
Bill
there's no place for it to to disperse.

01:13:07.61
Mike
Yeah.

01:13:08.32
Bill
It's not fucking ace bandaging and this and that, but back to the point of at least it's not both legs. So here's the problem right now. Once I get going and get moving and stuff like that, I got to be real gingerly on it.

01:13:19.02
Bill
Um, you know, because it, it does, it hurts. But at this point, I think it's the, it's swollen to the point where the, the skin's so tight, that's what hurts.

01:13:21.13
Mike
ah

01:13:27.43
Bill
You know, so, um, when i when I'm sleeping, obviously my legs up and when I get up and when I get up in morning or get up for whatever, I've gotten up to go to the bathroom, whatever. And I stand up and it's almost like all the blood goes down into there and it like immediately swells up again.

01:13:37.19
Mike
tur

01:13:42.13
Bill
So I get this fucking monstrous pain and I can't step on it right away. Um, so if it were both legs, I wouldn't be able to get out of bed.

01:13:51.01
Mike
All right.

01:13:51.97
Bill
That would be the point. But it's like I have to just, you know, kind of like stand there. Basically, I have to kind of stretch it um forward, backward a little bit um to be able to walk on it. It's going to be fun. Try to get all my shit packed up and get it out of here. it ah Again, it's it's kind of fucked up. But the thing of it is, is that I still it's just really badly bruised um because at one point I'm like, man, I wonder if I got to go to the doctor for this, you know.

01:14:14.47
Bill
But I started reading some of the stuff. i'm like, all these different things, everything I've done, I even bought a heating pad. I ran out of, uh, ran out of bottled water and I'm like, I can't, I can, but I'm like, I don't want to walk through Walmart um to get the fucking bottled water.

01:14:27.34
Mike
Right.

01:14:27.64
Bill
So I did their curbside pickup and I'm like, I'm going to get a heating pad too. Um,

01:14:31.66
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:14:31.99
Bill
So I ended up getting, it was like, it was a $15 heating pad plus, you know, $3 thing of water. So, you know, 18 bucks, whatever it was, it's like $27. I looked, I'm like, what the fuck? Since my order wasn't over $35, I'm getting charged like $7 or something like that.

01:14:45.80
Mike
Uh-huh. Yep.

01:14:48.77
Bill
And I'm like, you know, I'm like, fuck it. I'm going to, I'm like, no, you're not just pay the seven bucks and be done with it.

01:14:54.27
Mike
Right.

01:14:55.04
Bill
Then they, then it's like, the I get this message. Oh, by the way, they don't have the heating pad. Here's the substitution. Your $15 heating pad is now a $23 heating pad. Are you fucking kidding me?

01:15:06.33
Bill
I spent $36 on fucking water in a heating pad.

01:15:10.04
Mike
Wow.

01:15:11.29
Bill
god damn it but hey is what it is so um but this goes back to the the you know so i was i was hiking and it was a waterfall trail that i went on which was you know a little bit to get to it when i got to it's just it was fucking beautiful it's just really nice i climbed up on it and was able to get some nice pictures and a couple of videos and things like that but um coming out of there and i thought about it the the last time uh

01:15:14.62
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:15:34.06
Bill
think it was the first weekend. Yeah, first weekend I was here. I had thought about it and I'm like, you know what? I said, I get to a lot of these trails and there's no cell phone service. And there's been a couple of times when um I think when I was here the last time, I just drove down this, this hill coming down the mountain. I'm like, well, sooner later, my GPS is going to pick up.

01:15:51.59
Bill
Like I have no fucking idea where I'm going.

01:15:52.00
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:15:53.99
Bill
you know, to try to get back.

01:15:54.20
Mike
Yeah.

01:15:55.56
Bill
Cause I don't, cause it led me out a different way than I came in. Cause the road that I went up was so fucking bumpy. There was another couple up there that I was hiking with. This is the first time this past summer. They're like, go down the other way.

01:16:05.98
Bill
It goes out to the same highway. You're fine, but it's, it's a lot smoother. The other one's too rough.

01:16:10.07
Mike
yeah

01:16:10.33
Bill
And I'm like, okay, but, um, I've got the GPS actually works on this car and it works well.

01:16:16.76
Mike
Nice.

01:16:17.52
Bill
GPS is satellite, you know?

01:16:18.88
Mike
Right.

01:16:19.56
Bill
So um I couldn't, I couldn't figure out how to punch the actual physical address here, but I finally figured out like hit place and I hit Walmart because I had to go there anyhow, um hit Walmart, whatever.

01:16:29.85
Bill
And it took me, it took me right out of there, you know, through my, my car GPS.

01:16:32.01
Mike
Yeah.

01:16:33.09
Bill
And then all of sudden Google maps pops up about, you know, 20 minutes into my drive when I got back into, you know, cell phone service. But so my question on that was, first of all, Do you remember, I mean, I know you do, um obviously working, you know, before GPS and you were ah truck driver prior to that.

