SoberNotMature - Episode 164 (Don't Drive On The Tracks)

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Bill
All right. Time for a super non-mature.

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Mike
Sure. Ha ha ha ha ha.

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Bill
All right, everyone. Welcome once again to another episode of Sober, Not Mature. We should sound like really fucking good. We just did some promos now and we're all, we're all voiced up.

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Mike
Yes. um Right.

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Bill
it wasn't the way

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Mike
feel good, man. God. Hey, kids.

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Bill
Yeah, sound like Krusty the Clown. I like that. we we should set that aside. We're going to bring him in as a character every once in a while.

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Mike
oh god

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Bill
Ladies and gentlemen, Krusty the Clown.

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Mike
hey kids

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Bill
but God, that's actually pretty fucking good.

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Mike
home

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Bill
Again, I've known you almost 15 fucking years and I've never heard you Krusty the Clown. Goddamn.

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Mike
Multi-talented.

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Bill
Yeah, you've got you multi something. I'll tell you that much.

00:05:53.55
Mike
Yeah, right. Multiple personalities.

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Bill
But so we're going to start the episode here with ah with a little activity. It's one that you kids can play at home.

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Mike
e and Okay.

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Bill
Okay. But Mike, i this is something i and up I want you to play along too. Okay.

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Mike
Okay.

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Bill
So... Everyone grab your Google machines. If it's your phone, if you're at work and you want to type this into your work computer, I highly recommend it. It's probably not safe for work, but it's your fucking job, not mine.

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Bill
So let's type this or use your phone or use your phone.

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Mike
All right.

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Bill
It doesn't matter.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
Okay.

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Mike
Standing by.

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Bill
tight Type in gargling snake sperm. Okay. Now for those of you who are challenged like me, It didn't realize that gargling didn't have an E.

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Bill
It's G-A-R-G-L-I-N-G, gargling snake sperm.

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Mike
yeah

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Bill
Okay. So what I want to know, first of all, you might, since I can't hear from our listeners at the moment, um what comes up in the first five searches when you, or the first five results?

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Bill
Did you type it in yet?

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Mike
ah Yeah, I'm working on it.

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Bill
Oh, Jesus. Okay.

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Mike
Hey, man, I am slow at typing, all right?

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Bill
Garg. Is this like what you used to do text messages on your?

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Mike
Yeah, right. Hey, top first thing, Spotify, Sober Not Mature, episode 163.

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Bill
What are the other four?

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Mike
IBDM, Sober Not Mature, episode 163. Well, at number three, Reddit, Jessica Simpson's advice to singers.

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Bill
right

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Mike
And number four, ah wow, ah Nova FM, whatever the fuck that is on YouTube. Shock as pop star reveals snake sperm is the secret.

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Bill
Yeah, but

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Mike
But the first two are us, baby.

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Bill
right. And I was curious because, and just curiously, we do not ask people to write in, but for this one, I'm kind of curious because, so I think everyone realizes Facebook, Instagram, Google, all these search engines, especially search engines, um it's all in an algorithm.

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Bill
It said sometimes they'll lean towards things that you're involved in more. And I mean, I'm fucking balls deep in our podcast shit all the time.

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Mike
No, your balls deep. Yeah. Yeah.

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Bill
Well, you know what? I am.

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Mike
Myself. I'm just the tip. That's right.

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Bill
But I'm sorry. Okay, I'm knee deep. Well, but no, i'm I'm fucking balls deep.

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Mike
no your ballss deep yeah yeah

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Bill
i I am balls deep in our pod.

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Mike
myself i'm just the tip

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Bill
yeah You're just a talent.

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Bill
Ah, it still cracks me up like Bill fucking Maria Groundhog Day. Did he just refer to himself as the talent?

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Mike
that's right

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Bill
um But anyhow, so with all the work I do on our podcast, I thought possibly that it was just, I was getting not skewed results, but more direct results because of that.

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Mike
Sure. Right.

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Bill
So um obviously,

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Mike
Well, I mean, I would imagine my algorithm does have some links to this podcast.

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Bill
correct. That's my second thing, but you're not in it as much and certainly not on your Chromebook.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
Or did you go on your phone?

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Mike
I went on my phone.

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Bill
Oh, okay. So either way, I mean, you're, you're not as deep in your, again, just the tip, but I would be interested.

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Mike
Just a tip.

00:09:05.44
Bill
Seriously. If anyone out there wants to take a half a second, send, send us an email. It's info at sober, not mature.com.

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Mike
Sure.

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Bill
I just want to know if that episode shows up in the first five and I'll tell you why it does. Okay. Um, I learned a little bit about s this SEO stuff, the search engine optimization when I was doing the websites and stuff like that.

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Mike
ah

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Bill
um I do not spend a lot of time on it because it takes a lot of time um to do it right. And I'm fucking lazy.

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Mike
sure

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Bill
And, you know, so... optimizing our episodes is, is not my number one priority. If we, we did AI descriptions, like Elise and the sober curator, very, very good at it. Anytime one of they take one of our articles, um I mean, within, within two days at the most, if you do a search on whatever the topic is, we're, we're in the top three.

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Bill
Okay.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
um She's sure. And Alex and the other people there that do it just really good at it. I'm not, but what I did was and it quite honestly,

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Mike
Yeah.

00:10:00.45
Bill
I could have lied, but this is a program of honesty.

00:10:02.44
Mike
Right. Okay.

00:10:03.52
Bill
um i didn't, I didn't think about the number one thing that you should do. Like in if you write an article, the article of your, well, the title of your article is gargling snake sperm. That exact term should appear at least twice in the body of the article.

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Bill
Okay.

00:10:18.89
Mike
okay

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Bill
Cause that ties it in. That's part of the whole SEO thing. ah Again, I learned this just by the shit that I was trying to do. so I put that in our description right at the end. I'm like, oh yeah, we did talk about gargling snake sperm.

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Mike
Sure.

00:10:32.81
Bill
So I didn't think about it until after the fact. I'm like, oh fuck. I'm like, I inadvertently, I said, I think I, i think I optimized the SEO on this episode. And that's when I did the search. I'm like, that's fucking awesome.

00:10:43.77
Mike
m Yeah.

00:10:44.34
Bill
Now, the only thing I didn't do is, and I think we would have got more hits if I would have put Jessica Simpson's name in in the body of it, but it would have probably had to be in the title and whatever to get more hits.

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Mike
Right.

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Bill
Because like if you see these articles, when you did the search, it says Jessica Simpson, whatever, and then obviously it's in the article.

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Mike
Yeah.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:11:01.05
Bill
um So again, these are these are just basics with like SEO shit, which I don't know a lot about it, but I know that. So I accidentally did well.

00:11:08.14
Mike
All right.

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Bill
Um, so I'm curious also to see if, uh, the next time we get our word search, maybe this will put us over the top and away from the pissing mature thing.

00:11:20.06
Mike
he

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Bill
Okay. Maybe not. Maybe that'll show up more.

00:11:22.07
Mike
Maybe not. Mm-hmm.

00:11:23.16
Bill
Okay. All right. So second part of the activity, and this is just for my friend, Mike. Okay.

00:11:28.09
Mike
All right.

00:11:28.87
Bill
I want you to take your, I don't care your right or your left hand, whatever's more comfortable and

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Mike
Okay.

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Bill
Pat yourself on the back, okay?

00:11:35.60
Mike
All right.

00:11:36.55
Bill
Because I've said it before, Mike is the one that gets not only the pictures, which fucking awesome picture too, the snake, loved it.

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Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:11:43.85
Bill
The episode picture, but the episode title, they're all Mike. Every fucking one of them one, the cheesehead one, that's the only one.

00:11:47.72
Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Bill
And um I didn't even pick the title, I picked the picture.

00:11:51.01
Mike
Right.

00:11:53.41
Bill
You picked the title.

00:11:53.85
Mike
Yeah. Right.

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Bill
um but So every one of our titles is your deal. And you did, you do an excellent job at this one.

00:11:57.82
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:12:01.11
Mike
Yeah.

00:12:02.04
Bill
Kudos. Kudos.

00:12:03.12
Mike
All right.

00:12:05.47
Bill
So anyhow, I just thought that would be, that'd be kind of fun to to play with a little bit.

00:12:05.62
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:12:08.87
Bill
So I'm just, I am, I'm seriously curious to see if, if it showed up in other people's searches. If so, even if it doesn't fuck it, it's a, I don't know. It's kind of a win. Oh, real quick side note.

00:12:18.18
Mike
Right.

00:12:18.30
Bill
Remember I mentioned alcoholfree.com. The one that says, but does nice write-ups and everything for us and all that.

00:12:23.72
Mike
Right.

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Bill
um This episode is the first one since they started tracking our episodes that didn't show up. Yeah.

00:12:30.21
Mike
Really?

00:12:31.05
Bill
Oh, yeah. So um probably because of the title.

00:12:34.29
Mike
Yes. Uh-huh.

00:12:35.08
Bill
So again, Mike, but right or left hand, whichever one you want to take, pat yourself on the back.

00:12:40.34
Mike
I'll use my left this time.

00:12:41.73
Bill
Okay, so for potentially getting us not only, well, at least getting one episode barred from the website, um but possibly getting us banned from a website.

00:12:49.60
Mike
All right.

00:12:51.32
Bill
um If we do get banned from there, that'll be the the best fucking possible way to get banned from a website.

00:12:56.36
Mike
sure

00:12:56.46
Bill
It's not like they do anything for us, and that's not going to hurt us.

00:12:59.20
Mike
right

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Bill
um And I think it'd be a badge of honor if they never if they never pick up our episodes again, because you use the words sperm, you know, or snake sperm.

00:13:06.87
Mike
I, right. Or gargling. Maybe they have a problem with that.

00:13:09.32
Bill
Yeah, gargling. But yeah, it's because usually I look at it. It's fun. It's

00:13:14.45
Mike
Well, the Listerine has alcohol in it, so maybe the gargling is what put them off.

00:13:14.75
Bill
it's

00:13:21.17
Bill
Hey, we were fine with the sperm, but the gargling, are you?

00:13:22.86
Mike
Right. We can't, we can't gargle. Hmm.

00:13:25.95
Bill
He went to goddamn far with the gargling. Jesus Christ.

00:13:28.57
Mike
Hmm. Hmm.

00:13:29.20
Bill
But anyhow, so if ah I was, i was laughing because I kept checking all week. I'm like, oh yeah, fuck it. They're not going to pick it up. They usually have it picked up by late Sunday or Monday. And I always look, cause it's, I, I think it's interesting because the, it's all AI generated descriptions, but

00:13:37.57
Mike
Mm-hmm.

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Mike
Right?

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Bill
And AI, if nothing else, intrigues me. I've got a brief little thing on AI. ah Two things on AI for this week. um It intrigues me, if nothing else. And ah um I'm always interested to see. They pull some really good shit out of there.

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Bill
um I know nobody's writing it. They're taking it from our transcript or from the episode itself.

00:14:00.53
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:14:01.95
Bill
And i'm it blows my mind how well the how good the description is based on that.

00:14:07.17
Mike
Hmm.

00:14:07.73
Bill
you know so it's

00:14:07.89
Mike
All right.

00:14:08.65
Bill
But anyhow, so we we may be...

00:14:09.41
Mike
Don't suck up to our AI overlords just a little more.

00:14:13.93
Bill
Well, we may be banned by the website, but I don't know. They do a nice job when on the one and the ones that they did do. so yeah But anyhow, so I got some other stuff. I got to think about my book. I fell this week. I want to tell you about that.

00:14:26.31
Bill
um I got some articles that I ran across. i don't know we got normal shit, but yeah.

00:14:30.33
Mike
Right.

00:14:32.27
Bill
like normal shit it which would be like see that was that was the segue man come on there's a reason why we're not number one at anything anymore ever it's a why why are we getting banned because you guys suck it's not because you use gargling or sperm sperm gargler

00:14:33.34
Mike
Like normal shit, like a reading.

00:14:40.39
Mike
That's right. Yeah, right. Mm-hmm.

00:14:48.70
Bill
yeah

00:14:49.38
Mike
Hi there. We're the sperm gargoyle. See, we should use that for the title of the podcast.

00:14:54.80
Bill
sperm garglers

00:14:55.34
Mike
Hi, we're sperm gargoyle.

00:14:59.52
Mike
ah We definitely get a different audience.

00:15:01.74
Bill
and That is true. Yeah, I think that would that would definitely kick the mature pissing out of our, out of our ah what do you want to call it, search.

00:15:06.00
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:15:08.84
Bill
So anyhow, but let's let's talk about something wholesome.

00:15:09.84
Mike
Anyway, yeah

00:15:12.41
Bill
You got a gargling reading or

00:15:15.10
Mike
no, I do not.

00:15:16.27
Bill
Oh, damn it.

00:15:16.51
Mike
I, you know, well, I don't know. Blame the people that wrote, keep it simple. Cause that's where we're reading from this week.

00:15:25.10
Mike
Send your letters to them. Care of North pole. All right. odd This is from a couple of days ago. um the april 8th uh that read this one like i said a couple days ago and went ah it's all right i think i'll use that so here it is i'm using it uh it's a simple formula do your best and somebody might like it dorothy baker i didn't have a chance to look her up so why you got that google machine in your hand you do some work all right

00:15:57.96
Mike
Our program is a selfish program. It tells us to let go of what others think. We're staying sober for ourselves, not for anyone else.

00:16:08.81
Mike
Our body and our spirit are at stake. We know what we need to do to stay sober. If we feel shaky about going to a party, we don't go, no matter who gets upset.

00:16:21.53
Mike
If our job makes it hard to stay sober, we get a different one, no matter who gets upset. It's simple. We must take good care of ourselves before we can be good to others.

00:16:33.89
Mike
In doing this, we learn how to be a friend, a good parent, a good spouse. We have to take care of ourselves to have good relationships. Do I believe it's okay to be selfish when it comes to my program?

00:16:48.10
Mike
Prayer for the day. Higher power. Help me do what is best for my recovery, no matter what others think. Action for the day. Pesky, pesky actions.

00:17:01.52
Mike
I will remind myself that staying sober is simple. I don't use substances, and I work the program.

00:17:10.20
Bill
Well, i I don't really have any questions on that because I think that is ah about as elementary as it could get, right? That last line. Let's see. Wait, what was that again? don't Don't use substances.

00:17:21.57
Mike
Don't use substances and work the program.

00:17:22.63
Bill
Okay.

00:17:25.88
Bill
Mike, do you agree? Yeah.

00:17:27.61
Mike
No, no, no, not at all. That's a bunch of nonsense. Use all the substances you want and don't do shit.

00:17:37.47
Bill
I'll just go on for 25 minutes debating something that that we truly believe in.

00:17:41.66
Mike
Right.

00:17:41.98
Bill
um You know what? And that was a good... it's Well, I like Keep It Simple. I really do. And um I don't know. It's just the... It is the... This particular reading, and seriously, no pun intended, is extremely simple.

00:17:55.41
Bill
I mean, it talks about, you know, like the opening.

00:17:55.84
Mike
Right.

00:17:58.04
Bill
Do your best. Someone may like it, right? And I guess just beginning with that, um I don't know.

00:18:00.17
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:18:03.93
Bill
I mean... We always talk about not really giving a shit what people think about us. And we do the next right thing, you know, for ourselves because it's right for us, regardless of what anyone else is, you know, doing around us and that sort of thing.

00:18:08.66
Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

00:18:15.61
Bill
However, um it is nice, you know, when we do something, do our best or do something right or do whatever.

00:18:23.81
Mike
sir

00:18:23.90
Bill
And and people appreciate it. I mean, it's it is it's it it feels good, right?

00:18:25.77
Mike
Sure. Right. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, but ah but again, it's not what I'm looking for. that's you know That is a byproduct like we talk about all the time. it's it's Yeah, I'm doing the right thing because it's the right thing to do and I really don't give a shit. If if nobody recognizes it and appreciates it, I'm still going to fucking do it.

00:18:47.83
Bill
Right. And that's in the next two things I wrote down was selfish program and sober for ourselves, which that's kind of, it's literally what I was going to lead into is the fact that it is nice, but um yeah, i mean, just because, you know, if somebody says, I can't imagine, I'm I don't know. have Well, maybe that's ah that's a question that just kind of popped into my head. Maybe, i don't know if we talked about this.

00:19:09.12
Bill
Have you ever had, since you've been um sober, have you ever had anyone saying, I mean, I just, I can't believe, you know, you just, you're fucking annoying with the way you do all these nice things.

00:19:18.49
Mike
Mm.