01:16:45.82
Mike
Hmm.

01:16:48.33
Mike
Yeah, I was. Yeah.

01:16:50.91
Bill
Okay. So um first of all, I mean, let's speak about gratitude.

01:16:56.16
Mike
Yeah, I mean...

01:16:57.74
Bill
um But do you, ah looking back now, do you ever look back and think, how the fuck did I even do my job without GPS? Or did, was it just at that point just seem simple?

01:17:08.62
Mike
oh yeah i mean good It's what you did. You know, you yeah had this thing called an atlas, which was a book of maps.

01:17:18.62
Bill
Right.

01:17:19.00
Mike
um Yeah. And you say, okay, I'm here. i need to go there um And then, I mean, I would write out directions um for myself. ah Yeah.

01:17:29.33
Mike
Like every trip, you know, cause I mean, I would do, you know, but hundreds of miles trips, especially back then. um So yeah, you know, take, a you know, I 80 West for, you know, 200 miles. And then when you get to I whatever 65 or whatever, go South.

01:17:50.99
Mike
ah Yeah. Yeah. you know i'd write all that shit out and plan i mean yeah it was it was just what you did you know and then

01:17:58.67
Bill
Right.

01:17:59.93
Mike
um I mean, it wasn't so ancient. um i but you know I mean, generally, I'm trying to remember. I think the company that I worked for back then um would send out directions. It almost like MapQuest or whatever the fuck those were.

01:18:17.23
Mike
um you know So you would get a set of directions, um and then I would copy them down. and you know Then you get to you know Jones Street, make a right.

01:18:27.65
Mike
you know You get to Smith Street, make a left. Yeah, he' just fucking write this shit out and hope that it worked. it It usually did.

01:18:39.17
Bill
Yeah. And, you know, what was funny was is that so I never did any over the road driving or anything like that. But I like when I work for my dad, you know, we had me driving all over to place, these different places, go pick up parts and doing whatever.

01:18:51.96
Mike
Right.

01:18:52.18
Bill
um When I was in high school, I was a tow truck driver, you know, for the company.

01:18:55.93
Mike
Right.

01:18:56.09
Bill
And I mean, we we had to know the area to know that where we were going to pick up a car, you know. Um, but then when, when I got different, different sales jobs that I had, I mean, I remember the working in Milwaukee was Milwaukee's, uh, well, you know, Milwaukee, it's a, it's a fucking, it's a grid.

01:19:11.01
Mike
well right

01:19:12.15
Bill
It's a just a grid. It's, you know, North, South, East, West streets. Like for instance, um, you know, 72, 34 West Blue Mount road is 72nd and Blue Mount, you know, and once you know that, and then at the time I was doing it all the time,

01:19:23.03
Mike
right

01:19:28.38
Bill
I knew that the 4,000 block, which is, I still know this, the 4,000 block north is Capitol Drive. I don't remember what the 4,000 block south is, but once you know those things in a grid pattern, you can get to anywhere anywhere you fucking need to.

01:19:39.61
Mike
Uh-huh. Yeah, right.

01:19:41.97
Bill
And then like the address is out to, you know, like where I lived in Germantown Menominee Falls. The west and the north address are just map coordinates.

01:19:49.58
Mike
Right?

01:19:49.64
Bill
You know, so it's West one, one, two, you go on the map and put finger there, North this, and then put them together. And that's where you got to go. You know? um And when I worked at the, this one company in, in the Milwaukee area, and I started working up in like the Fox Valley area where Kimmy and Brian and stuff live,

01:20:06.54
Bill
When I go into an area, I would, uh, because we had a bunch of, we had phone books, obviously for, ah for all of the different areas in the state, all yellow pages. So the, we had, uh, the salespeople had an assistant and she was really cool. And I said, okay, I'm going to be in Oshkosh, Neenah, Manasha, Appleton, Fond du Lac.

01:20:24.57
Bill
Um, I said, I need, um, all the hospitals, medical offices and dental offices, just copy those pages out of the phone book for every single one.

01:20:32.50
Mike
Right.

01:20:33.74
Bill
And then I'd drive into town when I first got in there, find a gas station, buy a map. And then i would, I would sit down someplace and I would, I would highlight, you know, every place I wanted to go and just put little dots on a map.

01:20:45.89
Mike
Yeah.

01:20:46.54
Bill
And then I'm like, just go around in the circle that way, you know? Yeah. And, you know, yeah, you think about it it. Like you said, I, and I had atlases, I had roadmaps, I had, I used to have literally in my trunk, I had a box of maps.

01:21:00.99
Mike
Yeah. Right.

01:21:04.05
Bill
And it's like, well, ah I don't know, but these days GPS is just so much fucking easier, clearly, um until it doesn't work, you know?

01:21:11.96
Mike
Right. And I mean, you know, yeah, you know, i mean, I'll pull up Google Maps and look and whatever.