00:19:19.14
Bill
Not maybe in those words, but when you're doing the right thing and people are like, just so fucking annoying.

00:19:19.57
Mike
Right.

00:19:24.11
Bill
Have you ever had that happen?

00:19:25.57
Mike
Um, yeah. yeah

00:19:29.88
Mike
um Right. And again, not words, but, um you know, attitudes and and and reactions. And um sure, absolutely. You know, ah ah yeah.

00:19:38.78
Bill
Yeah.

00:19:40.77
Mike
and And again, not those words, because if someone actually said those words out loud to me, of course, I would just laugh at them. And hopefully um they would hear the idiocy coming out of their mouths.

00:19:55.08
Mike
But yeah. Yeah, so, I mean, nobody's going actually come out and say those words in that way because it's just so ridiculous that, yeah. but But they definitely, yeah, there have been people in my life who, you know, I'm doing the next right thing and they're annoyed at it because it's not, you know, jibing with their bullshit way of doing things.

00:20:17.83
Bill
Right.

00:20:18.98
Mike
And, um yeah, it annoys them, which, of course, makes me incredibly happy. So...

00:20:27.04
Bill
So I, and I was, as you were talking about that, I just reminded me of something. This was in, in recent months and I'm going to give you the exact situation because it doesn't, well, you, I will, I'll tell you about that.

00:20:37.71
Bill
I'll see you next weekend, you know?

00:20:38.67
Mike
Sure.

00:20:39.60
Bill
um But it was funny. I was wearing this situation with an individual and, you know Just going through whatever the whatever the thing was. and I kind of came out of my mouth. I said, i said listen, I'm ridiculously simplistic.

00:20:52.58
Bill
you know this is This is who I am.

00:20:53.01
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:20:54.22
Bill
and this is I don't and don't need to and don't need a big production, whatever the deal is.

00:20:58.58
Mike
Right.

00:20:58.88
Bill
and um The person said, you know you're so simplistic, it's almost difficult.

00:21:05.17
Mike
Sure. Sure. Sure.

00:21:06.12
Bill
And I thought about it for a second. If for an instant, it irritated me. I mean, like a micro instant that I thought about.

00:21:11.57
Mike
sure

00:21:12.54
Bill
I just started laughing. I'm that's I said, that's the funniest thing and somebody's ever told me. I'm like, because I understand it. You know, um I don't I'm not and I don't mean just me.

00:21:22.45
Bill
I think you're the same way.

00:21:23.29
Mike
sure

00:21:24.05
Bill
Um, but there's just this simplicity of the way I live. I mean, I eat what I want to eat. I eat what I want to eat. I have this thing. I'm going to do this. I'm going to, this is what I'm going to do my readings. There are certain sobriety things, but it's pretty goddamn simple that, you know, like it during, during lunchtime, I get a half hour lunch.

00:21:36.12
Mike
all Right. sir

00:21:41.37
Bill
i mean I do everything and I get certain things set up and I sit down and all I want to do, I want to eat my sandwich. I look through Facebook. I buzz through Instagram. I go vape a little bit and go back to work.

00:21:50.63
Mike
Right.

00:21:50.77
Bill
But that's what I do. And I do it every day. And I don't want to be interrupted while I'm doing it. You know, I wouldn't want to be.

00:21:55.42
Mike
Right. Yeah.

00:21:56.95
Bill
I don't have the time to be interrupted um when I'm done working. I'm fucking hungry. I make dinner and, you know, I try to I try to organize things that, you know, this whatever the deal is.

00:22:02.70
Mike
yeah

00:22:07.24
Bill
um I suppose, though, the fact that I'm structured in. I don't know. i don't I don't have to worry every night and be like, oh, let's go. Let's do something weird for dinner. Let's go all whatever.

00:22:17.90
Bill
Let's get all creative.

00:22:18.48
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:22:19.03
Bill
of I like being creative, certain things, but I don't know.

00:22:21.12
Mike
Mm-hmm. Sure.

00:22:22.64
Bill
umm I'm thinking about the basics, you know sustenance and sleeping and

00:22:24.30
Mike
Yeah, right. Yeah, exactly. Right. You know, i've I've gotten that a few times. Yes. You know, you're not really all that spontaneous. It's like, no, I'm not.

00:22:34.99
Mike
You know, I was flying off the goddamn handle for most of my life. I kind of want to hang on to that handle today.

00:22:43.14
Bill
That's funny. That's almost like hanging on to the other shoe. That one episode, we had episode like nine or some stupid shit.

00:22:45.82
Mike
Yeah.

00:22:48.10
Mike
Right.

00:22:48.82
Bill
You want to hang on to that handle. um But yeah, I mean, there's, but then, then there's the other side of me when, like when, when I was in Arkansas and in that condo and I wanted to leave at one o'clock in the morning, I mean, had somebody been with me, um I think, well, I would have,

00:22:58.56
Mike
Right.

00:23:02.24
Bill
I would have put a very, very strong argument, you know, to leave at one o'clock in the morning. But um I also want to have that ability to be spontaneous, I guess.

00:23:06.26
Mike
Right.

00:23:11.51
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:23:11.70
Bill
if i If I want to be, that's, I don't know. It's, I'm, again, I'm maybe... Am I that simple? Am I that difficult? I don't even fucking know. I don't think I'm not hard to figure out.

00:23:22.61
Bill
I mean, all you got to do is be around me for a couple of days, even even half a day.

00:23:22.98
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

00:23:27.04
Bill
And I think somebody can figure me out. But I don't know.

00:23:28.99
Mike
Yeah.

00:23:29.31
Bill
That was a whole lot about nothing. But yeah, I'm so simplistic. I was almost difficult.

00:23:33.91
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:23:33.92
Bill
It made it made me laugh. Um, all right. So taking good care of ourselves. I know we've talked about that. Um, what is the, what's the best for my recovery? And I think it was, that was towards the end.

00:23:44.99
Bill
It was talking about, um, I don't know if that was people or circumstances. Do you recall something about what is the, you don't necessarily have to pull the reading, but.

00:23:51.55
Mike
take ourselves right. Take ourselves, yeah. We have, well, we have to care for ourselves to have good relationships.

00:24:02.01
Bill
Right.

00:24:02.07
Mike
ah do Yeah.

00:24:02.10
Bill
Right.

00:24:03.74
Mike
Yeah. I don't know. Do we believe it?

00:24:04.89
Bill
And just doing what I know part of it was what is doing, what is best for our recovery, which it is making choices. I know you were talking about if the job's weird, if going to a party's weird, whatever the, whatever the case is.

00:24:13.39
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

00:24:15.34
Bill
Um, yeah, I mean the bottom line, but you and I talk about that fuck all the time. That's, that's part of what you and I do anyhow, without even thinking is that we don't do something that might be bad, you know, for our, for our recovery.

00:24:18.41
Mike
Right. Right.

00:24:25.73
Bill
So, um,

00:24:25.89
Mike
Sure. Absolutely. But yeah, but, um you know, I mean, in the reading, it they kind of pointed out a couple of times, even it upsets other people. And I mean, clearly that's not, we're not trying to upset other people anymore. We did enough of that.

00:24:39.86
Mike
um But yeah, when it but it when it comes to this and when it comes to our sobriety, eh, fuck them, you know, I'm sorry you're upset that I'm not coming and hanging out with you because I'm, you know, it's just really making me uncomfortable.

00:24:46.87
Bill
right

00:24:54.79
Mike
um And again, you know, that that balance of, you know, okay, I'm uncomfortable. Is it really sobriety threatening or I'm just being a dick and don't want to go do something?

00:25:04.92
Mike
Yeah.

00:25:07.93
Mike
You know, which, you know, we can use, oh, it's it's threatening my sobriety. no it's not, asshole. You just don't want to go do it. ah You know, that's, yeah, it's, that again, the balance, the fine line of working things out and doing it, again, the right way.

00:25:14.95
Bill
right

00:25:22.98
Mike
But, yeah, you know, when it comes down to it, um yeah, if there's situations and certainly people that, you know, we're going to be around, they're going to, you know, make us actually twitch.

00:25:35.35
Mike
It's been a long time since we've twitched over that stuff. but

00:25:38.42
Bill
right

00:25:38.92
Mike
um But, yeah, if it's going to be, I don't give a fuck how upset you get. I'm not doing it because it truly is threatening my sobriety. Yeah.

00:25:49.26
Bill
Right.

00:25:49.81
Mike
Yeah. You know, again, there's not a hell of a lot that's going to do that to us anymore. oh But if it if it comes up, if it really truly is something that's going to fuck with us, we're not doing it.

00:26:03.48
Bill
Right.

00:26:03.72
Mike
Sorry, kids.

00:26:05.44
Bill
Yeah, there was, ah and I mean, this was, I mean, shit, still in Cleveland, and I think we were still living at the the three-quarter house. Whatever it was, Dawn and I were talking about, i was talking to Dawn on the phone about something.

00:26:12.35
Mike
Hmm.

00:26:16.60
Bill
ah We had to be, either we were then our first year or shortly after that.

00:26:19.49
Mike
Hmm. Hmm. sure

00:26:21.08
Bill
um And i don't know, whatever it was, I'm like, oh, but I've got to do this. And she's like, you know, as part of this, whatever. She's like, no, no, no, I get it. You know, it's part of your sobriety thing. And I remember, and I know we've talked about it, I think on here, but I remember having that thing pop in my head.

00:26:35.52
Bill
like, hey, yeah um all I had to do was mention this, my sobriety thing, and nobody questioned it, you know?

00:26:36.96
Mike
Right. Uh-huh.

00:26:44.32
Mike
Right.

00:26:45.18
Bill
And it was, it was that, it was that thing that I, I know to this day, I could say I could use, I could pull these sobriety card out any fucking day I wanted to.

00:26:50.21
Mike
yeah Sure. Right.

00:26:53.82
Bill
And unless somebody is a real dick or doesn't know me there, it's going to work.

00:26:57.76
Mike
Oh, course.

00:26:59.39
Bill
I know it will, but I haven't done that. And thankfully at that point, I was like, Ooh, that's a, I don't want to use that.

00:27:02.07
Mike
Mm-mm.

00:27:04.89
Mike
Right.

00:27:05.04
Bill
And this was, you know I was really fucking young. I mean, you know year, year into this goddamn thing, but it was, again, it was that first time like, huh?

00:27:06.97
Mike
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

00:27:11.78
Mike
Yeah, of course.

00:27:11.92
Bill
All like,

00:27:12.42
Mike
Yeah. First, i hey, yeah I could use this to my advantage.

00:27:13.91
Bill
Note, note to self.

00:27:16.35
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:27:16.59
Bill
Yeah. yeah Note to self.

00:27:18.65
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:27:21.76
Bill
But, um, yeah, you know, the thing of it is, and I can't, uh, I don't know. There was, what just popped into my head and shit. This was probably, um, I mean, Christ, it could even be fucking 10 years ago. Um, I was going down to Indiana for something.

00:27:33.56
Bill
Um, something was going on down, down there. And then Kathy had said there was a band. She wanted to see some group from that. She was into for, I didn't even know who the fuck it was. I know it was a band that I did not care about, but not surprising.

00:27:44.39
Mike
Sure.

00:27:45.89
Bill
Cause I mean, Kathy and I don't necessarily line up on our music all the time. Um, but, You know, she's like, hey, this band's playing. It's down in Chicago. Do you want to go? It's going to be at a bar, though.

00:27:55.40
Mike
Right.

00:27:55.61
Bill
And I said, let me think about it. Now, again, this is probably, you know, five years, six years sober, maybe.

00:28:00.34
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:28:00.87
Bill
And I said, you know what? um I said, I don't care about the band, but I'm like, you know that. I said, that's not the point. But I'm like, I don't I just don't I'm fine with you.

00:28:06.10
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:28:08.91
Bill
I know I'd be safe, but I'm like, I just don't I don't want to go, you know.

00:28:10.61
Mike
Sure. Yeah.

00:28:13.56
Bill
And today I'd be like, even if I didn't care about the band, like, oh, fuck it. Let's go hit, let's go hit fucking Chi-Tel.

00:28:19.44
Mike
Yeah.

00:28:19.74
Bill
Let's go, let's go light that motherfucker up.

00:28:22.00
Mike
Right.

00:28:22.91
Bill
You know, and I'm not going to drink while I'm there clearly.

00:28:24.47
Mike
No. Right.

00:28:25.55
Bill
um But in a fucking heartbeat, I would go to Chicago now and see some fucking random band, you know, for a little bit. Cause I think it'd be, I think it'd be fucking fun to, you know, just watch, watch a bunch of people be stupid for a little bit.

00:28:31.85
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

00:28:36.92
Bill
Then I'd get sick of it and want to leave, you know, which is what you do.

00:28:38.64
Mike
Right. Yeah, exactly.

00:28:43.30
Bill
So how was your show last weekend?

00:28:45.43
Mike
Oh, fucking fantastic.

00:28:45.54
Bill
I guess let me, well, I'm thinking about that. Okay.

00:28:47.95
Mike
Yeah. Yeah, no, it was, it was great.

00:28:48.94
Bill
Yeah.

00:28:50.26
Mike
Um, yeah, it's, you know, uh, Michael Monroe is just fucking amazing, man. You know, 62 years old and still doing goddamn splits on the stage.

00:28:59.54
Bill
Yeah.

00:28:59.58
Mike
Um, ah, ah, no, it's great. Voice sounded great. Band was killer. Um, yeah, I got right down front. Um, the i so There was two bands that opened.

00:29:10.97
Mike
um I caught, I think, like the last song and a half of the first band, Younger Guys. They were okay, from what I could tell.

00:29:16.55
Bill
Thank you.

00:29:18.44
Mike
um The band that was in the middle that I had to sit through was fucking awful. bunch of old guys. um you know A couple of them looked like they they were they needed to be out selling bass boats or something. I don't know.

00:29:31.60
Mike
um Real estate or used cars or anything. Yeah. And they just sucked bad, but um it was fine. um And, you know, ah the place wasn't fully packed.

00:29:44.20
Mike
um And when they finished, I walked right down front and stayed there till Michael Monroe came out. And so I was I mean, there was like a rail. So um I was like third person back.

00:29:59.85
Bill
Right.

00:30:00.31
Mike
Yeah, right right there in front of the guitar player that I really like and just off to the side of the center stage. So it was perfect. um I took some really cool videos, got some good pictures.

00:30:13.18
Mike
Just a great fucking show.

00:30:15.12
Bill
Yeah, and I saw the i saw the pictures and stuff in the videos, and i you made a point of saying that none of these were zoomed in, which, I mean, obviously you can see that.

00:30:21.13
Mike
Yep.

00:30:23.09
Bill
So um that remind just reminded me that when when you said walked up like that, we did that at Lita Ford.

00:30:28.74
Mike
Yeah.

00:30:29.25
Bill
um And while you did, I walked in india i walked behind you.

00:30:31.34
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:30:32.51
Bill
and like wait I'm like, okay, I guess we're going there. But same proximity, maybe, because we're really we're really goddamn close.

00:30:37.40
Mike
Yeah. yeah Yeah.

00:30:40.33
Bill
I mean, you could see her fucking sweating.

00:30:42.94
Mike
Yeah. Right.

00:30:44.83
Bill
But yeah, that was what that was great too. that was kind of I mean, that was a whole different kind of a whole different setup. But yeah, when you mentioned that, was just kind of curious if if you were that close.

00:30:49.87
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:30:52.75
Bill
Well, that's good though.

00:30:53.98
Mike
Yep.

00:30:54.03
Bill
And you was it the red roof you stayed at, wasn't it?

00:30:56.58
Mike
but It did. The fabulous Red Roof Inn. Yeah. yeah and It was, you know, it was a bed at night.

00:31:03.46
Bill
Right.

00:31:04.19
Mike
Yep.

00:31:04.93
Bill
Right.

00:31:05.71
Mike
I did.

00:31:05.86
Bill
Yeah. I thought you had said the the red roof and I almost completely forgot the fucking time just flies and just, it clicked into my head when we were talking about this. I'm like, Oh yeah, God damn it. You went to that show last weekend. So, well, that's cool.

00:31:14.75
Mike
I did.

00:31:16.47
Bill
I'm glad, I'm glad you had a good time. And yeah, glad we got the able to record on Thursday night. Then yeah, I got up at, I, I got up at like one in the morning last, last Saturday. And I was literally, I was gone by, you know, was pulling out of the the driveway there, you know, fucking four in the morning.

00:31:30.52
Bill
Um, Which again is fine. You know, I took my time, you know, getting down here and I literally got down here a few minutes after three. And, um you know, the the guy that because this is the and i know, you know, this, but, you know, for everyone else, I stayed here last summer.

00:31:44.09
Bill
And the the driveway was the challenging driveway, kind of pothole-ish. And he was telling me, he sent me a message couple of days prior. And he's like, he goes, it's gotten kind of bad, you know, with the but the rain. And he said, do you you know you still have all-wheel drive? Yeah, it's a different car, but it's fine.

00:31:58.13
Bill
And he said, just stay on the right-hand side. I'm like, I just want, I'm like... Is it worse to him? I'm like, i'm not going to like bottom him out. And he's like, no, no, no. He gives it to stay to the right hand side. He goes, then next week, meaning this week, he goes, I'm going to have a greater come in and, you know, kind of fix it. So the guy came on, it rained all day fucking Sunday.

00:32:16.13
Bill
Well, Saturday night, all day Sunday. And I mean, like really hard rain and that steady rate the entire fucking day.

00:32:21.76
Mike
right.

00:32:22.20
Bill
And then, um, half the day on Monday, I think. And then, um, they came on Wednesday and nice job when I, when I went down, cause it rained again today when I went to get my pizza again, had to drive to fucking Georgia to get my pizza, which is fine.

00:32:34.48
Mike
Right. Right.

00:32:36.02
Bill
It's, it's 25 minutes away, but it's an, it's an hour round trip, but it is what it is.

00:32:37.68
Mike
Right. um

00:32:40.03
Bill
Um, But yeah, coming back up, I think my my back wheels spun a little bit coming up. So it's just probably got to pack itself down a little bit. But oh, it's ah it's like a fucking dream coming up that driveway now compared to compared to what it was.

00:32:52.25
Bill
But so here's the other funny part. so i'm So I'm standing out here and I think I told you at night, it's just it's fucking dead quiet. I mean, um there's a lot of pine trees in the area, so it's still kind of covered.

00:32:59.41
Mike
right

00:33:03.21
Bill
But I mean, obviously, not all the leaves are on the trees yet. um But you can still see the road cars coming by at night, but it's really quiet. And I mean, it was like dead quiet last summer. And i was out here, was it probably Monday night, I think.

00:33:16.25
Bill
Then again, after it rained for like a day and a half, and it almost sounded like a faucet was on, right?

00:33:21.63
Mike
Hmm.

00:33:22.30
Bill
And I'm like, what the fuck, man? Because again, it was, there was like no sound out here last time. And I'm looking, I'm like, is there, it sounds like a river, but I'm like, there's no goddamn river around here. Well, looked in there is there's ah it's, it's across the street and it, it winds down, you know, so that's what it is.

00:33:33.91
Mike
Aha.

00:33:38.26
Bill
All the rain. You could hear the river rushing, which I couldn't hear fucking shit when I was here last summer.

00:33:40.38
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:33:43.36
Bill
Um, so I mean, I'll talk about the hiking places. I want to go in a little bit. Cause I gotta, I want to tell you about my fall also, but, um,

00:33:49.22
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:33:50.68
Bill
Yeah, that was ah that was a trip. But um but yeah, I mean, the the fucking rain was crazy. But I got rained out on Sunday, but went to a nice little restaurant. And, um you know, I had a nice nice big old fucking hamburger and shit.

00:33:57.84
Mike
Right.

00:34:01.22
Bill
And it wasn't expensive, you know, but it was good. It's nice little hometown restaurant. But you want to talk about, first of all, um Sunday was one year of my traveling. I know I posted it on Instagram and stuff like that.

00:34:11.41
Mike
Mm

00:34:12.65
Bill
And I get fucking rained out. Yeah.

00:34:14.81
Mike
hmm.

00:34:15.77
Bill
Which was funny, you know, but it kind of is what it is.

00:34:17.46
Mike
Yeah.

00:34:18.71
Bill
But I know, wait yeah but here's the other funny part is like when I'm at Kathy's, I seem to feel somehow I'm occupied on Saturday and Sundays where I don't feel like I got to go do something or there's sometimes I got to run to the store, do whatever.

00:34:18.98
Mike
Powerless.

00:34:32.51
Bill
But I get, I get everything done on Saturday. So I have nothing to do on Sunday and I'm sitting here.

00:34:36.17
Mike
Right.

00:34:37.04
Bill
i'm like, what the fuck do I do?

00:34:39.86
Mike
Mm hmm.

00:34:40.25
Bill
So, I mean, I just did, I did some work. I did some work. I finished up an article on the website, did this and that and the other thing. um And I ended up filling time, you know, things I wanted to kind of catch up on, just kind of really really podcast stuff.

00:34:51.24
Bill
Well, yeah, I did. I worked on the scripts and stuff like that that we just did.

00:34:53.30
Mike
this is

00:34:54.40
Bill
um So I was productive, but it just, it's been a long time since I've been someplace and not been able to go someplace. You know, it's weird.

00:35:01.02
Mike
Right.

00:35:02.61
Bill
Oh, real real quick.

00:35:02.67
Mike
Yeah.

00:35:04.11
Bill
I just want to plug my book real quick. I was able to do my book in an audio book. You saw the post about that?

00:35:09.28
Mike
I did see that.

00:35:10.58
Bill
So here's how that came up and it's really fucking weird. Okay. Um, I get this, i get this email from Amazon. That's one of the places it is. And it's like, oh you're eligible to, you know, have your book be an audio book. I'm like, the fuck do I get it? Now I got to read all this candy and shit. Um,

00:35:27.23
Bill
But so you go on there and they're like, oh yeah, you know, hear this, check this out, plug into here. And I, I'm like, well, I guess I'm at least going to listen to it um or listen to figure out what I got to do. And, you know, sure shit, you go in there and it's, and it's AI generated. Maybe I did that, that, that I did on Sunday too, come to think of it.

00:35:41.19
Mike
Right.

00:35:41.55
Bill
um And you just pick a voice. You can go, you know, like a European voice, men, women, um different areas of the country, all this different stuff. So I found a voice that sort of, it's not me, but I mean, it's like, eh, okay.

00:35:53.83
Mike
You should have gotten Morgan Freeman to do it.

00:35:54.57
Bill
Kind of

00:35:56.89
Bill
That would have been fucking awesome.

00:35:57.81
Mike
AI Morgan Freeman.

00:35:59.47
Bill
That would have been great.

00:36:00.25
Mike
I am a hobo.

00:36:00.32
Bill
I don't know how...

00:36:02.98
Bill
But I don't know how many goddamn voices there were, but I picked one and I did it. And then, you know, you do these different things. Like the opening, though, was kind of funny. It's like, you know, it's like modern day hobo living the...

00:36:15.74
Bill
But it's like, so when it says Airbnb, it said Airbnb. And I'm like...

00:36:19.89
Mike
Right.

00:36:21.01
Bill
Like, well, how the fuck do I fix that? So you can isolate a word and separate it. So I separated the BNB or BNB.

00:36:27.33
Mike
the

00:36:28.44
Bill
So it read it. And then my, however, it said my name. So I just, I phonetically spelled it.

00:36:32.17
Mike
but

00:36:34.06
Bill
So it says my name, right? It says Lindela. I've just, I'd put L-I-N-D-A-Y-L-A.

00:36:38.78
Mike
right

00:36:39.47
Bill
So it says Lindela. I'm like, oh, this is fucking cool. So I just hit different parts. So part of it says, ah you know, oh, I stayed at an Airbnb and then it'll say Airbnb. But i like I put in the little promo, I'm like, it's fucking AI.

00:36:50.69
Bill
It's not perfect.

00:36:51.16
Mike
Sure.

00:36:51.25
Bill
But um Amazon put in like it's on special for like $1.99. So anyhow, if anyone wants, it's Amazon or Audible.

00:36:56.20
Mike
Well, there you go.

00:36:59.45
Bill
It's available right now. I didn't price it at $1.99.

00:37:04.31
Bill
Amazon did. But whatever, they do that sometimes on these initial things. But it's um just look up modern day hobo. It's it's under my name, Lindela. First name is Bill. Click through our website, do the whole thing.

00:37:16.42
Bill
But yeah, it's a it's an audio book now, which is kind of cool. And it's not going to be perfect. But, you know, fucking for two bucks, you could drop two dollars on the ground for God's sakes. Go buy one of these fucking books and, you know, tell somebody about it, I guess so.

00:37:27.50
Mike
Yeah, right. Waste some time.

00:37:31.97
Bill
it's ah It's a one-hour listen also.

00:37:34.23
Mike
nice.

00:37:34.25
Bill
That's all that it is.

00:37:35.23
Mike
Right.

00:37:35.27
Bill
Fucking one-hour listen. All right. So a brief little bit of sobriety here, and then we can that we could take a break. I thought this was really fucking interesting. So last weekend, um I was mentioning that the the radio station, the Morning Show listened to, is doing their Radiothon.

00:37:49.58
Mike
right

00:37:49.86
Bill
And it's the, when I, and I said it kind of just breeze by what, what the Mac fund was, but it's, it's the Milwaukee. It used to be Milwaukee area um childhood cancer or but no Milwaukee athletes against childhood cancer, but now they changed to the Midwest.

00:38:02.35
Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

00:38:07.61
Bill
So Mac fund stands for Midwest athletes um against childhood cancer. Okay. So it's M A C C. So that's who they do their, all their charity funds or foundation work with blah, blah, blah.

00:38:19.40
Bill
And um during the Radiothon, they always have different guests, obviously, you know, different players. They'll have somebody from the Packers, Santana Dotson, who always does sports with them, all these other people. but they ah And I'm sure you know who Robin Yount is, right?

00:38:31.86
Mike
um No, I don't think I do.

00:38:34.17
Bill
Oh, really? Okay. So maybe he is just a Milwaukee thing. So Robin Yount was a shortstop. And then ah later in his career, I think center fielder with the Brewers. um And he was one of those ones that I think he started and ended his career with the Brewers.

00:38:48.62
Bill
um Hell of a player, did a lot for the community. um Fan favorite, if you want to call him that. But I mean, really, really ah big into the community.

00:38:53.75
Mike
right.

00:38:57.19
Bill
Him and you were really good friends and all that sort of stuff. And um so, I mean, he's huge and in Wisconsin and of course in Milwaukee and stuff like that, but been retired for fucking years.

00:39:08.17
Bill
I mean, he played again, 83 Brewers, I think was the biggest team, you know, that timeframe back with Paul Molitor.

00:39:12.93
Mike
Okay.

00:39:14.36
Bill
I'm sure you've heard of Paul Molitor.

00:39:15.88
Mike
Yeah, it sounds a little familiar.

00:39:17.97
Bill
Yeah, he went around the different teams, but anyhow, um Raleigh fingers, another one.

00:39:22.10
Mike
Yeah, I know that one.

00:39:23.25
Bill
Yeah, so Raleigh played on there. It was the same team at that time. But anyhow, so they talk to Robin every year, and it's always a great conversation because they talk about all this nonsense. One year, Robin's talking about empty all the emptying the shitter out of his ra RV, and then the thing stuck, and it sprayed, you know obviously, feces all over him.

00:39:36.12
Mike
Mmm.

00:39:39.88
Bill
So he tells all these stories and stuff like this, and he's talking about – this time he's talking about they they caught him in Hawaii's at his timeshare with his wife.

00:39:47.94
Mike
Right?

00:39:48.06
Bill
um, with his, uh, in Hawaii. So they're talking back and forth about that. He's talking about, he's afraid he's going to sign up for another week of a timeshare, just random shit. And then they're like, they're like, okay, so Robin, you know, speaking of being afraid, they're like, who was the pitcher that you were most afraid of, um, facing?

00:40:05.13
Mike
Right?

00:40:05.19
Bill
And he's like, he's like, you want me to pick one? He goes, I was scared to death of all of them. Yeah. which I thought was funny. And then they're going through one of the morning show hosts is going through this list of all the, the players that he got or the pictures that he got hits off of.

00:40:19.65
Bill
And he's like, he goes, okay, I'll pick one. He goes, how did you feel about, let's see, he goes, Dennis Eckersley.

00:40:25.17
Mike
Ah.

00:40:26.05
Bill
And I'm like, motherfucker. I'm like, I know that guy.

00:40:28.67
Mike
he i know that, dude.

00:40:30.92
Bill
like I don't really know him, but, um, and then they got on this whole Nolan Ryan stuff.

00:40:34.17
Mike
Right?

00:40:36.50
Bill
So he told stories about Nolan Ryan, but, um, which again was funny as fuck is apparently Nolan Ryan is a kind of just a quiet dickhead is what he was or is.

00:40:43.79
Mike
Right?

00:40:44.94
Bill
But, uh, yeah. So the, the, the Milwaukee morning show brought up fucking Dennis Eckersley. I've never heard his name uttered anywhere except for in Cleveland.

00:40:53.60
Mike
Hmm. Sure.

00:40:55.24
Bill
I didn't know. I didn't know who he was, you know, before the Keating center.

00:40:57.17
Mike
Right. Yeah. Well, really?

00:40:59.55
Bill
No.

00:41:00.06
Mike
i mean, you know, yeah. And he played for the A's for a long time too. And yeah, I mean, he was the Hall of Famer.

00:41:06.63
Bill
Yeah. Well, same thing. Robin down hall of Famer. But yeah, and that kind of surprised me.

00:41:08.84
Mike
Okay. Right.

00:41:10.50
Bill
You're more of a, far more of a baseball guy than I am.

00:41:12.84
Mike
Right.

00:41:13.37
Bill
um And I just thought possibly, but I mean, I get it. There's no reason why you would know who Robin down was or a Milwaukee guy. um You know, whereas same, same thing with Eckersley. I just, I was never really a baseball guy, so I never heard of him, but I just thought that was really fucking amazing.

00:41:24.03
Mike
Right.

00:41:26.41
Bill
And then they jumped off him so quick. I'm like, God damn Talk about, talk about the drunk more.

00:41:28.87
Mike
Right. yeah Right.

00:41:31.59
Bill
Come on the drunk guy.

00:41:35.80
Bill
But yeah it was just fucking random. But yeah, it's just too bad that. So do you and I think maybe you mentioned it to me because for anyone doesn't know, Dennis Eckersley was one of the founders considered right of the Keating Center.

00:41:47.54
Mike
Yes. Well, Ed Keating was his agent.

00:41:51.23
Bill
That's it. I keep forgetting that part. OK.

00:41:53.00
Mike
Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. And he got sober when he was here, when he was his agent. And yeah, so they ill they formed the Keating Center with Jack.

00:42:03.25
Bill
Right. Yeah. So but Dennis Eckersley, you know, baseball player from years ago, got sober and, you know, helped ah open up the Keating Center and blah, blah, blah.

00:42:11.61
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:42:11.67
Bill
And then that's why, again, it's so fucking random. So if anyone doesn't know why that name popped up, and I guess I'm sitting there talking about this dude.

00:42:16.91
Mike
Right.

00:42:17.83
Bill
People are going, well, OK, what does it fucking matter who Dennis Eckersley is? But yeah, so he was part of the Keating Center.

00:42:21.03
Mike
right

00:42:23.41
Bill
But. So the golf outing used to be sponsored by him, right? Or had his had his name on it, if I remember correctly.

00:42:28.55
Mike
Yeah. Yeah, it did. Yes.

00:42:32.25
Bill
But it's been, what, four years, five years, I think?

00:42:34.39
Mike
Yeah, something like that. Yeah. Four. Yeah. Since he hasn't been doing it. Yeah. I mean, you know, i I met him a few times, you know, because he'd come and do the golf outing here in Cleveland.

00:42:41.86
Bill
Right. Right.

00:42:47.17
Bill
Right.

00:42:47.82
Mike
Yeah.

00:42:49.02
Bill
Yeah, and I just, ah do you remember, i mean, I suppose it doesn't really matter why he why he bowed out, but he again, he just yeah is is no longer part of the the golf outing or whatever it is.

00:42:56.19
Mike
Well, he um yeah, and I, well, he's also, ah he does the color for the Red Sox in Boston.

00:42:57.57
Bill
Oh,

00:43:04.11
Bill
oh shit.

00:43:04.50
Mike
He's a TV guy.

00:43:04.81
Bill
Okay. okay Right.

00:43:06.08
Mike
So I think that's probably part of it. He's, you know, working. So he couldn't come and, yeah, do the thing. Yep.

00:43:12.54
Bill
Interesting. Yeah, I don't know. I was i couldn't remember what what the deal was, but you know anyhow, it was just was fucking random. you know and i'm just Like I said, I'm like, I know like you said i do that dude.