01:21:14.08
Bill
But,

01:21:18.63
Mike
I use it as a tool and I have a GPS in my truck and, you know, all that.

01:21:23.03
Bill
Right.

01:21:24.24
Mike
um But I mean, you know, occasionally i still have an Atlas in my truck. I still pull it out once in a while and look because it's like, okay, I'm here. I need to go there. What's the...

01:21:35.53
Mike
best way for me to go and it's it's sometimes you know because you zoom out google maps and it it's not all that detailed sometimes shit disappears and it's like well fuck it oh so yeah having that actual paper looking at the yeah there it is is kind of nice i mean i did it i don't know about a month ago i had to pull out my atlas and look and see which way i wanted to go

01:21:44.84
Bill
right

01:22:00.06
Mike
I mean, I had a general idea. I pretty i pretty much stay in Northeast Ohio now. i You know, but yeah, it was okay. I could go this way or this way or this way. i'm going to go this way because it looks like the easiest.

01:22:12.80
Bill
Right.

01:22:13.38
Mike
Yeah.

01:22:14.08
Bill
Well, there was a, whatever it was, a handful of years ago when I worked for that, that company in, in the Milwaukee area where I was, where I ran that sales office for the business phone service. And we worked off of atlases.

01:22:23.68
Mike
Yep.

01:22:26.26
Bill
That's how we picked out people's territories.

01:22:28.07
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:22:28.44
Bill
You know, so we, we would make copies of these, of these map, page or Atlas pages. And that's, you know, cause they had, you know, the town of Sussex, the town of Menominee falls.

01:22:35.75
Mike
Yeah. Right.

01:22:37.12
Bill
And we give people that like, you can only work what's, what's on this page. This is this territory.

01:22:41.84
Mike
Right.

01:22:42.10
Bill
Sometimes it'd be splits. We draw up, you know, a line down the middle type of thing.

01:22:45.18
Mike
Yeah.

01:22:45.60
Bill
But, um, you know, we were hiring a lot of people, um, you know, guys and girls that were in their, um, you know, twenties.

01:22:53.21
Mike
Sure.

01:22:53.33
Bill
You know, and just asking people, say, I, no offense, but do you know how to read a map?

01:22:58.17
Mike
Yeah.

01:22:58.60
Bill
And some of, we had a couple of people like, I, I, I get it. You know, obviously ah Google maps, I can, whatever, but teach me, tell me what I'm looking for.

01:23:05.07
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:23:06.88
Bill
And then just teach me once.

01:23:07.23
Mike
Right.

01:23:07.96
Bill
And I, I'm not, I never used one, but I, I, I get it I get the concept type of thing.

01:23:12.64
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:23:13.18
Bill
And it wasn't trying to be rude or anything like that.

01:23:15.21
Mike
Right.

01:23:15.36
Bill
It's just, you know, these, I mean, my son, I'm sure my son could read a map, um but he's never, I don't think he's had to, you know?

01:23:19.48
Mike
Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

01:23:26.14
Bill
He's 24. I mean, you know, why, why the fuck would he have had to, you know, deal with a map? You know, he said, he said a goddamn cell phone since he was five.

01:23:30.91
Mike
Right.

01:23:34.30
Mike
Exactly.

01:23:37.08
Bill
All right. um Oh, one, one real quick thing. So I know you don't care about Aaron Rogers. This just happened to be a ah conversation about him.

01:23:44.75
Mike
Ah, your boyfriend.

01:23:46.12
Bill
Yeah, exactly. Not anymore. um But you know, so

01:23:49.91
Mike
Got a little too wacky for you?

01:23:51.82
Bill
Well, and here's the funny part, and this is what this is exactly what they were talking about. So um the last, and they said the last handful of years, and I think it's pretty close to being that, Rodgers did the same thing as Brett Favre did, you know, kind of holding out for training camps and this and that, kind of holding up the team, never really saying what he wanted. This was both him and Brett Favre, you know, through the years.

01:24:12.51
Bill
And finally, it's just like, Jesus Christ, you know, either either stay or go, but do something, you know? um And then when he finally ended up, you know, leaving, And when he was going to the jets, I literally remember we we're at, uh, Michael and Megan's house.

01:24:25.30
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:24:25.35
Bill
And when Marty came up, I'm like, huh? Fucking Aaron Rogers. I'm like, were going to wear his goddamn Jersey. And Marty's like, he's like, he's like, he's going to be really good for the team.

01:24:29.58
Mike
Oh-ho. Yep.

01:24:32.45
Bill
I'm like, I said, Mark, my fucking words.

01:24:32.70
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:24:34.52
Bill
I said, he's, he's going to be a problem. He's going to blow up that team.

01:24:37.24
Mike
yeahp

01:24:38.46
Bill
He's like, Oh, he will not. He says, I'm like, have you been, have you been paying attention? I'm like, he's, he's a good quarterback, but I said, go back to the thing has won a super bowl. This and that gets close, always chokes in the big games.