00:43:20.73
Mike
Yes.

00:43:24.07
Mike
I know that, dude.

00:43:27.71
Bill
All right. Well, speaking of dudes, what do you think about these dudes taking a little break?

00:43:31.90
Mike
Hell yes, please. So we'll be right back with more random baseball talk and some other nonsense right after these words from our sponsors.

00:43:48.89
Bill
All right, everyone. Welcome back.

00:43:52.14
Mike
Hi.

00:43:52.21
Bill
Yeah.

00:43:53.71
Mike
who

00:43:57.01
Bill
ah Thank you. I don't have to think of anything snappy to say.

00:43:59.32
Mike
yeah

00:43:59.33
Bill
It just made me fucking laugh coming back into this. Um, okay. So you, do you want to talk about, um, dating apps, um, my fall or go into something with, uh,

00:44:12.96
Bill
Actually, you know, I got a rock and roll question for you too.

00:44:15.27
Mike
da

00:44:15.38
Bill
So dating apps, my fall or my rock and roll question for you.

00:44:19.88
Mike
Well, let's start with your fall because I'm just dying to hear about this.

00:44:25.82
Bill
All right. So um I guess i need to preface this with... ah

00:44:30.62
Mike
Clearly you got back up, so we've we've got that taken care of.

00:44:32.65
Bill
I did. I did. i lived. um But I have not changed my sobriety date. I was not drunk when I did this.

00:44:41.91
Mike
It's good.

00:44:43.43
Bill
But um it it was considering that today is is one week until my anniversary. ah happened and happened on Wednesday about 6.03 in the morning

00:44:49.26
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:44:53.32
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:44:53.91
Bill
It was right after I got up. um So, um you know, at that point, I was a week and, you know, two days away from being 15 years sober. And this is what happened to me.

00:45:02.92
Mike
Aha.

00:45:03.77
Bill
So I come out. um I flip my coffee on, which I do, you know, every morning, regardless of where I'm at.

00:45:08.78
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:45:08.87
Bill
and And it's not as though um I've never been here before. I spent three weeks here last summer.

00:45:14.01
Mike
Right.

00:45:14.11
Bill
um I've been here for, you know, obviously a handful of days. I know where everything is. If anything's moved, I've moved it.

00:45:19.37
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

00:45:21.22
Bill
um But I walked into the kitchen in this, this area here. It's one room, it's kitchen living room, but he's got a high top table that at the edge of the kitchen, right next to a carpeting in the living room, quote unquote.

00:45:26.93
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:45:33.87
Bill
um So a high top table that kind of separates it, you know. And then right on the other side in front of the, it's a, it's a futon. There's a coffee table and it's a, it's a pretty solid coffee table. It's not a movable, you know, kind of like a light sliding one. It's a good solid coffee table.

00:45:47.69
Bill
Um, and when I go from the bedroom out to the kitchen, I was walking around the one side of the hard high top table in the kitchen, flip my coffee pot on, walk back the same way, go to the bathroom, you know, and in whatever.

00:46:01.92
Bill
So I think, actually, I know what I did. I hit i had piss so fucking bad. I went and went to the bathroom first, came out of the bathroom, flip my coffee pot on. I don't know why I did it, but again, lights are still off, right?

00:46:12.73
Mike
Right?

00:46:13.26
Bill
A couple of little nightlights out here in the kitchen. So there's a glow. It's not completely fucking dark, but I came around the other way, okay?

00:46:18.58
Mike
Sure.

00:46:21.81
Mike
Okay.

00:46:22.42
Bill
by the coffee table. And the coffee table is surprisingly the same color as the carpet at night. And whatever, again, half asleep, wasn't paying attention. I don't know why i went that way.

00:46:36.52
Bill
um Into the cap coffee table i with my left leg. So not on my shin, but a little bit to the left of my shin, like the outside of my left leg.

00:46:43.62
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:46:44.76
Bill
um However I hid it, it wasn't, because I lined it up backwards. I'm like, how the fuck did I do what I did? I think what I did was I, I, again, walking probably at, at a little bit of a clip, cause I don't, you know, meander.

00:46:56.42
Bill
Um, and I think as I, I, as I came off my feet, my, my leg with the force hit the table and scraped up cause I did scrape my leg. Um, and then ended up on the fucking floor.

00:47:07.48
Bill
And hit my elbow on the way down. There's like a soft, like easy chair that I moved to a different area. So I get my work stuff in here. um And I, I must've hit that. Cause my elbow scraped. They didn't scrape on the floor. I think I scraped it on there coming down. Cause I got a rug burn on my elbow, right, right elbow.

00:47:23.82
Bill
And then I'm sitting there laying on the ground, of course, in my fucking underwear, you know, because nobody's fucking here. Why would I be walking around my underwear?

00:47:31.19
Mike
sure

00:47:31.22
Bill
What do I care? You know? Um, and I'm laying there, just put my hands on my head and I'm like, fuck me. And I'm laying there for a second. I'm like trying to figure out my leg hurts. My arm hurts. Those two things I figured out right away.

00:47:44.14
Bill
But seriously, I'm just like, what else did I potentially do? Cause it happened so quick before I knew it.

00:47:48.40
Mike
All

00:47:49.93
Bill
I'm on the fucking floor, you know? And then I split second thought. I'm like, this better not fuck up my hiking this weekend.

00:47:58.08
Mike
right.

00:47:58.93
Bill
Swear to God. That was like, that was my second thought. So I get up and I'm like, oh man, that's that, that leg. That's going to, that's going leave a mark. And it did. It's fucked up. It's, it's fucked up and it's, it's not going to be better by, by next week. And you'll be able to see how badly it's fucked up.

00:48:12.29
Mike
yeah right

00:48:12.96
Bill
Um, and it's, I mean, to, to the point where it's even my, uh, you know, like my lower part of my, my calf muscle is a little swollen up. So that's above it. But then, um, all the way down my ankle and in my foot, I couldn't fit on my, my black Converse when I went to get pizza.

00:48:27.84
Mike
All

00:48:28.29
Bill
I couldn't fit my shoe on. So I grabbed the shoes I wear for hiking because they're they're untied, my Converse or not.

00:48:35.32
Mike
right.

00:48:35.50
Bill
um you know So i open those up, put them on. I'm like, man, I'm going to have to loosen these up if i if I do any hiking you know tomorrow and Sunday, which I, just so you know, I'm not not just sitting around.

00:48:46.25
Mike
All right.

00:48:47.11
Bill
I am going, but I'll explain that in a minute. Um, but then all said and done, I'm like, man, this is going to fucking hurt. And it does. I went up Wednesday and bought a couple of ACE bandages. So I'm wrapping it at night to try to keep the swelling down, put nice on it through a couple of first couple of days, keep an ice on it during the day.

00:48:58.57
Mike
Right.

00:49:01.80
Bill
Then while I'm watching leg kicked up the whole bit. And I looked it up. I'm like, I'm doing everything I should, like ice wrap, blah, blah, blah, you know, heat.

00:49:08.88
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:49:09.22
Bill
If you had it. um And I mean, nothing I can walk on it. It's just, it's painful because the skin's so goddamn tight because it's swollen.

00:49:15.69
Mike
see

00:49:16.00
Bill
But my ankle's fine. It didn't, it's, it's not, there's nothing else wrong. It's movable. and didn't break anything. You know, I know for a fucking fact that didn't break anything.

00:49:21.55
Mike
right

00:49:23.87
Bill
It's just bruised fucking badly. And I mean, bad.

00:49:26.30
Mike
ah

00:49:27.68
Bill
ah Here's the good thing. and i you know And I fuck around about this every once in a while, but I do. I've always had a ah fairly decent tolerance for pain. I don't know why.

00:49:38.09
Bill
um you know i can i just fucking like colds and and whatever. And I've had bad shit happen to me. And I'm just like, fuck this, man. um Probably when I was drinking, I had a bigger tolerance because I just numbed it out.

00:49:49.32
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:49:49.44
Bill
But you know being sober and in pain...

00:49:52.24
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:49:52.89
Bill
It's a different story.

00:49:54.17
Mike
It is.

00:49:54.21
Bill
um But anyhow, so it just is what it is. But then um I'm looking at, as I walked out here, I don't know, it might've been that day or the next day that I was kind of looking at where my work stuff is and where this coffee table is and where I fell and how tall I am.

00:50:07.20
Bill
um Had I been even mildly more coordinated than I am, And been able to hold my balance a little bit more. um This could have been fucking tragic.

00:50:17.82
Bill
Okay.

00:50:17.95
Mike
Right.

00:50:18.69
Bill
Because, well, you've seen my computer desk. So my computer desk is in front of this.

00:50:21.15
Mike
Yeah.

00:50:22.87
Bill
um He's got a regular desk there, but I use my computer desk and I push it up against the other one at my monitors on the desk that he has. um But still, I mean, my computer desk, it's not a solid thing, but it's got fucking corners on it. Right.

00:50:35.72
Bill
And easily where I where I fell had it been, know, I'm six one and I think it's probably maybe seven feet, you know, between that area. And I fell right in the middle of it.

00:50:47.18
Bill
um And then, you know what? Here's the this is kind of the funny part. But I'm like, next thing I thought about is I thought about that part. i'm like, God damn. I said, had I done that and sat here and like fucking bled out on the floor?

00:50:58.34
Bill
I'm like, I didn't even make my bed yet.

00:51:03.42
Bill
So I'm like, my bed wasn't even made yet. like, fuck, I'm dead.

00:51:06.89
Mike
Yep.

00:51:07.45
Bill
Bleeding all over the guy's floor. Fucked up the Airbnb and I didn't even make my goddamn bed. What the fuck's wrong with me, man?

00:51:12.63
Mike
Right. Well, I mean, you know, that would be an excuse for not making your bed that day.

00:51:13.00
Bill
Yeah.

00:51:17.27
Mike
You died. Yeah.

00:51:22.12
Bill
Bill. Oh, I'm sorry. He can't answer me, but I think I see why he didn't make his bed. Um, he died right there, right.

00:51:27.43
Mike
Great.

00:51:28.39
Bill
Fucking there. But, um, yeah, it was just, uh, again, I have no fucking idea. And like I said, I was here for three weeks. Okay. So every morning for three weeks, um, I don't know why I went around the other way. i have no fucking idea why, um there was nothing, no reason for me to walk around the other way.

00:51:43.91
Bill
Um, I can't think of anything in my head. Like, Ooh, I got to walk over here to get something.

00:51:47.45
Mike
Great.

00:51:47.58
Bill
Um, But the only thing now that I think about it, I'm like, i I think I had a piss. so I just went in and took a piss first.

00:51:52.66
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:51:53.08
Bill
So I was walking back around to going the bedroom because the door to the bathroom is to the right, door to the bedroom is to the left, but they're right fucking next to each other. So, you know, I don't even know what, whatever my stupid brain was thinking, but, um,

00:52:01.77
Mike
Yeah. yeah Sounds like self-will. We're on riot. You weren't doing what you've done every other time and see where it gets you.

00:52:11.06
Bill
I know. Yeah.

00:52:11.56
Mike
Changing up the routine, man.

00:52:11.70
Bill
In it.

00:52:12.80
Mike
Not doing the same thing like over and over again. and yep.

00:52:16.46
Bill
Right.

00:52:16.98
Mike
Yep.

00:52:17.01
Bill
Well, and here's a...

00:52:17.95
Mike
End up dead on the floor.

00:52:20.58
Bill
here I'm glad I could laugh about that. You're right, yeah. Look at this motherfucker. Stepped out of his routine. See?

00:52:26.72
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:52:27.38
Bill
See?

00:52:27.38
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:52:28.41
Bill
see

00:52:28.51
Mike
Yep.

00:52:29.06
Bill
Driving down to North Carolina, standing over my dead body. Look at you, motherfucker.

00:52:32.32
Mike
Yep.

00:52:32.45
Bill
See?

00:52:32.68
Mike
See? Tried to do something different. Tried to do it your way, didn't you? See what happened?

00:52:38.72
Bill
Let's see here. Here's the funny part with two things. When we talk about um things, things being our fault, right? You know we talked about walking down the street and somebody popping you in the fucking nuts, you know, and you know, it's still what part did you play?

00:52:45.75
Mike
Right. Yep.

00:52:50.54
Bill
Well, I know a part I played in that. I just walked the wrong way. You know, this one, I get it. Um, and I wasn't mad at anything.

00:52:54.32
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:52:56.25
Bill
I'm just like, I'm all said and done. Seriously. I was fucking grateful that, that literally I didn't, you know, keep my balance for another, you know, 12 inches. And so I would have fucking cracked my head.

00:53:04.05
Mike
Yeah.

00:53:05.87
Bill
Seriously. I would have busted my head open, um, or landed right in my face into the, into the table.

00:53:07.50
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:53:10.62
Bill
One of the two, they wouldn't have been pretty. Let's put it that way.

00:53:12.85
Mike
Right.

00:53:13.70
Bill
Um, but yeah, you know, going outside, um, even though I didn't do it consciously, um I went outside my fucking routine.

00:53:19.87
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:53:23.19
Bill
What are you going to learn, goddammit? Was it better out there? Was it better?

00:53:29.73
Bill
was it wasn't. No, it wasn't. You know what to do. Walk around the right side, not the left side.

00:53:35.76
Mike
That's right.

00:53:39.24
Bill
ah Welcome back to early days in Alcoholics Anonymous.

00:53:43.78
Mike
All

00:53:45.85
Bill
But yeah, I'm telling you, it's, ah and I'm a kid, man. My leg is is fucked up. It's just like really fucked up. But um so anyhow, so back to the, back to the hiking.

00:53:50.74
Mike
all right.

00:53:53.64
Bill
I am, ah there's no fucking way I'm going to miss um going to where I wanted to go. But um The place that I wanted to go to begin with is called Tallulah Falls Gorge.

00:54:03.94
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:54:03.95
Bill
And to begin with, when I first started looking this up, that's why I came back to this area. it It's an hour and 20 minutes or something to get down there. But I'm like, I'll stay with someplace where I'm familiar. It's, you know, I know the place is good and blah, blah, blah.

00:54:17.37
Bill
Okay.

00:54:17.98
Mike
Yeah, all right. good did Go ahead.

00:54:18.61
Bill
Yep. I know.

00:54:19.70
Mike
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:54:19.94
Bill
I know.

00:54:20.46
Mike
All right.

00:54:20.47
Bill
I, I, you know, the irony, it's not lost on me.

00:54:23.87
Mike
That's good.

00:54:23.95
Bill
It's not, it's not fucking lost on me. Um, but the, when I started looking into this place, they've got this, this trail and it goes around the, the outer, uh, the outer rim of this gorge.

00:54:35.20
Bill
Um,

00:54:35.37
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:54:36.39
Bill
cause it's like on one end. So it's around this side and around the other side, but also you can go down the steps ah across the suspension bridge and down into the floor where, when I was in West Virginia, that new river gorge, I'm sure at some point, I think you could have gotten down there.

00:54:51.01
Bill
I didn't go down any of those, the trails to get all the way down to the floor. I was in like a trail way down the river at one, um but different stories.

00:54:54.84
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:54:59.02
Bill
So this one I'm looking into it and they're like, they're like, man, this is a tough one, you know, down here and back up. And, You know, people, if if you're not you know healthy and whatever, and again, I go back to, them am I healthy?

00:55:08.06
Mike
Aha.

00:55:08.82
Bill
Am I whatever? But I'm like, you know what? um I'm like, I'm going to go. They get permits for doing this stuff. It's like 100 permits a day or something like that. um And once that fills up, then you can't you can't go down.

00:55:20.66
Bill
And if you go down there without a permit, you're going to be fined. Like this huge fucking fine.

00:55:24.44
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:55:24.96
Bill
They get rangers and shit down there. And I'm sure they do it because of, you know, just sheer numbers of people, you know, down in a relatively small area.

00:55:29.73
Mike
Sure. Right. Right.

00:55:31.68
Bill
But then the other part I thought about, I'm like, eh, they're probably figuring percentage-wise out of 100 people per day, there's going to be at least five that are dumb. um How many people can we afford to flight or can we comfortably flight for life out of here?

00:55:39.72
Mike
Right.

00:55:44.22
Bill
You know, if we if we have to, five.

00:55:44.59
Mike
right

00:55:48.22
Bill
So we're like, oh, do the math. Yeah, we can we can give 100 permits because five people are going to be dumb. um But I was going to do it. you know ah Certainly, be i i wouldn't do it now even even if I could, but not with this leg.