01:24:48.76
Mike
her

01:24:50.77
Bill
I'm like, it's hard with his talent, but he's, he's fucking up the team. You know, he's a head case.

01:24:55.84
Mike
He's a head case. Well.

01:24:57.55
Bill
Yes.

01:24:58.15
Mike
Mm-hmm. Yep. Uh-huh.

01:24:59.07
Bill
And that's what he did. He went in there. He got he got the coach fired, the GM fired, at one of the offensive coordinators.

01:25:02.54
Mike
well

01:25:03.79
Bill
He brought in all these fucking people. He literally cost the, I forget what they said, that the millions and millions of dollars that the Jets are on the hook now.

01:25:08.91
Mike
there

01:25:10.82
Bill
And he's fucking gone. you know

01:25:12.22
Mike
help

01:25:12.78
Bill
So his latest thing, this is why they brought it up. His latest thing is Aaron Rodgers is complaining because the Jets, first of all, when they when they called him in to to basically ask him if he still wanted to play and then when they when they released him,

01:25:24.80
Mike
ha

01:25:25.72
Bill
Um, apparently he's saying that the jets made him pay for his flight out to New York, which whether that's true or not, doesn't really matter. Okay.

01:25:32.45
Mike
ha

01:25:33.15
Bill
But, um, he gets there and apparently he's telling us, cause I'm sure he, it sounds like he blew on a fucking private plane.

01:25:39.02
Mike
ahha

01:25:39.10
Bill
Um, Tell them, yeah oh, I'm going to be a couple hours, a few hours, go do whatever, go this and that. Apparently the meeting was like 25 minutes at the most. Apparently he walks in, he's saying, Aaron Rodgers saying that within 20 seconds, um you know, being there, I guess, whoever was there and then called in somebody else. And the question they ask is they're like, do you want to play football?

01:25:59.43
Mike
yeah

01:26:00.18
Bill
And I guess he, he, what he said, he goes, you know, I'm interested, which is kind of, that's, that's the Aaron Rogers way. You know, um Hey, I'm Aaron Rogers.

01:26:06.17
Mike
Uh

01:26:07.99
Bill
I'm I'll get to you. yeah Okay. And they're like, well, fine, we're going in another direction. Then basically fuck you and you're gone, you know?

01:26:14.24
Mike
huh.

01:26:15.29
Bill
So he's, he's, as they put it, he's all red assed about that. Right.

01:26:19.58
Mike
Yep.

01:26:20.35
Bill
So they're going back and forth about all this different stuff. And then one of the guys on the morning show, they're like, he's like, he goes, I can't take away this fact. He said, he goes, having him was really fun while all the good stuff was happening.

01:26:32.33
Bill
Okay.

01:26:32.59
Mike
Right?

01:26:33.27
Bill
So the other morning show guy says, he goes, yeah, just like drugs and whores.

01:26:37.52
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

01:26:39.46
Bill
ha yeah I couldn't stop laughing. The other guys laugh and they laugh for like five fucking minutes. And then he's like, he two, three minutes later, he's like, he goes, yeah, he goes six months down the road. He goes, I think I've got herpes.

01:26:53.68
Mike
yeah

01:26:55.37
Bill
It was just so fucking funny. And I'm like, that's exactly what it is. Aaron Rodgers was as fun as drugs and whores.

01:27:01.17
Mike
yeah

01:27:02.94
Bill
So anyhow, like I said, I know you, I figured you might appreciate the comment. Not that you would like care anything about Aaron Rodgers. I don't, I don't care about him.

01:27:08.23
Mike
Right.

01:27:09.14
Bill
So All right. So I'm trying to think if either one of these articles would irritate you. I can't remember, but we're going to wrap up either with some good stuff or some irritations, whichever one they are.

01:27:15.19
Mike
yeah

01:27:19.58
Mike
All right. Either way, I'm up for both.

01:27:24.35
Bill
Oh, this one you might know. 10 classic rock bands that released 10 or more studio albums. Okay.

01:27:33.73
Mike
Okay.

01:27:33.88
Bill
So this is more of a, more of a rock trivia or history type of thing.

01:27:37.91
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:27:38.56
Bill
So out of the top 10, guess we won't even go pick any one band that you think has had more than 10 studio albums.

01:27:47.47
Mike
All right. ah Well, the Beatles.

01:27:50.87
Bill
What's the Beatles in here? If they aren't, did they have that many studio

01:27:56.35
Mike
Yeah, I'm sure. would yeah i mean, because, say you know, they're putting out like two a year at the beginning. so

01:28:06.24
Mike
Well, clearly the Rolling Stones just because they've been around so fucking long.

01:28:10.30
Bill
Okay, so they're they're number one. Guess how many studio albums?

01:28:13.48
Mike
I probably like 20 some, 22, 23. Okay. Yeah. Hmm. well, sort

01:28:18.04
Bill
31.