00:55:58.40
Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

00:55:59.52
Bill
But they also do, and I read about this, but I didn't think it was supposed to be until um the last, until next weekend, whatever it was. I didn't think it was supposed to be until like next weekend of the weekend after, whatever.

00:56:12.66
Bill
They do these aesthetic water releases in this gorge. So i'm reading about all this stuff and they do, they do these, um, I think they call them aesthetic ones. And then there's one these major ones with just big dumps of water that come through.

00:56:24.94
Bill
Um, but they do it at this time of year. And, um, basically I just, when I popped on the website right before I got down here, they're like, oh yeah, no permits from, I think it's from like April 5th through, i don't know, the 27th or some stupid shit, or maybe it's the 19th, the entire time I'm going to be here.

00:56:39.74
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:56:41.97
Bill
I'm like, well, there's my decision. I can't go down to the floor anyhow.

00:56:45.29
Mike
Right.

00:56:45.59
Bill
Um, but I think you might still be able to go down to the suspension bridge. Cause that's part of the way down, but one way or the other, I'm i'm not going to do that.

00:56:50.20
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:56:52.27
Bill
I'm not, so I'm not fucking, I I'm dumb, you know, and I'm, I'm fucking hardheaded, but I don't need to get that far down to be like, Oh fuck this leg ain't working.

00:56:54.78
Mike
Uh-huh.

00:57:00.76
Bill
You know, I mean, you know, surprising.

00:57:01.01
Mike
Yeah, right. I guess I live here now.

00:57:07.93
Bill
I guess I live here now. Yeah. I like that. Well, okay.

00:57:12.09
Mike
Yep. Uh-huh. Mm-hmm.

00:57:15.17
Bill
it It is what it is.

00:57:16.36
Mike
you

00:57:17.08
Bill
But, um you know, it's one those things I could see myself getting down there being like, you know, surprisingly, the fucking heart's in good shape, but my my leg isn't working. So, um and then, you know, yeah, you see the fucking article, you know, fucking transient man.

00:57:24.10
Mike
ah huh

00:57:30.60
Bill
He was fine health-wise, but his leg doesn't work, so we had to fucking flight for life about a year or so. Like, God damn it. But, um, so I can still walk around. i can still walk around the, you know, the above part of the rim and stuff like that.

00:57:42.29
Bill
And you're, it's still good views, and I should be able to get a view. And I'm hoping, really hoping to see some of these, because they do it, I think, every every couple hours um throughout the day through Saturdays and Sundays when they do this water release.

00:57:50.26
Mike
Nice. Yeah.

00:57:53.68
Bill
So I'm guessing it's going to be fucking amazingly, it's probably going to be beautiful to see that.

00:57:57.53
Mike
Yeah.

00:57:58.64
Bill
Um, but here's the other thing. So down in that area, um, there's also an around this area, uh, well, a little bit outside that I'm like, okay, well, fuck it. If I can't, if I can't go down these deeper or hills or big up in a mountain shit, um, I'm going to go see some goddamn waterfalls, you know?

00:58:12.77
Bill
And I'm like with, with this rain since Sunday, if it would have just been light rain, I would have gone someplace on Sunday.

00:58:12.84
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:58:19.50
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:58:19.68
Bill
Um, cause I'm like, I don't care. You know, get a little muddy, whatever.

00:58:21.49
Mike
Right.

00:58:21.80
Bill
Cause I thought, you know, again, rivers and the water and whatever,

00:58:22.16
Mike
Yeah.

00:58:24.74
Bill
Um, but now I'm guessing with all this rain, you know, these waterfalls are going to be spectacular, you know?

00:58:29.18
Mike
Yes, absolutely.

00:58:30.21
Bill
So I'm like, even if it's short trails, I'm like, I don't give a fuck. I get out, enjoy the, enjoy the outdoors on Saturday and Sunday. It's supposed to be, you know, down in the area where I want to go in Georgia again, hour, 20 minutes, hour and a half, whatever it is. Um, you know, in the probably mid to upper sixties between the two days,

00:58:45.23
Mike
Cool.

00:58:45.91
Bill
So I think I'm going to do that. I still want to go. I don't. The only thing they, the Tallulah Gorge thing, it's like, if you like get there early, it could fill up. We might, you know, they might close the parking lot. Like, well, if they close it, what do I do? Right.

00:58:57.38
Mike
Right.

00:58:57.97
Bill
Here's other trails around, but here's the other weird part.

00:58:59.29
Mike
Yeah.

00:59:00.73
Bill
So um I'm really ah clearly I've always known I've been bad at geography. um

00:59:06.00
Mike
Aha.

00:59:06.75
Bill
So um I do this search and all trails, you can go into an area and then kind of pan out. So I'm like, if this, if this is full here, what else is in the area within half hour, 45 minutes that I can go see. Right.

00:59:17.35
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:59:18.02
Bill
And I'm looking, I'm like, well, that's, that's looks kind of cool. I'm reading them like this, whatever it is, Sumter, blah, blah, blah. And it's like something South Carolina. i'm like, I'm not driving all way fucking South Carolina. Then I look and from where I am right now, I'm only an hour and 20 minutes from South Carolina.

00:59:33.81
Mike
Right.

00:59:34.59
Bill
I'm like, Really?

00:59:37.54
Mike
Yeah.

00:59:37.82
Bill
i looked at the map. I'm like, somebody's fucking lying to me. There's no way. And I just, because again, the way North Carolina comes down, I'm in, speaking of just the tip, I am in just the tip of North Carolina.

00:59:46.53
Mike
Mm-hmm.

00:59:48.46
Bill
So I've got North Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia, and literally South Carolina, right?

00:59:51.59
Mike
yeah

00:59:53.68
Bill
When I was down here last time I i went to Georgia, i went to Tennessee. it was in North Carolina. I did not realize that South Carolina is so fucking close.

01:00:00.91
Mike
sope

01:00:01.46
Bill
So yeah, there's, it's, uh, it's Sumter something natural forest, blah, blah, blah. There's like, like five or six different waterfall trails in that area. So I'm like, well, fuck it. Maybe one day I'll go to the other place.

01:00:11.67
Bill
One day I'll go there. So um I might go to South Carolina for God's sakes.

01:00:12.73
Mike
Yeah.

01:00:15.39
Mike
Alright.

01:00:17.43
Bill
But anyhow, so yeah, I fell, I fell. So, and it, it does, it, it fucking hurts, but, uh, it is, it is what it is.

01:00:19.73
Mike
Alright. Uh-huh.

01:00:23.97
Bill
So when, when's the last time you fell?

01:00:26.61
Mike
Um...

01:00:29.26
Bill
Were you drunk? Yeah.

01:00:30.95
Mike
ah Well, no, I'm sure I've fallen since then. um i don't know know. Nothing major. So, yeah.

01:00:39.07
Bill
Right.

01:00:40.40
Mike
oh I know i I was in my dining room a couple of months ago. i got up on a chair to change the battery and the clock, and the chair broke out from under me.

01:00:46.36
Bill
hey

01:00:50.83
Mike
But i actually, yeah.

01:00:51.29
Bill
Oh, shit, really?

01:00:52.34
Mike
But I landed right on my feet. I just kind of dropped straight down and went, well, that was interesting. Yeah.

01:00:59.89
Bill
That reminds me of Christmas Vacation when the when the ladder goes all the way down and he's just standing there. So that?

01:01:04.25
Mike
Yeah.

01:01:04.68
Bill
Yeah.

01:01:05.08
Mike
Yeah. Pretty much.

01:01:09.23
Bill
ah I fell out of my office chair when I was in Oshkosh last year for Father's Day. was in the morning. I was doing my readings and I had the still the tilty chair. And um you know I lean back again morning time. Just finished up my readings. I'm all done.

01:01:23.94
Bill
And I just lean back, big stretch. And I didn't realize you know how the how the legs were.

01:01:25.82
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:01:27.70
Bill
And all sudden, it's like you've you've realized you're falling over. And the same thing, as so I hit the floor and I'm just sitting there for minute going, what did I just fuck up? Nothing. I didn't even, didn't even bruise.

01:01:38.44
Mike
yep

01:01:38.69
Bill
No, no scrapes or anything like that. But I'm like, Jesus Christ, you fucking idiot. yeah

01:01:42.30
Mike
this

01:01:43.23
Bill
But anyhow, that's fucking hilarious. So you fell straight down just on your feet.

01:01:46.51
Mike
yep yep

01:01:49.24
Bill
All right. So um and enough of my fall. So my my question for you, and this came up and now that you were talking about, excuse me, about your rock and roll show and everything.

01:01:57.37
Mike
easy

01:01:57.99
Bill
i don't know if I ever asked you this question. How did you get into the whole rock and roll scene when you were younger? um I mean, what I know what?

01:02:08.56
Bill
Well, maybe I don't even know what drew you into it. But so how did you get into that whole that whole scene? I don't think I i ever asked you that.

01:02:14.84
Mike
I mean, he um i yeah, I don't know. The monkeys, the Partridge family,

01:02:25.80
Mike
you know, very, very small child going, that looks cool. um I don't know. Yeah. I mean, what are you i'm not exactly sure what you're asking me? i mean, I've always wanted to ever since ever since I was conscious, you know.

01:02:38.40
Bill
Okay. So, so, okay. Well, so we got the one and two part out. So how did you, um, did you have buddies yours? Did you like seek people out to start a band? How did you actually start playing and and getting into again, the bands and all that stuff?

01:02:51.69
Mike
Um, uh, wow. Um, yeah, you know, yeah, just friends. I mean, it was just kind of, you know, again, building up to it by the time I was, you know, 12, 13 years old, it was like, I was, you know, starting to play and, um, yeah, just find other guys that play and, you know, go to somebody's garage and start playing.

01:03:18.41
Bill
No, it's just, it's, I just didn't, I don't know if I ever, if I ever asked you that question or whatever it was.

01:03:23.35
Mike
Right.

01:03:23.94
Bill
So, and.

01:03:24.57
Mike
I mean, yeah, there's no like moment or anything. It was always just, yeah, you know, leading up to it. And yeah, you know, other guys in whatever school, oh you know, I was always in music classes and stuff.

01:03:37.19
Mike
So that was, there was people around and yeah, you just start, hey, let's, let's get together and jam and see what happens. And yeah, I don't know.

01:03:47.03
Bill
Right.

01:03:47.71
Mike
Yeah.

01:03:49.01
Bill
No, that's cool. I mean, I know that because you were talking that when we're talking about the voice stuff, you know, obviously last week when you were when you did the lead and then I knew you were in, you know, you were in some sort of band, right?

01:03:53.55
Mike
Right.

01:03:58.95
Bill
I mean, like like school band, high school.

01:03:59.16
Mike
Right. Yeah. Yeah. but Yeah. Right. Yeah. You know, garage band in high school, you know, uh, guys. Yeah. From school, you know, just playing.

01:04:07.50
Bill
OK. But like not like in school, did you were you ever like in?

01:04:10.99
Mike
No.

01:04:11.66
Bill
OK, I just I couldn't remember if you were actually.

01:04:12.70
Mike
Well, I mean, yeah, I, mean I, I played drums in the jazz orchestra.

01:04:16.85
Bill
Oh, yeah.

01:04:17.07
Mike
Um, yeah.

01:04:17.68
Bill
OK.

01:04:18.36
Mike
You know, for, two and a half years and did that. You know, I was always in choir. um well You know, I mean, shit, I remember my freshman year, there was like older guys that had a band that were playing out and stuff. They wanted me to sing for them.

01:04:34.27
Bill
Really?

01:04:34.40
Mike
And but yeah, my mom said, no. and um i Yeah, I mean, literally, I was 13 years old or something, you know maybe 14. And yeah, she's like, no, you're not going out to bars. and and so Okay, fine. Fuck you.

01:04:50.47
Bill
But you're like, why, mom?

01:04:51.92
Mike
Yeah, exactly. You know, I mean, two years later, was out humping equipment for older guys. And, you know, yeah, to get into bars because I'm an alcoholic and I wanted to be in a bar.

01:04:58.12
Bill
Right.

01:05:02.85
Mike
What do you mean I'm always 16 and I can't be in here? Sure, I can. I'm loading in with these guys that are playing here tonight. Give me a beer.

01:05:12.40
Bill
By the way, while I'm here, think i think I'll grab me a cold one.

01:05:13.70
Mike
Yeah.

01:05:16.11
Bill
How's that?

01:05:16.37
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:05:17.54
Bill
But no, it was just seriously, it just something that I don't know that I ever asked and I don't know how it popped into my head. Probably when just talking back and forth with different stuff. And I'm like, yeah, just made that note and figured, you know, don't know.

01:05:24.97
Mike
Right.

01:05:28.29
Bill
just So just a it just kind of happened.

01:05:28.40
Mike
Yeah.

01:05:29.85
Bill
You know, that was who you who you were, who you were.

01:05:30.52
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

01:05:32.43
Bill
Kind of like you were always an alcoholic. You were always ah always a band guy.

01:05:35.76
Mike
Yes, I was. Mm-hmm.

01:05:37.52
Bill
tea Deep down, man, I always wanted to play.

01:05:40.71
Mike
Help.

01:05:41.68
Bill
That's cool, though. Okay, good.

01:05:43.44
Mike
Yes, so you can blame David Cassidy for all of it.

01:05:47.89
Bill
When you start going through fucking monkey's partridge family.

01:05:51.45
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:05:51.80
Bill
Yeah, I mean, I get it. I absolutely get it. All right. So this is from ah Touchstones. And this is a, I think I, and this must be the whole part of the reading. It's talking about anger.

01:06:02.80
Bill
um This is one, you know, it talks about men and anger. So it's kind of a little bit of a longer thing, but um I wrote this down for kind of a purpose because, again, it talks about anger.

01:06:05.80
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:06:11.38
Bill
All right. So from the book, Touchstones, feeling of anger, feelings of anger are naughty K-N-O-T-T-Y problem for many men. Some of us as children were injured or so frightened by angry by an angry adult that we have instinctively avoided anger ever since.

01:06:27.16
Bill
Or we have been appalled by ourselves when we lost control of our anger.

01:06:31.24
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:06:31.71
Bill
Still, we are taught that it's masculine to be aggressive. Some of us have tried so hard to squelch our anger that we don't even know when we feel it. We treat anger like a rejected child. Once rejected, we no longer have good discipline over it.

01:06:45.28
Bill
Once it comes out in hurtful jokes and or. So it comes out of hurtful jokes and sarcastic comments or bursts out of us in scary and destructive ways. OK, so the reason I wrote that down is it it sparked a bunch of chords in me from obviously prior to sobriety.

01:07:01.72
Bill
OK, the only thing I mean, and I guess I'm going to speak for myself in this one first is I don't. I don't know. I suppose i could I could look back at how my dad was and how my dad acted and blah, blah, blah. I'm not blaming necessarily my my anger and my aggressiveness and all those sort of things on you know from a family side of things. But did any of that ring with you from prior to sober times?

01:07:23.72
Mike
Oh, absolutely. Yeah, of course.

01:07:25.62
Bill
Okay.

01:07:26.17
Mike
And I mean, yeah, you know, you bring up your dad and whatever parents, blah, blah, blah. I mean, you know, we as little human beings, we learn how to behave by watching the people around us.

01:07:36.90
Mike
You know, the grownups, what are they doing?

01:07:37.27
Bill
Right.

01:07:38.86
Mike
Okay, that's what we're going to do. It's how it works.

01:07:43.69
Bill
Yeah. And he was, I mean, uh, and even when, um, and I know I've said this before when, when I worked for my dad, which would have been 87, I don't know. seven

01:07:54.67
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:07:56.15
Bill
Yeah, when I graduated from yeah graduate from high school in 86, yeah, I went to work for him ah yeah in May of 87. I worked for him for a little over a year, 87 to 88 area.

01:08:07.35
Bill
So he got sober in 81. So he was sober for, you know, at that point, by the time I went out there, six six years and three, four months, whatever it was.

01:08:14.03
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

01:08:16.26
Bill
Um, and I mean, again, looking back at it now with, with through sober eyes and shit like that, i mean, I could see, I'm not trying to judge his program, but I could see where he was not, um, he was not happy, joyous and free.

01:08:23.43
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:08:28.26
Bill
Okay.

01:08:28.44
Mike
Right.

01:08:28.54
Bill
Or if he, if he was, cause he was going to meetings and all that shit at that point, but he, I don't know, it's six years sober.

01:08:31.99
Mike
Sure.

01:08:35.85
Bill
He didn't seem to have a real good handle on his emotions. Yeah.

01:08:39.44
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:08:39.80
Bill
And I know that now. you know i didn't know I know that then.