01:28:18.72
Mike
wow okay

01:28:19.64
Bill
Yeah, but that's what I thought.

01:28:20.23
Mike
yeah

01:28:20.60
Bill
The same thing. You know what? The Beatles are not on here. Kiss has 20. That's number two.

01:28:26.30
Mike
yeah i sort of

01:28:28.37
Bill
Oh, sort of. Okay.

01:28:29.23
Mike
Well, I mean, yeah, you know, the actual KISS put out six studio albums, but...

01:28:34.88
Bill
Oh, okay. Okay. I get i get it. I get you. mean, ACDC, 18.

01:28:39.82
Mike
Yeah.

01:28:40.69
Bill
Seems like a lot. Fleetwood Mac, 18.

01:28:43.42
Mike
Yeah, well, that's the same thing. 14,000 different bands with, you know, Mick Fleetwood and Roger McVie.

01:28:45.60
Bill
Save, yeah. Mishmash.

01:28:50.80
Mike
Yeah. ah

01:28:51.74
Bill
so

01:28:52.56
Mike
John McVie. Ah, whatever. McVie.

01:28:54.38
Bill
The McVie.

01:28:55.24
Mike
Yeah. The bass player.

01:28:57.06
Bill
CZ Top, number five at 15.

01:28:59.31
Mike
Yeah.

01:29:01.20
Bill
Aerosmith, 15, number six.

01:29:02.91
Mike
Yeah.

01:29:03.88
Bill
Queen, 15.

01:29:05.35
Mike
Yeah.

01:29:07.14
Bill
Journey's in there, not that we care about Journey. The Who, 12.

01:29:09.17
Mike
Huh. Huh.

01:29:11.49
Bill
Van Halen was number 10 with 12.

01:29:14.40
Mike
yeah

01:29:15.68
Bill
So that's weird. The Beatles are not on this list. So I wonder if they had, maybe they had 11 because I mean, they're the number 10 here was Van Halen at 12.

01:29:17.94
Mike
ah

01:29:23.67
Bill
But um I just thought that might be interesting that, that you might, you might know that one. So, but you were right. I mean, you guessed, ah you you guessed the the number one, that's for damn sure.

01:29:31.89
Mike
Right. Yeah. Well, you do it for 50 fucking years and more than that, 60 years.

01:29:34.26
Bill
um

01:29:39.25
Bill
Yeah.

01:29:39.32
Mike
Right.

01:29:40.18
Bill
Yeah. How could I suppose? How could you not be number one? Right.

01:29:43.16
Mike
Right.

01:29:44.04
Bill
OK, so this one, i don't i'm not going to say I'm disappointed in you for for not bringing this up, but there there are two bands that are touring together this year that are two of your favorites.

01:29:50.73
Mike
and Okay.

01:29:55.34
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:29:57.96
Mike
Oh, yeah, Priest and Cooper this fall.

01:29:59.59
Bill
Yeah, I just saw that.

01:30:00.40
Mike
They're going out with Crows and a... Yeah, they just announced it this week.

01:30:04.58
Bill
Oh, was it? Okay. And I didn't know when it was announced.

01:30:05.36
Mike
Yeah, they're doing a fall tour. Yeah.

01:30:07.63
Bill
Okay. But they're playing in, they said going back to Michigan. So is that like Michigan, a big thing?

01:30:12.17
Mike
so Yeah, they're doing a Pine Knob.

01:30:12.53
Bill
Clarkston?

01:30:13.93
Mike
but

01:30:14.49
Bill
Yeah. Okay. I'm looking at, yeah, looking at that right now. But, um, so that was just announced this week. Okay. Well, that, that makes sense because I'm like, how in the fuck did you not bring that up?

01:30:24.87
Mike
Right.

01:30:24.92
Bill
I'm like, you talk about, i mean, the two of them in two of your favorite fans, right?

01:30:27.37
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:30:28.89
Bill
Am I wrong in that?

01:30:29.06
Mike
Yeah. No, yeah they're up there.

01:30:30.90
Bill
Okay.

01:30:31.56
Mike
Yep.

01:30:32.30
Bill
So are they playing in, I saw Austin, Texas. They're playing in Cincinnati.

01:30:37.63
Mike
Uh-huh. Yeah, I mean, the closest, I think they they might be doing Pittsburgh, too. They're not coming to Cleveland, though, I know that. Yeah,

01:30:44.31
Bill
Yeah. I didn't see, I see Cincinnati, then they're Tinley Park.

01:30:47.55
Mike
I mean, Pine Knob's the closest up Clarkston outside of Detroit.

01:30:49.57
Bill
Right.

01:30:52.90
Bill
So was that like, um I, cause I, that was like one that they highlighted, like going back to, is that like a big deal to be at that for them or no?

01:31:00.66
Mike
Pine Knob?

01:31:01.48
Bill
Yeah.

01:31:02.06
Mike
Nah, I mean, yeah. I mean, last time I saw Alice was there with a Ace Frehley.