01:08:41.10
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

01:08:41.97
Bill
He was just blown up.

01:08:42.32
Mike
Sure.

01:08:42.89
Bill
I i never thought to look at him and be like, Jesus, you're a sober, dude. What the fuck are you doing, man?

01:08:47.58
Mike
Uh-huh. Right.

01:08:48.69
Bill
um But he always did that. Always had a um ah quick and a short temper.

01:08:54.94
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:08:55.30
Bill
And I did too. you know So um I don't know. Was it learned? um I mean, mom was kind of the...

01:09:03.16
Bill
Kind of the same way, you know, in a lot of ways. mean, she had a she didn't like have a really bad temper, but she could fly off the handle pretty quickly, you know, and, um you know, but I mean, all she also held on to shit for or for for fucking ever.

01:09:09.40
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:09:15.83
Mike
Right. and

01:09:17.66
Bill
But um I don't know. It's just in in talking about this, you know, it was it was talking about you know bursting out in scary and destructive ways. Yes, I did that.

01:09:25.35
Mike
Right.

01:09:25.45
Bill
um You know, tried hard to squelch our anger. I tried that, um you know, treat anger like a rejected child.

01:09:28.96
Mike
he

01:09:31.32
Bill
and I understand exactly what they mean. They're once rejected. We no longer have discipline over it.

01:09:35.71
Mike
isn

01:09:35.97
Bill
um I don't know. It was just it was it was a lot in a little small package.

01:09:40.57
Mike
Right.

01:09:40.68
Bill
But the first thing I thought about. Cause there are still times to this day. I mean, we've talked about it before. I mean, neither one of us are fucking perfect, you know, and I don't necessarily lash out at people.

01:09:47.65
Mike
Mm-mm.

01:09:53.02
Mike
Right.

01:09:53.28
Bill
um But I still get fucking angry, you know?

01:09:55.17
Mike
Oh, yeah.

01:09:55.85
Bill
um And ah some, thankfully, you know, nine times out of 10, it's by myself. And if I just, sometimes, I mean, it's just whatever, it's this frustration, it's whatever it is.

01:10:00.34
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:10:03.96
Bill
You're like, oh God damn it. And then I'm like, what the fuck's wrong with me?

01:10:07.29
Mike
Right.

01:10:08.63
Bill
You know, what did that just accomplish?

01:10:11.06
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:10:11.28
Bill
You know?

01:10:11.92
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:10:12.55
Bill
nobody's here. I didn't hurt anyone's feelings. Um, you know, but I, I don't know. Does, does it help that I could, that I'm conscious of it? I mean, I don't even fucking know if I'm looking for justification now. Um, I mean, i think it helps that I, that I get it, but I mean, again, I'm not, not fixed.

01:10:25.85
Mike
Well, absolutely. I mean, well, I mean, you know, yeah, you look back at, you know, before you knew any better.

01:10:30.80
Bill
Right.

01:10:32.31
Mike
Yeah, you certainly weren't. You were just fucking lashing out and, you know, being pissed off and in whatever I did. um Yeah, right. Now, yeah you know, yeah, we get pissed off and then we go, all right, just, yeah we catch ourselves, which is, you know, which is an improvement.

01:10:47.81
Bill
Right.

01:10:49.73
Mike
But yes, we're not going to...

01:10:50.19
Bill
Right.

01:10:52.48
Mike
shit's still going to piss us off. And, um you know, and, and sometimes we take it a little farther than we should.

01:11:00.08
Bill
Right. Yeah. Yeah.

01:11:00.67
Mike
um Yeah. You know, but fuck, like you said, we're not perfect, man, but you know, progress, not perfection, you know?

01:11:05.64
Bill
right

01:11:08.01
Bill
yeah

01:11:08.55
Mike
Yeah. I mean, yeah, but we're better. We, we recognize it. and We go, well, this is stupid. like I should probably stop doing this now. ah And generally we do. Yeah.

01:11:19.59
Bill
Right. Yeah. And you know, the thing that is, anytime that something like that happens, I, the first thing in this, I guess, goes back to what we were talking about last week about looking inside versus outside.

01:11:30.97
Mike
listen

01:11:31.21
Bill
I think it was last week. um You know, if I immediately look at him like, what the fuck am I not doing? You know, um what am I missing here?

01:11:38.04
Mike
Right.

01:11:40.87
Bill
And, you know, I mean, sometimes I'm like, okay, so we talked about it openly. I'm like, I don't go to a lot of meetings, but I'm like, do I, would it help if I sat in a meeting listening to some, um some person fucking ramble on about, you know, his or her drunk-a-log is that going to help me deal with my anger?

01:11:53.24
Mike
ahha

01:11:55.68
Mike
More than likely not.

01:11:56.48
Bill
And I'm like, again, more than likely not. So what I did was when, when shit like that happens is I talk about it on here, you know, and this is my

01:12:03.69
Mike
Mm-hmm. Which is going to a meeting and and, you know, sitting around with the guys beforehand, before that idiot's up there rambling about their drunk-a-log.

01:12:13.92
Bill
Right.

01:12:14.03
Mike
um Yeah, which is, you know, a part of like I always say, you know, I go to one meeting a week and I go there to be of service. But, yeah, you know, I mean, just sitting around beforehand, just shooting the shit and talking with guys and whatever, yeah, yeah.

01:12:27.44
Mike
You know, that's part of it. Absolutely. You know, that is a little selfish part for me.

01:12:29.72
Bill
Right.

01:12:32.05
Mike
You know, venting about, you know, some bullshit that happened during the week and whatever. And yeah, you know, yeah, the fellowship, which is, like you said, what this kind of is.

01:12:40.02
Bill
Right.

01:12:42.18
Mike
So, yeah, it it fills that void of of, yeah, not going to so many meetings. And again, i don't go. I go to one a week to be of service. But I get to, I get to, I do get to have that little bit of fellowship, you know.

01:12:55.53
Mike
So, yeah.

01:12:55.91
Bill
Right. Yeah, it is. But it is that this is this is like I mean, this is a meeting. This is therapy. This is fellowship.

01:13:01.67
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:13:02.81
Bill
This is friendship. This is family, you know, for for you and i um But it is it's so I mean, I mean, there's there's things that you and I talk about that that I never bring up on here or that you never bring up on here.

01:13:06.71
Mike
Right.

01:13:13.22
Mike
Sure. Mm-hmm.

01:13:14.38
Bill
I mean, granted, we we don't let everything out on here. We have some constraints, not a lot of them, but we have we have a couple.

01:13:16.88
Mike
No.

01:13:19.99
Mike
Not much, but yeah. Generally, when it has to do with other people, that, yeah, it's many none of your business out there, you listeners.

01:13:24.57
Bill
Yeah.

01:13:28.30
Bill
Yeah, exactly.

01:13:28.54
Mike
Yeah.

01:13:29.18
Bill
Well, plus, I mean, and that goes back to, you know, the, hopefully the, you know, us being a little bit better. i mean, we don't to sit here and fucking berate people on here.

01:13:34.17
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:13:36.12
Bill
If I got a problem with somebody, it's, I want to sit down with that person and talk about them.

01:13:36.46
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm. I got a problem with you people.

01:13:41.10
Bill
Yeah.

01:13:41.96
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:13:42.01
Bill
But not, not sit out, sit on here and fucking, it you know, talk about somebody. I want to talk to somebody if I, if I got some sort of issue, you know?

01:13:46.20
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

01:13:49.73
Bill
So anyhow, so um I don't know. It was just that that anger thing. And I remember it was a couple of weeks ago, I think, when I when I copied that out of there. But um again, it was just it's been a while since I've really um i since I've like felt something when I read it.

01:13:55.77
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:14:02.30
Bill
And was just like, God damn, you know, just it just it did. It pulled me back to who I was, but then also made me think about, you know, i still got a little bit of in me.

01:14:06.44
Mike
Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. Mm-hmm.

01:14:09.32
Bill
I mean, why I think we all do.

01:14:09.74
Mike
and yeah

01:14:11.20
Bill
um But I know it just thought to be an interesting conversation. So.

01:14:13.75
Mike
Absolutely. Yeah. You know, I mean, yeah, clearly things still piss me off, but, um, but yeah, well, I, again, uh, it comes back to the, we're no longer emotionally driven.

01:14:18.74
Bill
yeah

01:14:25.20
Mike
We're spiritually driven, you know, you know, so fuck your feelings and, you know, act like, you know, don't act like the pissed off person you are. Act like the understanding person that you want to be.

01:14:37.36
Mike
Nope.

01:14:37.82
Bill
Right. Yeah. Again, act as if.

01:14:40.52
Mike
Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.

01:14:42.41
Bill
So the the next one, and this actually was from Keep It Simple. This might have been recent too.

01:14:45.47
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:14:46.17
Bill
And it's like, I guess goes along the same lines. um It was talking about being stubborn and taking a stand versus listening to others' opinions and bending.

01:14:53.07
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:14:56.70
Bill
So my question to this was, when do you think, yeah well, and it says, I wrote down, when when do you think you stop being stubborn? And I know that's not the case.

01:15:07.20
Mike
Of course not.

01:15:08.27
Bill
Okay. When you stop being, let me add in so stubborn or overly stubborn um and started.

01:15:12.70
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right. Completely closed-minded.

01:15:17.41
Bill
Yeah. When you weren't as big of a dick stubborn, and um you know, and started bending, you know, kind of bending more in recovery.

01:15:20.21
Mike
since

01:15:23.39
Mike
Right.

01:15:23.73
Bill
Do you know, do you know when you kind kind of had that maybe soft it a little bit with that part and started bending on stuff?

01:15:29.26
Mike
um Well, I mean, yeah, right at the beginning, um because I kind of knew I had to. um yeah know, ah again, being, I used the term open-minded. I have to, i can't,

01:15:42.28
Mike
You know, as much as i as much as i think I have things figured out, ah and I do have some things figured out, thankfully, today.

01:15:47.82
Bill
yeah

01:15:52.31
Bill
Right.

01:15:53.63
Mike
um But I still have to... be open enough to allow new stuff in, you know, which isn't always easy because, you know, I got shit figured out, right?

01:16:01.20
Bill
Right.

01:16:05.67
Mike
I don't need your bullshit opinions. um But occasionally i do because occasionally that bullshit opinion is going to make me go, hmm, All right. Yeah, that's, that's good. could use that. If I completely shut down and completely know everything and completely have it all worked out, then I'm not going to be open to anything and I'm not going to get any better.

01:16:27.44
Mike
which is, I know is not good.

01:16:30.73
Bill
Right. Right.

01:16:30.93
Mike
um so yeah, you know, ah yes, I am stubborn. Yes, I have my way and it works for me and blah, blah, blah, blah. blah But I also know that if I keep a bit of an open mind, i might actually get a better way, an easier way, ah you know, something that works better for me than what I'm doing now.

01:16:46.99
Bill
right

01:16:52.35
Mike
You know, which works for me and is pretty easy and blah, blah, blah. But yeah, you know, I can always improve and I'm always looking for something to make this shit easier. Right.

01:17:02.95
Mike
Hmm.

01:17:03.92
Bill
Well, yeah, I mean, why why wouldn't we, right?

01:17:05.58
Mike
right

01:17:06.82
Bill
And, you know, it's funny that, because when when I asked you that question about when do you think that happened, I... to begin with, I'm like, I, I, I asked the question, like, I don't even know for, for myself, but when you brought up in the right away, the beginning, I then i immediately thought about that. and I think immediately I started bending because I was afraid not to, you know, I was afraid not to, um, not to do, um, even though I wasn't completely committed to it in somewhere in the back of this fucking thick skull of mine.

01:17:24.68
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

01:17:33.00
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:17:35.75
Mike
Right.

01:17:35.90
Bill
Um, it told me that you, you gotta fucking lighten up and do some shit, you know?

01:17:39.34
Mike
Well, yeah clearly, you know, looking at the evidence, what we were doing wasn't working very well.

01:17:46.60
Bill
Yeah, but, you know, at that point, we don't necessarily want to completely admit that.

01:17:49.78
Mike
Right. Well, of course not. Right.

01:17:51.70
Bill
um But the other thing, too, is that, you know, I had these, especially with with Dawn, you know, these conversations and things like that.

01:17:57.09
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:17:59.09
Bill
I mean, I didn't want to I, ah so you know, the fog clears and, you know, you don't you get some of the booze out of you and all this stuff starts to again.

01:18:03.32
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:18:07.65
Bill
Clarity comes back in in truly.

01:18:08.80
Mike
Right.

01:18:10.37
Bill
I didn't. I thought I was going, well, I thought that I, I know I could have lost everything be you know, between Dawn and i lost her.

01:18:14.30
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:18:18.23
Bill
I mean, but I knew that. But, you know, my son and in all these different things that I had no idea how, how mom was going to be with me or even Kathy, you know, Kathy, everyone seemed cool, but how was the rest of the family?

01:18:19.62
Mike
Right. Right. Mm-hmm.

01:18:25.94
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:18:28.90
Bill
was, it was John and Gail.

01:18:29.07
Mike
Right.

01:18:29.98
Bill
was Johnny, with all these, you know, the extended family.

01:18:30.97
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:18:32.38
Bill
I'm like, I don't fucking know.

01:18:32.64
Mike
Sure. Right.

01:18:34.77
Bill
You know, so I think it literally was, I was afraid, i was afraid not to be flexible, you know?

01:18:40.04
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:18:40.74
Bill
um And I think that, you know, everything goes back to fear, right?

01:18:40.74
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:18:43.97
Bill
That just popped into my head.

01:18:44.39
Mike
Well. Uh-huh.

01:18:47.72
Bill
Fucking fear. Yeah. Fuck you, fear. You've been around for too goddamn long.

01:18:52.44
Mike
Yeah.

01:18:53.42
Bill
yeah Just sitting in my backseat all the goddamn time.

01:18:56.36
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:18:57.08
Bill
But yeah, just ah as I'm saying that, I'm like, Jesus Christ, back then, you know, it was there right right away on day fucking one.

01:19:00.60
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:19:03.70
Mike
Yep.

01:19:04.20
Bill
Fear's like, okay, we're getting sober. Come on.

01:19:06.43
Mike
Oh, yeah.

01:19:06.90
Bill
I'm coming with you.

01:19:07.21
Mike
Mm-hmm. oh oh yeah

01:19:08.14
Bill
Yeah. yeah yeah You want to get better? Yeah. here um but let's Let's do this together. Take my hand, bitch. yeah I'm going to pop up when you least like it and when you least expect it.

01:19:20.66
Bill
How's that?

01:19:20.70
Mike
listen

01:19:23.25
Bill
All right. um So I've got, there's a couple of articles that I that i ran across. um Oh, first of all, side note while i'm looking this up.

01:19:31.59
Mike
Yeah.

01:19:31.64
Bill
um I made a phone call at work. And um again, the work that I do, I work for law firm collections. We collect from businesses.

01:19:36.88
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:19:37.96
Bill
And I get this... And this phone phone call, bringing person answers is like, it sounded like an answering machine begin with. Like, thank you for calling ABC Business where we do this and that and blah, blah, blah.

01:19:46.63
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:19:49.93
Bill
And I'm like, thank you, this voicemail. And then it's like, how can I help you?

01:19:51.47
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:19:52.64
Bill
I'm like, i'm like oh, um ah my name is, and I'm trying to reach and blah, blah, blah. And they're like, um can you, ah you know, that individual is not available right now. You know, can you kind of name a number?

01:20:03.43
Bill
Then I'm like, the person's voice, I could hear background, like a call center type of thing.

01:20:06.69
Mike
Sure.

01:20:07.51
Bill
But it almost sounded like um staged. It didn't sound real, you know? And then I'm like, excuse me? Person's like, can I have your name and number, please? I'll be more happy to leave a message.

01:20:18.53
Bill
Then I'm like, am talking to a...

01:20:21.37
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:20:22.29
Bill
Am I talking to fucking AI robot?

01:20:24.54
Mike
hu

01:20:25.33
Bill
You know, and so I get my name and then they're like, you know, this and that. And I said, like, okay, I will let the person know. I'm like, do you need my phone number? Your phone number is, and then it just reads out my phone number, obviously off a caller ID.

01:20:34.96
Mike
and

01:20:37.54
Bill
And I like ask some weird questions like, well, we'll pass that along too type of thing. But as a female voice, I literally, I had a conversation and left a message with fucking AI. Yeah.

01:20:47.96
Mike
Nice.

01:20:48.73
Bill
It was weird.

01:20:49.92
Mike
Yeah, I bet.