01:31:05.87
Bill
Oh, okay. So so do you do you have any any any like for the Doobie Brothers anymore or no?

01:31:08.32
Mike
Yeah, yeah, you know. i My first concert was there, the Doobie Brothers, man. Yeah.

01:31:19.93
Mike
Oh, sure, they're fine.

01:31:23.99
Bill
See, you know, that's, ah and people don't know that. If you just get, if you, if you get like a medium out of Mike or I'm like, yeah, they're okay.

01:31:30.19
Mike
Uh-huh. Yeah.

01:31:31.47
Bill
If you don't get an extreme, like the motherfuckers or, or the, but yeah, either the motherfuckers are great or they suck.

01:31:34.00
Mike
Yeah, but they suck.

01:31:38.69
Bill
um Yeah. Sometimes I just ask them about bands. Cause I, I want to hear the extreme.

01:31:42.07
Mike
Right?

01:31:44.14
Bill
Cause I, I don't know. And then there's, I'll never forget when you were, when did you see Boy George open for, was that in excess?

01:31:51.80
Mike
ah Yeah.

01:31:53.44
Bill
Was it?

01:31:53.96
Mike
No, I think it was the other way around, an excess opening for Culture Club. but

01:31:57.60
Bill
Oh, okay. So yeah, that's, that's what it was. Cause they was, um, we were when I kind of probably 10 years ago now.

01:32:00.36
Mike
Yeah.

01:32:04.15
Bill
Um, there was a, I mean, NXS was a band that I really enjoyed and in high school. It's a lot of people. I mean, there was a, that was their, you know, heyday and all that shit. Um, and I think I had, uh, I got some sort of thing where I downloaded a greatest hits from them or whatever the thing was.

01:32:19.63
Bill
And you and I were talking about it. And then we're going back and forth in this conversation. Like, yeah, he goes, you're like, yeah, I saw them open up when I saw Culture Club.

01:32:26.59
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:32:26.70
Bill
I'm like, oh, that's kind of cool. Kept talking. Like, wait a second. You heard what I said, right?

01:32:29.81
Mike
Uh-huh. Yeah.

01:32:30.91
Bill
and Because you were waiting for me to like say something, but you know, because you went to see, you know, fucking Boy George. I'm like, I'm like, I don't like I don't care. I'm like, you have such this. There's really nothing. You don't really surprise me.

01:32:42.99
Bill
you're either you're Either you're really fucking predictable or it's so fucking weird that I'm like, well, of course he did.

01:32:47.50
Mike
Right. Right.

01:32:49.15
Bill
you know Or why wouldn't he?

01:32:49.68
Mike
Yeah. Why wouldn't I?

01:32:52.11
Bill
Yeah.

01:32:52.09
Mike
Right.

01:32:52.82
Bill
um But the only thing that ever surprises me about you is that if i if there's been a story um that's like kind of a big-ish story that I've never heard before.

01:33:01.74
Mike
Right.

01:33:02.57
Bill
Other than that, it's just kind of like, Like, how the fuck did I ever hear that?

01:33:03.12
Mike
Yep.

01:33:07.94
Bill
But other than that, no, it doesn't that't really surprise me. So, okay. All right. So they just came out this week, but all right. Yeah, I think that was, that was it.

01:33:13.98
Mike
ye

01:33:15.15
Bill
That was the, things the things that the rock band and then the, the whatever. And I believe, um oh, real last thing. You know what? Do your goodbyes. I'll wrap up ah on the other, on the other side of this with my, why I'm going to Wisconsin. Okay.

01:33:28.99
Mike
Okay. yeah So, all right, I guess we're done here. ah yeah Well, thank you, everyone, for listening to another episode of Not Mature.

01:33:42.27
Mike
Always be kind to each other, be good to each other. go out and do something nice for somebody else this week and don't tell anybody you did it. Now, from the bottom of my heart to the depths of my soul, from the beginning of time till the ends of the earth, always and eternally, fuck you.

01:34:02.81
Mike
Now it's time, kids. It is that time. It's time for you to fuck off. Then keep fucking off. Keep fucking off till you get to a gate with a sign on it saying, you cannot fuck off past here.

01:34:15.59
Mike
Climb over that gate. Dream the impossible dream. Keep fucking off forever.

01:34:22.93
Bill
I like that voice. That's a, again, almost back to the crusty, the clown type of voice. So a lot of times that's kind of my, that's kind of my trick. I'll usually have one more thing in my head, but I'm like, ah, let's wrap up. And I'm like, ah, fuck it. I'll talk about it afterwards.

01:34:35.11
Bill
But then usually you're in a good mood.

01:34:35.12
Mike
All

01:34:36.39
Bill
And then I can talk for another, I can talk for another couple of minutes cause you think we're done. But so the short story is my, my car, um, and my temporary tags and my registration. Okay.

01:34:45.95
Mike
Ah.

01:34:46.45
Bill
So I bought my car. I took delivery of it on January 31st, which is two and a half months ago, right? Do the math.

01:34:51.76
Mike
Right.

01:34:52.77
Bill
And this past Monday, so whatever day that was, a 14th, 15th, whatever fucking 14th, right?

01:34:57.95
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:34:59.35
Bill
um I get this email. It's like, your registration's not going to get done. You got to sign this form, this odometer You got to get this. We're going to send it out. You got to return it within 48 hours. And I'm like, what the fuck? And as soon as I read it, the form made, I remember it, just a Wisconsin form. It's a verification. but It's just an odometer reading form.

01:35:16.36
Bill
It's not that big, but the exact name was, you know, I'm like, oh, that form.

01:35:16.37
Mike
Right.

01:35:19.68
Bill
So somebody sat on their fucking dick for the last two and a half months. And then now, and you know when May 1st is coming right up around the corner, right?

01:35:29.15
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:35:30.43
Bill
They're like, oh, you've got to get this paperwork into us. I'm like, this was not my fucking fault. And I'm fucking irritated because I'm like, holy shit. They're going mail to Wisconsin. I can't get up there.

01:35:40.74
Bill
I'm in fucking North Carolina.

01:35:40.92
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

01:35:42.64
Bill
I didn't even have a chance to get up to him. Like, to have to take off work, blah, blah, blah. So I end up calling and I'm trying not to rip this, this fucking broad, it just, it's new ass. And I'm like, it's not your fault, but she's like, well, but you got to get this done.

01:35:51.16
Mike
Right.

01:35:54.02
Bill
I'm like, you understand this is not my fault. Right.

01:35:56.53
Mike
Right.

01:35:56.71
Bill
But I'm like, you know, I'm in North Carolina. This is that, well, we're going to send it to you. And then within two days, you got to get it back to us. I said, I need to repeat myself.

01:36:04.04
Mike
Right.

01:36:05.42
Bill
I'm in North Carolina. I said, the only good news is I'm going back to Indiana. And I said, I'm going to have to take off a work, but I can get up to Wisconsin on Monday. I said, I travel lot, do all this different stuff.

01:36:17.07
Bill
I said, I could have been halfway across the damn country with no chance of being back for a couple of weeks.

01:36:19.56
Mike
right

01:36:21.51
Bill
you know

01:36:21.97
Mike
Yeah.

01:36:23.36
Bill
So all said and done, yes, that's why I'm going to be in Wisconsin on Monday. I get to go see my buddy. But yeah, I got to drive up to Wisconsin to go to my UPS box.

01:36:31.18
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:36:32.74
Bill
Yeah.

01:36:33.29
Mike
Yeah.

01:36:34.44
Bill
And that's where they sent it. It's already there.

01:36:36.89
Mike
Great.

01:36:37.28
Bill
I got the notification that I received a package.

01:36:38.62
Mike
All right. Well, so i you're pissed off. You knew you had to do this, right? You've had other cars. You had to register. You knew eventually this was going to happen. You got the car two and a half months ago.

01:36:53.45
Bill
No, no, no. They do all the registration. I cannot touch any of it. I have no ability to do any of it.

01:36:57.03
Mike
Okay. Right. Okay. Yeah.

01:36:58.88
Bill
So I bought it from Carvana. They do all the paperwork.

01:37:00.97
Mike
Right. Yeah.

01:37:02.18
Bill
So what they do is Carvana gives, it's like buying it from when the dealer processes your paperwork.

01:37:07.72
Mike
yeah

01:37:07.87
Bill
um It's all hands off. i couldn't I couldn't do anything with the DMV. It's all through them.

01:37:12.35
Mike
right

01:37:12.73
Bill
i've I've kept in touch with them now for the last month. i keep On the app, you can see that it's being processed through. i was literally at their mercy.

01:37:18.35
Mike
yeah

01:37:19.82
Bill
i did everything that I needed to do, got all the paperwork, got all the forms, everything, signed everything. Literally within like two weeks, they get got all the forms signed.

01:37:28.94
Mike
Yeah.

01:37:29.22
Bill
And they give you a temporary tag and they process everything through because you're you're paying for it through there.

01:37:33.26
Mike
right

01:37:35.01
Bill
So there's nothing that I could have done the speed this long. If I would have called the DMV, ah they're like, we don't have anything.

01:37:38.80
Mike
Right.

01:37:42.46
Bill
and I couldn't have done anything because Carvana is the one that has to process the paperwork.

01:37:46.83
Mike
Right.

01:37:46.98
Bill
So nothing I could have done.

01:37:49.32
Mike
Right. Yeah.

01:37:50.71
Bill
So so they they didn't include the form in my initial paperwork is the problem.

01:37:51.36
Mike
But.

01:37:54.67
Mike
Okay. All right.

01:37:55.81
Bill
That's that's what happened.

01:37:55.90
Mike
All right.

01:37:58.40
Bill
So yeah, this, this for once was not on me.