01:20:50.82
Bill
It was fucking weird. um

01:20:53.64
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:20:53.96
Bill
Impressive, but kind because it wasn't bad. it wasn't terrible.

01:20:57.58
Mike
Sure.

01:20:58.19
Bill
um And I'm like, this is really fucking fucking weird.

01:21:01.97
Mike
Yeah.

01:21:01.99
Bill
this um like, Jesus Christ.

01:21:02.20
Mike
Yeah.

01:21:03.65
Bill
I just had a conversation with a fucking computer. Right.

01:21:05.89
Mike
Right. ah Check this out. So I heard this actually on the radio today. um Apparently somebody was doing a ah court appearance, right? Like a video one, you know?

01:21:15.39
Bill
Right.

01:21:16.15
Mike
Yeah. And um so the judge asked for, you know, the lawyer to make statement or whatever. Yeah. It was some idiot fucking AI a lawyer.

01:21:28.53
Mike
And the only reason they caught it was the the graphics, the video wasn't quite good enough. Yeah. The judge is like, wait a minute, wait a but wait minute, wait minute. Who am I talking to here?

01:21:40.16
Mike
Yeah. So he like program damn programmed this AI thing to be his lawyer.

01:21:46.20
Bill
Oh my God.

01:21:47.14
Mike
Yeah. Which, and you know, they were talking about it. They're like, well, shit, you know, for probably it's going to happen sooner or later. i mean, because I mean, what do you do to a lawyer? You you tell them what you want, your objective for whatever, and then they run it through the law.

01:22:02.60
Mike
and, you know, their knowledge in the law books and what's already written down, and then they spit out what you want in the terms that need to be used.

01:22:11.96
Bill
Right.

01:22:12.02
Mike
So, yeah, it's going to fucking happen.

01:22:14.77
Bill
Right.

01:22:14.87
Mike
But, yeah, some some jack-off fucking tried to, like, do it on his own and jacked into this video court appearance.

01:22:23.10
Bill
That's crazy.

01:22:23.97
Mike
Yeah.

01:22:24.75
Bill
You know, but I mean, you're right. If it's just, um if it's just now. And so have you ever on, and you've got an Android phone. Have you ever used Gemini?

01:22:31.08
Mike
Yeah. now

01:22:33.75
Bill
Okay, so Gemini is Google's app. And every once in a while, they have Gemini Live where you can actually, you can have a conversation with it, which is really fucking weird.

01:22:37.42
Mike
Right.

01:22:43.08
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:22:44.90
Bill
But I tried it out one time and it's like, ah it gave a suggestion. What I was talking about, I just, I'm like, okay, well, I was i think i was it was when I was in the middle of trying to build the the website for the modern day hobo stuff.

01:22:54.50
Mike
right

01:22:54.85
Bill
I already had it built, but im like, oh, I'm trying to build a website. Can you help me out? Like, well, what type of website do you want? Like ah I'm doing this. So I had it on the live. So I'm having a conversation. It's offering these suggestions.

01:23:02.34
Mike
oh

01:23:04.08
Bill
And if you start talking, you're like, oh, well, hang on one second. It'll stop and listen to you and change gears and keep talking. I'm like, this is fucking weird.

01:23:12.58
Mike
Yeah. Yeah.

01:23:14.45
Bill
So.

01:23:14.51
Mike
I mean, I know it's that chat GPTSIWXYZ. Right. But yeah, Chris uses it for some stuff. She's, out yeah, she's talked to me about using, you know, yeah, the chat GPS or GPT.

01:23:28.64
Bill
GPT.

01:23:28.87
Mike
Yeah.

01:23:29.32
Bill
Yeah.

01:23:29.51
Mike
gbt yeah um You know, like, yeah, to, you know, ask it stuff about whatever subject she's trying to find out about. And yeah, um I don't know, man. No, thank you. But well, you know, I'm still picking up paper books to read my meditations every day.

01:23:40.59
Bill
Yeah, it's,

01:23:45.22
Mike
So, yeah.

01:23:45.96
Bill
No, there's nothing wrong with that. It's just part of it. Like when I, when I said earlier, whatever we were talking about, where um I have this, um it's a, it's a curiosity, sort of a fascination, but kind of like, kind of like going to this zoo.

01:23:58.79
Bill
Okay.

01:23:58.96
Mike
Right.

01:23:59.42
Bill
um That's what AI is to me. It's like, I,

01:24:01.37
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:24:01.93
Bill
That line is really fucking cool, but I don't want to be in there with it. You know, um I don't want to go too close to the fence because it'll bite my finger off.

01:24:04.63
Mike
all right.

01:24:08.26
Bill
Like I want to I want to see well how I could use AI type of thing.

01:24:11.93
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:24:12.35
Bill
um And I've used it for certain things. And I like Google now, like a Google search. When you search on something, depending on a subject, it'll give you the AI overview first. Yeah.

01:24:21.03
Mike
Right.

01:24:21.54
Bill
You know, which is the, that's a compilation of, you know, thousands of websites into one short, it's a CliffsNotes version.

01:24:25.45
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

01:24:27.99
Bill
So i like that.

01:24:28.52
Mike
Yeah.

01:24:28.86
Bill
That doesn't have everything, but it gives you a pretty goddamn good, usually overview.

01:24:29.18
Mike
Yeah.

01:24:33.32
Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

01:24:35.27
Bill
But I mean, I haven't used it like Elise, again, Sober Curious. They use it for a lot of stuff.

01:24:38.41
Mike
Right.

01:24:38.99
Bill
I don't, I don't want to use it for, and you and I talked about that, the like the podcast descriptions. I could probably, no, and not even,

01:24:45.62
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:24:48.18
Bill
It would take me more time to use AI right now to do our descriptions because I number things as we're talking.

01:24:50.80
Mike
Right. Uh-huh.

01:24:53.20
Bill
Yes, I printed out old school on a sheet. So I've got my things and I number them so i know what order, but that doesn't even matter. Every one of our descriptions is pretty much the same. I start out with try to do some, hey, we're back again type of thing, blah, blah, ha, ha, you know, little elbow to the elbow to the ribs type of comment.

01:25:06.22
Mike
Right.

01:25:09.72
Mike
Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

01:25:09.81
Bill
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. um It's sometimes like, I can't think of anything. So i just don't. um But I always talk about your reading. Then I'm like, and we chatted about, if we have a guest, you know, I'll put it whatever, but you know, we chat about whatever.

01:25:22.34
Mike
Right.

01:25:22.71
Bill
And then I just put like, we chatted about, you know, AI falling this. I just do, I do an outline. That's how I do it now.

01:25:28.71
Mike
sir

01:25:30.10
Bill
I stopped doing, first of all, again, it got to be a lot, you know, and I got just more lazy.

01:25:33.49
Mike
Right.

01:25:35.95
Bill
And finally I'm like, this is, this actually reads better. Just doing it like this.

01:25:40.07
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:25:40.52
Bill
And I don't need to, I don't need to fucking listen to the episode.

01:25:43.83
Mike
Great.

01:25:44.14
Bill
You know, here's your little bits and pieces.

01:25:44.87
Mike
Yeah.

01:25:46.28
Bill
Now you you caught, yeah yeah, we talked about gargling snake sperm.

01:25:49.96
Mike
Yes.

01:25:50.18
Bill
Turn the fucking episode on and listen to it.

01:25:52.12
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:25:55.03
Bill
All right. So, um, God damn, it's a fucking ad. Hold on. Um, all right. So this is the first one. This is, uh, from New Berlin, Wisconsin. Okay.

01:26:05.15
Mike
ah Okay. Okay.

01:26:05.95
Bill
New Berlin. We, you and I accidentally drove out to Brookfield the one time when they were doing construction. The first time you you were out there, uh, I missed the exit.

01:26:12.32
Mike
h

01:26:13.57
Bill
We ended up having to drive out to Brookfield and come back.

01:26:16.03
Mike
Yeah.

01:26:16.59
Bill
New Berlin is South of Brookfield where, where we were. So you were, you were just North of New Berlin when you were there.

01:26:19.70
Mike
Okay.

01:26:21.86
Bill
So this is semi familiar to you.

01:26:22.06
Mike
All right.

01:26:25.77
Bill
New Berlin police officer accused of misconduct, stealing DEA drugs. Okay.

01:26:31.33
Mike
Hmm.

01:26:32.51
Bill
Exactly.

01:26:33.69
Mike
Yeah.

01:26:33.98
Bill
ah

01:26:34.13
Mike
Cops have the best stuff. I've said that forever.

01:26:37.45
Bill
According to the criminal complaint back in May 90 or 2004, a police sergeant discovered that certain drugs that were issued to the department by the DEA were missing. Purpose of these drugs was for canine training.

01:26:50.99
Bill
The sergeant brought the drugs to a training session in Fond du Lac, only discovered drugs missing. They were stored in boxes, blah, blah, blah. um And basically what it was, this this officer was stealing them from, they were the drugs for training the drug dogs.

01:27:05.26
Mike
Right.

01:27:05.30
Bill
Okay. And this is what he stole, 28 grams of black tar heroin.

01:27:11.10
Mike
Right.

01:27:11.96
Bill
You're like, hey, that's a good start to a Friday night.

01:27:13.83
Mike
Yeah, yeah it

01:27:14.96
Bill
yeah yeah 28 grams of cocaine base.

01:27:17.86
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:27:18.79
Bill
28 grams of cocaine HCI. I don't understand what that is.

01:27:22.64
Mike
don't know.

01:27:23.53
Bill
Okay. And then 28 grams of heroin HCI. I'm guessing you don't know what that is either. These are probably good things that you don't know. you got You know enough about drugs. You're fine.

01:27:31.27
Mike
Oh, yeah, right.

01:27:33.68
Bill
14.2 grams of methamphetamine. This is missing drugs included note. Okay. Yeah, this is what including the missing drugs that included note cards that documented the weights of such drugs were also missing.

01:27:46.29
Bill
um Drug access and video surveillance. So the complaint goes on to say that they will not use the drugs are short and pass through locker, blah, blah, blah. um Full search of the building conducted. I think they caught him. Oh, yeah. Investigators looked at a video from the interior property room and identified 12 instances of unauthorized access to the locker between November 23 and April of 24 by the the fucking defendant.

01:28:10.75
Mike
Uh huh.

01:28:10.78
Bill
I'm like, Jesus Christ. They were talking about this again on the morning show. They're like... You know, well, yeah, he's an officer, you know, where the things are. And then they're like, don't you think he'd know where the fucking cameras were? They didn't say fuck it.

01:28:20.48
Mike
Right.

01:28:20.83
Bill
Of course, it's a radio.

01:28:21.74
Mike
huh. Right.

01:28:22.43
Bill
um But he's like, yeah, you know, apparently he missed that part. I'm like, yeah, well, yeah, that was the that's the big part, you know. um So, yeah, he literally missed where the cameras were. He knew he could probably like skim the drugs till he couldn't, you know, to like obviously caught on.

01:28:32.92
Mike
Mm hmm.

01:28:35.08
Bill
But all they would, well, either way, I'm sure they would have found out. But I'm just like, really? So yeah you're stealing those drugs from the fucking drug dogs. um I don't know. These fuck fucking people, they think, you' hey, I'm a cop. i can I can do this.

01:28:45.95
Bill
I'm perfectly fine.

01:28:46.37
Mike
Right.

01:28:46.63
Bill
I can get away with this.

01:28:47.04
Mike
Well, clearly, you know, it's it's like the rest of us, man. You know, we fucking delusional and we, yeah, you know, convince ourselves of anything.

01:28:58.49
Bill
Right. Right. So here's here's the next one. This is this is also a Wisconsin story because this this just came across. I saw this in a news or article, not on the not on the radio, but the um the headline had said ah say it doesn't say it on here.

01:29:18.02
Bill
the the teaser line on it was um Oak Creek. It's in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. That's down towards the airport. um It's saying Oak Creek is basically like getting out the word that theyre um that there're there's no tolerance or they have no tolerance against drunk driving. And I'm like,

01:29:35.47
Bill
Who does?

01:29:37.01
Mike
Right.

01:29:37.32
Bill
So, so first of all, like that was like the teaser line to the story. I'm like, so the city of Oak Creek is saying that we want everyone to know that we're, we're against drunk driving.

01:29:46.49
Mike
Okay.

01:29:46.92
Bill
Perfect. Good. Thank you.

01:29:49.18
Mike
Thanks.

01:29:49.50
Bill
What do you say? Cronkite? What's a Cronkite line?

01:29:51.86
Mike
good Thanks for the news flash, Cronkite.

01:29:54.41
Bill
yeah Exactly. All right. So um Oak Creek police arrested three separate people for drunk driving within 30 minutes it early Sunday morning. Okay.

01:30:03.83
Mike
Right.

01:30:04.77
Bill
First arrest came after police got a call about a fight inside a car um at a gas station that scene officer saw the driver was intoxicated. um It was arrested for obviously Okay.

01:30:15.04
Bill
Okay. Another unrelated call came to the Oak Creek Police Department involved a car by the railroad tracks ah near Drexel Avenue. Driver was also arrested drunk driving. So so there's two.

01:30:25.79
Bill
you know, obviously, one's a fight.

01:30:26.38
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:30:27.46
Bill
One, obviously, decided to stop on the train tracks.

01:30:31.08
Mike
Yep.

01:30:31.13
Bill
So here's here's the kicker one. Here comes the third one. Well, off of the earth, off the earth. off Officers were investigating the driver near the train tracks. One of their friends arrived to pick them up.

01:30:44.93
Bill
Okay. Good friend. My friend, my friend's in trouble.

01:30:46.97
Mike
Sure. They

01:30:48.46
Bill
I'm going to pick him or her up. um But guess what? You can guess, right?

01:30:53.78
Mike
they were drunk too.

01:30:55.23
Bill
The friend had a blood alcohol content of double the legal limit.

01:31:00.08
Mike
Nice.

01:31:00.09
Bill
They were arrested for OWI. Okay.

01:31:05.73
Bill
And I'm like ah like, oh my God. So first of all, the biggest thing that got me was the, the again, the teaser thing saying that, you know, obviously they're cracking down. Well, Jesus Christ, of course you are.

01:31:13.67
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:31:15.07
Bill
In the three arrests in 30 minutes, I'm like, well, that could happen anywhere. But the friend picking them up type of thing.

01:31:18.29
Mike
Right.

01:31:20.22
Bill
so

01:31:20.24
Mike
That's good.

01:31:21.40
Bill
So I know that that you never, um you just never got caught. You've admitted that, correct?

01:31:25.27
Mike
Right. Yes, absolutely.

01:31:26.45
Bill
Okay. Did you ever have to go pick somebody up?

01:31:30.49
Mike
Um, no.

01:31:33.55
Bill
Okay.

01:31:34.52
Mike
not No, no.

01:31:34.79
Bill
If

01:31:35.12
Mike
Yeah. Who the hell is going to call me to come get them?

01:31:38.06
Bill
Okay, no, I get it.

01:31:38.55
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:31:39.59
Bill
But I mean, yeah if somebody called you to pick them up, um would you know well enough that you shouldn't go to the police station drunk?

01:31:47.64
Mike
Yeah, I would. Yeah. Yeah.

01:31:50.40
Bill
So ah when in that, really as since as I read this about the friend coming to pick him up. So when I, when I got my DUI, um I was living with ah ah two brothers.

01:31:56.38
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:31:59.82
Bill
They they lived next door door to us when we moved up to Wisconsin and the brothers were living together.

01:32:03.62
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:32:05.18
Bill
The one brother that was the same age as me, but a great younger. And then um the other brothers, three, four years younger us. But we were ah obviously all of age, obviously at the time.

01:32:12.01
Mike
Okay. Mm-hmm.

01:32:15.11
Bill
But I was staying with them because the one brother that was my age, he was doing traveling for work. So he was like never home.

01:32:20.63
Mike
Right.

01:32:20.97
Bill
um So I stayed with them for a couple of months after Kimmy's mom and I split.

01:32:20.98
Mike
Uh-huh.

01:32:25.75
Bill
So when he was gone, I would say I have this whole bedroom, whole bed. So um I got the DUI. And of course, I mean, I can't call my ex-wife, right?

01:32:33.31
Mike
Uh-huh, right.

01:32:33.55
Bill
yeah Well, I could have.

01:32:35.29
Mike
Yeah, waste a phone call.

01:32:35.57
Bill
But um I mean, we had... Yeah, we'd only been separated. Literally, we got separated in April. I got my DUI in in May. Okay, so we probably weren't on good terms at the time anyhow.

01:32:42.82
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:32:45.69
Mike
Right.

01:32:45.91
Bill
um So the only person I could think of calling was my my friend Brian, who's, you know, obviously the brother.

01:32:50.42
Mike
Yeah, your roommate.

01:32:51.84
Bill
Yeah.

01:32:51.97
Mike
Yeah.

01:32:52.60
Bill
And this was, um I was out at a place I worked. They had this whole softball thing, beer, food, the whole thing. I was actually in, was thinking, I was in Oak Creek that day.

01:33:05.30
Bill
It just, that just occurred. Was I in?

01:33:06.42
Mike
Well, thankfully they tolerated it back then.

01:33:08.87
Bill
Yeah. Fuck, was I in Oak Creek? I might have been. The northern part of Oak Creek. Yeah, I drove out of there drunk, but then I went down to the lakefront. Me and this ah other guy worked from work with as his girlfriend, drank a bottle of rum on the beach.

01:33:21.25
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:33:21.77
Bill
So that's where I drove from downtown back out to Waukesha. But anyhow, so... The officer, obviously, you have to took me back and blood test and the whole bit. You know, I mean, I'm back at the police station. He's like, you know, do you have anyone you can call? And I said, I only got one person. and And he said, he goes, whoever you call, he said, you need to make sure they're not drinking tonight.

01:33:39.76
Mike
Right.

01:33:40.75
Bill
I mean, the cop fucking told me that, you know.

01:33:42.29
Mike
Yeah, right.

01:33:43.40
Bill
and And I called it. I mean, Brian was a – he was a partier like I was at that point, but he was young. You know, and he drank.

01:33:48.69
Mike
Sure. Sure.

01:33:49.79
Bill
And, I mean, but it was a Sunday night. You know, and at this point, it's Sunday night at, you know, fucking 1 o'clock in the morning whatever it was.

01:33:54.70
Mike
Right.

01:33:55.90
Bill
So I did. You know, I got him on the phone. I'm like, yeah, I'm like, you haven't been drinking. He's like, nah, he goes, I'm good. So he came picked me up, blah, blah, blah. But, you know, literally, it's like the – I mean, this was fucking 94.

01:34:06.00
Bill
I mean, I, realized, I don't know this day and age.

01:34:06.84
Mike
Yeah.

01:34:08.56
Bill
So again, but this, this dude too, fucking rolled up at the train tracks, fucking rolled up in his car drunk.

01:34:15.98
Mike
Yep.

01:34:18.59
Bill
You deserve to be arrested. You dumb fuck.

01:34:19.85
Mike
Absolutely. I'll come get you. Yep.

01:34:22.91
Bill
Yeah, I come get you. I'm good to go But yeah, I think that's what i one other. Actually, you know, there's one other just quick one, real quick one. This one I literally just came across when I was eating lunch today.

01:34:37.37
Bill
So when was the last ah the last one we talked about with was didn't Miller have some fucking perfume or something like that? Miller. Were we talking about that? The perfume.

01:34:45.28
Mike
Uh, yeah, i think we touched on that. I know I or heard of it Yeah, it was like a month month or so ago.

01:34:48.80
Bill
Yeah, it was, yeah, whatever it was i it was.

01:34:50.28
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:34:51.50
Bill
I brought up something. I can't remember what it was. but um So Miller Lite is now releasing a vinyl record featuring dive bar sounds, okay? doesn't seem like like any big deal, but it's infused, the record is infused with beer.

01:35:06.02
Bill
Fuck it.

01:35:06.42
Mike
Ah.

01:35:08.36
Bill
Like dive bar sounds, but the record is made out of beer or has beer in it.

01:35:11.85
Mike
Sure. Mm-hmm.

01:35:13.07
Bill
And I'm like, this fucking just, it made it made me laugh. So that the songs on there are welcome to the dive and upbeat rhythm built from percussion sounds of pool halls, subtle notes of classic high life, jingle, blah, blah, blah.

01:35:17.12
Mike
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

01:35:27.39
Bill
Regulars remix, a laid back track where a familiar murmur of regulars and clinking high light bottles. Yeah.

01:35:34.43
Bill
Champagne Nights is ambient sound led or an ambient sound led by the signature hits of the champagnes of beers being opened. Last Call Symphony.

01:35:45.76
Mike
ah

01:35:48.20
Bill
ah The sound of vomiting. No, that's what it should say.

01:35:50.09
Mike
Yes. Sound of vomiting and ugly women.

01:35:54.97
Bill
yeah Hey, baby, here I go. Oh,

01:35:59.17
Bill
a low A lo-fi melody featuring the hum of high-life neon signs and closing time bell that feels like your final waltz out of the time bar.

01:36:12.37
Mike
on your way to the train tracks.

01:36:14.99
Bill
Yeah, on your way to the train tracks or, you know, to go to fuck that chick out in the alley that she been eyeballing all night.

01:36:22.31
Mike
Oh, God.

01:36:25.55
Bill
But I'm like, okay. It just, it cracked me up, you know. I didn't even read all the songs. I read the first song. That's why laughing so hard. I didn't read all that before. But, yeah, so anyhow, I mean, how do you, I guess it's, you just dump beer into the mix and make the record, right?

01:36:38.77
Bill
I mean, how do you infuse

01:36:39.37
Mike
Yeah, you know, it's right. Like the first Kiss comic book when they put their blood in the red ink.

01:36:45.95
Bill
Did they really?

01:36:46.85
Mike
Oh, yeah. Made with real Kiss blood.

01:36:47.96
Bill
ah ah is it That's not like something from the from the childhood network that was really true?

01:36:54.05
Mike
No, that was absolutely true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They went to the printing place and they put little vials of their blood, all four of them, into the vat of red ink.

01:37:04.42
Bill
Of course they did.

01:37:05.79
Mike
Of course they did.

01:37:05.83
Bill
hey

01:37:06.45
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:37:06.67
Bill
I don't, I don't remember hearing about that, but that's, that's fucking hilarious. All right. So um we actually did, we did more work than normal. Cause we, we took, what was it? Seven minutes to record those, those little clips.

01:37:18.11
Mike
We did, yes

01:37:19.42
Bill
And that, that's funny. Like what I said, it's going to take, it's going to take me longer to edit out seven minutes of recordings than I've ever spent editing anything in 164 episodes.

01:37:25.83
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:37:28.38
Bill
And still to this day,

01:37:29.81
Mike
Yes.

01:37:30.06
Bill
still to this day I am fucking proud of that. and I know you are too. We don't edit a goddamn thing.

01:37:34.52
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:37:35.64
Bill
Not a thing. Nothing.

01:37:36.60
Mike
Nope.

01:37:37.56
Bill
Oh, can I complain about one more thing real quick as we leave?

01:37:39.91
Mike
Sure.

01:37:40.83
Bill
I'm sorry. um Speaking of other podcasts, I was listening to another podcast. This go back goes back to the little fucking buy me a coffee thing. The podcast I was listening to literally, they were you know saying, oh, thank you for this person and that person and this person.

01:37:53.37
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:37:55.22
Bill
Your donation will help keep this podcast around so that it's available for other people that need help.

01:38:01.91
Mike
Ah.

01:38:02.98
Bill
And I'm like, fuck you.

01:38:05.48
Mike
Yeah.

01:38:06.80
Bill
Motherfuck you.

01:38:08.57
Mike
Big ol' bowl of fuck you.

01:38:10.30
Bill
Oh, my God. And that's, ah again, it's somebody that i I can't even say respect. I enjoy the podcast.

01:38:17.16
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:38:17.23
Bill
I do.

01:38:17.70
Mike
Sure, sure.

01:38:17.71
Bill
It just, it makes it makes me so, it makes me angry. It's like, I don't even know. I mean, when were they, what what's the equivalent? I mean, what is this, a Catholic church we're trying to run here?

01:38:30.72
Mike
and The equivalent is, right, standing on a fucking off-ramp with a cardboard sign.

01:38:31.00
Bill
That's a rip on

01:38:36.42
Bill
Yeah, but I'm just, I don't know. i don't, we, can i can I lump you into this? It's okay.

01:38:41.52
Mike
Absolutely.

01:38:42.71
Bill
Okay. We don't like the fact that people try to try to impress on other people, these listeners, you people out there, that we need your money.

01:38:52.81
Bill
Okay.

01:38:53.18
Mike
Right.

01:38:53.71
Bill
If you don't have the money to run your fucking podcast, turn off your microphones and go the fuck home.

01:38:59.09
Mike
Yeah.

01:39:01.17
Bill
Okay.

01:39:01.46
Mike
Yes.

01:39:02.53
Bill
because the thing of it is, is, but okay, people who listen to us, thank you so much, okay?

01:39:06.89
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:39:07.67
Bill
We're not going to ask for your money. The one guy, Tim, he went out of his fucking way. I don't broadcast this shit anymore about the buy me a coffee.

01:39:14.51
Mike
Right.

01:39:14.67
Bill
It'd probably take me take me more work to take it down and close out the account than it would be just leave it up.

01:39:17.89
Mike
Yeah.

01:39:20.43
Bill
So tim Tim went to the work and donated $25 to us a month ago, and we dedicated this entire month to him.

01:39:20.48
Mike
Sure.

01:39:24.20
Mike
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

01:39:26.53
Bill
Thank you, Tim.

01:39:27.13
Mike
Yes.

01:39:27.58
Bill
We appreciate it, okay?

01:39:27.69
Mike
Yes.

01:39:29.09
Bill
But we didn't ask Tim to do that.

01:39:31.85
Mike
And right, we appreciate it, but you know what? Without that 25 bucks, we would still do this podcast.

01:39:38.53
Bill
Yes, there. Thank you.

01:39:40.76
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:39:40.79
Bill
Yeah, and and you know what? that That money, it went into it went into our business account. It's going to pay for something.

01:39:46.73
Mike
Sure.

01:39:46.90
Bill
I don't know what it's going to pay for, but I'll tell you what it's not going to pay for.

01:39:48.49
Mike
Right. Zencaster.

01:39:51.32
Bill
Yes, yeah, this entire Zencaster month was brought. That's right.

01:39:54.00
Mike
Yes.

01:39:54.04
Bill
it was This month was brought to you by Tim and it left enough money that for us to buy ourselves a real coffee.

01:39:54.83
Mike
Yeah. Yes.

01:39:59.57
Mike
Right.

01:40:01.87
Bill
But yeah, we don't, Tim, thank you again. um But, but we don't need your money to run this podcast.

01:40:04.11
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:40:06.33
Bill
We appreciate that. That's the gesture. We appreciate you went out of your way to do it.

01:40:09.43
Mike
Yes.

01:40:10.25
Bill
That's fucking awesome. That's nice.

01:40:11.57
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:40:12.29
Bill
Somebody giving us a gift, but God damn it. Fuck all you people out there that are telling your listeners that you need their money.

01:40:18.73
Mike
Yeah.

01:40:19.48
Bill
Fuck you.

01:40:20.39
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:40:21.14
Bill
Fuck you.

01:40:22.01
Mike
Yeah.

01:40:23.36
Bill
Oh, anyhow.

01:40:23.78
Mike
We're not goddamn televangelists.

01:40:25.88
Bill
Yeah.

01:40:26.32
Mike
Right.

01:40:26.40
Bill
Yeah.

01:40:26.56
Mike
We need fuel for our private jet. Yeah.

01:40:31.93
Bill
she Jesus, Jesus needs a new car.

01:40:34.23
Mike
Oh, all

01:40:34.60
Bill
Dig deep, man. Dig, dig deep. Jesus needs a new set of wheels.

01:40:39.77
Mike
That's right.

01:40:41.05
Bill
But anyhow, I, I, I almost didn't bring that up and I'm like, I can't fucking help myself. Cause I hate it so much.

01:40:45.20
Mike
Yes.

01:40:46.22
Bill
I fucking hate it so much. And again, it's somebody that, uh, again, it's a podcast that listened to, I don't know.

01:40:51.36
Mike
Sure.

01:40:52.28
Bill
And I don't, I should just not, I mean, I don't know Maybe I should not listen to it. I mean, but it's, but it's good.

01:40:56.06
Mike
Yeah. I mean, if you enjoy the content and whatever, that's great.

01:40:58.91
Bill
I do. Yeah.

01:40:59.72
Mike
But yeah, but yeah, shut the fuck up about that other stuff.

01:41:03.30
Bill
Right.

01:41:03.95
Mike
Yes.

01:41:04.98
Bill
All right. So anyhow, um after it's time for us to shut the fuck up, right? Mike.

01:41:09.04
Mike
Right.

01:41:09.20
Bill
Cause I think, I think we're done. Right.

01:41:11.37
Mike
Yes. Please buy a t-shirt.

01:41:16.14
Bill
like um I'm in North Carolina, man.

01:41:16.48
Mike
yeah

01:41:17.74
Bill
I can't, I can't think I can get home. This podcast will not be brought to you next week unless you donate money. yeah

01:41:24.81
Mike
Bill would be at bottom of a ravine.

01:41:28.05
Bill
Yeah. Well, I guess I live here now.

01:41:29.66
Mike
Right. They didn't support the podcast. I can't get out of this. I can't get out of this hole.

01:41:34.36
Bill
yeah yeah Yeah, from now on, that's what I'm going to do. going to be in some fucking beautiful place out in the middle of the woods. I'm not going to try to guilt people and to give them money so I can get out of the fucking woods.

01:41:43.74
Mike
Right.

01:41:43.80
Bill
No, you know what? Give me money so I don't have to ever leave the woods. How about that?

01:41:46.55
Mike
Yes, there you go.

01:41:48.98
Bill
All right, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

01:41:50.14
Mike
no have

01:41:51.12
Bill
Your turn.

01:41:52.39
Mike
All right. Well, thank you everyone for listening to another episode of sober, not mature. It's all we want from you and that and go out and do something good for somebody else this week.

01:42:03.40
Mike
Be kind, be gentle and don't tell anybody you're doing it. Now, from the bottom of my heart and from the part of my bottom to the depths of my soul, from the beginning of time till the ends of the earth, always and eternally, fuck you.

01:42:21.64
Mike
Now it's time, kids. It's time for you to fuck off. Then keep fucking off. Keep fucking off till you get to a gate with a sign on it saying you cannot fuck off past here. Climb over that gate, dream the impossible dream, and keep fucking off forever.

01:42:38.40
Bill
Nice one from the heart of my bottom. I like that. I think you've used that before once it just real quick.

01:42:40.60
Mike
yeah I have.

01:42:43.24
Bill
I just looked at the time. I fucking hate real time.

01:42:47.15
Mike
a

01:42:47.48
Bill
I don't like it. Okay.

01:42:48.88
Mike
ah hu

01:42:49.49
Bill
Pick your favorite pick, pick your favorite time zone for any, any one particular thing you like. What's your favorite time zone out of the four?

01:42:54.82
Mike
Eastern.

01:42:55.78
Bill
Yep. Just for everything.

01:42:57.25
Mike
Yeah.

01:42:58.30
Bill
OK, I mean, um I maybe I've lived in Central Times over so long. I just I I'm used to it. OK, my work life is structured up in there.

01:43:03.60
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:43:05.67
Bill
So I didn't care when I was at Mountain Time. I got up earlier. Now I get up later and I work. I don't care anything about that. The only time that I I'm a fan of ah when I was a fan of Mountain Time podcast night.

01:43:15.94
Mike
Mm-hmm. Right.

01:43:18.26
Bill
I fucking loved it because, i you know, i say I get done with the podcast. And I mean, like right now, I'd be what? A quarter to seven. I like, fuck, this is, this is fucking lovely.

01:43:25.61
Mike
Right. Mm-hmm.

01:43:29.25
Bill
how I'm not, I'm just fucking around. I'm in real time. I'm in North Carolina. So I'm in fucking real time.

01:43:33.57
Mike
You are

01:43:34.16
Bill
So it is what it is.

01:43:34.50
Mike
It is. It's almost 9 o'clock at night.

01:43:37.25
Bill
know. Fuck.

01:43:38.93
Mike
Mm-hmm.

01:43:39.27
Bill
All right. Anyhow, but, uh, well, we'll talk next week. One way or the other, I think we'll, I love you, brother.

01:43:42.96
Mike
Yeah. I love you too.

01:43:46.53
Bill
I know we'll talk next week and then I'll see you next week, but I'll talk, I'll talk with you next week first.

01:43:47.90
Mike
We will. You will.

01:43:50.33
Bill
Right. All right.

01:43:50.79
Mike
Absolutely.

01:43:52.61
Bill
Bye.

01:43:53.33
Mike
Bye.