01:38:00.79
Mike
a

01:38:01.85
Bill
And if, um, I mean, believe me, if it, if it would have been, I would have done it, I would have done it a month ago. I was in Wisconsin for, you know, two weeks.

01:38:06.40
Mike
Right. Yeah, right.

01:38:08.63
Bill
Um, but no, the, the form somehow. So all that the, all the paperwork. So when you go to a dealer and sign all the paperwork, um, in whether they're, um, like, like in this case, the the problem with Carvana, like when I bought my last car, cause I asked that the person that dropped off my vehicle, cause I signed all the stuff, you know, for the plates and the registration, whatever,

01:38:15.94
Mike
Right.

01:38:27.47
Bill
I said, do you guys, I said, nobody ever asked me about transferring plates.

01:38:30.85
Mike
Right.

01:38:30.91
Bill
She's like, no, we're going to process. We get your registration. We actually get you physical plates. And like, I remember that now that, then I have to go to Wisconsin and and I've got ah I've got to transfer my personalized plates, but the vehicle right now, the vehicle is not even physically in my name yet.

01:38:38.63
Mike
Ah.

01:38:42.33
Mike
Right.

01:38:47.46
Mike
ah

01:38:48.03
Bill
OK, it's all in. pride I don't have the registration. I have nothing.

01:38:50.93
Mike
right

01:38:51.72
Bill
You know, that's what they're doing. But they're they got to push this paperwork through Wisconsin. And it doesn't take that long. The problem is, is that, like I said, they forgot the form to begin with.

01:39:02.32
Mike
ah

01:39:02.39
Bill
And then they sat on it for literally two and a half months. And all a sudden they're like, oh, wait a second. We don't have this form. Probably Wisconsin kicked it back on. I'm like, yeah, you don't have this form.

01:39:11.20
Mike
Right.

01:39:11.94
Bill
So yeah, nothing for once, nothing that I could have done.

01:39:14.36
Mike
he

01:39:15.05
Bill
I had, there's no way in the world I could have done anything at all.

01:39:18.54
Mike
That. That. Right.

01:39:20.30
Bill
So, but thank you for looking at a way to blame me.

01:39:21.76
Mike
I try.

01:39:21.94
Bill
I appreciate it.

01:39:22.85
Mike
True. Yeah. Gotta look at our part, man.

01:39:25.80
Bill
Well, you know what? And it' seriously, and the, the, the part, look I look at this cause I've got a Carvana app all the time. like in progress, in progress. I've sent a couple of messages. I'm like, what's going on? It's still in progress. Look at it.

01:39:37.37
Bill
You know, the questions I'm like, okay. I'm like, it's coming up, you know, this and that. And I'm like, Jesus Christ. Like, don't worry. It'll be done in time. Everything's fine. Everything's fine.

01:39:45.01
Mike
Right.

01:39:45.75
Bill
Everything's fine until it's not.

01:39:47.83
Mike
Mm-hmm. right

01:39:49.25
Bill
So, so yeah, now I've got a, yeah, when I get up there. So on Monday I've got to sign it. It came through FedEx. So it'll go back through FedEx. They'll get it within two days. So whatever day it is, then, I told the chick on the phone, i'm like, I said, you guys need to get this done on time.

01:40:03.60
Bill
You know, I said, um because at that point then, i mean, granted it's on me.

01:40:03.63
Mike
Right. Yeah.

01:40:07.62
Bill
if If by May 1st, because all I got to do is I got to, file I'll find a weekend to go up there and get my plays once they're sent.

01:40:13.61
Mike
Right.

01:40:13.70
Bill
um That's not a big deal. And at that point, if they, um, if it, if it happens to expire or something like that, I mean, if I have to deal with something like that, it's not a, not a big deal as long as I know it's processed through, cause then I should be able to get a copy of the registration.

01:40:28.83
Mike
Right.

01:40:29.32
Bill
Um, but then I just got to grab, grab the plate. So, so yeah, it's, uh, it again, just let me repeat for once, not my fault.

01:40:31.89
Mike
Right.

01:40:36.11
Mike
he All right.

01:40:40.09
Bill
But yeah, so anyhow, I don't know. we'll We'll talk about this weekend or whatever it is as as this weekend comes up.

01:40:44.88
Mike
Yeah.

01:40:46.15
Bill
And then, I don't know, I guess for now, fuck me. It's quarter to nine. I get it. You realize what time I got a lead to leave tomorrow? No sleep tonight.

01:40:51.88
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:40:53.02
Bill
No sleep till Brooklyn.

01:40:55.34
Mike
Yeah. Sleep to Valpo.

01:40:58.43
Bill
Yeah, no sleep. All right. Anyhow, I love you, brother.

01:41:01.28
Mike
Love you too.

01:41:02.07
Bill
We'll talk soon.

01:41:02.86
Mike
We shall.

01:41:03.75
Bill
All righty. Bye.

01:41:05.17
Mike
bye